Re: MD: Micro keyboard for titling
From: Ralph Smeets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 8:51 AM Subject: Re: MD: Micro keyboard for titling > I'm not sure... Not all of the portable's functions are 'remote-controllable'. > Note also that some of the manufacturers like to change the protocol for the > remote from model to model. Giving a wide range of different types of remotes! The only function I can't get to work is "Display" - this seems to be linked to timing signals on the LCD display rather than just a resistor ladder affair. The MD registers the pressing if DISPLAY becase it works when titling, but ignores it when trying to display remaining time etc. unless I use the Sony remote. "End Search" - It's there somewhere but I don't know where. "Record" functions differently in that it goes into Record-Pause when selected via the remote interface rather than straight record, IMHO this is better anyway! Magic -- "Creativity is more a birthright than an acquisition, and the power of sound is wisdom and understanding applied to the power of vibration." Location : Portsmouth, England, UK Homepage : http://www.mattnet.freeserve.co.uk EMail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Micro keyboard for titling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >There is your answer ... MD connected to a Palm Pilot > > I have a Palm III and various MD equipment. At this point, the *only* > common connection is IR, specifically, the Palm with send/receive IR and my > JE520 and MDS-PC2 will receive it. The Palm will send/receive RS232 and, > with the addition of the CAV-50C RS232/Slink interface, so will the MDS-PC2. > But I think it would be better to concentrate on the portables, rather than > these home-type decks. Hmm, I don't know... The IR interface is sort of 'standard'. I mean, the remote control code of manufacturers haven't changed a lot. The SLink/A-Control interface found on Sony home-decks is Sony's 'standard' sollution for connecting it to a PC. These 'sollutions' are somehow standard. > I think the best solution for *existing* portable MD would be a cable that > connected the RS232 hotsync on the Palm to the 4-pin remote connector on the > MD. Two of the 4 pins are control, which is normally implemented by a > resistor ladder and pushbuttons, but I've seen PC interfaces that use CMOS > analog switches. The other two are data from the MD to the LCD (or the > label printer). Looks like an opportunity to use a PIC single-chip > microprocessor to make the connection. I'm not sure... Not all of the portable's functions are 'remote-controllable'. Note also that some of the manufacturers like to change the protocol for the remote from model to model. Giving a wide range of different types of remotes! > I'm sure that it would be possible to write a Palm program similar to the PC > program Sony supplies with the MDs-PC2. Might make me think of replacing my > MZ-EP11 player with a portable recorder! Give it a try ;-) Cheers, Ralph -> Seeking for the source code to use the IrDA interface on the PalmIII as a remote control led -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then something happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Micro keyboard for titling
>There is your answer ... MD connected to a Palm Pilot I have a Palm III and various MD equipment. At this point, the *only* common connection is IR, specifically, the Palm with send/receive IR and my JE520 and MDS-PC2 will receive it. The Palm will send/receive RS232 and, with the addition of the CAV-50C RS232/Slink interface, so will the MDS-PC2. But I think it would be better to concentrate on the portables, rather than these home-type decks. I think the best solution for *existing* portable MD would be a cable that connected the RS232 hotsync on the Palm to the 4-pin remote connector on the MD. Two of the 4 pins are control, which is normally implemented by a resistor ladder and pushbuttons, but I've seen PC interfaces that use CMOS analog switches. The other two are data from the MD to the LCD (or the label printer). Looks like an opportunity to use a PIC single-chip microprocessor to make the connection. I'm sure that it would be possible to write a Palm program similar to the PC program Sony supplies with the MDs-PC2. Might make me think of replacing my MZ-EP11 player with a portable recorder! - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Micro keyboard for titling?
>>> Ralph Smeets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 03/01 11:26 pm >>> > Yep, but > 1) does it draw power when it is not connected? Of course not, but neither does the Ericsson CHA-01 Chatboard. My question still stands though .. how much power does a 101 draw? > 2) I use the "typing blind with 10 fingers" system and not the "eagle" system. A > 'large' keyboard is prefered for this. True, large keys are better for this but even though there is 1's of people who touch type, there are many many more who do not. Afraid you are probably in the population minority at the moment. The "hunt and peck" approach would surely be faster then the scroll wheel on the R50 ... I got pretty good with the scroll wheel but for most titling my combo of the 510 and Martins Winremote is just perfect. > 3) It would be standard When have Sony been worried about standards. ? :) > 4) There are PC keyboards that are as small as the Ericsson one. > etc. etc. etc. I'd be happy if you could point me towards one ... I'm especially interested in the cost. $$$ > Sony has already an alians with Palm in order to combine the Palm Pilot with the > Memory Stick. There is your answer ... MD connected to a Palm Pilot ... image the possibilities. Drag and drop moves, titling, editing, timer record ... Yes a PalmV is expensive, but I get the feeling that the type of person who gets seriously into MD is also likely to want a PDA. Cheers GC This would bring a smile to someone's face "Is that a 101 keyboard in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?" :) > Ralph -> don't forget that the 101 keys IBM keyboard that weights more than > 10 pounds will resist to everything. Therefore it will make the > perfect murder weapon... > Sory officer, but I happened to drop my IBM keyboard which > happened to fall on his head. Only if you bludgeon them with the # key. :) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Micro keyboard for titling?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Just add a PS/2 interface to the portable and the problem is solved > > They did it for the home-decks, why not for portables? > > AFAIK the keyboard draws power ... and although it maybe not > much, it might make a difference ... also for field recordings I'd rather carry > around a mini keyboard (like the Ericsson one I described) then carry a 101 > (or even 88) key keyboard in my MD pouch. (Plus it'd double up duties for > my mobile phone SMS, if compatible). Yep, but 1) does it draw power when it is not connected? 2) I use the "typing blind with 10 fingers" system and not the "eagle" system. A 'large' keyboard is prefered for this. 3) It would be standard 4) There are PC keyboards that are as small as the Ericson one. etc. etc. etc. > Because Ericsson has joined with Psion to develop cross platform > communications, perhaps Sony should be looking at joining them > for products like this. (Similarly Nokia are working with Palm, Sony > could form an alliance with them). Sony has already an alians with Palm in order to combine the Palm Pilot with the Memory Stick. > So who knows MD and WAP .. the way of the future ?? > Plug your mobile into the MD ... dial CDDB WAP ... download > the song titles to the MD unit ... presto .. done for probably less then > a 30 sec mobile phone call which costs someone between $0.05 > and $1.00 (totally dependant on service provider, time of day etc etc). > (Yeah, Yeah , I know this has some seriously flaws, but it's only > an idea !!) Hmm... sound cool > PS; I think the women would find the mini keyboard a lot > more sexier then your standard common garden variety 101 > keyboard. :) :) hahahaha Cheers, Ralph -> don't forget that the 101 keys IBM keyboard that weights more than 10 pounds will resist to everything. Therefore it will make the perfect murder weapon... Sory officer, but I happened to drop my IBM keyboard which happened to fall on his head. -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then something happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Micro keyboard for titling?
At 3/1/00 4:31 AM, Guy Churchill increased the world's knowledge by typing: >I may not have made it perfectly clear, but I was referring to >portable recorders NOT home decks (which I do prefer to see PS/2 port or >some type of PC comms link - USB preferred). Didn't I recently see something about Kenwood experimenting with adding FireWire to a MD deck? I believe their goal was to have it completely replace the current optical digital connections. Imagine the possibilities of putting such an interface on all audio and video equipment. (Many video cameras already have such an interface.) You could connect your computer to your A/V setup letting you do amazing stuff. For example, use the computer to title tracks, dump MP3s DIRECTLY to MD, use MD Data disks to hold and display pictures on computer, TV, or any other viewing device, or have the computer scan video signals for certain topics and have the VCR (or DVD RAM) record the show, or record that show you wanted after the football game *finally* ends, etc. FireWire would also make a great independent standard. No more "I have to buy a Sony to match the rest of my system." Does anyone know if something like this is coming down the pike? Ed "What the" Heckman [EMAIL PROTECTED] +--+ | Determine that the thing can and shall be done, and then we | | shall find the way. | | -- Abraham Lincoln | +--+ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Micro keyboard for titling?
> Just add a PS/2 interface to the portable and the problem is solved > They did it for the home-decks, why not for portables? AFAIK the keyboard draws power ... and although it maybe not much, it might make a difference ... also for field recordings I'd rather carry around a mini keyboard (like the Ericsson one I described) then carry a 101 (or even 88) key keyboard in my MD pouch. (Plus it'd double up duties for my mobile phone SMS, if compatible). I may not have made it perfectly clear, but I was referring to portable recorders NOT home decks (which I do prefer to see PS/2 port or some type of PC comms link - USB preferred). Because Ericsson has joined with Psion to develop cross platform communications, perhaps Sony should be looking at joining them for products like this. (Similarly Nokia are working with Palm, Sony could form an alliance with them). Or maybe we should wait for WAP to take off. For those who don't know what WAP is. Nokia describes it as: WAP is the gateway to a new world of mobile data. It provides a universal standard which enables users to easily access Web-based interactive information services and applications from the screens of their mobile phones. These include both consumer and corporate solutions, like e-mail, corporate data, news, sports and information services, entertainment, TV/movies, travel, leisure, culture, medical care, electronic commerce transactions and banking services. This is only the beginning. Nokia & WAP Wireless Application Protocol (WAP) provides a universal open standard for bringing Internet content and advanced Value Added Services to mobile phones and other wireless devices. As such, WAP is at the heart of Total Connectivity usage. So who knows MD and WAP .. the way of the future ?? Plug your mobile into the MD ... dial CDDB WAP ... download the song titles to the MD unit ... presto .. done for probably less then a 30 sec mobile phone call which costs someone between $0.05 and $1.00 (totally dependant on service provider, time of day etc etc). (Yeah, Yeah , I know this has some seriously flaws, but it's only an idea !!) Cheers GC PS; I think the women would find the mini keyboard a lot more sexier then your standard common garden variety 101 keyboard. :) :) hahahaha - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Micro keyboard for titling?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >>> I was reading the Guinness Book of Records and I > >>> came across the worlds smallest keypad (Thin and 60% > >>> the size of a credit card) > > >> Thanks for the interesting idea Hassan. I agree that a thin membrane > >> keyboard integrated into the back surface of an MD portable would be > >> very cool. I'm forwarding your note to the MD mailing list. -Rick >> > > > Somebody out there should write some kind of program or design some piece of > > hardware to allow MD users to use one of those hella cool folding keyboards > > designed from use with PDA's. THat would be worth my money > > My Ericsson mobile phone (GF768) and all new Ericsson phones have a plugin > keyboard about 10cm x 5cm to allow easy SMS. The same principles could > be applied to MD ... it would not be hard to design a similar system using the > remote input pins to accept the mini keyboard. The buttons are smallish but > well spaced so hitting a wrong button is rare (even easier to use with the end of a > pen) ... The mini keyboard could have direct connection to the MD unit or via > a short 10cm cable (so you can rest it on a desk or similar flat surface). > Cost ??? well the Ericsson mini keyboard is $50 AUD sometimes even free > with certain mobile plans. So at about $30 USD I think it'd sell like hotcakes!! > > Just another idea for the marketing and research guys to work on. You would think > that a company as large as Sony would encourage ideas from it's users and at least > be "snooping" on this list cause THIS is where all the best ideas I've ever read > regarding MD have come from > > Cheers GC Just add a PS/2 interface to the portable and the problem is solved They did it for the home-decks, why not for portables? Cheers, Ralph -> Unless the problem lies in the fact that PS/2 keyboards have no End-Search button. -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then something happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Micro keyboard for titling?
>>> I was reading the Guinness Book of Records and I >>> came across the worlds smallest keypad (Thin and 60% >>> the size of a credit card) >> Thanks for the interesting idea Hassan. I agree that a thin membrane >> keyboard integrated into the back surface of an MD portable would be >> very cool. I'm forwarding your note to the MD mailing list. -Rick >> > Somebody out there should write some kind of program or design some piece of > hardware to allow MD users to use one of those hella cool folding keyboards > designed from use with PDA's. THat would be worth my money My Ericsson mobile phone (GF768) and all new Ericsson phones have a plugin keyboard about 10cm x 5cm to allow easy SMS. The same principles could be applied to MD ... it would not be hard to design a similar system using the remote input pins to accept the mini keyboard. The buttons are smallish but well spaced so hitting a wrong button is rare (even easier to use with the end of a pen) ... The mini keyboard could have direct connection to the MD unit or via a short 10cm cable (so you can rest it on a desk or similar flat surface). Cost ??? well the Ericsson mini keyboard is $50 AUD sometimes even free with certain mobile plans. So at about $30 USD I think it'd sell like hotcakes!! Just another idea for the marketing and research guys to work on. You would think that a company as large as Sony would encourage ideas from it's users and at least be "snooping" on this list cause THIS is where all the best ideas I've ever read regarding MD have come from Cheers GC - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Micro keyboard for titling?
In a message dated 2/29/00 10:13:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Hassan Yate writes: >On the subject of NAMING for minidiscs. > I was reading the Guinness Book of Records and I >came across the worlds smallest keypad (Thin and 60% >the size of a credit card) invented by a David Levay >from the University of Massachusetts. It made me think >of the possibility of these being fitted on portable >mindiscs. >I've being using an MZ-R55 which was well >designed for naming but still, it takes a while. >Anyway Just a thought. >I'm out. Thanks for the interesting idea Hassan. I agree that a thin membrane keyboard integrated into the back surface of an MD portable would be very cool. I'm forwarding your note to the MD mailing list. -Rick >> Somebody out there should write some kind of program or design some piece of hardware to allow MD users to use one of those hella cool folding keyboards designed from use with PDA's. THat would be worth my money Gary - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
