Re: [newbie] Mandrake Update fails every time
Thanks for the suggestion, however, when I tried to uninstall some packages in order to upgrade them (cups, rpmdrake, rpm, rpmtools), a box appeared saying that all these other packages would be removed to satisfy dependencies. I clicked on "ok," and software manager closed without uninstalling anything. Software Manager used to work just fine with no problems the very first time I installed 8.0 on this machine, and has ceased to do so since, even when using fdisk to wipe out the linux partiton and reinstall from scratch. Terry On Tuesday 29 May 2001 19:48, you wrote: > > There aren't that many packages out there for update. > > You need to do te following > > Identify the installable packages, using ONLY the update source > > Remove the similar packages from your current system (one session) > > Now cllick on the new packages and they will be moved in. There was an > intermittent segfault while removing and installing packages at the same > time which the "already installed" covers. Software Manager uses rpm -ivh > or urpmi which will not install over an older version. > > As long as removal and installation are separate steps you will have no > problem. > > Civileme
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Update fails every time
WHOA! from the content of the last couple of emails on this I get the impression that you have mandrake 7.2 and are trying to update to 8.0 packages Simply forget it! You cannot use mandrakeUpdate in that fashion. Way WAY too much delta, plus incompatible binaries and libraries. 8.0 is backwards compatible to 7.2, but 7.2 is not forwards compatible to 8.0. We did modify library and packaging policies in 8.0 so a similar situation NEVER happens again, but this one remains--the difference in library dependencies alone is enough. Civileme
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Update fails every time
Well this email wanted me to use the Software Manager. I tried it on the list of Security updates that I had downloaded. Software Manager did not work it hung, tried the Package Manager, it hung (would not work) tried the MandrakeUpdate, it hung (would not work), tried rpm -Uvh it did nothing. At this time I was thinking I really had a hosed system. I fell back to a windoze soluation, rebotted, system had only been running 7 hours, and everything worked. MY POINT Jay did you try and reboot and then try the Software Manager. It is a nice tool and makes installing very easy. One thing that I did notice though is that it does a install, not a upgrade.. i.e. the package that your replacing does not get removed as in a upgrade. Another nice tool is the urpm it is a lot like the apt-get from Debian and is really nice to use. You can find info for it on the Mandrake web page, or from www.google.com/linux do a search. --- Jay DeKing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I use Mandrake Update as a reference tool only. It > has never once > removed the previously existing version of anything > I have updated. > > What I do is open a terminal window and login as su, > then run Mandrake > Update to see what needs an upgrade; I open a > browser window and go to > whichever mirror Mandrake Update is looking at; > download the rpm's and > go to my su terminal. There I do an rpm -Uvh on the > new rpms. This > updates them properly, and you get usable feedback > if there are > conflicts or dependency problems rather than the > terse "update failed" > message that Mandrake Update gives too often. > > After doing the manual installs, go back to Mandrake > Update and tell it > to update the package list; the ones just installed > will no longer be on > the list. > > I've tried the rpm --rebuilddb command and it makes > no difference, > because if the older rpms are still there Mandrake > Update won't notice > the new ones. It looks at the oldest version > currently installed. > > I wish I could take credit for coming up with this > procedure, but I had > the same problem when I first started using Mandrake > and another kind > list member clued me in to the limitations of the > Update program. > > Jay > > Civileme wrote: > > > > You need to remove the resources you do not want > to use from the lists if you > > want the update to work properly. Then you must > specify the external source > > precisely. > > > > There are very few updates available as yet, but I > would suspect that if it > > is aaying already installed on packages defnitely > not there, then > > > > rpm --rebuilddb > > > > from a command line in a terminal window, logged > as superuser, migth make all > > the differnce. > > > > If you really want to update, I recommend you use > software manager to REMOVE > > the files that will be updated, then in a separate > process, to install the > > new files. In some areas, rpmdrake/software > manager is still very much > > bleeding-edge. > > > > As far as WinNT comparisons, hmmm. I wasn't aware > that you could update > > 2000+ packages over the web with it. > > > > Civileme > > > > On Saturday 26 May 2001 06:02, Alex Potter wrote: > > > Each time I try to update my installation, > rpmdrake fails, saying the > > > packages already exists. > > > > > > The "installable files" shown in the "updates > only" list are all newer > > > versions than those installed. > > > > > > Is there any way of forcing this program > (Software Manager) to *update* > > > rather than just perform an install? Or is it > back to the command line to > > > download/update the individual packages? > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > So far, I must say, I'm not overly impressed > with Linux (Mandrake 8.0), > > > having come from a Windows NT environment, with > 15 years computing > > > experience. > > -- > > There is a fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental > illness'. > __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Update fails every time
I use Mandrake Update as a reference tool only. It has never once removed the previously existing version of anything I have updated. What I do is open a terminal window and login as su, then run Mandrake Update to see what needs an upgrade; I open a browser window and go to whichever mirror Mandrake Update is looking at; download the rpm's and go to my su terminal. There I do an rpm -Uvh on the new rpms. This updates them properly, and you get usable feedback if there are conflicts or dependency problems rather than the terse "update failed" message that Mandrake Update gives too often. After doing the manual installs, go back to Mandrake Update and tell it to update the package list; the ones just installed will no longer be on the list. I've tried the rpm --rebuilddb command and it makes no difference, because if the older rpms are still there Mandrake Update won't notice the new ones. It looks at the oldest version currently installed. I wish I could take credit for coming up with this procedure, but I had the same problem when I first started using Mandrake and another kind list member clued me in to the limitations of the Update program. Jay Civileme wrote: > > You need to remove the resources you do not want to use from the lists if you > want the update to work properly. Then you must specify the external source > precisely. > > There are very few updates available as yet, but I would suspect that if it > is aaying already installed on packages defnitely not there, then > > rpm --rebuilddb > > from a command line in a terminal window, logged as superuser, migth make all > the differnce. > > If you really want to update, I recommend you use software manager to REMOVE > the files that will be updated, then in a separate process, to install the > new files. In some areas, rpmdrake/software manager is still very much > bleeding-edge. > > As far as WinNT comparisons, hmmm. I wasn't aware that you could update > 2000+ packages over the web with it. > > Civileme > > On Saturday 26 May 2001 06:02, Alex Potter wrote: > > Each time I try to update my installation, rpmdrake fails, saying the > > packages already exists. > > > > The "installable files" shown in the "updates only" list are all newer > > versions than those installed. > > > > Is there any way of forcing this program (Software Manager) to *update* > > rather than just perform an install? Or is it back to the command line to > > download/update the individual packages? > > > > TIA > > > > Alex > > > > > > So far, I must say, I'm not overly impressed with Linux (Mandrake 8.0), > > having come from a Windows NT environment, with 15 years computing > > experience. -- There is a fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'.
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Update fails every time
You need to remove the resources you do not want to use from the lists if you want the update to work properly. Then you must specify the external source precisely. There are very few updates available as yet, but I would suspect that if it is aaying already installed on packages defnitely not there, then rpm --rebuilddb from a command line in a terminal window, logged as superuser, migth make all the differnce. If you really want to update, I recommend you use software manager to REMOVE the files that will be updated, then in a separate process, to install the new files. In some areas, rpmdrake/software manager is still very much bleeding-edge. As far as WinNT comparisons, hmmm. I wasn't aware that you could update 2000+ packages over the web with it. Civileme On Saturday 26 May 2001 06:02, Alex Potter wrote: > Each time I try to update my installation, rpmdrake fails, saying the > packages already exists. > > The "installable files" shown in the "updates only" list are all newer > versions than those installed. > > Is there any way of forcing this program (Software Manager) to *update* > rather than just perform an install? Or is it back to the command line to > download/update the individual packages? > > TIA > > Alex > > > So far, I must say, I'm not overly impressed with Linux (Mandrake 8.0), > having come from a Windows NT environment, with 15 years computing > experience.
