Both Germany's and France's intelligence Departments confirmed, as did the CIA, NSA, MI6 Mossad, (whatever the Russian and the Saud Intelligence Agencies are called) that Iraq was developing weapons of mass destruction. Period.
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote: > Well a quick Google search shows both France and Germany as well as me and > most of my friends!!! > > http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jan/22/germany.france > > You seem to think that I am a Democrat for some reason and that I blindly > support them, you should know better after all these years, everybody who > is not blindly supporting the GOP does not mean they support the Democrats > ... that sorta yours or mine attitude is what's wrong with DC!!! > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Which "Plenty of People" do you refer? Please name them, and let's >> review. Most all of the Democrats were all on board..... >> >> Looking back upon it, yes, I agree that it was a mistake. Having said >> that, I understand the logic that caused us to enter into the region, and >> it was a far, far far bigger mistake to withdraw all of our troops two >> years ago, thus creating ISIS and the quagmire that is now Iraq. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Wrong!!! There were plenty of people who were not neocons wanting to go >>> in there!!! You know it was a big mistake, you just don't want to admit it >>> for some reason!!! >>> >>> I won't sink top the level of personal insults as your last paragraph >>> does though!!!! >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I find the comment, "We should have never been there in the first >>>> place" ironic, if not just a bit.....Ignorant. >>>> >>>> We went to Iraq, because there was a belief, by most all American >>>> politicians on both sides of the aisle, as well as our federal intelligence >>>> agencies; and those intelligence agencies of Great Britain, France, >>>> Germany, Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and a host of North African >>>> Nations, that Iraq was attempting to produce weapons of mass destruction. >>>> This was after Iraq, under Saddam Hussein and the Iraqi Baath Party, had >>>> murdered tens of thousands of Iraqis and Iranians with biological weapons. >>>> >>>> After we successfully politically stabilized Iraq, the current >>>> presidential Administration withdrew all American Security forces out of >>>> Iraq, leaving a void in this young, struggling democracy.... >>>> >>>> And your response, is that "We should have never been there in the >>>> first place"? >>>> >>>> Again, your response is either based on ignorance, and/or is idiotic. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> We NEVER should have went in there in the first place!!! >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Cartoon by NetRightDaily.com >>>>>> <http://netrightdaily.com/2014/08/cartoon-stable-iraq/> >>>>>> Who Lost Iraq? >>>>>> >>>>>> By Thomas Sowell <http://freedomsback.com/author/thomas-sowell/> >>>>>> >>>>>> June 9, 2015, 7:05 am >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> After the pro-Western government of China was forced to flee to the >>>>>> island of Taiwan in 1949, when the Communists took over mainland China, >>>>>> bitter recriminations in Washington led to the question: “Who lost >>>>>> China?” >>>>>> China was, of course, never ours to lose, though it might be legitimate >>>>>> to >>>>>> ask if a different American policy toward China could have led to a >>>>>> different outcome. >>>>>> >>>>>> In more recent years, however, Iraq was in fact ours to lose, after >>>>>> U.S. troops vanquished Saddam Hussein’s army and took over the country. >>>>>> Today, we seem to be in the process of losing Iraq, if not to ISIS, then >>>>>> to >>>>>> Iran, whose troops are in Iraq fighting ISIS. >>>>>> >>>>>> While mistakes were made by both the Bush administration and the >>>>>> Obama administration, those mistakes were of different kinds and of >>>>>> different magnitudes in their consequences, though both sets of mistakes >>>>>> are worth thinking about, so that so much tragic waste of blood and >>>>>> treasure does not happen again. >>>>>> >>>>>> Whether it was a mistake to invade Iraq in the first place is >>>>>> something that will no doubt be debated by historians and others for >>>>>> years >>>>>> to come. But, despite things that could have been done differently in >>>>>> Iraq >>>>>> during the Bush administration, in the end President Bush listened to his >>>>>> generals and launched the military “surge” that crushed the terrorist >>>>>> insurgents and made Iraq a viable country. >>>>>> >>>>>> The most solid confirmations of the military success in Iraq were the >>>>>> intercepted messages from Al Qaeda operatives in Iraq to their leaders in >>>>>> Pakistan that there was no point sending more insurgents, because they >>>>>> now >>>>>> had no chance of prevailing against American forces. This was the >>>>>> situation >>>>>> that Barack Obama inherited — and lost. >>>>>> >>>>>> Going back to square one, what lessons might we learn from the whole >>>>>> experience of the Iraq war? If nothing else, we should never again >>>>>> imagine >>>>>> that we can engage in “nation-building” in the sweeping sense that term >>>>>> acquired in Iraq — least of all building a democratic Arab nation in a >>>>>> region of the world that has never had such a thing in a history that >>>>>> goes >>>>>> back thousands of years. >>>>>> >>>>>> Human beings are not inert building blocks, and democracy has >>>>>> prerequisites that Western nations took centuries to develop. Perhaps the >>>>>> reshaping of German society and Japanese society under American >>>>>> occupation >>>>>> after World War II made such a project seem doable in Iraq. >>>>>> >>>>>> Had the Bush administration pulled it off, such an achievement in the >>>>>> Middle East could have been a magnificent gift to the entire world, >>>>>> bringing peace to a region that has been the spearhead of war and >>>>>> international terrorism. >>>>>> >>>>>> Germany and Japan had been transformed from belligerent military >>>>>> powers threatening world peace for more than half a century to two of the >>>>>> most pacifist nations on earth, in both cases after years of American >>>>>> occupation reshaped these societies. Why not Iraq? >>>>>> >>>>>> First of all, Germany and Japan were already nations before the >>>>>> American occupation. There was no “nation-building” to do. But Iraq was a >>>>>> collection of bitter rivals — Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds, for example — >>>>>> who >>>>>> had never resolved their differences to form a nation, but were instead >>>>>> held together only by an iron dictatorship, as Yugoslavia once was. >>>>>> >>>>>> Replacing German and Japanese dictatorships with democracy after >>>>>> World War II was a challenge. 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