On 05/19/2014 10:58 AM, Anthony Mallia wrote:
Marc,
If there is something good out there it can be the start.
Does anyone know about
http://www.w3.org/wiki/HCLS/POMROntology#A_Problem-Oriented_Medical_Record_Ontology
? it seems to be aligned to the need.
By looking at the wiki history
https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?title=HCLS/POMROntology&action=history
I would guess that it was Chimezie Ogbuji (copied). It would be great
to have his input on this also. He developed the ontology that was used
for some work at the Cleveland Clinic.
David
Tony
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*Subject:* RE: Propose an HL7 work group on RDF for Semantic
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Dear Anthony
Thanks a lot for this feedback.
We have been interested to join this effort of drafting FHIR ontology
but we missed probably the momentum.
One of the ideas we had for this effort was to suggest re-use existing
ontology and not recreate a specific ontology.
Some good candidate are like the ScheMed
(https://github.com/twamarc/ScheMed) ontology we were working on in
collaboration with schema.org (http://schema.org <http://schema.org/>&
http://blog.schema.org <http://blog.schema.org/> &
http://schema.org/MedicalEntity) .
Hope we will have opportunity and space to discuss this in a specific
working group.
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Subject: RE: Propose an HL7 work group on RDF for Semantic
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Marc,
There is not a location so far for posting any material – it is at an
early stage.
Tony Mallia
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Dear Anthony,
Do you know where we can find documentation/resources about the ongoing
work FHIR ontology ?
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Date: 15/05/2014 22:50
Subject: RE: Propose an HL7 work group on RDF for Semantic
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Peter,
Good to see you at the HL7 meeting.
There seem to be three approaches being worked in RDF
1. The first is expressing the FHIR payload in RDF. The ontology
is therefore the FHIR ontology.. The discussion at HL7 was about making
another representation of the payload in RDF.
2. The second (which I have been working on) has a small sample in
Protégé is to look at the ontologies of FHIR and Terminologies –
particularly SNOMED CT and express them together in the same language –
OWL so that the conflicts can be resolved. The binding from objects in
FHIR to terms is fundamentally different from the FHIR payload and
therefore more disruptive. In this approach, a higher ontology is
critical – the RIM was a start but has quite a lot missing to form a
good higher ontology and has nothing to do with healthcare (The RIM did
not either). It looks as if you are going in this direction as well.
3. The third which comes from the terminology side is to express
post-coordinated terms as a code OWL expression in a FHIR message. This
is a small scope but seems to have some importance to resolving the
terminology issues.
These three approaches do not overlap or conflict as far as I can see.
Maybe there are two projects one which is aligned to represent FHIR and
one which looks at the broader issue of Healthcare Ontology as you have
described. I don’t think the third deserves a project.
Tony Mallia
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Subject:*Re: Propose an HL7 work group on RDF for Semantic
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We are in fact doing just that at Kaiser on a small experimental scale.
We are working with Oxford and RDFox and creating an HL7 "RIM Like
model". It is not the full RIM but is Entities in Roles Participating
in Acts.
I think it would be a mistake to try to put the whole RIM into RDF.
Also I'm not a fan of a de novo RDF model that is not based on
Entities in Roles Participating in Acts, It would then just be an
arbitrary other model. You could put FIHR to RDF but I see little
reason for it. Since RDF is wide open (almost like saying lets do
something in XML) you really have to think about what the model is based
on before you start. You've only got V2 (no good for RDF) RIM (much too
big for RDF) and FIHR (not much advantage to RDF for this).
With our "RIM like" model based on Entities in Roles that Participate in
Acts, we expect to be able to run useful safety and outcome reports.
Also we use SNOMED so the ontology of SNOMED will be tightly coupled
to our model, but our model will not be an extension of the SNOMED model.
I'd be disappointed to see HL7 create a brand new model in RDF that is
not based on Entities in Roles Participating in Acts.
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Date: 05/13/2014 02:01 PM
Subject: Re: Propose an HL7 work group on RDF for Semantic
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David,
I'm excited about the prospect, but I think the work group may be a bit
too broad without further refinement. I'd like to see a charter
articulated with a more specific focus, and identifying milestones that
deliver concrete outcomes (specifications, implementations, reports)
around targeted areas of urgent need.
More importantly, I'd like to know what the uptake will be (e.g. who
will implement this), and how plans on using it.
Cheers,
m.
Michel Dumontier
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University
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On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 7:54 AM, David Booth <da...@dbooth.org
<mailto:da...@dbooth.org>> wrote:
I was at the HL7 meetings last week, and the idea arose of proposing an
HL7 work group on RDF for Semantic Interoperability. I took the
initiative to draft a possible charter. I meant to send it out earlier
in case folks would like to discuss the idea on our 11:00am Eastern HCLS
call today. Attached is what I've drafted. I'll join the call and see
if anyone wants to discuss it. Sorry for the late notice.
Zakim (W3C teleconference bridge).
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Thanks,
David
