This is among the most enjoyable, interesting and useful threads I've read on RBWOB. Thanks to Leah and all those who she has motivated to contribute. Following Joe's and Steve's responses to the idea that many of us are obsessive/compulsive about our Riv bikes, I plead guilty. And I hope my sentence is to be force-fed even more information, data, videos, etc. My wife thinks I spend more time thinking about riding my Rivs than actually riding them She may be correct. As the same time, Thinking about cycling gives me almost as much, if not as much pleasure, as riding. It allows me to fill more of my day pleasurably than I could if I rode and did not obsess about it.
Steve Cole Arlington, VA On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 5:43:56 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote: > > I have wanted to start this thread for weeks. Fearing controversy, not > desiring to start fights, and worried that staff at Riv will read this, I > never mustered up the guts. But the long wheelbase bike topic has come up > in several threads now, and maybe we should just have the discussion. > People are wanting to buy these bikes, and since most don’t live near a > dealer, we need to help each other out regarding bike fit. > > I got a new Clem L (unless you have been living under a ROCK you know this > since it’s all I talk about. Go ahead, I dare you to ask me about the color > of paint that it has. 😂) and it’s nothing like the other Clems I’ve known > and loved. Why? Because it has an even longer wheelbase than than its > long-wheelbase predecessors. > > Recently, Rivendell pointed us to an Ask Me Anything with Grant on Reddit. > It was a wall of text and I read it. Folks asked their most pressing > questions and Grant graciously answered them. Over and over and over again > long wheelbase bikes were brought up, and Grant offered his opinion. Longer > bikes are more stable, Cadillac-like, comfortable, etc. The opposite of > twitchy, short-wheelbase bikes. We know this and most of us will accept it. > > BUT...what I am dying to know is this: how long can you go before it is no > longer an improvement? > > Example: My 52 Clementine was much more comfortable than my 55 Betty Foy. > Like it was tailor-made for me alone. The Betz was totally fine, no knocks > against it, but the Clementine was just more plush. So, I agree with Grant > - longer was better. > > The problem came with my Clem L, the 2019 version that had had its > geometry changed. I didn’t know I was getting a different bike. I was > surprised when I had to buy (several) different stems and a new long > wheelbase bar for my Saris rack. It’s been a lot of adjustment, and I’ve > been frustrated. If I understand correctly, several Rivendell models have > been lengthened as of late. > > The burning question I have: Can anyone tell us if the new longer bikes > are better or worse than the previous (also long) versions? We know the > theory, what of the reality? I’m thinking especially of the Clems, as they > were already SO long. But I think Atlantis people will also have something > to say... > > I wanted to have this discussion because I genuinely want to know how the > newest long bikes are working out for folks. But I also want to let others > know that there are some things to consider if you get one of these new > iterations. Will a 52 Clem fit on public transport? I think no. Will it fit > on your vehicle hitch bike rack? Mine won’t. Will it be difficult for you > to park your long bike in a public rack? Can you back your bike out of your > garage/shed easily at this new length? What if you are right between sizes? > Rivendell would have you go up, I’m not sure I wouldn’t have done better on > the next size down. > > Of course we can have this discussion and keep it kind, can’t we, Friends. > It would be so horrible if Rivendell staff read this and saw a lot of > inflammatory remarks. I think we’re allowed to have a decent and > informative chat, and undoubtedly some people will find it helpful. Plus, > maybe Rivendell will find it useful. If the extra long bikes aren’t meeting > expectations, maybe there will be changes to future bikes. > > I did put 9 miles riding up a mountain with groceries in my front basket > on the new Clem L, so I’m working our relationship! > Leah > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ec091a7a-09b5-4b94-bdeb-886f1fb01bea%40googlegroups.com.
