Re: lyrics - vertical position

2012-04-05 Thread luis jure

on 2012-04-05 at 16:36 m...@apollinemike.com wrote:

>There's always extra-offset, but it's kludgy.

using

\override LyricText #'extra-offset = #'(0.0 . 2.0)

before that line of text, and

\revert LyricText #'extra-offset

after it, i got the correct spacing.

i don't know what makes extra-offset kludgy, but it sure was my friend on
this one... (after all, kludgy comes from the german word klug...)


best,


lj

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Re: lyrics - vertical position

2012-04-05 Thread luis jure

on 2012-04-05 at 16:36 m...@apollinemike.com wrote:

>There's always extra-offset, but it's kludgy.  Could you send an image of
>the line you're talking about?  It may be a bug if the markups force the
>lyrics down too low.

hi mike, i sent a tiny image in my previous mail, here's attached the
whole fragment. the problematic line is the first one. please note that
the lyrics are much more separated from the staff than in the other two
lines. this is caused by the markups on the a16 at the end of the line
(lyrics "time").

note also that doing away with the markups the lyrics regain its proper
distance (2nd image).

the code of the markups is the following:


\shapeSlur  #'(0 0  -.3 -1.2  .9 -1.5  0.5 -0.3)
\once \override TextScript #'extra-offset = #'(0 . 5)
a16
-\markup {
\postscript #"0.2 setlinewidth
1   setlinecap
1.8 -9  moveto
3 -9.7  lineto
4.2 -9  lineto
stroke" }
-\markup {
\override #'(font-name . "Emmentaler")
\fontsize #1
\halign #-12
\char ##xe11a }


thanks for your attention,


lj

(BTW, i wouldn't mind some "kludgy" code if i could get a quick and dirty
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Re: partcombine - whole note : slash on grace note

2012-04-05 Thread Christ van Willegen
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 13:40, Frank Steinmetzger  wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 06:21:00AM -0700, MING TSANG wrote:
>> Blessing in+,
>
> Blessing in plus?

I think it refers to the 'cross' symbol that the Catholic people use
when they say 'the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit,
Amen'

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Re: Another tricky music situation. This time: Repeat Nightmare with alternative endings.

2012-04-05 Thread James
Hello,

On 5 April 2012 15:42, Nils  wrote:
> Am Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:31:48 +0100
> schrieb James :
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> On 5 April 2012 15:20, Nils  wrote:
>> > Hello list,
>> >
>> > Maybe you have an opinion about this musical situation, described
>> > here: http://www.nilsgey.de/2012/04/05/nightmare-repeats/
>> >
>> > In my eyes it should be forbidden. The real cause it that
>> > alternative endings use the same glyph as boundary as repeats: the
>> > repeat close barline. Better would be a glyph that is explicitely
>> > and only for the first/second ending bracket, but well.. we don't
>> > got that over the last few hundred years.
>>
>> better would be to write out in full, it's not like we need to worry
>> about the cost of parchment is it ;)
>>
>> Why muck about like this in the first place?
>>
>> James
>>
>
> I is somehow my (future) Job as music theorist to think about these
> problems. At least I want to think about it.
>
> Writing your music down in a correct way helps the intpreter to play
> better and the composer to think better.
>
> There are many strange and inconsequent things in music notation. If
> you know them you can avoid them and make your music or score clearer.
> This is where Lilypond comes in because I use it to create scores :)

Isn't this just the old adage, 'Just because we can, doesn't mean we
should'. I cannot think what problem this is solving. or how it is
adding to the music in any way at all.

Otherwise you simply add a note saying to go back to repeat X instead of Y.

I think your example is far too short to get the point across.

Maybe there could be some piece where you start at A got Z repeat back
to B got to Y repeat back to C and so on, in ever decreasing
'circles', that may be something a 'modern' composer might do. Or even
me come to think of it. :)

But then you'd just label your repeat bars.

regards

James

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Re: Another tricky music situation. This time: Repeat Nightmare with alternative endings.

2012-04-05 Thread Nils
Am Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:31:48 +0100
schrieb James :

> Hello,
> 
> On 5 April 2012 15:20, Nils  wrote:
> > Hello list,
> >
> > Maybe you have an opinion about this musical situation, described
> > here: http://www.nilsgey.de/2012/04/05/nightmare-repeats/
> >
> > In my eyes it should be forbidden. The real cause it that
> > alternative endings use the same glyph as boundary as repeats: the
> > repeat close barline. Better would be a glyph that is explicitely
> > and only for the first/second ending bracket, but well.. we don't
> > got that over the last few hundred years.
> 
> better would be to write out in full, it's not like we need to worry
> about the cost of parchment is it ;)
> 
> Why muck about like this in the first place?
> 
> James
> 

I is somehow my (future) Job as music theorist to think about these
problems. At least I want to think about it.

Writing your music down in a correct way helps the intpreter to play
better and the composer to think better.

There are many strange and inconsequent things in music notation. If
you know them you can avoid them and make your music or score clearer.
This is where Lilypond comes in because I use it to create scores :)

Nils

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Re: lyrics - vertical position

2012-04-05 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On Apr 5, 2012, at 1:24 PM, luis jure wrote:

> 
> for some reason, the presence of the markups forces the lyrics down too far
> away from the staff (see image).
> 
> is there a way to adjust the vertical position of lyrics locally?
> 
> 

There's always extra-offset, but it's kludgy.  Could you send an image of the 
line you're talking about?  It may be a bug if the markups force the lyrics 
down too low.

Cheers,
MS


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Re: Another tricky music situation. This time: Repeat Nightmare with alternative endings.

2012-04-05 Thread James
Hello,

On 5 April 2012 15:20, Nils  wrote:
> Hello list,
>
> Maybe you have an opinion about this musical situation, described here:
> http://www.nilsgey.de/2012/04/05/nightmare-repeats/
>
> In my eyes it should be forbidden. The real cause it that alternative
> endings use the same glyph as boundary as repeats: the repeat close
> barline. Better would be a glyph that is explicitely and only for the
> first/second ending bracket, but well.. we don't got that over the
> last few hundred years.

better would be to write out in full, it's not like we need to worry
about the cost of parchment is it ;)

Why muck about like this in the first place?

James

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Another tricky music situation. This time: Repeat Nightmare with alternative endings.

2012-04-05 Thread Nils
Hello list,

Maybe you have an opinion about this musical situation, described here:
http://www.nilsgey.de/2012/04/05/nightmare-repeats/

In my eyes it should be forbidden. The real cause it that alternative
endings use the same glyph as boundary as repeats: the repeat close
barline. Better would be a glyph that is explicitely and only for the
first/second ending bracket, but well.. we don't got that over the
last few hundred years.

Nils 

 


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Re: Score layout in a separate file

2012-04-05 Thread David Raleigh Arnold
On Tue, 2012-04-03 at 15:17 +0200, Siska Ádám wrote:
> Dear List,
> 
> 
> is there a way to put the layout block for a score in a variable that lives 
> in a separate file? Unfortunately the following won't compile:
> 

This does something similar:

http://www.openguitar.com/files/slyce.py

Regards, daveA



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Re: partcombine - whole note : slash on grace note

2012-04-05 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 06:21:00AM -0700, MING TSANG wrote:
> Mark,
> 
> I try as suggested.  The print seems to suggest no voice two.   When I just
> extract voice two (the bass) there is no midi sound for the s1~ s1.   This
> is not what I want.

When I encounter this, I use tags. In your case:

notes = relative c' {
...
\tag #'pdf { s1 s1 }
\tag #'midi { g1~ g }
}

This needs separate scores for PDF and MIDI output. The former then uses
\keepWithTag #'pdf \notes, and the latter \keepwithTag #'midi \notes.

> Blessing in+,

Blessing in plus?
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lyrics - vertical position

2012-04-05 Thread luis jure

hello list,

i have some code with two markups on a note (one of them postscript code),
and some tweaks including \once \override TextScript #'extra-offset and
\shapeSlur.

for some reason, the presence of the markups forces the lyrics down too far
away from the staff (see image).

i studied an example from the notation manual (2.1.2 Techniques specific
to lyrics - Placing lyrics vertically), but i can only make it work at the
\layout level, thus affecting the whole score.

i only need to adjust the position of this particular line, to compensate
the displacement caused by the markups. 

is there a way to adjust the vertical position of lyrics locally?


TIA,


lj

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