On Friday July 3 2015 11:21 am, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Larry Linder > > <larry.lin...@micro-controls.com> wrote: > > Dear Sir: > > Loaded SL 7.2 for third time and finally got it to where we can run it. > > I hate to complain but doe anyone check their work anymore. > > Or just compile it without errors and shove it out the door. > > > > There a several major things missing or wrong: > > 1. It groans and complains about size of /boot - its set to 101 Meg. > > Reloaded 7.2 again and there does not seem to be way away to change size > > of /boot partition. I periodically nags at you because there is only 25K > > left. Now way to fix problem or to shut of "NAG" function. > > This is not SL, this is upstream at Red Hat Enterprise Linux. There's > a great deal to dislike about the current, highly graphical anaconda. > The change from a flow chart, one step at a time, ncurses based, > checklist installer of much older versions of Red Hat to the newer, > bulky, graphical toolkits came with inconsistent layout, confusing > options, confusing dependencies that used to be automatically handled > as blockers and dealt with before proceeding in the ncurses, text > based tools. > > It looks to me,, like in this case, you need to custom partition the > disk. No idea why "/boot" is so small, but can you reduce the size of > "/" and then expand "/boot"? The OS is installed on a 200 Meg Disk and nothing else is on the disk. Removed all the install partations and still could not change any partation size. It just does not work.
> Unfortunately, each layer of anaconda installer on top of undelying > tools like parted for disk management, yum for package selection, and > NetworkManager has injected its own layer of interface on top of > *another* interface, on top of the actual configuration commands and > tools. And the results are predictable: edge cases result form > assumptions that were made, and which break down in practice. The size > of "/boot" is one of those. > > > 2. Could not find a way to set up groups or add new users. > > Had to go back to hand edit of passwd and groups to make it happen. No > > way to assign user id numbers. > > What? What happened to "useradd" and "luseradd", "groupadd" and "lgroupadd" > ? As root they are no where to be found which I thought was pretty strange. > > > 3. Could not find a utility to set up Internet connection - When you > > used a KDE or Gnome the Mac address of the router was different. !!!! We > > have not been able to connect it to Network. > > Yeah, NetworkManager is not my friend. You might benefit from the > > lightweight 'nmcli'. I'm fairly unhappy about NetworkManager: Networking setup is pretty simple and who ever ginned this up apparantly does not know it. > > 4. Default monitor was set to a pixel size you need a microscope to make > > out the text. If you used the Gnome it said monitor was IBM 12" France. > > KDE said monitor was IBM 12" Brazil. No other options were available. > > Maybe go back and hand edit Xterm stuff. A major step back by 20 years. > > Ouch. You're on a laptop? No we have everything from 17 " - 21" CRT's and LCD's from 17' to 34" we don't use anything but CRT's in the shop because a small piece of metal hits it and its lights out. > > 5. With out com and a way to make display readable it becomes useless to > > run word processor, spread sheet, or anything. Can't optimize width or > > set width, You can go to full screen and the result is the same. > > There no way to set up terminal for other colors or text. > > Borders of GNOME are same color as other windows so you have to look > > twice to see which is which. List of dislikes goes on and on. > > Gnome is not my friend. I've not tried porting 'vtwm' to SL 7 or RHEL > 7, but my tools for putting it on SL 6 and RHEL 6 are available at > https://github.com/nkadel/vtwm-5.5.x-srpm. > > > 6. We (everyone in the shop) unanimously hates the GENOME desk top. > > There does not appear to be able to select an alternate. > > See above. > > > 7. Could not find a way to turn off high pitched sound when you tried to > > step back too far on a line. This part of "NAG" function and can't turn > > it off. > > > > 8. Tried to play a CD - old Marty Robins and it skipped tracks and got > > hung up and could not X it out. Had to Reboot. There is something > > basically wrong with the OS if you can't kill an application. Disk plays > > fine in my Dodge truck and does not have any visible defects. DVD writer > > is good as we were able to make a dual layer DVD for 7.2 with it using SL > > 5.11. > > > > 9. Gave up on SL 7.2 > > > > Notes: > > The default set up was like a quadriplegic Windows 7. We use one on our > > UPS account to ship stuff. Everyone who uses it hates it. Another > > disaster story. > > > > We have SL 5.11 deployed in the shop and support about 50 systems. I > > would not like to tell the boss that we had to trash 45 to 50 perfectly > > good monitors and give up our ability to add users, groups and network > > extensions etc. > > example: > > We have a number systems in shop and one by Mill and Lathe so there are > > no paper prints. Guys can review prints on line and set up CNC stuff on > > line. Saves a lot of time. > > Consider testing SL 6, which has _not_ had these problems for me. > > > The evaluation box is a dual core AMD, 16 Gig of Ram, 4 disks - totaling > > 2 TB. and a GForce Video card, all pretty current stuff and a working > > 5.11 system. We will reload SL5.11 on to test box and start looking for > > another Linux distribution that has not been mangled by Ex Microsoft > > employees, working at RH. > > > > Due to obtuse problems we quit evaluation and will not deploy SL 7 - > > > > The best solution is to drop back and evaluate SL 6.5 and see if we can > > live with it. We have a SL 6.2 used on special project. > > > > We need to run spice, a Circuit layout editor, many spread sheets and a > > number of in house programs to manage inventory, component ordering, > > e-mail, VMWare to run several cad packages and a stress analysis > > program. Some employees run 12 desktops and two monitors. So fare we > > have not see a limitation for 5.11 but have had to install a number of > > newer libs to accommodate new SW. > > > > > > Larry Linder