Re: [newbie] Update Blew Away OO.o Again/Sound

2003-12-14 Thread Anne Wilson 
On Sunday 14 Dec 2003 10:10 pm, Langsley T Russell wrote:
>
> Then I clicked on player settings. I noted that "Use External
> Player" was checked but that no player was specified. I deselected
> the use external player option and tried again. I selected the KDE
> open wav file and hit the play button. The resulting sound rose me
> from my chair, startled everyone in the house, and sent the dogs
> barking to get out. After letting the dogs out,I adjusted the
> volume and tried again with much less startling results.
>
> So apparently the problem all along was that somehow or other the
> use external player option was selected at some point. During the
> update?? I don't know, but my sound system appears to be working at
> this point.
>
> Thanks again to everybody for all the help with this!!
>
LOL - glad you got it sorted

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Re: [newbie] Update Blew Away OO.o Again/Sound

2003-12-14 Thread Langsley T Russell 
On Sun, 2003-12-14 at 15:52, Anne Wilson wrote:

> I couldn't say about that particular card, but my older machine has a 
> SB Live!5.1 which shows up as an es1371.  My original SB Live!5.1 
> used the emu10k1, but this one will not run with that driver.  It 
> seems that boards having the same name do not necessarily mean that 
> they are identical.
> 
> In this box I have an Audigy Platinum.  The default for that is OSS, 
> but emu10k2 is an alternative driver.  I found that I got much better 
> results by changing to that.  If you are offered an alternative 
> driver, try it.  You can always change it back if it doesn't help.
> 
> Anne

Following your suggestion I changed the driver to the other option
offered. Then I thought "how do I test it?"
I opened the Configuration-KDE-Look and Feel-system notifications and
tested one of the wav choices. Still no sound. So I went back and
changed the driver back to the original es1371. 

I returned again to the System notification configuration and tried
again. Still no sound. So I figured I'd try playing with any setting
options I could find basically setting everything to maximum.  Still no
luck. 

Then I clicked on player settings. I noted that "Use External Player"
was checked but that no player was specified. I deselected the use
external player option and tried again. I selected the KDE open wav file
and hit the play button. The resulting sound rose me from my chair,
startled everyone in the house, and sent the dogs barking to get out.
After letting the dogs out,I adjusted the volume and tried again with
much less startling results. 

So apparently the problem all along was that somehow or other the use
external player option was selected at some point. During the update?? I
don't know, but my sound system appears to be working at this point. 

Thanks again to everybody for all the help with this!! 

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Re: [newbie] Update Blew Away OO.o Again/Sound

2003-12-14 Thread Langsley T Russell 
Charlie, you said:

> The next thing you need to do is open a terminal, become super user
> and run the command drakxservices. Be sure sound is set to start at
> boot as well as alsa if 
> that's what you're using. Just scroll down the list and find the
> services set to start at boot. If those two aren't in state "running"
> click the relevant 
> Start buttons to activate them.

I ran the drakxservices command and found that sound is indeed set to
start at boot. alsa, on the other hand, is not. I tried clicking on
start and got the message "alsa driver not running" I clicked on start
at boot and clicked on the start button again and got the same message.
So I deselected start at boot for alsa and closed the window. 

I then ran draksound. The info in the window is as follows, 
Your card currently uses the OSS "es1371" driver (default driver
for your card is "es1371")

I opened the drakservices window again to look for the settings for OSS.
Of course there is no listing for OSS or "es1371 in the drakxservices
window.

I reopened the draksound window and clicked on troubleshooting. This
simply brought up a window telling me what various commands tell me.
/sbin/lsmod said it would tell me whether or not the driver is loaded so
I typed /sbin/lsmod at the command prompt and waited. Obviously nothing
was happening, so, after a while I closed the sound configuration
window. Once I closed the sound configuration window, the previously
entered /sbin/lsmod produced the following.
/sbin/lsmod
Module   Size  Used byNot tainted
ppp_deflate  4472   0  (autoclean)
bsd_comp 5400   0  (autoclean)
lp   8160   0
parport_pc  25544   1
parport 34472   1  [lp parport_pc]
mga 98332  14
agpgart 48292   3  (autoclean)
es1371  27788   1
ac97_codec  15828   0  [es1371]
soundcore6340   0  [es1371]
gameport 3268   0  [es1371]
ppp_async9312   1
ppp_generc  24292   3  [ppp_deflate bsd_comp ppp_async]
slhc 6564   0  [ppp_generic]
af_packet   14856   0  (autoclean)
sr_mod  19384   0  (autoclean)
floppy  55932   0
nls_iso8859- 3484   2  (autoclean)
nls_cp8504284   2  (autoclean)
vfat11820   2  (autoclean)
fat 38040   0  (autoclean) [vfat]
supermount  84032   3  (autoclean)
ide-cd  33956   0
cdrom   32608   0  [sr_mod ide-cd]
ide-scsi11376   0
usb-uhci25136   0  (unused)
usbcore 74988   1  [usb-uhci]
rtc  9004   0  (autoclean)
ext360048   2
jbd 39264   2  [ext3]
sd_mod  12188   0  (unused)
aic7xxx162160   0
scsi_mod93344   4  [sr_mod ide-scsi sd_mod aic7xxx]

I wish I could say I understand any of this, but unfortunately, that is
just not the case.

It appeared that other commands listed only offered the information
already contained in the sound configuration window, so I didn't bother
running any of them. 

I did click on the help button and found that apparently alsa is a
newer, "more powerful" alternative to OSS. But does that mean I should
be using alsa in spite of the fact that OSS is apparently the default
for my sound card? Or did I misinterpret the information in the sound
configuration window? If alsa is what is needed, how do I start it?

Thanks again for all the help and *patience*!

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Re: [newbie] Update Blew Away OO.o Again/Sound

2003-12-13 Thread Anne Wilson 
On Saturday 13 Dec 2003 7:00 pm, Charlie Mahan wrote:
> > Glad to see that you're flying the flag while I'm away, Charlie.
>
> I know my only "contributions" to the Wiki have been in the form of
> copy and pastes from answers I've posted. By others. For that I
> apologize. But since I was one of the "Professional $#!t
> disturbers" whose endless complaining seems to have caused Vincent
> to set it up for us it only seems fair that I start somewhere.
>
> I promise that as soon as things slow a bit round here I'll post a
> few articles I've already written to the site.
>
> On condition that my dear friends Anne and Eric and Greg will
> delegate someone to proof read before they're posted? 
>
Any help you need, just ask.  But then with TWiki it's easy enough to 
go back and tidy up if necessary.  All offerings gratefully received.  
It's good to see the information growing.

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Re: [newbie] Update Blew Away OO.o Again/Sound

2003-12-13 Thread Charlie Mahan 
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Saturday 13 December 2003 11:44 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Saturday 13 Dec 2003 6:36 pm, Charlie Mahan wrote:
> > If you don't document the steps and solutions and how you achieved
> > the results Anne Wilson will string us both up. You have to post
> > your trials and tribulations and their resolution on the Community
> > Wiki.
> >
> > http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org
> >
> > That's the price of admission these days. lol
>
> Glad to see that you're flying the flag while I'm away, Charlie.

I know my only "contributions" to the Wiki have been in the form of copy and 
pastes from answers I've posted. By others. For that I apologize. But since I 
was one of the "Professional $#!t disturbers" whose endless complaining seems 
to have caused Vincent to set it up for us it only seems fair that I start 
somewhere. 

I promise that as soon as things slow a bit round here I'll post a few 
articles I've already written to the site.

On condition that my dear friends Anne and Eric and Greg will delegate someone 
to proof read before they're posted? 

Someone has to help me keep my verbal diarrhoea in check. LOL

> > Hang in there Langsley. I still say you can do this.
>
> Keep at it, Langsley.  I'm sure you'll get there.
>
> Anne

Thanks Anne.

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Re: [newbie] Update Blew Away OO.o Again/Update Sources

2003-12-13 Thread Charlie Mahan 
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Saturday 13 December 2003 11:36 am, Langsley T Russell wrote:
> Hello yet again, Charlie.
>
> You said:
> > Frankly I'd recommend you remove both. The source for what you want
> > was called
> > updates by Mandrake Update once upon a time, now it's called
> > update_source,
> > next week who the hell knows.  Just nuke both and let Mandrake
> > Update set
> > a new one up. Then you won't care what it's called either. (-:
>
> I'm a little unclear, OK more than a little unclear, as to just what
> "...let Mandrake Update set a new one up." means.

> I removed update_source (I thought I would do them one at a time in case
> I screwed something up) but I know of no way to "let Mandrake Update set
> a new one up." The only way I see is to add it back by hand in
> "configure media". I could do that, I think, but if it would be
> preferable to let mandrake do it, that's what I want to do.

After you get rid of updates and update_source OK out of the software media 
manager screen and click Mandrake Update. You'll have to give it permissions 
when it asks. After it's set up be sure to check all three boxes, Security, 
Bug-fixes, Normal.

> What must I do to "let mandrake set up a new one" on its own? At this
> point there is no update_source on my "configure media" list.
>
> LTR  }}:{(
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The update_source is what Mandrake Update will call it after you set it back 
up. Just get rid of updates and stay away from stealth.net. I gave the rest 
of the instructions you need above. 

Any time I skip steps please yell at me. At times even my addled old brain 
works faster than my fingers can type. (-;

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Re: [newbie] Update Blew Away OO.o Again/Sound

2003-12-13 Thread Anne Wilson 
On Saturday 13 Dec 2003 6:36 pm, Charlie Mahan wrote:
>
> If you don't document the steps and solutions and how you achieved
> the results Anne Wilson will string us both up. You have to post
> your trials and tribulations and their resolution on the Community
> Wiki.
>
> http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org
>
> That's the price of admission these days. lol
>
Glad to see that you're flying the flag while I'm away, Charlie.

> > I'm running a  âSound Blaster AudioPCI64V/AudioPCI128 That's the
> > way it is listed by HardDrake in Mandrake Control Center, which I
> > believe is reasonably accurate. It is an old PCI card from a
> > previous box.
> >
> > Thanks again.
> >
> > LTR  }}:{(
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>
> Hang in there Langsley. I still say you can do this.
>
Keep at it, Langsley.  I'm sure you'll get there.

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Re: [newbie] Update Blew Away OO.o Again/Sound

2003-12-13 Thread Charlie Mahan 
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Saturday 13 December 2003 10:35 am, Langsley T Russell wrote:
> Hi again Charlie.
>
> You said:
> > I thought that was fixed, or have I confused this thread with another?
> > What sound card (on-board, PCI card???) chip-set? Do you have aumix
> > installed, if
> > not I recommend you do so and post the output of
> >
> > aumix -q
>
> OK, I installed aumix and below is the output resulting from aumix -q.
>
> vol 64, 64
> pcm 64, 64
> speaker 64, 64
> line 64, 64, R
> mic 64, 64, P
> cd 64, 64, P
> igain 64, 64, P
> line1 64, 64, P
> phin 64, 64, P
> phout 64, 64
> video 64, 64, P
>
> I hope it means something to you because it sure doesn't to me. ;~)

So shoot me, I prefer plain text configuration files. Besides that was easier 
to copy and paste than a lot of individual displays from a GUI wasn't it? 
Smaller than a screen shot too. (-;

Those are the volume levels set for your sound system. The next thing you need 
to do is open a terminal, become super user and run the command 
drakxservices. Be sure sound is set to start at boot as well as alsa if 
that's what you're using. Just scroll down the list and find the services set 
to start at boot. If those two aren't in state "running" click the relevant 
Start buttons to activate them. Anything you aren't sure of just click the 
info button.

After you've done that close the services by clicking OK and when you are back 
at the command prompt run the draksound command. We shall see what results 
from clicking the trouble shooting button. Follow the instructions displayed. 
Post any interesting messages you see in the terminal or any problems or 
errors and warnings.

We'll try different alternatives if we can't make the setup work as it is now. 
Later. (-:

The list needs to know what driver your sound system is currently set to use 
and whether you are offered any alternatives. The output of the commands you 
run as suggested in the trouble shooting dialogue. Assuming of course this 
doesn't result in having sound working. Even if it does you'll need to keep a 
text file of what you did, what you had to do, and the result of any 
aggravation from well meaning idiots like me.  

If you don't document the steps and solutions and how you achieved the results 
Anne Wilson will string us both up. You have to post your trials and 
tribulations and their resolution on the Community Wiki. 

http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org

That's the price of admission these days. lol

> I'm running a  âSound Blaster AudioPCI64V/AudioPCI128 That's the way it
> is listed by HardDrake in Mandrake Control Center, which I believe is
> reasonably accurate. It is an old PCI card from a previous box.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> LTR  }}:{(
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Hang in there Langsley. I still say you can do this.

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Re: [newbie] Update Blew Away OO.o Again/Update Sources

2003-12-13 Thread Langsley T Russell 
Hello yet again, Charlie.

You said:
> Frankly I'd recommend you remove both. The source for what you want
> was called 
> updates by Mandrake Update once upon a time, now it's called
> update_source, 
> next week who the hell knows.  Just nuke both and let Mandrake
> Update set 
> a new one up. Then you won't care what it's called either. (-:

I'm a little unclear, OK more than a little unclear, as to just what
"...let Mandrake Update set a new one up." means.

I removed update_source (I thought I would do them one at a time in case
I screwed something up) but I know of no way to "let Mandrake Update set
a new one up." The only way I see is to add it back by hand in
"configure media". I could do that, I think, but if it would be
preferable to let mandrake do it, that's what I want to do.  

What must I do to "let mandrake set up a new one" on its own? At this
point there is no update_source on my "configure media" list.

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Re: [newbie] Update Blew Away OO.o Again/Sound

2003-12-13 Thread Langsley T Russell 
Hi again Charlie.

You said: 

> I thought that was fixed, or have I confused this thread with another?
> What sound card (on-board, PCI card???) chip-set? Do you have aumix
> installed, if 
> not I recommend you do so and post the output of 
> 
> aumix -q

OK, I installed aumix and below is the output resulting from aumix -q.

vol 64, 64
pcm 64, 64
speaker 64, 64
line 64, 64, R
mic 64, 64, P
cd 64, 64, P
igain 64, 64, P
line1 64, 64, P
phin 64, 64, P
phout 64, 64
video 64, 64, P

I hope it means something to you because it sure doesn't to me. ;~)

I'm running a  âSound Blaster AudioPCI64V/AudioPCI128 That's the way it
is listed by HardDrake in Mandrake Control Center, which I believe is
reasonably accurate. It is an old PCI card from a previous box.

Thanks again.

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Re: [newbie] Update Blew Away OO.o Again

2003-12-12 Thread Charlie Mahan 
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Friday 12 December 2003 5:02 pm, Langsley T Russell wrote:
> Hi again Charlie.
>
> You said:
> > OK, *which* freakin' directions?  The command line, right click the
> > K button or??? .
>
> Actually I opted for the right click on the K button. My reasons were
> basically two. 1- Working from the command line I would have had no idea
> how to undo what I did if it turned out to be wrong. 2- I'm working on
> promoting Linux on the desktop and for virtually everyone not proficient
> in Linux, very much including me, that means working from a GUI.

I was funnin' with ya. (-; As long as it works it matters not which method you 
chose, but for the timid lurkers out there a confirmation that either worked 
for a professed "less than proficient linux user" may increase their 
confidence levels.

> You also said:
> > I'll say it again Langsley, have a look at
> >
> > http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/ftp.php
> >
> > ftp.stealth.net doesn't even seem to be on the list. In fact I can't
> > connect
> > to ftp.stealth.net at all at the moment. I think I've given you a
> > couple of
> > alternative URLs for updates, the reason that one is disabled may be
> > that
> > there's no connection so the source is invalid. May be temporary or it
> > may be
> > permanent.
>
> I'm sorry if I seem not to be paying attention but I guess I'm a little
> confused about "updates" and "update_sources". Do I need both of these
> enabled? And is the same URL usable for both? From what you said in your
> response to me last spate of questions I'm taking it that Yes, both
> updates and update_sources should be enabled. I'm not quite as clear on
> whether or not the same URL is usable for both?

Don't apologize please! The point was that whether I posted that in response 
to you or not those aforementioned timid lurkers are reminded that there are 
ways to check server status. OK?

Frankly I'd recommend you remove both. The source for what you want was called 
updates by Mandrake Update once upon a time, now it's called update_source, 
next week who the hell knows.  Just nuke both and let Mandrake Update set 
a new one up. Then you won't care what it's called either. (-:

Just be sure the one you pick from the list is one that is shown and is 
recently synchronized from the list on the page mandrake secure that I 
posted.

> I now have the Mandrake Secure Updates site bookmarked for future
> reference.

Good, it's handy. It will occasionally answer the "what's wrong with the 
updates mirrors" question before it needs to be asked.

> Until I managed to successfully install Mandrake 8.2, I had been a
> Windows user since before W 3.1. My first installation of Windows was
> actually a FREE run time version which came bundled with a word
> processor.

> I've been dual booting since the install of Mandrake 8.2 but virtually
> never use windows at all any more. I had intended to delete windows
> completely from my computer once I got Mandrake 9.2 installed and
> running dependably. That is still my intent. These update problems have
> simply caused a slight delay.
>
> I really appreciate all the help in getting me to that point. With any
> fortuity, my PC will be completely Micro$oft free by the turn of the
> year. I'm sure I'll need a good of help in accomplishing that as well,
> but first things first.

Take your time. I'm aware of the good feelings one experiences knowing MS
is gone from ones life, but if you never boot to the other operating system 
the only real difference is the free disk space. I didn't nuke Windows 
completely until I gave away the original 13 GB hard drive this machine had 
to open a slot for another larger drive. I hadn't booted Windows for at least 
18 months at that point though.

> Oh yes, I still have no sound at all. Any ideas as to what the cause
> might be? That is somewhat less of an issue to me because, generally,
> the less noise-beeps, dings, chimes, etc. my computer makes the better I
> like it. However I would like to have it running properly.
>
> LTR  }}:{(
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I thought that was fixed, or have I confused this thread with another? What 
sound card (on-board, PCI card???) chip-set? Do you have aumix installed, if 
not I recommend you do so and post the output of 

aumix -q

You're doing fine. (-:

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Re: [newbie] Update Blew Away OO.o Again

2003-12-12 Thread Langsley T Russell 
Hi again Charlie.

You said:

> OK, *which* freakin' directions? (g> The command line, right click the
> K button or??? .

Actually I opted for the right click on the K button. My reasons were
basically two. 1- Working from the command line I would have had no idea
how to undo what I did if it turned out to be wrong. 2- I'm working on
promoting Linux on the desktop and for virtually everyone not proficient
in Linux, very much including me, that means working from a GUI. 

You also said:

> I'll say it again Langsley, have a look at
> 
> http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/ftp.php
> 
> ftp.stealth.net doesn't even seem to be on the list. In fact I can't
> connect 
> to ftp.stealth.net at all at the moment. I think I've given you a
> couple of 
> alternative URLs for updates, the reason that one is disabled may be
> that 
> there's no connection so the source is invalid. May be temporary or it
> may be 
> permanent.

I'm sorry if I seem not to be paying attention but I guess I'm a little
confused about "updates" and "update_sources". Do I need both of these
enabled? And is the same URL usable for both? From what you said in your
response to me last spate of questions I'm taking it that Yes, both
updates and update_sources should be enabled. I'm not quite as clear on
whether or not the same URL is usable for both?

I now have the Mandrake Secure Updates site bookmarked for future
reference. 

Until I managed to successfully install Mandrake 8.2, I had been a
Windows user since before W 3.1. My first installation of Windows was
actually a FREE run time version which came bundled with a word
processor. 

I've been dual booting since the install of Mandrake 8.2 but virtually
never use windows at all any more. I had intended to delete windows
completely from my computer once I got Mandrake 9.2 installed and
running dependably. That is still my intent. These update problems have
simply caused a slight delay.

I really appreciate all the help in getting me to that point. With any
fortuity, my PC will be completely Micro$oft free by the turn of the
year. I'm sure I'll need a good of help in accomplishing that as well,
but first things first. 

Oh yes, I still have no sound at all. Any ideas as to what the cause
might be? That is somewhat less of an issue to me because, generally,
the less noise-beeps, dings, chimes, etc. my computer makes the better I
like it. However I would like to have it running properly. 
 
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Re: [newbie] Update Blew Away OO.o Again

2003-12-12 Thread Charlie Mahan 
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Friday 12 December 2003 11:55 am, Langsley T Russell wrote:
> Hi Charlie and all who have offered assistance. Ti is truly appreciated.
>
> I'm sorry I'm so late in responding but I've been unusually busy this
> past week.

Busy is good. So are questions that I might be able to answer, since then I 
don't have to listen to the neighbours while I'm typing a reply.

Or "customers."  So thanks for an excuse to butt in again. (-;

> I did manage to restore (almost) my K menu per your directions. I now
> have OO back in the "Office" section of the menu as well as a heading
> for terminals. However the only thing under terminals is "Konsole".
> Previous to doing the update there were, I believe, four choices there,
> including midnight commander. I haven't yet figured out how to get the
> others back. I still have no run command accessible from my K menu.

OK, *which* freakin' directions? (g> The command line, right click the K 
button or???  The four choices _may_ have included midnight commander, have 
you installed it? I don't know if there's a menu item for it even if you did, 
I always call it from the command line when I need it. Just type mc in a 
terminal and strike the enter key. If you are looking for "Konsole (Super 
User Mode)" it isn't there any more. That's why I told you to hold the Alt 
button and strike F2 and type
konsole --type su
and strike the enter key. You can add the SU Konsole back to the menu I 
suppose (maybe, never tried it) by adding the relevant icon, name and 
command, or just drag the Konsole out of the menu, click copy here and right 
click the resulting icon click properties and change the execute command to 
that posted above. On the desktop not the menu but at least you'd have it.

You're also missing File Manager Super User mode from the menu. Everyone 
running 9.2 is. You can add an entry in the menu (maybe, as above) or again 
add an icon to the desktop. Right click, New>link to application, right click 
the new icon and the execute tab should have the command:

kdesu -nc konqueror

then you can change the icon to whatever you like. Click the icon on the 
general tab and select "Other icons" for some interesting ones. I'm using a 
small blue file cabinet icon listed as "archive section" when I add this to a 
"victim's" desktop.

> So It isn't fully restored, but I believe I'm getting closer.

Yeah, maybe. (-;

> After my last experience with Mandrake update I'm a little hesitant to
> try it again, although I'm going to have to before long as the update
> notices keep coming in.
>
> The URL I have for updates is:
> 
> Does that appear to be my best choice? BTW I live in Indiana, in north
> east central USA, if that is any help.

It's one of the faster choices. It doesn't really seem to matter where the 
mirror is in relation to your geographical fix. Available bandwidth in the 
connections between you and the server is more important. The closest 
relatively fast connection to you geographically would probably be the 
mirros.secsup.org connection but again it may be farther away in terms of 
bandwidth.

> The URL for update_source is:
> MS> Although update_source is not enabled in the configure media box. Should
> it be enabled? And, is the URL acceptable?

I'll say it again Langsley, have a look at

http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/ftp.php

ftp.stealth.net doesn't even seem to be on the list. In fact I can't connect 
to ftp.stealth.net at all at the moment. I think I've given you a couple of 
alternative URLs for updates, the reason that one is disabled may be that 
there's no connection so the source is invalid. May be temporary or it may be 
permanent. Who knows. Change to one of the others suggested in posts, or just 
remove that one in the software source manager and OK your way out of that, 
then let Mandrake Update suggest one that is working.

I just looked, the secsup mirror is still fairly fast from here, so is the 
rediris one.

ftp://mirrors.secsup.org/pub/linux/mandrake/Mandrake/updates/9.2/RPMS

ftp://ftp.rediris.es/mirror/mandrake/updates/9.2/RPMS

> I'm still trying to understand what caused my problems with the update.
> Hopefully each new problem brings some new understanding of both
> Mandrake and Linux.

At least you're willing to tough it out and make the best of things as a 
learning experience Langsley. Not that it matters, but for that you have 
earned my respect. If I can help I'll do my damnedest to do so. Kudos.

> Again thanks for all the help.
>
> LTR  }}:{(
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Re: [newbie] Update Blew Away OO.o Again

2003-12-09 Thread Charlie Mahan 
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Tuesday 09 December 2003 4:12 pm, Charlie Mahan wrote:

> To open a console have you tried holding the CTRL button and striking the
> F2 button? Type "konsole" in the resulting run command box then strike the
> enter key. Or if you want to go directly to super user mode type "konsole
> --type su" and strike the enter key. It should work. Leave out the quotes
> of course.

Sorry! That should be the Alt button and F2, not Ctrl. Damn!

Good luck and sorry again.
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Re: [newbie] Update Blew Away OO.o Again

2003-12-09 Thread John Richard Smith 
Langsley T Russell wrote:

The update to which I was referring is the "Mandrake Update" in the
Software Management section of Mandrake control Center.
If you have updated your sources then it has been updating all the 
outstanding packages to bring things up todate with current released 
packages for the entire OS. That can be big.

I've been getting notices from Mandrake virtually daily informing me of
important updates. Therefore once I got URPMI set up, I think, I thought
the first thing I should do was the update. Perhaps I was mistaken. I
know that a dial up connection isn't ideal, 

Well people disagree with me, but I don't like it , though my ISP can 
cut me off every 20 minutes during busy times, and alow me a couple of 
hours through the night.

but it's what I've got. My
ISP is a small, local operation and very accommodating. It is nearly
unheard of to get cut off by my ISP even after 10 hours or more of
logged on time. 

Ghosh, your not in the UK are you ?

Since posting my first request for help on this issue I've realized that
my main menu is now quite truncated. It has a total of 10 primary
listings or groups of listings. I don't for example have a run command
in the list. Many of the groups also have far fewer listings than
previously. The only thing listed under "Office" is "Address Books" and
"Time management". Networking now only has about four sub groups. There
is no instant messaging for example. More importantly, There is also no
listing for opening a console so doing anything from the command line is
literally impossible as far as I can see. And as I said in my first post
I have no sound. I've tried everything I can think of to get it back but
no success. All of these things combined would appear to indicate that
there are more difficulties than no OO. 

It really sounds screwed up to me, I have never known things that bad.
I take it you are updating from M9.1 to latest M9.2 . or M9.2 to latest 
M9.2.

Do I need to return to Easy URPMI and update the information? If so What
should I select and what should I leave unchecked?  

The thing is  if you are going to continue with urpmi you must update 
your sources first before attempting the update itself. So that urpmi 
knows what to download.

Providing I can find some way to open a console,can I continue to copy information from that site into a console with no ill effect? I guess the answer to that is no seeing as I've already managed to mess things up pretty well.
 

You should have a run field in kstart menu where you can type something 
like kwrite to get an editor. or konsole to get a terminal, now if you 
don't ever have a run field then provided you still have a home 
directory you can navigate to /usr/bin and left mouse click either 
kwrite or konsole that will bring them up and with those two features 
there aint much you cannot do in linux one way or another.

By the way do you have MCC and KDE CC in the kstart menu.

John

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Re: [newbie] Update Blew Away OO.o Again

2003-12-09 Thread Charlie Mahan 
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Tuesday 09 December 2003 3:33 pm, Langsley T Russell wrote:
> Hello again John, and thanks for your response.
>
> I didn't think I was being ignored, rather possibly that my questions
> left people at a loss.
>
> The update to which I was referring is the "Mandrake Update" in the
> Software Management section of Mandrake control Center.

If you added update_source manually you'll have trouble. In the source manager 
remove it and OK the result, then open Mandrake Update and let it offer you 
sources, pick one and go from there. I've had to do this for three people's 
systems, I don't know why.

Strange as it seems after that you can manually edit the address to pick a 
mirror you prefer and use that. Again, I have no clue why.

> I've been getting notices from Mandrake virtually daily informing me of
> important updates. Therefore once I got URPMI set up, I think, I thought
> the first thing I should do was the update. Perhaps I was mistaken. I
> know that a dial up connection isn't ideal, but it's what I've got. My
> ISP is a small, local operation and very accommodating. It is nearly
> unheard of to get cut off by my ISP even after 10 hours or more of
> logged on time.
>
> I wasn't trying to update OO, but, OTOH, I don't really know what I was
> trying to update other than trying to keep my installation of Mandrake
> 9.2 up to date.
>
> Since posting my first request for help on this issue I've realized that
> my main menu is now quite truncated. It has a total of 10 primary
> listings or groups of listings. I don't for example have a run command
> in the list. Many of the groups also have far fewer listings than
> previously. The only thing listed under "Office" is "Address Books" and
> "Time management". Networking now only has about four sub groups. There
> is no instant messaging for example. More importantly, There is also no
> listing for opening a console so doing anything from the command line is
> literally impossible as far as I can see. And as I said in my first post
> I have no sound. I've tried everything I can think of to get it back but
> no success. All of these things combined would appear to indicate that
> there are more difficulties than no OO.

Try to fix the menu trouble before you add any more software sources.

Log into a terminal as super user and use the update-menus -nv command. Then 
do the same as user. See below for a brief how-to open a terminal when your 
menus are whacked.

OR, right click the K menu button, panel menu  and click Configure Panel. 
After you get a menu display just click save. Another case of "HUH?" but it 
seemed to work for a lady I assembled a new system for last week.  This 
is GNU/Linux, anything, no matter how weird, is possible.

> Do I need to return to Easy URPMI and update the information? If so What
> should I select and what should I leave unchecked?  Providing I can find
> some way to open a console,can I continue to copy information from that
> site into a console with no ill effect? I guess the answer to that is no
> seeing as I've already managed to mess things up pretty well.

I doubt it but you can if you like. Since urpmi doesn't seem to care how many 
sources you configure, as long as you don't try to use the same name or 
identical URLs, I don't see why not.

To open a console have you tried holding the CTRL button and striking the F2 
button? Type "konsole" in the resulting run command box then strike the enter 
key. Or if you want to go directly to super user mode type "konsole --type 
su" and strike the enter key. It should work. Leave out the quotes of course.

> Once again thanks for all the help!!
>
> LTR  }}:{(
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Good luck and sorry to butt in again.
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Re: [newbie] Update Blew Away OO.o Again

2003-12-09 Thread Margot 
Langsley T Russell wrote:
Hello again John, and thanks for your response.

I didn't think I was being ignored, rather possibly that my questions
left people at a loss. 

The update to which I was referring is the "Mandrake Update" in the
Software Management section of Mandrake control Center.
I've been getting notices from Mandrake virtually daily informing me of
important updates. Therefore once I got URPMI set up, I think, I thought
the first thing I should do was the update. Perhaps I was mistaken. I
know that a dial up connection isn't ideal, but it's what I've got. My
ISP is a small, local operation and very accommodating. It is nearly
unheard of to get cut off by my ISP even after 10 hours or more of
logged on time. 

I wasn't trying to update OO, but, OTOH, I don't really know what I was
trying to update other than trying to keep my installation of Mandrake
9.2 up to date. 

Since posting my first request for help on this issue I've realized that
my main menu is now quite truncated. It has a total of 10 primary
listings or groups of listings. I don't for example have a run command
in the list. Many of the groups also have far fewer listings than
previously. The only thing listed under "Office" is "Address Books" and
"Time management". Networking now only has about four sub groups. There
is no instant messaging for example. More importantly, There is also no
listing for opening a console so doing anything from the command line is
literally impossible as far as I can see. And as I said in my first post
I have no sound. I've tried everything I can think of to get it back but
no success. All of these things combined would appear to indicate that
there are more difficulties than no OO. 

Do I need to return to Easy URPMI and update the information? If so What
should I select and what should I leave unchecked?  Providing I can find
some way to open a console,can I continue to copy information from that
site into a console with no ill effect? I guess the answer to that is no
seeing as I've already managed to mess things up pretty well.
Once again thanks for all the help!!

LTR  }}:{(
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First, go into MCC, click on Software Management, then on Software Media 
Manager. Check that you have a medium called 'updates' (without the 
quotes) and that it is enabled. If you don't have an 'updates' medium, 
get one from Easy Urpmi. If you do have one, but it hasn't been working, 
remove it and then install another from Easy Urpmi (you mustn't have two 
media with the same name, and it must be named 'updates').

Then, go into Mandrake Update. You should get a message 'Download of 
hdlist.cz from medium updates' with speed and time - mine takes about 10 
minutes on dialup.

You should then get the screen with the list of available updates, in 3 
sections: Security updates, Bugfixes updates and Normal updates. How 
many you get in each list depends on how many updates you have already 
done, and how many packages you have installed.

If there are a lot of updates, I tend to do them in batches because my 
ISP cuts me off after 2 hours - I do the Security batch first, then the 
Bugfixes, then the Normal.

I had the disappearing menu problem when I first installed 9.2, but it 
has now been fixed with one of these updates - I hope it works for you.

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Re: [newbie] Update Blew Away OO.o Again

2003-12-09 Thread Langsley T Russell 
Hello again John, and thanks for your response.

I didn't think I was being ignored, rather possibly that my questions
left people at a loss. 

The update to which I was referring is the "Mandrake Update" in the
Software Management section of Mandrake control Center.

I've been getting notices from Mandrake virtually daily informing me of
important updates. Therefore once I got URPMI set up, I think, I thought
the first thing I should do was the update. Perhaps I was mistaken. I
know that a dial up connection isn't ideal, but it's what I've got. My
ISP is a small, local operation and very accommodating. It is nearly
unheard of to get cut off by my ISP even after 10 hours or more of
logged on time. 

I wasn't trying to update OO, but, OTOH, I don't really know what I was
trying to update other than trying to keep my installation of Mandrake
9.2 up to date. 

Since posting my first request for help on this issue I've realized that
my main menu is now quite truncated. It has a total of 10 primary
listings or groups of listings. I don't for example have a run command
in the list. Many of the groups also have far fewer listings than
previously. The only thing listed under "Office" is "Address Books" and
"Time management". Networking now only has about four sub groups. There
is no instant messaging for example. More importantly, There is also no
listing for opening a console so doing anything from the command line is
literally impossible as far as I can see. And as I said in my first post
I have no sound. I've tried everything I can think of to get it back but
no success. All of these things combined would appear to indicate that
there are more difficulties than no OO. 

Do I need to return to Easy URPMI and update the information? If so What
should I select and what should I leave unchecked?  Providing I can find
some way to open a console,can I continue to copy information from that
site into a console with no ill effect? I guess the answer to that is no
seeing as I've already managed to mess things up pretty well.

Once again thanks for all the help!!

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Re: [newbie] Update Blew Away OO.o Again

2003-12-09 Thread cdrack 
sorry i maybe misst youre original post...

but let's do some thing about

you said that the problem begans after a update
process right...???

have you note that the urpmi had a bug and must be
updated by hand...???  the rpm manager was closing
wrong the data base so it causes the links
desapear

you must update this pakage by hand... unfortunately i
can't find the one you need maybe some one else can 

Cdrack.

--- Langsley T Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi All.
> 
> Having gotten no response to my original posting on
> this subject I'm
> left to wonder if I have simply totally messed up my
> current install of
> Mandrake 9.2 with my attempts to run update and
> therefore must simply
> reinstall? Or perhaps my questions were just too
> ignorant of the issues
> involved to be addressable in this forum. If that is
> the case, where can
> I turn? Somehow or other I must get Mandrake running
> properly. It is
> unusable for much of anything but email and web
> surfing at this point.
> Why Evolution and Mozilla are still working I have
> no idea. Obviously
> I'm in need of a lot of help! 
> 
> For anyone who might have some helpful advice, below
> is the complete
> text of my original post asking for help with this. 
> 
> Thanks again for all the help and patience. 
> 
> On Sun, 2003-12-07 at 18:58, Langsley T Russell
> wrote:
> > Hi all. I finally managed to update my mandrake
> 9.2 yesterday. I tried
> > deleting the lock file from the /var/lib/urpmi
> file as directed by
> > Derek, but was denied permission. So I thought I
> would change the
> > permissions and then delete the lock file. After
> adding the permission
> > to the /var/lib/urpmi directory I was able to
> download the update files
> > without even deleting the lock file. Should I
> still delete the lock
> > file? It took about 3 hours on my dial up
> connection to download the
> > updates but it went without a hitch, I thought.
> KMail has likewise
> > apparently been obliterated. 
> > 
> > When I booted up today I found that I no longer
> have the icons for any
> > of the OO.o programs in my kicker/panel. In there
> place are several gear
> > icons leading to nonexistent directories/files.I
> checked the "Office"
> > heading on my main menu and there is no sign of
> OO.o there either. What
> > did I do wrong? What must I do to get my OO.o
> programs back?
> > 
> > I also now find that I have 20+ Gzip files
> (actually they are packages) in my /var/lib/urpmi
> > directory. Should I do something with these? Are
> they even supposed to
> > be there?
> > 
> > I also now have about 30 text and XML files and
> about 24 directories in
> > my home directory Which weren't there previously.
> Is this expected? 
> > 
> > Should I remove the added permission
> for/var/lib/urpmi? 
> > 
> > Also I no longer have any sound. 
> > 
> > Any and all suggestions will be greatly
> appreciated.
> 
> LTR  }}:{(
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Re: [newbie] Update Blew Away OO.o Again

2003-12-09 Thread John Richard Smith 


Langsley,
I'm sure you are not being ignored.
I for one am not sure what you were trying to do with urpmi,
You talk about updating, but what ?
Updating the entire OS , or just OO
I would not even attempt an urpmi update of an entire OS with nothing 
but a dialup modem
It's just too slow, my ISP will cut me off, you have to start again, and 
things just get messed up.

If you feel that your ISP will not cut you off at some particular time 
of day , say late at night, then a urpmi update of say kde, or mozilla 
or OO , is fine. But an entire OS, I wouldn't even try it . Personally I 
would try to suss out what packages you need and use a download 
programme to download the packages to a safe directory and then proceed 
to install them manually. Other folk disagree with me, they use urpmi 
all the time, but I don't.

It seems to me you have gotten some broken download going on for you, 
therefore maybe it is recoverable, I just don't know,

I should try to describe your current situation and see if the list can 
help you retrieve the situation, if at the end of the day it's not easy 
enought to make amends, it's a reinstall, but all I can say is linux 
goes a long way before it's all up to that final option.

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[newbie] Update Blew Away OO.o Again

2003-12-09 Thread Langsley T Russell 
Hi All.

Having gotten no response to my original posting on this subject I'm
left to wonder if I have simply totally messed up my current install of
Mandrake 9.2 with my attempts to run update and therefore must simply
reinstall? Or perhaps my questions were just too ignorant of the issues
involved to be addressable in this forum. If that is the case, where can
I turn? Somehow or other I must get Mandrake running properly. It is
unusable for much of anything but email and web surfing at this point.
Why Evolution and Mozilla are still working I have no idea. Obviously
I'm in need of a lot of help! 

For anyone who might have some helpful advice, below is the complete
text of my original post asking for help with this. 

Thanks again for all the help and patience. 

On Sun, 2003-12-07 at 18:58, Langsley T Russell wrote:
> Hi all. I finally managed to update my mandrake 9.2 yesterday. I tried
> deleting the lock file from the /var/lib/urpmi file as directed by
> Derek, but was denied permission. So I thought I would change the
> permissions and then delete the lock file. After adding the permission
> to the /var/lib/urpmi directory I was able to download the update files
> without even deleting the lock file. Should I still delete the lock
> file? It took about 3 hours on my dial up connection to download the
> updates but it went without a hitch, I thought. KMail has likewise
> apparently been obliterated. 
> 
> When I booted up today I found that I no longer have the icons for any
> of the OO.o programs in my kicker/panel. In there place are several gear
> icons leading to nonexistent directories/files.I checked the "Office"
> heading on my main menu and there is no sign of OO.o there either. What
> did I do wrong? What must I do to get my OO.o programs back?
> 
> I also now find that I have 20+ Gzip files (actually they are packages) in my 
> /var/lib/urpmi
> directory. Should I do something with these? Are they even supposed to
> be there?
> 
> I also now have about 30 text and XML files and about 24 directories in
> my home directory Which weren't there previously. Is this expected? 
> 
> Should I remove the added permission for/var/lib/urpmi? 
> 
> Also I no longer have any sound. 
> 
> Any and all suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

LTR  }}:{(
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