Re: Traceroute with ASN

2005-03-16 Thread Larry J. Blunk

On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 15:03 -0800, Bruce Pinsky wrote:
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> | On 3/15/05 3:11 AM, "Ziggy David Lubowa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> |>
> |>On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:51:32 +0800 (CST), Joe Shen wrote
> |>
> |>>Yes.  Can I do this on a Linux box without having to
> |>>install Zebra BGP on it?
> |>
> |>Doesnt look like you have to,  below is the link to the tarball
> |>
> |>http://oppleman.com/dl/?file=lft-2.3.tar.gz
> |
> |
> | I believe the author of LFT is working on a new release that does *not* use
> | the oft-times incorrect radb data, but instead pulls from a router (not sure
> | of the source) somewhere.
> |
> 
> Would probably be nice to have a command-line option to specify the source
> from either:
> 
> - - an RADB formatted source
> - - a Zebra or Quaaga BGP daemon
> - - via SNMP from a BGP capable device

  A 4th option would be the Routeviews DNS based mapping service
at asn.routeviews.org.   See --

 http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/2003-09/msg00832.html

  An advantage here is that you get caching for free.




Re: Traceroute with ASN

2005-03-16 Thread Charles Arsenault

Is there any new development happening with the NANOG traceroute project?   

ftp://ftp.login.com/pub/software/traceroute/

On 2005.03.15 15:03:12 %z, Bruce Pinsky wrote:
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> Brett Watson wrote:
> | On 3/15/05 3:11 AM, "Ziggy David Lubowa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> |>On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:51:32 +0800 (CST), Joe Shen wrote
> |>
> |>>Yes.  Can I do this on a Linux box without having to
> |>>install Zebra BGP on it?
> |>
> |>Doesnt look like you have to,  below is the link to the tarball
> |>
> |>http://oppleman.com/dl/?file=lft-2.3.tar.gz
> |
> |
> | I believe the author of LFT is working on a new release that does *not* 
> use
> | the oft-times incorrect radb data, but instead pulls from a router (not 
> sure
> | of the source) somewhere.
> |
> 
> Would probably be nice to have a command-line option to specify the source
> from either:
> 
> - - an RADB formatted source
> - - a Zebra or Quaaga BGP daemon
> - - via SNMP from a BGP capable device
> 
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Re: Traceroute with ASN

2005-03-15 Thread Edward B. Dreger

ML> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:00:58 -0700
ML> From: Michael Loftis

ML> RADB charges for ability to register and update.

AltDB is, well, an alternative RR.


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Re: Traceroute with ASN

2005-03-15 Thread Bruce Pinsky
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Brett Watson wrote:
| On 3/15/05 3:11 AM, "Ziggy David Lubowa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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|>On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:51:32 +0800 (CST), Joe Shen wrote
|>
|>>Yes.  Can I do this on a Linux box without having to
|>>install Zebra BGP on it?
|>
|>Doesnt look like you have to,  below is the link to the tarball
|>
|>http://oppleman.com/dl/?file=lft-2.3.tar.gz
|
|
| I believe the author of LFT is working on a new release that does *not* use
| the oft-times incorrect radb data, but instead pulls from a router (not sure
| of the source) somewhere.
|
Would probably be nice to have a command-line option to specify the source
from either:
- - an RADB formatted source
- - a Zebra or Quaaga BGP daemon
- - via SNMP from a BGP capable device
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Re: Traceroute with ASN

2005-03-15 Thread Brett Watson

On 3/15/05 3:11 AM, "Ziggy David Lubowa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:51:32 +0800 (CST), Joe Shen wrote
>> Yes.  Can I do this on a Linux box without having to
>> install Zebra BGP on it?
> 
> Doesnt look like you have to,  below is the link to the tarball
> 
> http://oppleman.com/dl/?file=lft-2.3.tar.gz

I believe the author of LFT is working on a new release that does *not* use
the oft-times incorrect radb data, but instead pulls from a router (not sure
of the source) somewhere.

-b






Re: Traceroute with ASN

2005-03-15 Thread Michael Loftis

--On Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:22 AM -0800 Bruce Pinsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

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Ziggy David Lubowa wrote:
| On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:51:32 +0800 (CST), Joe Shen wrote
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|> Yes.  Can I do this on a Linux box without having to
|> install Zebra BGP on it?
|
|
| Doesnt look like you have to,  below is the link to the tarball
|
| http://oppleman.com/dl/?file=lft-2.3.tar.gz
|
According to the doc, it relies on RADB for its info, so it *might* not be
as accurate as an actual BGP feed.
I'm certain in many cases it isn't.  Since many OPs dont'e ven know about 
RADB, and RADB charges for ability to register and update.  How much? 
$250/yr.  That's buried on their 'about' page.  Why?  I don't know, 
terrible site design though.  Who goes into an 'about' page looking for 
billing information or fee schedules or price lists.




Re: Traceroute with ASN

2005-03-15 Thread Bill Nash
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005, Bruce Pinsky wrote:
Ziggy David Lubowa wrote:
| On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:51:32 +0800 (CST), Joe Shen wrote
|
|>Yes.  Can I do this on a Linux box without having to
|>install Zebra BGP on it?
| Doesnt look like you have to,  below is the link to the tarball
|
| http://oppleman.com/dl/?file=lft-2.3.tar.gz
|
According to the doc, it relies on RADB for its info, so it *might* not be
as accurate as an actual BGP feed.
Also, don't run it as an automated tool, unless you tweak the source to 
use your local radb mirror.

- billn


Re: Traceroute with ASN

2005-03-15 Thread Rene Wilhelm

> | Doesnt look like you have to,  below is the link to the tarball
> |
> | http://oppleman.com/dl/?file=lft-2.3.tar.gz
> |
> 
> 
> According to the doc, it relies on RADB for its info, so it *might* not be
> as accurate as an actual BGP feed.

Indeed. That's why we've created "RISwhois" [1], a whois interface to
the BGP data collected by RIPE NCC's RIS project [2].  You query
riswhois.ripe.net like you'd query whois.ra.net, but the data
returned are from active BGP feeds, not manually registered objects.

Since RISwhois uses the same format as RADB, it's trivial to have lft
consult the RIS BGP tables: simply replace the string "whois.ra.net"
by "riswhois.ripe.net" in the whois.c file and recompile.

-- Rene


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http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-47/presentations/ripe47-eof-riswhois.pdf

[2] http://www.ripe.net/projects/ris/index.html


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Re: Traceroute with ASN

2005-03-15 Thread Bruce Pinsky
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Ziggy David Lubowa wrote:
| On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:51:32 +0800 (CST), Joe Shen wrote
|
|>Yes.  Can I do this on a Linux box without having to
|>install Zebra BGP on it?
|
|
| Doesnt look like you have to,  below is the link to the tarball
|
| http://oppleman.com/dl/?file=lft-2.3.tar.gz
|
According to the doc, it relies on RADB for its info, so it *might* not be
as accurate as an actual BGP feed.
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Re: Traceroute with ASN

2005-03-15 Thread Ziggy David Lubowa

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:51:32 +0800 (CST), Joe Shen wrote
> Yes.  Can I do this on a Linux box without having to
> install Zebra BGP on it?

Doesnt look like you have to,  below is the link to the tarball

http://oppleman.com/dl/?file=lft-2.3.tar.gz

> 
> Joe
> 
> > 
> > Something like this?
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# lft www.level3.net -A
> > 
> > Tracing .
> > 
> > TTL  LFT trace to Level3.com (209.245.19.41):80/tcp
> >   1   [AS24730] amsterdam-c1-f1.prolocation.net
> > (81.23.230.1) 0.5ms
> >   2   [AS9057]
> > ge-2-0-185.ipcolo1.Amsterdam1.Level3.net
> > (213.244.164.197) 0.8ms
> >   3   [AS9057] ae-0-53.mp1.Amsterdam1.Level3.net
> > (213.244.165.65) 1.4ms
> >   4   [AS9057] ae-1-0.bbr1.London2.Level3.net
> > (212.187.128.46) 8.6ms
> >   5   [AS3356] as-0-0.bbr2.Washington1.Level3.net
> > (4.68.128.102) 81.3ms
> >   6   [AS3356] as-0-0.bbr1.Denver1.Level3.net
> > (209.247.11.21) 127.3ms
> >   7   [AS3356] so-6-0.hsa1.Denver1.Level3.net
> > (4.68.112.154) 127.9ms
> >   8   [AS3356] se3-0.public1.Broomfield1.Level3.net
> > (209.245.16.18) 128.7ms
> > **   [neglected] no reply packets received from TTL
> > 9
> > 10   [AS3356] [target] Level3.com (209.245.19.41):80
> > 129.0ms
> > 
> > bye,
> > Raymond.
> >
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Re: Traceroute with ASN

2005-03-15 Thread Joe Shen

Yes.  Can I do this on a Linux box without having to
install Zebra BGP on it? 

Joe

> 
> Something like this?
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# lft www.level3.net -A
> 
> Tracing .
> 
> TTL  LFT trace to Level3.com (209.245.19.41):80/tcp
>   1   [AS24730] amsterdam-c1-f1.prolocation.net
> (81.23.230.1) 0.5ms
>   2   [AS9057]
> ge-2-0-185.ipcolo1.Amsterdam1.Level3.net
> (213.244.164.197) 0.8ms
>   3   [AS9057] ae-0-53.mp1.Amsterdam1.Level3.net
> (213.244.165.65) 1.4ms
>   4   [AS9057] ae-1-0.bbr1.London2.Level3.net
> (212.187.128.46) 8.6ms
>   5   [AS3356] as-0-0.bbr2.Washington1.Level3.net
> (4.68.128.102) 81.3ms
>   6   [AS3356] as-0-0.bbr1.Denver1.Level3.net
> (209.247.11.21) 127.3ms
>   7   [AS3356] so-6-0.hsa1.Denver1.Level3.net
> (4.68.112.154) 127.9ms
>   8   [AS3356] se3-0.public1.Broomfield1.Level3.net
> (209.245.16.18) 128.7ms
> **   [neglected] no reply packets received from TTL
> 9
> 10   [AS3356] [target] Level3.com (209.245.19.41):80
> 129.0ms
> 
> bye,
> Raymond.
> 

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Re: Traceroute with ASN

2005-03-15 Thread leo vegoda
On Mar 15, 2005, at 10:29 am, Joe Shen wrote:
maybe this is a OLD question. But, where can I get a
traceroute program which can show ASN beside each hop
IP address?
I know router with full BGP routes could traceroute
with ASN, but can a linux box do the same?
Try prtraceroute?
prtraceroute
prints the route and policy information  packets take to a network host
http://www.isc.org/index.pl?/sw/IRRToolSet/
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Re: Traceroute with ASN

2005-03-15 Thread Raymond Dijkxhoorn
Hi!
maybe this is a OLD question. But, where can I get a
traceroute program which can show ASN beside each hop
IP address?
Something like this?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# lft www.level3.net -A
Tracing .
TTL  LFT trace to Level3.com (209.245.19.41):80/tcp
 1   [AS24730] amsterdam-c1-f1.prolocation.net (81.23.230.1) 0.5ms
 2   [AS9057] ge-2-0-185.ipcolo1.Amsterdam1.Level3.net (213.244.164.197) 0.8ms
 3   [AS9057] ae-0-53.mp1.Amsterdam1.Level3.net (213.244.165.65) 1.4ms
 4   [AS9057] ae-1-0.bbr1.London2.Level3.net (212.187.128.46) 8.6ms
 5   [AS3356] as-0-0.bbr2.Washington1.Level3.net (4.68.128.102) 81.3ms
 6   [AS3356] as-0-0.bbr1.Denver1.Level3.net (209.247.11.21) 127.3ms
 7   [AS3356] so-6-0.hsa1.Denver1.Level3.net (4.68.112.154) 127.9ms
 8   [AS3356] se3-0.public1.Broomfield1.Level3.net (209.245.16.18) 128.7ms
**   [neglected] no reply packets received from TTL 9
10   [AS3356] [target] Level3.com (209.245.19.41):80 129.0ms
bye,
Raymond.


Traceroute with ASN

2005-03-15 Thread Joe Shen

Hi,

maybe this is a OLD question. But, where can I get a
traceroute program which can show ASN beside each hop
IP address?

I know router with full BGP routes could traceroute
with ASN, but can a linux box do the same?

thanks

Joe




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