Re: [SLUG] Firewalls
To add to this, and looking at it from a few steps back, one can summarize the base functionality of a firewall as something which "sits in between various areas of a network (or networks) with differing levels of trust and enforces the semantics of these levels". //umar. > A firewall is not so much a product or a feature as an architecture. You can > build a firewall on one system, or you can build it out of a number of > systems. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Backup!, was Hard Drives
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Friday 14 Feb 2003 3:20 pm, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: > Use the -p option to tar to preserve stuff.. there's a few more options in > the tar manpage that do all sorts of preserving permissions, owners, types, > etc. My understanding is that is only for extraction and not for creating the archive. That information is saved anyway, check it with "tar tvf foo.tar". Chris - -- Chris SamuelWollongong, NSW -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBPkx0dI1yjaOTJg85AQHyEwf9FqCf5d7lUd7DfGg+xvPIf5d8Sz2rZ4NQ fRPJeaN2mr/I01wCg5xK/De7CDlI9rHjLhaczcDUQtHH/EkTd518RpoMdjxzpLEM oKGiAF6r0xYM4lQsPEZyTgOkqqvKN04NGCAT1XX2oEWlyABkoxGt9qsrwl8ik16G aOW1OJz8gImvObEP6xAfFURqKNBJw1SbEsGhxpcwahqY3hiCnwtUCsL1QtQ3OIYw P9hLz8om/2UCmBzZeybNjb7kXAzZhMQs9mGbzWioyMDQT3zhTZnl/C1nRRMxo3jP W5QO2g2zS9gEWkvOAIfTmi12FmMDyqqPVH5URgr46nif74bxd4IfXw== =SG5a -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Firewalls
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Friday 14 Feb 2003 11:47 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I've been using straight iptables rules for firewalling. I'm educated in > security, and am wondering how firewall rules applied straight to the > kernel via iptables/netfilter compare and contrast with using a firewall > product. A firewall is not so much a product or a feature as an architecture. You can build a firewall on one system, or you can build it out of a number of systems. A firewall is usually made up of a packet filter of some sort (either stateful or stateless, it used to be the latter, usually the former these days) and a collection of proxies and services. These days you can add an IDS of some sort on top of that as well. The idea is that as many protocols as possible are forced to be proxied through the firewall system. These proxies are intended to constrain the protocol being transmitted to sane values, to control who can talk to who, to force extra authentication, etc. So, for instance, a typical firewall would have proxies for HTTP, FTP, SMTP, Telnet, Real Audio, etc. These could be colocated on the same system, or if you're really paranoid split across systems so a compromise of one would be contained to just that system. Typically things like CyberGuard and Gauntlet combine all of these features onto one box, but people have built good firewalls with screening routers and some PC's to run as the proxies. cheers! Chris - -- Chris SamuelWollongong, NSW -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBPkx0H41yjaOTJg85AQEJGAf+PtaDs+PV2oub5qX5nfk6s/MAP5BoolVV js/4GPOUdKiHKKL1ZL3zX7dCFgDIr1aQ+n6uVpKhknqpS7Aaw09Imvg0PKjFIOUV fxxW97tO03ZFK10aSYNEjXl0s88Egp47tGtItdl8WcqVDGX2Q1gPS0x4sF8h83xo Plp6BvNv51exP9c0ACBBajtYuf+tHi553gS+f1fThE1yGAt3gpcmsCdgAct5TeaH xcJ+fxjflMBZHjBXYFhWeY1Oe9KhBE5R2z2ufvYFH5NoIIjD4bFJ8RtZNI0fU1yI kRxOQqziV4z7m0RxTv7QRLugHnWN6fqdxswt6tyOuh0A7W99AljaQw== =BUKH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hard Drives
> > GR> RAID is not backup. RAID adds disk redundancy, no more. > > > > Raid can also do mirroring... or any combination of a lot of things, > > depending on the number of disks, the way you partition etc... > > That has nothing to do with backup though. It's 100% about disk redundancy, > and that is all RAID does. That was a bit of a sweeping statement. In context it was correct, but RAID can serve other purposes -> RAID-0 (stripe) doesn't give you any redundancy at all, but can crank up your throughput. RAID-5 gives you a nice boost for reads as well as redundancy, etc. That said, no one I know is insane enough to run RAID-0 -> RAID-0+1 (with redundancy) makes a lot more sense. - Jeff -- Wars end, love lasts. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Backup!, was Hard Drives
On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, David wrote: > I'm currently using CD's for backup. Has anyone any experience using DVD > for the same purpose? Is there any way to get around tar'ing so that > permissions are properly preserved on CD/DVD? Is there any reason that DVD > is a bad idea? Simple. Lack of standards for data DVD's There's DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD-ROM, DVD+R, DVD+RW, DVD-RAM and probably another one I can't remember. There's one drive by Sony which does multiple - but not all - variants SONY DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW DRU-500A Write DVD-R 4x DVD-RW2x DVD+R 2.4x DVD+RW 2.4x CD-R 24x Read DVD 8x CD 32x Buffer 8192kb (Burn-Proof) That does what *appear* to be the 4 main DVD "standards", but who knows if they're going to win out? DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re[2]: [SLUG] Hard Drives
On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, evilbunny wrote: > Hello Graeme, > > >> The moral of this story is: backup with RAID is better than RAID without > >> backup.. > > GR> RAID is not backup. RAID adds disk redundancy, no more. > > Raid can also do mirroring... or any combination of a lot of things, > depending on the number of disks, the way you partition etc... No, all RAID does is provide disk redundancy whether through disk mirroring or disk spanning volumes. The acronym stands for "Redundant array of inexpensive disks". Whatever RAID you choose is some form of disk redundancy. Anyway the point is that RAID in any shape or form is not "backup". This is a common misconception that's worth taking time to dispell. Backup should be considered quite separately from RAID. -=-=-==-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Graeme Robinson - Graenet consulting www.graenet.com - internet solutions -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==---=-=--=-=-= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hard Drives
> GR> RAID is not backup. RAID adds disk redundancy, no more. > > Raid can also do mirroring... or any combination of a lot of things, > depending on the number of disks, the way you partition etc... That has nothing to do with backup though. It's 100% about disk redundancy, and that is all RAID does. - Jeff -- Is Murphy's Law constitutional? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re[2]: [SLUG] Hard Drives
Hello Graeme, >> The moral of this story is: backup with RAID is better than RAID without >> backup.. GR> RAID is not backup. RAID adds disk redundancy, no more. Raid can also do mirroring... or any combination of a lot of things, depending on the number of disks, the way you partition etc... -- Best regards, evilbunnymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lord Stanley's address correction: Broad & Pattison http://www.cacert.org - Free Security Certificates http://www.nodedb.com - Think globally, network locally http://www.sydneywireless.com - Telecommunications Freedom smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [SLUG] Backup!, was Hard Drives
This one time, at band camp, David wrote: >for the same purpose? Is there any way to get around tar'ing so that >permissions are properly preserved on CD/DVD? Is there any reason that DVD Use the -p option to tar to preserve stuff.. there's a few more options in the tar manpage that do all sorts of preserving permissions, owners, types, etc. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hard Drives
On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, David wrote: > The moral of this story is: backup with RAID is better than RAID without > backup.. RAID is not backup. RAID adds disk redundancy, no more. -=-=-==-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Graeme Robinson - Graenet consulting www.graenet.com - internet solutions -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==---=-=--=-=-= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Top Posting [Was: Hard Drives]
> And, BTW, Jon - top posting sucks. :-) :-) A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? - Nick Moffitt - Jeff -- "The plural of lego is legouch, from when you tread on those plural on the floor in bare feet." - Telsa Gwynne -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hard Drives
On 13 Feb 2003, Jon Biddell wrote: > Bit expensive - check the prices on www.programmersparadise.com.au - I > think that size is about $153. > > Jon > > > OK so I am getting a new harddrive (as a second HD) from my local PC store, and > > am thinking of a 40gb (or 60gb) Seagate 7200rpm 3y for $179.00, what do people > > think, and what are their experiences. Or go to the North Rocks computer market on Sunday - where I got an 80gig, 7200 RPM drive for $180. And, BTW, Jon - top posting sucks. :-) :-) DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Backup!, was Hard Drives
As far as I am aware, yes... Take a look at www.programmersparadise.com.au, they have it on their front page... Jon > On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 01:33:58PM +1100, Jon Biddell wrote: > > If you want to go DVD, you could look at a Sony DRU500A - writes ALL > > formats (+-R/RW) > > Does it run under linux ok? For all formats? > > Matt > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ > More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug > -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] In need of servers
Hello slug, Slightly not about linux, but I'm currently trying to source reasonably priced 1RU servers in Sydney (which will run debian) however I don't seem to be able to get any anymore for less then about $2.5k to $3k... They will be primarily used for web and email serving, and only needs to be a bare minimum P3 or equiv, in a 1 RU case with 1/2 gig of ram and 2 x 20+ IDE drives... looking to pay about ~$2k... If anyone knows of any can you please let me know, this isn't a 1 off and we will be looking to purchase at least 1 every 1 to 2 months... Initially looking to purchase 2, most likely 3 of them... -- Best regards, evilbunny mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Has anyone seen the aardvark lately. http://www.cacert.org - Free Security Certificates http://www.nodedb.com - Think globally, network locally http://www.sydneywireless.com - Telecommunications Freedom -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Backup!, was Hard Drives
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 01:33:58PM +1100, Jon Biddell wrote: > If you want to go DVD, you could look at a Sony DRU500A - writes ALL > formats (+-R/RW) Does it run under linux ok? For all formats? Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Backup!, was Hard Drives
If you want to go DVD, you could look at a Sony DRU500A - writes ALL
formats (+-R/RW)
Jon
> David wrote:
>
> ...snip..
>
> >Is there any reason that DVD is a bad idea?
>
> My current understanding is that there isn't a common DVD writer
> standard at the moment. So you are going to be bound to a proprietary
> DVD writer, which if it looses out and disappears from the means that
> your backups are only as good as your device lives.
>
> Stick to Cd for the really important stuff, especially stuff you might
> want to access in 10 years+. Use a DVD for bulk if you like.
>
> --
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Re: [SLUG] make menuconfig & ncurses
See: http://info.ccone.at/INFO/Mail-Archives/redhat/Dec-2002/msg00514.html Actually my /etc/sysconfig/i18n now looks like: LANG="en_US" SUPPORTED="en_US:en:pt_BR:pt" SYSFONT="iso01.16" #LANG="en_AU.UTF-8" #SUPPORTED="en_AU.UTF-8:en_AU:en:en_US.UTF-8:en_US:en" #SYSFONT="latarcyrheb-sun16" HTH On Friday 14 February 2003 09:18, Daniel Harper wrote: > I have just installed Redhat 8.0 professional on a Dell PowerServer, > however I am having problems with make menuconfig. > > Now make menuconfig works, however what is displayed is a jumbled mess, and > the selection displays (The thing in the <*>) aren't being displayed > properly. > > Any ideas? A ncurses problem or perhaps some colour or display settings??? > > Any help would be appreciated as redhat technical support won't help as it > is not classified as a 'installation support' problem. > > Daniel -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] make menuconfig & ncurses
I have just installed Redhat 8.0 professional on a Dell PowerServer, however I am having problems with make menuconfig. Now make menuconfig works, however what is displayed is a jumbled mess, and the selection displays (The thing in the <*>) aren't being displayed properly. Any ideas? A ncurses problem or perhaps some colour or display settings??? Any help would be appreciated as redhat technical support won't help as it is not classified as a 'installation support' problem. Daniel -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] make menuconfig & ncurses
Running it from a console (no X installed) Turns out that if I ssh using putty it works sort of fine. Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ian Wienand Sent: Friday, 14 February 2003 11:09 AM To: Daniel Harper Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] make menuconfig & ncurses On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 09:18:38AM +1100, Daniel Harper wrote: > > I have just installed Redhat 8.0 professional on a Dell PowerServer, however > I am having problems with make menuconfig. > > Now make menuconfig works, however what is displayed is a jumbled mess, and > the selection displays (The thing in the <*>) aren't being displayed > properly. > > Any ideas? A ncurses problem or perhaps some colour or display settings??? are you running this from a console or on a x terminal window? if it's a terminal window, do you have some wacky font selected that isn't fixed width or has some other strange properties? try running it from just a plain "xterm" (i.e. type xterm at your prompt and run in that) or run it on a console (ctrl-alt-f1 usually to switch). -i [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: Backup!, was Hard Drives
David wrote:
...snip..
>Is there any reason that DVD is a bad idea?
My current understanding is that there isn't a common DVD writer
standard at the moment. So you are going to be bound to a proprietary
DVD writer, which if it looses out and disappears from the means that
your backups are only as good as your device lives.
Stick to Cd for the really important stuff, especially stuff you might
want to access in 10 years+. Use a DVD for bulk if you like.
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[SLUG] Firewalls
G'day all, I've noticed that there are a number of firewall products discussed on this list. I've been using straight iptables rules for firewalling. I'm educated in security, and am wondering how firewall rules applied straight to the kernel via iptables/netfilter compare and contrast with using a firewall product. All the best. Mike --- Michael S. E. Kraus Administration Capital Holdings Group (NSW) Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (02) 9955 8000 fax (02) 9955 8144 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] For that guy that asked about firewall products on Linux
On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 11:16, Jon Biddell wrote:
And if you download Bering from the leaf.sourceforge.net site you have
an excellent Shorewall-based one floppy firewall that runs neat on an
old 486.
> Hey - download the "two interfaces" example, uncomment ONE line in the
> 'rules' files, and you have a fully functional firewall...
>
> So it's not PERFECT, but it's a damn sight better than what a lot of
> people have been using, like ZoneAlarm...:-(
>
> And it's a LOT easier to understand than iptables for newbies and me
> !!!
>
> > On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Jon Biddell wrote:
> >
> > > Also take a look at www.shorewall.net - and the config file comments...
> >
> > I can vouch for that one - I just installed Mandrake 9 {off an APC disk -
> > sue me} which comes with Shorewall installed - I have to say I'm damn
> > impressed with its flexibility and versatility.
> >
> > I'm a little less than impressed with its documentation as supplied, but I
> > managed to make it work anyway. :-)
> >
> > DaZZa
> >
> >
>
>
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[SLUG] Backup!, was Hard Drives
I'm currently using CD's for backup. Has anyone any experience using DVD
for the same purpose? Is there any way to get around tar'ing so that
permissions are properly preserved on CD/DVD? Is there any reason that DVD
is a bad idea?
On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, Terry Collins wrote:
> Adam W wrote:
>
> >
> > Then again - you may find your tapes are buggered and cant retrieve any
> > data off that either!
>
> Shhez People! It is a standard part of admin work to regularly test your
> backup is working. You should run a restore at least monthly.
>
>
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RE: [SLUG] For that guy that asked about firewall products on Linux
Hey - download the "two interfaces" example, uncomment ONE line in the
'rules' files, and you have a fully functional firewall...
So it's not PERFECT, but it's a damn sight better than what a lot of
people have been using, like ZoneAlarm...:-(
And it's a LOT easier to understand than iptables for newbies and me
!!!
> On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Jon Biddell wrote:
>
> > Also take a look at www.shorewall.net - and the config file comments...
>
> I can vouch for that one - I just installed Mandrake 9 {off an APC disk -
> sue me} which comes with Shorewall installed - I have to say I'm damn
> impressed with its flexibility and versatility.
>
> I'm a little less than impressed with its documentation as supplied, but I
> managed to make it work anyway. :-)
>
> DaZZa
>
>
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Re: [SLUG] make menuconfig & ncurses
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 09:18:38AM +1100, Daniel Harper wrote: > > I have just installed Redhat 8.0 professional on a Dell PowerServer, however > I am having problems with make menuconfig. > > Now make menuconfig works, however what is displayed is a jumbled mess, and > the selection displays (The thing in the <*>) aren't being displayed > properly. > > Any ideas? A ncurses problem or perhaps some colour or display settings??? are you running this from a console or on a x terminal window? if it's a terminal window, do you have some wacky font selected that isn't fixed width or has some other strange properties? try running it from just a plain "xterm" (i.e. type xterm at your prompt and run in that) or run it on a console (ctrl-alt-f1 usually to switch). -i [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] clicky clicky firewalls
On 9 Feb 2003, James Gregory wrote: > I was just asked for recommendations of a good linux distro to run as a > router/firewall. The user in question wants a gui type thing to > configure it with. He has been using IPCop, and says it has some > shortcomings. I was a little surprised that the shortcomings he cited, > so I suspect it's actually the UI that is bad. > > Annnyway, I'm looking for something I can suggest to him which will > setup a good iptables firewall and is clicky. Can be a firewall app that > runs on another distro or a complete distro, I don't really mind. Install redhat and buy Checkpoint Firewall1. Remote administration via GUI - even from WindoZe workstations. DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] For that guy that asked about firewall products on Linux
On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Jon Biddell wrote:
> Also take a look at www.shorewall.net - and the config file comments...
I can vouch for that one - I just installed Mandrake 9 {off an APC disk -
sue me} which comes with Shorewall installed - I have to say I'm damn
impressed with its flexibility and versatility.
I'm a little less than impressed with its documentation as supplied, but I
managed to make it work anyway. :-)
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Re: [SLUG] Hard Drives
Adam W wrote:
>
> Then again - you may find your tapes are buggered and cant retrieve any
> data off that either!
Shhez People! It is a standard part of admin work to regularly test your
backup is working. You should run a restore at least monthly.
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Re: [SLUG] Hard Drives
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 10:14:19AM +1100, Adam W wrote: > > > > The moral of this story is: backup with RAID is better than RAID > > > without backup. > > > > ITYM backup *without* RAID is better than RAID without backup. > > Although, it does protect you from a blown motor in one of the drives - > without losing a day/week/months data. True, but at least you can recover most of your data. A corrupted RAID array without backups means you're stuffed. RAID increases availability but reduces reliability. > Then again - you may find your tapes are buggered and cant retrieve any > data off that either! That's why you test them regularly. Cheers, John -- Doesn't RAID stand for Random Array of Incompatible Drives? -- Joe Zeff -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hard Drives
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Friday 14 Feb 2003 10:09 am, John Clarke wrote: > ITYM backup *without* RAID is better than RAID without backup. Agreed. And backup *with* RAID'ed SCSI disks is better still. Jon, I am *so* thankful for that Netstrada of yours! cheers, Chris - -- Chris SamuelWollongong, NSW -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBPkwoZ41yjaOTJg85AQE4fggAut93Cr7A41JMMn/PJlzw8On4OH+BMyVY ct+IHMRKy0M5CfeUJ4VjKFCHHz112347dIffxsSTfCmDwqwXlS8VULxJN/hIXUB6 0BHCViCigFIezeDQPQUqn2YBdMWVW5tgt1h8Nv7BD2M9x2oLlQeP3COS1udPDXiV AmitTFWQy6+bBfv1DLANtPz9oo4VYzWLRjK65dS/1VFSc4P4W4agLcxrniuUUkd2 aQNnfLcTgiseVK9mLG7Cq5O+/uEOd/3RLfriroojexQNIk8Xjw2AR8DRkhTYnMb1 Ero2MEngZfQYfI+QCjJoCl7QEJOCSEb98Bo6CXVBkjl/vJAxCrHrBQ== =bF9B -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Hard Drives
> > The moral of this story is: backup with RAID is better than RAID > > without backup. > > ITYM backup *without* RAID is better than RAID without backup. Although, it does protect you from a blown motor in one of the drives - without losing a day/week/months data. Then again - you may find your tapes are buggered and cant retrieve any data off that either! I guess it all depends how "expensive" your data is. Cheers! AW. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hard Drives
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 06:24:00PM +1100, David wrote: > I went to the trouble of installing a hardware RAID card (anyone want to > buy it?). When the data on one drive was corrupted by a drive fault, the > other drive dutifully mirrored it so I had TWO corrupted sets of data. Software RAID will do that too. > The moral of this story is: backup with RAID is better than RAID without > backup. ITYM backup *without* RAID is better than RAID without backup. Cheers, John -- I expect them to say "the data is on a RAID, therefore you don't need backups". Because they are all fucking idiots. -- Paul Tomblin -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] make menuconfig & ncurses
I have just installed Redhat 8.0 professional on a Dell PowerServer, however I am having problems with make menuconfig. Now make menuconfig works, however what is displayed is a jumbled mess, and the selection displays (The thing in the <*>) aren't being displayed properly. Any ideas? A ncurses problem or perhaps some colour or display settings??? Any help would be appreciated as redhat technical support won't help as it is not classified as a 'installation support' problem. Daniel -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] apt failure
Adam, Not sure if this will help, but try setting "http_proxy" and/or "ftp_proxy" to your gateway address (or ip.ip.ip.ip:port if you do actually have a proxy server on your network) - it fixed the same problem I was having behind a NAT'ing firewall. In other words: bash/korn/sh # export http_proxy=123.123.123.123 # export ftp_proxy=123.123.123.123 csh/tcsh # setenv http_proxy 123.123.123.123 # setenv ftp_proxy 123.123.123.123 Where 123.123.123.123 is your default gateway. If this works, maybe add it to root's profile. Other than this try "man sources.list" and "man apt" as there are _heaps_ of configuration options you can specify for apt to work with all sorts of weird network environments (like a place I was doing some consultancy for where http/https MUST go via a proxy on port 8080 but ftp goes via a different proxy on port 3128!). Cheers, James > -Original Message- > From: Adam Hewitt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, 13 February 2003 8:59 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [SLUG] apt failure > > > Hi All, > > I have tried over the last few weeks to install various packages from > unstable and although some packages download, most of them give me the > following errors: > > Err http://ftp.iinet.net.au unstable/main libc6-dev 2.3.1-11 > 404 Not Found > Err http://ftp.iinet.net.au unstable/main locales 2.3.1-11 > 404 Not Found > Err http://ftp.iinet.net.au unstable/main libc6 2.3.1-11 > 404 Not Found > Err http://ftp.iinet.net.au unstable/main gnome-libs-data 1.4.2-11 > 404 Not Found > Err http://ftp.iinet.net.au unstable/main libgnome-pilot1 0.1.71-5 > 404 Not Found > Err http://ftp.iinet.net.au unstable/main libgnomeui32 1.4.2-11 > 404 Not Found > Err http://ftp.iinet.net.au unstable/main libpisock8 0.11.7-2 > 404 Not Found > Err http://ftp.iinet.net.au unstable/main libpisync0 0.11.7-2 > 404 Not Found > Err http://ftp.iinet.net.au unstable/main gnome-pilot 0.1.71-5 > 404 Not Found > Failed to fetch > http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6- dev_2.3.1-11_i386.deb 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/locales_2.3.1-11_all.deb 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.3.1-11_i386.deb 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/pool/main/g/gnome-libs/gnome-libs-data_1.4.2-11_all.deb 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/pool/main/g/gnome-pilot/libgnome-pilot1_0.1.71-5_i386.deb 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/pool/main/g/gnome-libs/libgnomeui32_1.4.2-11_i386.deb 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/pool/main/p/pilot-link/libpisock8_0.11.7-2_i386.deb 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/pool/main/p/pilot-link/libpisync0_0.11.7-2_i386.deb 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/pool/main/g/gnome-pilot/gnome-pilot_0.1.71-5_i386.deb 404 Not Found I have tried running 'apt-get update' heaps of times, and even changed my source list to point to another server (ftp.au.debian.org or whatever it is) and they were still failing...Does anyone know what the hell it could be?? Cheers, Adam. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] apt failure
> "Adam" == Adam Hewitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Adam> Hi All, I have tried over the last few weeks to install various Adam> packages from unstable and although some packages download, most Adam> of them give me the following errors: This happens when the mirror is not quite up-to-date. The Packages files that say what *should* be there have been mirrored, but the .debs they refer to aren't there yet. As the various mirrors are often broken in different ways, the best plan is to have more choices... I suggest ftp.aarnet.edu.au for a more-or-less fast local mirror and mirror.cse.unsw.edu.au if you're near (in network terms) UNSW. deb ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/debian unstable main non-free contrib deb ftp://mirror.cse.unsw.edu.au/debian unstable contrib main non-free You can have more than one deb line in /etc/apt/sources.list -- apt-get tries each, if the first one gives a 404 it just tries the next. Peter C -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Hard Drives
At 16:54 13/02/2003, David wrote: yes.. but what about reliability? is there a difference? I need two new drives, but I much prefer reliability to size (I'm told that size isn't everything ;-) David I've got two of those Seagate drives (60GB). They're a little slower than, say, the newest Western Digital's, but they're very quiet and seem to be quite reliable. I also put an 80GB one into a friend's system, and it also seems to quite reliable. Of course, there's no way it compares to a SCSI drive. If you've got the money, it's always the way to go. Software RAID1 (mirror) is also great, but, the likelihood of failure is a small amount higher than some would have you believe -- a pair of drives from the same batch are more likely to fail with the same problem, at the same time than two drives purchased independently. (moral: always keep backups) Cheers, Matt P.S. WD is supposed to be releasing a 10,000rpm IDE drive sometime later this month. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] apt failure
Hi All, I have tried over the last few weeks to install various packages from unstable and although some packages download, most of them give me the following errors: Err http://ftp.iinet.net.au unstable/main libc6-dev 2.3.1-11 404 Not Found Err http://ftp.iinet.net.au unstable/main locales 2.3.1-11 404 Not Found Err http://ftp.iinet.net.au unstable/main libc6 2.3.1-11 404 Not Found Err http://ftp.iinet.net.au unstable/main gnome-libs-data 1.4.2-11 404 Not Found Err http://ftp.iinet.net.au unstable/main libgnome-pilot1 0.1.71-5 404 Not Found Err http://ftp.iinet.net.au unstable/main libgnomeui32 1.4.2-11 404 Not Found Err http://ftp.iinet.net.au unstable/main libpisock8 0.11.7-2 404 Not Found Err http://ftp.iinet.net.au unstable/main libpisync0 0.11.7-2 404 Not Found Err http://ftp.iinet.net.au unstable/main gnome-pilot 0.1.71-5 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6-dev_2.3.1-11_i386.deb 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/locales_2.3.1-11_all.deb 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.3.1-11_i386.deb 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/pool/main/g/gnome-libs/gnome-libs-data_1.4.2-11_all.deb 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/pool/main/g/gnome-pilot/libgnome-pilot1_0.1.71-5_i386.deb 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/pool/main/g/gnome-libs/libgnomeui32_1.4.2-11_i386.deb 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/pool/main/p/pilot-link/libpisock8_0.11.7-2_i386.deb 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/pool/main/p/pilot-link/libpisync0_0.11.7-2_i386.deb 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/pool/main/g/gnome-pilot/gnome-pilot_0.1.71-5_i386.deb 404 Not Found I have tried running 'apt-get update' heaps of times, and even changed my source list to point to another server (ftp.au.debian.org or whatever it is) and they were still failing...Does anyone know what the hell it could be?? Cheers, Adam. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Autorepeat broken after suspend
I replied of list before, But ill relate my problems now, I remeber a little bit more now. I was using a toshiba laptop last year whilst I was on a contract job. I was running redhat 7.3 and after installing gnome 2 through ximian desktop. I found the described problem. I also installed redhat 8.0 on the machine and still had the problem. I found that I could make it go away by restarting the xserver (this happens when you logout). I also found that some times, whilst messing with the gnome-controlcenter's controls for key repeats I could get it working again (some times) or messing with the setting for key repeat with gconf-editor. I had to give up the laptop untill I figured it out. I dont think I saw the problem whilst using kde on the machine. I would be willing to be its gnome. Ben de Luca - Original Message - From: "Myles Byrne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Autorepeat broken after suspend > On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 15:31, Bruce Badger wrote: > > > Ben de Luca suggested that fiddling with the Repeat Keys options in the > > Keyboard Preferences dialog fixed a similar problem for him in the > > past. It didn't work for me though. Have you tried that? > > what dialog? > > > I'm wondering at what level this is a problem. e.g. IBM hardware, Video > > card driver, X, Metacity, Gnome ... > > I don't know but repeat keys works for me from the login screen (gdm) if > i log out after suspend. > > > It's a nuisance, that's for sure. > > Yeah I had just given up and learnt to hit the backspace key really fast > :) > > -- > Myles Byrne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > ByrneWebServices > > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ > More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug > -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
