Re: [313] Adult Trans Am Thoughts

2002-06-22 Thread gord
> It was a lot of fun to see them live, and hear some new material. Does
> anyone know what song has really fast vocals and every verse end with
> "Stop"? That was a really nice track, and I didn't recognize it. Their
music

I believe you're talking about "Don't You Stop".  It's on the Misinterpreted
12"

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Re: [313] new Drexciya LP!

2002-06-20 Thread gord

jt,

The 12" is definitely more pounding than a lot of recent Drexciyan 
releases.  That said, it's still a bit on the experimental tip.  Two of 
the tracks are pounding techno grooves: one with a twisted sort of 
Detroit feel (offkey synth stabs) and the other with harsh spacy sounds 
layered in.  The third has more of an electrobass feel, but still 
retains that Drexciyan deepness (probably my favorite of the 3 tracks).


Nothing really "earcatching" with any of the tracks, but that's pretty 
much Drexciya's style of late (as you say, different and less direct).  
I passed on the last Tresor release as well but feel that this one is a 
bit better (although definitely not Drex's best work).


g

On Thursday, June 20, 2002, at 12:55  PM, J. T. wrote:

aghh you guys are giving such conflicting opinions i guess i'll just 
wait and hear for myself!


raoul! wutsup! you got me anxious to hear it but then i dont think 
they're getting "better & better" like you..not exactly worse, but 
different and less direct..


and alex! wutsup! you got me lowering my expectations, but then you are 
mentioning the last tresor stuff...which i thought was the absolute 
weakest! no basslines either, except for on about 3 tracks..(huh?) 
really meandering kinda nowhere stuff..


and then there's arne who's comparing it to drexciya 3 one of my 
favorites!


i guess with these 3 crazily different opinions, it must be a classic!

jt


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nah, no basslines JT.

I only have the 12", but I've listened to it a few times and it's 
nothing

to write home about.
The 12" and LP on Tresor are head and shoulders above this one, 
although

I've not heard the full LP
To be honest, I was a bit disappointed when I got it...

3 rhythm tracks really, no melody or bassline, at least one of which is
abstract kind of electronica stuff.
It's kind of closer to the Translusion thing than to the Drexciya 
thing on

tresor..




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hey tom can you offer up a little more info, or anybody else who's got 
it?

koert?
what other drex project might it compare with? if it's not too hot i'm
guessing it's continuing like that last album? (i hope there are 
basslines

this time...)
jt

> > ...There's also a 12", 'Drexcyen R.E.S.T. Principle', too.
>
>Which I bought last week and is pretty average IMHO...
>
>Cheers,
>
>Tom
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Re: [313] Concert last night: ADULT.

2002-06-14 Thread gord
Perhaps they should've played Silent Property to make the point a bit 
stronger?


Anyways, I think a lot of their attitude stems from disgust about the 
whole electroclash hype.  Here's the article about it: 
http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_06.13.02/thebeat/adult.html


I guess I can understand that they're afraid of a backlash against all 
artists painted with the electroclash marketing brush (though 
"electroclash sucks" just doesn't have a good ring to it), and that a 
number of artists are jumping on the bandwagon before they've developed 
their own sound (or can even do a live show), but I think the people who 
were pushing this sound before it became popular will continue to have a 
following even after everything plays out.


Looking forward to hearing them play in TO tonight...
g

On Friday, June 14, 2002, at 03:56  PM, armin holzgethan wrote:


subtle irony, i suspect

[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:


I was there.
The only thing that stood out to me, is before ADULT. played "hand to
phone" Nicola said something like "this is an old one from awhile 
back, a

few of you might know this one"
Are they so "popular" now that all their fans are THAT new??
Dunno just thought that was weird.
Their set was great though. Magas also rocked. Great schizophrenic 
dancing,

that man. : )
Both of them could have played much longer, imho.
I am definetly happy I came out, despite rumors that the redwings chaos
would get in my way.

:)
-j


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last night: ADULT.

AM



Last night, in Saint Andrew's in Detroit, Adult. performed while the
Redwings took the Cup. The audience was pretty into it, despite all the
hoopla outside in
downstairs in the bar.

Was anyone else there? I am curious to hear your impressions. Sorry if 
this

is slightly off-topic.

Magas played before Adult. Before Magas, this tall skinny guy in a 
blazer
spun records. He looked kind of like the late Ian Curtis. I am also 
curious
if anyone knows who he is. He played some good stuff, but he wasn't on 
the

bill.

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Re: [313] Italo disco top fives anyone?

2002-06-12 Thread gord

On Wednesday, June 12, 2002, at 04:46  AM, Rc wrote:


virtually anything by simonetti (especially capricorn stuff)


I'm still hunting for good Simonetti.  I have Sanremo Dance and it's 
really bad (although maybe it's one of those albums that will grow on 
you over time).



etc. there are so many of thesethey get so little recognition also,
considering the influence they had on the development of house and 
techno


Influence is an understatement... so many of the tracks have been 
outright copied by some house and techno artists due to the fact that 
they aren't very well known (and weren't released) in North America.



problem is, you have to search through a lot of cheesy krap to find some
gold


Couldn't agree with you more on that one.  Although, the line one draws 
between good and cheesy tends to shift a bit the more Italo you listen 
to...  many people have strayed too far down that path and never come 
back again. ;)


Anyways, my current top 5:

Casco - Cybernetic Love (nice to see this getting the repress treatment)
Scotch - Penguin's Invasion (mislabeled vox version)
Roni Griffith - Spys
Expansives - Life With You
La Bionda - I Wanna Be Your Lover

g


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Re: [313] italo-disco track ID's

2002-06-12 Thread gord
Yeah, that's a great mix.  It used to be on www.viewlexx.com, but it's 
gone now.  A partial tracklisting was posted on the list a while back, 
but here you go:


On Wednesday, June 12, 2002, at 09:06  AM, Alasdair Lyon wrote:


Hi folks,  can anyone ID the italo-ish tracks starting at these times in
I-F's nyc 07-10-01 mp3 mix that is/was on mixnet?

0:15:54, (has a chorus going 'I will remember, you will remember 
forever')


Gino Soccio - Remember


1:15:30, (just instrumental)


End Games - First, Last, and Everything


and the track right after it at:
1:19:15 (the verses start with vocals going 'you are the best in town, 
you

take me up and down')


Los Angeles TF - Magical Body

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Re: [313] Influencial radio shows

2002-06-07 Thread gord
Oh yeah, one more I forgot, Brave New Waves on CBC Radio (this one's 
been mentioned on the list before).  So many all-night study sessions 
spent listening to that...


On Friday, June 7, 2002, at 01:08  PM, :P wrote:


radio free earth


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If that's your sentiment, then you'd probably relate to Solvent's track
off the Disco Nouveau compilation called "My Radio" (it's an ode to an
old radio show on CFNY in Toronto).  That one brings me to tears.

Though I didn't grow up listening to Mojo or CFNY (hey, I grew up in
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada), I did listen to a couple of very 
influencial

radio shows when I was a wee lad.  When I could stay up for it, Night
Flight from 12-4am on Friday and Saturday nights on CKER used to play
hip-hop and R&B.  And I don't remember the name of it offhand, but 
there

was a long running show on the university radio station (CJSR) from
2-4pm on Saturday afternoons which played hip-hop and electro (it was
all the same back then).

Also, if anyone has any mp3s of Mojo's shows, I'd love to hear them.

g

On Friday, June 7, 2002, at 12:25  AM, John Kohlstrand wrote:


A final note: Anyone have an .mp3 of Mojo doing his MFA rap? (I'll bet
someone does). I would die for that. The significance of the whole 
thing

eluded me when I was 12 and taping songs off his show.

Back then, radio seemed to suck less.




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[313] Influencial radio shows

2002-06-07 Thread gord
If that's your sentiment, then you'd probably relate to Solvent's track 
off the Disco Nouveau compilation called "My Radio" (it's an ode to an 
old radio show on CFNY in Toronto).  That one brings me to tears.


Though I didn't grow up listening to Mojo or CFNY (hey, I grew up in 
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada), I did listen to a couple of very influencial 
radio shows when I was a wee lad.  When I could stay up for it, Night 
Flight from 12-4am on Friday and Saturday nights on CKER used to play 
hip-hop and R&B.  And I don't remember the name of it offhand, but there 
was a long running show on the university radio station (CJSR) from 
2-4pm on Saturday afternoons which played hip-hop and electro (it was 
all the same back then).


Also, if anyone has any mp3s of Mojo's shows, I'd love to hear them.

g

On Friday, June 7, 2002, at 12:25  AM, John Kohlstrand wrote:


A final note: Anyone have an .mp3 of Mojo doing his MFA rap? (I'll bet
someone does). I would die for that. The significance of the whole thing
eluded me when I was 12 and taping songs off his show.

Back then, radio seemed to suck less.




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Re: [313] Re: electro is "trendy"

2002-06-06 Thread gord

I'm curious about that... any names to recommend ?


Everyone needs to hear the following old electro tracks:

Pretty Tony - Fix It In The Mix
Freestyle - Jam The Box
Freestyle - Don't Stop The Rock
Planet Patrol - Play At Your Own Risk
Captain Rapp - Bad Times
Garrett's Crew - Nasty Rock
Twilight 22 - Electric Kingdom


A few other classics off the top of my head:

Afrika Baambaataa - Looking for the Perfect Beat
Hashim - Al Naafiysh (The Soul)
Sexual Harassment - I Need A Freak
The Unknown DJ - 808 Beats
Model 500 - No UFOs
Egyptian Lover - Egypt, Egypt
JJ Fad - Supersonic

Electro Empire (www.electroempire.com) is a good site to check out audio 
clips and get some history on the artists.  Though some of the artists 
listed there fall more into the category of hip-hop than electro... but 
I'll leave categorizations to those who stock shelves in record 
stores. ;)


g


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Re: [313] [OT] Re: [313] submerge.panel and technology

2002-06-05 Thread gord

Something to ponder:

Perhaps a technology based culture isn't what every society needs or 
wants.  While admitting that technological advancements in sanitation 
and medicine are universally beneficial, one could also argue that every 
family in the world having a computer and internet connection would 
simply lead to cultural homogenization and not necessarily mean "a 
better life for everyone".  Agreed that societies which are 
technologically advanced have a "competitive advantage" in the global 
economy, but should all cultures be forced into global capitalism and 
the technology race?


g

On Wednesday, June 5, 2002, at 12:21  PM, James Hurlbut wrote:

I wasn't at the panel, but I disagree with the idea that technology is 
a root cause of the massive inequality of the world. I think technology 
is neutral, it is a tool whose use can be motivated by greed and profit 
or by social consciousness. The current tide of "globalism from below", 
a historic network of independent media reporters, organizers, and 
activists exists today because of "widespread" deployment of 
communication technology throughout the first and and parts of the 
third world. Events like the World Social Forum at Port Alegro Brazil 
or the Seattle protests couldn't have been organized without 
technology. I'm not delusional, I know 3/5 of the world's population 
doesn't have clean sanitation let alone have used a telephone, but 
that's more of a reason we need to focus on getting technology in the 
hands of the disempowered rather than wishing it would go away. My two 
cents, back to techno.


At 10:15 AM 6/5/2002 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


yeah this is a little late but.


i was at the submerge panel saturday morning of demfit had a very 
"pro technology" flavor to it...imo that is rather problematic since 
technology has played a _large_ part in the rising levels of 
inequality both in the united states (the income of the poorest 20 
percent of households has fallen in real terms by about 15 percent in 
the last 25 years) as well as in developing countries (increases in 
technology have led to globalization which has led to dramatic 
increases in inequity in these countries)..i understand that the 
panelists were not there to speak on such things but all of us have a 
responsiblity to understand our place in the world


back to the music

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Re: [313] DEMF sets that you where impressed with

2002-05-29 Thread gord
Damn... I've caught the UR afterparty for the past 2 years and both 
times were a blast.  Suburban Knight always manages to give me a second 
wind after a long day at the festival.  I didn't even know that there 
was a UR party on Saturday (I thought the only one was the cabaret on 
Friday).  Guess I'll have to stay tuned to the underground a little 
better next year... ;)


And I wasn't sure whether Scan 7 was a group or one guy.  There were 3 
people onstage when Scan 7 performed at DEMF the first year.  I guess 
the guy working the gear was Scan 7.

g

On Wednesday, May 29, 2002, at 04:59  PM, Grammenos, Peter wrote:




Shame I didn't catch the UR afterparty that night though... I was hoping
Scan 7 would bring the UR sound, but they were a no show.
g

PG> Scan 7 had some problems with his equipment and couldn't get it 
repaired
in time. He took me by surprise when i saw him dancing next to me @ the 
UR

after
party w/ when he should have been over @ motor playing a live set. 
Cannot

say
enough about the UR party, it was the best after party of the year for 
me ;)


-Pete



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Re: [313] DEMF sets that you where impressed with

2002-05-29 Thread gord

Most impressive set award goes to Strand @ SOS on Saturday night.

Yeah I know, all the hardcores were probably avoiding Motor like the 
plague, but since I couldn't stay for Monday (we really need to get 
Canadian and American holidays synced up), I wanted to catch the Aux Men 
and see what all the hype was about.


Needless to say, Optic Nerve w/ Aux Men had one of the best theatric 
openings I'd ever seen (for a performance in a club), but good ole 
Cubase stole the show (literally).  However, it was Strand that really 
delivered.  Really smooth, funky, Detroit style techno/tech house in the 
430 West vein done live.  Absolute beauty.  The small crowd there really 
appreciated it.


Shame I didn't catch the UR afterparty that night though... I was hoping 
Scan 7 would bring the UR sound, but they were a no show.

g

PS. So was the Aux Men set on monday night??


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Re: [313] exclusive records on ebay? (flamebait)

2002-03-20 Thread gord

$100US for SID #1?!

Man, I should sell my copy so I can make rent money this month.

g

On Wednesday, March 20, 2002, at 03:56  PM, Mad'R wrote:


So it could be Smart Mad Mike doing this ?

if not :
I think S.I.D. should be sold outside S.I.D.
Who's cutting in who's fingers now ?

Mad'R

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here's my spin:

If you beleive that we live in a somewhat free
country, then people are free to do whatever they
wish. So if someone wants to sell a
promo/whitelabel on ebay,that's their buisness.
as for the SID records we all know you can only
purchase them in detroit, so it may be worth
someone's time/money to buy one off of ebay, if
they won't heading to the 313 anytime soon.




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[313] Bunker Records in North America

2002-03-19 Thread gord

Hey all,

I've been off the list for a while so forgive me if this has already 
been posted in my absence.


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dialectro is proud to present:
The Bunker Records Dirty Brown World Tour
The West-Coast Sound of Holland
Featuring: Legowelt (LIVE) & Orgue Electronique (LIVE)
DJs: TLR (Mr. Clavio/Creme Organization) & Schmerzlabor (Unit 
Moebius/Acidplanet)


+ the Electric Workers crew [Cryogenetic (Twilight 76), Drumatix (audio 
research), freakdrivr, axi-o-matic, and Chase23 (LIVE)], DJ Sabrina, and 
fillspace (LIVE ambient set)


Featured alongside the music will be artwork depicting the "dirty brown 
world".  The artwork will be in various styles and mediums including 
paintings, grafitti, photography, and industrial and digital design.


Saturday March 23, 2002
Zen Lounge (526 Queen St. W)
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
19+, Art reception @ 8pm
Tickets: $15 in advance, $20 @ the door
Tickets available in Toronto at: Metropolis Records, Rotate This, Play 
de Record
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more info and to get tickets outside 
of Toronto

http://www.dialectro.com/

Supported by: Electric Workers, electromuse, and FAR out IDeAs
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Hope to see some of you there.
g


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Re: [313] Motor Rumors

2001-11-29 Thread gord

On Wednesday, November 28, 2001, at 05:27 PM, Altitude wrote:


On a side note, Hamtramck is WAY
sketchy so if you are going to park far from the club do yourself a 
favor
and dont walk alone, it seems that anytime anything happens within 15 
blocks

of the motor the club is blamed for it.


I can second that.  I've only been to Motor once for the Epoch party on 
NYE 2000, but that certainly was an experience (and not just because of 
the party).


Catching a cab late at night in Hamtramck is near impossible.  A bunch 
of us had to wait in the convenience store at the gas station there for 
almost 2 hours for a cab (at 4am).  In addition, the gas station 
attendants said they had to lock the doors and turn off all the lights 
earlier that night because someone had fired a gunshot at the store.  
Even the cab we caught was sketchy (the cab driver was racist and didn't 
seem to notice red lights too well, someone had puked or _something_ in 
the back seat, and the wheel alignment on the cab was so out of whack 
that the driver had to keep the steering wheel turned 90 degrees in 
order to drive straight... no joke).


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Re: [313] disco nouveau. detroit. december 7 2001

2001-11-23 Thread gord

On Thursday, November 22, 2001, at 10:21 PM, james boylan wrote:


Some other artists who I feel have been pushing boundaries in the
retro-electro subgenres.


Isn't that a contradiction? I quite like some of this stuff myself, but 
I wouldn't really say its pushing the boundaries.


That's why I said those artists pushing the boundaries "within those 
subgenres".  It's debatable whether the subgenres themselves are pushing 
new boundaries (re. whether taking retro sounds and fusing them new ones 
is pushing boundaries).  But I think that discussion had enough play in 
the "DE9: Closer to the Edit" thread.


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Re: [313] disco nouveau. detroit. december 7 2001

2001-11-23 Thread gord
It's also quite popular in the Netherlands, Finland, and other areas of 
northern Europe.  I know a lot of people dismiss it as being nostalgia 
music, but I feel that many artists are taking it in new directions and 
fusing old sounds with new ones in interesting ways.


Some other artists who I feel have been pushing boundaries in the 
retro-electro subgenres (I'm partial to the terms electrodisco and 
electrowave myself) recently are:


I-F
Legowelt & Orgue Electronique
Op:l Bastards
Le Syndicat Electronique
G. D. Luxxe
Ellen Allien
Inform3r

... and I always thought mullets were more of a glam rock thing. ;)  
They're still quite out of fashion here in Canada (due to the past 
association with hockey thugs).


g

On Wednesday, November 21, 2001, at 07:51 PM, diana potts wrote:


For those who who just can't seem to get enough of the
eighties synth sound, I strongly suggest the album. It
is cleanly produced and put together (the track
selection flows quite well and tight) and I know alot
of work went into it by Sam, Brendan G. and many other
Ghostly crew members to keep it in the barries of
their audio vision. The tracks by Adult., Perspects
and DMX Krew are the ones that stand out strongest on
the album IMHO.

An entire weeks worth of events were recently
dedicated to this sound deemed "electroclash" by the
event's promoters in NYC. (I'm hoping that term
doesn't stick btw). This li'l sub genre seems pretty
strong in Germany and other parts of Europe as well.
I've had the album for some time, and every time I
listen to it I look forward to and ponder what kind of
impact, if any, it will have on bringing the sound
stronger/closer to the states-though from the number
of mullets in nyc, it's already caught on quite well
here;)

Another artistic and fine job by Ghostly.

my medicated dog is licking the carpet for no good
reason,
diana









--- Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Friday December 7th, 2001

Ghostly International presents...
chapter II:  Disco Nouveau

A Ghostly evening of electro, disco-punk and neo-new
wave.

Disco Nouveau is a pre-release event for Ghostly
International's Tangent
2002: Disco Nouveau compilation featuring new music
from Adult., DMX KREW,
Ectomorph, I-F, Perspects, Solvent, Daniel Wang,
Susumu Yokota and more.
Avaliable February 19th, 2002. (CD/3x12")


Featuring:
ADULT. (live)
(Detroit/Ersatz Audio)

DMX Krew
(UK/Rephlex, International Deejay Gigolos)

Charles Manier
(USA/Ghostly International)

Plus special guest DJ:
Ectomorph
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The Labyrinth
1703 Cass Ave.
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[313] Bunker Records North American tour

2001-11-20 Thread gord

Hi all,

Seeing as there's been an amazing Dutch-Detroit connection happening 
over the past few years, I thought some people might be interested in 
this.


I'm looking for promoters interested in bringing the Bunker Records tour 
to their city.  The tour features Legowelt and Orgue Electronique 
(Live), alongside DJs TLR, and Schmerzlabor.  You can get more info 
about the tour at: http://www.bunker-records.com/bk/info/booking.htm


Hit me back private for more details if you're interested.


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Re: [313] FinalScratch package price

2001-11-01 Thread gord

On Thursday, November 1, 2001, at 12:07 PM, Jayson B. wrote:

one of the most amazing things about the beos is its natural audio 
latency time.  STANDARD this OS spits out audio at THREE MILLISECONDS.  
3 ms.  Think about that one more time.  That means the ONLY time a dj 
is going to really noticed any latency is when he's doing some heavy 
scratching, and minute at best.  When you look at windows with its 35ms 
on a great day latency, you see why this system needs to be run on be 
os.


Anyone have any specs on Mac OS X?  I've heard from propaganda 
(http://www.apple.com/macosx/technologies/audio.html)

that audio throughput latency on OS X is as low as 1ms.  To quote:

"The Core Audio HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) provides ultra low 
latency communication between applications and I/O devices that is 
measurably more efficient than previous solutions. M-Audio reports 
latency as low as 40 samples on Mac OS X from the company’s audio 
interfaces. That translates into 1ms throughput latency — and you get 
this performance in a full multi-channel environment."


Unfortunately there are no pro audio apps out for Mac OS X to test this 
with.  If this is true, I would think that it makes more sense to 
release Final Scratch on Mac OS X rather than BeOS...


g


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Re: [313] Detrechno

2001-10-30 Thread gord
I have "Jit The Anthem" by Sole Tech on Detrechno.  It's essentially the 
same as "Chuck" (except "Jit" is repeated over and over rather than 
"Chuck").  I bought it about 3 years ago and have only seen it once or 
twice since, but I've never seen "Chuck" around.  I've always wanted to 
have both of them so that I could do a "Jit-Chuck" mix where the two 
tracks are cut back and forth. :)


g

On Monday, October 29, 2001, at 06:11 PM, M Elliot-Knight wrote:

What's the scarcity of any Detrechno releases? "Chuck" on the Aux 88 
Electro Boggie mix is brilliant.


MEK

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Re: [313] Re: we kan never be satisfied

2001-09-26 Thread gord
Seems a bit suspect to me... (unless it's a member of A Number of Names 
who is capitalizing on a crate of sealed records they kept for 
posterity).


g

On Wednesday, September 26, 2001, at 06:55 AM, Andy Mitchell wrote:


I was willing to pay well over $500 for this, but still lost it...

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-
cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1465768387&r=0&t=0&show
Tutorial=0&ed=1001200421&indexURL=0&rd=1


Maybe you should try again:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1468818081

Seems somebody's onto a good thing (ie. a box load of sealed Sharevari
singles)


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Re: [313] we kan never be satisfied

2001-09-24 Thread gord
Did you see them perform it live at DEMF this year?  It was amazing... I 
loved it when there were about 25 people onstage doing live improv funk 
(is there any other way?)


There was only a sparse crowd, most of whom didn't seem to realize what 
they were seeing (either that or they were too tired to show any 
enthusiasm -- it was relatively early in the day).  I know I was getting 
my groove on.


g

On Sunday, September 23, 2001, at 09:18 AM, jim proffit wrote:


I was willing to pay well over $500 for this, but still lost it...

I should've used the "strike at the last minute" -method:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-
cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1465768387&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=1001200421&
indexURL=0&rd=1


(if link's broken, copy & paste the the rest)



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Re: [313] Enough with the "False" CNN Coverage ting, already! (way OT -- delete at will)

2001-09-20 Thread gord
Firstly, anyone who uses the term "buddy" to address someone immediately 
discredits themself to some extent. :P


Second, regardless of whether it academically fits the definition of 
"racism" (I won't argue that point since I'm certainly not an expert on 
ethnic origins), the "anti-Muslim" or "anti-Arab" acts themselves have 
the same motivation and affect Muslim and Arabic people the same way 
"racist" acts affect people of a particular race (which is why I group 
the acts under the term "racism").  And it's how people are affected 
which is the point I was trying to make (which is far more important, 
IMO, than splitting hairs over the academic definition of peoples' 
actions).


Anyways, if you really want to continue this discussion, take it 
private.  The only reason why I kept this message public was to take the 
opportunity to defend what I said.


g

On Thursday, September 20, 2001, at 10:21 AM, Jason Kessler wrote:


Let's just clarify one thing here buddy... anti-Muslim or anti-Arab
sentiment, as wrong as it is, CAN NOT be equated with Racism. Why, you 
ask?
Because Arabs do not represent a distinct Racial group. Technically 
they are
Caucasian, but ETHNICALLY they are Semitic peoples... the same as Jews! 
In
fact, Jews and Arabs are genetic cousins; there has been scientific 
research
done to this effect. I'm really getting sick of people calling it 
Racism.
What we're talking about is anti-Arab or anti-semitic behavior, not 
Racism.


Don't mince words!

-J

on 9/20/01 6:05 PM, gord at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I wasn't going to post anything to this list about this topic (since it
really isn't the forum for it), but this is a great point.

Much of the mainstream media has been putting a very racist spin on 
this
and has created a dangerous situation.  I have heard personally from 
one

Islamic man living here who has received a number of death threats.  I
also know that there are a lot of Palestinians living in North America
who are scared to walk the streets for fear of racist backlash.

The analogy I always like to draw for people is if Timothy McVeigh had
bombed a building in Iraq, would you feel it was right for the people 
of

Iraq to blame the entire United States for it and want to retaliate
against us?  Would you, as a fellow American, feel any connection at 
all
to his actions?  I'm sure this is how the majority of Palestinian 
people
feel at the point.  For the media to show that footage and imply that 
it

represents the feelings of all Palestinians is atrocious.

g

On Thursday, September 20, 2001, at 12:24 PM, David González wrote:


ok, maybe you're right, but as far as I know, in those images all you
can
see is about 5 kids, a woman and two adults celebrating (about 9 or 10
people). That's all the celebration? is that all the footage CNN could
get?
Why are this images said to be celebration of the palestinians, for me
it is
a celebration of 10 palestiniansd, most of them kids... I think that 
is

also
distorting reality. I'm not defending anyone here, all I say is this
type of
things promote hate and violence, and that's exactly what we are 
trying

to
avoid, or is it not?



I'm really getting sick of this thing. The "False" CNN coverage is a
hoax:



http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_154/1540102.
st

m

and

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_402920.html?menu=news.latestheadlines

CNN says fake footage claims are 'baseless and ridiculous'



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Re: [313] Enough with the "False" CNN Coverage ting, already!

2001-09-20 Thread gord
I wasn't going to post anything to this list about this topic (since it 
really isn't the forum for it), but this is a great point.


Much of the mainstream media has been putting a very racist spin on this 
and has created a dangerous situation.  I have heard personally from one 
Islamic man living here who has received a number of death threats.  I 
also know that there are a lot of Palestinians living in North America 
who are scared to walk the streets for fear of racist backlash.


The analogy I always like to draw for people is if Timothy McVeigh had 
bombed a building in Iraq, would you feel it was right for the people of 
Iraq to blame the entire United States for it and want to retaliate 
against us?  Would you, as a fellow American, feel any connection at all 
to his actions?  I'm sure this is how the majority of Palestinian people 
feel at the point.  For the media to show that footage and imply that it 
represents the feelings of all Palestinians is atrocious.


g

On Thursday, September 20, 2001, at 12:24 PM, David González wrote:

ok, maybe you're right, but as far as I know, in those images all you 
can

see is about 5 kids, a woman and two adults celebrating (about 9 or 10
people). That's all the celebration? is that all the footage CNN could 
get?
Why are this images said to be celebration of the palestinians, for me 
it is
a celebration of 10 palestiniansd, most of them kids... I think that is 
also
distorting reality. I'm not defending anyone here, all I say is this 
type of
things promote hate and violence, and that's exactly what we are trying 
to

avoid, or is it not?


I'm really getting sick of this thing. The "False" CNN coverage is a 
hoax:




http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_154/1540102.
st

m

and

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_402920.html?menu=news.latestheadlines

CNN says fake footage claims are 'baseless and ridiculous'



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Re: [313]online record stores

2001-09-19 Thread gord

On Wednesday, September 19, 2001, at 10:07 AM, Danny Ward wrote:


I would suggest trying www.planetxusa.com for any online record orders.
They were one of the pioneers in online music shopping and have been 
around

long enough to have built a solid reputation throughout the industry.  I
only talk highly of them because I personally, as well as a good 
majority of

their shoppers have had nothing but solid performance by PX.


Here's my experiences with Planet X:

1) Their policy for international orders (including Canada) is 
terrible.  The first time I ordered from them, I had to do a wire 
transfer to their bank account in NY because they can't verify 
international VISA numbers (for some reason the extra 3 digits on the 
back of a VISA card isn't good enough).  Thus the order cost me an extra 
$30 Canadian in wire transfer fees.


2) When I received my first order, a double album I bought contained two 
copies of the same record.  I brought the issue up and their solution 
was to refund me for it on my next order.  The only reason why I 
accepted this was because they were willing to let me use my ghastly 
international VISA number on the next order (so I wouldn't have to pay 
the absurd wire transfer fees).


3) When I placed my second order, I brought up the issue of the refund 
was told it would happen.  It didn't (I was charged the full amount of 
the second order).


4) Also on my second order, I didn't receive notice of what records I 
would be receiving (just notice that a package had been shipped to me).  
When I tried to find out what records were shipped, they said, "our 
system isn't quite set up for that - yet".


5) I can't navigate their website in Linux (my main operating system for 
software development) since they use Internet Exploder specific website 
features (and there's no version of Internet Exploder for Linux).


Perhaps the last point is nitpicking, but it's important for me.  
Especially since Planet X seems to pride itself on "independence" 
(what's more independent than a hacker developed, DIY operating system?).


Anyways, I just needed to vent about that.  Needless to say, I won't be 
ordering from them again.


g

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Re: [313] http://www.viewlexx.com

2001-09-10 Thread gord
Forgive me if someone already IDed these (I missed a couple of postings 
when I was changing from digest mode to regular mode):


6. B.W.H. - Living Up
14. Pluton & Humanoids - World Invasion
19. The Parallax Corporation - Theme From Cocadisco(?) (Viewlexx)

I'm not sure if the title is correct on 19 since the album doesn't have 
a tracklisting on it.


I enjoyed that mix so that much I cut it up into tracks and burnt it 
onto 2 CDs. :)


g

PS. For those into electrodisco and other new retro influenced sounds, 
have a listen to my newest mix at http://dialectro.com/axiomatic/

(the older mix is predominantly new & old electro)

On Saturday, September 8, 2001, at 07:16 AM, Mad'R wrote:


Nice tracking list, thanks !!

Ferenc rules bigtime
He's very underrated here in Holland
Although i'm not a electro freak ,
I do like some of the italo,disco and early housetracks he plays
the Madonna retro is : Annie - The Greatest Hit
if only someone could make a track listing of Recloose sets ;-)

Mad'R


Kent Williams:


http://www.viewlexx.com


Mike Taylor:


thanks for this link! this is such a great mix, I would kill for a
tracklisting.



Few I recognised:

-? (sounds like some Space or John Carpenter synth thing... Escape from

New

York soundtrack?)
-Gino Soccio - Remember (Atlantic)
-?
-Mr.Flagio - Take a chance (Squish) (NOTE: a cover version of the 
Laswell

original)
-Amin Peck - Girl on me (Delirium)
-?
-Casco - Cybernatic love (House of music)
-Lime - Angel eyes (Prism)
-Charlie - Spacer woman (Mr.Disc organization)
-? (the new Madonna-sampling retro tune...)
-? (GOD DAMN this is familiar...what was it...?)
-? (some quality house: "can't let you go"...)
-? (another infamous 70's porn disco classic...can't remember)
-? ("space invaders from outer space"...can't remember)
-? (classic can't remember)
-Cellophane - Gimme love (SPQR)
-? (nice)
-Los Angeles T.F. - Magical body (Il discotto)
-? ("destiny..." some new Viewlexx thingy can't remember...)
-Scotch - Penquins' invasion (American disc) (NOTE: vocal version is

another

(later)version of this)
-?
-? (that INFAMOUS classic tune they played to death on Hotmix-5 
shows...)



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Re: [313] Gigolo: Munich To Detroit

2000-10-30 Thread gord

Roland van Oorschot sez:

> At 10:05 10/28/2000 +0200, you wrote:
> >yeah it has been played a lot over here (but i think it's a year or two old
> >or something?).
> 
> 
> And it even gets tastier: the melody is from 1984.
> The whole track is ripped from an old Commodore 64 game-tune from the game 
> Lazy Jones.

Hey, what song is it in the game?  I picked up the SID file from
http://www.c64gg.com/l3.html but I can't seem to find a tune from the 
game that sounds like Zombie Nation.

I do recognize song 7 in the SID as being Blondie(?) though...

Ahh, the old C64 SID sound is bringing me too much nostalgia (lo-hi
lo-hi lo-hi lo-hi...).

g



Re: [313] Gigolo: Munich To Detroit, Zombie, Dave Clarke

2000-10-30 Thread gord

Cyclone Wehner sez:

> 
> >I just saw Hell play here in Toronto, and I can say that while he
> >dropped a few nice tracks and his mixing was tight, I found it rather
> >boring.  I was actually pretty disapointed.  His set really lacked
> >energy and direction, IMHO.  Though I'm interested in hearing his set
> >at FUSE to see how it compares.
> 
> It was probably the crowd - what were they like? I rate him very highly. Was
> he playing more straight-up techno or the gigolo stylee weird electro/disco
> stuff? The latter is where his heart is at I think now.

It was a cheesy club with lots of people "coming up" just as I was
getting bored.  Most of the people didn't have a clue who Hell was...

His set was predominantly straight-up techno, though he started with
some good electro and dropped one really bassy, f*cked-up techno track
in the middle of his set that I enjoyed.  No weird electro/disco like
I was expecting.

Towards the end of his set, he just faded out the track he was playing
and put on a jazzy, vocal-house track.  Then he proceeded to mix right
back into the bland techno again.  Very strange.

g



Re: [313] Gigolo: Munich To Detroit, Zombie, Dave Clarke

2000-10-30 Thread gord
I just saw Hell play here in Toronto, and I can say that while he
dropped a few nice tracks and his mixing was tight, I found it rather
boring.  I was actually pretty disapointed.  His set really lacked
energy and direction, IMHO.  Though I'm interested in hearing his set
at FUSE to see how it compares.

And Zombie Nation is a huge rave/club anthem in Europe.  While it's
not strictly in the trance vein, it has that very catchy synth line
and euro-disco feel, so I can see why it's so big over there (and
barely known here in North America).  Dave Clarke's justifcation in
Jockey Slut for why he remixed it is a good laugh.  For someone with
such good taste in electro, he's a real cheeseball.  Not that he ever
plays electro when he DJs live...

g

Cyclone Wehner sez:

> They have had a few anomalies of late - eg Chance & The Sunkids garage
> diamonds. There's a big article on Zomie Nation in Jockey Slut (Oct) with
> their millionth (or sumthin') Dave Clarke article. For a man with such a
> profound distaste for journalists/the media he does a lot.  Everyone (I know
> with taste) is raving about the new DJ Hell Fuse mix-CD. He is among my
> favourite DJs. Check it out.
> 
> >I thought Central station only licenced hi-nrg rave/house hits?? What the
> >hell is going on?
> >
> >Peace,
> >Patrick, Southern Outpost.
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Sets on undergroundcommittee.com (was Re: DJ Rolando's set)

2000-10-23 Thread gord
Just browsed the sets on undergroundcommittee.com and I'm really
interested in hearing them.  One problem however... I don't use MS
Windows.  Are there any plans to generate Real Audio versions of
those sets so that users of other operating systems can listen to
them?

g

Michael Kim sez:

> WOW  unbelievable.  very, very consistent with my taste in music...
> 
> is there any other mix cd's he's done besides the Aztec Mystic?
> 
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Re: [313] new Claude Young album

2000-10-17 Thread gord
Yeah, just listened to it yesterday.  Classic Detroit techno
soundscapes and rhythms.  Some minimal tracks and some a bit more 
pounding.  Not groundbreaking, but a good solid sound nonetheless.

g

Andrew Duke sez:

> anybody heard this yet?
> 
>Claude Young presents: / Patterns The Album
> (dark minimalist techno tracks grouped with eerie dark
> soundscapes)
>  Djax   2x12
> 
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Re: [313] New Release

2000-09-20 Thread gord
yeah, been digging around the Clone site recently and in addition to
having some killer electro on their label (and affiliate labels), they
also have some amazing stuff in their record shop.

unfortunately they seem rather backed up at the moment because they
haven't responded yet to the order I sent them last Friday.

biting my nails...
g

On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, sloes wrote:

> from the Clone mailinglist:
> 
> 
> 
> > Finally, the summer is over, and we're releasing new music again.
> > The catalog of the online shop was also updated.
> > 
> > Check out all these new releases, visit our site www.clone.nl 
> > 
> > E-mail ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) or call us for distribution ++31(0)10 4369506
> > 
> > Also other good news. Grammar, a label we distribute has it's own
> > site, please check it out at www.grammar.nl. Oh, and if you're
> > looking for great music online, listen to what hotmix has
> > put online: http://www.hotmix.nl/mixnet
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > And now, without further ado, the releases:
> > 
> > 
> > New Releases Clone, Viewlexx. Vcd/13 
> > 
> >  Viewlexx 12/11 (Tracklisting etc. on www.hotmix.nl)
> > 
> > I-f /Parallax corp. -Coca disco ll (city of destiny)
> > 
> >   Another limited pre-release taken from the forth coming
> >   Parallax corp. Album by I-f and his partner Intergallactic
> >   Gary . A 5 track dance floor burner  ,with some exclusive
> >   tracks wich won't appear on the album. A unique house meets
> >   disco meets electro style wich perfectly fits in every great
> >   saturdaynight out.  This may be one of those records wich
> >   set a trend (remember that I-f have had such impakt before
> >   with a whole bunch of his records and also with his unique
> >   dj style!!). We try to give everyone his share, but
> >   preorders might help to give you the quantities you need!
> >   (Check www.hotmix.nl for realaudio)
> > 
> > 
> > Clone , C#18 -Duplex -ep4
> > 
> >   Not a new artist but a change of sound for the new Clone ep
> >   by Duplex.  Duplex delivers some fresh (detroit influenced)
> >   techno and house flavours on their 4th ep. Coming from a
> >   background from harder techno in Rotterdam (They produced
> >   music on labels such as X-trax and Hithouse together with
> >   people as Ferry Corsten and Hole in One in the '90s), they
> >   now explore the softer deeper shades of techno with 4 smooth
> >   bass driven tracks with nice floating layers of the most
> >   beautyfull sounds remembering us of the early days of
> >   Detroit techno. For everyone who missed Duplex's Ep3 (wich
> >   has been rated by people such as Laurent Garnier, Mr C.,
> >   Michel de Hey and others) this is another change to get some
> >   different flavours from Rotterdam ! (check www.clone.nl for
> >   realaudio files)
> > 
> > 
> > Clone , C#19 - Perspects - Hooverculture ep.
> > 
> >   After Adult.'s "New phonies" ep we are proud to present the
> >   other half of  Detroit's Le Car .  Perspects present his new
> >   10" project as cellebration of the '80s culture wich has
> >   made many of us what we are today. A 4 track ep with electro
> >   pop, enjoying and cellebrating the good things from those
> >   days of doom and no hope.  Sometimes it makes you wonder
> >   what kept us from going under... Well ,one of those things
> >   ,what keeps us going is music!! Perspects gives you another
> >   reason to stay alive .
> > 
> > 
> > CLONE DISTRIBUTION WELCOMES : EAT THIS RECORDS , GROUNDZERO
> > AND TECHNOTOURIST AS NEW WORLDWIDE EXCLUSIVE LABELS 
> > 
> > A small introduction for these new exclusive labels!
> > First of all the Eat this label known for their Raginakudo
> > project with Legowelt, EOG ,Funckarma ,Swap, Gimmick ao. We
> > start with a new series of limited 10"s and hopefully a
> > repress of their backcatalogue soon.  Then we welcome 2 new
> > labels from Rotterdam (yes...another two new labels!!)
> > ;Groundzero and Technotourist. Two labels (closely connected
> > to each other) wich will cellebrate the exictense of techno
> > music in it purest form. Pure music made for the love of it
> > ranging from deep floating tracks to more dancefloor
> > orientated techno. Groundzero and Technotourist will release
> > music influenced by various styles and artists such as Basic
> > channel, Derrick May , Kevin Saunderson , B12 , Carl Craig,
> > John Tejada, Robert Hood , Moodyman etc. to give an idea of
> > their coming releases.
> > 
> > 
> > Technotourist 001 (TT001)
> > The Technotourists  - Follow the beat
> > 
> >   Mastered at Detroits NSC to give this piece of quality
> >   techno extra flavour for the Detroit fetishists. 4
> >   Beautyfull tracks by this former Eevolute artist. Funky
> >   crispy percusion leading the nice strings with floating
> >   melodies. Each track is a great piece of techno music in the
> >   same vein as Chris Gray  and John Tejada are taking their
> >   productions lately... Allready getting great responce among
> >   various techno jocks and mag

Re: [313] Le Car - Autiobiography....??

2000-09-18 Thread gord
Even better, go to the source...

http://www.ersatzaudio.com/html/disco/ezcd13.html

It's a best-of compilation that includes a few rareities.  I'm pretty sure
it's unmixed, but I haven't heard it all the way through, so don't hold me
to that statement. :)

g

On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Diana Potts wrote:

> 
> http://allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?p=amg&sql=A498359
> 
> OR.
> 1.http://www.allmusic.com
> 2.Type in 'Le Car' in artist
> and select the "Auto-biography" CD
> 
> diana
> 
> >From: "Peter T. Bense" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "313" <313@hyperreal.org>
> >Subject: [313] Le Car - Autiobiography??
> >Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 00:55:03 -0400
> >
> >
> >
> >Yeah guys, I know its been awhile since I posted but school's kept me real
> >busy. ;o)
> >
> >Saw this one on the new-release lists and was wondering if anyone out there
> >has had a chance to check it out yet.
> >
> >It says 23 tracks according to the Bent Crayon list and I was wondering if
> >anyone know if it was mixed/unmixed or had opinions on the music?
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >
> >/Peter
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Re: [313] Dark House Music label (Trackhead Series) Information?

2000-09-14 Thread gord
I have a 12" off Dark House Music I picked up a couple of years ago, but
I'm not sure what number it is.  On one side the label has a sticker with
a tracklisting and the name of it, on the other side the label has a 
stamp.  Here's all the info:

Artist: The Brood
Name: Nitebreed EP
Tracks:
  1. Frantik House
  2. Roaming
  3. Nitebreed
  4. The Score
Producer: T. Mitchell
Style: Dark tech-house
Extra Info:
  Stamp reads: Dark * House Music 0181 854 9461
  Clear plastic sleeve with a picture of an evil smiling
  black house on it.

I believe the number listed in the stamp is the contact phone 
number??  That's all I really know about the label.  I wasn't collecting
very seriously back then so I didn't follow the label or find out any
info about them.

g

On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, [ISO-8859-1] Nuutti-Iivari Meril?inen wrote:

> 
>   Does anyone have information on a british label called Dark House
> Music? A discography would be nice, here's a start (just fill in the
> blanks if you can, and I'm not too sure about the the ones that I know
> about either (except for DHM004, DHM005 and DHM008 which I alredy have):
> 
> DHM001???
> DHM002???
> DHM003???
> DHM004Various: Trackhead Series Volume 1 (12")
>   (Mark Broom, Terry Mitchell, Ben Sims, The Assembly)
> DHM005Various: Trackhead Series Volume 2 (12")
>   (Terry Mitchell, Mark Williams... ?)
> DHM006Various: Trackhead Series Volume 3 (2x12") ???
> DHM007Various: Trackhead Series Volume 3 remixes (12") ???
>   (Mark Broom...)
> DHM008Various: Trackhead Series Volume 4 (12")
>   (Max Duley, Ben Sims, DJ Hazy, Mark Williams)
> DHM009Various: Trackhead Series Volume 5 (12") ???
>   (Mark Williams, Terry Mitchell... ?)
> DHM010Various: Trackhead Series Volume 6 (12") ???
>   (Robert Armani, DJ Pro One... ?)
> 
>   Thank you,
> 



Re: [313] LAST MIN ANNOUNCEMENT: MISS KITTIN & THE HACKER LIVE

2000-09-12 Thread gord
Just picked up melodies en sous-sol the other day... some nice, dark,
moody hard techno and electro.  Time and Space is a beautiful track and
will definately be seeing some play on my turntables.

I haven't heard a lot from Perspects (Ian Clark), but what I have heard
I've really enjoyed.  Desire & Efficiency... what more do I have to say?

Makes me wish I lived in the D... anyone know if these artists will be
making their way to Toronto in the near future?  A must see for anyone
following electro these days...

g

On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Kent williams wrote:

> I saw the Hacker (minus Kittin) in Paris and you really ought to get
> out and represent for Grenoble!  And check out Good Life Records in
> general for proof that there's more to France than filter disco!  Very
> high quality label, nice guys, and deserving your support!
> 
> kent williams -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> http://www.mp3.com/chaircrusher -- tunes
> http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=chaircrusher -- mix
> 
> 
> On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Derek wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Thought this may be of interest to a good bunch of you.
> > 
> > derek.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -
> > Wednesday, September 13th @ Motor in Hamtramck
> > 
> > 
> > Live Performances by:
> > 
> > Miss Kittin & The Hacker (International DJ Gigolo's)
> > Perspects (Ersatz Audio)
> > Maersk (Maersk Music/Quadrant)
> > 
> > along with:
> > 
> > DJ Carlos Souffront
> > 
> > Showtime: 10 pm
> > Cost: $7
> > 
> > Motor
> > 3515 Caniff
> > Hamtramck, MI
> > 313-369-0090
> > www.motordetroit.com
> > 
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SF techno events?

2000-08-27 Thread gord
I'll keep this short since it's offtopic... I'm in the bay area this
weekend with nothing to do and was wondering if anyone can recommend
anything?

g



Re: [313] Underground OT (was Re: [313] Pooh-blahs)

2000-08-17 Thread gord

On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Not necessarily my rebuttal, but an interesting one, from Jeremy Gilbert and
> Ewan Pearson quoted without permission from "Discographies - Dance Music,
> Culture, and the Politics of Sound":
> 
> "The only reason for staying underground is that in relation to dominant
> structures of power, you are weak.  To celebrate that weakness rather than
> to try to overcome it is  to concede social authority to those dominant
> discourses.  It is, in fact, to _choose_ too remain in a subordinate
> position and to condemn others to a similar position."

I find this statement to be rather naive and reductionist in a number of 
ways.

Firstly, what if you don't support the dominant structures of power and
the political stance you impose upon yourself by working together with 
them?  This has nothing to do with being weak or strong, and everything to 
do with supporting and influencing change.  By staying underground, you
are making a statement that you have no interest in supporting these
structures.  This is done in hopes that reasonable people will recognize
this and be influenced by it (thus affecting change).

Secondly, it assumes that everyone is interested in power and that people
are only either in a subordinate or dominant position (depending on the
power they wield).  While to a certain extent it is true that the desire
to affect change is a struggle for power, it is certainly not individual
power that is desired (this is often why those wanting to affect change
don't reveal their identity or make public apperances).  It is a struggle
for power of reason.  To open people's minds to something they might not
have thought about, not fully understood, or not cared about before.  One
certainly does not gain individual power by supporting a cause greater
than themself, nor are they in a dominant (or subordinate) position by
making lifestyle decisions to help affect change (namely staying 
underground and often poor because of it).

As for things said about not making a website and not telling anyone about
your music in order to keep it underground... that's just missing the
point entirely.  Underground is about a state of mind, not crawling under
a rock.  Anyone who uses the term underground in an elitist, exclusionary 
way doesn't get it.

g



Re: [313]Detroit bread & butter (Ax-20)

2000-08-08 Thread gord

On 8 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I find myself wondering where you guys are coming from...
> It seems  your opinions regarding the state of music from Detroit is 
> superficial at best...Where would your "avant-guarde" dj's  be without someone



> Kenny Dixon jrever heard of him?

Hey I'll be the first to admit that I have my head in the sand when it
comes to house music, jazzy house, and related producers.  Nor do I
think that techno producers are any more "avant garde" than house music 
producers.  I'm sure there's a lot of interesting house, soul, funk,
r&b, etc. coming out of Detroit these days too.  It's unfortunate, but I
find that whatever style of music you are into tends to become the center
of your universe.  I was just talking about Detroit music from a techno
perspective.  That's why I titled my reply "Detroit techno/bread n'
butter" (bread n' butter because Detroit techno is what this list is based
around, not implying that techno is the bread n' butter of Detroit
music).  Somehow the techno was dropped from that title.

As for influences/racial issues, that's a whole new ball of wax (one which
is probably best discussed elsewhere, and certainly won't be resolved by
debating on a mailing list).  Just speaking about music though, I find
that it's good to know the roots, but one shouldn't mistake the roots for
the tree.

g



[313] d-troit techno/bread n' butter (was Re: Ax-020)

2000-08-08 Thread gord

On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, JARED WILSON wrote:

> I agree, out side of the new plus 8 track (Electric Deluxe) I have not been 
> to impressed with Detroit releases.  I would say that the most avant techno 
> of late has come from the likes of Marco Carola, Gaeton Parisio, and even 
> some Adam Beyer releases (specifically the release on Conform "Lost and 
> Found"??).  And even the previously mentioned music is still just a 
> "refined" techno.  I think Detroit has become stagnant, but do not get me 
> wrong this is not a negative view.  I think the next few years will be very 
> exciting for Detroit music and look forward to some of the "next generation" 
> producers.  Any thoughts on the matter would be greatly appreciated.

I'd disagree to some extent.  Although maybe not as prolific as it has
been for the majority of the past two decades, there are still some good
sounds coming out of Detroit.  I have been enjoying a lot of the Ersatz
Audio stuff of late (it just pulls my retro industrial/new wave
heartstrings). :)  Perspects - Desire & Efficiency is a beautiful
track.  Although not exactly "avant garde" (what truly is?), it does add a
modern feel to an old sound.  UR also has some nice tracks in their
S.I.D. series (which includes everything from minimal techno to classic
electro).  And although I'm not a huge ghetto-tech fan (I did enjoy Disco
D's I.R.S on Contaminated), Detroit is definately at the center of it.

And how dare you say that Detroit is stagnant so soon after DEMF!? ;P

I've mainly been focusing lately on collecting classic tracks that I
consider to be groundbreaking, but as for recent techno (within the
last couple of years) that I've considered to be "avant garde", it would
have to be the stuff coming from Neil Landstrumm, Christian Vogel, Daze
Maxim, Justin Berkovi, and related artists.

just my .02
g