The San Marcos uses Riv's current "expanded frame" concept, so the seattube 
number is significantly smaller than the toptube. When shopping bikes like 
this and the Sam Hillborne, the trick is to ignore the claimed size of the 
frame and focus on how long the toptube is. The 47cm San Marcos has a 53.5 
toptube, which I think would work for your friend with some kind of 
sweptback bar. It's a really nice frame at a really good price.

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Sunday, October 26, 2014 8:01:05 AM UTC-7, Lesli Larson wrote:

> Thanks.  These are great options and confirmed my suspicions that I should 
> be watching the used market as well.  I always want to buy new but ended up 
> believing a better value and better product can be sourced from the past, 
> so to speak.
>
> I would love to find a 47cm or 50 cm Riv frame - especially an Atlantis - 
> that could be build up by my local shop, Blue Heron Bicycles.
>
> Curious to know how folks feel about the San Marcos versus the used Riv 
> option.  I'm taken aback a bit about the long top tube on even the smaller 
> frames.
>
> Regards,
>
> LL
>
> On Saturday, October 25, 2014 11:19:04 PM UTC-4, Lesli Larson wrote:
>>
>> I'm helping a friend source a new (or possibly) used bike to replicate my 
>> own Riv custom which has a 50cm seat tube and a 50 cm top tube.  My bike, 
>> originally a rando rig, is now set up with porteur bars, inverse levers, 
>> wider brooks saddle, honjos and 38c grand bois tires.  It's such a fun bike 
>> to ride.  In my friends words, the bike changed her life, or at least, 
>> attitude about bike fit and comfort.  My friend and I are both 5'3 and ride 
>> bikes in the 48cm to 50 cm range.
>>
>> I've been shopping around for a stock 650b frame for her that could be 
>> built up into an upright, go fast, weekender bike.  We're in the Surly/Soma 
>> budget when it comes to the frame.  Sadly, most of these bikes seems to be 
>> made for 700c wheels or have extra long top tubes (even for bikes that are 
>> 47cm).  
>>
>> Send me your frame suggestions.  Right now, our target is the Soma San 
>> Marcos which I believe takes 650b in smaller sizes.   We're working with a 
>> terrific shop in Brooklyn.  I just wanted to solicit the group for any 
>> extra knowledge of stock frames that we might also want to evaluate.     
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Lesli Larson
>> Eugene, Oregon
>>
>

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