On 25 Jan 2011, at 10:30, Felix Frank <felix.fr...@alumni.tu-berlin.de> wrote:

> On 01/24/2011 09:39 PM, R.I.Pienaar wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> On Jan 24, 2011, at 11:17 AM, R.I.Pienaar wrote:
>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> If we don't want --manual you could go with --watch as that's
>>>>> really
>>>>> what I'm doing - watching puppet run. :)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I like --watch too
>>> 
>>> I hope this is a joke. I really think this name is a worse fit than
>>> "--test".
>> 
>> I run --test when I want to log into a machine and watch it do a run
>> in a slightly more verbose and debug/observation friendly manner. 
>> 'watch' seems to describe this use case well, it doesnt imply that no
>> changes will be made for example.  
>> 
>> I'd want to run --test when I want it to imply what --test does today
>> but also --noop which is what most newcomers on irc also seem to think.
>> The word 'test' seems to imply a dry run
> 
> I was under the impression that there was consensus that the semantics
> of --test should not be changed, ever, in order not to break scripts out
> there in the wild.
> Deprecating and loosing --test altogether seems to be less of a problem.


I wasn't suggesting a change merely stating the expectation the word test 
creates. 


> 
> I concur with Patrick in that puppetd --watch is about as misleading as
> --test itself. I'd expect such an invocation to allow me to monitor the
> regular proceedings of the background agent. It doesn't appear to imply
> a forced ad hoc action, much less the cache semantics.
> 
> I still favor --manual.
> 
> Regards,
> Felix
> 
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