[RBW] Re: Pedal Strike - LongLow

[Philip Williamson]

I've grounded a pedal on the fixed Quickbeam a couple of times, once 
landing me in the street (funky turn across a speed bump), and more than 
once a big hop of the rear wheel. I also broke the insides of a fairly rare 
Fichtel & Sachs Automatic hub that way, and while I've replaced the broken 
driving ring, I haven't really ridden it since. i have lower--profile 
VP-001s on the Quickbeam now, and I try to remember "I can coast through 
this!" on the geared bike. I did that just today, pressing down hard on the 
outside pedal and leaning hard. I think taking the fun where it comes makes 
it easier to remember which bike is which. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 10:44:52 PM UTC-7, IanA wrote:
>
> Well, winter has finally passed and the road grit has mostly been swept 
> away, so the LongLow came out of storage (the livingroom - where else?) and 
> I was enjoying whipping along at speeds I'd all but forgotten about on my 
> 80's mountain bike that continues reliably in all conditions, but is dogged 
> about it.  The problem is that the mountain bike has a high bottom bracket 
> and will not pedal strike even when pedaling during tight lean through turn.
>
> First day out on the LL this year and I hit speeds of 55km/h (downhill), 
> but even on the flats the computer told me 40 km/h once or twice.  Such 
> fun.  Sadly, at quite low speed thankfully, I turned sharply, pedaling 
> through grounding my pedal and stalling the bike.  The pannier saved the 
> bike from scratches and I was unscathed.  A little rubber shaved off the 
> bar end shifter.
>
> It used to be my habit to coast through hard turns with the pedal in the 
> 12 o clock position on the lean side.  I'm concerned that I've been 
> retrained by my mountain bike.  I'm worried that I'll forget one time too 
> many.  Does this happen to anyone else?  If so, does the body remember when 
> the mind is absent?  The LL has such a low bb that if one forgets pedal 
> strike is to be expected.
>
> Ian A/the unfrozen north.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 7-speed cassette with XD@ cranks and Deore derailers ok to run on a Blue Sam?

[Chris Chen]

Your mileage may vary. After switching the pulleys I've been in 9 speed
friction heaven.

cc


On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 8:56 PM, Michael  wrote:

> @ Bill:
>>
>
> Oh No! I knew I should have asked for the Sage Green Ha ha!
>
> Actually, I think I read that they are coming out with a metallic Red Sam
> soon - not kidding.
>
> If it is a nice dark ruby red, that would look awesome!! But I bet its
> only compatible with new 11-speed groups. (chortle, chortle).
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[RBW] Re: 650b knobby coming soon.

[Coconutbill]

the tour rides grip so well... even on sand... but I have an addiction 
to fat tires... give me the fattest tire I can fit on there... except CC 
your super fat tour rides won't fit my bike.

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Re: [RBW] Mirrors and gadgets (was Why Wear a Helmet?)

[Philip Williamson]

I'm really sorry to hear this. I bought a mirror recently, but there's a 
little learning curve and habituation I need to make in order to 
incorporate it fully. 
Take care of yourself - I know personally that grief can lead to 
inattention and injury. You get outside yourself a little, and suddenly you 
need stitches. 

Philip


On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 11:03:32 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> I just started using a helmet mirror because my friend got ran over and 
> killed last Saturday on a popular cycling route.  I can understand the 
> desire to see the cars behind you at all times.   I don't think you need a 
> support group for it.
>
> http://kxan.com/2014/05/18/friends-remember-avid-cyclist-killed-in-crash/
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Doug Williams 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> I admit that I am addicted to my helmet mirror as well. So much so, that 
>> just a few days ago, I was pushing my shopping cart through the Costco 
>> parking lot when I heard a car behind me. My first instinct was to glance 
>> at my (non-existent) helmet mirror. Maybe I need to wear my helmet while 
>> walking? Please help me! Is there a support group for mirror addiction?
>>
>> I really like my helmet mirror. It is the type that attaches to 
>> eyeglasses, but I like it much more attached to my helmet visor. I am so 
>> addicted to my mirror that I am stuck wearing my helmet whenever I am 
>> riding near cars. Off road, I prefer my Tilley Hat, but on road, I need the 
>> mirror. I know, I know…how un-Rivendell of me! The mirror used to fall off 
>> until I lashed it onto the visor (Rivendell handlebar style) using hemp 
>> twine that I bought from Riv. Of course, all this was a futile attempt to 
>> assuage my guilt and “Riv my helmet” so I could tell myself that I’m not 
>> really a geeky Fred. But truth be told, I am a geeky Fred; and no amount of 
>> Rivendell hempen twine is going to fix that.
>>
>> Now I have a handlebar mount for my phone! Is there any hope for me? Can 
>> I escape this gadget addiction?
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>  
>>
>> *JimD*
>>
>> I wear a helmet as insurance. Besides it's where I mount my mirror.
>>
>>  
>>
>> I'd ride without the helmet before I rode without the mirror but, as it 
>> is, they are inextricably linked.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Maybe we can have a 'discussion' about the use of mirrors?
>>
>>  
>>
>> As to helmets and horses go watch the cross country portion of a 3 day 
>> trials. Those folks wear helmets some of them still get killed.
>>
>>  
>>
>> -JimD
>>
>>  
>>
>> [image: 
>> https://www.google.com/s2/photos/public/AIbEiAIAAABDCLSmj_6Ipu-PfSILdmNhcmRfcGhvdG8qKDc3NDljN2Q3NzlmZDA2NTE3MTVmY2Q5NDg0NmQ1OGI0ZDg3NTRkYjkwAfhM2l7isKQIScZs3e0snfxB_y9T?authuser=0&sz=34]
>>  Ron 
>> Mc
>>
>> I'm with you Jim, I can't ride without my mirror
>>  
>>  
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[RBW] Re: A Tale of Two Saluki's

[Abcyclehank]

Green for me like my Quickbeam,
The light purple doesn't do anything for me personally.
Yet I have a giant purple metallic Nobilette too.
This inquiry makes me want another frame and color variety.  
Thanks n+1 again.

Ryan

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[RBW] Re: A Tale of Two Saluki's

[IanA]

I'll play. I prefer greens and blues generally, as colors go.  Turquoise 
has always been a fascinating color for me, as is the seam foam of the 
Atlantis.  I've never been drawn to purple - depending on the shade for me 
it ranges from indifferent to unpleasant.  But, at the risk of splitting 
hairs, I'm inclined to believe the Saluki is lilac which evokes the poetry 
of Walt Whitman.  So whereas the green bike is by definition faster, the 
lilac one is poetic.

Ian A.

(Edited - for some reason my original draft blended John Donne with Walt 
Whitman - don't ask me why).

On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 10:47:18 PM UTC-6, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> By Bill and Tony (and Amy and Steve)
>
> Almost ten years later two Saluki's get dragged into a garage to compare 
> life story's and go home with new riders!  My Purple-Luki (#0017, via Amy) 
> and Bill's Green-Luki (#008, via Steve) are two great looking bikes.  Both 
> size 60cm Saluki's and the only noticeable frame delta is the lower 
> placement of the low rider braze on's for the Green-Luki.  How cool is it 
> to see these two side by side as bare frames!?!  I couldn't be happier with 
> my 'fairway green' bike and it sounds like Bill is looking forward to 
> building up a striking Moustache Bar'd rig with the Agapanthus Purple... 
> seems like a win win!
>
> Bill wanted to poll the list on personal color preferences between the 
> two... obviously he and I have already cast our votes but we're curious 
> where the RBW-OB's are on the Green vs Purple.  What say you?!?
>
> Regardless it is cool to know a bit about the history behind a used frame 
> ('rolling art' as Bill said on Sunday)...
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
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[RBW] Re: A Tale of Two Saluki's

[IanA]

I'll play. I prefer greens and blues generally, as colors go.  Turquoise 
has always been a fascinating color for me, as is the seam foam of the 
Atlantis.  I've never been drawn to purple - depending on the shade for me 
it ranges from indifferent to unpleasant.  But, at the risk of splitting 
hairs, I'm inclined to believe the Saluki is lilac which evokes the poetry 
of John Whitman.  So whereas the green bike is by definition faster, the 
lilac one is poetic.

Ian A.



On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 10:47:18 PM UTC-6, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> By Bill and Tony (and Amy and Steve)
>
> Almost ten years later two Saluki's get dragged into a garage to compare 
> life story's and go home with new riders!  My Purple-Luki (#0017, via Amy) 
> and Bill's Green-Luki (#008, via Steve) are two great looking bikes.  Both 
> size 60cm Saluki's and the only noticeable frame delta is the lower 
> placement of the low rider braze on's for the Green-Luki.  How cool is it 
> to see these two side by side as bare frames!?!  I couldn't be happier with 
> my 'fairway green' bike and it sounds like Bill is looking forward to 
> building up a striking Moustache Bar'd rig with the Agapanthus Purple... 
> seems like a win win!
>
> Bill wanted to poll the list on personal color preferences between the 
> two... obviously he and I have already cast our votes but we're curious 
> where the RBW-OB's are on the Green vs Purple.  What say you?!?
>
> Regardless it is cool to know a bit about the history behind a used frame 
> ('rolling art' as Bill said on Sunday)...
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 55 Bleriot

[Michael]

>
> Bump.
>
Second try. 

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[RBW] Re: A Tale of Two Saluki's

[Michael]

>
> I like the green better for my personal preference.
>
 
But both are just as beautiful.
One doesn't have anything less on looks than the other.
Lovely bikes.

I am jealous of your all's bike building know-how.

 

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[RBW] A Tale of Two Saluki's

[Tony DeFilippo]

By Bill and Tony (and Amy and Steve)

Almost ten years later two Saluki's get dragged into a garage to compare 
life story's and go home with new riders!  My Purple-Luki (#0017, via Amy) 
and Bill's Green-Luki (#008, via Steve) are two great looking bikes.  Both 
size 60cm Saluki's and the only noticeable frame delta is the lower 
placement of the low rider braze on's for the Green-Luki.  How cool is it 
to see these two side by side as bare frames!?!  I couldn't be happier with 
my 'fairway green' bike and it sounds like Bill is looking forward to 
building up a striking Moustache Bar'd rig with the Agapanthus Purple... 
seems like a win win!

Bill wanted to poll the list on personal color preferences between the 
two... obviously he and I have already cast our votes but we're curious 
where the RBW-OB's are on the Green vs Purple.  What say you?!?

Regardless it is cool to know a bit about the history behind a used frame 
('rolling art' as Bill said on Sunday)...










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[RBW] Re: Father-Son GAP Trip

[Michael]

>
> Wow! I just saw the write up on your blog.
>
Looks like so much fun!
That was great you got to do it with your Dad. What a special time.

Thanks for the info on the GAP.
That is great that the deal worked out so well for the green saluki.
Please post pics of it soon.
Would love to see it.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Father-Son GAP Trip

[Tony DeFilippo]

Hey Michael,

The GAP is the Great Allegheny Passage, a rails to trails project 150 miles
long between Cumberland, MD and Pittsburgh, PA.

Bill and I started talking about our common XO-3's and he mentioned the
Green Saluki as a potential solution if I ended up not getting used to the
purple-luki... Another connection made possible by this great community.
Good luck on my part!

Tony

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[RBW] Re: Father-Son GAP Trip

[Michael]

Thanks for sharing.
Sounds like a wonderful time!

1. What is this GAP, and where does it start and end?
>

 2. How did you find out about Bill and his Greenluki and work a deal? Very 
interesting.

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[RBW] Dark wine red metallic Sams coming out in July.

[Michael]

Unless its a joke.
I put nothing past those jokesters at both BQ and RBW.

But it does say on the Blug:
" This July round of Sams will be the stock blue color, but also available 
in a nice dark wine red metallic"

That would be a very cool color if it is really dark, and really metallic.
My wife's favorite color for bikes.
Maybe now I can convince her to get a RBW bike!
They need to put up some pics soon so I can show the wife!!

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[RBW] Re: 7-speed cassette with XD@ cranks and Deore derailers ok to run on a Blue Sam?

[Michael]

>
> @ Bill:
>

Oh No! I knew I should have asked for the Sage Green Ha ha!

Actually, I think I read that they are coming out with a metallic Red Sam 
soon - not kidding.

If it is a nice dark ruby red, that would look awesome!! But I bet its only 
compatible with new 11-speed groups. (chortle, chortle).

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[RBW] Stuffs for sale V.3

[Michael Williams]

Hey group   still have some stuff Im trying to thin out.  Prices dont 
include shipping.   thank you!!discounts for multiple items
Nitto noodles with Shimano brake levers,  48cm wide  $70
VO rear constructeur rack $50
Sugino XD2 crank arms   175mm $35
Panaracer Fatty Rumpkins,  the originals,  well used but lots of life   
$15/pair
Vee Rubber XCX 650Bx1.95,   used but lots of life   $20/pair

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[RBW] Re: 7-speed cassette with XD@ cranks and Deore derailers ok to run on a Blue Sam?

[Michael]

>
> Zack, which cassette are you using?
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Re: [RBW] Owning an AHH and an Atlantis

[Michael Williams]

I have both as well,   I have to say I like them almost equal, but the
Atlantis is a little better for the riding style I like.  It takes fatter
tires, handles loads better, better for camping and such.   Dont get me
wrong,  the AHH is good at a lot of things.   but if I have a load and
bumping around on trails,   Im gonna grab the Atlantis.Hope this offers
some insight!   -Mike


On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 8:18 PM, bo richardson  wrote:

> i have an atlantis and a rambouillet
> i like the ramboullet better
> and dont feel there is much i can do with the atlantis
> i cant also do with the rambouillet
> i may turn loose of the atlantis
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[RBW] Owning an AHH and an Atlantis

[bo richardson]

i have an atlantis and a rambouillet
i like the ramboullet better
and dont feel there is much i can do with the atlantis 
i cant also do with the rambouillet
i may turn loose of the atlantis

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[RBW] Re: 7-speed cassette with XD@ cranks and Deore derailers ok to run on a Blue Sam?

[Zack]

Michael - 

I actually did a very similar switch recently, and love it.  You will need 
a spacer for the cassette, I think it's the 4.5mm one.  

I had lots of ghost shifting, always, on both my sam and my hunq.  I 
started with 9, went to 8 and it was a little better, and now am at 7 and 
it's really really good/stable.  highly recommend.

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[RBW] Re: Father-Son GAP Trip

[Bill]

Wow.  Someone traded a to-die-for green and cream Saluki for the same sized 
one in lavender.  He must have really been smitten with that 
lily-of-the-Nile shade of purple to do such a thing. Of course when you're 
riding along looking where you're going and not gawking at the frame you 
can't even see what color the bike is.

Your Dad and you should do the GAP again from the other direction. 
 Besides, the Greenaluki is going to want to have its own turn too.  Add 
family members; make it an annual event.  This could be just the beginning 
of a great tradition.

On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 7:51:53 AM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Yet another post raving about the GAP...  this trail is truly a national 
> treasure!  My Dad and I did the trip from Frostburg, MD to Pittsburgh, PA 
> over 3 days last Thurs-Sat.  Through some really fantastic luck we actually 
> avoided getting drenched till a random cloudburst near Mckeesport finally 
> got us on Saturday.  The tremendous deluge on Thursday hit Rockwood 
> literally as we rolled into our guest house accommodations and the storm 
> passed early the next morning making Friday a chilly but wonderful riding 
> day.  I took alot of pictures along the way and I'm splitting them up into 
> segments on my blog,  I should probably edit a little deeper but for anyone 
> trying to get a feel for the trail I think more pictures might be helpful 
> so I'm indulging in a pretty heavy dose of photos!  I'll post up here as I 
> get them up.
>
> Riv Content - The purple-luki handled the trail with every bit of grace 
> you would expect.  We were pretty lightly loaded given that we were B&B or 
> guest housing it for accommodations.  I only needed clothes, personal 
> electronics, spares, tools, water and snacks.  I need to weigh the kit but 
> my guess is less than 30 lbs.  I'll put up some more gear related thoughts 
> soon once I've had a bit more time to think about it.  My cargo carrying 
> was accomplished with a Carradice longflap in the back over a Nitto R-14 
> and a Sackville Medium in a Wald 137 up front.  That did put most of my 
> weight carried up hi but as it is my general commuting setup I didn't 
> notice any handling issues. I'd like to try a lower riding pannier setup 
> sometime to compare.  One piece of gear I wish I'd had - An Axe! :) or a 
> folding saw anyway, we came across a number of downed trees that we could 
> mostly get the bikes up and over easily but I just saw on the GAP Facebook 
> page that a landslide caused a more serious blockage just after we'd gone 
> by.  Mostly I'm bemoaning missing the opportunity to strap a hatchet to the 
> bike... next time!
>
> I'm already three posts deep in my GAP retrospective on the blog so here 
> you go;
>
> Preview
>
> Frostburg - Mason Dixon Line 
> Gallery
>
> Mason Dixon Line - Rockwood Gallery 
> 
>
> I'll leave off w/ some more Riv Content... I rode the Purple-Luki all the 
> way to Pittsburgh but I returned with a Fairway Green-Luki courtesy of Bill 
> E.  The Purple torch has been passed, I enjoyed my time with her very much 
> and I'm really looking forward to getting the Fairway Green Saluki built 
> up.  In the end the agapanthus purple just wasn't for me but I can't wait 
> to see what Bill does with her.  I've got some stripped down side by side 
> frame shot's coming soon from our meet up and swap.
>
>
> 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 7-speed cassette with XD@ cranks and Deore derailers ok to run on a Blue Sam?

[Mike Schiller]

whatta you call these Steve?  
http://kmcchain.us/chaintype/7-speed-below/

~mike

On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 7:07:20 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On 05/21/2014 09:20 PM, Michael wrote: 
>
>
> There is no such thing as a "7 speed" chain any more; all there is is 8 
> speed chains, and surprise, they work perfectly well on 7 speed cassettes. 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 7-speed cassette with XD@ cranks and Deore derailers ok to run on a Blue Sam?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 05/21/2014 09:20 PM, Michael wrote:


So this thread is mainly asking if a 7 chain and cassette will work 
with my derailers, and on the Blue 2013 Sam. I mention Blue and the 
year in case the bb and stays are spec'd different from previous 
models, if anyone knows.





There is no such thing as a "7 speed" chain any more; all there is is 8 
speed chains, and surprise, they work perfectly well on 7 speed cassettes.




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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b knobby coming soon.

[Peter Morgano]

Sweet frameset, the brazing is so clean.  The tires look like a really
tempting alternative to hetres when riding more offroady stuff. The issue
now is a set of tires leads to a new wheel purchase since i am too lazy to
swap tires, haha.


On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Chris Chen  wrote:

> This won't be a problem for very long...
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/14240429505/
>
>
> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:
>
>> My Saluki is going to get a pair as well.  As well as the hetres did on
>> the GAP trail i'm sure they'd handle the C&O easy as well but I like the
>> idea of trying out a small knobby like this.
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[RBW] Re: 7-speed cassette with XD@ cranks and Deore derailers ok to run on a Blue Sam?

[Michael]

>
> I want to lose cogs because, though 9 is fine, I hear that 8 is great.
>
 
But RBW is outta stock on those $30 8's and so I am pondering 7.

I get some auto-shifts with 10 and 9, so I thought I would go to 8 or 7 for 
the wider spacing between cogs (better frictioning), which has been 
confirmed that there is wider spacing on another thread about this, as well 
as by an RBW employee.

So this thread is mainly asking if a 7 chain and cassette will work with my 
derailers, and on the Blue 2013 Sam. I mention Blue and the year in case 
the bb and stays are spec'd different from previous models, if anyone knows.



 

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[RBW] Re: Pedal Strike - LongLow

[Michael]

>
> I have scraped bottom a coupla times.
>

Now I just keep the inboard foot up when I go into the turn, and I have my 
mind focused on doing that and not pedaling through the turn.
Sometimes I do pedal, but I know that is a no-no. 

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[RBW] Re: Pedal Strike - LongLow

[Michael]

>
> I think for proper analysis we are going to need extensive postings of 
> pictures of this long low...:)
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[RBW] Re: Pedal Strike - LongLow

[IanA]

Thank you for this insight - the pedals are wide, so I've now got a 
narrower set - I think it will make quite a big difference.  I'm never 
going fast enough on the straights, so I have no excuse for pedaling 
through corners, but hopefully the new pedals will go some way to mitigate 
my sloth.

IanA. 



On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 8:15:06 AM UTC-6, Jan Heine wrote:
>
> I'd consider getting different pedals. The lean angle allowed by pedals 
> varies significantly, and if you have some wide pedals with big cages, you 
> can pick up a lot of clearance...
>
> If you have pedals that allow a decent lean angle and still strike your 
> pedals, then I'd consider coasting instead. Pedaling around fast corners is 
> not a good habit. I learned this when racing, on a criterium course in 
> Portland on wide streets. I broke away and was hoping to stay away until 
> the finish. In a few corners, my pedals lightly touched the ground during 
> every lap, until, with one lap to go, I touched a little harder and crashed.
>
> I think it was Greg LeMond who said that if you can pedal through a 
> corner, it means you weren't going fast enough on the straights.
>
> At slow speeds, you often have to pedal around corners just to stay 
> upright. In those situations, you aren't leaning much, and toe overlap is 
> your big problem, not pedal strike.
>
> Jan Heine
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>
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Re: [RBW] One last time: 559X 32 mm Kojaks versus 559X 32 mm Primo Racers versus others?

[Pete Olson]

I put the 26x1.25 New Express Tires on my wife's small frame Rambouillet 
last season.  They are listed as 330 grams on the Soma paper strip that 
held them together.  They measure about 28.5mm wide on the stock, road 
oriented rims, which is just about the same as the previous 1.25 Paselas.  
No flats so far.  -Pete

On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:25:44 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Many thanks, Chris, I'd not heard of these. If it is obviously better than 
> the Pasela, then it's certainly worth investigating. I'll check them out.
>
>
> OS125  said:
>
> I recently went to the Soma New Express tire in 700 X 32, and have found 
> it to be an exceptionally smooth-running tire. Soma lists a 26 x 1.25 
> version in stock. The difference in suppleness of ride between this tire 
> and a Pasela TG is quite obvious to me. The bike feels like a different 
> machine. The nature of my commute, and my unerring ability to ride straight 
> over sparkly bits regardless of how much room and warning is given, assures 
> the flat protection in the new tires would be tested. It has not been found 
> wanting. 
>  

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[RBW] Re: 7-speed cassette with XD@ cranks and Deore derailers ok to run on a Blue Sam?

[Bill Lindsay]

That combination will only work well on a Sage Green Sam.  On a Blue Sam it 
would be a disaster.  Blue is incompatible with 7-speed. 

KIDDING!!

On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 12:53:22 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
>
> I have 9, want to go to 8. But am thinking for better friction shifting go 
> whole hog and get a 7 speed cassette and chain.
>
> Can I do that on a Sam with XT front derailer and Deore rear?
>
> Does chainline factor in, or is a shimano 7 speed cassette the same width 
> as an 8 speed? Will the 7 speed chain fit the derailer cages?
>

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[RBW] Re: 7-speed cassette with XD@ cranks and Deore derailers ok to run on a Blue Sam?

[Deacon Patrick]

I went from 8 to 9 only Hunqapillar and it friction shifts fantastically. 
Why do you want to make the change?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 1:53:22 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:
>
> I have 9, want to go to 8. But am thinking for better friction shifting go 
> whole hog and get a 7 speed cassette and chain.
>
> Can I do that on a Sam with XT front derailer and Deore rear?
>
> Does chainline factor in, or is a shimano 7 speed cassette the same width 
> as an 8 speed? Will the 7 speed chain fit the derailer cages?
>

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Re: [RBW] 7-speed cassette with XD@ cranks and Deore derailers ok to run on a Blue Sam?

[Evan]

FWIW, I, too, have a blue Sam and 9 works for me--in friction mode, with 
old Suntour ratcheting thumb shifters. My RD is a Deore LX, model M581, 
which works with 9, 8, or 7 speeds. Regarding your chain: I'm pretty sure 
you can use an 8-speed chain on your 7-speed cassette with no problems at 
all. And some folks claim that 8-speed chains are better-made than 7-speed 
chains, although I haven't seen any detailed support of that claim.

Evan E.
SF, CA

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[RBW] Owning an AHH and an Atlantis

[Michael Fleischman]

I was curious if anyone on the boards own both the Atlantis and an AHH?  

If so, do you feel like you get sufficient use out of both bikes?  What do you 
enjoy, in terms of use, about owning both of the models?  As an owner, do you 
ever feel as if there is too much overlap to justify owning both these models?

Thanks for your insights.

Michael

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[RBW] Re: Pedal Strike - LongLow

[Joe Bernard]

My habit is to pedal all my bikes according to the one with the least 
clearance. You're never going to train your brain to 'remember' which bike 
you're on.

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA. 

On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 10:44:52 PM UTC-7, IanA wrote:

> Well, winter has finally passed and the road grit has mostly been swept 
> away, so the LongLow came out of storage (the livingroom - where else?) and 
> I was enjoying whipping along at speeds I'd all but forgotten about on my 
> 80's mountain bike that continues reliably in all conditions, but is dogged 
> about it.  The problem is that the mountain bike has a high bottom bracket 
> and will not pedal strike even when pedaling during tight lean through turn.
>
> First day out on the LL this year and I hit speeds of 55km/h (downhill), 
> but even on the flats the computer told me 40 km/h once or twice.  Such 
> fun.  Sadly, at quite low speed thankfully, I turned sharply, pedaling 
> through grounding my pedal and stalling the bike.  The pannier saved the 
> bike from scratches and I was unscathed.  A little rubber shaved off the 
> bar end shifter.
>
> It used to be my habit to coast through hard turns with the pedal in the 
> 12 o clock position on the lean side.  I'm concerned that I've been 
> retrained by my mountain bike.  I'm worried that I'll forget one time too 
> many.  Does this happen to anyone else?  If so, does the body remember when 
> the mind is absent?  The LL has such a low bb that if one forgets pedal 
> strike is to be expected.
>
> Ian A/the unfrozen north.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b knobby coming soon.

[Chris Chen]

This won't be a problem for very long...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/14240429505/


On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:

> My Saluki is going to get a pair as well.  As well as the hetres did on
> the GAP trail i'm sure they'd handle the C&O easy as well but I like the
> idea of trying out a small knobby like this.
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b knobby coming soon.

[Tony DeFilippo]

My Saluki is going to get a pair as well.  As well as the hetres did on the GAP 
trail i'm sure they'd handle the C&O easy as well but I like the idea of trying 
out a small knobby like this.

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Re: [RBW] 7-speed cassette with XD@ cranks and Deore derailers ok to run on a Blue Sam?

[Bertin753]

Try shifting 9 with friction before you buy anything new. It might work for 
you. It certainly works for me.

Patrick "just went to *8* in back!!!"Moore

Patrick Moore
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> On May 21, 2014, at 1:53 PM, Michael  wrote:
> 
> I have 9, want to go to 8. But am thinking for better friction shifting go 
> whole hog and get a 7 speed cassette and chain.
> 
> Can I do that on a Sam with XT front derailer and Deore rear?
> 
> Does chainline factor in, or is a shimano 7 speed cassette the same width as 
> an 8 speed? Will the 7 speed chain fit the derailer cages?
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b knobby coming soon.

[Hugh Smitham]

That's Hilsen.

-Hugh
On May 21, 2014 2:02 PM, "Hugh Smitham"  wrote:

> The Holden will be shod with knobbiest soon. Big cheer!
>
> -Hugh
> On May 21, 2014 1:42 PM, "Bill Lindsay"  wrote:
>
>> "Interesting, and here I thought there were plenty of 27.5" knobby tires
>> on the market "
>>
>> You are 100% correct that there are plenty of 27.5" knobby tires out
>> there.  There are not many (any?) with a width less than 45mm, though.
>> That's why there are a few of us eagerly waiting for this tire.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 1:21:37 PM UTC-7, Brewster Fong wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 1:06:22 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Here's the details.

 http://somafab.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-other-cazadero-tire.html?m=1

>>>
>>> Interesting, and here I thought there were plenty of 27.5" knobby tires
>>> on the market
>>>

 ~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b knobby coming soon.

[Hugh Smitham]

The Holden will be shod with knobbiest soon. Big cheer!

-Hugh
On May 21, 2014 1:42 PM, "Bill Lindsay"  wrote:

> "Interesting, and here I thought there were plenty of 27.5" knobby tires
> on the market "
>
> You are 100% correct that there are plenty of 27.5" knobby tires out
> there.  There are not many (any?) with a width less than 45mm, though.
> That's why there are a few of us eagerly waiting for this tire.
>
> On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 1:21:37 PM UTC-7, Brewster Fong wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 1:06:22 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's the details.
>>>
>>> http://somafab.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-other-cazadero-tire.html?m=1
>>>
>>
>> Interesting, and here I thought there were plenty of 27.5" knobby tires
>> on the market
>>
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
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[RBW] 650b knobby coming soon.

[brian feltovich]

Which reminds me, I have some of the Pacenti 650b knobbies for sale. Never 
mounted, never used. Contact off list if you want info or photos. 

Brian
Feltovich at geemail dot com

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[RBW] Re: 650b knobby coming soon.

[Bill Lindsay]

"Interesting, and here I thought there were plenty of 27.5" knobby tires on 
the market "

You are 100% correct that there are plenty of 27.5" knobby tires out 
there.  There are not many (any?) with a width less than 45mm, though.  
That's why there are a few of us eagerly waiting for this tire.  

On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 1:21:37 PM UTC-7, Brewster Fong wrote:
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 1:06:22 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Here's the details.
>>
>> http://somafab.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-other-cazadero-tire.html?m=1
>>
>  
> Interesting, and here I thought there were plenty of 27.5" knobby tires on 
> the market 
>
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
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[RBW] Re: Single Speed Single Track

[Ryan]

Patrick, I know you want to keep costs of tweaking this bike 
reasonable...but , I have to say, the Shimano CX70 cantilevers Riv sells 
 are superb.
 
  
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/brc3.htm
 
 So good that I might want to have them on my all-rounder. I've used these 
on my X0-1 with  the Tiagra levers that I believe you're using and the 
braking is all I could ask for. I understand that you want to make what you 
already have work, though and these are a bit spendy.
 
Regards and enjoy the new QBgood looking bike
On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 5:12:45 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

> Thanks, Ryan. The brakes are OK, and the initial adjustments I did to them 
> helped. Still haven't done the brake pads or straddle cable adjustments 
> yet. 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 2:15:32 PM UTC-6, Ryan wrote: 
>>
>> Your bike is shaping up really nicelyare your brakes working better? 
>> I  really actually like the silver QBs...nice with the white saddle and 
>> pedals and very nice tape job...cheers
>> On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 2:49:42 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: 
>>>
>>> Today I was wondrously surprised to feel well enough to try a ride 
>>> (yesterday was a hard brain day). I improved enough as I went, especially 
>>> once I was heading away from the “big city” of Woodland Park after 6 miles. 
>>>
>>> There is an amazing flow to single speed not found with a derailured 
>>> bike. Silent running. Smooth. Efficient. Poser mode gives a nice taste, but 
>>> it’s like the difference between Dewar’s and 24 year old Ardbeg.
>>>
>>> I made the back dirt road that winds its way on the ridge north of 
>>> Rampart Reservoir, then dropped down to the Reservoir where we often camp, 
>>> and took the single track around the reservoir. Again, the flow of single 
>>> speed, not having to think about shifting or the drivetrain, but just 
>>> pedal, is wondrously freeing.
>>>
>>> Went around to the Waldo Canyon burn area on the South side of the 
>>> Reservoir. We were evacuated for 10 days nearly two years ago for that fire 
>>> and it hits literally close to home just how hot it was and how close it 
>>> came to our wee town (and so many in the Springs did lose their homes).  I 
>>> fitting contemplative ride through the burn area on a single speed on 
>>> single track that invites contemplative prayer.
>>>
>>> Photos: 
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157644352669548/
>>>  
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
>>> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b knobby coming soon.

[Joe Bunik]

+1... That'd be a damn fine name in fact.

On 5/21/14, Jeremy Till  wrote:
> 650b version should be called the "Manny."
>
> On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 1:06:22 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Here's the details.
>>
>> http://somafab.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-other-cazadero-tire.html?m=1
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
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[RBW] Re: 650b knobby coming soon.

[Brewster Fong]

On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 1:06:22 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Here's the details.
>
> http://somafab.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-other-cazadero-tire.html?m=1
>
 
Interesting, and here I thought there were plenty of 27.5" knobby tires on 
the market 

>
> ~Hugh
>

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[RBW] 7-speed cassette with XD@ cranks and Deore derailers ok to run on a Blue Sam?

[Michael]

I have 9, want to go to 8. But am thinking for better friction shifting go 
whole hog and get a 7 speed cassette and chain.

Can I do that on a Sam with XT front derailer and Deore rear?

Does chainline factor in, or is a shimano 7 speed cassette the same width 
as an 8 speed? Will the 7 speed chain fit the derailer cages?

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[RBW] Re: Stuffs for sale!

[rcnute]

Mike, I don't know if you got my email offlist but I'm interested in the 
Pro.  Thanks!

Ryan

On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 8:28:51 AM UTC-7, Michael Williams wrote:
>
> Hey group,   just have a couple items for sale.   They are all slightly 
> used but still in really good condition.   Slight discounts for combined 
> items.   Contact off list pleez.  Prices dont include shipping.   thanks!   
> -Mike
>
> Nitto Noodle bar w/ Shimano brake levers   48cm wideLotsa tape residue 
>   $70
> Nitto  Dirt drop Stem   26.0 clamp,  8cm reach $45
> Nitto '65" seatpost   27.2   $30
> Brooks Champion Flyer sprung saddle,  brown   $70
> Brooks Professional saddle,  light brown   $50
> Velo Orange Rear constructeur rack   $50
> Velo Orange Quill stem   26.0 clamp  80mm reach   $20
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Re: [RBW] Mirrors and gadgets (was Why Wear a Helmet?)

[Doug Williams]

Jim,

Watched the video. So sorry for your loss; which is a loss for the entire 
bicycle community. Don't know what else to say. Take care!

Doug

On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 11:03:32 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> I just started using a helmet mirror because my friend got ran over and 
> killed last Saturday on a popular cycling route.  I can understand the 
> desire to see the cars behind you at all times.   I don't think you need a 
> support group for it.
>
> http://kxan.com/2014/05/18/friends-remember-avid-cyclist-killed-in-crash/
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Doug Williams 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> I admit that I am addicted to my helmet mirror as well. So much so, that 
>> just a few days ago, I was pushing my shopping cart through the Costco 
>> parking lot when I heard a car behind me. My first instinct was to glance 
>> at my (non-existent) helmet mirror. Maybe I need to wear my helmet while 
>> walking? Please help me! Is there a support group for mirror addiction?
>>
>> I really like my helmet mirror. It is the type that attaches to 
>> eyeglasses, but I like it much more attached to my helmet visor. I am so 
>> addicted to my mirror that I am stuck wearing my helmet whenever I am 
>> riding near cars. Off road, I prefer my Tilley Hat, but on road, I need the 
>> mirror. I know, I know…how un-Rivendell of me! The mirror used to fall off 
>> until I lashed it onto the visor (Rivendell handlebar style) using hemp 
>> twine that I bought from Riv. Of course, all this was a futile attempt to 
>> assuage my guilt and “Riv my helmet” so I could tell myself that I’m not 
>> really a geeky Fred. But truth be told, I am a geeky Fred; and no amount of 
>> Rivendell hempen twine is going to fix that.
>>
>> Now I have a handlebar mount for my phone! Is there any hope for me? Can 
>> I escape this gadget addiction?
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>  
>>
>> *JimD*
>>
>> I wear a helmet as insurance. Besides it's where I mount my mirror.
>>
>>  
>>
>> I'd ride without the helmet before I rode without the mirror but, as it 
>> is, they are inextricably linked.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Maybe we can have a 'discussion' about the use of mirrors?
>>
>>  
>>
>> As to helmets and horses go watch the cross country portion of a 3 day 
>> trials. Those folks wear helmets some of them still get killed.
>>
>>  
>>
>> -JimD
>>
>>  
>>
>> [image: 
>> https://www.google.com/s2/photos/public/AIbEiAIAAABDCLSmj_6Ipu-PfSILdmNhcmRfcGhvdG8qKDc3NDljN2Q3NzlmZDA2NTE3MTVmY2Q5NDg0NmQ1OGI0ZDg3NTRkYjkwAfhM2l7isKQIScZs3e0snfxB_y9T?authuser=0&sz=34]
>>  Ron 
>> Mc
>>
>> I'm with you Jim, I can't ride without my mirror
>>  
>>  
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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv stuff Nitto, Gripsters, Surly ECR frameset camping bike

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

I bought MKS folding pedals for mine. Work great and much less bulky than 
the OEM ones.

On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 6:44:04 PM UTC+3, bo richardson wrote:
>
> i need it for the non folding side 
> of my brompton
> compact is kinda crucial

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Re: [RBW] Re: Father-Son GAP Trip

[Tony DeFilippo]

Thanks Guys!

Patrick I was thinking after my post that I didn't emphasize enough how
special getting to spend 4+ days straight almost one on one with my Dad
was.  That is probably the longest continuous time I've spent with him
mostly solo in 10 years or more so it really was incredible.  I never would
have thought that bicycling would give me the avenue to make something like
this happen, what a bonus!

Tony

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[RBW] Re: Soma's Tanaka Decaleurs???

[Evan Baird]

Help Computer 

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[RBW] Re: Soma's Tanaka Decaleurs???

[Evan Baird]

Oh, and according to Prolly they're too heavy. But that describes pretty 
much everything on my bike so take that for what you will. I do my best to 
break everything they give me, and so far these are still hanging in there.

On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 2:30:49 PM UTC-7, jphil...@icloud.com wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>Has anyone used a Tanaka decaleur? Know anyone who has? It looks pretty 
> easy to mount and rather adjustable:
>
> http://store.somafab.com/tadeforth11.html
>
> I would just like a little more info than what I could see on the Soma 
> website before I pull the trigger & buy one.
>
> Thanks much,
>
> John  (who wears a helmet or his wife will hit him and make him wish he 
> did)
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[RBW] Re: Soma's Tanaka Decaleurs???

[Evan Baird]

The only downside to these that I've found is you really want to strap it 
down to keep the bag from bouncing if you ride it on super bumpy 
trails/roads. If your bag has a loop for the tombstone that's less of an 
issue, but mine doesn't so I put one of the included ostrich straps on when 
I ride trails. I haven't had the linkage move on me at all. I wrote a post 
about it on the Soma blog.

http://somafab.blogspot.com/2014/02/tanaka-decaleur-and-ostrich-f-104n.html

On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 2:30:49 PM UTC-7, jphil...@icloud.com wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>Has anyone used a Tanaka decaleur? Know anyone who has? It looks pretty 
> easy to mount and rather adjustable:
>
> http://store.somafab.com/tadeforth11.html
>
> I would just like a little more info than what I could see on the Soma 
> website before I pull the trigger & buy one.
>
> Thanks much,
>
> John  (who wears a helmet or his wife will hit him and make him wish he 
> did)
>

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[RBW] Re: 650b knobby coming soon.

[Evan Baird]

I promised I'd give him a set after he gets his Riv fixed.

On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 7:42:25 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> 650b version should be called the "Manny."
>
> On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 1:06:22 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Here's the details.
>>
>> http://somafab.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-other-cazadero-tire.html?m=1
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>

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[RBW] FS: Riv stuff Nitto, Gripsters, Surly ECR frameset camping bike

[bo richardson]

i need it for the non folding side 
of my brompton
compact is kinda crucial

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Re: [RBW] Mirrors and gadgets (was Why Wear a Helmet?)

[Anton Tutter]

My deepest sympathies to you and the loss of your friend.

Five years ago, my daughter and I, on my bike, were hit from the rear by a 
negligent driver of a motor scooter who tried using the bike lane to pass 
cars on the right. We were lucky we sustained nothing more than scratches 
when we fell.

Since then I've worn a helmet mirror. I would find it difficult to ride 
without one now. My eyes have been trained to focus on the road in front of 
me, but catch oncoming traffic in the mirror, with peripheral vision, much 
like I use the rearview mirror in a car. I consider the mirror an 
indispensable component of my cycling gear.

Anton



On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 2:03:32 AM UTC-4, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> I just started using a helmet mirror because my friend got ran over and 
> killed last Saturday on a popular cycling route.  I can understand the 
> desire to see the cars behind you at all times.   I don't think you need a 
> support group for it.
>
> http://kxan.com/2014/05/18/friends-remember-avid-cyclist-killed-in-crash/
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Doug Williams 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> I admit that I am addicted to my helmet mirror as well. So much so, that 
>> just a few days ago, I was pushing my shopping cart through the Costco 
>> parking lot when I heard a car behind me. My first instinct was to glance 
>> at my (non-existent) helmet mirror. Maybe I need to wear my helmet while 
>> walking? Please help me! Is there a support group for mirror addiction?
>>
>> I really like my helmet mirror. It is the type that attaches to 
>> eyeglasses, but I like it much more attached to my helmet visor. I am so 
>> addicted to my mirror that I am stuck wearing my helmet whenever I am 
>> riding near cars. Off road, I prefer my Tilley Hat, but on road, I need the 
>> mirror. I know, I know…how un-Rivendell of me! The mirror used to fall off 
>> until I lashed it onto the visor (Rivendell handlebar style) using hemp 
>> twine that I bought from Riv. Of course, all this was a futile attempt to 
>> assuage my guilt and “Riv my helmet” so I could tell myself that I’m not 
>> really a geeky Fred. But truth be told, I am a geeky Fred; and no amount of 
>> Rivendell hempen twine is going to fix that.
>>
>> Now I have a handlebar mount for my phone! Is there any hope for me? Can 
>> I escape this gadget addiction?
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>  
>>
>> *JimD*
>>
>> I wear a helmet as insurance. Besides it's where I mount my mirror.
>>
>>  
>>
>> I'd ride without the helmet before I rode without the mirror but, as it 
>> is, they are inextricably linked.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Maybe we can have a 'discussion' about the use of mirrors?
>>
>>  
>>
>> As to helmets and horses go watch the cross country portion of a 3 day 
>> trials. Those folks wear helmets some of them still get killed.
>>
>>  
>>
>> -JimD
>>
>>  
>>
>> [image: 
>> https://www.google.com/s2/photos/public/AIbEiAIAAABDCLSmj_6Ipu-PfSILdmNhcmRfcGhvdG8qKDc3NDljN2Q3NzlmZDA2NTE3MTVmY2Q5NDg0NmQ1OGI0ZDg3NTRkYjkwAfhM2l7isKQIScZs3e0snfxB_y9T?authuser=0&sz=34]
>>  Ron 
>> Mc
>>
>> I'm with you Jim, I can't ride without my mirror
>>  
>>  
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[RBW] Re: Pedal Strike - LongLow

['Jonathan Poor' via RBW Owners Bunch]

>
> On one of my bikes, I have stiff plastic toe-straps. (I think they are 
> actually Campy straps) The ends of the straps sort of point downward from 
> the end of the pedal. They work sort of like a pedal-strike warning 
> whisker. I know to back off if the strap starts brushing the road...
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[RBW] Re: 650b knobby coming soon.

[Jeremy Till]

650b version should be called the "Manny."

On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 1:06:22 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Here's the details.
>
> http://somafab.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-other-cazadero-tire.html?m=1
>
> ~Hugh
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[RBW] Re: Soma's Tanaka Decaleurs???

[Manuel Acosta]

They are good.
A couple months back Evan from Merry Sales had this idea of creating a stem 
mounted decaleur
Here's early drawing of it.

https://flic.kr/p/eWRaKs

Since getting the prototype Evan has taken it on some stupid stuff. Early 
prototype Evan found out early that the attachment point was to thin.

https://flic.kr/p/kpyKvC

The last prototype is solid and continues to be solid despite the abused 
Evan puts it through.

https://www.flickr.com/search/?w=41060758@N07&q=evan

I haven't used this but I would say it's a winner.

Hope this helps.
Manny

On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 2:30:49 PM UTC-7, jphil...@icloud.com wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>Has anyone used a Tanaka decaleur? Know anyone who has? It looks pretty 
> easy to mount and rather adjustable:
>
> http://store.somafab.com/tadeforth11.html
>
> I would just like a little more info than what I could see on the Soma 
> website before I pull the trigger & buy one.
>
> Thanks much,
>
> John  (who wears a helmet or his wife will hit him and make him wish he 
> did)
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Re: [RBW] One last time: 559X 32 mm Kojaks versus 559X 32 mm Primo Racers versus others?

[Patrick Moore]

Many thanks, Chris, I'd not heard of these. If it is obviously better than
the Pasela, then it's certainly worth investigating. I'll check them out.


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[RBW] Re: Pedal Strike - LongLow

[Jan Heine]

I'd consider getting different pedals. The lean angle allowed by pedals 
varies significantly, and if you have some wide pedals with big cages, you 
can pick up a lot of clearance...

If you have pedals that allow a decent lean angle and still strike your 
pedals, then I'd consider coasting instead. Pedaling around fast corners is 
not a good habit. I learned this when racing, on a criterium course in 
Portland on wide streets. I broke away and was hoping to stay away until 
the finish. In a few corners, my pedals lightly touched the ground during 
every lap, until, with one lap to go, I touched a little harder and crashed.

I think it was Greg LeMond who said that if you can pedal through a corner, 
it means you weren't going fast enough on the straights.

At slow speeds, you often have to pedal around corners just to stay 
upright. In those situations, you aren't leaning much, and toe overlap is 
your big problem, not pedal strike.

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Re: [RBW] Re: BB length for Atlantis with White VBC cranks?

[Mark Reimer]

Great call, Just sent Brian an email about it. He's also running the road 
VBC cranks like the Hunq on the Radavist. Very curious how that works.

Last night I bought a super cheap 127.5mm BB just to try it out. Turns out 
it does work, despite the White Ind calculations pointing me to a much 
longer spindle length. I have about 3-4mm clearance at the chainring bolts, 
which would be the first thing to contact the frame. That suggests I could 
get away with a shorter spindle, maybe a 125, which still seems very long 
to me, but so it goes. I'll update when it's finally resolved!



On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 8:54:53 AM UTC-5, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
> Hi Mark,
> Did you try Keven or Brian at Riv? They both run VBC cranks.
> Brian's Hunqapillar http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/staff10.htm
> Keven's Appaloosa http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/staff3.htm
>
> Good eye on the Radavist-- it seems like Jared (at Riv) may have insight 
> into the BB length.
>
> Keep me/us posted!
> Shoji
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 9:37:27 PM UTC-4, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> Since this has been a topic on my mind, I just noticed that the 
>> hunqapillar on the Radavist has the White Industries *road* VBC cranks, 
>> which have a very narrow Q factor, plus 46/36 rings, which should be even 
>> harder to fit than my situation. Confounding!
>> http://theradavist.com/2014/05/allans-hunqapillar-dirt-tourer/#8
>>
>> So far emailing back and forth with W.I. and Riv hasn't turned up a 
>> solution. Confusion continues. 
>>
>> On Monday, May 19, 2014 8:34:21 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>>
>>> Well it's still a mystery. I used some callipers to measure the BB in my 
>>> frame, it's 114 from end-to-end and my rings bottom out on the frame before 
>>> the BB taper even starts to make full contact. Using the instructions on 
>>> the white industries website, they'd have me running a spindle over 140, 
>>> which cannot be right. I've emailed them as well as Mark at Riv for advice. 
>>> My local shop doesn't have square taper BB's past 125, which I would have 
>>> thought would be adequate. 
>>>
>>> There are enough photos of Atlantis' with VBC cranks to make me know 
>>> this is a doable combination, but many of them seem to have smaller inner 
>>> rings - usually around 30 or smaller. I'm wondering if the size of my inner 
>>> ring is too large with the Atlantis flared chain stays. I hope to have this 
>>> sorted out soon, the remaining parts for the bike are arriving this week 
>>> and this is all that will hold me back.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 18, 2014 12:02:48 PM UTC-5, bicyc...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm rolling a 40x24, for climbing infinity and maximum clearance. I'm 
 within a few mm of rubbing 60s. Not sure if I have a 113 or 118 down 
 there, 
 been a year or so since I replaced it.


 On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 6:30 PM, Shoji Takahashi 
 wrote:

> Wow, really? Erik of Bikenoir/Cosmic Country mentioned 113mm BB on the 
> Hunqapillar. I have a VBC Mountain and 113mm waiting for installation in 
> the box... maybe I'll need to plan on a longer time window before 
> venturing.
>
> Here's the link to the thread on 113/VBC/Hunqapillar: 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!starred/rbw-owners-bunch/jE_W_ff3RSU
>  
>
> Good luck, Mark. 
> shoji
>
> On Friday, May 16, 2014 7:39:33 PM UTC-4, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I just got a pair of White Industries mountain VBC cranks with a 
>> 46/36 ring combination for my Atlantis build. There is a 113mm BB in the 
>> frame currently and it is way too short to run these cranks, which isn't 
>> that surprising. I followed the instructions on the WI website and it 
>> looks 
>> like I'll need a BB somewhere in the 130mm range, which seems very long 
>> to 
>> me.
>>
>>
>> Is anyone out there running the VBC cranks on an Atlantis? Care to 
>> share the inner ring size and BB length for comparison please?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Mark
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Albatross Bars

[Michael Ullmer]

I just wanted to bump this once more, my build is nearing completion minus 
these bars. Anyone have a pair sitting around you want put to good use? 
I've got the bike for the job.

Mike "never too many" U
Seattle

On Monday, May 5, 2014 10:14:54 PM UTC-7, Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
> Hello all!
>
> I just acquired a Trek 620 that is going to be built into an awesome 
> commuter as soon as time permits. It is just begging for a pair of 
> Albatross bars on it though. Does anyone have a pair they need to get rid 
> of? Reply off-list please, thanks!
>
> Mike
> Seattle
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[RBW] Re: sun sleeves?

[allroy71]

I use these ones from Voler. Not cheap, but very durable material. I too 
hate sunscreen and I was getting tired of the increasing arm freckles!!

http://www.voler.com/browse/product/li/1240182

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Re: [RBW] One last time: 559X 32 mm Kojaks versus 559X 32 mm Primo Racers versus others?

[OS125]

Patrick,

I recently went to the Soma New Express tire in 700 X 32, and have found it 
to be an exceptionally smooth-running tire. Soma lists a 26 x 1.25 version 
in stock. The difference in suppleness of ride between this tire and a 
Pasela TG is quite obvious to me. The bike feels like a different machine. 
The nature of my commute, and my unerring ability to ride straight over 
sparkly bits regardless of how much room and warning is given, assures the 
flat protection in the new tires would be tested. It has not been found 
wanting. 

Chris 
near Boston

On Sunday, May 18, 2014 8:56:57 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I wish the '03 would fit the Compass tires with fenders, but it won't -- 
> ~32 mm is the maximum with adequate gap. 
>
> I find that if I run the Kojaks a wee bit higher than I'd like to (~60/65 
> versus 55/60) they roll well enough. I am presently doubting whether the 
> Primo Racers would add enough to earn the cost and hassle of replacement.
>
> Note: all pavement, and generally pretty decent pavement; no dirt.
>
>
> On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Eric Platt 
> > wrote:
>
>> Another data point - my Surly LHT has 559x50 Kojak tires.  They are 
>> smooth, but nowhere near as nice as the Compass Barlow Pass tires.  
>>
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> Where is there a place for you to be? No place.
>
> "Nothing outside you can give you any place," he said. "You needn't to 
> look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind 
> it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into 
> somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your 
> daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is 
> all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was 
> any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there, 
> because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where 
> in your time and your body can they be? 
>
> "Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you?" he cried. "Show 
> me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where Jesus 
> had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of you 
> can find it?” 
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[RBW] Soma's Tanaka Decaleurs???

[jphillip...@icloud.com]

Hi,

   Has anyone used a Tanaka decaleur? Know anyone who has? It looks pretty 
easy to mount and rather adjustable:

http://store.somafab.com/tadeforth11.html

I would just like a little more info than what I could see on the Soma 
website before I pull the trigger & buy one.

Thanks much,

John  (who wears a helmet or his wife will hit him and make him wish he did)

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Re: [RBW] Re: BB length for Atlantis with White VBC cranks?

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Mark,
Did you try Keven or Brian at Riv? They both run VBC cranks.
Brian's Hunqapillar http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/staff10.htm
Keven's Appaloosa http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/staff3.htm

Good eye on the Radavist-- it seems like Jared (at Riv) may have insight 
into the BB length.

Keep me/us posted!
Shoji


On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 9:37:27 PM UTC-4, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Since this has been a topic on my mind, I just noticed that the 
> hunqapillar on the Radavist has the White Industries *road* VBC cranks, 
> which have a very narrow Q factor, plus 46/36 rings, which should be even 
> harder to fit than my situation. Confounding!
> http://theradavist.com/2014/05/allans-hunqapillar-dirt-tourer/#8
>
> So far emailing back and forth with W.I. and Riv hasn't turned up a 
> solution. Confusion continues. 
>
> On Monday, May 19, 2014 8:34:21 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> Well it's still a mystery. I used some callipers to measure the BB in my 
>> frame, it's 114 from end-to-end and my rings bottom out on the frame before 
>> the BB taper even starts to make full contact. Using the instructions on 
>> the white industries website, they'd have me running a spindle over 140, 
>> which cannot be right. I've emailed them as well as Mark at Riv for advice. 
>> My local shop doesn't have square taper BB's past 125, which I would have 
>> thought would be adequate. 
>>
>> There are enough photos of Atlantis' with VBC cranks to make me know this 
>> is a doable combination, but many of them seem to have smaller inner rings 
>> - usually around 30 or smaller. I'm wondering if the size of my inner ring 
>> is too large with the Atlantis flared chain stays. I hope to have this 
>> sorted out soon, the remaining parts for the bike are arriving this week 
>> and this is all that will hold me back.
>>
>> On Sunday, May 18, 2014 12:02:48 PM UTC-5, bicyc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm rolling a 40x24, for climbing infinity and maximum clearance. I'm 
>>> within a few mm of rubbing 60s. Not sure if I have a 113 or 118 down there, 
>>> been a year or so since I replaced it.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 6:30 PM, Shoji Takahashi 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Wow, really? Erik of Bikenoir/Cosmic Country mentioned 113mm BB on the 
 Hunqapillar. I have a VBC Mountain and 113mm waiting for installation in 
 the box... maybe I'll need to plan on a longer time window before 
 venturing.

 Here's the link to the thread on 113/VBC/Hunqapillar: 
 https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!starred/rbw-owners-bunch/jE_W_ff3RSU
  

 Good luck, Mark. 
 shoji

 On Friday, May 16, 2014 7:39:33 PM UTC-4, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I just got a pair of White Industries mountain VBC cranks with a 46/36 
> ring combination for my Atlantis build. There is a 113mm BB in the frame 
> currently and it is way too short to run these cranks, which isn't that 
> surprising. I followed the instructions on the WI website and it looks 
> like 
> I'll need a BB somewhere in the 130mm range, which seems very long to me.
>
>
> Is anyone out there running the VBC cranks on an Atlantis? Care to 
> share the inner ring size and BB length for comparison please?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mark
>
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[RBW] Re: Father-Son GAP Trip

[Deacon Patrick]

Fantastic, Tony! That's a lot of tunnels. Those wind turbines drive me 
nuts, with their visual motion and mostly their infrasound they put out. 
You describe it well when you say you can feel the vibration they make. 
Green energy is not pollution free.

To reveal my ignorance, I had no idea there was an Eastern Continental 
Divide. Makes sense, given the mountain ranges.

What a wonderful gift to get to spend time with your Dad that way! That is 
the most beautiful thing about the trip report, and there was a lot of 
beauty to be seen.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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[RBW] Re: Father-Son GAP Trip

[blakcloud]

That was a nice read, thanks for sharing it. Looking forward to more 
photos. 


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Re: [RBW] Pedal Strike - LongLow

[Tim Gavin]

I ride a similar setup to Jim, a Riv Road converted to 650b, and I scrape a
pedal occasionally.  Never catastrophically, just the light scrape when
pedaling around a curve with uneven or up-sloping terrain on the inside.

Like Patrick, I usually try to take care.  I didn't ride enough this winter
to start any bad habits, even with studs on my KOM; Iowa was pretty frozen
too.

IYou can always swap on a shorter crank for a bit more clearance.  I
swapped my 175 Campy Racing T crank for a 170 Stronglight 99 and like the
change.

Pedals can make a big difference in clearance, too.

Tim Gavin
Cedar Rapids, IA


On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 8:08 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I have the opposite problem: I ride fixed so much that even on coasters I
> corner very delicately -- in fact, I've lost many of such bike handling
> skills I once had for this reason. But I have clipped a fixed gear pedal
> once or twice, fortunately not falling.
>
> My advice: be mindful. I do have something to keep in mind on the
> (coaster) Ram that I don't have to mind on my other bikes (2 26" roads,
> Fargo): toe overlap. It's not a big deal, but I have to keep it in mind.
>
> In fact, one benefit of riding fixed is this sort of "anticipatory
> mindfulness" that becomes a habit and -- one hopes -- carries over to other
> bikes and other conditions.
>
> One great pleasure of a former fixie, a high-bb Diamond Back mtb shod with
> tall 60 mm Big Apples, was that I could lean into corners with little
> danger of hitting a pedal.
>
>
> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:44 PM, IanA  wrote:
>
>> Well, winter has finally passed and the road grit has mostly been swept
>> away, so the LongLow came out of storage (the livingroom - where else?) and
>> I was enjoying whipping along at speeds I'd all but forgotten about on my
>> 80's mountain bike that continues reliably in all conditions, but is dogged
>> about it.  The problem is that the mountain bike has a high bottom bracket
>> and will not pedal strike even when pedaling during tight lean through turn.
>>
>> First day out on the LL this year and I hit speeds of 55km/h (downhill),
>> but even on the flats the computer told me 40 km/h once or twice.  Such
>> fun.  Sadly, at quite low speed thankfully, I turned sharply, pedaling
>> through grounding my pedal and stalling the bike.  The pannier saved the
>> bike from scratches and I was unscathed.  A little rubber shaved off the
>> bar end shifter.
>>
>> It used to be my habit to coast through hard turns with the pedal in the
>> 12 o clock position on the lean side.  I'm concerned that I've been
>> retrained by my mountain bike.  I'm worried that I'll forget one time too
>> many.  Does this happen to anyone else?  If so, does the body remember when
>> the mind is absent?  The LL has such a low bb that if one forgets pedal
>> strike is to be expected.
>>
>> Ian A/the unfrozen north.
>>
>>
>>
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> was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it.
> Where is there a place for you to be? No place.
>
> "Nothing outside you can give you any place," he said. "You needn't to
> look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind
> it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
> somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
> daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
> all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was
> any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
> because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where
> in your time and your body can they be?
> "Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you?" he cried. "Show
> me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where Jesus
> had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of you
> can find it?”
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Re: [RBW] Pedal Strike - LongLow

[Patrick Moore]

I have the opposite problem: I ride fixed so much that even on coasters I
corner very delicately -- in fact, I've lost many of such bike handling
skills I once had for this reason. But I have clipped a fixed gear pedal
once or twice, fortunately not falling.

My advice: be mindful. I do have something to keep in mind on the (coaster)
Ram that I don't have to mind on my other bikes (2 26" roads, Fargo): toe
overlap. It's not a big deal, but I have to keep it in mind.

In fact, one benefit of riding fixed is this sort of "anticipatory
mindfulness" that becomes a habit and -- one hopes -- carries over to other
bikes and other conditions.

One great pleasure of a former fixie, a high-bb Diamond Back mtb shod with
tall 60 mm Big Apples, was that I could lean into corners with little
danger of hitting a pedal.


On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:44 PM, IanA  wrote:

> Well, winter has finally passed and the road grit has mostly been swept
> away, so the LongLow came out of storage (the livingroom - where else?) and
> I was enjoying whipping along at speeds I'd all but forgotten about on my
> 80's mountain bike that continues reliably in all conditions, but is dogged
> about it.  The problem is that the mountain bike has a high bottom bracket
> and will not pedal strike even when pedaling during tight lean through turn.
>
> First day out on the LL this year and I hit speeds of 55km/h (downhill),
> but even on the flats the computer told me 40 km/h once or twice.  Such
> fun.  Sadly, at quite low speed thankfully, I turned sharply, pedaling
> through grounding my pedal and stalling the bike.  The pannier saved the
> bike from scratches and I was unscathed.  A little rubber shaved off the
> bar end shifter.
>
> It used to be my habit to coast through hard turns with the pedal in the
> 12 o clock position on the lean side.  I'm concerned that I've been
> retrained by my mountain bike.  I'm worried that I'll forget one time too
> many.  Does this happen to anyone else?  If so, does the body remember when
> the mind is absent?  The LL has such a low bb that if one forgets pedal
> strike is to be expected.
>
> Ian A/the unfrozen north.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Mirrors and gadgets (was Why Wear a Helmet?)

[Ron Mc]

Our - hang in there, bro and be careful out there.  

On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 5:25:29 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Dear Jim,
>
> My deep condolences for the senseless loss of your friend.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 12:03:32 AM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> I just started using a helmet mirror because my friend got ran over and 
>> killed last Saturday on a popular cycling route.  I can understand the 
>> desire to see the cars behind you at all times.   I don't think you need a 
>> support group for it.
>>
>> http://kxan.com/2014/05/18/friends-remember-avid-cyclist-killed-in-crash/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Doug Williams wrote:
>>
>>> I admit that I am addicted to my helmet mirror as well. So much so, that 
>>> just a few days ago, I was pushing my shopping cart through the Costco 
>>> parking lot when I heard a car behind me. My first instinct was to glance 
>>> at my (non-existent) helmet mirror. Maybe I need to wear my helmet while 
>>> walking? Please help me! Is there a support group for mirror addiction?
>>>
>>> I really like my helmet mirror. It is the type that attaches to 
>>> eyeglasses, but I like it much more attached to my helmet visor. I am so 
>>> addicted to my mirror that I am stuck wearing my helmet whenever I am 
>>> riding near cars. Off road, I prefer my Tilley Hat, but on road, I need the 
>>> mirror. I know, I know…how un-Rivendell of me! The mirror used to fall off 
>>> until I lashed it onto the visor (Rivendell handlebar style) using hemp 
>>> twine that I bought from Riv. Of course, all this was a futile attempt to 
>>> assuage my guilt and “Riv my helmet” so I could tell myself that I’m not 
>>> really a geeky Fred. But truth be told, I am a geeky Fred; and no amount of 
>>> Rivendell hempen twine is going to fix that.
>>>
>>> Now I have a handlebar mount for my phone! Is there any hope for me? Can 
>>> I escape this gadget addiction?
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *JimD*
>>>
>>> I wear a helmet as insurance. Besides it's where I mount my mirror.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> I'd ride without the helmet before I rode without the mirror but, as it 
>>> is, they are inextricably linked.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Maybe we can have a 'discussion' about the use of mirrors?
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> As to helmets and horses go watch the cross country portion of a 3 day 
>>> trials. Those folks wear helmets some of them still get killed.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> -JimD
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> [image: 
>>> https://www.google.com/s2/photos/public/AIbEiAIAAABDCLSmj_6Ipu-PfSILdmNhcmRfcGhvdG8qKDc3NDljN2Q3NzlmZDA2NTE3MTVmY2Q5NDg0NmQ1OGI0ZDg3NTRkYjkwAfhM2l7isKQIScZs3e0snfxB_y9T?authuser=0&sz=34]
>>>  Ron 
>>> Mc
>>>
>>> I'm with you Jim, I can't ride without my mirror
>>>  
>>>  
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>>
>>
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>>
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[RBW] Father-Son GAP Trip

[Tony DeFilippo]

Yet another post raving about the GAP...  this trail is truly a national 
treasure!  My Dad and I did the trip from Frostburg, MD to Pittsburgh, PA 
over 3 days last Thurs-Sat.  Through some really fantastic luck we actually 
avoided getting drenched till a random cloudburst near Mckeesport finally 
got us on Saturday.  The tremendous deluge on Thursday hit Rockwood 
literally as we rolled into our guest house accommodations and the storm 
passed early the next morning making Friday a chilly but wonderful riding 
day.  I took alot of pictures along the way and I'm splitting them up into 
segments on my blog,  I should probably edit a little deeper but for anyone 
trying to get a feel for the trail I think more pictures might be helpful 
so I'm indulging in a pretty heavy dose of photos!  I'll post up here as I 
get them up.

Riv Content - The purple-luki handled the trail with every bit of grace you 
would expect.  We were pretty lightly loaded given that we were B&B or 
guest housing it for accommodations.  I only needed clothes, personal 
electronics, spares, tools, water and snacks.  I need to weigh the kit but 
my guess is less than 30 lbs.  I'll put up some more gear related thoughts 
soon once I've had a bit more time to think about it.  My cargo carrying 
was accomplished with a Carradice longflap in the back over a Nitto R-14 
and a Sackville Medium in a Wald 137 up front.  That did put most of my 
weight carried up hi but as it is my general commuting setup I didn't 
notice any handling issues. I'd like to try a lower riding pannier setup 
sometime to compare.  One piece of gear I wish I'd had - An Axe! :) or a 
folding saw anyway, we came across a number of downed trees that we could 
mostly get the bikes up and over easily but I just saw on the GAP Facebook 
page that a landslide caused a more serious blockage just after we'd gone 
by.  Mostly I'm bemoaning missing the opportunity to strap a hatchet to the 
bike... next time!

I'm already three posts deep in my GAP retrospective on the blog so here 
you go;

Preview

Frostburg - Mason Dixon Line 
Gallery

Mason Dixon Line - Rockwood Gallery 


I'll leave off w/ some more Riv Content... I rode the Purple-Luki all the 
way to Pittsburgh but I returned with a Fairway Green-Luki courtesy of Bill 
E.  The Purple torch has been passed, I enjoyed my time with her very much 
and I'm really looking forward to getting the Fairway Green Saluki built 
up.  In the end the agapanthus purple just wasn't for me but I can't wait 
to see what Bill does with her.  I've got some stripped down side by side 
frame shot's coming soon from our meet up and swap.



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Re: [RBW] Mirrors and gadgets (was Why Wear a Helmet?)

[Deacon Patrick]

Dear Jim,

My deep condolences for the senseless loss of your friend.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 12:03:32 AM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> I just started using a helmet mirror because my friend got ran over and 
> killed last Saturday on a popular cycling route.  I can understand the 
> desire to see the cars behind you at all times.   I don't think you need a 
> support group for it.
>
> http://kxan.com/2014/05/18/friends-remember-avid-cyclist-killed-in-crash/
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Doug Williams 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> I admit that I am addicted to my helmet mirror as well. So much so, that 
>> just a few days ago, I was pushing my shopping cart through the Costco 
>> parking lot when I heard a car behind me. My first instinct was to glance 
>> at my (non-existent) helmet mirror. Maybe I need to wear my helmet while 
>> walking? Please help me! Is there a support group for mirror addiction?
>>
>> I really like my helmet mirror. It is the type that attaches to 
>> eyeglasses, but I like it much more attached to my helmet visor. I am so 
>> addicted to my mirror that I am stuck wearing my helmet whenever I am 
>> riding near cars. Off road, I prefer my Tilley Hat, but on road, I need the 
>> mirror. I know, I know…how un-Rivendell of me! The mirror used to fall off 
>> until I lashed it onto the visor (Rivendell handlebar style) using hemp 
>> twine that I bought from Riv. Of course, all this was a futile attempt to 
>> assuage my guilt and “Riv my helmet” so I could tell myself that I’m not 
>> really a geeky Fred. But truth be told, I am a geeky Fred; and no amount of 
>> Rivendell hempen twine is going to fix that.
>>
>> Now I have a handlebar mount for my phone! Is there any hope for me? Can 
>> I escape this gadget addiction?
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>  
>>
>> *JimD*
>>
>> I wear a helmet as insurance. Besides it's where I mount my mirror.
>>
>>  
>>
>> I'd ride without the helmet before I rode without the mirror but, as it 
>> is, they are inextricably linked.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Maybe we can have a 'discussion' about the use of mirrors?
>>
>>  
>>
>> As to helmets and horses go watch the cross country portion of a 3 day 
>> trials. Those folks wear helmets some of them still get killed.
>>
>>  
>>
>> -JimD
>>
>>  
>>
>> [image: 
>> https://www.google.com/s2/photos/public/AIbEiAIAAABDCLSmj_6Ipu-PfSILdmNhcmRfcGhvdG8qKDc3NDljN2Q3NzlmZDA2NTE3MTVmY2Q5NDg0NmQ1OGI0ZDg3NTRkYjkwAfhM2l7isKQIScZs3e0snfxB_y9T?authuser=0&sz=34]
>>  Ron 
>> Mc
>>
>> I'm with you Jim, I can't ride without my mirror
>>  
>>  
>>
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