I would think Mick Jagger's tongue is definetely part of the Rolling Stones :).
But seriously... When referring to being part of a dataset It feels to me like you're saying "Rolling Stones partOf Wikipedia:British_Rock_Lemma" Or, alternatively: head structure partOf body; head structure partOf SNOMED CT. This is mixing up instance properties and class properties. Or am I missing something? Thanks for allowing me to lurk on many great and instructive conversations! Ronald -----Original Message----- From: Pat Hayes [mailto:pha...@ihmc.us] Sent: donderdag 11 december 2014 08:32 To: Vladimir Mironov Cc: snachimu...@mmm.com; Michel Dumontier; w3c semweb hcls Subject: Re: linking a symbol with a dataset On Dec 11, 2014, at 12:11 AM, Vladimir Mironov <vladimir.n.miro...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I'm not quite sure that any of the constituents of a triple is a member of > the data set (the triple certainly is). Neither the triples nor their components are *members* of the dataset. They might be in some sense 'part of' or 'included in' the dataset, but they are not members of the actual dataset, which is defined normatively to be a set of named RDF graphs. > Let me give a parable. "Mick Jagger is part of the Rolling Stones. Mick's > thumb is part of Mick Jagger." Is Mick's thumb part of the Rolling Stones? Two different senses of "part", right? Unless one is a mereologist, of course, who would say that the answer was clearly yes. Pat > > Cheers > > On 9 December 2014 at 23:36, <snachimu...@mmm.com> wrote: > We use "has member" to relate arbitrary groups and their members. Our > implementation is for binary relationships in a relational database, and so > this should work for RDF too. > > Senthil. > > <Mail Attachment.gif> > Senthil K. Nachimuthu, MD, PhD | Medical Informaticist 3M Health > Information Systems, Inc. > 575 W Murray Blvd, Murray, UT 84123, USA > Office: +1 801 265 4636 > snachimu...@mmm.com | www.3mtcs.com > > > > > From: Vladimir Mironov <vladimir.n.miro...@gmail.com> > To: Michel Dumontier <michel.dumont...@gmail.com> > Cc: w3c semweb hcls <public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org> > Date: 12/09/2014 03:20 PM > Subject: Re: linking a symbol with a dataset > > > > Hi Michel, > > as everybody knows, atomic means 'indivisible'. In the world of Nature, of > course, there is nothing atomic. > However, in the world of RDF subject, predicate, and object are atomic - > there are no other concepts these three could be subdivided into. > I haven't seen such a property so far in vocabularies, I proposed it because > you guys could not find anything suitable for the task. > I feel it serves the purpose and nothing may prevent you from introducing a > new property in want of appropriate ones. This one should be, of course, a > subProperty of 'partOf'. > > Cheers > > On 9 December 2014 at 19:36, Michel Dumontier <michel.dumont...@gmail.com> > wrote: > Hi Vladimir, > Can you elaborate with a definition for 'isAtomicPartOf'? Is this > already defined in a vocabulary? > > m. > Michel Dumontier > Associate Professor of Medicine (Biomedical Informatics), Stanford > University Chair, W3C Semantic Web for Health Care and the Life > Sciences Interest Group http://dumontierlab.com > > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:33 AM, Vladimir Mironov > <vladimir.n.miro...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > how about 'isAtomicPartOf'? > > > > Vladimir > > > > On 8 December 2014 at 18:04, Michel Dumontier > > <michel.dumont...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> Hi all, > >> On the call today we discussed the issue [1] of linking a symbol > >> in a triple (e.g. a subject, a predicate, *or* an object) to a dataset. > >> The use case for this is twofold : to provide a direct link between > >> data items and their datasets in a Linked Data manner, and to > >> survey the use of data items across datasets. While we agreed that > >> using a relation such as dc:isPartOf is fairly natural to link the > >> triple itself to the dataset, it is much less clear for linking the > >> components to the dataset. In Bio2RDF we used void:inDataset, but > >> the domain of this relation is a foaf:Document, so it muddies the > >> semantics by entailing a possible disjoint type with whatever the > >> subject has been typed with (e.g. protein, disease, etc). > >> > >> We discussed the suitability of existing vocabularies, but none, to > >> our knowledge, clearly fit the situation. For instance, can > >> dc:isPartOf (http://purl.org/dc/terms/isPartOf) be used as a > >> logical partition of the dataset with the data item? or is SIO's > >> refers to > >> (http://semanticscience.org/resource/refers-to) potential suitable, > >> if not somewhat vague? > >> > >> We welcome your thoughts on the matter. Do you know of a suitable > >> relation? Should we consider some new relation such as utilizes / > >> is-utilized-in or is-data-item-in / has-data-item? > >> > >> Cheers! > >> > >> m. > >> > >> [1] https://github.com/joejimbo/HCLSDatasetDescriptions/issues/90 > >> > >> Michel Dumontier > >> Associate Professor of Medicine (Biomedical Informatics), Stanford > >> University Chair, W3C Semantic Web for Health Care and the Life > >> Sciences Interest Group http://dumontierlab.com > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ IHMC (850)434 8903 home 40 South Alcaniz St. (850)202 4416 office Pensacola (850)202 4440 fax FL 32502 (850)291 0667 mobile (preferred) pha...@ihmc.us http://www.ihmc.us/users/phayes ________________________________ AMC Disclaimer : http://www.amc.nl/disclaimer ________________________________
