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[Bill Stewart]

I heard an announcement on NPR tonight that tomorrow's
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http://www.npr.org/programs/totn/ .
Mark Rotenberg of EPIC will be on.
Wed, June 23, 2004 -- 11:00am PDT KQED.ORG
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That's what the Supreme Court ruled this week. Guests: Bill Johnson, 
executive director and legal counsel of the National Association of Police 
Organizations; and Marc Rotenberg, president of Electronic Privacy 
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[Steve Schear]

Written
by Marc Stevens

There’s an incredible amount of energy expended on the subject of
so-called "illegal aliens." These are men, women and children
who allegedly are not in the "country" "legally."
People who think they’re "citizens" believe physical force may
be used against "illegal aliens" to cage them and send them
back to their "country." This use of physical violence is
called "deportation." One of the biggest complaints about these
so-called "illegals" is how much they cost "citizens"
and "taxpayers" in welfare and other "social
programs." However, just as it’s a myth there’s a
"country" or "nation" called the "United
States," there’s no such thing as an "illegal alien."
They’re all part of the
government
hoax.
To prove there’s no such thing as an "illegal alien," one needs
to examine what a "nation" or "country" is. A
"nation," such as the pretended "United States," is
supposed to be a "voluntary association of individuals." The
mere fact physical violence is used to "deport" so-called
"illegals" contradicts the professed "voluntary"
nature of a "nation."
A "nation" is composed of "citizens," and a
"citizen" is supposed to be a member of a political body
("nation") who owes a duty of allegiance in return for a duty
of protection. These two "duties" are the only things
separating men who are "citizens" from men who are
"illegal aliens."
Do these alleged "duties" exist and if so, exactly
how were they created?
Is the "protection" offered by the "United States
government" offered on a take-it-or-leave-it basis like other
services? No, of course not. "Citizen" is not synonymous with
customer. Customers, unlike "citizens," have the choice to say
no to a particular service or product without being threatened and
killed. You accept and pay for the services provided by men and women
doing business as a "state" or be murdered:


"The only idea they have ever manifested as to what is a
government of consent, is this–that it is one to which everybody must
consent, or be shot."
No
Treason: The Constitution of No Authority - Lysander
Spooner.

It’s fundamental no "duty" or obligation is created by
threats of violence and violence. This is one of the fatal flaws in
statist theology. Men and women calling themselves "government"
violently impose themselves on victims called "citizens," and
"ordain" scriptures called "laws" that define the way
"government" does business as a crime. I love the following
example of this quoted in my article The
Government
Hoax:


"racketeer. The organized use of threats, coercion,
intimidation, and violence to compel the payment for actual or alleged
services of arbitrary or excessive charges under the guise of membership
dues, protection fees, royalties, or service rates. United States v
McGlone (DC Pa) 19 F Supp 285, 286." Ballentine’s Law
Dictionary, page 1051.

This describes exactly how men and women calling themselves a
"state," "nation" and "government"
operate.
Now if "duties" and obligations are not created by violence,
then there’s no "duty" to protect anyone and there is no
"duty" of allegiance. These are the only two things separating
men who are "citizens" from men who are "illegal
aliens" and neither one exists.
Because neither "duty" exists there are no "citizens"
and no "nation." It then follows there is no such thing as an
"illegal alien." The only "officially recognized"
"legal" status with any existence is called "res
nullius" meaning: "The property of no one." Ballentine’s
Law Dictionary, page 1105. This is why the very idea of a "free
government" is ridiculous. Because human beings are not property
there can be no valid "government" as "govern" means
control and control implies ownership:


"The right of absolute and irresponsible dominion is the right
of property, and the right of property is the right of absolute,
irresponsible dominion. The two are identical; the one necessarily
implying the other."
No
Treason: The Constitution of No Authority - Lysander
Spooner.

The "illegal" problem is classic diversion: instead of
focusing on the real problem, viz., men and women violently controlling
other men and women ("government," slavery etc.), the focus is
diverted to non-existent "illegal aliens." Men and women
pretending to be a "state" steal money from their victims
(pretended "citizens") and give it to other men, women and
children (pretended "illegals"). Instead of refusing to be
victims and not permitting their money to be stolen, the victims only
complain the people stealing their money shouldn’t give it away. Focusing
on the non-existent "illegals" instead of the robbery only
gives the violent men and women pretending to be a "state"
legitimacy.
It is tantamount to a bank being robbed and the bank manager’s only
complaint is the robber buys crack with the money. "Hey, don’t buy
crack! That’s stupid. You should buy more guns and soldiers so you can
steal more money."
It seems irrational to complain how stolen money is being used. When
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Current Price: $1.05
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XcelPlus is a specialty chemicals and lubricants distributor. We provide solutions to 
every day problems people encounter on the job, in their cars, homes as well as in the 
air. The formulas we provide have been around since the 1970's and have been 
documented as well as proven over the years in countless applications. They have been 
marketed under various private labels; Lubrilon, Slick 50 (1978-1984), Matrix, 
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discovered us as well including some internationally known racers. 

NEWS RELEASE:

SALUDA, Va., Jun 18, 2004 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Xcelplus International (XLPI)(OTC Pink 
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get our name in your face to build brand recognition across the country according to 
company president Mr. Bill Smith. 

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The SPECULATIVE TARGET PRICE IN NEXT 3-5 DAYS: $2.15 - 2.39
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NOW What are you waiting for?

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++ EXCITING NEWS JUST RELEASED FOR XLPI ++ 

Before we start with the profile of XLPI we would like to mention something very 
important:

THERE IS BIG PR CAMPAIGN for XLPI STARTING on June 21st and ITS EXPECTED THERE WILL BE 
HUGE DEMAND FOR XLPI SHARES.
 
+>+>+> Company Profile +>+>+>

Xcelplus International
Symbol: XLPI
Current Price: $1.05
http://moneycentral.msn.com/scripts/webquote.dll?ipage=qd&Symbol=XLPI

The SPECULATIVE TARGET PRICE IN NEXT 3-5 DAYS: $2.15 - 2.39
The SPECULATIVE TARGET PRICE IN NEXT 10 DAYS: $2.92 


ABOUT THE COMPANY

XcelPlus is a specialty chemicals and lubricants distributor. We provide solutions to 
every day problems people encounter on the job, in their cars, homes as well as in the 
air. The formulas we provide have been around since the 1970's and have been 
documented as well as proven over the years in countless applications. They have been 
marketed under various private labels; Lubrilon, Slick 50 (1978-1984), Matrix, 
Camtron, Z-Bond as well as others. You may not recognize the formulas but you may 
remember some of these names.  **The formulas these companies may use today are not 
the formulas they were originally supplied with.

Aircraft engines have kept running even after they ran out of oil.  This has happened 
in countless numbers of automobiles as well over the years some times even 
intentionally. Transmissions have been enabled to perform better, racers have 
discovered us as well including some internationally known racers. 

NEWS RELEASE:

SALUDA, Va., Jun 18, 2004 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Xcelplus International (XLPI)(OTC Pink 
Sheets: XLPI). Xcelplus is preparing for the launch into television in early July to 
get our name in your face to build brand recognition across the country according to 
company president Mr. Bill Smith. 

Get This First Thing Tuesday It Will Explode All Week
Fax Campaign Will Begin Wednesday Evening!

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may be "forward looking statements." 
  
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publication of this report. Be aware of an inherent conflict of interest resulting 
from such holdings due to our intent to profit from the liquidation of these shares. 
Shares may be sold at any time, even after positive statements have been made 
regarding the above company. Since we own shares, there is an inherent conflict of 
interest in our statements and opinions. Readers of this publication are cautioned not 
to place undue 
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expectations involving various risks and uncertainties, that could cause results to 
differ materially from those set forth in the forward- looking statements. Please be 
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The Beeb's got a story about a virus that reduces
the effects of cocaine in rats, being better at getting
appropriate proteins to appropriate parts of the brain.
The news story talks about the potential for use in treatment
(says it's way too early to tell,
and says that addictive behaviours are psychologically complex
so they can't predict if addicts would just switch to
other drugs if the virus makes coke not work for them,
but that's the kind of thing people in the treatment biz say),
but the parts of the story that talk about what the virus
actually does talk about reduction in the direct effects of
cocaine on rat behaviour, not the effects on withdrawal.
Meanwhile, Dept of Homeland Security is pricing syringes...


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Airtime is being acquired on some major networks such as: CNBC, ESPN, ABC,
NBC, CBS, FOX, CNN, as well as several others.

The SPECULATIVE TARGET PRICE IN NEXT 3-5 DAYS: $2.15 - 2.39
The SPECULATIVE TARGET PRICE IN NEXT 10 DAYS: $2.92

Did you miss out on ACST, UP 400%?, ICMH, 130= %? and others?

NOW What are you waiting for?

Here's another pick - Another potential big Play - XLPI

++ EXCITING NEWS JUST RELEASED FOR XLPI ++ 

Before we start with the profile of XLPI we would like to mention something very 
important:

THERE IS BIG PR CAMPAIGN for XLPI STARTING on June 21st and ITS EXPECTED THERE WILL BE 
HUGE DEMAND FOR XLPI SHARES.
 
+>+>+> Company Profile +>+>+>

Xcelplus International
Symbol: XLPI
Current Price: $1.05
http://moneycentral.msn.com/scripts/webquote.dll?ipage=qd&Symbol=XLPI

The SPECULATIVE TARGET PRICE IN NEXT 3-5 DAYS: $2.15 - 2.39
The SPECULATIVE TARGET PRICE IN NEXT 10 DAYS: $2.92 


ABOUT THE COMPANY

XcelPlus is a specialty chemicals and lubricants distributor. We provide solutions to 
every day problems people encounter on the job, in their cars, homes as well as in the 
air. The formulas we provide have been around since the 1970's and have been 
documented as well as proven over the years in countless applications. They have been 
marketed under various private labels; Lubrilon, Slick 50 (1978-1984), Matrix, 
Camtron, Z-Bond as well as others. You may not recognize the formulas but you may 
remember some of these names.  **The formulas these companies may use today are not 
the formulas they were originally supplied with.

Aircraft engines have kept running even after they ran out of oil.  This has happened 
in countless numbers of automobiles as well over the years some times even 
intentionally. Transmissions have been enabled to perform better, racers have 
discovered us as well including some internationally known racers. 

NEWS RELEASE:

SALUDA, Va., Jun 18, 2004 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Xcelplus International (XLPI)(OTC Pink 
Sheets: XLPI). Xcelplus is preparing for the launch into television in early July to 
get our name in your face to build brand recognition across the country according to 
company president Mr. Bill Smith. 

Get This First Thing Tuesday It Will Explode All Week
Fax Campaign Will Begin Wednesday Evening!

http://moneycentral.msn.com/scripts/webquote.dll?ipage=qd&Symbol=XLPI




*Forward-Looking Statements - Disclaimer
  
Information within this email contains "forward looking statements" within the meaning 
of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21B of the Securities 
Exchange Act of 1934. Any statements that express or involve discussions with respect 
to predictions, goals, expectations, beliefs, plans, projections, objectives, 
assumptions or future events or performance are not statements of historical fact and 
may be "forward looking statements." 
  
In compliance with Section 17(b), we disclose the holding of XLPI shares prior to the 
publication of this report. Be aware of an inherent conflict of interest resulting 
from such holdings due to our intent to profit from the liquidation of these shares. 
Shares may be sold at any time, even after positive statements have been made 
regarding the above company. Since we own shares, there is an inherent conflict of 
interest in our statements and opinions. Readers of this publication are cautioned not 
to place undue 
reliance on forward-looking statements, which are based on certain assumptions and 
expectations involving various risks and uncertainties, that could cause results to 
differ materially from those set forth in the forward- looking statements. Please be 
advised that nothing within this email shall constitute a solicitation or an offer to 
buy or sell any security mentioned herein. This newsletter is neither a registered 
investment advisor nor affiliated with any broker or dealer. All statements made are 
our express opinion only and should be treated as such. We may own, buy and sell any 
securities mentioned at any time. This report includes forward-looking statements 
within the meaning of The Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These 
statements may include terms as "expect", "believe", "may", "will", 
"move","undervalued" and "intend" or similar terms. This newsletter was paid $9000 
from third party to send this report. PLEASE DO YOUR OWN DUE DILIGENCE BEFORE INVES!
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Re: [IP] When police ask your name, you must give it, Supreme Court says (fwd from dave@farber.net)

[Bill Stewart]

At 12:04 AM 6/22/2004, Justin wrote:
On 2004-06-21T22:38:01-0700, Steve Schear wrote:
> Not a problem.  Its legal to use any name you wish, including those that
> use gyphs and sounds which cannot be represented by standard Roman and
> non-Roman alphabets (as is common in some African tribes).  So, those that
> wish to avoid this data base nightmare can legally adopt name which does
> not conform.
It's legal to _have_ any name you wish, but in some states you can
just use the name you want, and in other states you have to legally change 
your name.
California's DMV changed their policies five or ten years ago -
this used to be one of the places where changing your name on a whim was
not only freely accepted, but just about mandatory in Hollywood,
but at least the DMV now requires you to legally change your name
(not sure if the rest of the law requires it.)

Don't citizens have to have an english-alphabet transliteration of their
name to use for legal purposes (birth certificate, green card, social
security record)?
No legal requirement that I'm aware of, nor is literacy mandatory.
Some individual types of paperwork may require that
(wouldn't surprise me if the INS thugs did, for instance,
though their standard rule in the past was that they'd assign you an
inaccurate transliteration...)  but that doesn't mean they all need the same.
You're not required to get a birth certificate, though if your kid's born
in a hospital they'll tend to issue one whether you ask for it or not.
I never applied for a social security number, so I haven't seen the forms
(my parents had already done that for me, and I assume that the number I
memorized in ~2nd grade was correct, though I've long since lost the paper.)
Is there a list of the other 20 states with stop-and-identify laws?
Go read the Supreme Court majority opinion - the states are mentioned there,
though the opinion doesn't say exactly what each state requires.
California, BTW, isn't on the list.
The DMV differentiates same-name people by SSN, right?
It tries :-)  It also tries to differentiate by address.
Most DMVs aren't very good at record-keeping, and the last two
states I've lived in have each spent ~$50 million on huge
computer modernization processes that have failed miserably...
Is it very far-fetched to imagine that state courts and
federal appeals courts will uphold state laws requiring
SSN disclosure for identification purposes?
State laws requiring SSN disclosure for driver's licenses were
illegal under the Privacy Act of 1974, and then legalized
for limited uses in ~1986, and the Feds have made them
all but mandatory.  They're also mandatory for income-taxable business,
except when you can use a Taxpayer ID Number instead.
After all, the Supreme Court didn't rule this way for fun;
You're overestimating the morals of the more conservative members
of the Court, though "fun" requires a sense of humor which
may be lacking in Rehnquist's case.  (Some of them do have fun -
Scalia recently went hunting with Cheney, for instance,
and Thomas got raked over the coals at his acceptance hearings
because of the fun he'd had harassing Anita Hill.
And one or two of the liberals are a bit on the odd side as well.)
Maybe the 9th circuit will be safe from mandatory SSN disclosure during
Terry stops, but I doubt any other circuits will be.  The Supremes can't
want to hear another case of this sort in the near future.  They just
cranked up the temperature; if they crank it up again too soon the frogs
may notice they're about to boil.
They didn't take this case just because they wanted it to -
they took it because Gilmore and Noise and friends helped Hiibel
and the Nevada Public Defender get it there.
They aren't likely to hear another case soon that isn't edgy like this,
but the FBI, Homeland Security thugs and their antecedents have been
pushing for more and more government control over citizens,
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> are -- you may need medicating, or you may owe the government money, or

Exactly ... and maybe you are on this "consumer" list:


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Police fudge on ID theft: expert
Kelly Mills
JUNE 22, 2004

REPORTS of increasing identity fraud attacks have been exaggerated by law
enforcement agencies seeking to maintain budgets, according to a former
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Identity fraud attacks, such as phishing, have increased in the past year
as international syndicates target Australian financial institutions.

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 "Leading banks in the UK have adopted new solutions, but it would be less
true in Australia, which has different regulatory drivers."

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VERY large PR campaign in the next 10 days and some very positive news are
expected.

One thing is for SURE so far this year we have not profiled better company 
with real and stable business. Their product is uniqie So take advantage of this!!! We 
Believe this is our best stock pick since August 2003!!

  UPTD*UPTD*UPTD*UPTD*UPTD 

 UPTD is real company producing and distributing very HOT product - The "AirVest" is 
the most revolutionary product to hit the motorsports industry since the helmet. An 
innovation in high quality safety gear the AirVest acts as a wearable airbag in the 
event of an accident, helping to protect the rider's chest and back from impact. 
AirVest is light weight, inflates in milliseconds and is reusable JUST IMAGINE OF THE 
DEMAND FOR SUCH PRODUCT!!!

Breaking News for UPTD:  UPTREND Receives Initial Order

   STRONG BUY! “UPTD” currently trading at $1.20 and is headed to $2.75

Company Profile:
UPTREND Corp
Symbol: UPTD
Current Price: $1.09
Rating: Undervalued
Recommendation: STRONG BUY
http://moneycentral.msn.com/scripts/webquote.dll?ipage=qd&Symbol=UPTD

We Believe the SPECULATIVE NEAR TERM TARGET PRICE is - $2.79
We Believe the SPECULATIVE LONG TERM TARGET PRICE - $3.50

** This is REAL company with real products and its stock is headed up  

  ->>> NEWS  <<<---

 
AUSTIN, Texas, Jun 16, 2004 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- UPTREND Corp. (Pink Sheets:UPTD) 
announced today that it has received an order for 600 AirVests, representing half of 
its initial 1,200 unit order. 

The Company received an order for its patented AirVests from a Dallas-based online and 
mobile retailer. Product is expected to be delivered in the third quarter of 2004 and 
the Company believes that potential exists for additional orders from this customer 
later in the year.

Make Sure You Get This Tuesday Morning It Will Explode All Week!
The Fax Campaign Will Begin Wednesday Evening, Big Results Expected!

http://moneycentral.msn.com/scripts/webquote.dll?ipage=qd&Symbol=UPTD


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Re: [IP] When police ask your name, you must give it, Supreme Court says (fwd from dave@farber.net)

[Justin]

On 2004-06-22T02:52:15-0400, Gabriel Rocha wrote:
> 
>   On Jun 21 2004, Steve Schear wrote:
> | Not a problem.  Its legal to use any name you wish, including those that 
> | use gyphs and sounds which cannot be represented by standard Roman and 
> | non-Roman alphabets (as is common in some African tribes).  So, those that 
> | wish to avoid this data base nightmare can legally adopt name which does 
> | not conform.
> 
> Well, in principle this is a nice "screw you" method. But in practice...
> well, if you have to write down your name because the sound doesn't
> exist or can't be pronounced, you're that much more singled out eh...
> And for those of us who wish to travel, well, passports become difficult
> to manage I suspect. I am quite surprised with this ruling actually (I
> haven't yet read the specifics) but the first impression of it says that
> this does not bode well for opponents of the "War on Terrorism" (tm) or
> for anyone who doesn't like the great big database in the sky...

Yes, we're screwed, but not because of the name requirement.  Soon we will
have to recite our citizenship number whenever a police officer, I mean
pig, is "investigating an investigation" and asks us to identify
ourselves.  The supreme court will uphold that requirement for the same
reason they just upheld the NV law.  The number itself is not
incriminating, and the State has a substantial interest in knowing who you
are -- you may need medicating, or you may owe the government money, or
you may have violated any number of illegitimate laws and therefore need
reeducating in a federal prison.

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Re: [IP] When police ask your name, you must give it, Supreme Court says (fwd from dave@farber.net)

[Justin]

On 2004-06-21T22:38:01-0700, Steve Schear wrote:
> Not a problem.  Its legal to use any name you wish, including those that 
> use gyphs and sounds which cannot be represented by standard Roman and 
> non-Roman alphabets (as is common in some African tribes).  So, those that 
> wish to avoid this data base nightmare can legally adopt name which does 
> not conform.

Don't citizens have to have an english-alphabet transliteration of their
name to use for legal purposes (birth certificate, green card, social
security record)?

Everyone should change their legal names to Agent Smith.

Is there a list of the other 20 states with stop-and-identify laws?

The DMV differentiates same-name people by SSN, right?  Is it very
far-fetched to imagine that state courts and federal appeals courts will
uphold state laws requiring SSN disclosure for identification purposes?
After all, the Supreme Court didn't rule this way for fun; they ruled this
way because they think that citizen have a duty to reveal their identity
to police.  If a name isn't enough to do so, I would think a SSN would be
required.

Maybe the 9th circuit will be safe from mandatory SSN disclosure during
Terry stops, but I doubt any other circuits will be.  The Supremes can't
want to hear another case of this sort in the near future.  They just
cranked up the temperature; if they crank it up again too soon the frogs
may notice they're about to boil.

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"Not your decision to make."
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