r; Albert D. Cahalan;
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>Subject: Re: hotmail can't deal with ECN
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>On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Chris Wedgwood wrote:
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>> On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 09:55:00PM -0500, Steven N. Hirsch wrote:
>>
>> Adelphia Communications just blew off my proble
> > mean that hotmail doesn't get ECN packets and the connection gets established
> > just as if you were talking to a plain non-ECN server without a firewall.
>
> gozer IS my firewall. :) beyond it is a modem and a dailup point, my ISPs
> LAN and then the innanet. and I tried from it and from a
On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>
> I don't know if that's true. The headers I've seen from hotmail users --
> and Netcraft seem to agree -- indicate that they have migrated over to
> Win2K. I do understand this was a forced migration for non-technical
> reasons, and that they had qu
"Michael B. Trausch" wrote:
>
> On 29 Jan 2001, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> >
> > He's keeping in mind who owns Hotmail. However, I think that's unfair
> > to the Hotmail guys; all the ones I have ever spoken with have been
> > very professional and genuinely concerned with standards compliance.
> >
On 29 Jan 2001, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>
> He's keeping in mind who owns Hotmail. However, I think that's unfair
> to the Hotmail guys; all the ones I have ever spoken with have been
> very professional and genuinely concerned with standards compliance.
>
I would also keep in mind, that Microso
H. Peter Anvin writes:
> He's keeping in mind who owns Hotmail. However, I think that's unfair
> to the Hotmail guys; all the ones I have ever spoken with have been
> very professional and genuinely concerned with standards compliance.
Yes, I also think this has nothing to do with who owns
H
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> On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Thunder from the hill wrote:
> >
> > > Don't they understand that Linux is actually a system that is growing to
> > > be very popular?
> >
> > That's why
> Don't they understand that Linux is actually a system that is growing to
> be very popular?
That's why they ignore and don't support it.
Thunder
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"David S. Miller" wrote:
>
> Chris Wedgwood writes:
> > On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 10:34:47AM -0800, David S. Miller wrote:
> >
> > That's it, in 4 weeks time I am putting a kernel onto
> > vger.kernel.org that speaks ECN. This is my official and only
> > warning.
> >
> > Why wai
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 10:15:45PM +1300, Chris Wedgwood wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 09:55:00PM -0500, Steven N. Hirsch wrote:
>
> Adelphia Communications just blew off my problem complaint (they
> have a router between me and the POP server that DENY's ECN),
> telling me that th
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 10:14:14PM +1300, Chris Wedgwood wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:50:57AM +1100, CaT wrote:
>> *screatches head*
>>
>> I'm not sure as to what the problem with hotmail may be. I have ECN
>> turned on:
>>
>> gozer:~# more /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_e
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Chris Wedgwood wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 09:55:00PM -0500, Steven N. Hirsch wrote:
>
> Adelphia Communications just blew off my problem complaint (they
> have a router between me and the POP server that DENY's ECN),
> telling me that they "..won't upgrade
Chris Wedgwood writes:
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 10:34:47AM -0800, David S. Miller wrote:
>
> That's it, in 4 weeks time I am putting a kernel onto
> vger.kernel.org that speaks ECN. This is my official and only
> warning.
>
> Why wait 4 weeks at all? You seem to be very cle
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, David S. Miller wrote:
> Some of the MX records that show up for hotmail.com go
> to different machines, such as INKY.SOLINUS.COM which seems
> to let ECN connections through just fine.
Ahh.. In which case, *@hotmail.com list subscribers should still get their
mail OK - it w
"David S. Miller" wrote:
>
[...]
> That's it, in 4 weeks time I am putting a kernel onto vger.kernel.org
> that speaks ECN. This is my official and only warning.
Fine.
Those who get their mail at hotmail can get a free yahoo account
for the list (and possibly other uses as well.) Yahoo have no
mirabilos wrote:
> Correct - and additionally: what's about Win 95-ME, NT, W2K; *BSD?
> When I'm end user they don't block an ECN connection I thought, or do they?
> Idea: some1 makes up a web server.
> - If I can connect ECN is working
> - On the site I can enter my mail addy and get a mail th
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Steven N. Hirsch wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, David S. Miller wrote:
>
> Adelphia Communications just blew off my problem complaint (they have a
> router between me and the POP server that DENY's ECN), telling me that
> they "..won't upgrade the router on the basis of one c
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, David S. Miller wrote:
> "test"? I know exactly whats going to happen, and unless folks like
> hotmail.com and others get their act together I'll certainly end up
> removing *@*hotmail.com from the lists by the end of that day.
>
> That is the whole point of this experiment
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 05:04:23PM -0800, David S. Miller wrote:
>
> CaT writes:
> > gozer:~# more /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn
> > 1
> >
> > and I can contact hotmail just fine.
> ...
> > where should I go to on hotmail to see it fail?
>
> Try telnetting to port 25 on one of their
> "*.ho
CaT writes:
> gozer:~# more /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn
> 1
>
> and I can contact hotmail just fine.
...
> where should I go to on hotmail to see it fail?
Try telnetting to port 25 on one of their
"*.hotmail.com" MX records.
For example:
? host -a hostmail.com
...
hostmail.com651 IN
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 01:59:01AM +0100, Jan Niehusmann wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:50:57AM +1100, CaT wrote:
> > gozer:~# more /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn
> > 1
> >
> > and I can contact hotmail just fine. I also can ftp to your site
> > non-passively. where should I go to on hotmail to
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:50:57AM +1100, CaT wrote:
> I'm not sure as to what the problem with hotmail may be. I have ECN
> turned on:
>
> gozer:~# more /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn
> 1
>
> and I can contact hotmail just fine. I also can ftp to your site
> non-passively. where should I go to on
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 04:37:37PM -0800, David S. Miller wrote:
>
> James H. Cloos Jr. writes:
> > Are there any well know sites using ECN we can test against?
>
> Use non-passive FTP to my workstation and just do a directory listing
> which will make the FTP server create a TCP connection bac
James H. Cloos Jr. writes:
> Are there any well know sites using ECN we can test against?
Use non-passive FTP to my workstation and just do a directory listing
which will make the FTP server create a TCP connection back to your
machine for the transfer of the directory listing.
My workstation
> "alex" == alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
alex> I think the point of a test address is that this could
alex> conceivably affect more providers than just Hotmail, and it
alex> would be useful for people to be able to check to make sure
alex> their own provider isn't also ECN brain damaged
Alex wrote:
> Regarding Hotmail.. has anybody actually tried informing them that Cisco has a
> stable patch available? It's possible they're just misinformed about its
> status. I do think they should at least be given credit for:
Hotmail actually, as whole M$, is unreachable, so no1 could te
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 11:13:03AM -0800, David S. Miller wrote:
>
> Albert D. Cahalan writes:
> > How about some way to test before you do this?
> > Example: an ecn.kernel.org host that replys to mail.
>
> "test"? I know exactly whats going to happen, and unless folks like
> hotmail.com and
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, David S. Miller wrote:
>
> Albert D. Cahalan writes:
> > How about some way to test before you do this?
> > Example: an ecn.kernel.org host that replys to mail.
>
> "test"? I know exactly whats going to happen, and unless folks like
> hotmail.com and others get their act
Intolerable, that's right.
Isn't ECN a good new technology? Isn't there an open implementation
on the `net? - So why don't they at least _start_ converting to it?
mirabilos - favouring security, too
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Albert D. Cahalan writes:
> How about some way to test before you do this?
> Example: an ecn.kernel.org host that replys to mail.
"test"? I know exactly whats going to happen, and unless folks like
hotmail.com and others get their act together I'll certainly end up
removing *@*hotmail.com fro
> That's it, in 4 weeks time I am putting a kernel onto vger.kernel.org
> that speaks ECN. This is my official and only warning.
How about some way to test before you do this?
Example: an ecn.kernel.org host that replys to mail.
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Jeremy Hansen writes:
>
> After mentioning ECN, this is the response I received from hotmail.
Hmmm...
> From: MSN Hotmail Support <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: CST23725481ID - Ban on Ecropolis
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> There are firmware updates being planned by our vendor, b
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