Re: link to download Linux stepbystep site ?

2002-03-22 Thread Net Llama

Sorry about that, thanks for pointing it out.  Should be fixed now. 
Please let me know if you have any more problems.

thanks,
Lonni

--- Mike McKinlay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Folks:
>  I'm having trouble downloading the "complete site" of the step by
> step web 
> site using the link at the bottom og the main frame, it still points
> to the 
> old linux.nf server. Any idea when this will be available again? 
>thanks,
>   Mike

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Re: css as a better replacement

2002-03-22 Thread M.W.Chang

I wanted to take the chance to learn html and css. I am total idiot ont
hese new toys. so css is the way to go. thanks.

> In all fairness, if you're talking about stuff you're submitting to the
> SxS... don't worry about it. Just mark it up, and the editors will
> format/tidy/etc as needed. that's what they are there for ;)

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More Steps: March 23

2002-03-22 Thread Mike Andrew

 Distros->Reviews->Gentoo (Collins Richey) (broken link fixed)
Editors->WordPerfect 8 on Debian/KDE2.2x ( Martin Zuithof)

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link to download Linux stepbystep site ?

2002-03-22 Thread Mike McKinlay

Folks:
 I'm having trouble downloading the "complete site" of the step by step web 
site using the link at the bottom og the main frame, it still points to the 
old linux.nf server. Any idea when this will be available again? 
   thanks,
  Mike
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Re: Where is linux.nf ?

2002-03-22 Thread Norbert Augenstein

Hi,
take a look at:
www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/dns.html 
again.
there is a warning, the forwarders entry in named.conf 127.0.0.1 will not 
work. you should change this IP to a name server at your uplink.
I have never set up DNS so i cant help you.
maybe take a look at www.isc.org or ask [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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> I've forwarded this message from Hafiz as I don't have the time to help him
> out. Please COPY [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your replies. Thanks!
>
> --- begin forwarded msg ---
> I need your help on DNS. I have a dedicated servers currently hosted at New
>  York. We have around 82 blocks of IP's assign to us and we decide to run a
>  DNS server as well. Our domain is powertrips.org and I have register it at
>  register.com.
>
> The problem is I try to setup a DNS server in it (Our server is running on
>  FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE) but is seems it cannot answer any query on
>  www.powertrips.org, admin.powertrips.org and other subdomain I configure.
>  Why ? But for DNS1.powertrips.org it works fine. Can you look into this ?
>  Well I cant deny that Im a newbie in DNS thinggie.
>
> Attached here is the file configuration that I think you may need to look
> at if there is any mistake in it.
>
> Please advise. Hope to hear from you soon.
>
> Thank You.
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Re: Linux Games In Web Store?

2002-03-22 Thread Net Llama

Well, the only Linux games company that i ever knew of was Loki, and
they went under last month.

--- Matthew Carpenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sorry for cross-listing this, but I don't recall where this info came
> from.  A while back I followed a link which I'm pretty sure I got off
> here... and I ended up at some pretty knock-out game titles for Linux,
> each about $8-$10!  Well, now I'm trying to figure out where it was
> and can't!  Konqueror's history doesn't seem to have it (if I even am
> on the right machine), and Netscape doesn't have it in it's history. 
> I'm at a loss and I really wanted to buy some games!

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Re: OT: Feds want to drop protection of privacy regarding medical data

2002-03-22 Thread edj

On Fri 22 March 2002 02:33 pm, Andrew Mathews wrote:
> edj wrote:
> 
>
> > The US Constitution limits only the government, not private parties.
> > Thus, while the US government would need a warrant to recover my
> > "papers and effects", my doctor could disseminate my records to
> > whomever he wished, absent statutory prohibition.  The Bush
> > administration wishes to amend the statute.  No constitutional
> > prohibition, I'm afraid.
> >
> > --
>
> How so? I can't simply sieze documents belonging to you, anymore than a
> doctor, attorney, private company or anyone else can sieze anything
> that's considered a private record. Explicit permission has to be given
> for such, such as a release consent, or warrant, regardless of the
> pursuer's belonging to a government or private sector. Items of public
> record that are available freely are not considered to be *private* as
> are personal records, papers, and other things. 

No, you can't - but only because the legislature, or Bar Association says 
you can't.  __Not__ because the Constitution says you can't

As an employee of the
> Supreme Court of New Mexico, though many records are available on a
> public case lookup, there's specific prohibitions against me
> disseminating those elsewhere, even though they're public documents and
> I'm a private individual, let alone disseminating private information.

Huh??  A "public case"  - by which I assume you mean court records - can 
be gotten just by showing up the the clerk's office and requesting it.  
You can copy it, too - at exorbitant rates, usually.

> Just because an individual or company doesn't fall under the category of
> a government entity doesn't negate the right of an individual to be
> protected from the dissemination of private information. Kevin Mitnick
> spent a *long* time in prison for taking something he had no permission
> or granted right to take (source code from Nokia and Sun) and was
> considered a private record or effect and had no statutory prohibition,
> e.g. no law stating that Nokia or Sun couldn't distribute their source
> code without permission. Without the amendment's language there's no
> defining line between theft and borrowing, legal and illegal, private
> and public. The application of it provides equal protection, regardless
> of the pursuer, government or private sector, though it's been distorted
> sometimes to fit the situation as necessary.

Kevin Mitnick broke the law - he didn't violate the Constitution.
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Re: OT: Feds want to drop protection of privacy regarding medical data

2002-03-22 Thread edj

On Fri 22 March 2002 02:07 pm, David A. Bandel wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:49:11 -0500
>
> begin  edj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed forth:
> >
> > The US Constitution limits only the government, not private parties.
> > Thus, while the US government would need a warrant to recover my
> > "papers and effects", my doctor could disseminate my records to
> > whomever he wished, absent statutory prohibition.  The Bush
> > administration wishes to amend the statute.  No constitutional
> > prohibition, I'm afraid.
>
> Not true.  The doctor can't do that.  You do, under laws and under
> precedent set by those laws to a "reasonable right to privacy".  The
> doctor does _not_ have the right to disseminate that information to
> third parties without your consent, but this is not a consitutional
> protection. If the doctor gave those records to the newspapers (who say
> they have a right to it) and it was published, you could prosecute the
> doctor if he didn't have your permission.  But just the doctor, not the
> newspaper.  You have the right to own a gun, but not the right to do
> with it as you will. Try shooting someone on the street and see what
> happens.

Uhhh - that's what I said - it's statutory authority that protects privacy 
against disclosure by ordinary citizens.  My point is just that the US 
Constitution doesn't forbid any actions except governmental ones.  Well, 
there is one provision of the Constitution that does, indeed, apply to 
private parties.  Wanna guess which?

> I don't really want to start a "reasonable right to privacy" debate,
> because those are generally settled in court on a case-by-case basis. 
> And what is reasonable to one judge often is not to another (and of
> course that changes based on the circumstances).

There's no debate here = we agree.  

Well, there is one provision of the Constitution that does, indeed, apply 
to private parties.  Wanna guess which?
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Linux Games In Web Store?

2002-03-22 Thread Matthew Carpenter

Sorry for cross-listing this, but I don't recall where this info came from.  A while 
back I followed a link which I'm pretty sure I got off here... and I ended up at some 
pretty knock-out game titles for Linux, each about $8-$10!  Well, now I'm trying to 
figure out where it was and can't!  Konqueror's history doesn't seem to have it (if I 
even am on the right machine), and Netscape doesn't have it in it's history.  I'm at a 
loss and I really wanted to buy some games!

Thanks!
Matt

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Re: More SxS steps for March 22

2002-03-22 Thread Douglas J Hunley

Net Llama spewed electrons into the ether that assembled into:
> BROWSERS-> Mozilla (Doug Hunley)

this is a "how to compile from source, and install all those purdy plugins" 
piece. please review, test, send additions..
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Re: Gentoo

2002-03-22 Thread Douglas J Hunley

Collins spewed electrons into the ether that assembled into:
> > opinions here?

gentoo rocks. got the guys at work installing it just this week.

> can choose from ext2, ext3, and Reiserfs for your filesystems.

there's only one correct choice in that list. can you guess it? :)

> N.B. Depending on the speed of your PC, you're looking at a 2 day to 1
> week install period to get everything compiled.  It took me about 3
> days, and I have full gnome, kde, etc.  You will be happiest if you have
> a high speed internet connection, since all sources are downloaded on
> the fly from the authoratative ftp site for each.

also, make sure you can rsync through your firewall. otherwise, you're 
screwed. I've been bringing laptops home every night this week just to run 
the rsync portion of the setup cause the firewall at work won't allow it. :(

>
> In the future, gentoo will probably offer CD sets and binary
> distributions, but that's still in the future.

worthless, IMNSHO. the current method is best. makes you learn what the fsck 
is going on with your setup. also optimizes it for your hardware (if I had a 
dollar for every time a new linux convert asked me why everything said 386 
when he/she has a Thunderbird or P3...)
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Re: css as a better replacement

2002-03-22 Thread Douglas J Hunley

M.W.Chang spewed electrons into the ether that assembled into:
> you have a better alternative? can I learn it:
> sxs is using  + character entities.
> I am looking for an exact replacement for 

it won't be for long. I'm rewriting most of the HTML as we speak in a total 
site redesign. Strict adherance to the HTML 4.0 spec removes all the 
"formating" tags (bold, font, etc). That is what CSS is for.
I quick solution is to format the HTML like you normally would (PRE and 
everything) and then run it through tidy. It will output 4.0 compliant code

In all fairness, if you're talking about stuff you're submitting to the 
SxS... don't worry about it. Just mark it up, and the editors will 
format/tidy/etc as needed. that's what they are there for ;)
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Where is linux.nf ?

2002-03-22 Thread Hafiz

I've forwarded this message from Hafiz as I don't have the time to help him 
out. Please COPY [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your replies. Thanks!

--- begin forwarded msg ---
I need your help on DNS. I have a dedicated servers currently hosted at New
 York. We have around 82 blocks of IP's assign to us and we decide to run a
 DNS server as well. Our domain is powertrips.org and I have register it at
 register.com.

The problem is I try to setup a DNS server in it (Our server is running on
 FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE) but is seems it cannot answer any query on
 www.powertrips.org, admin.powertrips.org and other subdomain I configure.
 Why ? But for DNS1.powertrips.org it works fine. Can you look into this ?
 Well I cant deny that Im a newbie in DNS thinggie.

Attached here is the file configuration that I think you may need to look at
 if there is any mistake in it.

Please advise. Hope to hear from you soon.

Thank You.






FILE NAME : /etc/namedb/named.root
;   This file holds the information on root name servers needed to
;   initialize cache of Internet domain name servers
;   (e.g. reference this file in the "cache  .  "
;   configuration file of BIND domain name servers).
;
;   This file is made available by InterNIC registration services
;   under anonymous FTP as
;   file/domain/named.root
;   on server   FTP.RS.INTERNIC.NET
;   -OR- under Gopher atRS.INTERNIC.NET
;   under menu  InterNIC Registration Services (NSI)
;  submenu  InterNIC Registration Archives
;   filenamed.root
;
;   last update:Aug 22, 1997
;   related version of root zone:   1997082200
; $FreeBSD: src/etc/namedb/named.root,v 1.9 1999/09/13 17:09:08 peter Exp $
;
; formerly NS.INTERNIC.NET
;
.360  IN  NSA.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.  360  A 198.41.0.4
;
; formerly NS1.ISI.EDU
;
.360  NSB.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
B.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.  360  A 128.9.0.107
;
; formerly C.PSI.NET
;
.360  NSC.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.  360  A 192.33.4.12
;
; formerly TERP.UMD.EDU
;
.360  NSD.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
D.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.  360  A 128.8.10.90
;
; formerly NS.NASA.GOV
;
.360  NSE.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
E.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.  360  A 192.203.230.10
;
; formerly NS.ISC.ORG
;
.360  NSF.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.  360  A 192.5.5.241
;
; formerly NS.NIC.DDN.MIL
;
.360  NSG.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
G.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.  360  A 192.112.36.4
;
; formerly AOS.ARL.ARMY.MIL
;
.360  NSH.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
H.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.  360  A 128.63.2.53
;
; formerly NIC.NORDU.NET
;
.360  NSI.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.  360  A 192.36.148.17
;
; temporarily housed at NSI (InterNIC)
;
.360  NSJ.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
J.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.  360  A 198.41.0.10
;
; housed in LINX, operated by RIPE NCC
;
.360  NSK.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
K.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.  360  A 193.0.14.129
;
; temporarily housed at ISI (IANA)
;
.360  NSL.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
L.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.  360  A 198.32.64.12
;
; housed in Japan, operated by WIDE
;
.360  NSM.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
M.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.  360  A 202.12.27.33
; End of File

--

FILE NAME : /etc/namedb/localhost.rev

localhost.rev
@   IN  SOA dns1.powertrips.org. root.powertrips.org. (
199609204
28800
7200
604800
86400 )
NS  dns1.powertrips.org.

1   PTR localhost.

--

FILE NAME : /etc/namedb/named.conf

options {
directory "/var/named";

forwarders {
127.0.0.1;
};
};

zone "." {
type hint;
file "root.hints";
};

zone "0.0.127.IN-ADDR.ARPA" {
type master;
file "127.0.0";
};

zone "powertrips.org" {
type master;
notify yes;
file "powertrips.org";
};

zone "158.28.66.in-addr.arpa" {
type master;
notify yes;
file "66.28.158";
};


--

FILE NAME : /var/named/powertrips.org


$TTL 3D
@   IN  SOA dns1.powertrips.org. clanx.dns1.powertrips.or

Re: PPoE Setup

2002-03-22 Thread Tom Wilson

On Friday 22 March 2002  7 19:38 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s voice rose 
above the ones in my head and declared:
> Hi, list,
>
> Has anyone used PPoE to connect with their ISP? Any gotchas I need
> to know about?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kurt

I set up Roaring Penguin on edesktop a little over a year ago and it 
was pretty cut & dry.   I had no problems.  I don't use it anymore 
though so I'm not to sure about any new versions.

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Re: lan-assit?

2002-03-22 Thread M.W.Chang

sorry, it should have been "LAN-assist". typo.

"M.W.Chang" wrote:
> 
> Anyone remember the old LAN assit program in Netware?
> Can I do something like that in linux?
> 

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Re: PPoE Setup

2002-03-22 Thread M.W.Chang

adsl-setup
adsl-start
adsl-stop

that's all I used.
I generated two /etc/ppp/pppoe.conf and cp them to /etc/ppp/pppoe.demand
and /etc/ppp/pppoe.persist respectively. I called adsl-start with the
right one at different time.

FYI, the rp-pppoe in redhat 7.x didn't expect you to use adsl-setup. she
expected you to edit a file /etc/... which is less than trivial.

Net Llama wrote:
> 
> I have _no_ experience with PPPoE, however from what i've heard, if you
> use Roaring Penguin, its quite simple to setup (assuming that you have a
> kernel that supports it).

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Re: css as a better replacement

2002-03-22 Thread M.W.Chang

you have a better alternative? can I learn it:
sxs is using  + character entities.
I am looking for an exact replacement for 

"David A. Bandel" wrote:
> > 
> > div.escape
> > {
> > -moz-binding : url(preformatted-text.xml#preformat);
> > behavior : url(preformatted-text.htc);
> > }
> > 
> Umm. Why are you using div?  You writing a book?  This has got to be the
> most superfluous, overused tag I've seen.  Forget div.

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More SxS steps for March 22

2002-03-22 Thread Net Llama

BROWSERS-> Mozilla (Doug Hunley)

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Re: Gentoo

2002-03-22 Thread Cidadão Dorense

 --- Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu: > On Thu,
> You will be
> happiest if you have
> a high speed internet connection, since all sources
> are downloaded on
> the fly from the authoratative ftp site for each.
> 
> In the future, gentoo will probably offer CD sets
> and binary
> distributions, but that's still in the future.

Hi Collins.

Do you know if with a great deal of patience is it
possible to build a Gentoo system using dial-up
connections? I wouldn´t matter if it download only a
dozen of packages a day and compile those, but it
would need to be able to continue on the next day from
the point it stopped.

Thanks,
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Re: css as a better replacement

2002-03-22 Thread Net Llama

--- "David A. Bandel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 08:29:54 +0800
> begin  "M.W.Chang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed forth:
> 
> > ,  and : they are either deprecated, or
> required
> > the use of character entity < and >.
> > 
> > After talking to a modern generation of web programmer, this is what
> I
> > learnt about using the best replacement for them. I would resubmit
> my
> > stuffs.
> > 
> > #All documents should have this in the  section.
> > 
> > div.escape
> > {
> > -moz-binding : url(preformatted-text.xml#preformat);
> > behavior : url(preformatted-text.htc);
> > }
> > 
> > 
> > #then use this to replace the  tags in the  section
> > 
> > What do you think?
> > >
> > 
> 
> Umm. Why are you using div?  You writing a book?  This has got to be
> the
> most superfluous, overused tag I've seen.  Forget div.

Indeed.  Never have I seen  used so much as when M$ products insert
it into the bastardized version of HTML that they create.

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Re: css as a better replacement

2002-03-22 Thread David A. Bandel

On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 08:29:54 +0800
begin  "M.W.Chang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed forth:

> ,  and : they are either deprecated, or required
> the use of character entity < and >.
> 
> After talking to a modern generation of web programmer, this is what I
> learnt about using the best replacement for them. I would resubmit my
> stuffs.
> 
> #All documents should have this in the  section.
> 
> div.escape
> {
> -moz-binding : url(preformatted-text.xml#preformat);
> behavior : url(preformatted-text.htc);
> }
> 
> 
> #then use this to replace the  tags in the  section
> 
> What do you think?
> >
> 

Umm. Why are you using div?  You writing a book?  This has got to be the
most superfluous, overused tag I've seen.  Forget div.

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Re: First Try at Creating Website

2002-03-22 Thread David A. Bandel

On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 08:21:48 +0800
begin  "M.W.Chang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed forth:

> identity is for version 1, right? did I mis-interpret the doc?
> Or that the key generation has nothing to do with protocol version?
> when I used identity, I also set my putty to use version 1 protocol.
> 
> "David A. Bandel" wrote:
> > 
> > OK, time to understand what you're doing.  -t rsa creates an ssh2 rsa
> > key. This is not standard.  Try this: ssh-keygen
> 
> putty said the dsa key was not secure. So I thought I should use rsa.
> that's why I used ssh-keygen -t rsa

I don't think many folks could crack either one.  But I have an aversion
to RSA.

> (putty also claimed that newer version of openssh used authorized_keys
> only. I don't want to bet on that)

Hmm.  The latest version I have (3.0.2) uses authorized_keys2.  I have no
clue what putty uses.

>  
> > For ssh2, try:
> > ssh-keygen -t dsa
> > let it save that to id_dsa and id_dsa.pub.  then id_dsa.pub is copied
> > to the other system to authorized_keys2 (not authorized_keys).  You
> > can
> 
> should I tick "version 2" in putty?
> actually, I tried using id_dsa, but failed.

It's possible DSA is not supported on Windoze.

> 
> > substitute id_rsa.pub into authorized_keys2 if you want, but not all
> > systems will recognize this (and it's not as good as dsa).
> 
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Re: alteration of screen resolution

2002-03-22 Thread Keith Antoine

On Thursday 21 March 2002 06:54 pm, you wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 08:49:55 +1000 Keith Antoine
>
> [ snip ]
>
>  > I cannot remember how to easily alter the screen resolution. Yes
> >
> > its been talked about often enough and I was sure I had a hard
> > copy, but cannot find it.
>
> Presuming you have defined multiple resolutions in XF86Config(-4), it's
> ctl-alt-+ of ctl-alt-- (on the numeric keypad).

Ahrrgg, it was the numeric pad I was missing out on, many thanks.
Now I have 1024x768 and 640x480, however I would like to add in the next 
highest resolution (1158x?), can I do this easily, like edit it in ?


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Re: "lilo -R" equivalent for GRUB

2002-03-22 Thread Keith Morse

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Typing furiously on March 21, Keith Morse managed to emit:
> > Been reading the docs and doing various searches on Google and 
> > www.deja.com.  Still haven't found if this is possible.  Ideas?
> 
> How about just rewriting the MBR with something like:
> 
> dd if=/dev/zero of=/your/disk bs=446 count=1
> 
> Kurt


Gotta admit, I have no clue on how this relates to "lilo -R".  I actually 
want to use Grub, not nuke it.

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Re: alteration of screen resolution

2002-03-22 Thread Collins

On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 08:49:55 +1000 Keith Antoine

[ snip ]

 > I cannot remember how to easily alter the screen resolution. Yes 
> its been talked about often enough and I was sure I had a hard
> copy, but cannot find it. 

Presuming you have defined multiple resolutions in XF86Config(-4), it's
ctl-alt-+ of ctl-alt-- (on the numeric keypad).

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Re: Nice windows tool...

2002-03-22 Thread Bill Day

Althoug it really don't matter, Windows has had encrypted passwords since 
Win95b, I beleieve, but by default they were plain text.  Win98 defaults to 
encrypted.

All be it, nothing to really stop anyone from getting the password if they 
really wanted it that bad, but it is there.


On Friday 22 March 2002 18:39, you were heard blurting out:
> --- Jerry McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I was handed a copy of CAIN 2.0 today. And boy was I surprised
> >
> > Cain is a wonderful little (fits on a floppy) windows utility that
> > will
> > show you all the passwords on a target windows computer. All you need
> > do
> > is slip the floppy in the drive, explore it, click on cane.exe and
> > bingo... with in minutes it will show you all the passwords that the
> > user(s) have set on their desktop. For the really hard passwords,
> > there's
> > a "brute force" attack that can be performed in ferreting the
> > passwords
> > out of the target... It'll even snoop the smb stream and grab your
> > samba
> > passwords too. So far it's cracked all the 98 machines at work... The
> > longest time it took was less than 2 minutes to figure out a really
> > tough
> > 8 character password. Most of the "attacks" were instantaneous.
> >
> > It's hard to believe that a whole industry relies on such garbage as
> > windows. Truly amazing.
>
> In fairness to M$, the passwords used on anything before W2K weren't
> encrypted in any real way.  Can this thing crack a kerberos password on
> W2K or XP?
>
> =
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Re: PPoE Setup

2002-03-22 Thread Net Llama

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi, list,
> 
> Has anyone used PPoE to connect with their ISP? Any gotchas I need 
> to know about?

I have _no_ experience with PPPoE, however from what i've heard, if you
use Roaring Penguin, its quite simple to setup (assuming that you have a
kernel that supports it).

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PPoE Setup

2002-03-22 Thread kurt . wall

Hi, list,

Has anyone used PPoE to connect with their ISP? Any gotchas I need 
to know about?

Thanks,

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Re: OT: Feds want to drop protection of privacy regarding medical data

2002-03-22 Thread kurt . wall

Typing furiously on March 22, Tyler Regas managed to emit:
> I'm going to take a slightly different tack here...

[...]

> As they say, it's a dog eat dog world.

And I'm wearing Milk Bone underwear...

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css as a better replacement

2002-03-22 Thread M.W.Chang

,  and : they are either deprecated, or required
the use of character entity < and >.

After talking to a modern generation of web programmer, this is what I
learnt about using the best replacement for them. I would resubmit my
stuffs.

#All documents should have this in the  section.

div.escape
{
-moz-binding : url(preformatted-text.xml#preformat);
behavior : url(preformatted-text.htc);
}


#then use this to replace the  tags in the  section

What do you think?
>

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Re: First Try at Creating Website

2002-03-22 Thread M.W.Chang

identity is for version 1, right? did I mis-interpret the doc?
Or that the key generation has nothing to do with protocol version?
when I used identity, I also set my putty to use version 1 protocol.

"David A. Bandel" wrote:
> 
> OK, time to understand what you're doing.  -t rsa creates an ssh2 rsa key.
>  This is not standard.  Try this: ssh-keygen

putty said the dsa key was not secure. So I thought I should use rsa.
that's why I used ssh-keygen -t rsa
(putty also claimed that newer version of openssh used authorized_keys
only. I don't want to bet on that)
 
> For ssh2, try:
> ssh-keygen -t dsa
> let it save that to id_dsa and id_dsa.pub.  then id_dsa.pub is copied to
> the other system to authorized_keys2 (not authorized_keys).  You can

should I tick "version 2" in putty?
actually, I tried using id_dsa, but failed.

> substitute id_rsa.pub into authorized_keys2 if you want, but not all
> systems will recognize this (and it's not as good as dsa).

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lan-assit?

2002-03-22 Thread M.W.Chang


Anyone remember the old LAN assit program in Netware?
Can I do something like that in linux?

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Re: what is it?

2002-03-22 Thread M.W.Chang

found it from the ppp log.
it's a private ip returned from the dial-up host. 
apologize for overlooking this one.

Andrew Mathews wrote:
> No, sendmail was simply unable to resolve itself. Is there an entry in
> /etc/hosts for the machine name at that ip? Is /etc/nsswitch.conf set to
> the order of hosts, dns or vice-versa?

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Re: Nice windows tool...

2002-03-22 Thread Jerry McBride

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:39:07 -0800 (PST) Net Llama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> --- Jerry McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > I was handed a copy of CAIN 2.0 today. And boy was I surprised
> > 

---snip---

> In fairness to M$, the passwords used on anything before W2K weren't
> encrypted in any real way.  Can this thing crack a kerberos password on
> W2K or XP?
> 

>From what I understand, Cain 2.0 is for cracking 95 or 98 boxes. However,
there's a Cain 2.53 beta being "tested" on nt, win2k and xp boxes. Whether
or not the 2.53 tool works, I won't ever know as our windows involvement
does not include anything beyond 98.


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Re: Gentoo

2002-03-22 Thread Collins

On Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:05:05 -0800 Ken Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:> I'm always trying new stuff, and Gentoo looks interesting. Any
> opinions here?
> 

Just to be sure that you are referring to the gentoo linux distribution?
 The gentoo folks also have a file manager named gentoo.

If its the linux distro you want, see my signature below and check the
archives for my occasional diatribes and rants in favor of gentoo,
including a couple of weeks back.

To recap, gentoo linux (at present) is an install-from-sources distro
(similar to but much more sophisticated than Linux From Scratch).  The
distro is maintained with portage (an advanced source package maintainer
tool similar to the ports system on FreeBSD).  Gentoo also differs from
your plain vanilla linux distro in the matter of init scripts which are
also similar to the system employed in FreeBSD.  Documentation and
installation are much improved these days, and the gentoo folks are
working towards a Version 1.0 release date of March 31.  At present, you
can choose from ext2, ext3, and Reiserfs for your filesystems.

I would recommend waiting for the Version 1.0, unless you just can't
wait, in which case by all means, go for it now.  You'll like what you
get.

N.B. Depending on the speed of your PC, you're looking at a 2 day to 1
week install period to get everything compiled.  It took me about 3
days, and I have full gnome, kde, etc.  You will be happiest if you have
a high speed internet connection, since all sources are downloaded on
the fly from the authoratative ftp site for each.

In the future, gentoo will probably offer CD sets and binary
distributions, but that's still in the future.

Go to www.gentoo.org.

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Re: anyone using the pre-empt kernel patch?

2002-03-22 Thread Net Llama

--- Jerry McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:14:49 -0800 (PST) Net Llama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > Just wondering if anyone had tried out the kernel pre-empt patch,
> and if
> > so, what were the results?  I've read some encouraging stuff, but
> what i
> > want are personal stories of whether there is a noticable
> performance
> > improvement on a desktop box.
> > 
> > 
> 
> I am running 2.5.7 with the pre-empt option enabled... I don't notice
> any
> difference what-so-ever. I guess it's up to "the benchmarks" to show
> the
> vaul of this new kernel option.

That's what i was afraid of.  Unless the box is getting driven really
hard, there won't be any noticable difference.

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Re: Nice windows tool...

2002-03-22 Thread Net Llama

--- Jerry McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I was handed a copy of CAIN 2.0 today. And boy was I surprised
> 
> Cain is a wonderful little (fits on a floppy) windows utility that
> will
> show you all the passwords on a target windows computer. All you need
> do
> is slip the floppy in the drive, explore it, click on cane.exe and
> bingo... with in minutes it will show you all the passwords that the
> user(s) have set on their desktop. For the really hard passwords,
> there's
> a "brute force" attack that can be performed in ferreting the
> passwords
> out of the target... It'll even snoop the smb stream and grab your
> samba
> passwords too. So far it's cracked all the 98 machines at work... The
> longest time it took was less than 2 minutes to figure out a really
> tough
> 8 character password. Most of the "attacks" were instantaneous. 
> 
> It's hard to believe that a whole industry relies on such garbage as
> windows. Truly amazing.

In fairness to M$, the passwords used on anything before W2K weren't
encrypted in any real way.  Can this thing crack a kerberos password on
W2K or XP?

=

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Re: anyone using the pre-empt kernel patch?

2002-03-22 Thread Net Llama

OK, but that's performing a server role.  I'm really interested in a
desktop role.

--- Douglas J Hunley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Net Llama spewed electrons into the ether that assembled into:
> > Just wondering if anyone had tried out the kernel pre-empt patch,
> and if
> > so, what were the results?  I've read some encouraging stuff, but
> what i
> > want are personal stories of whether there is a noticable
> performance
> > improvement on a desktop box.
> 
> linux-sxs.org is running it! makes a hell of a difference in the 
> responsiveness, IMHO.

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Nice windows tool...

2002-03-22 Thread Jerry McBride


I was handed a copy of CAIN 2.0 today. And boy was I surprised

Cain is a wonderful little (fits on a floppy) windows utility that will
show you all the passwords on a target windows computer. All you need do
is slip the floppy in the drive, explore it, click on cane.exe and
bingo... with in minutes it will show you all the passwords that the
user(s) have set on their desktop. For the really hard passwords, there's
a "brute force" attack that can be performed in ferreting the passwords
out of the target... It'll even snoop the smb stream and grab your samba
passwords too. So far it's cracked all the 98 machines at work... The
longest time it took was less than 2 minutes to figure out a really tough
8 character password. Most of the "attacks" were instantaneous. 

It's hard to believe that a whole industry relies on such garbage as
windows. Truly amazing.



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Re: anyone using the pre-empt kernel patch?

2002-03-22 Thread Douglas J Hunley

Net Llama spewed electrons into the ether that assembled into:
> Just wondering if anyone had tried out the kernel pre-empt patch, and if
> so, what were the results?  I've read some encouraging stuff, but what i
> want are personal stories of whether there is a noticable performance
> improvement on a desktop box.

linux-sxs.org is running it! makes a hell of a difference in the 
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alteration of screen resolution

2002-03-22 Thread Keith Antoine

I have had a very successful week with installation of programs, unusual in 
the extreme with me. 

(lonni, have at last got MPLayer up and running with all bells and whistles)

I also loaded, with trepidation the Nvidia Accelerated Linux Drivers. I 
editted /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and went on working rebooted fine, but later I 
finished and turned the computer off.  This morning it had a problem booting 
kde and said it was either an X11 prob or kde startup. Hell ! I had not as 
yet done a backup. Luckily, after about an hour I saw that I had editted in 
the config file a _Line Below_ in the drivers section from 'nv' to 'nvidia'. 
Corrected this and yep she booted up, BUT, in a very different resolution to 
the 1024x768 xxHz I was in. 

I have done something in kde or Xfree which resulted in this, now I cannot 
remember how to easily alter the screen resolution. Yes its been talked about 
often enough and I was sure I had a hard copy, but cannot find it. The books 
I have are useless too.

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Re: OT: Feds want to drop protection of privacy regarding medical data

2002-03-22 Thread Terence McCarthy

On Friday 22 March 2002 21:56, Tyler Regas wrote:
There are no grand, evil plots.
> There's simply greed, and everyone is out to get their piece of the
> share.
>
> As they say, it's a dog eat dog world.

What worries me is that I think you're right.


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Re: anyone using the pre-empt kernel patch?

2002-03-22 Thread Jerry McBride

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:14:49 -0800 (PST) Net Llama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Just wondering if anyone had tried out the kernel pre-empt patch, and if
> so, what were the results?  I've read some encouraging stuff, but what i
> want are personal stories of whether there is a noticable performance
> improvement on a desktop box.
> 
> 

I am running 2.5.7 with the pre-empt option enabled... I don't notice any
difference what-so-ever. I guess it's up to "the benchmarks" to show the
vaul of this new kernel option.



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RE: OT: Feds want to drop protection of privacy regarding medical data

2002-03-22 Thread Tyler Regas

I'm going to take a slightly different tack here...

Have you seen Gattaca (1997)? The film featured one mans struggle to
break the bonds of his genetic limitations which caused him to be deemed
unfit to go into space by the big, bad MegaCorporation, despite his
skill and intelligence. He used the DNA bearing material of a cripple,
who was otherwise genetically compatible with the companies requirements
to gain access to the program. He was forced to leave nail clippings,
dead skin flakes, and hair in his work area due to the constant,
paranoid nature of the company's need to revalidate its candidates on a
daily basis. His blood and urine were also tested daily, on both ingress
and egress to the building.

Sure, this may be only a movie, but consider this: The Running Man
(1987) was about a fictional televised game show in the future. The show
promoted direct physical violence and even death of human beings for
sport and financial gain. Today's television includes programs like
Survivor, The Amazing Race, Fear Factor, The Chair, and The Chamber. All
of these shows are escalating what level of violence is acceptable to
society. 

The internet has also, as a vehicle for large corporations, been able to
mutate our favorite communications platform to their needs, claiming all
the while that their actions and direction are in the interest of the
consumer. Under that guise, big business has whittled at and begun to
rub away the protections we have as private, American citizens. Making
it easier to access medical records of individuals, preferably without
their knowledge, will make it easier for corporations to determine any
number of things and base their decisions on. The applications of this
knowledge of countless and industry would love to have immediate,
unregulated access to it, and all in the name of the allmighty dollar.

I'm typically rather cynical, though not much for conspiracy theories.
Mine follows: There is no such thing as free enterprise. There is no
such thing as personal freedom. Government is a sham, whether
intentional or not. Corporate America is a gigantic pyramid scheme that
is feeding the top 10% of the nation, which also happens to be the
richest. There are no conspiracies. There are no grand, evil plots.
There's simply greed, and everyone is out to get their piece of the
share. 

As they say, it's a dog eat dog world.


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Re: OT: Feds want to drop protection of privacy regarding medical data

2002-03-22 Thread Marvin Dickens

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:57:58 -0600
Stuart Biggerstaff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I don't really know the details (and don't really want to defend W.--or the 
> health insurance industry), but I'm not sure I can see this as a big 
> threat.  I think most of the people involved have seen seeking treatment 
> and seeking payment for treatment as "prior approval" for release of 
> information as needed, but the courts have often not seen it that way.

Hi Stuart!

Perhaps you have not considered why the insurance industry wants these records...It's 
not so much the information that is available now, but the information that will be 
available through genetic testing for physical diseases, mental health diseases and 
such. Genetic testing for diseases will, in most instances, eliminate the use of 
statistics to calculate who you want to insure and who you do not want to insure. 
Imagine, if you will a world where you purchase health insurance and the insurance 
company tells you they will cover all aspects of you health until the year 2015, when 
they will no longer insure you for carcenoma melanoma because, sometime during the 
years 2015 to 1016 you going to develope the disease. This affects the entire 
insurance industy... Life insurance, home owners insurance and etc. 

The insurance industry is in essence positioning themselves to have access to gentic 
testing information that will start to be available in the next 5 to 10 years. This is 
very Orwellian.


Best

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Re: anyone using the pre-empt kernel patch?

2002-03-22 Thread kurt . wall

Typing furiously on March 22, Net Llama managed to emit:
> Just wondering if anyone had tried out the kernel pre-empt patch, and if
> so, what were the results?  I've read some encouraging stuff, but what i
> want are personal stories of whether there is a noticable performance
> improvement on a desktop box.

I have not used Montia Vista's patch, but I run a kernel everyday that is
fully preemptible and consistently enjoy a snappier system under load.
However, kernel preemption is more about having things happen on time
than it is having things happen quickly -- or at least this is my
understanding. It remains to be seen whether or not desktop usage
can be improved dramatically by running a near real-time kernel.

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Re: M$ Loses One

2002-03-22 Thread Lee

"David A. Bandel" wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:42:00 -0500
> begin  Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed forth:
> 
> > Seems that late Friday, the court ruled against M$'s request for a
> > preliminary injunction against Lindows using the name Lindows. Details
> > at www.lindows.com/opposition. Bout time some Linux company showed a
> > little backbone where M$ is concerned.
> 
> What the court said was that it wanted to look more closely at the
> trademark "Windows" because you can't trademark common dictionary terms
> and get protection under the law.
> 
> Looks to me like the term Windows long supercedes M$' hijacking of the
> term.  I found windows in the dictionary and it made no mention of a
> computer operating system by M$ or anyone else. Guess if it did, they'd
> really have to put W then X Window.
> 
> Ciao,
> 
> David A. Bandel

According to the judge's ruling at the above site, Lindows had proved
that the term Windows was in common usage in the computer field before
M$ sucked it up in 1983 and since then there are literally hundreds of
web sites and computer products that incorporate the name windows and
that the term was generic and therefore not protected by copy write (the
next part was particularly delightful) no matter how much money and
effort a company put into merchandising the name. Looks like Linus
Torvalds has a kindred soul on the bench. The real kicker was the
judge's finding that there were some serious issues raised, by M$
itself, to their use of the name. I can just see it now the next release
of Gates will be Microsoft ? 2004.

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anyone using the pre-empt kernel patch?

2002-03-22 Thread Net Llama

Just wondering if anyone had tried out the kernel pre-empt patch, and if
so, what were the results?  I've read some encouraging stuff, but what i
want are personal stories of whether there is a noticable performance
improvement on a desktop box.

=

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Re: M$ Loses One

2002-03-22 Thread David A. Bandel

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:42:00 -0500
begin  Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed forth:

> Seems that late Friday, the court ruled against M$'s request for a
> preliminary injunction against Lindows using the name Lindows. Details
> at www.lindows.com/opposition. Bout time some Linux company showed a
> little backbone where M$ is concerned.

What the court said was that it wanted to look more closely at the
trademark "Windows" because you can't trademark common dictionary terms
and get protection under the law.

Looks to me like the term Windows long supercedes M$' hijacking of the
term.  I found windows in the dictionary and it made no mention of a
computer operating system by M$ or anyone else. Guess if it did, they'd
really have to put W then X Window.

Ciao,

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Re: OT: Feds want to drop protection of privacy regarding medical data

2002-03-22 Thread Lee

"David A. Bandel" wrote:
> 
> OK, I'm not a lawyer, but I've been around enough of them to know a couple
> of things: 1.  Your (or my) interpretation of something as general as
> what's written in the fourth (or any other) amendment is not necessarily
> what you'd like to interpret it as. 2.  Just because it looks like a duck,
> quacks like a duck, walks and swims like a duck, doesn't make it a duck.
> 
> It can be argued that "your" medical records aren't yours at all.  That
> those papers are the property of the physician, not you.  If you write
> "David Bandel is, in my considered opinion, an idiot" and sign it -- is
> the paper that that's written on yours or mine?  It has my name and an
> "evaluation" about me.  Ditto for your medical records.  But that paper is
> yours, not mine.  If a physician is charged with malpractice, the records
> in question are seized.  The seizure papers are not served on you as the
> patient, but on the Dr (whose records they are).  Same is true if you go
> to a lawyer and he puts together a file on you.  It's not yours, so the
> 4th Amendment doesn't pertain to "your" medical records.

>>Snip

Even worse. Drs and lawyers are under oath and required by law not to
divulge information about their patience or clients without a court
issued warrant. So even if the records are the property of the Drs or
lawyers government cannot just take them without the proper warrant.

Lee
> 
> Again, I'm not a lawyer, just playing Devil's Advocate here.
> 
> On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:07:46 -0700
> begin  Andrew Mathews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed forth:
> 
> > "David A. Bandel" wrote:
> > 
> > > Not sure I'm up on this amendment to the Consitution.  Which amendment
> > > provides for right to privacy of medical records?
> > >
> > > Ciao,
> > >
> > > David A. Bandel
> > > --
> >
> > The fourth amendment. It states:
> > The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers,
> > and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
> > violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause,
> > supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place
> > to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
> >
> > While it does not contain the words "medical records" neither does it
> > contain "financial records", "religous documents" or "political
> > documents" but I'm sure that precedents have been set to determine that
> > they're all inclusive as they do not have to be in your posession to be
> > included as a protected paper or effect. Otherwise your safe deposit
> > boxes, attorney's files, medical records, etc. would not require a
> > warrant to be seized.
> > Just IMHO.
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Re: OT: Feds want to drop protection of privacy regarding medical data

2002-03-22 Thread R. Quenett

from David A. Bandel:

" It can be argued that "your" medical records aren't yours at all.  That
" those papers are the property of the physician, not you.  If you write

Strikes me that this spotlights the crux of the matter.  That crux is 
not that it might be debateable whether or on what basis the records 
are the property of the physician or to the patient but that they do
NOT belong to the Office of the President.

Yet, incredibly, it is that Office which is taking unto itself the 
right to make the final determination as to the propriety of the
use/disposition of that property.

The political system which retains the facade of private ownership
while reserving to the collective all of the essential elements of
that ownership is facism.

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Re: OT: Feds want to drop protection of privacy regarding medical data

2002-03-22 Thread Lee

The 4th Amendment against unreasonable search has been held to cover
this by the Supreme Court. As Chief Justice (now deceased) Oliver Wendle
Homes once said," The Constitution says what we (the high court) say it
says.




Andrew Mathews wrote:
> 
> "David A. Bandel" wrote:
> 
> > Not sure I'm up on this amendment to the Consitution.  Which amendment
> > provides for right to privacy of medical records?
> >
> > Ciao,
> >
> > David A. Bandel
> > --
> 
> The fourth amendment. It states:
> The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers,
> and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
> violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause,
> supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place
> to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
> 
> While it does not contain the words "medical records" neither does it
> contain "financial records", "religous documents" or "political
> documents" but I'm sure that precedents have been set to determine that
> they're all inclusive as they do not have to be in your posession to be
> included as a protected paper or effect. Otherwise your safe deposit
> boxes, attorney's files, medical records, etc. would not require a
> warrant to be seized.
> Just IMHO.
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M$ Loses One

2002-03-22 Thread Lee

Seems that late Friday, the court ruled against M$'s request for a
preliminary injunction against Lindows using the name Lindows. Details
at www.lindows.com/opposition. Bout time some Linux company showed a
little backbone where M$ is concerned.

Lee
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Re: OT: Feds want to drop protection of privacy regarding medical data

2002-03-22 Thread Andrew Mathews

"David A. Bandel" wrote:
> 
> OK, I'm not a lawyer, but I've been around enough of them to know a couple
> of things: 1.  Your (or my) interpretation of something as general as
> what's written in the fourth (or any other) amendment is not necessarily
> what you'd like to interpret it as. 2.  Just because it looks like a duck,
> quacks like a duck, walks and swims like a duck, doesn't make it a duck.

Very true. If it were as clear as we hoped, we'd still be writing it to
include or exclude specific things and it wouldn't be reinterpreted
constantly in courts of law.
 
> It can be argued that "your" medical records aren't yours at all.  That
> those papers are the property of the physician, not you.  If you write
> "David Bandel is, in my considered opinion, an idiot" and sign it -- is
> the paper that that's written on yours or mine?  It has my name and an
> "evaluation" about me.  Ditto for your medical records.  But that paper is
> yours, not mine.  If a physician is charged with malpractice, the records
> in question are seized.  The seizure papers are not served on you as the
> patient, but on the Dr (whose records they are).  Same is true if you go
> to a lawyer and he puts together a file on you.  It's not yours, so the
> 4th Amendment doesn't pertain to "your" medical records.

Also true in that the *owner* of the documents in question contain
information relevant to the prosecution of such. That doesn't however
provide a loophole in which that the information can be used for
anything other than it's relevant purpose, thus the closure of
courtrooms to the public when these issues arise. Usually a judge will
not allow irrelevant or inadmissable evidence if it, when relesed to the
public could be construed as slanderous. There's a CYA factor
considered.
 
> Go to the last hospital you were admitted to and tell them you want "your"
> medical records because ... (take them home for study, etc.).  Not!
> They're not yours.  They are the institutions for their mandated (by law)
> requirement to keep records on treatment you (or anyone else) received at
> their facilities.  Not yours.

Also true. Still doesn't mean they can do with them as they please
though. You do have the right to them as copies of their originals, and
they can't release them without compliance with their legal obligations,
so your protection isn't negated by this.
 
> What you're talking about is a reasonable right to privacy and that the
> hospital, doctor, etc., will respect that reasonable right to privacy and
> not show me, Joe Dipstick, medical information about you that I don't need
> to know.
> 
> Big difference here, reasonable right to privacy vs. 4th amendment
> protection from unreasonable seizure (of your person, house, papers,
> effects).
> 
> Medical records are _not_ covered by the 4th Amendment.  Try again.

Quite possibly an interpretaion of the amendment itself. It's merely the
one that is most closely applicable to this question. I'm sure that
there are many more laws that are neither amendments, nor as broad in
coverage as an amendment is intended to be. However, if it's not
covered, why is the necessity of changing a law even being debated?
There's obviously more that's applicable in relevance than simple
definition. Do "right to privacy" and "unreasonable searches and
seizures" not have more commonality than differences? I'll stand behind
the first try. 
 
> Again, I'm not a lawyer, just playing Devil's Advocate here.
> 


Ditto. I see it as a comparison between what we expect it to be, and
what it really is, with no clear definition yet. Not really a difference
of opinion, just a difference of interpretation and expectations. Debate
is good for the soul and the mind.

> Ciao,
> 
> David A. Bandel


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RE: OT: Feds want to drop protection of privacy regardingmedical data

2002-03-22 Thread Condon Thomas A KPWA
Title: RE: OT: Feds want to drop protection of privacy regarding medical data






I believe we are talking about the "Privileged Communications" in an attorney/client relationship or the "Privileged Information" in a doctor/patient relationship.  That is why the doctor needs a release from you to pass that information on to your insurance company.

I'm not even sure that there is a legal statute applicable to this concept.  However, it is what allows attorneys to defend (and proclaim the innocence of without fear of purgery rulings) clients that they know darn well did it.  So the legal eagles will fight tooth and nail to keep the precedents in place.

This particular move seems like an inclusion of the insurance companies into the "privileged" club, not a wholesale changing of the rules.


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Re: OT: Feds want to drop protection of privacy regarding medical data

2002-03-22 Thread Glenn Williams

The confidentiality release form a patient signs prior to release of  
medical records to a third-party provider or whatever, bears a footnote 
which cites the federal regs involved, or rather the section of the 
Federal Register which embodies the publication of said regulation(s).

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On Friday 22 March 2002 12:07 pm, you wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:49:11 -0500
>
> begin  edj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed forth:
> > On Fri 22 March 2002 01:07 pm, Andrew Mathews wrote:
> > > "David A. Bandel" wrote:
> > > > Not sure I'm up on this amendment to the Consitution.  Which
> > > > amendment provides for right to privacy of medical records?

[wholesale snippage]

>
> I don't really want to start a "reasonable right to privacy" debate,
> because those are generally settled in court on a case-by-case basis.
>  And what is reasonable to one judge often is not to another (and of
> course that changes based on the circumstances).
>
> Ciao,
>
> David A. Bandel

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Re: OT: Feds want to drop protection of privacy regarding medical data

2002-03-22 Thread Andrew Mathews

edj wrote:
 
> The US Constitution limits only the government, not private parties.
> Thus, while the US government would need a warrant to recover my "papers
> and effects", my doctor could disseminate my records to whomever he
> wished, absent statutory prohibition.  The Bush administration wishes to
> amend the statute.  No constitutional prohibition, I'm afraid.
> 
> --

How so? I can't simply sieze documents belonging to you, anymore than a
doctor, attorney, private company or anyone else can sieze anything
that's considered a private record. Explicit permission has to be given
for such, such as a release consent, or warrant, regardless of the
pursuer's belonging to a government or private sector. Items of public
record that are available freely are not considered to be *private* as
are personal records, papers, and other things. As an employee of the
Supreme Court of New Mexico, though many records are available on a
public case lookup, there's specific prohibitions against me
disseminating those elsewhere, even though they're public documents and
I'm a private individual, let alone disseminating private information.
Just because an individual or company doesn't fall under the category of
a government entity doesn't negate the right of an individual to be
protected from the dissemination of private information. Kevin Mitnick
spent a *long* time in prison for taking something he had no permission
or granted right to take (source code from Nokia and Sun) and was
considered a private record or effect and had no statutory prohibition,
e.g. no law stating that Nokia or Sun couldn't distribute their source
code without permission. Without the amendment's language there's no
defining line between theft and borrowing, legal and illegal, private
and public. The application of it provides equal protection, regardless
of the pursuer, government or private sector, though it's been distorted
sometimes to fit the situation as necessary.
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Re: OT: Feds want to drop protection of privacy regarding medical data

2002-03-22 Thread David A. Bandel

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:49:11 -0500
begin  edj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed forth:

> On Fri 22 March 2002 01:07 pm, Andrew Mathews wrote:
> > "David A. Bandel" wrote:
> > > Not sure I'm up on this amendment to the Consitution.  Which
> > > amendment provides for right to privacy of medical records?
> 
> > The fourth amendment. It states:
> > The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers,
> > and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
> > violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause,
> > supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the
> > place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
> >
> > While it does not contain the words "medical records" neither does it
> > contain "financial records", "religous documents" or "political
> > documents" but I'm sure that precedents have been set to determine
> > that they're all inclusive as they do not have to be in your posession
> > to be included as a protected paper or effect. Otherwise your safe
> > deposit boxes, attorney's files, medical records, etc. would not
> > require a warrant to be seized.
> 
> The US Constitution limits only the government, not private parties.  
> Thus, while the US government would need a warrant to recover my "papers
> and effects", my doctor could disseminate my records to whomever he 
> wished, absent statutory prohibition.  The Bush administration wishes to
> amend the statute.  No constitutional prohibition, I'm afraid.

Not true.  The doctor can't do that.  You do, under laws and under
precedent set by those laws to a "reasonable right to privacy".  The
doctor does _not_ have the right to disseminate that information to third
parties without your consent, but this is not a consitutional protection. 
If the doctor gave those records to the newspapers (who say they have a
right to it) and it was published, you could prosecute the doctor if he
didn't have your permission.  But just the doctor, not the newspaper.  You
have the right to own a gun, but not the right to do with it as you will. 
Try shooting someone on the street and see what happens.

I don't really want to start a "reasonable right to privacy" debate,
because those are generally settled in court on a case-by-case basis.  And
what is reasonable to one judge often is not to another (and of course
that changes based on the circumstances).

Ciao,

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Re: OT: Feds want to drop protection of privacy regarding medical data

2002-03-22 Thread David A. Bandel

OK, I'm not a lawyer, but I've been around enough of them to know a couple
of things: 1.  Your (or my) interpretation of something as general as
what's written in the fourth (or any other) amendment is not necessarily
what you'd like to interpret it as. 2.  Just because it looks like a duck,
quacks like a duck, walks and swims like a duck, doesn't make it a duck.

It can be argued that "your" medical records aren't yours at all.  That
those papers are the property of the physician, not you.  If you write
"David Bandel is, in my considered opinion, an idiot" and sign it -- is
the paper that that's written on yours or mine?  It has my name and an
"evaluation" about me.  Ditto for your medical records.  But that paper is
yours, not mine.  If a physician is charged with malpractice, the records
in question are seized.  The seizure papers are not served on you as the
patient, but on the Dr (whose records they are).  Same is true if you go
to a lawyer and he puts together a file on you.  It's not yours, so the
4th Amendment doesn't pertain to "your" medical records.

Go to the last hospital you were admitted to and tell them you want "your"
medical records because ... (take them home for study, etc.).  Not! 
They're not yours.  They are the institutions for their mandated (by law)
requirement to keep records on treatment you (or anyone else) received at
their facilities.  Not yours.

What you're talking about is a reasonable right to privacy and that the
hospital, doctor, etc., will respect that reasonable right to privacy and
not show me, Joe Dipstick, medical information about you that I don't need
to know.

Big difference here, reasonable right to privacy vs. 4th amendment
protection from unreasonable seizure (of your person, house, papers,
effects).

Medical records are _not_ covered by the 4th Amendment.  Try again.

Again, I'm not a lawyer, just playing Devil's Advocate here.


On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:07:46 -0700
begin  Andrew Mathews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed forth:

> "David A. Bandel" wrote:
>  
> > Not sure I'm up on this amendment to the Consitution.  Which amendment
> > provides for right to privacy of medical records?
> > 
> > Ciao,
> > 
> > David A. Bandel
> > --
> 
> The fourth amendment. It states:
> The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers,
> and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
> violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause,
> supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place
> to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
> 
> While it does not contain the words "medical records" neither does it
> contain "financial records", "religous documents" or "political
> documents" but I'm sure that precedents have been set to determine that
> they're all inclusive as they do not have to be in your posession to be
> included as a protected paper or effect. Otherwise your safe deposit
> boxes, attorney's files, medical records, etc. would not require a
> warrant to be seized.
> Just IMHO.
> -- 
> Andrew Mathews
> 
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Re: OT: Feds want to drop protection of privacy regarding medical data

2002-03-22 Thread edj

On Fri 22 March 2002 01:07 pm, Andrew Mathews wrote:
> "David A. Bandel" wrote:
> > Not sure I'm up on this amendment to the Consitution.  Which amendment
> > provides for right to privacy of medical records?

> The fourth amendment. It states:
> The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers,
> and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
> violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause,
> supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place
> to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
>
> While it does not contain the words "medical records" neither does it
> contain "financial records", "religous documents" or "political
> documents" but I'm sure that precedents have been set to determine that
> they're all inclusive as they do not have to be in your posession to be
> included as a protected paper or effect. Otherwise your safe deposit
> boxes, attorney's files, medical records, etc. would not require a
> warrant to be seized.

The US Constitution limits only the government, not private parties.  
Thus, while the US government would need a warrant to recover my "papers 
and effects", my doctor could disseminate my records to whomever he 
wished, absent statutory prohibition.  The Bush administration wishes to 
amend the statute.  No constitutional prohibition, I'm afraid.

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Re: OT: Feds want to drop protection of privacy regarding medical data

2002-03-22 Thread Andrew Mathews

"David A. Bandel" wrote:
 
> Not sure I'm up on this amendment to the Consitution.  Which amendment
> provides for right to privacy of medical records?
> 
> Ciao,
> 
> David A. Bandel
> --

The fourth amendment. It states:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers,
and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause,
supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place
to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

While it does not contain the words "medical records" neither does it
contain "financial records", "religous documents" or "political
documents" but I'm sure that precedents have been set to determine that
they're all inclusive as they do not have to be in your posession to be
included as a protected paper or effect. Otherwise your safe deposit
boxes, attorney's files, medical records, etc. would not require a
warrant to be seized.
Just IMHO.
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RE: OT: Feds want to drop protection of privacy regarding medical data

2002-03-22 Thread Tyler Regas

> It's a shame; we could have been a Great Country.

Power corrupts. Absolutely.


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RE: Log Errors

2002-03-22 Thread Brian Witowski

Yea, you're probably right.  Why would they put sound options under "Sound".
Thats too obvious.  Sheesh.

Brian

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Andrew
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 6:22 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Log Errors
>
>
>
> From: "Brian Witowski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > One more note, I'm using grub, not lilo.
>
> uname -r will determine if you've configured grub correctly in context to
> the kernel you think you've booted. Bottom line is that you missed a few
> non-obvious options on the kernel compile.
>
>
>
>
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Re: OT: Feds want to drop protection of privacy regarding medical data

2002-03-22 Thread Lee

Bill Campbell wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 12:41:40AM -0500, Marvin Dickens wrote:
> >The Bush administration proposed today to drop a requirement
> >at the heart of federal rules protecting the privacy of
> >medical records. It said doctors and hospitals should not
> >have to obtain consent from patients before using or
> >disclosing medical information for the purpose of treatment
> >or reimbursement.
> >
> >Full story:
> >
> >http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/22/politics/22PRIV.html?0321na5
> 
> >Apparently, the insurance industry gave more than a sh!t load of money to
> >the GOP... So much so as to entice the Bush administration to attempt to
> >violate the US constitution. I am absolutely disgusted.
> 
> Snip

The first three words of the Constitution, We The People, designated the
People as the true owners of government, not rich special interests.
Somewhere along the way we got lost. It's a shame; we could have been a
Great Country.

Lee
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Re: Grip

2002-03-22 Thread David A. Bandel

On 21 Mar 2002 22:11:00 -0800
begin  Iraj Medifar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed forth:

> On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 04:25, David A. Bandel wrote:
> > On 19 Mar 2002 22:16:09 -0800
> > begin  Iraj Medifar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed forth:
> > 
> > [snip]
> > > > 
> > > Thanks. I did and here's what I got:
> > > 
> > > esd: Failed to fix mode of /tmp/.esd to 1777.
> > > Try -trust to force esd to start.
> > > esd: Esound daemon unable to create unix domain socket:
> > > /tmp/.esd/socket
> > > The socket is not accessible by esd.
> > > Exiting ...
> > > 
> > > Well, is there a plain newbie translation of this?
> > 
> > Must be _lots_ of stuff on your system broken.  Users can't log in,
> > etc.
> > 
> > Do this as root:
> > chmod 1777 /tmp
> > 
> > then try again and post any errors.
> > 
> > Ciao,
> > 
> > David A. Bandel
> > -- 
> > 
> Thanks for the suggestion. Tried and here's what I got:
> 
> esd: Failed to fix mode of /tmp/.esd to 1777.
> Try -trust to force esd to start.
> esd: Esound sound daemon unable to create unix domain socket:
> The socket is not accessible by esd.
> Exiting...
> 
> Practically the same message as before. By the way, the system doesn't
> appear to be broken at all. Users do log in and do anything they want
> and don't complain about anything. Grip is the only apparent problem.

Then you have in /tmp a file or directory called .esd.  Delete that and
try again.

Ciao,

David A. Bandel
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Re: OT: Feds want to drop protection of privacy regarding medical data

2002-03-22 Thread David A. Bandel

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 00:41:40 -0500
begin  Marvin Dickens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed forth:

> The Bush administration proposed today to drop a requirement
> at the heart of federal rules protecting the privacy of
> medical records. It said doctors and hospitals should not
> have to obtain consent from patients before using or
> disclosing medical information for the purpose of treatment
> or reimbursement. 
> 
> Full story:
> 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/22/politics/22PRIV.html?0321na5
> 
> Apparently, the insurance industry gave more than a sh!t load of money
> to the GOP... So much so as to entice the Bush administration to attempt
> to violate the US constitution. I am absolutely disgusted.

Not sure I'm up on this amendment to the Consitution.  Which amendment
provides for right to privacy of medical records?

Ciao,

David A. Bandel
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Re: OT: Feds want to drop protection of privacy regarding medical data

2002-03-22 Thread Glenn Williams

OK - here's what we'll do:  let's publish the medical records of the 
President and his cabinet and their family members as a trial of the 
proposed policy change, and then we'll see how it goes from there...

Regards,

Glenn

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On Thursday 21 March 2002 10:41 pm, you wrote:
> The Bush administration proposed today to drop a requirement
> at the heart of federal rules protecting the privacy of
> medical records. It said doctors and hospitals should not
> have to obtain consent from patients before using or
> disclosing medical information for the purpose of treatment
> or reimbursement.
>
> Full story:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/22/politics/22PRIV.html?0321na5
>
> Apparently, the insurance industry gave more than a sh!t load of
> money to the GOP... So much so as to entice the Bush administration
> to attempt to violate the US constitution. I am absolutely disgusted.
>
>
> Peck
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Re: "lilo -R" equivalent for GRUB

2002-03-22 Thread kurt . wall

Typing furiously on March 21, Keith Morse managed to emit:
> Been reading the docs and doing various searches on Google and 
> www.deja.com.  Still haven't found if this is possible.  Ideas?

How about just rewriting the MBR with something like:

dd if=/dev/zero of=/your/disk bs=446 count=1

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Active-Filter option in pppd

2002-03-22 Thread Brian Witowski



I have looked high 
and low for an example of the syntax to use this in my /etc/ppp/options 
file.  I have seen references to tcpdump, but that doesn't help because I 
don't know how to use that either.
 
My problem is I have 
fetchmail checking mail every 5 minutes.  However, it keeps my connection 
alive when nobody is using a workstation.  I would like to filter smb 
packets as well as pop3 and smtp ports.  In other words, it would only run 
fetchmail when there are active internet users.
 
 
Thanks,
Brian


More Steps: March 22

2002-03-22 Thread Mike Andrew

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 Distros->Reviews->Gentoo (Collins Richey)
 Window Managers->
 Afterstep (old)
 XFCE->Fixing GTK Errors (old) (Hunley)
 XFCE->GNOME/KDE1/KDE2 compile and install (Jordan) 
XFCE-> Adding using KDM / Xinitrc (Hunley)
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