Re: CS & Immunity
Dear Whitney, The biggest part of your immune system is between your ears. That "fight or flight" reaction is there for a reason, and the creepy crawlies you get when you have bugs (internal or external) causes most folks (wait!! wait!! I forgot. This is not my week to speak for "most folks," so beg pardon) causes me to look for bug killer. I don't trust my phagocytes and other unmentionables to work without my mind also being involved. I really like the way you think, Whitney. But I'm gonna treat you like any good sister and disagree occasionally. This is one of those occasions. wil -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS & Immunity
Not true in Lyme Disease. Having Lyme disease and making antibodies does not offer any immunity ! You can get reinfected over and over and indeed people have. And this is why, if I thought I had Lyme (which I already do, but I mean in hindsight, knowing what I know now) I wouldn't wait. I'd take the CS as soon as possible and kill those buggers before they set up permanent housekeeping in my body! Just MHO. chc ___ Hello Deb and everyone: This story seems to me to illustrate the virtue of giving your immune system a chance to fight off any bug it "catches" thoroughly *before* coming to the rescue with CS, with electromedicine, with antibiotics, or with *any* external anti-microbial. If your immune system is able to fight off the invaders, it will do so by creating antibodies against the invader--enough antibodies, and strong-enough ones, to defeat the enemy. After the invaders are gone, you retain the antibodies for an extended period of time--in some cases for life. They, in turn will protect you in the future. Of course there will be times when we need CS or something like it. But for the most part, it is best to let the immune system take care of the infection on its own, as long as it seems to be doing so effectively. Whitney > I was reading the "silver" topic on a pet related list today and someone that >uses it said that she used it on her young daughter for chicken pox and the pox >were gone in 48 hours BUT, she said this left the child with no immunity to the >pox and she acquired them again three months later. Anyone have any opinions on >this one?? Deb -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Smallest Particle CS: Key to killing Lyme?
Nancy B. wrote: > > The info at the CSPro site & regarding the Motherlode > regarding smaller particle size could certainly have > significance to those treating Lyme disease with CS. > > In recent scientific literature from Lyme Disease > Foundation, as well as a couple lectures I went to, I > learned that borrelia burgdorpheri, the bacteria that causes > Lyme disease, apparently attacks intracellularly. > > Thus, it would make sense to take the smallest particle size > CS possible, enabling more silver per given ppm to be > available to the vast no. of cells infected. > > Perhaps this explains why some of our list people have > responded better to CS than others; either their infection > hadn't gone intracellular yet, or the particle size of their > CS was smaller than the others. If HVAC is the answer to > the smallest particle size, I'm no where near close with my > 24volt AC to DC unit. It certainly has helped me keep Lyme > at bay, but I want to go "all the way" in my fight against > these microbes, which incidentally have the ability to cloak > themselves with human proteins, deceiving our immune > systems. That has been my feeling for quite sometime Nancy. The SURFACE area of smaller particles is quite astonishing. Maybe the math pros around here could give us an laymans example of surface area of particles that are 100ppm at .001 verses .005 for example. I thought Reid was going to say something today about his Water-oz silver. It appears that he is in the placebo study at the moment. I think that is a good sign and a very valid observation on his part. bjs -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Smallest Particle CS: Key to killing Lyme?
The info at the CSPro site & regarding the Motherlode regarding smaller particle size could certainly have significance to those treating Lyme disease with CS. In recent scientific literature from Lyme Disease Foundation, as well as a couple lectures I went to, I learned that borrelia burgdorpheri, the bacteria that causes Lyme disease, apparently attacks intracellularly. Thus, it would make sense to take the smallest particle size CS possible, enabling more silver per given ppm to be available to the vast no. of cells infected. Perhaps this explains why some of our list people have responded better to CS than others; either their infection hadn't gone intracellular yet, or the particle size of their CS was smaller than the others. If HVAC is the answer to the smallest particle size, I'm no where near close with my 24volt AC to DC unit. It certainly has helped me keep Lyme at bay, but I want to go "all the way" in my fight against these microbes, which incidentally have the ability to cloak themselves with human proteins, deceiving our immune systems. I know this sounds like sci-fi, but it's not. This is based on current research. Off topic: Praise the Lord-- my computer hasn't crashed since I installed win98 this afternoon! I don't know what I did different; I was ready to erase everything from my hard drive because I couldn't stay in windows (95 or 98) for more than maybe 1/2 minute earlier today! God answered my prayers; yes, he even cares about our computers! I wasn't so sure; I spend more time with my computer than I do with Him. But he is gracious merciful despite my affections often being misplaced! Also, thanks Marcia for that beautiful account of the 3 year old boy! Sincerely, Nancy B. || bernt...@altavista.net ch...@altavista.net Home schoolers: CHEAP used books http://www.oikourgos.com/cheap Oikos Interactive Family Journal http://www.oikourgos.com/oikos Lyme Disease info: http://www.oikourgos.com/trisha || -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Forgot-- Thanks for the info on CSPro!
I got a lot of private emails suggesting that unit. The website is quite impressive and informative; the best I've seen yet. As you can see, my husband would rather make our own; hope someone can offer some plans. Sincerely, Nancy B. || bernt...@altavista.net ch...@altavista.net Home schoolers: CHEAP used books http://www.oikourgos.com/cheap Oikos Interactive Family Journal http://www.oikourgos.com/oikos Lyme Disease info: http://www.oikourgos.com/trisha || -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
HVAC System Plans
I asked my husband what hvac meant; he rattled off, "heating, ventilation and air conditioning!" Well, then when I told him it had to do with making CS, he got it. He got real interested when I told him how much the Motherlode & the CSPro units cost. Now he wants plans to make his own, rather than shell out $500+ for someone else's labor. Does anyone have plans for such? Could someone here that's also on the rife list ask this for me on Rife too, and get back to me or give them my email address (bernt...@altavista.net or silverwo...@bigfoot.com )? Many thanks! Sincerely, Nancy B. || bernt...@altavista.net ch...@altavista.net Home schoolers: CHEAP used books http://www.oikourgos.com/cheap Oikos Interactive Family Journal http://www.oikourgos.com/oikos Lyme Disease info: http://www.oikourgos.com/trisha || -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Research on CS
It was silver nitrate. I used it on burn patients. It was in a cream of silvadene. Life is Fragile. Handle with Prayer Susan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Off Topic: Shingles
I send this to bjs. He asked that I share it with the list. We use lots of alternatives, and I'm not completely comfortable putting it out there for other eyes, but when bjs asks me for something, he can be very convincing. I don't recommend anything to anyone most of the time. But if you want anecdotes, we have a satchel full. XMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXM We have no problem at all with shingles. Chuck, his father, and > his grandmother all have had shingles. His grandmother > developed them about 3 or 4 years ago and still has them. > Chuck used Zovirax for his (they were in his eye,) and it > did NOTHING. The danger that he'd soon be blind was large. > He started rectally insufflating ozone, and they healed within > 2 or 3 days. When his father came down with them 3 or so > weeks ago, he asked to come over and use the ozone machine. > His had not even broken through the skin when he began the > ozone. They broke through immediately after his first > treatment, and dried up within a week. > > Chuck's face has continued to itch for the 2 years since the > shingles until he started splashing his face and the area over > the ganglia where the shingles reside with CS. Maybe it's > psychosomatic, but he doesn't itch. We'll take it!! > Whatever the cause!! > > Wil C. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Silver and immunity
Debbie McDonald wrote: > > All, > I was reading the "silver" topic on a pet related list today and someone > that > uses it said that she used it on her young daughter for chicken pox and the > pox > were gone in 48 hours BUT, she said this left the child with no immunity to > the > pox and she acquired them again three months later. Anyone have any opinions > on > this one?? Deb > Chicken pox is tricky anyway isn't it? I mean that it returns as shingles later in life. I know one guy that has had it for 12 years now. So the body doesn't really get rid if it. I found the following, so sometimes it is not wise to let the body take full responsibilty. bjs Posted by Jody on February 10, 1998 at 15:16:52: In Reply to: chicken pox vaccine posted by Marie on September 17, 1997 at 09:56:13: DO IT! My healthy 21-month-old son died from complications from the chicken pox. If only someone had stressed to me the fact that children can die from chicken pox, and the need to get him immunized, only God knows. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: PLEASE READ: Summary and recommendations...
M. G. Devour wrote: > > bjs wrote: > > > M. G. Devour wrote: > > > Oops! I didn't mean to imply that I would force anyone to > do anything. Everyone makes their own choices. If I am misreading the > issue I want to be overruled. I should have made that clearer. I don't know. All of us are just sitting around reading all these opinions and the list leader comes in and sides with keeping things one particular way, some here can take it that the RULING has come down. It's all down hill from here Mike, or is it up hill? > I would think that people will just tell us what they're willing to > contribute to and when. If they're concerned they can't give to > both maybe they can reduce their pledge to the other fund? We've > gotten over half way there without anyone even mentioning a shift of > their pledge, so I hope there might not even be an issue to worry > about. Both will be intact and successful in their time? Like Reid said, maybe we put the cart in front of the horse. All I am saying is if someone wants to divert their money to a cause that is of a more immediate need (most probably did not know about the original fund to begin with and may of contributed to it) there should be no problem. I'm just glad that I did not contribute any pledges yet because that look pretty cheap of me. (grin) > > We should error on the safe side. Just think of it as a little tax > > cut for the already over exceeded goal. > > I just wonder if that testing isn't going to end up taking every > penny we're willing to throw at it? Not a criticism of the idea, > which I support fully, but rather acceptance of several corollaries > to Murphy's Law! Don't worry Mike, we know you will cover the difference. I will even be the fund raising leader to pay you back. Comforting thought, huh? > > I guess this is unpopular with the higher ups around here. It is > > really starting to turn me off to be honest. Thankfully, I got a small foot because it quite frequently ends up in my mouth. bjs -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: MCT Fund Update 7/31 AM
Robert L. Wells wrote: > Although it appears that there is evidence that some silver > products either kill bacteria or limit its growth, I want to > know how a home-made brew stacks up. I agree that we need > to define the manufacturing process and quality standards of > what we test. At the start of this, my main thoughts were with the particulate size and effectiveness, is the size a factor in how well it works. Are we back to having no real way to discern this measuring process now? or is there still some way this will be able to be tested. Someone with lots of time would be needed for the subsequent tests on down from that level.We "know" it works, but the retailers of CS are telling multiple versions of why THEIR'S works best. We need to be able to tell ourselves and newcomers needing help the answer to this. Maybe we could turn some mice blue in the meantime:). Deb -- Debbie McDonald mailto:lullw...@flash.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
MCT Fund Update 7/31 AM
There were no updates on 7/30. More funds have been pledged. They are shown below. First, however, an editorial comment in response to bjs' concerns (which I appreciate): >There are those that want other people to tell them what >to do with their money, and there are those that would >like to make that decision for themselves. We should >error on the safe side. Just think of it as a little tax cut for >the already over exceeded goal. I guess this is unpopular >with the higher ups around here. It is really starting to turn >me off to be honest. We as a group can do anything we >want, and we will. Once they start controlling the money, >there will be none. Let's keep it clean as we can. >bjs As the instigator of the MCT idea, and having inherited the responsibility to track the pledges, my policy is the following: The pledges being listed as part of an MCT Fund are for the purpose of testing home brewed colloidal silver (possibly compared to a commercial brand) for either bacteriostatic properties (limiting growth/reproduction of bacteria) or for bactericidal properties (ability to kill bacteria). Pledges can be made or withdrawn at any time until a decision is made and money is sent. Decisions will be made by unanimous vote. Anyone not voting or disenting, when the time comes, will be considered to have withdrawn their pledge. Lab tests will not be done and checks will not be cashed until the final committed amount has been received. I will publicly disclose what funds have been received once we get to that point. I will respect anyone's desires to remain anonymous, but will still disclose the amounts accordingly. Therefore, I concur with M. Devour's opinion that funds for different purposes be kept separate. I don't want to be involved in collecting or reallocating money for Jim's efforts, mostly because it could be too complicated and messy. I've put my money where my mouth is. I think Jim's work is valuable. I think it deserves to be supported financially. I've sent $50 to Jim Einert and I've restated my $50 pledge to the Microbial Challenge Test. I recommit myself to obtaining solid proposals for the MCT from one or more labs. Although it appears that there is evidence that some silver products either kill bacteria or limit its growth, I want to know how a home-made brew stacks up. I agree that we need to define the manufacturing process and quality standards of what we test. Please, don't anyone feel forced or coerced to support any efforts by members of this group in any particular direction. When the time comes, you'll do your real voting with your checkbook, after using your brain and your heart. Until then, all pledges are simply an indication of the level of support you feel you can give, assuming you agree with the direction most of us choose to go in. Based on responses to date, the support for a microbial test is clear. Before anyone sends a red cent, I'll give you enough information to hang me high if I'm irresponsible with your precious resources, and I promise to account publicly and meticulously for every penny. I will also report the results publicly for everyone's benefit. Bob Wells The latest MCT pledge is now $635: Bob Leel...@fbtc.net$20.00 Tom Young tyo...@esslink.com $20.00 Bruce K. Stenulson stenul...@amigo.net $20.00 Paul Bembower bembo...@fastrans.net$20.00 M. G. Devour mdev...@mail.id.net $20.00 Nick Ferraro trans...@aol.com $50.00 Sandi swoinow...@plix.com $50.00 Michael Mahoneymmaho...@eoni.com$20.00 Bill VSbill...@cheerful.com $20.00 Jerry WineBrenner win...@aol.com $20.00 Whitney Collinsxanadu...@email.msn.com $20.00 D. K. Masontvst...@worldlink.net$10.00 Fidget fid...@warwick.net $10.00 Robert Wells robert.we...@ny.ubs.com $50.00 George N. Allengal...@cpcug.org $20.00 W. D. Cavanaughchuck...@iamerica.net$10.00 Debbie McDonaldlullw...@flash.net $10.00 Marsha Hallett liah...@pacbell.net $20.00 Dameon likow...@earthlink.net $20.00 Dean Woodward woodw...@educelec.com$20.00 George george.bere...@nashville.com $20.00 George Martin gmar...@usonet.ne.jp $50.00 Douglas McMurtrie dmcmu...@bellatlantic.net$50.00 Jeff Lafavre jeff_lafa...@ameritech.net $20.00 Donna Earnestmariedo...@worldnet.att.net$10.00 Sharonstars...@worldaxes.com$15.00 Anonymous1 $20.00
MCT Fund
Thanks Whitney, your support is valued. However, you need to be the person who decides where your contribution goes. I don't think anyone else should do it for you unless you specifically appoint someone to make your decision for you and are prepared to write a check. If you want to support Reid and Jim, send them a check now. They'll appreciate it. If you want to stick with the microbial test, you can do that too. It's your choice. If you drop out of the MCT Fund, just let me know. Bob Wells Whitney wrote: >Mike, your recommendations are all OK with me. >I do want to say that the $20 which I pledged for >microbial testing can be moved wherever it is needed >(to the particle-size measurement or ppm testing projects). >Whitney Collins
Testing for TDS...
Mike and silver-listers: I talked to a gentleman named Pete at Hanna Instruments in Rhode Island, and told him exactly what it is I'm trying to do with CS, and what range of PPM I am trying to achieve. He originally had intended to suggest the $15 TDS-1 or the $46 DiST-WP1, but upon further reflection he suggested what they call the PWT. It has a range of 0-99.9 uS/cm (micro-Siemens). 1 micro-Siemen/cm is equivalent, Peter says, to 2 mg/l or 2 ppm. So, you could use this instrument, which has an accuracy of 2% of full scle (or 2 uS/cm) on CS with an actual TDS of 12ppm, and get a reading of 22-26 uS/cm. This number is easily and, perhaps more accurately, translated into a reading of 11-13 ppm, an accuracy of +/- 1 ppm. Further, Hanna can supply a calibration solution for $8.40/460mL, which, if properly cared for, could last for a very long time. The calibration standard is at 84 uS/cm, which is 42 ppm, and is much closer to our range than anything we could manufacture reliably ourselves. Before I spend anything on this, I'd like to know what some of you think of this. You can look at this on-line at: http://www.hannainst.com/products/testers/pwt.htm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Darkfield microscopy
Here is a response to questions by Johan and Jim. Darkfield microscopy is accomplished by using a special condenser. The condenser delivers a hollow cone of light with the tip of the cone focused on the specimen. The angle of the light rays is such that all of the light misses the microscope objective, thus causing a dark field of view. However, a specimen can refract or reflect some of the impinging light and divert it into the microscope objective. Therefore, objects in the specimen appear to be bright against a dark background. With this type of specimen illumination it is possible to detect objects even when they are smaller than the resolution limit of the microscope. However, this does not mean that you can measure their size, at least not directly. A similar situation is known in astronomy. When you look at the stars at night with the naked eye, they appear as pin points of light. Because of their vast distance, the diameters of stars can't be resolved by the naked eye. In fact, even when one observes the stars with the most powerful telescopes on Earth, they still look like pin points of light because their diameters are too small to be resolved!!! Nevertheless, the stars are seen easily, we just can't see their shape or measure their diameters (although astronomers have special techniques to measure the diameter of stars). Here is an example that most of us have seen. Early during the day, or late in the day, when the sun shines through a window, it is easy to see dust floating in the air. These particles are much too small to be resolved by the naked eye, yet we can see them. The operating principle in this case is similar to the darkfield microscope. So the question is, can you measure a smaller particle size with darkfield illumination than brightfield? Perhaps you could push the theoretical resolution limit slightly with darkfield. Suppose you could measure a particle with a 0.1 micron diameter using darkfield compared to 0.2 micron with brightfield. Will this help our research significantly? I don't think so but correct me if I am wrong. But there is one thought I had. Perhaps one could estimate the relative size of CS particles in a darkfield according to how bright they appear. If the amount of light diverted by a CS particle is proportional to its size, then larger particles should appear brighter in the field than smaller particles. To do darkfield work you need to pay attention to the numerical apertures of the condenser and objective. The numerical aperture should be stamped on the body of the condenser and the barrel of the objective. For example, an Abbe condenser (for brightfield work) typically has a numerical aperture of 1.25. This is a measure of the cone of light it will deliver to the specimen. The numerical aperture of the objective is a measure of the cone of light that it will accept from the specimen. A typical achromat objective of 100 power (oil immersion) will have a numerical aperture of 1.25, a high dry objective of 40 power will have a numerical aperture of about 0.65. You also need to have some understanding about the refractive indices of different materials. Air has a refractive index of 1.0, water 1.33, glass 1.5. If you want to use the full numerical aperture of an Abbe condenser, it is necessary to apply immersion oil between the condenser and the bottom of the specimen slide. Without the oil, you limit the numerical aperture to just below 1.0 because the refractive index of air is 1.0 (i.e., light rays of a greater angle will be reflected at the glass to air interface and not proceed into the specimen). My darkfield condenser has a numerical aperture of 1.33. The cutoff for the inner surface of the hollow cone of light it delivers is 1.2 (condenser is stamped with 1.33 - 1.2). Therefore, this condenser would be totally useless if it is not oiled to the slide (or one could use water since it has a refractive index the same as the NA of this condenser). If you don't oil this condenser to the bottom of the slide, all of the light from the condenser will be reflected off the glass-air interface and none will reach the specimen. Now if I want to use my high power objective with this condenser, I have a problem. Some of the light from my condenser will enter the objective because it has a higher NA (1.25) than the inner cutoff of the condenser (1.2). In order to overcome this problem, my objective is fitted with an adjustable iris (like in a 35 mm camera) which can be used to stop down the objective (i.e., reduce the NA). Then the iris is stopped down just until the field becomes dark. At this point I have maximum resolution with a dark background. What if you don't have an iris in your high power immersion objective? If it has a higher NA than the cutoff of your condenser you have a problem. You could try to fashion a stop to insert inside your objective but I would not recommend doing this. In this case you will probably ha
Re: Money...
> > Here's mine: > > > > Reid Smith > > 1407 N. Glendale > > Marion, IL 62959 > > > >Thank you all for understanding my situation and helping. > > > > Take Care > > > > Reid > > > An here is mine as well! > > Jim Einert > P.O. Box 10 > Ozone, AR 72854 > I think I know some people that are from Arkansas, that ought to be at Marion. That is the place, right Reid? bjs -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Filtering CS
This is my third attempt to send this message. I wonder if the attached URL is what's causing the problem. I'll try again but this time I'll just embed the URL in the text. http://www.osmonics.com/products/page323.htm Also, Vern, regarding the PUR water filter that goes down to .004 microns. If you could provide the model # for that it would be a big help. I haven't found one that small yet from them or any other general purpose filter mfg. Also, I believe these type of filters provide some kind of chemical purification also don't they? Original msg follows: Hi All, I don't know if this has been covered in the past but anyway, regarding the possibility of mechanically filtering at the level of .005 - .015 microns. It looks like this is a very feasible way to go. There is a company that produces suitable filters in .01 and .03 micron sizes. There is some initial equipment cost but it isn't totally unreasonable. I didn't get an exact inventory because I was in a hurry when I spoke with them but my feeling is that the necessary static eliminator, filter holder, and other equipment to filter volumes up to 1 litre at a time would be in the $100 - $200 range. As I come to understand the setup better, I suspect that the price will come down. The filters themselves are $140 for a pack of 100. They may or may not be backwashable depending on the use. Even at 1 use each that only adds $1.40 / litre to cost of production. Not too much for a guarantee that the CS is at the biologically active particle size. Attached is the url for the specs on the filter. Oh yeh, the sales tech that I spoke with there said that they already have some customers using this specific device to filter colloidal gold. Sounds like a reasonable precedent. Love to hear everyones' thoughts on this. Take care, Doug. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Followup to PPM techniques
Excellent point. Apparently there are electrostatic issues to be dealt with in filtering that finely. The tech that I spoke with at Osmonics said that they have a "device" that they sell for the explicit purpose of electrically neutralizing the filters before use. Bill Kingsbury wrote: > > I agree with Bruce's cautions. Filtering would require accurate > testing, before it's effects could be accepted, or rejected. > First we need to establish the 'accurate testing'. > > Ignoring the cost issue, could 'centrifuging' be technically > useful in some cases ? > > --Bill > > 7-30-98, Bruce wrote: > > > >A thought on filtering these charged silver particles; will charged > >ions of silver tend to be attracted to the filter matrix, even when > >small enough to pass otherwise, because of their charge? > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Followup to PPM techniques
I agree with Bruce's cautions. Filtering would require accurate testing, before it's effects could be accepted, or rejected. First we need to establish the 'accurate testing'. Ignoring the cost issue, could 'centrifuging' be technically useful in some cases ? --Bill 7-30-98, Bruce wrote: > >A thought on filtering these charged silver particles; will charged >ions of silver tend to be attracted to the filter matrix, even when >small enough to pass otherwise, because of their charge? > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: giardia and cryptosporidium treatable by cs?
Peter McLennan wrote: > Does anyone have info on cs effect upon giardia and > cryptosporidium? Try this site from the gov't of British Colombia: http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/epd/cpr/criteria/awqcfs.html It's a report on "Ambient Water Quality Criteria for Silver." The good stuff is about half way through. > My guess is that ozonating might be effective,as this has been in > use by local public swimming pools since a recent scare(same > bugs).Hey,maybe there's a challenge for measuring cs "kill" using > these 'strong' bugs? What do you think? Try this site for some neat devices for swimming pool maintenance: http://web.evcom.net/Zark/index.htm Wouldn't you love to be able to jump into a pool of sparkling clear water with no chlorine or algacide? Cool! Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
SPECIAL STORY
Thanks Marsha I'm glad you made the mistake it is a Special Story Peace and Health to you and may the White Light protect you Barbara and Brian in OZ VK5KBW http://www.senet.com.au/~brains/intro.htm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: PLEASE READ: (plus comfrey)
Mike, Thanks for keeping the "moderate" in "moderator." btw, I was supposed to have been unsubscribed. Since I wasn't, I gratefully read what I can and pretend I'm unsubscribed with the rest. We're really a bunch of opinionated hotheads, aren't we? However, I'm whelmed that each is harnessing his heat to produce such beneficial power; even more amazed that when we are flamed it just makes us brighter; and there is never any lack of respect . Till next time--- Wil with a ps below I haven't forgot to mail comfrey to those who requested it. With Mother's cancer, and Chuck's having some problems, and life's normal challenges, I have not taken the time. Two of you I have addresses for, but have lost the third. If you requested comfrey, please write me direct (not to the list) in case you are the third name that I've lost. Thanks. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Money...
> From: "Marsha Hallett" > To: > Subject: Re: Money... > Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:24:39 -0700 > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Well, Marsha if I would have read the post right I would have noticed you said "lived" past tense!!! Duh!!! Take Care! Jim > > Jim Einert > P.O. Box 10 > Ozone, AR 72854 > > Dear Jim, > Whoa! I lived in Arkansas, too!! We were in Russellville for 3 years, that > is where I got my lovely case of Lyme disease, and faced off with the > dumbdoc!! > Small world... > Let`s see, I`ve been in: CA, ID, WA, WI, AR, VA, MD, LA, CO, AZ, UT, and OH. > Now comes IL. > This`ll be our 27th move in 25 years. > I`m tired... > Marsha > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
giardia and cryptosporidium treatable by cs?
Dear silver colloiders, I posted a query regarding these two water borne parasites to the rife list,and was suggested to refer to you.Does anyone have info on cs effect upon giardia and cryptosporidium ?Apparently they survive chlorine & UV exposure undeterred,but can be boiled to death.There is a major concern in Sydney,Australia regarding the city water supply which has been found to be contaminated by the above critters. My guess is that ozonating might be effective,as this has been in use by local public swimming pools since a recent scare(same bugs).Hey,maybe there's a challenge for measuring cs "kill" using these 'strong' bugs? What do you think? (the silver's on the top shelf) petemc -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Money...
> From: "Marsha Hallett" > To: > Subject: Re: Money... > Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:24:39 -0700 > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Jim Einert > P.O. Box 10 > Ozone, AR 72854 > > Dear Jim, > Whoa! I lived in Arkansas, too!! We were in Russellville for 3 years, that > is where I got my lovely case of Lyme disease, and faced off with the > dumbdoc!! > Small world... > Let`s see, I`ve been in: CA, ID, WA, WI, AR, VA, MD, LA, CO, AZ, UT, and OH. > Now comes IL. > This`ll be our 27th move in 25 years. > I`m tired... > Marsha > Hey Marsha, Ozone is north of Clarksville, which is 25 miles west of Russellville. Small world huh??? Where in Arkansas are you living now? (until you move again!) Take Care! Jim -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Filters.
Mike, What about one of the PUR or other camp water purifiers. Some filter down to .004 micron. About 70 bucks if I remember correctly. The ones in the .2 to 1.0 micron range only go for around 30 bucks. Thing is that the better one might just filter out the silver as well, at least for the larger particles and clumps. Just a thought. Vern -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, July 30, 1998 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Followup to PPM techniques I just checked in my trusty Fisher Scientific catalog, and there are lots of different filters in the range of 0.2 microns and above, and many down to 0.1 microns. I did find one interesting entry, Alumina matrix filter membranes from Whatman, in 0.2 micron, 0.1 micron, and 0.02 micron!! Not cheap, but would give you a decent idea of what concentration of bioactive particles you have. So careful filtration/separation techniques could be used. Be well, Mike D. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Donations For Microscope Camera- Reid
At 11:16 AM 7/30/98 -0400, you wrote: >On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, chc wrote: > >> Dear Reid; >> >> I have $20 to kick off your microscope equipment fund drive. I do >> believe that Jim and your efforts will more than benefit the colloidal >> silver makers of America. >> >> Please let us know where to send the check. >> >> Good Luck and I trust that others will see the value of your >> equipment to their efforts. Dark field microscopes do not come cheap and >> the ability to check colloidal size, quality, and microorganism >> inhibition with it will be invaluable in the long run. Plus to have one >> of their own, whom they can trust to give them honest, diligent results >> is priceless. >> >> c...@jps.net >> > > >Reid, > I'm in for $20 also. Where to send the check? > I second chc's sentiments. Reid Smith 1407 N. Glendale Marion, IL 62959 Thank you and I'll help the list and Jim out as much as I possably can. The test with paramicium really surprized me. I've been putting this stuff (CS) in my body and wondered if it had any effect or maybe it's just a placebo. I've read several articals where CS is supposed to kill bacteria but I've learned not to allways believe what I read. That test convinced me that it does work. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: PLEASE READ: Summary and recommendations...
bjs wrote: > M. G. Devour wrote: > > Pledges: I agree with those who want to keep the pledge funds > > separate. > I respectivly disagree. There are those that want other people to > tell them what to do with their money, and there are those that > would like to make that decision for themselves. Oops! I didn't mean to imply that I would force anyone to do anything. Everyone makes their own choices. If I am misreading the issue I want to be overruled. I should have made that clearer. I would think that people will just tell us what they're willing to contribute to and when. If they're concerned they can't give to both maybe they can reduce their pledge to the other fund? We've gotten over half way there without anyone even mentioning a shift of their pledge, so I hope there might not even be an issue to worry about. Both will be intact and successful in their time? > We should error on the safe side. Just think of it as a little tax > cut for the already over exceeded goal. I just wonder if that testing isn't going to end up taking every penny we're willing to throw at it? Not a criticism of the idea, which I support fully, but rather acceptance of several corollaries to Murphy's Law! > I guess this is unpopular with the higher ups around here. It is > really starting to turn me off to be honest. There really are no higher ups around here. Sometimes a bigmouth with diarrhea of the keyboard at this end, but I'm trying. When I open a digest like I did today and see several posts in a row by me I cringe. I don't see myself as *boss* and don't want to be taken that way. I'm sorry if I made you uncomfortable. I won't shut down the list or kick people off for choosing a different way to achieve our goals, or for wanting to change those goals. It would be wrong to do such things to people that I value. If the mission ever shifted so far I felt I couldn't honor it, I'd ask to be replaced. What other options do I have? And I'm serious when I compare the notion of "controlling" this group of individuals to herding cats. I'm astounded by (and grateful for) the patience you've all had with me. You've accepted my influence to a greater degree than I have any right to expect. I don't intend to overreach the bounds of your consent. > We as a group can do anything we want, and we will. Once they > start controlling the money, there will be none. Let's keep it > clean as we can. I don't plan to touch any money myself, so whatever you folks agree on to keep things clean I'll go for. Each list member will decide for themselves if the safeguards are adequate. My only real "authority" in this aspect of list operation is as a gatekeeper to prevent us being hassled or overwhelmed by unwelcome and incessant solicitations, in defense of the non-commercial nature of the forum. Again, I'm sorry if I didn't make myself clear. If Doug feels we can afford to hold off on those ppm assays long enough to work out the initial standard recipe, and a few of us want to do it, then we can go that route. I'm waiting to hear if that's acceptable. I'll have to go get some 14 ga silver wire, since I've been using 12 ga. Other than that I'm ready to breadboard whatever generator design we decide to run with. Be well, Mike D. silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Money...
Jim Einert P.O. Box 10 Ozone, AR 72854 Dear Jim, Whoa! I lived in Arkansas, too!! We were in Russellville for 3 years, that is where I got my lovely case of Lyme disease, and faced off with the dumbdoc!! Small world... Let`s see, I`ve been in: CA, ID, WA, WI, AR, VA, MD, LA, CO, AZ, UT, and OH. Now comes IL. This`ll be our 27th move in 25 years. I`m tired... Marsha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Research on CS
>Marsha Hallett, > >Please, What's Melaleuca? > >Take care, "smile and watch for the birdies". > >Douglas Haack, Sydney Dear Douglas, What??!! An Ozzie, asking "What`s Melaleuca??"!! Why `tis Australian Tea Tree Oil, from the Melaleuca alternifolia tree, grown mainly in lovely Australia. (Wish I could come visit... sigh) Sure is good stuff. With it and CS, who needs docs, other than for injuries, and C sections. (Thank God for the latter, my 19 year old Sailor son was saved by being born that way! He was 4 weeks past due and his head bones had closed already, by the time we decided we`d better get him out of the oven. He liked cooking a little extra, I suppose...A natural birth would have crushed his skull) Marsha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Money...
> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:24:41 -0500 > To:silver-list@eskimo.com > From: Reid Smith > Subject: Re: Money... > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >M. G. Devour wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> Just so everyone understands, the request for contributions you got > >> from Reid is one that I have approved of. He and Jim Einert are > >> getting set up to be our resident microscopists and are going to be > >> of great value to the whole program. > > > Would it be helpful if their address's were made known? I don't think > >I ever seen them. > > Here's mine: > > Reid Smith > 1407 N. Glendale > Marion, IL 62959 > >Thank you all for understanding my situation and helping. > > Take Care > > Reid > An here is mine as well! Jim Einert P.O. Box 10 Ozone, AR 72854 Thank everyone for being willing to share to further the knowledge of CS and for helping Reid and I to be able to afford to continue our research. Take Care! Jim -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Something Special!!
Jim wrote: > I don't know about anyone else, but I did enjoy that story. Sat here > and cried my eyes out!!! Jim Me too. Hard not to if you can imagine being in those parent's shoes with one of your own. Mike [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Colliodal Silver as related to Rife Treatment [from Jim Bake
FYI Chris Gupta On 30 Jul 98 at 21:15, fr...@mks.com (Fred Walter) wrote: > >From: "Chris McFarlane" > >Allow me to urge caution with colloidal silver. CS destroys enzyme activity; > >supplemental enzymes (preferably injected) will be very important. My own > >experience also demonstrated that CS does burn skin tissues, during prolonged > >exposure/tissue contact. This would then indicate that the gastrointestinal > >tract and stomach lining will be harmed by prolonged use of CSilver. I have > >found CS useful for short term uses; as indeed hospitals do -- for certain > >wound dressings. > > It sounds like you have colloidal silver and hydrogen peroxide mixed up. > When you put "CS" onto your skin, do little bubbles form? Yes, it could seem like that. It was indeed CS that produced the skin burn, but only after prolonged exposure. Cotton wool _repeatedly_ soaked in CS and held on the area over about two weeks. Anyone can try this with a cotton swab plastered to their hand, and repeatedly soaked in CS, for about two weeks. This is probably equivalent to regularly drinking CS. I've not noticed bubbles forming, but perhaps microscopic examination over the 2 week period would reveal something of that nature. Destruction of enzymes by silver molecules was indicated in one of Roger Cathey's substantial papers on enzyme therapy; which also seems consistent with the skin burn i've experienced. Indeed, the beneficial action of silver on bacteria is probably the same action which destroys enzymes. Do a word search on silver in Roger's papers to confirm Roger's comment; though as mentioned my own experience seems to also confirm the comment. Chris -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Something Special!!
> From: "Marsha Hallett" > To: > Subject: Re: Something Special!! > Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:59:52 -0700 > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Dear List, Oops I thought I was sending Bob an email, not the whole list, > sorry... > Marsha > (Good story anyway, huh?? :o) > > I don't know about anyone else, but I did enjoy that story. Sat here and cried my eyes out!!! Jim > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Colliodal Silver as related to Rife Treatment [from Jim Bake
A more complete qoute - FYI Chris Gupta [snip] Allow me to urge caution with colloidal silver. CS destroys enzyme activity; supplemental enzymes (preferably injected) will be very important. My own experience also demonstrated that CS does burn skin tissues, during prolonged exposure/tissue contact. This would then indicate that the gastrointestinal tract and stomach lining will be harmed by prolonged use of CSilver. I have found CS useful for short term uses; as indeed hospitals do -- for certain wound dressings. Though, using CS, my minor but persistent tinea condition was in remission for a time, the condition returned with a vengeance. My experience indicates, and personal view is, that CS is not a cure all; and very probably has significant problems during prolonged use. Enzyme therapy is quite probably a useful alternative adjunct, along with supplemental amino acids and plant based minerals. Chris On 30 Jul 98 at 6:12, w4...@aol.com wrote: > Rifers, > > Because Don T. has recommended to me to use subject, along with R/B/T; I > hope this query isn't off topic for this list. > > Dr. Rife said that cancer was caused by a virus. His treatment involved the > killing of the "BX virus", which terminated the cancer. If I have > understood this correctly, and Rife is correct; it seems that CS would > also, on its own, decrease cancer in the body. I understand CS is a > non-specific killer of virus and bacteria, of all types. > > So, is some of the "de-tox" reaction that I may be getting, due to CS > directly? > > If I were a good researcher, I would do only one thing at a time. I am > more interested in being a successful cancer survivor. > > Jim -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Rife Conference Reminder
-Original Message- From: Don Tunney To: rif...@majordomo.net Date: Thursday, July 30, 1998 11:01 AM Subject: Rife Conference Reminder >1998 International Rife Technology Conference > >Details are at >http://www.kalamark.com/rife_conference/ > >PLEASE PASS THIS ONTO OTHER LISTS THAT YOU BELIEVE MAY BE INTERESTED. > >The 15th of August is the cut off date for EARLY registration. >EARLY REGISTRATION rewards you with a reduced admission cost. >Take advantage of the savings. Phone Gary and Lucille now. Their number > >For those coming to the Conference and arriving by commercial airline >BOOK your flight right into Comox and do it at least 4 weeks ahead of your >actual travel dates. This usually assures you of substantially reduced airfares. > >Last year a number of attendees flew to Vancouver International then purchased the >shuttle flight into Comox. The cost was around $100 more than what it would have >been if the two flights had been booked together. > >If you are flying in let us know and you will be met at the airport >and taken to your accommodation. > >It is also most important that attendees make their reservations for accommodation soon. >Details are at the Conference Web site stated above. USE the 1-800 numbers. > >Some display table space is available. Please don't leave this until the last minute >if you are wanting to show your wares. > >ATTENDEE NAMES WILL STILL BE KEPT CONFIDENTIAL. Name tags will show >first names with nearest large city to where you reside. Guest speaker names >will be identified in full. > >My best to you all >Don Tunney > > > > >
Re: Followup to PPM techniques
Bruce wrote: > A thought on filtering these charged silver particles; will charged > ions of silver tend to be attracted to the filter matrix, even when > small enough to pass otherwise, because of their charge? > > A suggested experiment: > > Take your average batch of CS just after production, test it with a > TDS1 or similar, then run it through the filter you're now using > (coffee filters for most of us) and then retest with the TDS1... > > Is there a drop in the reading? If so, is this drop really > reflecting a filtering out of coarse particles, or is it caused by > charged particles being attracted to the filter media, and being > held there? Try filtering the same batch again in a new filter? See if the ppm reading drops again by a similar or somewhat smaller amount. Other than filter inefficiency, there shouldn't be much to remove on the second pass. Also, try two different volumes to test, different by a factor of two. If it's an effect of the filter surface area adsorbing particles the smaller sample will see a larger drop in ppm than the bigger sample, since the rest of the CS in the bigger sample will go through essentially unfiltered after the surface saturates. (If that's not clear, don't worry. It's pretty murky to me too!) I think these *might* be valid tests. Just guessing at this point. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Research on CS
Marsha Hallett, Please, What's Melaleuca? Take care, "smile and watch for the birdies". Douglas Haack, Sydney -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Columbus, Ohio
In need of a RR/RB device in Columbus Ohio. Advanced uterine cancer - metastasizing. Doctors have given up on her. Thank you, Carl -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Something Special!!
Marsha Hallett, thanks for this great story about the "birdies" you sure made my day!! Take care and "watch for the birdies" Douglas Haack, Sydney -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: Correction to formula for resolution of light microscope
> From: "Jeffrey La Favre" > To:"Silver List" > Subject: Correction to formula for resolution of light microscope > Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 23:31:35 -0400 > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com Hi Jeff, If I got this right, a good light microscope will "see" down to 0.2 microns, and, would a darkfield "see" even better? Maybe down to 0.1 micron or less? Sounds like were getting close to seeing what we need to see! Thanks for the math! Jim > In double checking my message I discovered an error in the resolution > formula. The correct formula is given below: > > R = wavelength/ (2)(numerical aperture) > > Then the resolution would be: > > R = 0.5 microns/ (2)(1.3) = 0.2 microns > > Therefore, the smallest particle that can be measured directly by a good > light microscope is about 0.2 microns in diameter. > > Sorry for the error in my first message. Hope I have it correct this time! > > Jeff La Favre > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
