Re: SSL + static IP with an on-rev account

[Phil Davis]

This also works:
http://marksmith.on-rev.com/revstuff/files/

Phil Davis


On 2/2/14, 2:42 PM, PystCat wrote:

The link worked.


On Feb 2, 2014, at 4:44 PM, stephen barncard  
wrote:

crap. Bad link.

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On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 1:42 PM, stephen barncard <
stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com> wrote:


On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 12:45 PM, PystCat  wrote:

Has anyone used Amazon's cloud storage with LiveCode...?  I would be
interested in hearing any success(?) or fail(?) stories...


the 'other' and 'late' Mark Smith wrote a library just for that purpose a
few years ago. One of the list members is hosting it somewhere….

here you go..


http://www.runrevplanet.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=148:webpage-of-the-month-mark-smiths-livecode-libraries&catid=56:website-of-the-month&Itemid=118

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Re: Crowd Funding Enhancements

[Kay C Lan]

On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 12:19 AM, Kevin Miller  wrote:

>
> We're deep into planning for the next phase at the moment. So I'll write
> you guys a more extensive post and/or a newsletter article with an update
> on things within the next couple of weeks.
>
> I always get a kick out of the fact that the CEO crops up on this List
every now and then.

Anyone who's read my previous posts knows I'm into data, lots and lots of
data. I like to find connections between data, display data in new ways,
and help my colleagues visualise data in ways they haven't thought of.

I like info-graphics. If a pictures says a thousand words, a good
info-graphic can answer 10 questions, half of which you didn't think of
until you saw the data.

This is by no means the best I've ever seen, but it's recent (at the bottom
of the page):

http://www.apple.com/30-years/your-first-mac/#tell-us

It saddens me to think that Macs use to be a tool, they did work; but no
longer it seems. Now, I don't have to complain on User Forums that OS X is
morphing into iOS, I see why. I know I don't have to buy my kids
MacBooksanymore, an
iPad will do.

It's too late to start now, but I'm sure it would make for an interesting
info-graphic, one that continually recorded and then displayed the man
hours and Kickstarter £ spent on the various 'areas' that the Runrev team
is focusing on as they move LC forward. I'm sure refactor and unicode would
display as huge blobs. Little, but growing blobs for the various branches
that parallel, then disappear when they are incorporated, or not.

I could imagine info-graphics that told me not only how many man hours and
£ currently spent, but a % estimate of job complete. Names of those
involved as well, as I'm sure it would be a pleasant surprise to see not
just the Runrev team in those blobs, but the names of the many gurus (like
Trevor) who are at the heart of this LC community.

If we all saw the data I'm sure we'd have no questions or complaints; but
then again, we wouldn't have the pleasure of reading Kevin's posts.
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Re: Crowd Funding Enhancements

[stephen barncard]

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 6:30 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> It is fun to see what the team is working on and follow along with features
> you are interested in.
>

A-V -  player  progress! Yes!

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Re: Crowd Funding Enhancements

[Trevor DeVore]

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Richard Gaskin
wrote:

> Kevin Miller wrote:
>
>  Actually its the core refactor / Unicode that was the really tough bit. A
>> long time with heads down and only internal dps so far. But in terms of
>> actual throughput its been massive. The other goals aren't of the same
>> scope and as such aren't as far away as it may seem.
>>
>
> That's very encouraging to hear.  QuickTime replacement and Cocoa have
> been key concerns for many of us.  Very much looking forward to those.


Richard (and others),

I don't know if you have Xcode set up to compile LiveCode or not, but if
you do then you may enjoy following along with the Cocoa project:

https://github.com/runrevmark/livecode/tree/feature-cocoa

I've been building and testing my app as Mark releases updates the cocoa
branch (which is quite regularly). The de-quicktimification has already
begun as well. You can read the progress the is being made in the commit
notes:

https://github.com/runrevmark/livecode/commits/feature-cocoa

It is fun to see what the team is working on and follow along with features
you are interested in.

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Re: Message path question

[Richard Gaskin]

Peter Haworth wrote:

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


All backscript and library handlers are available to all other backscripts
and libraries.


Thanks Richard.

Just to be sure I understand this correctly, I already have a library stack
in place for this application so if I put a "revHookPostSaveStack" handler
into it, it will be found when the rev backscript dispatches that message?


It should.  What happens when you try it?


Also, if I pass the message in my handler, will it be seen by other loaded
libraries with a handler for it?


It should.

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Re: Crowd Funding Enhancements

[Mike Kerner]

monte,
Yes, that's in line with what I was thinking.  I was LESS thinking about
having a generic fund that folks would vote funds out of and more spec'ing
out improvements, and then, etc., as you are suggesting.

As I've been talking with other folks about this, and even a little bit
with Edinburgh, I'm trying to make this something that isn't RR's
responsibility, but rather something that we drive, and they can be a part
of as much as they like (by bidding on things).

Part of the idea was to formalize this process so that it's organized, and
everyone knows where to go when then want to propose having something
happen.  That way, was also will hopefully have more discussion before the
bid spec goes out, and less after we're collecting the funds.


On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:30 PM, Tim Selander wrote:

> Hi Jan,
>
> I have on two occassions (pre-open source and post-open source) downloaded
> and tried Quartam Reports. But both times it fell down for me in trying to
> handle Japanese/UTF8. Can't recall if it was in presenting the data or in
> the editor itself (or, of course, could have been operator error!) but I
> couldn't make it do what I needed...
>
> If the LC of the future makes good on its, 'it just works' goal for UTF8,
> and Quartam Reports followed suite, I would become a happy customer, no
> doubt.
>
> Tim Selander
> Tokyo, Japan
>
>
>
> On 2/11/14 1:29 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> With the right funding, I would consider making Quartam Reports
>> open-source under a dual license.
>> This would obviate the need for a whole new project that has to go
>> through all the same pains I did.
>> Admittedly, things have been quiet on the news front, but I have been
>> preparing two major updates.
>> One brings a series of enhancements to the current version, and the other
>> constitutes a complete rewrite.
>> The point of the rewrite is to bring the report runtime up-to-date with
>> the latest LiveCode features.
>> And to tame the beast that is the report editor which has proven harder
>> to maintain than planned.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Jan Schenkel.
>>
>> =
>> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
>> www.quartam.com
>>
>> =
>> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."
>>  (La Rochefoucauld)
>>
>> 
>> On Mon, 2/10/14, Tim Selander  wrote:
>>
>>   Subject: Re: Crowd Funding Enhancements
>>   To: "How to use LiveCode" 
>>   Date: Monday, February 10, 2014, 7:14 AM
>>
>>   I'm originally from Chicago... so in
>>   the tradition of that great city, I'm stuffing the virtual
>>   ballot box with votes for this one!!
>>
>>   Tim Selander
>>   Tokyo, Japan
>>
>>   On 2/11/14 12:02 AM, Mike Kerner wrote:
>>   > * A real report editor/designer
>>
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Re: Message path question

[Peter Haworth]

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Richard Gaskin
wrote:

> All backscript and library handlers are available to all other backscripts
> and libraries.


Thanks Richard.

Just to be sure I understand this correctly, I already have a library stack
in place for this application so if I put a "revHookPostSaveStack" handler
into it, it will be found when the rev backscript dispatches that message?
 FYI, the dispatch command in question has " to me" in it.  I hope that's
the case since I'd rather not start adding scripts to the IDE stacks.

Also, if I pass the message in my handler, will it be seen by other loaded
libraries with a handler for it?

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Re: Crowd Funding Enhancements

[Tim Selander]

Hi Jan,

I have on two occassions (pre-open source and post-open source) 
downloaded and tried Quartam Reports. But both times it fell down 
for me in trying to handle Japanese/UTF8. Can't recall if it was 
in presenting the data or in the editor itself (or, of course, 
could have been operator error!) but I couldn't make it do what I 
needed...


If the LC of the future makes good on its, 'it just works' goal 
for UTF8, and Quartam Reports followed suite, I would become a 
happy customer, no doubt.


Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan


On 2/11/14 1:29 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote:

Hi all,

With the right funding, I would consider making Quartam Reports open-source 
under a dual license.
This would obviate the need for a whole new project that has to go through all 
the same pains I did.
Admittedly, things have been quiet on the news front, but I have been preparing 
two major updates.
One brings a series of enhancements to the current version, and the other 
constitutes a complete rewrite.
The point of the rewrite is to bring the report runtime up-to-date with the 
latest LiveCode features.
And to tame the beast that is the report editor which has proven harder to 
maintain than planned.

Best regards,

Jan Schenkel.

=
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
www.quartam.com

=
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La 
Rochefoucauld)


On Mon, 2/10/14, Tim Selander  wrote:

  Subject: Re: Crowd Funding Enhancements
  To: "How to use LiveCode" 
  Date: Monday, February 10, 2014, 7:14 AM

  I'm originally from Chicago... so in
  the tradition of that great city, I'm stuffing the virtual
  ballot box with votes for this one!!

  Tim Selander
  Tokyo, Japan

  On 2/11/14 12:02 AM, Mike Kerner wrote:
  > * A real report editor/designer

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Re: Crowd Funding Enhancements

[li...@duckworks.biz]

Vaughn,

I'd be interested in seeing where I could assist.

>> It occurred to me to learn LiveCode a novice or
>> better developer needs a better interface and to add code tracking in the
>> distionary. 


I agree that added features for the dictionary would be valuable, I'd also like 
to see the ability to add multiple code examples to the dictionary to allow 
comparison and evaluation of code techniques.

> I would also have the app able to use a
> very good search feature across any data or fields in the database where
> keywords or phrases can be searched. This would call all elements for any
> dictionary element/s in a selected group to be reviewed.


That sounds very helpful.

I've seen other online references, for Adobe Flex, that allowed editing and 
(limited) execution of code samples in an online environment to allow 
customization and experimentation outside of the project development 
environment.

Maybe that could be possible in On-Rev.com?

Brian Duck
The DuckWorks
bd...@duckworks.biz


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> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 08:20:24 -0700
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> Subject: Re: Crowd Funding Enhancements
> Message-ID:
>   
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Re: Crowd Funding Enhancements

[Richard Gaskin]

Kevin Miller wrote:


Actually its the core refactor / Unicode that was the really tough bit. A
long time with heads down and only internal dps so far. But in terms of
actual throughput its been massive. The other goals aren’t of the same
scope and as such aren’t as far away as it may seem.


That's very encouraging to hear.  QuickTime replacement and Cocoa have 
been key concerns for many of us.  Very much looking forward to those.




We’re deep into planning for the next phase at the moment. So I’ll write
you guys a more extensive post and/or a newsletter article with an update
on things within the next couple of weeks.


That would be most welcome.  While RunRev's external communications have 
been stellar in comparison to closed-source companies, as an open source 
project LiveCode could benefit significantly from regular updates from 
the team.


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Re: repeating string

[Alex Tweedly]

On 10/02/2014 17:51, Devin Asay wrote:

Seems like the most LiveCode-like syntax would be something like:

pad  with  at beginning|end| [for] N 
[times]

So,

pad myvar with space at beginning 4 times

pad fld "foo" with 0 at end 10 times

pad "hello" with "xyz" after char 3 for 2 times --> helxyzxyzlo


While I like the general idea, I don't think that's the *most* LC-like 
syntax.
I don't see any need to invent a new verb "pad"; why not simply 
something like


put  [for N times] 
or
put [N copies of]  

Thus
   put "hello" into myVar
   put "xyz" for 2 times after char 3 of myVar--> helxyzxyzlo
or perhaps
   put 2 copies of "xyz" after char 3 of myVar

Or indeed
   put "abc" & 4 copies of " " & "def" into newVar
to give a value of "abcdef"

-- Alex.


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Re: new way closing a stack in IOS 7

[Gerry Orkin]

Or, for location:

UIBackgroundModes 
 
   location 
  


Gerry


On 11 Feb 2014, at 10:49 am, Gerry Orkin  wrote:

> BTW if you need the app to keep playing sound (or tracking location etc) 
> you'll also need to add:
> 
> UIBackgroundModes
> 
> audio
> 
> 

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Re: Message path question

[Richard Gaskin]

Peter Haworth wrote:


Prowling around the IDE scripts, the revBackScript button of the revLibrary
stack includes:

dispatch "revHookPostSaveStack" to me .

... but there is no such handler in its script.

My understanding of the message path is that since this is in a back
script, the only other place for that message to go is to the engine.  Is
that right?


All backscript and library handlers are available to all other 
backscripts and libraries.


The only time their specific order comes into play is when dealing with 
handlers of the same name in two different scripts. In that case, 
libraries are checked first, and then backscripts, in the order in which 
they were inserted into the message path.


Additionally, "dispatch" has an unusual characteristic that's not likely 
at play here, but worth knowing about:  if a custom message sent with 
dispatch isn't handled, you won't get a "handler not found" error as you 
would with "send".  Instead, the local var "it" will simply contain 
"unhandled".


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Re: new way closing a stack in IOS 7

[Gerry Orkin]

Alain

No it isn't risky. It's been working fine for me for ages. 

BTW if you need the app to keep playing sound (or tracking location etc) you'll 
also need to add:

UIBackgroundModes

audio


...to the plist.

Gerry


On 11 Feb 2014, at 2:13 am, Alain Vezina  wrote:

> I think this solution is a bit risky but I will try it on a test app.

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Re: Crowd Funding Enhancements

[Monte Goulding]

Hi Folks

I haven't read this whole thread so please excuse me if I'm duplicating someone 
else's ideas.

My suggestion would be for RunRev or an interested third party to setup a crowd 
funding site that allowed people to flesh out specs for changes and then offer 
funding for them. So the funding would be against a specific project rather 
than a whole mess of stuff. Now RunRev might not have the resources to do it 
all or might feel it's short sighted to expand their team unless it's a huge 
project. So some community contributor or even a consultant could put their 
hand up to do something once they felt the funding was right (which could be $0 
for lots of things). The process would be multi-step:
- requirements analysis and spec
- RunRev endorsement or back to step 1 based on comments
- funding
- someone agrees to implement it with a time frame (perhaps another endorsement 
by RunRev here???)
- integration
- payment

Some way to re-allocate the funding if things don't work out would be nice. The 
site could also be used to help people wanting to do volunteer contributions to 
spec it out on a wiki page.

It occurs to me that a generic site that offered these features might be 
welcome in the FOSS world???

Plan B: There's nothing stopping someone or a group of someones from engaging a 
third party to implement and contribute something. It's been done already and I 
suspect it's the simplest and fastest way to get what you need.

Cheers

Monte

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Message path question

[Peter Haworth]

Prowling around the IDE scripts, the revBackScript button of the revLibrary
stack includes:

dispatch "revHookPostSaveStack" to me .

... but there is no such handler in its script.

My understanding of the message path is that since this is in a back
script, the only other place for that message to go is to the engine.  Is
that right?

I would like to do something in a handler for that message so just checking
where I need to put it.

Thanks,

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Re: Crowd Funding Enhancements

[Richmond]

On 10/02/14 23:34, Trevor DeVore wrote:

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu <
endern...@keehuna.com> wrote:


On February 10, 2014 at 17:56:39, Andrew Kluthe (and...@ctech.me) wrote:

  Any kind of timelines or updates on any of the stretch goals other than
theming/res
independence would be great. ... it is also the least
important to folks who aren't doing mac or mobile dev.

Example to a pet feature.
These are / should not be that much important even to a seasoned
mac/mobile developer, in my humble opinion.
Using a couple of png's for theming
and 40 lines of pure Livecode script for resizing were
all I needed for 20+ finished projects {published business apps} in the
last two years.


Hi Ender,

It is important to keep in mind that what might be classified as a pet
feature for some is essential for others. I consider myself a fairly
experienced developer and consider resolution independence critical. On the
desktop you cannot make a LiveCode app look correct on retina displays.
Your text will always look fuzzy. If you happen to be playing with the
resolution independence branch of the LiveCode engine on GitHub (the
developer branch includes it now) you will notice a night and day
difference when loading your projects (when loading the project on a retina
laptop).

Windows has similar issues with resolution independence. Changes have to
made to the LiveCode engine itself so that we can have projects look and
behave properly. Based on the number of support emails I get from my
customers I see an upward trend in among my customer base who are using
high-resolution settings on Windows.

For me, lack of high resolution support affects sales of my product (users
with retina displays do not like non-retina compliant apps).

Just another perspective,



Trevor makes an extremely valid point.

A crowd sourced project sourced by mant people all pulling in different 
directions is jus

not going to work.

So; before anything like that a consensus of what should be on the list
has to be arrived at.

I have a particular sore-point about the wat Windows Vista, 7 and 8 
imposes its own fonts in Unicode text fields.


Richmond.

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Re: Crowd Funding Enhancements

[Trevor DeVore]

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu <
endern...@keehuna.com> wrote:

>
> On February 10, 2014 at 17:56:39, Andrew Kluthe (and...@ctech.me) wrote:
>
>  Any kind of timelines or updates on any of the stretch goals other than
> theming/res
> independence would be great. ... it is also the least
> important to folks who aren't doing mac or mobile dev.
>
> Example to a pet feature.
> These are / should not be that much important even to a seasoned
> mac/mobile developer, in my humble opinion.
> Using a couple of png's for theming
> and 40 lines of pure Livecode script for resizing were
> all I needed for 20+ finished projects {published business apps} in the
> last two years.
>

Hi Ender,

It is important to keep in mind that what might be classified as a pet
feature for some is essential for others. I consider myself a fairly
experienced developer and consider resolution independence critical. On the
desktop you cannot make a LiveCode app look correct on retina displays.
Your text will always look fuzzy. If you happen to be playing with the
resolution independence branch of the LiveCode engine on GitHub (the
developer branch includes it now) you will notice a night and day
difference when loading your projects (when loading the project on a retina
laptop).

Windows has similar issues with resolution independence. Changes have to
made to the LiveCode engine itself so that we can have projects look and
behave properly. Based on the number of support emails I get from my
customers I see an upward trend in among my customer base who are using
high-resolution settings on Windows.

For me, lack of high resolution support affects sales of my product (users
with retina displays do not like non-retina compliant apps).

Just another perspective,

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Re: repeating string

[Mike Kerner]

I like that, too


On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM, J. Landman Gay
wrote:

> On 2/10/14, 11:51 AM, Devin Asay wrote:
>
>> Seems like the most LiveCode-like syntax would be something like:
>>
>> pad  with  at beginning|end| [for]
>> N [times]
>>
>> So,
>>
>> pad myvar with space at beginning 4 times
>>
>> pad fld "foo" with 0 at end 10 times
>>
>> pad "hello" with "xyz" after char 3 for 2 times --> helxyzxyzlo
>>
>
> Ooh. Nice! Like.
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Re: repeating string

[J. Landman Gay]

On 2/10/14, 11:51 AM, Devin Asay wrote:

Seems like the most LiveCode-like syntax would be something like:

pad  with  at beginning|end| [for] N 
[times]

So,

pad myvar with space at beginning 4 times

pad fld "foo" with 0 at end 10 times

pad "hello" with "xyz" after char 3 for 2 times --> helxyzxyzlo


Ooh. Nice! Like.

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Re: repeating string

[Devin Asay]

On Feb 8, 2014, at 10:41 PM, Geoff Canyon  wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Mike Kerner wrote:
> 
>> put 30 "a" into goop, but that is a recipe for failure, and
>> put 30 "a"'s into goop is almost unreadable
>> 
> 
> If we're devising syntax, I think some other languages use * as in:
> 
> put 30 * "a" into goop
> 
> This still runs into problems because of LC's typeless variables:
> 
> put 5 * 15 -- puts 75
> put 5 * "15" -- puts 1515151515
> put 15 into x
> put 5 * 15 -- puts 75
> put "15" into x
> put 5 * 15 -- still puts 75, nor should it change
> 
> Perhaps "of"?
> 
> put 5 of 15 -- puts 1515151515

Seems like the most LiveCode-like syntax would be something like:

pad  with  at beginning|end| [for] N 
[times]

So,

pad myvar with space at beginning 4 times

pad fld "foo" with 0 at end 10 times

pad "hello" with "xyz" after char 3 for 2 times --> helxyzxyzlo


Devin

Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University


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Re: Crowd Funding Enhancements

[Mike Kerner]

The things I'm thinking of are generally not on the road map, which is how
this thing got started in the first place.  Some of them are on a wishlist
that I gave to Kevin after our Pro meeting.

I also don't want to unnecessarily fork LC just to get what I want (e.g.
all items are created equal).  What I want is to be able to make it worth
everyone's while to add, modify, etc. the project in ways that benefit
everyone...sooner, and limit the resistance to those improvements.

We already did this once with the mergSockets external, and it was good.  I
want to do it some more, and I want to let Kevin et al be able to be as
involved or not as they want.

What I think we need to do is to develop some lists of priorities that
everyone has, and try to a) integrate with the roadmap, b) work on what the
improvements would cost for someone to complete and c) collect the funds
and d) git r dun


On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu <
endern...@keehuna.com> wrote:

> On February 10, 2014 at 17:24:35, Kevin Miller (ke...@runrev.com) wrote:
>
> The only thing we could do would be to speed things up by
> further expanding our dev team, which could bring delivery forward for
> ³pet² features. I guess we could crowd fund that.
>
> So - here is an open question I don¹t know the answer to. Is there
> appetite for this in the community?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
>
> I would happily join to a crowd funding to speed important things up.
> But, a bold but, *pet features* and *essentials* should be defined very
> carefully.
> I believe, many of us will support another crowd-funding
> which focuses on *essentials*, things which cannot be done in Livecode
> alone.
>
> There are really, really important things which we couldn't do by
> ourselves or without the help of an external.
> Unicode is one of those things, group size limits {int16 thing} and
> non-blocking url commands are, too.
>
> I would define them as following;
> pet feature: a feature for which a workaround can be found.
> essential: no workaround, engine must change or an external is needed.
>
> On February 10, 2014 at 17:09:06, Andrew Kluthe (and...@ctech.me) wrote:
>
>  I'd sell a piece of my liver for url
> commands that were non-blocking.
>
> Andrew
>
> Example to an essential feature.
> Blocking url commands are deal-breaker and finding an acceptable
> work-around is almost impossible.
> They break many things including user responsiveness.
>
> To quote from Crowley after modernizing the Hell {watching Supernatural,
> anyone?}:
> "Nobody likes to wait!"
>
> On February 10, 2014 at 17:56:39, Andrew Kluthe (and...@ctech.me) wrote:
>
>  Any kind of timelines or updates on any of the stretch goals other than
> theming/res
> independence would be great. ... it is also the least
> important to folks who aren't doing mac or mobile dev.
>
> Example to a pet feature.
> These are / should not be that much important even to a seasoned
> mac/mobile developer, in my humble opinion.
> Using a couple of png's for theming
> and 40 lines of pure Livecode script for resizing were
> all I needed for 20+ finished projects {published business apps} in the
> last two years.
>
>
> Rotating an image without wiggling could be important to someone {me}
> and having built-in commands for json parsing to someone else.
>
> But these can be done at least to some degree via pure Livecode.
>
>
> As I said, *pet features* and *essentials* should be defined very
> carefully.
> We'll support, I will support another crowd-funding which focuses on
> *essentials*, things which cannot be done in Livecode alone.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> ~ Ender
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Re: LiveCode in Elementary Schools

[J. Landman Gay]

j...@unmla.com wrote:

I'm interested in learning whether LiveCode is an appropriate tool
for introducing elementary school children to the field of computer
science.


LiveCode has been eagerly adopted in the educational market. I can't 
find the link, but Scotland's schools throughout the country have 
adopted LiveCode as the preferred method to teach basic programming skills.


On the RuvRev web site there are three write-ups of how LiveCode is 
being used in educational settings. While these aren't elementary 
schools, I think the same principles would apply to any age student:






The main web page with all these links and more is at:



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Re: Crowd Funding Enhancements

[Ender Nafi Elekcioglu]

On February 10, 2014 at 17:24:35, Kevin Miller (ke...@runrev.com) wrote:

The only thing we could do would be to speed things up by 
further expanding our dev team, which could bring delivery forward for 
³pet² features. I guess we could crowd fund that. 

So - here is an open question I don¹t know the answer to. Is there 
appetite for this in the community? 

Kind regards, 

Kevin 
 

I would happily join to a crowd funding to speed important things up.
But, a bold but, *pet features* and *essentials* should be defined very 
carefully.
I believe, many of us will support another crowd-funding 
which focuses on *essentials*, things which cannot be done in Livecode alone.

There are really, really important things which we couldn’t do by ourselves or 
without the help of an external.
Unicode is one of those things, group size limits {int16 thing} and 
non-blocking url commands are, too.

I would define them as following;
pet feature: a feature for which a workaround can be found.
essential: no workaround, engine must change or an external is needed.

On February 10, 2014 at 17:09:06, Andrew Kluthe (and...@ctech.me) wrote:

 I'd sell a piece of my liver for url 
commands that were non-blocking. 

Andrew 

Example to an essential feature.
Blocking url commands are deal-breaker and finding an acceptable work-around is 
almost impossible.
They break many things including user responsiveness.

To quote from Crowley after modernizing the Hell {watching Supernatural, 
anyone?}:
“Nobody likes to wait!”

On February 10, 2014 at 17:56:39, Andrew Kluthe (and...@ctech.me) wrote:

 Any kind of timelines or updates on any of the stretch goals other than 
theming/res 
independence would be great. ... it is also the least 
important to folks who aren't doing mac or mobile dev.  

Example to a pet feature.
These are / should not be that much important even to a seasoned mac/mobile 
developer, in my humble opinion.
Using a couple of png’s for theming 
and 40 lines of pure Livecode script for resizing were 
all I needed for 20+ finished projects {published business apps} in the last 
two years.


Rotating an image without wiggling could be important to someone {me}
and having built-in commands for json parsing to someone else.

But these can be done at least to some degree via pure Livecode.


As I said, *pet features* and *essentials* should be defined very carefully.
We’ll support, I will support another crowd-funding which focuses on 
*essentials*, things which cannot be done in Livecode alone.



Best,

~ Ender
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Re: Crowd Funding Enhancements

[Trevor DeVore]

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Andrew Kluthe  wrote:

>  Any kind of
> timelines or updates on any of the stretch goals other than theming/res
> independence would be great. While I understand that is probably the
> hardest stretch goal you have had to deliver, it is also the least
> important to folks who aren't doing mac or mobile dev.


I just wanted to point out that resolution independence applies to Windows
as well. Windows has a high DPI mode which you can read about here:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd464660(VS.85).aspx

Once the user sets the zoom on their Windows install to 150% it enters high
DPI mode. I've seen this become an issue more and more recently with my
products and have to ask customers to set the zoom to 125%.

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Re: Crowd Funding Enhancements

[Jan Schenkel]

Hi all,

With the right funding, I would consider making Quartam Reports open-source 
under a dual license.
This would obviate the need for a whole new project that has to go through all 
the same pains I did.
Admittedly, things have been quiet on the news front, but I have been preparing 
two major updates.
One brings a series of enhancements to the current version, and the other 
constitutes a complete rewrite.
The point of the rewrite is to bring the report runtime up-to-date with the 
latest LiveCode features.
And to tame the beast that is the report editor which has proven harder to 
maintain than planned.

Best regards,

Jan Schenkel.

=
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
www.quartam.com

=
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La 
Rochefoucauld)


On Mon, 2/10/14, Tim Selander  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Crowd Funding Enhancements
 To: "How to use LiveCode" 
 Date: Monday, February 10, 2014, 7:14 AM
 
 I'm originally from Chicago... so in
 the tradition of that great city, I'm stuffing the virtual
 ballot box with votes for this one!!
 
 Tim Selander
 Tokyo, Japan
 
 On 2/11/14 12:02 AM, Mike Kerner wrote:
 > * A real report editor/designer
 
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Re: Crowd Funding Enhancements

[Kevin Miller]

Actually its the core refactor / Unicode that was the really tough bit. A
long time with heads down and only internal dps so far. But in terms of
actual throughput its been massive. The other goals aren’t of the same
scope and as such aren’t as far away as it may seem.

We’re deep into planning for the next phase at the moment. So I’ll write
you guys a more extensive post and/or a newsletter article with an update
on things within the next couple of weeks.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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LiveCode: Everyone can code




On 10/02/2014 15:56, "Andrew Kluthe"  wrote:

>Since we all work on software too, some of us professionally, we
>understand
>it takes a while sometimes to deliver on a road map.
>
>I also understand that many kickstarter projects might add stretch goals
>that are indeed a bit of a stretch to deliver on to try and build/keep
>excitement. But progress that we are privy too on these things is less
>than
>visible as we go in to "a whole year later" territory. Any kind of
>timelines or updates on any of the stretch goals other than theming/res
>independence would be great. While I understand that is probably the
>hardest stretch goal you have had to deliver, it is also the least
>important to folks who aren't doing mac or mobile dev. I think a lot of us
>are happy to wait, but that a few of us seem to be getting concerned
>lately
>that we won't get many of those stretch goals any time in the next year or
>two.
>
>
>On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Kevin Miller  wrote:
>
>> We¹re definitely interested. The potential issue I have is that this
>>stuff
>> was (mostly) promised from Kickstarter and indeed either planned and
>> specced or even being worked on. Mostly it will be delivered this year
>>at
>> various points. You guys already backed us on Kickstarter and we can &
>> will be deliver. The only thing we could do would be to speed things up
>>by
>> further expanding our dev team, which could bring delivery forward for
>> ³pet² features. I guess we could crowd fund that.
>>
>> So - here is an open question I don¹t know the answer to. Is there
>> appetite for this in the community? Or would you rather just wait now?
>> This really is at the ³thinking out loud stage², happy to get a range of
>> views as we talk about this internally some more.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
>> LiveCode: Everyone can code
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/02/2014 15:02, "Mike Kerner"  wrote:
>>
>> >I started this thread on the other list, but it's time to bring it over
>> >here.
>> >
>> >Now that LC is OSS, I'm thinking of starting a "fund" to get other
>>things
>> >done in LC.  For example,
>> >* code folding
>> >* stack-level setting for giving equal rights to all items, especially
>>the
>> >last one
>> >* macros in the script editor
>> >* multiple columns in the script editor on wide monitors
>> >* A real report editor/designer
>> >* Purchase a skinning tool like tmC or MG and make it part of the
>>product.
>> >
>> >
>> >Malte has his own list:
>> >1) Feature: reworked networking library (libURL is a bit dated), which
>> >would elevate IPv6 support and goodies like SFTP
>> >2) Fix: Modal dialogue makes app vanish from Task Switcher on Windows
>> >3) Feature: Reworked Multimedia Support (I want sound channels like we
>> >have
>> >on mobile for the desktop) , new Player Object
>> >4) Feature: Sub Pixel positioning
>> >5) Feature: Free Transform (rotate/ transform) for all controls
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >One way this might work:  we could throw out an idea, get bids from the
>> >community and even from Edinburgh to deal with it, and then fund it.
>> >
>> >
>> >Feedback, please.
>> >
>> >--
>> >On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>> >On the second day, God created the oceans.
>> >On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>> >   and did a little diving.
>> >And God said, "This is good."
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Re: Crowd Funding Enhancements

[Andrew Kluthe]

Since we all work on software too, some of us professionally, we understand
it takes a while sometimes to deliver on a road map.

I also understand that many kickstarter projects might add stretch goals
that are indeed a bit of a stretch to deliver on to try and build/keep
excitement. But progress that we are privy too on these things is less than
visible as we go in to "a whole year later" territory. Any kind of
timelines or updates on any of the stretch goals other than theming/res
independence would be great. While I understand that is probably the
hardest stretch goal you have had to deliver, it is also the least
important to folks who aren't doing mac or mobile dev. I think a lot of us
are happy to wait, but that a few of us seem to be getting concerned lately
that we won't get many of those stretch goals any time in the next year or
two.


On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Kevin Miller  wrote:

> We¹re definitely interested. The potential issue I have is that this stuff
> was (mostly) promised from Kickstarter and indeed either planned and
> specced or even being worked on. Mostly it will be delivered this year at
> various points. You guys already backed us on Kickstarter and we can &
> will be deliver. The only thing we could do would be to speed things up by
> further expanding our dev team, which could bring delivery forward for
> ³pet² features. I guess we could crowd fund that.
>
> So - here is an open question I don¹t know the answer to. Is there
> appetite for this in the community? Or would you rather just wait now?
> This really is at the ³thinking out loud stage², happy to get a range of
> views as we talk about this internally some more.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> LiveCode: Everyone can code
>
>
>
>
> On 10/02/2014 15:02, "Mike Kerner"  wrote:
>
> >I started this thread on the other list, but it's time to bring it over
> >here.
> >
> >Now that LC is OSS, I'm thinking of starting a "fund" to get other things
> >done in LC.  For example,
> >* code folding
> >* stack-level setting for giving equal rights to all items, especially the
> >last one
> >* macros in the script editor
> >* multiple columns in the script editor on wide monitors
> >* A real report editor/designer
> >* Purchase a skinning tool like tmC or MG and make it part of the product.
> >
> >
> >Malte has his own list:
> >1) Feature: reworked networking library (libURL is a bit dated), which
> >would elevate IPv6 support and goodies like SFTP
> >2) Fix: Modal dialogue makes app vanish from Task Switcher on Windows
> >3) Feature: Reworked Multimedia Support (I want sound channels like we
> >have
> >on mobile for the desktop) , new Player Object
> >4) Feature: Sub Pixel positioning
> >5) Feature: Free Transform (rotate/ transform) for all controls
> >
> >
> >
> >One way this might work:  we could throw out an idea, get bids from the
> >community and even from Edinburgh to deal with it, and then fund it.
> >
> >
> >Feedback, please.
> >
> >--
> >On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> >On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
> >And God said, "This is good."
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Re: new way closing a stack in IOS 7

[Michael Gruenthal]

This remains unsupported for now, but will hopefully (re)appear as an option
at some point during the engine refactoring process. A checkbox was in the
standalone builder in the past but hidden. To enhance what your app can do
while suspended, take a look at http://mergext.com/home/mergbgtask/


On 2/10/14, 10:13 AM, "Alain Vezina"  wrote:

> Hi Ender,
> 
> Thanks a lot.
> 
> I think this solution is a bit risky but I will try it on a test app.
> 
> Alain
> 
> Le 2014-02-07 à 11:59, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu  a écrit :
> 
>>  Hi Alain,
>>  
>>  I think what you¹re asking is in fact *how to keep alive your app even in
>> the background*;
>>  then this is what you need:
>>  http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=1#p95224
>>  
>>  And here is the answer of your second question:
>>  
>> https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/userexperience/conceptu
>> al/MobileHIG/IconMatrix.html
>>  
>>  
>>  Best,
>>  
>>  ~ Ender Nafi
>>  
>>  
>>  From: Alain Vezina Alain Vezina
>>  Reply: Alain Vezina alain.vez...@logilangue.com
>>  Date: February 7, 2014 at 18:49:46
>>  To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
>>  Subject:  new way closing a stack in IOS 7
>>  Hi All,  
>>  
>>  You know that in IOS 7 there is a way to pass from one app to another : you
>> double press the home button and all the active apps appear in a row, letting
>> you browse from one to another without closing anyone of them. If you want to
>> close any app of this row, you push it up.
>>  
>>  So, I would like to find the way to do this in LC 6.5. I spent 2 hours in
>> the dictionary and in the tutorials without finding any clue for that
>> question.  
>>  
>>  I am also wondering to what extend Apple obliges developers to be IOS 7 in
>> their apps : I am talking about background image, buttons shape, icons,
>> colors and so on.
>>  
>>  Regards  
>>  
>>  Alain Vézina  
>>  Logilangue  
>>  514-596-1385  
>>  www.logilangue.com
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Re: Crowd Funding Enhancements

[Kevin Miller]

We¹re definitely interested. The potential issue I have is that this stuff
was (mostly) promised from Kickstarter and indeed either planned and
specced or even being worked on. Mostly it will be delivered this year at
various points. You guys already backed us on Kickstarter and we can &
will be deliver. The only thing we could do would be to speed things up by
further expanding our dev team, which could bring delivery forward for
³pet² features. I guess we could crowd fund that.

So - here is an open question I don¹t know the answer to. Is there
appetite for this in the community? Or would you rather just wait now?
This really is at the ³thinking out loud stage², happy to get a range of
views as we talk about this internally some more.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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On 10/02/2014 15:02, "Mike Kerner"  wrote:

>I started this thread on the other list, but it's time to bring it over
>here.
>
>Now that LC is OSS, I'm thinking of starting a "fund" to get other things
>done in LC.  For example,
>* code folding
>* stack-level setting for giving equal rights to all items, especially the
>last one
>* macros in the script editor
>* multiple columns in the script editor on wide monitors
>* A real report editor/designer
>* Purchase a skinning tool like tmC or MG and make it part of the product.
>
>
>Malte has his own list:
>1) Feature: reworked networking library (libURL is a bit dated), which
>would elevate IPv6 support and goodies like SFTP
>2) Fix: Modal dialogue makes app vanish from Task Switcher on Windows
>3) Feature: Reworked Multimedia Support (I want sound channels like we
>have
>on mobile for the desktop) , new Player Object
>4) Feature: Sub Pixel positioning
>5) Feature: Free Transform (rotate/ transform) for all controls
>
>
>
>One way this might work:  we could throw out an idea, get bids from the
>community and even from Edinburgh to deal with it, and then fund it.
>
>
>Feedback, please.
>
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Re: Crowd Funding Enhancements

[Vaughn Clement]

Hi

Awhile back I proposed a (How to) to offer a LC Codebook for all users to
use online to manage their scripts and several other types of LC content. I
only got a minimal interest.

I am still learning LiveCode like so many other developers. I found the
LiveCode has a rather good Dictionary if you have the time to thumb through
the current 1900+ records. It occurred to me to learn LiveCode a novice or
better developer needs a better interface and to add code tracking in the
distionary. If this could be hosted and allow all users to add their script
knowledge to this dictionary along with custom properties, and custom
functions it would be a real asset. I would also have the app able to use a
very good search feature across any data or fields in the database where
keywords or phrases can be searched. This would call all elements for any
dictionary element/s in a selected group to be reviewed. The current
dictionary is not very useful if you have to search across the entire
dictionary. I am about half way through the dictionary adding the body of
records. When it is done I will offer the dictionary to all users.

Thank you

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On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:02 AM, Mike Kerner wrote:

> I started this thread on the other list, but it's time to bring it over
> here.
>
> Now that LC is OSS, I'm thinking of starting a "fund" to get other things
> done in LC.  For example,
> * code folding
> * stack-level setting for giving equal rights to all items, especially the
> last one
> * macros in the script editor
> * multiple columns in the script editor on wide monitors
> * A real report editor/designer
> * Purchase a skinning tool like tmC or MG and make it part of the product.
>
>
> Malte has his own list:
> 1) Feature: reworked networking library (libURL is a bit dated), which
> would elevate IPv6 support and goodies like SFTP
> 2) Fix: Modal dialogue makes app vanish from Task Switcher on Windows
> 3) Feature: Reworked Multimedia Support (I want sound channels like we have
> on mobile for the desktop) , new Player Object
> 4) Feature: Sub Pixel positioning
> 5) Feature: Free Transform (rotate/ transform) for all controls
>
>
>
> One way this might work:  we could throw out an idea, get bids from the
> community and even from Edinburgh to deal with it, and then fund it.
>
>
> Feedback, please.
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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Re: Crowd Funding Enhancements

[Tim Selander]

I'm originally from Chicago... so in the tradition of that great 
city, I'm stuffing the virtual ballot box with votes for this one!!


Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan

On 2/11/14 12:02 AM, Mike Kerner wrote:

* A real report editor/designer


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Re: new way closing a stack in IOS 7

[Alain Vezina]

Hi Ender,

Thanks a lot.

I think this solution is a bit risky but I will try it on a test app.

Alain

Le 2014-02-07 à 11:59, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu  a écrit :

> Hi Alain,
> 
> I think what you’re asking is in fact *how to keep alive your app even in the 
> background*;
> then this is what you need:
> http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=1#p95224
> 
> And here is the answer of your second question:
> https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/userexperience/conceptual/MobileHIG/IconMatrix.html
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> ~ Ender Nafi
> 
> 
> From: Alain Vezina Alain Vezina
> Reply: Alain Vezina alain.vez...@logilangue.com
> Date: February 7, 2014 at 18:49:46
> To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Subject:  new way closing a stack in IOS 7  
> Hi All,  
> 
> You know that in IOS 7 there is a way to pass from one app to another : you 
> double press the home button and all the active apps appear in a row, letting 
> you browse from one to another without closing anyone of them. If you want to 
> close any app of this row, you push it up.  
> 
> So, I would like to find the way to do this in LC 6.5. I spent 2 hours in the 
> dictionary and in the tutorials without finding any clue for that question.  
> 
> I am also wondering to what extend Apple obliges developers to be IOS 7 in 
> their apps : I am talking about background image, buttons shape, icons, 
> colors and so on.  
> 
> Regards  
> 
> Alain Vézina  
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> 514-596-1385  
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Re: Crowd Funding Enhancements

[Andrew Kluthe]

>
> 1) Feature: reworked networking library (libURL is a bit dated), which
> would elevate IPv6 support and goodies like SFTP


and

* A real report editor/designer


Seem like really feasible projects, and would change the game for just
about every thing I do with livecode. I'd sell a piece of my liver for url
commands that were non-blocking.

Andrew




On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Mike Kerner wrote:

> I started this thread on the other list, but it's time to bring it over
> here.
>
> Now that LC is OSS, I'm thinking of starting a "fund" to get other things
> done in LC.  For example,
> * code folding
> * stack-level setting for giving equal rights to all items, especially the
> last one
> * macros in the script editor
> * multiple columns in the script editor on wide monitors
> * A real report editor/designer
> * Purchase a skinning tool like tmC or MG and make it part of the product.
>
>
> Malte has his own list:
> 1) Feature: reworked networking library (libURL is a bit dated), which
> would elevate IPv6 support and goodies like SFTP
> 2) Fix: Modal dialogue makes app vanish from Task Switcher on Windows
> 3) Feature: Reworked Multimedia Support (I want sound channels like we have
> on mobile for the desktop) , new Player Object
> 4) Feature: Sub Pixel positioning
> 5) Feature: Free Transform (rotate/ transform) for all controls
>
>
>
> One way this might work:  we could throw out an idea, get bids from the
> community and even from Edinburgh to deal with it, and then fund it.
>
>
> Feedback, please.
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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Crowd Funding Enhancements

[Mike Kerner]

I started this thread on the other list, but it's time to bring it over
here.

Now that LC is OSS, I'm thinking of starting a "fund" to get other things
done in LC.  For example,
* code folding
* stack-level setting for giving equal rights to all items, especially the
last one
* macros in the script editor
* multiple columns in the script editor on wide monitors
* A real report editor/designer
* Purchase a skinning tool like tmC or MG and make it part of the product.


Malte has his own list:
1) Feature: reworked networking library (libURL is a bit dated), which
would elevate IPv6 support and goodies like SFTP
2) Fix: Modal dialogue makes app vanish from Task Switcher on Windows
3) Feature: Reworked Multimedia Support (I want sound channels like we have
on mobile for the desktop) , new Player Object
4) Feature: Sub Pixel positioning
5) Feature: Free Transform (rotate/ transform) for all controls



One way this might work:  we could throw out an idea, get bids from the
community and even from Edinburgh to deal with it, and then fund it.


Feedback, please.

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Re: repeating string

[Mike Kerner]

the BASIC RPT$ syntax is s not LC.  "of" might work, though.  I
also hate the * syntax.  Yes, I know what it means, but I'm a CS junkie.


On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 12:54 AM, Jerry Jensen  wrote:

> How about rpt(15,5) ? If you don't quote the "15", the numberformat would
> take effect, I guess.
>
> On Feb 8, 2014, at 9:41 PM, Geoff Canyon  wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Mike Kerner  >wrote:
> >
> >> put 30 "a" into goop, but that is a recipe for failure, and
> >> put 30 "a"'s into goop is almost unreadable
> >>
> >
> > If we're devising syntax, I think some other languages use * as in:
> >
> > put 30 * "a" into goop
> >
> > This still runs into problems because of LC's typeless variables:
> >
> > put 5 * 15 -- puts 75
> > put 5 * "15" -- puts 1515151515
> > put 15 into x
> > put 5 * 15 -- puts 75
> > put "15" into x
> > put 5 * 15 -- still puts 75, nor should it change
> >
> > Perhaps "of"?
> >
> > put 5 of 15 -- puts 1515151515
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RE: LiveCode in Elementary Schools

[Cyril Pruszko]

It would be perfect for younger students to learn about computers and 
programming. They can easily start writing programs without a lot of teaching. 
Then once they get excited about what they have created and want to do more, 
you slowly introduce the concepts and programming constructs. It works very 
well in the classroom
LiveCode, especially, lends itself to students moving ahead on their own. Since 
it is so English-like, they do not have problems learning the language. The 
ones who do move ahead are excited to show what they have done and teach their 
peers what they have learned. They also help each other when problems arise or 
someone wants to do something different or more difficult. 
Education is moving more towards project-based lessons with emphasis on 
creativity, independent learning, research, collaboration, teamwork, analytical 
thinking, project decomposition, problem solving and other skills more relevant 
to real life and success in one's careers. That is LiveCode.
I am working with elementary schools to develop lessons and would be willing to 
share what we do. I have been teaching high school students LiveCode for over 4 
years now and have learned much about how they work and learn. I have a website 
that we use and you are welcome to use it to become more familiar with 
LiveCode:  https://sites.google.com/a/pgcps.org/livecode/home  Although it is 
rather old, I will be revising it over the summer. I will also be adding 
teacher's pages with help, assignments and tips. What we develop for the 
elementary grades will be there too, on separate pages. I welcome any 
contributions and insights that you may have once you start using it in your 
classroom.
Welcome to the world of LiveCode and kudos for being willing to use it in the 
classroom. It is the right decision.
Thanks, Cyril Pruszko
> From: j...@unmla.com
> To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Subject: LiveCode in Elementary Schools
> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 05:43:33 +
> 
> Hi. I'm interested in learning whether LiveCode is an appropriate tool for 
> introducing elementary school children to the field of computer science. Does 
> anyone know of any case studies, resources, or other leads along these lines?
> 
> 
> Also, I'd be interested in knowing whether there are any other LiveCode 
> enthusiasts in Northern New Mexico.
> 
> 
> Thanks, Joseph
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Re: Movies ?

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Richmond,

I have used the Enhanced QT external to create Snapper Screen Recorder. 
 Additionally, there are severa image2movie utilities. There are also 
command line utilities such as ffmpeg, which can do this.


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On 2/10/2014 11:29, Richmond wrote:

It's fantasy time again.

I was musing on export/write to file a sequence of images as,
either, an animated GIF, or a .mov/.avi file.

I could just load the image sequence into Quicktime Pro and
press button A: but that would not work in, say, a stack/standalone that
would generate a film for an end-user automatically.

Clever people might be able to automate Quicktime from inside LC,
but that presupposes the end-user has Quicktime Pro on their machine.

Richmond.



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Re: Stupid simple version control using dropbox

[Martin Baxter]

On 07/02/14 14:50, Geoff Canyon wrote:
> Not sure if this has been posted before, but just in case: If you store
> your stack files in the dropbox folder on your computer, dropbox does a
> really good job of saving a copy of each separate file whenever the file is
> saved. You can look at a list of the saved versions and get/restore any of
> them.
> 
> It's not git, but as a file-level resource it's a 1000x better than
> nothing. I borked up some code last night (never try to solve a problem at
> 3am that stumped you at 9pm) so I'm really happy that I can just revert to
> the 9pm version and forget whatever it is I did later on.
>

In the interest of balance I feel I should put in a word for Spideroak,
which has given me similarly useful service.



It took me a while to configure it to my taste, as its UI is somewhat
eccentric, but I'm happy enough with it.

Its major SP is the zero-knowledge client-side encryption. While that
isn't verifiable and I personally have no inclination to use any
off-site service to store seriously valuable secrets (assuming I had
any), whether encrypted or not, there are sometimes passwords and so-on
embedded in my files and I'd rather not carry the vague or nagging worry
that I am exposing those in plaintext to the marauding legions of
network snoops and sneaks.

You don't have to set up a special folder for it, you can configure it
to backup whatever folders you want, and you have the option of keeping
a local offline repo as well. It certainly is really useful to be able
to dig out old, good copies of obscure files that have been corrupted
for months before you realised it, or even new ones that got trashed in
some "senior moment".

Worth a look maybe?

Martin


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Movies ?

[Richmond]

It's fantasy time again.

I was musing on export/write to file a sequence of images as,
either, an animated GIF, or a .mov/.avi file.

I could just load the image sequence into Quicktime Pro and
press button A: but that would not work in, say, a stack/standalone that
would generate a film for an end-user automatically.

Clever people might be able to automate Quicktime from inside LC,
but that presupposes the end-user has Quicktime Pro on their machine.

Richmond.

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