me I acquaint them with the Spanish explorers , You have a mix of everything missionaries, soldiers, camp followers etc, if you had to fight you fought if there was gold you sent the missionaries to peacefully convert and get it .If not then come the soldiers...On the sgu finale I especially like the brothers portrayal when he goes to confront the Asian gal. And the fear, and relief on her face . when she walks away even in space we threaten just by being in the proximity.
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Mr. Worf <hellomahog...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I would say going to battle is dire circumstances. I think that they wrote > it out of the script because it changed the look of the ship too much. It > also slowed down the pacing of the show. > > I think that they added families to the mix to add subplots to the show. It > did produce a few episodes. > > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Keith Johnson > <keithbjohn...@comcast.net>wrote: > >> >> >> They only separated the saucer section under dire circumstances. In >> ninety-nine percent of all battles, the ship was intact, and the wives and >> children of those officers were in mortal danger. When the Borg attacked >> Earth, Riker ordered Wesley to fly into the Cube at warp speed. He didn't >> separate the saucer or give the "Abandon ship!" order. Indeed in the first >> meeting with the Borg, eighteen members of the crew were killed. I always >> wondered if any were children. When they went to meet the Romulans for the >> first time, Picard was rightfully afraid they'd be going into battle (as >> Kirk did decades before). He didn't separate the ship. In two time-travel >> related shows--the one where Picard met his alternate future self, and the >> one where the ship was stuck in a temporal loop, destroyed over and over--no >> saucer separation. Ship destroyed, all hands lost, kids included. When the >> Starship Yamoto was encountered, it blew up due to a alien computer program >> rewriting its systems. All hands lost, no survivors. >> >> >> >> To be consistent with history, the children and non-service spouses of a >> starship would at best be stationed at a base, or back on some kind of >> support ships during battle. But putting them on starships that are then >> purposefully sent into battles, full-fledged wars, and to investigate all >> kinds of danger? Like I said, the single most illogical plot device in all >> of Trek history. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mr. Worf" <hellomahog...@gmail.com> >> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 12:01:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada >> Eastern >> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific >> organization >> >> >> >> Well, they could separate the saucer section remember? That was only used >> a couple of times though. If you are going toe to toe with a Romulan ship I >> would want my wife and kids away from the area. >> >> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Keith Johnson <keithbjohn...@comcast.net >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Right, but the key word is "support". Other than some people who might >>> take food or supplies to the battlefield, those people were in the rear. >>> The camp followers/workers is an old concept, good point. But putting >>> families on the starships themselves is akin to having those support >>> personnel riding in the chariots, working on the catapults, and standing >>> side-by-side with the spear bearers. There's nowhere to *go* when you're on >>> a starship being attacked by the Borg. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mr. Worf" <hellomahog...@gmail.com> >>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:52:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada >>> Eastern >>> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific >>> organization >>> >>> >>> >>> You know I was thinking about this, and realized that the Romans >>> brought their families along with them on battles. They were part of the >>> support system that prepared food and took care of the animals. >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Keith Johnson < >>> keithbjohn...@comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The families on starships was the single worst idea in Trek history. >>>> It really doesn't speak to whether Starfleet is military though. The >>>> Enterprise and otehr starshps were sent to face everything from the Borg to >>>> the return of the Romulans. They were always being put at the forefront of >>>> battle, and to defend the Federation against dangers. That's a military >>>> outfit in my mind. no matter the idea of families on board ships. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "George Arterberry" <brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com> >>>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:25:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >>>> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific >>>> organization >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> How many warships have famalies as its crew? I know as the Dominion >>>> War intensified that practice was abandoned . >>>> >>>> I think as Starfleet moved outward the "harshness" of space >>>> (Klingons,Orion Syndicate, Romulans) replaced Earth's wide -eyed view of >>>> joing the space faring worlds. but seems to me in regards to Starlfeet it s >>>> the tail wagging the dog. Rarely did we see Federation leadership on any >>>> level. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* Keith Johnson <keithbjohn...@comcast.net> >>>> *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >>>> *Sent:* Tue, December 15, 2009 1:29:57 PM >>>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific >>>> organization >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I think it's clearly a military organization with major scientific, >>>> colonization, and exploratory mandates. It's completely organized in a >>>> militaristic structure, from what we see, as far back as Archer's time. The >>>> head of Starfleet is a military person, people go to a military academy, >>>> everyone who serves is ranked, and the major vessels are vessels of >>>> war--er, >>>> defense. We often see Starfleet vessels doing scientific work, even the >>>> flagship. But even many of their science vessels are military in nature. >>>> >>>> There was an ep of TNG in which Picard and Riker were set as opponents >>>> in war games. The one where that goofy-looking dude from a race of master >>>> strategists was running the whole thing. In that show, Picard protested the >>>> games, saying "Starfeet is an exploratory body". Hearing him say that >>>> while standing on the bridge of what's basically a naval vessel in space >>>> was >>>> funny to me. Even in the movie "The Wrath of Khan", Kirk's son speask of >>>> Starfleet as military, which was why he feared giving them Genesis. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I think that some have stressed the admittedly advanced >>>> scientific/explorat ory aspects of Starfleet, but I'd still say it's >>>> military. And sometimes that scientific/explorat ory aspect is to act as >>>> transport/support for civilians engaged in those endeavors. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "George Arterberry" <brotherfromhoward@ yahoo.com> >>>> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:29:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada >>>> Eastern >>>> Subject: [scifinoir2] Is Starfleet a military or scientific organization >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thoughts? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! >>> Mahogany at: >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! >> Mahogany at: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! > Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ > > >
