Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
Bob enjoys his fantasy world--seems happy in it. :) Sal On Mar 16, 2006, at 11:06 PM, mrfishey2001 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "India is the only country which can assume a parental role for every country of the world with this knowledge of the Veda, with this total knowledge of Natural Law, the Will of God. And everything is possible under the protective nature of the Will of God, invincible God." This the same India whoÕs poverty, discrimination, ignorance and social unrest dictate the common predictors of violence against women? Female infanticide and genital mutilation are generally considered "protective." Wear that swastika proudly Heir Parrot.
[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Why does T/M cost so much] TM mantra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > > > That's cool- I like that...as if the [TM] mantra's home > > is that very subtlest level of discrete thought, just > > preceding no thought or pure awareness. > > While true, isn't *every* perception's "home" the > very subtlest level of thought? > > My feelings about this whole subject of mantras has > been colored by practicing a lot of different tech- > niques, few of which ever use mantras. In many of > them, *anything* can be used as a focus or "starter" > for the meditation, and in my experience, "anything" > works just as well as any mantra. > > I still have the feeling that the mechanism that > allows transcendence is *not* the mantra but the > process of paying attention. What you pay attention > to is irrelevant, because *everything* IS the > transcendent. > > Mantras may make the process of learning that trans- > cendence is possible easier at the beginning, but > once the process has been established, the mantra > is IMO no more effective than meditating on a donut. Having said this, is it possible that the effective- ness of mantras, and much of the lore that has been built up over the centuries about the "proper" mantra and the "proper" means of "transmitting" them is just a process of suggestion? The novice, who has not *noticed* the mind's natural tendency to settle down into its quiescent state, is to some extent "tricked" into noticing that by being told about the near-magical qualities of the mantra (or yantra, or object of visualization, or whatever). The novice meditates on the object, which has been described to him in near-magical terms, as if it had "special" qualities that no other object of focus has, and voila, he transcends. This is just speculation, but it's speculation based on having seen novices transcend immediately using techniques of meditation in which no mantra was used, and in which the object of focus was no more "special" than a sunset, or a candle flame, or the breath, or feeling a particular area of the body. For *all* of them, that first "trigger" of the meditative process soon is associated with near-magical qualities, as if it has special qualities that "allow" meditation, while other objects do not. But if you think about it, *any* object should theoretically be an equally suitable and equally effective trigger for the meditative process. I'm just speculating that the lore about mantras is a function of humans wanting to consider some things in life and some experiences in life "special" and others "not so special." But if we believe the words of those who have realized their full enlight- enment, this isn't true. *Nothing* in life is more "special" or "closer to the transcendent" than any other. The transcendent is equally manifest in everything in creation because creation IS the transcendent. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Why does T/M cost so much] TM mantra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's cool- I like that...as if the [TM] mantra's home > is that very subtlest level of discrete thought, just > preceding no thought or pure awareness. While true, isn't *every* perception's "home" the very subtlest level of thought? My feelings about this whole subject of mantras has been colored by practicing a lot of different tech- niques, few of which ever use mantras. In many of them, *anything* can be used as a focus or "starter" for the meditation, and in my experience, "anything" works just as well as any mantra. I still have the feeling that the mechanism that allows transcendence is *not* the mantra but the process of paying attention. What you pay attention to is irrelevant, because *everything* IS the transcendent. Mantras may make the process of learning that trans- cendence is possible easier at the beginning, but once the process has been established, the mantra is IMO no more effective than meditating on a donut. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
It's a problem in America! Millions of new Americans are getting their pecker whittled since the 1950s to assure they don't grow up to be gay. I primitive beastly ignorant predatory bigotted misguided semi-cannibalistic endeavor! On 3/16/06, shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mrfishey2001" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante wrote:>> "India is the only country > which can assume a parental role for every country of the worldwith> this knowledge of the Veda, with this total knowledge of Natural> Law, the Will of God. And everything is possible under the > protective nature of the Will of God, invincible God.">>> This the same India whoÕs poverty, discrimination, ignorance and> social unrest dictate the common predictors of violence against women?>> Female infanticide and genital mutilation are generally considered> "protective."Is genital mutilation a problem in India? I thought it was only aproblem in the Dark Continent, and only amongst Muslims. Yes, I know that India has many millions of Muslims but I didn't think itwas a part of their tradition in India.>> Wear that swastika proudly Heir Parrot.>> --- > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mass. not ready for Kingsley's house?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante wrote: > > > > > > http://www2.townonline.com/lincoln/opinion/view.bg? articleid=449273 > > > > Interesting. Thanks for posting this one, Bob. > > I would bet the French are not so snippy about McMansions, > given that the country has a long history of castles. Yeah, but many of ours are in good taste. :-) In terms of a house fitting into its environment, personally I always liked the ethos of Santa Fe, which was inherited from the native peoples there. The idea was that it was a travesty to build on the tops of mountains and thus break the natural skyline. This unwritten building code became so predominant in that area that it was finally written into the building codes for Santa Fe. You *can*, after years of lobbying and bribes, get a building permit to build a house on the top of a mountain, such that it breaks the skyline and everybody has to look at it, but it'll cost you about ten times more than if you built it forty feet lower, and allowed it to blend into the mountainside. I like the idea; it's based in humility and not trying to impose human structures on the existing landscape. Some people get it and others don't. Shirley Maclaine rolled into Santa Fe and tried to get permits to build a large house not only on the top of a mountain, but on the top of the local holy mountain. They laughed her out of town. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mrfishey2001" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante wrote: > > "India is the only country > which can assume a parental role for every country of the world with > this knowledge of the Veda, with this total knowledge of Natural > Law, the Will of God. And everything is possible under the > protective nature of the Will of God, invincible God." > > > This the same India whoÕs poverty, discrimination, ignorance and > social unrest dictate the common predictors of violence against women? > > Female infanticide and genital mutilation are generally considered > "protective." Is genital mutilation a problem in India? I thought it was only a problem in the Dark Continent, and only amongst Muslims. Yes, I know that India has many millions of Muslims but I didn't think it was a part of their tradition in India. > > Wear that swastika proudly Heir Parrot. > > --- > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mass. not ready for Kingsley's house?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante wrote: > > > > http://www2.townonline.com/lincoln/opinion/view.bg?articleid=449273 > > Interesting. Thanks for posting this one, Bob. > I would bet the French are not so snippy about McMansions, given that the country has a long history of castles. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: John Nash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark wrote: > > > > Any discussion of John Nash, a cosmic genius in the TM org. or MUM? > > http://nobelprize.org/economics/laureates/1994/nash-autobio.html > > The only comic genuis that I'm aware of that has been in the TM org > has been Andy Kaufman. I once sat through Andy delivering his rap about the film he considered the best movie ever made, more powerful than Citzen Kane. At first I thought it was a put-on, but then I realized he was perfectly serious, and had seen the film literally hundreds of times. And to tell the truth, he made a strong case for why he believed it was such a fine film. The movie was The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mass. not ready for Kingsley's house?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Lincoln, MA is right in my backyard, about fifteen > minutes west of here. Perhaps I should take a drive > out there to visit their new peace palace...I mean, > private residence. > McMansions are stirring up a lot of opposition across the country, undoubtedly in many cases due to plain old jealousy: http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/18/real_estate/monster_home_backlash/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mass. not ready for Kingsley's house?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www2.townonline.com/lincoln/opinion/view.bg?articleid=449273 Interesting. Thanks for posting this one, Bob. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "India is the only country which can assume a parental role for every country of the world with this knowledge of the Veda, with this total knowledge of Natural Law, the Will of God. And everything is possible under the protective nature of the Will of God, invincible God." This the same India whoÕs poverty, discrimination, ignorance and social unrest dictate the common predictors of violence against women? Female infanticide and genital mutilation are generally considered "protective." Wear that swastika proudly Heir Parrot. --- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- Comment on statement below that mantras are naturally on subtle levels. Yes, but only insofar as the names of the "Gods" are present, universally, since the TM mantras are the seed names of the Gods. But going back to Plato, he believed that "Forms" are present naturally as archtypical concepts in the human psyche, a concept brought into modern times by mathematicians, since mathematics is thought to be "already present" in Universal Mind, just awaiting to be discovered, rather than "invented". > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > > For the record, my experience is that the realization > > > > that I was off on a thought is enough to evoke the mantra; > > > > there's no intervening intention to think it. > > > > > > My own belief is that this is ALWAYS the case, but we may not be > > > aware of it, at least at first, due to our inexperience with > > > subtler states of the thinking process. > > > > That's *exactly* what I think. > > To elaborate a bit: I don't think one ever "receives" > a mantra (at least a bija mantra of the kind TM uses). > I think the bija mantras are something like resonant > frequencies of the "sound" of paying attention (or the > "process of observation"), which are always present on > subtle levels of the mind; and that one's attention is > called to one of these frequencies on the gross level > of speech by the teacher when one is initiated. > > To put one's attention on the mantra is thus, in effect, > to pay attention *to the paying of attention*. Or to > put it another way, one is observing the process of > observation itself; the process of observation becomes > the object of observation. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mass. not ready for Kingsley's house?
Lincoln, MA is right in my backyard, about fifteen minutes west of here. Perhaps I should take a drive out there to visit their new peace palace...I mean, private residence. --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 3/16/06 10:31 PM, bmorry2000 at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > My favorite Kingsley Brooks story is still the one > where he has an > > affair with his best friend's wife (the former > Mrs. Mario Orsatti aka > > Leslie) and then divorces his own devoted wife > Kathy to marry > > Leslie! A true movement classic! > > Rajas are meant to have many wives. His true nature > was being stifled by > unenlightened Western mores. > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and > poor with hope and healing > http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference
>From the same friend: We watched the entire press conference today and just as Maharishi seemed about to show his displeasure with the questions by the NYT reporter there was a cut to John asking a question from CNN. So we'll never see how he handled it. My friend said Maharishi was waiving his hands in the air and going on about how superficial the reporter was. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
Comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: **SNIP** > > > > For the record, my experience is that the realization > > > > that I was off on a thought is enough to evoke the mantra; > > > > there's no intervening intention to think it. > > > > > > My own belief is that this is ALWAYS the case, but we may not be > > > aware of it, at least at first, due to our inexperience with > > > subtler states of the thinking process. > > > > That's *exactly* what I think. > > To elaborate a bit: I don't think one ever "receives" > a mantra (at least a bija mantra of the kind TM uses). > I think the bija mantras are something like resonant > frequencies of the "sound" of paying attention (or the > "process of observation"), which are always present on > subtle levels of the mind; and that one's attention is > called to one of these frequencies on the gross level > of speech by the teacher when one is initiated. > > To put one's attention on the mantra is thus, in effect, > to pay attention *to the paying of attention*. Or to > put it another way, one is observing the process of > observation itself; the process of observation becomes > the object of observation. > **END** Very nicely put. And, once one becomes familiar with paying attention to attention (either vis-a-vis this type of meditation or, undoubtedly, many other methods), attention itself (consciousness itself) becomes dominant; or more exactly, becomes consciously dominant. It was dominant all the time, anyway, because without it nothing is. There is a Russian philosopher from the late 19th century (whose name I haven't been able to remember for some time now -- he wasn't translated into English until the early 60s and I didn't read him until sometime in the late 80s and then promptly lost track of the one book of his I had) who, speaking about painting, made the observation that "perception" itself gave pleasure but that the habits of ordinary life dulled the individual's appreciation of their own perception. Painting, he argued, -- Art -- brought the individual into contact with their own act of perception through the intermediary of the artist and the artist's abstraction of the ordinary world perceived. The painting existed in a different reality than the quotidian world of experience and (ideally, at least) forced the viewer into the experience of his own experiencing by the fact that it was different, even though it depicted ordinary objects. Some art can transport the viewer into a more refined awareness, definitely. At some point it seems almost anything and everything can. The Sanskrit term "nilimpa" means "painted one" -- a God. "Yadvare nikhila nilimpa parishad . . ." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mass. not ready for Kingsley's house?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bmorry2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My favorite Kingsley Brooks story is still the one where he has an > affair with his best friend's wife (the former Mrs. Mario Orsatti aka > Leslie) and then divorces his own devoted wife Kathy to marry > Leslie! A true movement classic! > * I don't think you should impute any wrongdoing to Kingsley, as Queensley evidently simply tired of householder life (Kathy went on Mother Divine after she split the sheets with Kingsley), and as far as Leslie, she probably just woke up one morning and realized that she had married Mario!! No harm, no foul. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante wrote: > > > > http://www2.townonline.com/lincoln/opinion/view.bg? articleid=449273 > > > > " The ostensible owners of the property, Kingsley and Leslie > Brooks, > > appeared with their architect from Iowa. They explained that this > move > > to Lincoln means a lot to Kingsley in particular because he's a > > descendant of the original Brooks family (as in the Brooks School, > > Brooks Road, etc.), which owned a big chunk of Lincoln and Concord > > back in the 1600s. Currently living in a 5,800 square-foot house in > > Cambridge, the Brooks family wanted to return to their roots, so > they > > bought the land and...whoa, that's where the fairy tale family > return > > to Lincoln takes a sharp turn. > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna Das to perform in Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I hear Krishna Das will perform in FF on April 20th. > If you're lucky, he'll perform with his daughter, who is a back-up singer for him. She's hot... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mass. not ready for Kingsley's house?
on 3/16/06 10:31 PM, bmorry2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > My favorite Kingsley Brooks story is still the one where he has an > affair with his best friend's wife (the former Mrs. Mario Orsatti aka > Leslie) and then divorces his own devoted wife Kathy to marry > Leslie! A true movement classic! Rajas are meant to have many wives. His true nature was being stifled by unenlightened Western mores. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mass. not ready for Kingsley's house?
My favorite Kingsley Brooks story is still the one where he has an affair with his best friend's wife (the former Mrs. Mario Orsatti aka Leslie) and then divorces his own devoted wife Kathy to marry Leslie! A true movement classic! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www2.townonline.com/lincoln/opinion/view.bg?articleid=449273 > > " The ostensible owners of the property, Kingsley and Leslie Brooks, > appeared with their architect from Iowa. They explained that this move > to Lincoln means a lot to Kingsley in particular because he's a > descendant of the original Brooks family (as in the Brooks School, > Brooks Road, etc.), which owned a big chunk of Lincoln and Concord > back in the 1600s. Currently living in a 5,800 square-foot house in > Cambridge, the Brooks family wanted to return to their roots, so they > bought the land and...whoa, that's where the fairy tale family return > to Lincoln takes a sharp turn. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna Das to perform in Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I hear Krishna Das will perform in FF on April 20th. That's fantastic news! And, yes, his website confirms it: Thursday April 20, 2006 Fairfield, Iowa 8PM (Doors open at 7:30PM) "All One" Concert with Krishna Das Morning Star Studios East side of the Fairfield Town Square (51 South Court Street ) Ticket Price: $18 in advance, $21 at the door (Advance ticket purchase is recommended) For information and tickets - Joy or Lou Bolstere Tel (641) 919-2215 or (641) 472-1872 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] [kdasfairfield at yahoo.com] Remarks: Please bring a cushion or blanket for floor seating. Chair seating will also be available. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From a friend: > > A guy told me at lunch that Maharishi went a bit off when a NY Times > reporter asked why he didn't offer TM free. We didn't see it but plan to > tune in to a replay although it may be edited. Apparently it was pretty > embarrassing. > > -- > > Would be interesting to hear this if Bob or someone can locate it. > ** I didn't see the tape with NYT reporter, but last week I watched MOU live (I don't know the date of the press conference) with a reporter in the MOU studio from a British rag http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/news/thenews.html , David Jones, who asked really dumb questions about the Beatles. I'm guessing they'll give up on bringing in reporters and just stick with selecting questions submitted by email in order to avoid these fiascos. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Krishna Das to perform in Fairfield
I hear Krishna Das will perform in FF on April 20th. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Latest press conference
>From a friend: A guy told me at lunch that Maharishi went a bit off when a NY Times reporter asked why he didn't offer TM free. We didn't see it but plan to tune in to a replay although it may be edited. Apparently it was pretty embarrassing. -- Would be interesting to hear this if Bob or someone can locate it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
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[FairfieldLife] Re: John Nash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Aren't you forgetting King Tony and the Rajas? > > Sal ...but I thought they were just a musical group? King "Tony the King" Tony plays a mean tenor sax, though...and their drummer is awesome! > On Mar 16, 2006, at 4:43 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: > > > The only comic genuis that I'm aware of that has been in the TM org > > has been Andy Kaufman. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 16, 2006, at 1:25 PM, defenders_of_bhakti wrote: > > > The Mantra comes by itself, it goes by itself, > > and it returns by itself,once the awareness of no-mantra came by > > itself. > > And this is linked to the idea of memory, smrti. Interestingly this > same word, smrti, is also the Sanskrit word for mindfulness. Sure, there is a memory of the mantra and the process, otherwise, how could you come back to the mantra? But the memory is not continously held. The whole process of the mantra getting refined is guided by bhudi, the refined intellect/intuition - who distinguishes between different levels of thought/mantra - automatically, i.e. without the involvement of our mind (manas), which would be the agency of interference or manipulation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is TM dhyaanam?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote: > > > > > > > > > Is TM dhyânam, as defined in Maharshi Patañjali's > > > Yoga-darshanam (yoga-suutras)? > > > > > > > I believe that MMY says TM is the simplest and most important form of > > it. > > > > In aSTânga-yoga pratyâhâra is before dhâraNâ and dhyânam, > but IMO in TM pratyâhâra usually "happens" after one has > meditated for a while. That would be in line with MMY's theme of the inverseion of the traditional sequence: Start with samadhi and the rest will follow. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some contemporary writers ¡ª Servando Gonz¨¢lez, for example ¡ª confuse > matters even further by asserting that the right-facing swastika, > used by the Nazis is in fact the "evil" sauwastika.[9] > (Gonz¨¢lez "proves" that the left-facing swastika is the sunwise one > with reference to a 1930's box of Standard fireworks from Sivakasi, > India.) This inversion ¨C whether intentional or not ¨C might derive > from a desire to prove that the Nazi's use of the right-handed > swastika was expressive of their "evil" intent. (See also Taboo in > Western countries.) But the notion that Adolf Hitler deliberately > inverted the "good left-facing" swastika is wholly unsupported by any > historical evidence." > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika Yes, I just had read the complete wiki article afterwards. Anyway, it sort of explains, where the myth is coming from, and I am sure it was spread by the Theosophs later. My hosts in Madras had shown me big eloborate books about the symbols, with long chapters with illustrations and symbolic definitions about the 'correct' swastika. I can't reproduce it here, I didn't read it, I just saw all the pages in the book. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 3/16/06 12:55 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> I know that the swastika has positive connotations. It's on the > > Guru Dev > >> picture that we all did puja to, but not very obvious. But I > > concur with > >> Shemp's observation that displaying it prominently is a risky PR > > move. Kind > >> of like praising Robert Mugabe and Fidel Castro. > >> > > > > No, it's not "kind of like" it; it's worse. > > > > At least Fidel has his fans even in the U.S. Save for a very small > > fringe of neo-nazis and white supremists, there is universal hatred > > for the nazis and their primary symbol, the swaztika. > > I mentioned it was a dumb PR move, but what was I saying? The whole setting > in which the swastika is displayed portrays no concern for or awareness of > PR impact. > *** No concern, because the West does not count (in India, obviously, where there are swastikas everywhere, it's a non-issue). The TMO is going to succeed or fail on the basis of India alone, so the price increases (but not in India), the withdrawal of TM activities in scorpionland, etc., and this swastika thing are signals that the fate of the TMO outside of India, except as a shell of an organization until India does its Vedic revival thing, doesn't matter: In his press conference of 13Apr2005 at mou.org, Maharishi said that "As Indian national consciousness rises in coherence -- which is the basis of invincibility for the nation then world consciousness will rise in coherence which is the basis of permanent world peace...One sun rises, but its innumerable rays spread light everywhere...So it's natural for the influence of coherence to spread from India to the whole world." In the mou.org Press Conference 26 June 2002, Maharishi said: "India is the only country which can assume a parental role for every country of the world with this knowledge of the Veda, with this total knowledge of Natural Law, the Will of God. And everything is possible under the protective nature of the Will of God, invincible God." Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
On Mar 16, 2006, at 1:25 PM, defenders_of_bhakti wrote: > The Mantra comes by itself, it goes by itself, > and it returns by itself,once the awareness of no-mantra came by > itself. And this is linked to the idea of memory, smrti. Interestingly this same word, smrti, is also the Sanskrit word for mindfulness. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 3/16/06 12:55 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> I know that the swastika has positive connotations. It's on the > > Guru Dev > >> picture that we all did puja to, but not very obvious. But I > > concur with > >> Shemp's observation that displaying it prominently is a risky PR > > move. Kind > >> of like praising Robert Mugabe and Fidel Castro. > >> > > > > No, it's not "kind of like" it; it's worse. > > > > At least Fidel has his fans even in the U.S. Save for a very small > > fringe of neo-nazis and white supremists, there is universal hatred > > for the nazis and their primary symbol, the swaztika. > > I mentioned it was a dumb PR move, but what was I saying? The whole setting > in which the swastika is displayed portrays no concern for or awareness of > PR impact. > *** No concern, because the West does not count (in India, obviously, where there are swastikas everywhere, it's a non-issue). The TMO is going to succeed or fail on the basis of India alone, so the price increases (but not in India), the withdrawal of TM activities in scorpionland, etc., and this swastika thing are signals that the fate of the TMO outside doesn't matter: In his press conference of 13Apr2005 at mou.org, Maharishi said that "As Indian national consciousness rises in coherence -- which is the basis of invincibility for the nation then world consciousness will rise in coherence which is the basis of permanent world peace...One sun rises, but its innumerable rays spread light everywhere...So it's natural for the influence of coherence to spread from India to the whole world." In the mou.org Press Conference 26 June 2002, Maharishi said: "India is the only country which can assume a parental role for every country of the world with this knowledge of the Veda, with this total knowledge of Natural Law, the Will of God. And everything is possible under the protective nature of the Will of God, invincible God." Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: John Nash
Aren't you forgetting King Tony and the Rajas? Sal On Mar 16, 2006, at 4:43 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: The only comic genuis that I'm aware of that has been in the TM org has been Andy Kaufman.
[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Why does T/M cost so much] TM mantra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > To elaborate a bit: I don't think one ever "receives" > > a mantra (at least a bija mantra of the kind TM uses). > > I think the bija mantras are something like resonant > > frequencies of the "sound" of paying attention (or the > > "process of observation"), which are always present on > > subtle levels of the mind; and that one's attention is > > called to one of these frequencies on the gross level > > of speech by the teacher when one is initiated. > > > > To put one's attention on the mantra is thus, in effect, > > to pay attention *to the paying of attention*. Or to > > put it another way, one is observing the process of > > observation itself; the process of observation becomes > > the object of observation. > > > That's cool- I like that...as if the [TM] mantra's home is that very > subtlest level of discrete thought, just preceding no thought or > pure awareness. A resonant frequency of the sound of attention. Very > cool! I have no idea if you are 'right', or not, about this, but > experientially it *resonates*. > > I also like the implied compression or one pointedness of the senses > at that subtlest thought level, by engaging our attention, the > mantra focuses all of the senses to their source. > > Also makes sense both from the success some have exerienced using > this technique, and also the side effects some have had, because if > the mantra leads us effortlessly home, to the ground floor of > thought, every level of relative existence will be passed through in > time; every biological layer of experience, down every spiral of > DNA, beyond every neurological 'map' in the brain, surpassing all of > the auric fields around us, every relative state. Great! Thanks! Glad you liked it. I have no idea if it's right either, but it resonates for me as well, and as far as I can tell it's not inconsistent with anything MMY has said about mantras (but then I haven't heard everything he's said about them). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: John Nash
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Any discussion of John Nash, a cosmic genius in the TM org. or MUM? > http://nobelprize.org/economics/laureates/1994/nash-autobio.html > The only comic genuis that I'm aware of that has been in the TM org has been Andy Kaufman. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] John Nash
Any discussion of John Nash, a cosmic genius in the TM org. or MUM? http://nobelprize.org/economics/laureates/1994/nash-autobio.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Mass. not ready for Kingsley's house?
How about Brooks Brothers? Sal On Mar 16, 2006, at 3:57 PM, bbrigante wrote: " The ostensible owners of the property, Kingsley and Leslie Brooks, appeared with their architect from Iowa. They explained that this move to Lincoln means a lot to Kingsley in particular because he's a descendant of the original Brooks family (as in the Brooks School, Brooks Road, etc.)
[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Why does T/M cost so much] TM mantra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > To elaborate a bit: I don't think one ever "receives" > a mantra (at least a bija mantra of the kind TM uses). > I think the bija mantras are something like resonant > frequencies of the "sound" of paying attention (or the > "process of observation"), which are always present on > subtle levels of the mind; and that one's attention is > called to one of these frequencies on the gross level > of speech by the teacher when one is initiated. > > To put one's attention on the mantra is thus, in effect, > to pay attention *to the paying of attention*. Or to > put it another way, one is observing the process of > observation itself; the process of observation becomes > the object of observation. > That's cool- I like that...as if the [TM] mantra's home is that very subtlest level of discrete thought, just preceding no thought or pure awareness. A resonant frequency of the sound of attention. Very cool! I have no idea if you are 'right', or not, about this, but experientially it *resonates*. I also like the implied compression or one pointedness of the senses at that subtlest thought level, by engaging our attention, the mantra focuses all of the senses to their source. Also makes sense both from the success some have exerienced using this technique, and also the side effects some have had, because if the mantra leads us effortlessly home, to the ground floor of thought, every level of relative existence will be passed through in time; every biological layer of experience, down every spiral of DNA, beyond every neurological 'map' in the brain, surpassing all of the auric fields around us, every relative state. Great! Thanks! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Mass. not ready for Kingsley's house?
http://www2.townonline.com/lincoln/opinion/view.bg?articleid=449273 " The ostensible owners of the property, Kingsley and Leslie Brooks, appeared with their architect from Iowa. They explained that this move to Lincoln means a lot to Kingsley in particular because he's a descendant of the original Brooks family (as in the Brooks School, Brooks Road, etc.), which owned a big chunk of Lincoln and Concord back in the 1600s. Currently living in a 5,800 square-foot house in Cambridge, the Brooks family wanted to return to their roots, so they bought the land and...whoa, that's where the fairy tale family return to Lincoln takes a sharp turn. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is TM dhyaanam?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote: > > > > > > Is TM dhyânam, as defined in Maharshi Patañjali's > > Yoga-darshanam (yoga-suutras)? > > > > I believe that MMY says TM is the simplest and most important form of > it. > In aSTânga-yoga pratyâhâra is before dhâraNâ and dhyânam, but IMO in TM pratyâhâra usually "happens" after one has meditated for a while. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Well, salilaM sarvam aa idam?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > For the record, my experience is that the realization > > > that I was off on a thought is enough to evoke the mantra; > > > there's no intervening intention to think it. > > > > My own belief is that this is ALWAYS the case, but we may not be > > aware of it, at least at first, due to our inexperience with > > subtler states of the thinking process. > > That's *exactly* what I think. To elaborate a bit: I don't think one ever "receives" a mantra (at least a bija mantra of the kind TM uses). I think the bija mantras are something like resonant frequencies of the "sound" of paying attention (or the "process of observation"), which are always present on subtle levels of the mind; and that one's attention is called to one of these frequencies on the gross level of speech by the teacher when one is initiated. To put one's attention on the mantra is thus, in effect, to pay attention *to the paying of attention*. Or to put it another way, one is observing the process of observation itself; the process of observation becomes the object of observation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > > wrote: > > > > [I wrote:] > > > > > > > > When the discussion started, the issue was (1). Vaj > > > > > had claimed that TMATBMMY required effort. Lawson > > > > > and I were disputing that claim. > > > > > > > > > > Vaj said: > > > > > > > > > > > I like Asanga's definition of mindfulness which shows how > > > > > > appropriate the description is in regards to manasika- > japa/TM: > > > > > > > > > > > > "What is mindfulness? The non-forgetfulness of the mind with > > > > > > respect to a familiar object, having the function of non- > > > > > > distraction." > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of manasika-japa/TM the global > > > > > > conditioned 'familiarity' is with the mantra and "non- > > > > > > distraction" would refer to the vyuttana or outward, > > > > > > distracted tendency of the "outward stroke". Since this so > > > > > > precisely and accurately applies, what else need be said? > > > > > > One gains mindfulness through the practice of TM. > > > One gains non-forgetfulness through the practice of TM. > > > > Exactly. In the context of TM, the quote would apply > > as a DEscription, not a PREscription. > > > > > Experiencing subltle states of the mantra, requires the letting > go > > > of effort. > > > > However, this should not be understood to mean > > that we make an effort to let go! > > > > > We don't pound the mantra. We don't mind if the mantra fades > > > or slips away. We take it as it comes. > > > We don't mind if the mind is off on a thought; when we realize we > > > are off on a thought, we quietly come back to the mantra. Just > the > > > intention to "think" the mantra is enough. We never have to think > > > the mantra 'clearly'. > > > > For the record, my experience is that the realization > > that I was off on a thought is enough to evoke the mantra; > > there's no intervening intention to think it. > > My own belief is that this is ALWAYS the case, but we may not be > aware of it, at least at first, due to our inexperience with > subtler states of the thinking process. That's *exactly* what I think. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks DM. I found this interesting: > > "from Collation of Theosophical Glossaries: SWASTIKA > > As differentiated from the swavastika (or sauvastika), which is > similar but which has its legs take off from the ends of the cross to > the right, left-handed (motion), implying counter-clockwise direction > -- counter to the currents of Nature -- the swastika has legs which > take off from the ends of the cross to the left, right-handed > (motion), implying clockwise direction -- and therefore 'with' the > currents of Nature. The symbol which Hitler used for the Nazi party > was actually a swavastika (or sauvastika)." > > http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/ctg/swas.htm "The name sauwastika is sometimes given for the supposedly "evil", left-facing, form of the swastika ( d). A common myth is that the left-facing swastika is generally regarded as evil in Hindu tradition. This is because the much more common form in India is the right-facing swastika. Indians of all faiths sometimes use the symbol in both orientations - mostly for symmetry. Buddhists (outside India) generally use the left-facing swastika over the right-facing swastika although, again, both can be used. Despite this, the misconception that the left-facing swastika is evil is widespread, even among some contemporary Indian communities. Some contemporary writers ¡ª Servando Gonz¨¢lez, for example ¡ª confuse matters even further by asserting that the right-facing swastika, used by the Nazis is in fact the "evil" sauwastika.[9] (Gonz¨¢lez "proves" that the left-facing swastika is the sunwise one with reference to a 1930's box of Standard fireworks from Sivakasi, India.) This inversion ¨C whether intentional or not ¨C might derive from a desire to prove that the Nazi's use of the right-handed swastika was expressive of their "evil" intent. (See also Taboo in Western countries.) But the notion that Adolf Hitler deliberately inverted the "good left-facing" swastika is wholly unsupported by any historical evidence." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dharma Mitra" > wrote: > > > > It truly seems that some of these messages, full of clarifying > information > > for discreminating adults, is zooming right past the attention span of > > some. Here are some links shared in this thread, again: > > > > http://reclaimtheswastika.com/ > > > > http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefsswastika.h tm > > > > http://www.manwoman.net/swastika/index.html > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > We don't pound the mantra. We don't mind if the mantra fades > > > or slips away. We take it as it comes. > > > We don't mind if the mind is off on a thought; when we realize we > > > are off on a thought, we quietly come back to the mantra. Just the > > > intention to "think" the mantra is enough. We never have to think > > > the mantra 'clearly'. > > > > For the record, my experience is that the realization > > that I was off on a thought is enough to evoke the mantra; > > there's no intervening intention to think it. > > IOW you are NOT DOING it - you realize it's just HAPPENING BY ITSELF, > once you have started. The Mantra comes by itself, it goes by itself, > and it returns by itself,once the awareness of no-mantra came by > itself. That, I suppose is your experience - spontaneaus meditation, > just happening by itself. Yup. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > I asked you whether you "think" that it should be the TMO > that > > > > > takes the lead on this... > > > > > > > > You asked whether I "really" thought this--and > > > > reiterated the "really." The implication was that you > > > > assumed that's what I was thinking and were astounded > > > > that anybody could think such an idiotic thing. > > > > > > > > Start over again and ask me *without* that implied > > > > assumption, and I'll be happy to respond. > > > > > > > > > > Nah, I've lost interest. > > > > > > Your response is like a woman you're about to make love to who > then > > > insists upon going to the bathroom to do who knows what and she's > > > in there for so long that the moment is ruined and the boner is > > > long gone... > > > > Does it ever occur to you that she might be sending > > you a message about the quality of your attempts at > > foreplay? > > > > What's foreplay? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Philisophical point: is it possible for someone in CC to practice > anything OTHER THAN Transcendental Meditation? Completely depends on your definition of TM: If you define TM from the result, i.e. transcending, then he is doing it. If you define it from the POV of spontaneity, that is, all meditation that is completely spontaneaus is TM, then he is doing it all the time. If you define it from its technicalites, like using a specific Mantra etc, doing it 20 min twice a day, he's probably not doing it most of the time. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > What's foreplay? > > > > > > There is a British TV comedy series (sadly defunct) > > > that I've come to love called "Coupling." For some > > > reason, Shemp's comment (and the comment recently > > > about dick size) reminds me of a scene from one of > > > the shows. > > > > > > One male character is standing at a urinal, looking > > > down with obvious dismay at the...uh...apparatus of > > > a second male character, who is standing beside him. > > > Trying to recover from his shock at the size differ- > > > ential, the first guy says to the second, "Well...it's > > > not as if that stuff matters...what is it that women > > > say about men's penises?" > > > > > > The second guy says, "Ouch?" > > > > > > :-) > > > > Of course, you can find pictures on the web of guys who dwarf even > > the largest of porn stars. Why are they not porn stars themselves? > > Cause no female porn star is going to attempt multiple "takes" > > with them... > > > > "Ouch" is an understatement in some cases, I suspect. > > In Amsterdam I saw a postcard of a fellow who had > a *knot* tied in his. Really. No fake photography. > > Forget the women saying "Ouch"...if this fellow ever > got an erection, would he have enough blood left in > his body to support brain functions and stay conscious? :-) > Women can handle any *length* since the guy isn't *required* to get close to her (John Holmes had that problem to some extent)-- it's the girth that becomes an issue. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dharma Mitra" > > wrote: > > > > > > Yes, Yes, Oh Yeee Don't stop, oh noo, > > > don't stop, Yess, Noo, Ooohhh Yee!!! > > > Uh, Aaahhh, Uuuuhh Ysss > > > > That's not foreplay; that's faking orgasm. :-) > > Not always... Yeah...that's what all guys believe... :-) > > > On 3/16/06, shempmcgurk wrote: > > > > > > > > What's foreplay? > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > What's foreplay? > > > > There is a British TV comedy series (sadly defunct) > > that I've come to love called "Coupling." For some > > reason, Shemp's comment (and the comment recently > > about dick size) reminds me of a scene from one of > > the shows. > > > > One male character is standing at a urinal, looking > > down with obvious dismay at the...uh...apparatus of > > a second male character, who is standing beside him. > > Trying to recover from his shock at the size differ- > > ential, the first guy says to the second, "Well...it's > > not as if that stuff matters...what is it that women > > say about men's penises?" > > > > The second guy says, "Ouch?" > > > > :-) > > Of course, you can find pictures on the web of guys who dwarf even > the largest of porn stars. Why are they not porn stars themselves? > Cause no female porn star is going to attempt multiple "takes" > with them... > > "Ouch" is an understatement in some cases, I suspect. In Amsterdam I saw a postcard of a fellow who had a *knot* tied in his. Really. No fake photography. Forget the women saying "Ouch"...if this fellow ever got an erection, would he have enough blood left in his body to support brain functions and stay conscious? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > What's foreplay? > > There is a British TV comedy series (sadly defunct) > that I've come to love called "Coupling." For some > reason, Shemp's comment (and the comment recently > about dick size) reminds me of a scene from one of > the shows. > > One male character is standing at a urinal, looking > down with obvious dismay at the...uh...apparatus of > a second male character, who is standing beside him. > Trying to recover from his shock at the size differ- > ential, the first guy says to the second, "Well...it's > not as if that stuff matters...what is it that women > say about men's penises?" > > The second guy says, "Ouch?" > > :-) > I like the one about the guy who picks a woman up at a bar, brings her home, and starts to seduce her. He takes her clothes off and she then proceeds to take his clothes off. At the point where she takes his underpants off, she looks down at his member and says: "Who do you think you're going to satisfy with that little thing?" And he says: "Me!" Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > What's foreplay? > > There is a British TV comedy series (sadly defunct) > that I've come to love called "Coupling." For some > reason, Shemp's comment (and the comment recently > about dick size) reminds me of a scene from one of > the shows. > > One male character is standing at a urinal, looking > down with obvious dismay at the...uh...apparatus of > a second male character, who is standing beside him. > Trying to recover from his shock at the size differ- > ential, the first guy says to the second, "Well...it's > not as if that stuff matters...what is it that women > say about men's penises?" > > The second guy says, "Ouch?" > > :-) > Of course, you can find pictures on the web of guys who dwarf even the largest of porn stars. Why are they not porn stars themselves? Cause no female porn star is going to attempt multiple "takes" with them... "Ouch" is an understatement in some cases, I suspect. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
Having trouble in that area are you, Shemp? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your response is like a woman you're about to make love to who then > insists upon going to the bathroom to do who knows what and she's in > there for so long that the moment is ruined and the boner is long > gone... > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dharma Mitra" > wrote: > > > > Yes, Yes, Oh Yeee Don't stop, oh noo, > > don't stop, Yess, Noo, Ooohhh Yee!!! > > Uh, Aaahhh, Uuuuhh Ysss > > That's not foreplay; that's faking orgasm. :-) Not always... > > > On 3/16/06, shempmcgurk wrote: > > > > > > What's foreplay? > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > We don't pound the mantra. We don't mind if the mantra fades > > > or slips away. We take it as it comes. > > > We don't mind if the mind is off on a thought; when we realize we > > > are off on a thought, we quietly come back to the mantra. Just the > > > intention to "think" the mantra is enough. We never have to think > > > the mantra 'clearly'. > > > > For the record, my experience is that the realization > > that I was off on a thought is enough to evoke the mantra; > > there's no intervening intention to think it. > > IOW you are NOT DOING it - you realize it's just HAPPENING BY ITSELF, > once you have started. The Mantra comes by itself, it goes by itself, > and it returns by itself,once the awareness of no-mantra came by > itself. That, I suppose is your experience - spontaneaus meditation, > just happening by itself. > Philisophical point: is it possible for someone in CC to practice anything OTHER THAN Transcendental Meditation? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [...] > Nah, I've lost interest. > > Your response is like a woman you're about to make love to who then > insists upon going to the bathroom to do who knows what and she's in > there for so long that the moment is ruined and the boner is long > gone... > Dude, this sounds like a personal problem... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > wrote: > > [I wrote:] > > > > > > When the discussion started, the issue was (1). Vaj > > > > had claimed that TMATBMMY required effort. Lawson > > > > and I were disputing that claim. > > > > > > > > Vaj said: > > > > > > > > > I like Asanga's definition of mindfulness which shows how > > > > > appropriate the description is in regards to manasika- japa/TM: > > > > > > > > > > "What is mindfulness? The non-forgetfulness of the mind with > > > > > respect to a familiar object, having the function of non- > > > > > distraction." > > > > > > > > > > In the case of manasika-japa/TM the global > > > > > conditioned 'familiarity' is with the mantra and "non- > > > > > distraction" would refer to the vyuttana or outward, > > > > > distracted tendency of the "outward stroke". Since this so > > > > > precisely and accurately applies, what else need be said? > > > > One gains mindfulness through the practice of TM. > > One gains non-forgetfulness through the practice of TM. > > Exactly. In the context of TM, the quote would apply > as a DEscription, not a PREscription. > > > Experiencing subltle states of the mantra, requires the letting go > > of effort. > > However, this should not be understood to mean > that we make an effort to let go! > > > We don't pound the mantra. We don't mind if the mantra fades > > or slips away. We take it as it comes. > > We don't mind if the mind is off on a thought; when we realize we > > are off on a thought, we quietly come back to the mantra. Just the > > intention to "think" the mantra is enough. We never have to think > > the mantra 'clearly'. > > For the record, my experience is that the realization > that I was off on a thought is enough to evoke the mantra; > there's no intervening intention to think it. > My own belief is that this is ALWAYS the case, but we may not be aware of it, at least at first, due to our inexperience with subtler states of the thinking process. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
Reading the posts that the links came with will clarify which direction is the most auspicious for those who take spiritual science literally and act upon and with the yantra. Petty flauntulosis is at the shallow end of a muudy pool, cessantly. On 3/16/06, defenders_of_bhakti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks DM. I found this interesting:"from Collation of Theosophical Glossaries: SWASTIKA As differentiated from the swavastika (or sauvastika), which issimilar but which has its legs take off from the ends of the cross tothe right, left-handed (motion), implying counter-clockwise direction-- counter to the currents of Nature -- the swastika has legs which take off from the ends of the cross to the left, right-handed(motion), implying clockwise direction -- and therefore 'with' thecurrents of Nature. The symbol which Hitler used for the Nazi partywas actually a swavastika (or sauvastika)." http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/ctg/swas.htm--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dharma Mitra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> It truly seems that some of these messages, full of clarifyinginformation> for discreminating adults, is zooming right past the attention span of> some. Here are some links shared in this thread, again: >> http://reclaimtheswastika.com/>> http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefsswastika.htm >> http://www.manwoman.net/swastika/index.html>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
Thanks DM. I found this interesting: "from Collation of Theosophical Glossaries: SWASTIKA As differentiated from the swavastika (or sauvastika), which is similar but which has its legs take off from the ends of the cross to the right, left-handed (motion), implying counter-clockwise direction -- counter to the currents of Nature -- the swastika has legs which take off from the ends of the cross to the left, right-handed (motion), implying clockwise direction -- and therefore 'with' the currents of Nature. The symbol which Hitler used for the Nazi party was actually a swavastika (or sauvastika)." http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/ctg/swas.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dharma Mitra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It truly seems that some of these messages, full of clarifying information > for discreminating adults, is zooming right past the attention span of > some. Here are some links shared in this thread, again: > > http://reclaimtheswastika.com/ > > http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefsswastika.htm > > http://www.manwoman.net/swastika/index.html > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
on 3/16/06 12:00 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > It is not appropriate in MMY's and the TMO's case because they > assert that they are a universal movement promoting a universal > technique for everyone. In light of that, they must be sensitive to > the effect certain symbols have...and, fair or not, the swaztika has > a very negative connotation in certain quarters. Vlodrop is not far from the German border. It was occupied by the Nazis during WWII and the big building there was used as some sort of troop quarters or storage building. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dharma Mitra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes, Yes, Oh Yeee Don't stop, oh noo, > don't stop, Yess, Noo, Ooohhh Yee!!! > Uh, Aaahhh, Uuuuhh Ysss That's not foreplay; that's faking orgasm. :-) > On 3/16/06, shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > What's foreplay? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
Yes, Yes, Oh Yeee Don't stop, oh noo, don't stop, Yess, Noo, Ooohhh Yee!!! Uh, Aaahhh, Uuuuhh Ysss On 3/16/06, shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What's foreplay? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healinghttp://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM~-> To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Flourishingly,Dharma MitraDharmaMitra2 AT gmail.comHelping you "Say It With Panache!"Because, how you say it can be, and often is, as important as what you want to convey, and what you have to say is very important to you. http://PROUT-Ananlysis-Synthesis.latest-info.com Copywriting - Editing - Publishing - Publicity Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Only such persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a menace to society. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What's foreplay? There is a British TV comedy series (sadly defunct) that I've come to love called "Coupling." For some reason, Shemp's comment (and the comment recently about dick size) reminds me of a scene from one of the shows. One male character is standing at a urinal, looking down with obvious dismay at the...uh...apparatus of a second male character, who is standing beside him. Trying to recover from his shock at the size differ- ential, the first guy says to the second, "Well...it's not as if that stuff matters...what is it that women say about men's penises?" The second guy says, "Ouch?" :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > We don't pound the mantra. We don't mind if the mantra fades > > or slips away. We take it as it comes. > > We don't mind if the mind is off on a thought; when we realize we > > are off on a thought, we quietly come back to the mantra. Just the > > intention to "think" the mantra is enough. We never have to think > > the mantra 'clearly'. > > For the record, my experience is that the realization > that I was off on a thought is enough to evoke the mantra; > there's no intervening intention to think it. IOW you are NOT DOING it - you realize it's just HAPPENING BY ITSELF, once you have started. The Mantra comes by itself, it goes by itself, and it returns by itself,once the awareness of no-mantra came by itself. That, I suppose is your experience - spontaneaus meditation, just happening by itself. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
It truly seems that some of these messages, full of clarifying information for discreminating adults, is zooming right past the attention span of some. Here are some links shared in this thread, again: http://reclaimtheswastika.com/ http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefsswastika.htm http://www.manwoman.net/swastika/index.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika On 3/16/06, authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote:> >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"> > wrote:>> > > I asked you whether you "think" that it should be the TMO that> > > takes the lead on this... > >> > You asked whether I "really" thought this--and> > reiterated the "really." The implication was that you> > assumed that's what I was thinking and were astounded > > that anybody could think such an idiotic thing.> >> > Start over again and ask me *without* that implied> > assumption, and I'll be happy to respond.> >>> Nah, I've lost interest. >> Your response is like a woman you're about to make love to who then> insists upon going to the bathroom to do who knows what and she's> in there for so long that the moment is ruined and the boner is > long gone...Does it ever occur to you that she might be sendingyou a message about the quality of your attempts atforeplay? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > wrote: > > >> > > I asked you whether you "think" that it should be the TMO that > > > > takes the lead on this... > > > > > > You asked whether I "really" thought this--and > > > reiterated the "really." The implication was that you > > > assumed that's what I was thinking and were astounded > > > that anybody could think such an idiotic thing. > > > > > > Start over again and ask me *without* that implied > > > assumption, and I'll be happy to respond. > > > > > > > Nah, I've lost interest. > > > > Your response is like a woman you're about to make love to who then > > insists upon going to the bathroom to do who knows what and she's > > in there for so long that the moment is ruined and the boner is > > long gone... > > Does it ever occur to you that she might be sending > you a message about the quality of your attempts at > foreplay? > What's foreplay? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > It is not appropriate in MMY's and the TMO's case because they > > assert that they are a universal movement promoting a universal > > technique for everyone. In light of that, they must be sensitive > > to the effect certain symbols have...and, fair or not, the > > swaztika has a very negative connotation in certain quarters. > > As does "Damn democracy" and "Britain is Scorpionland." > They're just showing *consistent* sensitivity. :-) > I actually think it's a conspiracy on the part of the American Chiropractors Association. All of these incidents and declarations coming out of the TMO cause so much head-shaking and eye-rolling that it's causing a lot of kinks and soreness that is keeping their waiting rooms full. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It is not appropriate in MMY's and the TMO's case because they > assert that they are a universal movement promoting a universal > technique for everyone. It hasn't been incorporated into the TM Loga yet, I suppose. Part of the TMO's message is universal, but another part has a strong Indian appeal (doing yagyas etc) The use of religious symbols as the swastika is just in the same category. > In light of that, they must be sensitive to > the effect certain symbols have...and, fair or not, the swaztika has > a very negative connotation in certain quarters. You are right, one should be sensitive in certain areas, you CAN'T have it displayed in Germany, I certainly would not have it displayed publicly in Israel. But I am against banning it per se. Check out, there are Jains worldwide, they all have the swastika on their Logo on every publication. The Theosophs have it as well, long before Hitler, and left-facing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: >> > > I asked you whether you "think" that it should be the TMO that > > > takes the lead on this... > > > > You asked whether I "really" thought this--and > > reiterated the "really." The implication was that you > > assumed that's what I was thinking and were astounded > > that anybody could think such an idiotic thing. > > > > Start over again and ask me *without* that implied > > assumption, and I'll be happy to respond. > > > > Nah, I've lost interest. > > Your response is like a woman you're about to make love to who then > insists upon going to the bathroom to do who knows what and she's > in there for so long that the moment is ruined and the boner is > long gone... Does it ever occur to you that she might be sending you a message about the quality of your attempts at foreplay? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It is not appropriate in MMY's and the TMO's case because they > assert that they are a universal movement promoting a universal > technique for everyone. In light of that, they must be sensitive > to the effect certain symbols have...and, fair or not, the > swaztika has a very negative connotation in certain quarters. As does "Damn democracy" and "Britain is Scorpionland." They're just showing *consistent* sensitivity. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > on 3/16/06 12:55 AM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote: > > >> > > >> I know that the swastika has positive connotations. It's on the > > > Guru Dev > > >> picture that we all did puja to, but not very obvious. But I > > > concur with > > >> Shemp's observation that displaying it prominently is a risky PR > > > move. Kind > > >> of like praising Robert Mugabe and Fidel Castro. > > >> > > > > > > No, it's not "kind of like" it; it's worse. > > > > > > At least Fidel has his fans even in the U.S. Save for a very small > > > fringe of neo-nazis and white supremists, there is universal hatred > > > for the nazis and their primary symbol, the swaztika. > > > > I mentioned it was a dumb PR move, but what was I saying? The whole > setting > > in which the swastika is displayed portrays no concern for or > awareness of > > PR impact. > > In Germany, there is no question of it, it is simply forbidden by law > to display it. In India I see it everywhere, on every shop etc.Its > supposed to be a luck bringing symbol, the way it is painted. I > personally think it should not be tabood. Maharishi is Indian, the > movement has strong Indian undercurrents, why make it a big issue? It > just depends on the context it appears in. If you make sure it's > meaning not mistaken, if it is clear that a Nazi association is not > implied, what's wrong then. I'm sure that there are indian Ammaji > publications which also contain the Swastika. Its just so much in use > in India. > It is not appropriate in MMY's and the TMO's case because they assert that they are a universal movement promoting a universal technique for everyone. In light of that, they must be sensitive to the effect certain symbols have...and, fair or not, the swaztika has a very negative connotation in certain quarters. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > > > > > > I'm in favor of reclaiming it from Hitler and restore > > > > > it to its original significance. I don't think he > > > > > should be accorded the power to have appropriated it > > > > > to his evil purposes permanently. > > > > > > > > ...and do you really think that it should be the TMO that takes > > > > the lead on this? Really? The TMO should take on the > > > > responsibility to bring the swaztika to its original > > > > significance? > > > > > > I don't believe I said anything to that effect, > > > Shemp. Did you imagine I did? > > > > No, and that's why I asked you whether you think that it was > > so...if you had SAID it, I wouldn't have had to ask you whether you > > THOUGHT it, would I, because it would be right there in black and > > white for all to read? > > Shemp, the way you phrased your question indicated > you *assumed* that's what I was thinking. It wasn't > a request for information. I'm just pointing out > that nothing in what I said suggested what you assumed. > > Further, it was a *rhetorical* question that implied > what you think the "right" answer should be, and that > the right answer was *not* what I was thinking. > > > I asked you whether you "think" that it should be the TMO that > > takes the lead on this... > > You asked whether I "really" thought this--and > reiterated the "really." The implication was that you > assumed that's what I was thinking and were astounded > that anybody could think such an idiotic thing. > > Start over again and ask me *without* that implied > assumption, and I'll be happy to respond. > Nah, I've lost interest. Your response is like a woman you're about to make love to who then insists upon going to the bathroom to do who knows what and she's in there for so long that the moment is ruined and the boner is long gone... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [I wrote:] > > > > When the discussion started, the issue was (1). Vaj > > > had claimed that TMATBMMY required effort. Lawson > > > and I were disputing that claim. > > > > > > Vaj said: > > > > > > > I like Asanga's definition of mindfulness which shows how > > > > appropriate the description is in regards to manasika-japa/TM: > > > > > > > > "What is mindfulness? The non-forgetfulness of the mind with > > > > respect to a familiar object, having the function of non- > > > > distraction." > > > > > > > > In the case of manasika-japa/TM the global > > > > conditioned 'familiarity' is with the mantra and "non- > > > > distraction" would refer to the vyuttana or outward, > > > > distracted tendency of the "outward stroke". Since this so > > > > precisely and accurately applies, what else need be said? > > One gains mindfulness through the practice of TM. > One gains non-forgetfulness through the practice of TM. Exactly. In the context of TM, the quote would apply as a DEscription, not a PREscription. > Experiencing subltle states of the mantra, requires the letting go > of effort. However, this should not be understood to mean that we make an effort to let go! > We don't pound the mantra. We don't mind if the mantra fades > or slips away. We take it as it comes. > We don't mind if the mind is off on a thought; when we realize we > are off on a thought, we quietly come back to the mantra. Just the > intention to "think" the mantra is enough. We never have to think > the mantra 'clearly'. For the record, my experience is that the realization that I was off on a thought is enough to evoke the mantra; there's no intervening intention to think it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
When the discussion started, the issue was (1). Vaj had claimed that TMATBMMY required effort. Lawson and I were disputing that claim. Vaj said: > I like Asanga's definition of mindfulness which shows how > appropriate the description is in regards to manasika-japa/TM: > > "What is mindfulness? The non-forgetfulness of the mind with > respect to a familiar object, having the function of non- > distraction." > > In the case of manasika-japa/TM the global conditioned 'familiarity' > is with the mantra and "non-distraction" would refer to the > vyuttana or outward, distracted tendency of the "outward stroke". > Since this so precisely and accurately applies, what else need be > said? One gains mindfulness through the practice of TM. One gains non-forgetfulness through the practice of TM. Experiencing subltle states of the mantra, requires the letting go of effort. We don't pound the mantra. We don't mind if the mantra fades or slips away. We take it as it comes. We don't mind if the mind is off on a thought; when we realize we are off on a thought, we quietly come back to the mantra. Just the intention to "think" the mantra is enough. We never have to think the mantra 'clearly'. The whole practice of TM is to develope mindfulness of the whole process, inward stroke and refining of the mantra, outward stroke- realizing we're off on a thought and just the intention of coming back to the mantra. And the experience of no mantra/no thought- non- forgetfulness of pure consciousness or the "Light of God", a term Maharishi has been using lately, harmonizing with the Christian teaching of the "Kingdom of Heaven Within. Also, the sychrony of brain function, left and right hemispheres, becoming in sync, provides the whole brain functioning that produces the experience of mindfulness, the experience of non-forgetfullness... Eckart Tolle mentions some simple techniques in his writings also; He says just being aware the energy flowing through the body, or just being aware of the breath- he says the whole point is to bring the attention away from the mind- to just innocently watch the breath- how it just goes by itself, or to just feel the energy in the body. Feeling the body is also an instruction of Maharishi's, when there is an overpowering thought, and it's difficult to think the mantra effortlessly; and that allowing the attention to be drawn to an area of the body which seems to be the source of the tension of release, can facilitate the release of the unwinding of the physical area or emotion held there... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 16, 2006, at 10:13 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > Note that to start with, Vaj had claimed that "focus" > > was the "official" movement translation of "dharana." > > When I asked where this official translation was to be > > found, he switched to claiming "steadiness" was the > > term TMers used for "dharana." When I said this was > > nonsense, he produces a quote, apparently intending to > > suggest he is documenting the use of "steadiness" as > > a translation of "dharana," when it isn't a translation > > to begin with and doesn't even refer to meditation. > > No, merely commenting on your belief that the word steadiness was > not used in connection with tm/tmers. If that's in fact what you were commenting on, you were commenting on your own hallucination. I never said or suggested any such thing. > He may or may not be referring to dharana in this instance--I > don't really care--it certainly fits experientially for those > familiar with this state of steadiness and inner focus. However he > clearly uses that word in his own translation of the yoga-sutra of > Patanjali as a description of dharana. In connection with the TM-Sidhis, not plain-vanilla TM, as I already pointed out. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > That's just your cult paranoia shining through. :-) > > > > > > Or yours. > > > > Well, dude...I'm not the one up at 3:44 a.m. ranting > > on the Internet, feeling obviously threatened just > > because someone has proposed a different theory about > > meditation than the one he believes in... :-) > > Huh. The fact that Ihave trouble sleeping at night is construed as a > sign of what? Cult paranoia? OK, sure. This discussion is making *me* sleepy, and it's 11:50 in the morning... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: St. Bernadette
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://monywa.org/only/lourdes.htm > > i hope i look this good when i'm 122 years old. There are people who don't look as good when 122, but are still more alive. There are even many who don't look as good when they are 20. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > Q: The guru is Frederick Lenz/Rama, and most of the > > > students in the hall are black belts in some form of > > > martial arts: > > > A: "Well, that was interesting...now that the police have > > > taken those terrorist guys away to the hospital, what were > > > we talking about? Oh yeah, Unity..." > > > > > > :-) :-) :-) > > > > > > Different strokes for different folks... > > > > Or else he could have said: > > > > A: "Well, why don't you kill me right away, then I don't > > have to do it anymore myself. I'll become a marthyr > > instead of an lunatic suicider" > > And this is written by the guy who has written hundreds > of lines lately whining about people (primarily me) > criticizing his chosen spiritual path? :-) :-) :-) > > Look, dude...just for the record, you really CAN'T > get under my skin and push my buttons by ragging on > Rama. But it's dead easy to get under your skin and push the button that initiates your "You really can't get under my skin and push my buttons" mantra. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > They don't have to accept ANY dogma about TM, but if they start > > assigning greater significance to one set of experiences over > > another, then by definition, they are no longer practicing TM. > > ONLY if they act on it. "Assigning greater significance to one set of experiences over another" *IS* acting on it. "Assigning" is an action, dude. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [Lawson wrote:] > > Nope, but I argue that theory and practice during TM > > are inseparable. > > In other words, in your opinion, belief in the > theory of how TM works is *essential* for it to > be practiced properly. Did I get this right? Barry, *collect yourself*, for pete's sake. Lawson went on immediately to say *no* theory was necessary to practice TM properly: > > You can practice TM without ANY kind of theory, but > > any acceptable theory from a TM technique perspective > > needs to explain things in terms of the practice -- > > that is, the innocence of the technique. > > But it's just THEORY, man. And, according to the > very way TM is taught, *not* essential to the > proper practice of TM. Right, THAT'S WHAT LAWSON JUST SAID: YOU CAN PRACTICE TM WITHOUT ANY KIND OF THEORY. (Just BTW, that you can practice TM without any kind of theory *is part of the theory*.) > In every TM lecture they > emphasize that you don't have to believe in > *anything* for TM to work properly. And yet here > you are stating the opposite...that "proper belief" > is *essential* to practicing it properly. Nope, wrongaroonie. You aren't paying attention, as usual. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Second, did you miss the fact that my quote regarding > Rama was a JOKE, appended to another JOKE? Why did you get so serious about it then? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > [...] > > > > Except, of course, I'm only talking about TM. > > > > > > So? You have a *theory* as to what constitutes an > > > effective meditation session. that *theory* just > > > "happens" to be the same one that was TOLD to you > > > by your TM teachers. Vaj has a different theory. > > > You tried to imply that this means he "never really > > > learned TM." > > > > > > You really *don't* GET this, do you? > > > > I don't think YOU "get" it: when a technique is meant > > to be easy, innocent, etc., theories that portray one > > set of experiences as being better than another set, > > detract from the *innocence* of the technique. > > ONLY if one ACTS on those theories. Otherwise, > they're just theories. > > Your position seems to be that a person who > believes as we do has NO CHOICE but to act > on them. It would be virtually impossible not to "act" on them, i.e., to exert some subtle effort to have *this* experience rather than *that* experience during meditation. In fact, you would have to exert effort *not* to exert effort. And your further theory seems to > be that a TMer *has* to believe all the dogma > and theory that was taught to them about TM > to be "really" practicing TM. They don't. To practice TM as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, you have to follow the instructions given by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, one of which is not to value one experience over another. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-light-emitting TMers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > Well, I guess you can now claim that TM leads to > > LESS "enlightenment" since TMers showed significantly fewer > > spontaneous emmissions of photons from their skin than non-TMers in > > this newly published study: > > They ought to rerun this study on a blinded basis, > i.e., see if blinded researchers can distinguish the > TM subjects from the controls simply on the basis of > the amount of emissions. > I think the emissions records would have to be output in braille forthis to work. Besides, it was a very dark room anyway, so being blind or not shouldn't have mattered... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 3/16/06 12:55 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> I know that the swastika has positive connotations. It's on the > > Guru Dev > >> picture that we all did puja to, but not very obvious. But I > > concur with > >> Shemp's observation that displaying it prominently is a risky PR > > move. Kind > >> of like praising Robert Mugabe and Fidel Castro. > >> > > > > No, it's not "kind of like" it; it's worse. > > > > At least Fidel has his fans even in the U.S. Save for a very small > > fringe of neo-nazis and white supremists, there is universal hatred > > for the nazis and their primary symbol, the swaztika. > > I mentioned it was a dumb PR move, but what was I saying? The whole setting > in which the swastika is displayed portrays no concern for or awareness of > PR impact. In Germany, there is no question of it, it is simply forbidden by law to display it. In India I see it everywhere, on every shop etc.Its supposed to be a luck bringing symbol, the way it is painted. I personally think it should not be tabood. Maharishi is Indian, the movement has strong Indian undercurrents, why make it a big issue? It just depends on the context it appears in. If you make sure it's meaning not mistaken, if it is clear that a Nazi association is not implied, what's wrong then. I'm sure that there are indian Ammaji publications which also contain the Swastika. Its just so much in use in India. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > sure, whatever. But once you start assigning value > > judgements to one set of experiences over another, > > you're no longer practicing TM. > > Read my lips: I NO LONGER PRACTICE TM. :-) Non sequitur/straw man. *If* one assigns value judgments to one set of experiences over another, one is no longer practicing TM. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: St. Bernadette
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://monywa.org/only/lourdes.htm > > i hope i look this good when i'm 122 years old. I saw Mary Magdalene's skull in a cathedral in the south of France. By comparison, Mary's definitely looked better than she does now. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > There's a difference. Believing in a different theory > > > doesn't mean that the other person is flawed, or that > > > they didn't hear and understand the same things you > > > did when you were listening to the TM teachers who > > > were parroting what they were told to say. It just > > > means that the other person has chosen not to take > > > what they were told as some kind of cosmic truth, the > > > *only* way that things could be described. Vaj is > > > expressing an opinion; he's entitled to that opinion. > > > And *his* opinion has no effect whatsoever on you > > > or your own opinions unless you allow it to. > > > > Sure, whatever, but once you start assigning value > > judgements to one particular experience over another, > > you're no longer practicing TM. > > NOT NECESSARILY. Yes, NECESSARILY. TM as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi does not involve assigning value judgments to one particular experience over another. Vaj, as far as I know, DOES NOT > PRACTICE TM. Neither do I. What we believe about > meditation and what makes a meditation session > effective doesn't affect TM in the slightest. Non sequitur/straw man, as is the rest of your rant. Nobody suggested that what you and Vaj believe affects TM. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 3/16/06 12:37 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > > > > Actually I think Maharsihi would ask to be taken to the best > > surgeon/hospital available to have his fingers reattached - and that > > would be the most sensible action for all of the above. > > Also, those terrorist bandits would have a hard time getting on courses for > a long time. Unless they became millionaires. ROFLOL, that was the best one! You know I really thought once, that this may have been his way to keep CIA (in the paranoia of it) out of positions, because, would the Government spend really that much money to infiltrate the movement? Prolly not. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] St. Bernadette
http://monywa.org/only/lourdes.htm i hope i look this good when i'm 122 years old. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-light-emitting TMers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, I guess you can now claim that TM leads to > LESS "enlightenment" since TMers showed significantly fewer > spontaneous emmissions of photons from their skin than non-TMers in > this newly published study: They ought to rerun this study on a blinded basis, i.e., see if blinded researchers can distinguish the TM subjects from the controls simply on the basis of the amount of emissions. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > On Mar 15, 2006, at 11:36 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Huh, but one can have the "outward stroke" for the full > > > > > > 20 minutes of TM practice and still be practicing TM > > > > > > absolutely correctly. > > > > > > > > > > Good luck with that! > > > > > > > > So Judy and I have been correct: you really never learned TM, > > > > regardless of what classes/courses you took on the subject. > > > > > > So you believe that to have "learned TM" properly, > > > you have to believe all the *dogma* about TM that > > > was taught to you? > > > > > > That's what you're saying, in effect. What you've > > > just said isn't about the mechanics of TM, but > > > about what you were told in the lectures *about* > > > TM. It's THEORY. Vaj has a *different* theory, > > > based on his subsequent experience. I think that > > > in the biz, that's known as an OPINION. :-) > > > > Theoretical or not, I was taught that that particular experience > > during TM practice was just as valid as any other. Vaj was > > implying (and later clarified) that its not a good experience. > > Or possibly not the most effective experience. Yes, > he did. And that is his OPINION, based on experience > with TM and with other techniques, and with a wide > range of teachings. Him believing that does NOT > imply that he "really never learned TM." > > Do you GET this, man? He could have learned exactly > as you did, believed it for years, and then *changed > his mind*, coming to a different conclusion, right? Two different issues are getting confused here: (1) what TM as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi involves, and (2) to what degree TMATBMMY is effective. When the discussion started, the issue was (1). Vaj had claimed that TMATBMMY required effort. Lawson and I were disputing that claim. Vaj said: > I like Asanga's definition of mindfulness which shows how > appropriate the description is in regards to manasika-japa/TM: > > "What is mindfulness? The non-forgetfulness of the mind with > respect to a familiar object, having the function of non- > distraction." > > In the case of manasika-japa/TM the global conditioned 'familiarity' > is with the mantra and "non-distraction" would refer to the > vyuttana or outward, distracted tendency of the "outward stroke". > Since this so precisely and accurately applies, what else need be > said? Vaj *appeared* to be saying here that TMATBMMY required "mindfulness," in the sense of exerting effort not to "forget" the mantra, suggesting this so obviously applies to TMATBMMY that nothing else need be said. At this point Lawson noted that according to TMATBMMY, it was perfectly OK to be lost in thought throughout the TM session--in other words, that "mindfulness" does *not* apply to TMATBMMY. Vaj's "Good luck with that" response either (A) meant that being lost in thought was *not* OK per TMATBMMY, or (B) that practicing TMATBMMY was not going to produce results as good as those from a technique involving "mindfulness." (A) would simply be incorrect; (B) would be a non sequitur, or at best a change of subject, a different issue entirely from that of whether TMATBMMY involves effort. (B) would *also* appear to be an admission on Vaj's part that his "mindfulness" quote does *not* apply to TMATBMMY, completely contrary to his earlier assertion that the quote "precisely and accurately applies." In saying Vaj never learned TM properly, Lawson was assuming Vaj meant (A), not (B). *You*, Barry, are assuming that Lawson understood Vaj to be saying (B) and are chastising him for insisting that TM "dogma" is *correct*, when he was merely pointing out what TM "dogma" IS. You make this mistake ALL THE TIME. > > > Are you so weak in your *own* practice that you > > > have to suggest that anyone who doesn't believe > > > the same dogma you believe is "doing TM wrong?" > > > > What dogma? The dogma that says that any ole experience > > during TM practice is as good as any other? > > YES!!! That is dogma. You were TAUGHT this. WE, as > TM teachers, taught it to you. It isn't necessarily > Truth, with a capital 'T.' It's just what we were > taught to say. I believed it at the time, when I said > it. I no longer do. That doesn't mean that I "really > never learned TM." Do you GET this distinction? It might well mean you never learned TMATBMMY properly. It might well mean you believed the "dogma," but because you weren't *experiencing* effortlessness, not having quite gotten the knack of it, you later decided the "dogma" that TM is effortless was wrong. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples r
[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > > > > > Q: The guru is Frederick Lenz/Rama, and most of the > > > > students in the hall are black belts in some form of > > > > martial arts: > > > > A: "Well, that was interesting...now that the police have > > > > taken those terrorist guys away to the hospital, what were > > > > we talking about? Oh yeah, Unity..." > > > > > > > > :-) :-) :-) > > > > > > > > Different strokes for different folks... > > > > > > Or else he could have said: > > > > > > A: "Well, why don't you kill me right away, then I don't > > > have to do it anymore myself. I'll become a marthyr > > > instead of an lunatic suicider" > > > > And this is written by the guy who has written hundreds > > of lines lately whining about people (primarily me) > > criticizing his chosen spiritual path? :-) :-) :-) > > > > Look, dude...just for the record, you really CAN'T > > get under my skin and push my buttons by ragging on > > Rama. Anything you could possibly say I've dealt with > > years ago. And even if I hadn't, IT'S NOT MY JOB to > > defend the dude. He's DAID, ferchrssakes. Even if he > > weren't, IT'S *STILL* NOT MY JOB to defend him. You > > are entitled to your opinion, however nasty and mean- > > spirited it may be. :-) > > > > This would seem to be the difference between you and > > me. When I intellectually challenge bhakti (not even > > your teacher), you interpret that as a personal attack > > against you, get majorly uptight, and overreact to the > > max. When you decide to trash the teacher I studied > > with, I can laugh about it and *not* react. > > > > On the whole, I'd rather be me than you. > > Methinks you doth protest too much... Only to the hypocrisy of t3rinity's posts, not to the slam on Rama. You think Maharishi gets criticized? You don't know the half of it. :-) I may still love the dude, *despite* all the nasty things he did to me personally and many of my fellow students, but it's really neither my job nor my interest to defend him or say only pleasant things about him. Check out my recent comment about Mr. Can't Keep His Dick In His Pants' "depth" of knowledge. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > He may or may not be referring to dharana in this instance--I don't > really care--it certainly fits experientially for those familiar with > this state of steadiness and inner focus. However he clearly uses > that word in his own translation of the yoga-sutra of Patanjali as a > description of dharana. Where does he do this? It is actually helpful if you can trace such > movement buzzwords to their original Sanskrit, as it can tell you a > lot more, esp. since they are often used in rather nebulous ways. > Perhaps it can, but again, where does he use "steadiness of mind" when translating dharana? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That doesn't say anything about the effectivness of > the > > > > > > > > technique, though of course *I* believe that the > innocent > > > > > > > > technique IS more effective than the non-innocent one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have NO PROBLEM with you believing this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, I suspect you do, but whatever. > > > > > > > > > > That's just your cult paranoia shining through. :-) > > > > > > > > Or yours. > > > > > > Well, dude...I'm not the one up at 3:44 a.m. ranting > > > on the Internet, feeling obviously threatened just > > > because someone has proposed a different theory about > > > meditation than the one he believes in... :-) > > > > Huh. The fact that Ihave trouble sleeping at night is > > construed as a sign of what? Cult paranoia? OK, sure. > > I've heard that insomnia is often a side effect > of lack of focus in meditation. > > Joke, dude. Joke. > > ;-) > Actually, in Tm terms, it might be the other way around: lack of proper sleep can lead to dullness in meditation... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 15, 2006, at 7:00 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 15, 2006, at 6:13 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I'm familiar with it in the context of the TM-Sidhis. > > > > > > Where is this "official movement translation of the > > > > > > term" to be found in the context of plain-vanilla TM? > > > > > > > > > > "Steadiness" is a popular TMer word for dharana. > > > > > > > > Vaj, you're blowing it out your nether regions. > > > > > > Hey it's Mahesh's trans., not mine, take it up with his nether > > > regions! > > > > > > "Absolute bliss being always there, the experience of happiness > > > thus depends upon the degree of steadiness of mind." -MMY > > > > > > More focus of mind might just make you happier Judy. Try it! > > > > Is this a translation of a Sanskrit phrase where "steadiness of > > mind" means dharana? > > It isn't even a translation; it's from MMY's commentary > on the Gita II:66, as Bob noted. The term "dharana" > occurs nowhere in the verse he's commenting on. > > And in this specific sentence, in context, MMY isn't > referring to meditation but the *fruit* of meditation > in activity. > > Note that to start with, Vaj had claimed that "focus" > was the "official" movement translation of "dharana." > When I asked where this official translation was to be > found, he switched to claiming "steadiness" was the > term TMers used for "dharana." When I said this was > nonsense, he produces a quote, apparently intending to > suggest he is documenting the use of "steadiness" as > a translation of "dharana," when it isn't a translation > to begin with and doesn't even refer to meditation. > > And he's accusing me of lacking "focus of mind"? > Gotcha (now what were we talking about?*) *ADHD reference goes here. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > Q: The guru is Frederick Lenz/Rama, and most of the > > > students in the hall are black belts in some form of > > > martial arts: > > > A: "Well, that was interesting...now that the police have > > > taken those terrorist guys away to the hospital, what were > > > we talking about? Oh yeah, Unity..." > > > > > > :-) :-) :-) > > > > > > Different strokes for different folks... > > > > Or else he could have said: > > > > A: "Well, why don't you kill me right away, then I don't > > have to do it anymore myself. I'll become a marthyr > > instead of an lunatic suicider" > > And this is written by the guy who has written hundreds > of lines lately whining about people (primarily me) > criticizing his chosen spiritual path? :-) :-) :-) > > Look, dude...just for the record, you really CAN'T > get under my skin and push my buttons by ragging on > Rama. Anything you could possibly say I've dealt with > years ago. And even if I hadn't, IT'S NOT MY JOB to > defend the dude. He's DAID, ferchrssakes. Even if he > weren't, IT'S *STILL* NOT MY JOB to defend him. You > are entitled to your opinion, however nasty and mean- > spirited it may be. :-) > > This would seem to be the difference between you and > me. When I intellectually challenge bhakti (not even > your teacher), you interpret that as a personal attack > against you, get majorly uptight, and overreact to the > max. When you decide to trash the teacher I studied > with, I can laugh about it and *not* react. > > On the whole, I'd rather be me than you. > Methinks you doth protest too much... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That doesn't say anything about the effectivness of the > > > > > > > technique, though of course *I* believe that the innocent > > > > > > > technique IS more effective than the non-innocent one. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have NO PROBLEM with you believing this. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, I suspect you do, but whatever. > > > > > > > > That's just your cult paranoia shining through. :-) > > > > > > Or yours. > > > > Well, dude...I'm not the one up at 3:44 a.m. ranting > > on the Internet, feeling obviously threatened just > > because someone has proposed a different theory about > > meditation than the one he believes in... :-) > > Huh. The fact that Ihave trouble sleeping at night is > construed as a sign of what? Cult paranoia? OK, sure. I've heard that insomnia is often a side effect of lack of focus in meditation. Joke, dude. Joke. ;-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Sexy Sadie Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Maybe Ramtha himself can tell something about Maharishi. > > If Ramtha's GrandMother could come up with this kind of story, I wonder what Ramtha would cook up.? > Yeah, I missed the Ramtha association. Of course, what the bleep do *I* know? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > That doesn't say anything about the effectivness of the > > > > > > technique, though of course *I* believe that the innocent > > > > > > technique IS more effective than the non-innocent one. > > > > > > > > > > I have NO PROBLEM with you believing this. > > > > > > > > Actually, I suspect you do, but whatever. > > > > > > That's just your cult paranoia shining through. :-) > > > > Or yours. > > Well, dude...I'm not the one up at 3:44 a.m. ranting > on the Internet, feeling obviously threatened just > because someone has proposed a different theory about > meditation than the one he believes in... :-) > Huh. The fact that Ihave trouble sleeping at night is construed as a sign of what? Cult paranoia? OK, sure. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika
on 3/16/06 12:55 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> I know that the swastika has positive connotations. It's on the > Guru Dev >> picture that we all did puja to, but not very obvious. But I > concur with >> Shemp's observation that displaying it prominently is a risky PR > move. Kind >> of like praising Robert Mugabe and Fidel Castro. >> > > No, it's not "kind of like" it; it's worse. > > At least Fidel has his fans even in the U.S. Save for a very small > fringe of neo-nazis and white supremists, there is universal hatred > for the nazis and their primary symbol, the swaztika. I mentioned it was a dumb PR move, but what was I saying? The whole setting in which the swastika is displayed portrays no concern for or awareness of PR impact. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus
on 3/16/06 12:37 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> > > Actually I think Maharsihi would ask to be taken to the best > surgeon/hospital available to have his fingers reattached - and that > would be the most sensible action for all of the above. Also, those terrorist bandits would have a hard time getting on courses for a long time. Unless they became millionaires. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
