Re: (313) analogy of the month/tribal house ...was beyer
Cyborg K wrote:
> I enjoy making love (aka deeper/mellower shit), but sometimes it's
> nice to just fuck (banging techno).
Nice one.
> PS- I'm looking for more tribal house records if anyone has any
> reccommendations, my favorite record on this tip is an old Distance
> ('96 I think) by Alton Miller.
Check out Session Recordings releases, although I haven't seen anything
recently from them. I have 2 from the label, both by a group called
Oddworx - excellent tribal house IMO. Does anyone have any other info on
this label?
Cheers,
Gerald.
Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit
First off, thank you Otto for being the voice of reason. Second: this whole discussion reminds me of how I felt about Hawtin and DJ-T1000 when I saw them in Iowa City on separate occasions this spring. I haven't heard Beyer spin, but hear he's very good. However, if it's anything like Hawtin (who is undeniably a technical master), I think I would have the same longing for some kind of melody and drum loops that last more than a bar. As I understand it, this is typical of the European techno DJing style. I don't even feel motivated to dance once the drone sets in. Since seeing Alan spin, I've read his posts with a sense of awe, in that he tends to be the designated advocate for beating techno sets, but his performance here was as funky as any I've heard (I think he clarifies his feelings on this below). He plays music with a funk core, but still tends to have aggressive beats. I did not get the same feeling from Hawtin at all. While I can marvel at what he doing with the raw materials, I don't particularly care for them. Seeing him spin was very cerebral for me, but I don't suspect this would be true for a non-DJ, or someone who doesn't know what it takes to create flawlessly at that speed. I think I have a pretty unusual feeling about this, because it's not often that beats will make me dance. I have to be into the music on some mental level before my body will respond. However, I have a purely artistic interest in watching and listening to someone beat records I don't care for, and tend to enjoy this without dancing. Weird? Flame retardant: I'm not trying to comment on the quality of the tracks, just my tastes. Has anyone else noticed the flames tend to get more aggressive on Mondays? Coincidence or the unexplained??? Tristan == PHONOPSIA<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102/index.htm "FrogboyMCI" on AOL Instant Messenger New mix, "Propper Techno" and new Album, "Québécois", online now. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 313@hyperreal.org <313@hyperreal.org> Date: Monday, May 08, 2000 11:09 AM Subject: Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit >Damn, why is everybody on here so down on Beyer ? I didn't find his set >particularly "psycho-hard". I saw him at Motor then I played with him the >next night in Pittsburgh. He plays the typical European way, very driving and >forward-moving. No build-ups or breakdowns. He does it on three decks, too, >with tons of white labels and acetates. You don't know when one record comes >in and another goes out. Very smooth. > >The funk is where you find it. I get sick of people crying about it. Slow >doesn't mean "funky". Ask Bad Brains or Living Colour. Or Jeff Mills. > >It just seems to me that, in the case of listers on the Internet, if it isn't >some chin-stroking, black-turtleneck-and-beret, Mouse on Mars/Chain Reaction >shit, people are quick to dis. Give it a rest. I like Kit Clayton and Stacey >Pullen, Adam Beyer and KDJ. Love all, serve all. > >a. > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: (313) adam beyer
>might realize how formulaic and trite their shit really is. Adam >Beyer is >no exception. Formulaic?, you could say that about anyone. Just cause they use a 909 it's formulaic. Whatever Adam Beyer's "formula" is it's sure working for me. occasionally Creepy vibe, precise drum programming, I love all his stuff. As for Stacey, he's the one who got me into this Detroit sound with his "concrete" track so I have the utmost respect for all things Detroit, I just had to put my vote in for that great, intense, FUNKY, Swedish sound. There are few artists that make my mouth water when I bring home a record of their's. Adam's one, Mills is another, Jonah Sharpe, Stacey, Lekebusch, Hood, Velvet, etc They're all different but all completely original. (Right now my top guys are Adam and John Tejada) stay electric. maestro Ps Ive heard Both Adam AND Stacey spin and I enjoyed them BOTH immensly YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit
Word... Seriously, I do like all the deeper side of house and techno, but
there is a time and place for banging techno and I think there is a kind of
funk and soul that is unique to the harder shit. For one thing, the shit
may be faster and harder, but it's not some kind of "EXTREME" overhyped teen
music or anything, and I for one think it can be sexy and keep those hips
moving, and it can still be deep even if it's not CEREBRAL. I think that
hard and percussive techno is very much an extension of a kind of tribal
aesthetic, we are electronically recreating timeless rhythmic codes that
have been used for thousands of years. Quite possibly, there is something
political in the assertion of rhythm over melody and harmony--The colonizers
were always afraid of the "satanic" drum and it's connection to sex and the
body. Beyond that though, it's dumb to have to choose between the deeper
stuff and the banging stuff. I enjoy making love (aka deeper/mellower
shit), but sometimes it's nice to just fuck (banging techno). Why dis
either?
PS- I'm looking for more tribal house records if anyone has any
reccommendations, my favorite record on this tip is an old Distance ('96 I
think) by Alton Miller. I've got the tribal techno thing under control but
I need some more shit on the housey tip, slower tempo.
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Damn, why is everybody on here so down on Beyer ? I didn't find his set
particularly "psycho-hard". I saw him at Motor then I played with him the
next night in Pittsburgh. He plays the typical European way, very driving
and
forward-moving. No build-ups or breakdowns. He does it on three decks, too,
with tons of white labels and acetates. You don't know when one record comes
in and another goes out. Very smooth.
The funk is where you find it. I get sick of people crying about it. Slow
doesn't mean "funky". Ask Bad Brains or Living Colour. Or Jeff Mills.
It just seems to me that, in the case of listers on the Internet, if it
isn't
some chin-stroking, black-turtleneck-and-beret, Mouse on Mars/Chain Reaction
shit, people are quick to dis. Give it a rest. I like Kit Clayton and Stacey
Pullen, Adam Beyer and KDJ. Love all, serve all.
a.
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Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit
Well put DJT1000. Wasn't there that night and haven't been to Detroit, but I'll be damned if I'll cast judgement on anything as opinion oriented as one's choice in music. I like the 313 because it normally eminates intelligence. It was unfortunate that our friend chose to single out a couple of DJ's in a negative light, but why waste your time starting a chain reaction of shit. Beyer has to be doing something right so that people buy so many of his Drumcode releases and I'm sure that his productions reflects his performance style, no?? Shit he's throwing down effortlessly on three tables that requires a heightened level of turntablism, right?? He sounds like he's got his shit together and not just moving a crossfader. I hope to hear him and many other styles of DJ's sometime in the near future. Everyone has the opportunity to be where he is to some extent as far as this SOB is concerned. So either start practicing or grow a pair and discuss your artistic differences with Mr. Beyer himself. Don't take other's opinions so seriously people, take them to stride and learn, well... unless you are the target. Then it's Hammurabi's Code baby! Shit, not to call myself a hypocrite, but trying to give advise like this to anyone on the internet makes me feel as cool as that fat-ass comic book store owner on the Simpsons. Peace YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
Re: (313) RNG in Netherlands
At 07:28 + 08-05-2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, any reports on Random Noise Generation on Saturday night? Hans, Otto and I went to see Lawrence Burden last Saturay in Amsterdam. The venue was some kind of semi-legal location under a highway with room for only 300 party people. First DJ of the night was Antal from the finest recordstore in Amsterdam 'Rushhour'. Playing a really nice selection of some old and new techno and electro goodies. After a little vote we decided Natal could stay :). After Antal it was time for Lawrence Burden to hit the decks. Mr. Burden played some nice and really funky techno tracks, i wish somemore dutch dj's played tracks like this. After Lawrence Burden it was time for another Rushhour DJ, hristiaan. I didn't really heard him play but i assume it was ok, maybe Marsel or Bart can fill his gap for me... -- Klaas-Jan Jongsma --- http://lowlands.hyperreal.org http://home.planet.nl/~kjongsma
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Re: (313) brinkmann
"Lance @ Inaudible" wrote: > > At 02:02 PM 5/5/2000 -0400, you wrote: > > >Speaking of Thomas, there is a 12 CD compilation released in Japan, I > >might be mistaking here, in which Thomas brinkmann released a track > >dedicated to "Ester Brinkmann" which from what I've been told was his > >sister that died when he was very young, the CD is not fully used sense, > >the outer casing is transparrent, and very experimental in design...the > >track blew my mind the first time I've heard it, it is filled with > >texture, and captures just how Thomas was feeling or might have gone > >through back then... > > Are you sure you arent referring to the Ester Brinkmann > edition in the Rastermusic 20' to 2000 series of releases? > If so, then the release you describe is on a German label. > Your description above sounds very muck like the 20 > to 2000 series in which featured one 20 minute ep (on > a 3" cd in a 5" case) a month for 12 months all done by > different artist including Ester Brinkmann, Wolfgang > Voigt, Senking, Scanner, Ryoji Ikeda, CoH, Beytone, > Ilpo Vaisanen, Mika Vainio, Elph, Komet, and Noto. > For the most part the series features experiment glitchy > ambience, electronica, and microsound but there are some > more techno oriented eps - the Brinkmann and Voigt > contributions in particular. > > For more info on this series click the 20' to 2000 link on > the official Raster-Noton website: http://www.raster-noton.de/ > > -->-Lance--- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > p.o. box 450715 > westlake, ohio 44145 > united states Yes that's it =), I definatly suggest this compilation for anyone interested in some bare bone experimental. Along with the "Ester Brinkmann" track, look for Modulation of 75hrz Sinewaves which should also be in the compilation... thanks for the info... -- .you may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. Emanuel
Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 313@hyperreal.org <313@hyperreal.org> Date: Monday, May 08, 2000 12:09 PM Subject: Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit >Damn, why is everybody on here so down on Beyer ? I didn't find his set >particularly "psycho-hard". I saw him at Motor then I played with him the >next night in Pittsburgh. He plays the typical European way, very driving and >forward-moving. No build-ups or breakdowns. He does it on three decks, too, >with tons of white labels and acetates. You don't know when one record comes >in and another goes out. Very smooth. > >The funk is where you find it. I get sick of people crying about it. Slow >doesn't mean "funky". Ask Bad Brains or Living Colour. Or Jeff Mills. Funny, in reading all these posts I was *just* thinking about Bad Brains... some of the St. Andrews shows. You can't separate hips from fists, funk from pound. And Alan is totally correct: damn, I love seeing Stacey. Damn, I love seeing Beyer. And sometimes Metallica is soulful. Give it a rest.
Saturday / Flamingo / foundation / NYC
TrooSkool!! damn!! much respect to vikas and kimian (sp?) showed me much welcome... heather hart and magda rocked me down to the floor saturday, girl dj's dropping all the nasty and deep electronic jacked out house tracks. Flamingo was a pretty dope spot, I'm only guessing the move to the new space will be a step up, Thanks guys! brilliant time!! -Giles.
Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit
Damn, why is everybody on here so down on Beyer ? I didn't find his set particularly "psycho-hard". I saw him at Motor then I played with him the next night in Pittsburgh. He plays the typical European way, very driving and forward-moving. No build-ups or breakdowns. He does it on three decks, too, with tons of white labels and acetates. You don't know when one record comes in and another goes out. Very smooth. The funk is where you find it. I get sick of people crying about it. Slow doesn't mean "funky". Ask Bad Brains or Living Colour. Or Jeff Mills. It just seems to me that, in the case of listers on the Internet, if it isn't some chin-stroking, black-turtleneck-and-beret, Mouse on Mars/Chain Reaction shit, people are quick to dis. Give it a rest. I like Kit Clayton and Stacey Pullen, Adam Beyer and KDJ. Love all, serve all. a.
RE: (313) adam beyer in detroit
I like Cari Lekebusch better than Adam Beyer for exactly the same reason. While Adam has a tendancy to focus on hard beats and loops Cari also adds interesting sounds, effects, twists and turns. I must admit that the last album by Beyer was already better, but still I feel a bit sorry I bought it because it remains there in my record boxes. It's a feeling that crept onto me the last two years; I don't buy all this hardlooped stuff anymore unless it has something special that makes it unique and inspiring. A good example are some tracks by Alessandro F on Kobayashi and the label in general. I also liked the new album by James Ruskin: Point 2. It should be in the stores by now. I also am lucky to have received an advanced copy of 'Against Nature' by Karl -Regis- 'O Connor and Peter - Female- Sutton. Needs checking! John -Original Message- From: Hodgson, S. R. (Sean) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 5:49 PM To: Jason Birchmeier; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit In reply to what Jason wrote, I totally agree that Adam Beyer & Cari Lekebusch along with all the other Swedish artist that produce percussive driving Techno have created a hole new and distinct type of sound and do take it to a different level and "can not" be compared to most European Dj's and Artist. Everybody talks about how innovative the Detroit artist were. The Swed's are just as innovative with their own unique style of music as well. Cari Lekebusch is a master when it comes to sampling and adding just the right amount of effects to his tracks. I guess the point im stressing is that Swedish percussive music by all means is very distinct and unique and should be appreciated. And if you think its just hard techno were you throw your fist in the air and are sore after your done "Your right". So what, If you really listen to that type of music you would see that their is alot of physical and emotional feeling involved s s ss s s Jason Birchmeier wrote: > > I agree that it would be totally illogical to have Beyer as a resident. > Guess I'm just bitter about all the house and prog house that Motor has > booked for the next month or two. I bleed techno... > > But I'm still going to support Beyer whether he's from Europe or Antartica. > A good DJ is a good DJ. > > I love most of the Detroit DJs probably about as much as the rest of you, > but Beyer takes techno to a level few people can handle. You really can't > compare him to your generic Euro DJ. I'm sure that hard techno isn't for > everyone. The way I see it, some techno you feel emotionally. Other techno > you feel physically. And like I said, not since Hawtin have I danced to a > DJ that has sent me home sore and truly exhausted. > > Maybe I'm just a sick person with a little more energy and drive than most. > But I sure wasn't the only one loving the music on Friday. What got me most > excited was seeing so many other people let loose and truly get down. > > It's cool to kick back with a drink and nod your head to some laid back > music. But nowadays, it seems that way to many people come to Motor just to > kick back, nod their head and check out the fly ladies. Beyer was > refreshing in the fact that, first of all, he scared away the posers and, > secondly, made people go insane. > > I have respect for DJs from Detroit, but I'm not going to be prejudice > against Beyer just because he's from Europe. I'm sure there are quite a few > people on this list from Europe. Should I dis them? > > Besides, in my eyes, Beyer's just continuing the foundation laid by > Detroit-area artists such as Richie Hawtin and Dan Bell. Melody and funk > are discarded for sheer aggression and rhythm. I have no problem with that. > In fact, I'd like to see a little more of it around these parts. All I hear > is house whenever I go out. > > In sum, so many techno DJs put me to sleep. I prefer music that I can feel > emotionally. Unfortunately, few DJs can truly evoke sentiment well, in my > opinion. So if I can't feel it in my heart, I'd just as well feel it in my > body. > > You just can't dis Beyer for being from Europe. You should support DJs for > their music not for political reasons. > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) adam beyer in detroit
jason said: >>>I love most of the Detroit DJs probably about as much as the rest of you, but Beyer takes techno to a level few people can handle. Maybe I'm just a sick person with a little more energy and drive than most. But I sure wasn't the only one loving the music on Friday. What got me most excited was seeing so many other people let loose and truly get down. In sum, so many techno DJs put me to sleep. I prefer music that I can feel emotionally. Unfortunately, few DJs can truly evoke sentiment well, in my opinion. So if I can't feel it in my heart, I'd just as well feel it in my body.>>> how old are you?
Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit
" Everybody talks about how innovative the Detroit artist were. " "WERE" h. -Giles.
Re: (313) Theo Parrish new release
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Is this mixtape available online anywhere? Any chance the Submerge > crew stocks mixtapes? Last time I checked they didn't have any Theo Parrish mixtapes. Record Time does though. Happy hunting! Otto, who probably needs a replacement for his copy of the 'last of 97' mixtape...
Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit
In reply to what Jason wrote, I totally agree that Adam Beyer & Cari Lekebusch along with all the other Swedish artist that produce percussive driving Techno have created a hole new and distinct type of sound and do take it to a different level and "can not" be compared to most European Dj's and Artist. Everybody talks about how innovative the Detroit artist were. The Swed's are just as innovative with their own unique style of music as well. Cari Lekebusch is a master when it comes to sampling and adding just the right amount of effects to his tracks. I guess the point im stressing is that Swedish percussive music by all means is very distinct and unique and should be appreciated. And if you think its just hard techno were you throw your fist in the air and are sore after your done "Your right". So what, If you really listen to that type of music you would see that their is alot of physical and emotional feeling involved s s ss s s Jason Birchmeier wrote: > > I agree that it would be totally illogical to have Beyer as a resident. > Guess I'm just bitter about all the house and prog house that Motor has > booked for the next month or two. I bleed techno... > > But I'm still going to support Beyer whether he's from Europe or Antartica. > A good DJ is a good DJ. > > I love most of the Detroit DJs probably about as much as the rest of you, > but Beyer takes techno to a level few people can handle. You really can't > compare him to your generic Euro DJ. I'm sure that hard techno isn't for > everyone. The way I see it, some techno you feel emotionally. Other techno > you feel physically. And like I said, not since Hawtin have I danced to a > DJ that has sent me home sore and truly exhausted. > > Maybe I'm just a sick person with a little more energy and drive than most. > But I sure wasn't the only one loving the music on Friday. What got me most > excited was seeing so many other people let loose and truly get down. > > It's cool to kick back with a drink and nod your head to some laid back > music. But nowadays, it seems that way to many people come to Motor just to > kick back, nod their head and check out the fly ladies. Beyer was > refreshing in the fact that, first of all, he scared away the posers and, > secondly, made people go insane. > > I have respect for DJs from Detroit, but I'm not going to be prejudice > against Beyer just because he's from Europe. I'm sure there are quite a few > people on this list from Europe. Should I dis them? > > Besides, in my eyes, Beyer's just continuing the foundation laid by > Detroit-area artists such as Richie Hawtin and Dan Bell. Melody and funk > are discarded for sheer aggression and rhythm. I have no problem with that. > In fact, I'd like to see a little more of it around these parts. All I hear > is house whenever I go out. > > In sum, so many techno DJs put me to sleep. I prefer music that I can feel > emotionally. Unfortunately, few DJs can truly evoke sentiment well, in my > opinion. So if I can't feel it in my heart, I'd just as well feel it in my > body. > > You just can't dis Beyer for being from Europe. You should support DJs for > their music not for political reasons. > >
adam beyer in detroit
-Original Message- From: Otto Koppius [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 10:20 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject:Re: (313) Adam beyer in detroit cont. The whole issue of Europeans receiving a much warmer welcome than comparative US/local DJs in Detroit is by no means unique. The same happens the other way around in Europe and I would suspect in other places around the world as well. As they say in Dutch: "What you get from far away, tastes good". A local DJ playing the exact same set as the international DJ will get a much lesser response. Which perpetuates the status quo. Otto Your remarks are probably the most level headed of anybody who has commented on the 'adam beyer in detroit' conflagration. My scathing criticisms were born out of the frustration that arises from the 'grass is greener on the other side' philosophy, an approach erroneously assumed by so many people in the Detroit area. God forbid they should someday find themselves living in southern Virginia, which is the case with me. As they say in English "You don't know what you got till it's gone". bill
Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit
is it possible that you are a motherfucking psycho ignorant? -Original Message- From: underground fighters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: trak head <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: 313@hyperreal.org <313@hyperreal.org> Date: Monday, May 08, 2000 11:35 AM Subject: Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit >good that Adam Beyer plays out of Europe ;-)) because >we don't need so a motherfucking psycho hard DJ. >That's only music for teenies on speed. >
Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit
Hrm.. That's an odd sentiment. Motor isn't the only club in this town by any means, and with the DEMF coming up, I don't see anything to complain about. All I know is that I'm gonna go to hart plaza, and see the man who can make my hips and fists dance at the same time: shake! > Haye! > > > Too bad Motor doesn't bring in > > people like Beyer for their residency's rather than DJs such as Dave Ralph > > and Stacy Pullen.
Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit
Haye! > Too bad Motor doesn't bring in > people like Beyer for their residency's rather than DJs such as Dave Ralph > and Stacy Pullen. *** No, too bad I don't get to see Stacey more often here in Europe. The diference between Stacey and Beyer is that you get to dance with your hips, not with your fists... *** Stacey will get you dancing all night long, and your body won't be sored cause it's not suposed to feel like that heavy metal show you were talking about. I have a (somewhat old) interview with Stacey at the Counterforce site (http://barkingcat.org/counterforce) where Stacey refered to the music in the days of the "rave peak" as "rock'n'roll with a house beat". *** My opinion is that we're talking two completely different leagues here when we try to match Beyer and Stacey in a scale. Stacey funks the crowd and is a Class-A DJ who knows his *music*, he is a top Detroit DJ and producer who deserves every credit he gets. I like my harder techno too, but give me Stacey Pullen everyday over Adam Beyer. Not dissing Beyer here, but there is simply no possible comparison. Lay "Um Império Tecnológico consolidado pela Necessidade" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: (313) Theo Parrish new release
Is this mixtape available online anywhere? Any chance the Submerge crew stocks mixtapes? T At Sat, 06 May 2000 21:21:20 GMT, "every man" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >It's possible it may be one of the 5 new trks on S.S. #9 (dbl pack), however >only the whites are out now w/ no track listing. >Also, Theo's new mixtape (methods of movement) has at least one or two >tracks on it that are definitely his, but unreleased to my knowledge... > >.06 IMPORTANT NOTICE: If you are not using HushMail, this message could have been read easily by the many people who have access to your open personal email messages. Get your FREE, totally secure email address at http://www.hushmail.com.
RE: (313) adam beyer in detroit
I agree that it would be totally illogical to have Beyer as a resident. Guess I'm just bitter about all the house and prog house that Motor has booked for the next month or two. I bleed techno... But I'm still going to support Beyer whether he's from Europe or Antartica. A good DJ is a good DJ. I love most of the Detroit DJs probably about as much as the rest of you, but Beyer takes techno to a level few people can handle. You really can't compare him to your generic Euro DJ. I'm sure that hard techno isn't for everyone. The way I see it, some techno you feel emotionally. Other techno you feel physically. And like I said, not since Hawtin have I danced to a DJ that has sent me home sore and truly exhausted. Maybe I'm just a sick person with a little more energy and drive than most. But I sure wasn't the only one loving the music on Friday. What got me most excited was seeing so many other people let loose and truly get down. It's cool to kick back with a drink and nod your head to some laid back music. But nowadays, it seems that way to many people come to Motor just to kick back, nod their head and check out the fly ladies. Beyer was refreshing in the fact that, first of all, he scared away the posers and, secondly, made people go insane. I have respect for DJs from Detroit, but I'm not going to be prejudice against Beyer just because he's from Europe. I'm sure there are quite a few people on this list from Europe. Should I dis them? Besides, in my eyes, Beyer's just continuing the foundation laid by Detroit-area artists such as Richie Hawtin and Dan Bell. Melody and funk are discarded for sheer aggression and rhythm. I have no problem with that. In fact, I'd like to see a little more of it around these parts. All I hear is house whenever I go out. In sum, so many techno DJs put me to sleep. I prefer music that I can feel emotionally. Unfortunately, few DJs can truly evoke sentiment well, in my opinion. So if I can't feel it in my heart, I'd just as well feel it in my body. You just can't dis Beyer for being from Europe. You should support DJs for their music not for political reasons. -Original Message- From: underground fighters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 5:34 AM To: trak head Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit good that Adam Beyer plays out of Europe ;-)) because we don't need so a motherfucking psycho hard DJ. That's only music for teenies on speed. --- trak head <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >...Too bad Motor doesn't bring in people like Beyer > for their >residency's > >rather than DJs such as Dave Ralph and Stacy > Pullen. > > whoh, hold on a minute. > don't go there. Stacey is FROM detroit and fuckin > rocks shit anyway you > slice it. I personally like Beyer but his diversity > is music doesn't > compare to Mr Pullen's. Adam will play the same > bangin ass hard set whether > it's 12, 2, or 6am. Not all crowds respond to this > ritual beating of the > eardrums. It's good, and I'm sure the set you heard > was amazing, but as far > as a resident goes, homeboys of detroit RULE. > By the way, it would cost a fortune to fly him over > from Stolkholm every > week, or month for that matter. > > I HAD TO DISAGREE- > Detroit has the best talent in the > world(collectively) > for the music we all listen too, support the home > team. > > respect always, > T > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Acacia/WoW contact info
I know the Acacia folks posted their info just recently, but my sister's best friend is in contact with a small army of house/techno/garage female DJ's in Seattle. They're looking to contact Women on Wax and Acacia and any other interested parties in order to find some booking in town here, and also to bring some of the wonderful Detroit talent out West. Thanks for any contact info n8
Re: (313)Help!!
The release you're talking about are Thomas Brinkmann records. They're from the Max Ernst series. So far as I can tell there are 10 or 11 releases in the series thus far. Take a close look at the vinyl and you'll notice that you can actually see the music pressed into the records. Thomas experimented using knives to cut grooves into some of his records (from the center out, perpendicular to the grooves in the record). If the tempo of the vinyl is 133 1/3 bpm the cuts translate into sounds that keep time. The Max Ernst series is an extension of this experimentation. Thomas presses the vinyl in such away that you can actually see the music. Take a close look and you'll see what I mean. Max Ernst = 1 - Anna / Beate 2 - Clara / Doris 3 - Erika / Frauke 4 - Gisela / Heidi 5 - Inge / Jutta 6 - Karin / Lotte 7 - Monika / Nicola 8 - Olag / Petra 9 - Susie / Trixie 10 - Ulla / Verra - Matty Niall wrote: > > A few months ago I picked up a record simply titled "Ulla" b/w "Vera", two > tracks on each side > of deep dubby techno with the titles in orange print on a lilac label - > absolutely no other > information on it. Last week I then found "Susie" b/w "Trixie" with orange > print on a black > label, again nothing other than the name! > > Does anyone know anything about these? I'm guessing that the alphabetical > sequence 'S/T' 'U/V' > is not just a coincidence and that there is (possibly!) 11 or so more of them > out there. If > anyone's got any info on who's to take the credit for these or what the > others in the series > are like, I would greatly appreciate it as I do think these 2 are rather good. > > Thanks, > > ))\ )) o ___ )) )) > (( \(( (( ((_(, (( ((... > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matt Trinneer PHN: 519-824-4120 x4360 Information Technology Coordinator FAX: 519-767-1670 Student Housing ServicesE-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of GuelphWeb: www.housing.uoguelph.ca Guelph, Ontario, N1G 2W1ICQ: 21880434
Re: (313) Adam beyer in detroit cont.
The whole issue of Europeans receiving a much warmer welcome than comparative US/local DJs in Detroit is by no means unique. The same happens the other way around in Europe and I would suspect in other places around the world as well. As they say in Dutch: "What you get from far away, tastes good". A local DJ playing the exact same set as the international DJ will get a much lesser response. Which perpetuates the status quo. Otto
Adam beyer in detroit cont.
I don't disagree with the assertion that there are europeans doing innovative stuff. I would be ignorant to overlook people like Squarepusher, Scanner, Aphex etc. I used the phrase "by and large" as a disclaimer. However, I do not lump Beyer in with the aforementioned musicians. Furthermore, I still feel that the vast majority of european dj's can be qualified by my previous description. This is my opinion though. It's based on a large degree of personal experience, but it's still just an opinion. I would also have to maintain that dj's can indeed be divided by the Atlantic. There are many notable exceptions to this rule, as there is to any rule. But, in general, you're dealing with different styles on either continent. This is the necessary result of dealing with two different audiences who appreciate different things. One would be hard pressed to say that Europeans and Americans are the same after all.
Re: (313) Jeff Mills - The Art of Connecting
It's an Axis release - issued in certain countries, including Australia. Hardware Records, which is DJ/promoter Richie 'Richie Rich' McNeill's label, is releasing it here. It has a mix of new and classic material. Jeff is pitching it as album and not a compilation. He recently toured Australia on the back of it. Tracklisting: Deckard Nepta Gamma Player 4 Art Pacific State Of Mind Cobolt The Bells Java UFO Utopia For more info: www.hardwarecorp.com.au It's great.
Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit
It's pretty silly dividing dj's into European and American. There's good and bad in both. Granted, my favourite dj moments have been provided by Americans, but I've seen some excellent European performers: I just saw Herbert lay down a very solid set Saturday night. I've seen Beyer twice and thought he was pretty good. He does what he does: hard techno. I'm sure if you asked he'd tell you he's been inspired by the usual Detroit suspects. It's really stupid to throw him in with the Eurotrance cheesemeisters. And talking about Herbert, he put on a great live show before he dj'd. Hard to tell what he was doing exactly. He had Dani Siciliano on vocals, and someone (whose name I can't remember) on keyboards, and he was running back and forward between a whole lot of equipment, throwing live samples into one of three microphones then running back to his sampler and doing silly stuff with it. He was doing the same sought of thing with Dani's vocals. She would sing fairly straight into one of the microphones, get her voice sampled in another and then in the third I think Herbert was running her voice through a bunch of effects. It looked a little chaotic, but everything played smoothly. I think the backing drums were running off a DAT, because all the tracks were discrete, rock and roll style, with room for applause before the next kicked off. Anyway, there's a European doing some innovative stuff. Cheers Rol Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Jeff Mills - The Art of Connecting
Does anyone have some more info regarding this release ? New stuff or just a compilation ? Any good ? Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit
What does this mean? The level of thought displayed on this list is inspiring..Let me guess, you play disco-trance...
Re: (313) $onicgroove: clearly all about their benjamins...
Art Payne is still doing what he always does. http://www.dmadance.com/urban/default.asp Excuse me for stepping out and saying this, but Art is *da man*. phred
adam beyer
European DJ's, by and large, are boring and fuckin' cheesed out. People at home (Detroit) have always annoyed me because they don't appreciate what they have. I have lived in Chicago, London and presently Virginia Beach. I've seen a slew of crap-ass euro dj's every weekend in London spinning the same boring-as-shit set. These are the same Dj's that come to Detroit and 'rock the house' because there is a prevalent notion among local kids that "European must be better".If they spent more than one night in town, you might realize how formulaic and trite their shit really is. Adam Beyer is no exception.
Re: (313) $onicgroove: clearly all about their benjamins...
> Shit no matter wheather you like Bones or not he's been around. Yea, he's been around and you can even say he's a techno pioneer with tracks like "call it techno", all those bonesbreaks breaking bones records, and one of my favorites "voodoo doll - women beat their men." Lets not forget about those classic NY techno-house-break records that came out on Nu Groove. Groove records was a pretty influential techno shop back in the day, The last techno strong hold in the states until Progressive House won the battle and forever ruined dance music. I remember when Kevin Saunderson dissed Groove in some magazine (i think it was urb) back in 92" when he was going through his hardcore break beat faze, calling them new beat. And Danny Breakz from Suburban Base writing an angry letter to UOS trashing techno calling it chain saw music. I would always read the techno-rave report by Frankie Bones in Streetsounds, just about the only interesting thing in that mag... oh, there was Detroit Word by Art Payne in the back of streetsounds, wonder what ever happened to him. I still give Groove (Sonic Groove) high marks, just came back from NY and had no problemo finding the records i wanted (Yes, I did get the Expo 2000 rmx hehe) also picked up a great deal of records at Temple, great store. found Inner City - Paradise Remixed on Virgin UK for $11.99 at Tower records near other music, love the Steve Silk Hurley remix. o.k. i'll stop babbling now So Rob Gee don't you think that's a little fast? " fast...IT'S FUCKING FAST!"
Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit
good that Adam Beyer plays out of Europe ;-)) because we don't need so a motherfucking psycho hard DJ. That's only music for teenies on speed. --- trak head <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >...Too bad Motor doesn't bring in people like Beyer > for their >residency's > >rather than DJs such as Dave Ralph and Stacy > Pullen. > > whoh, hold on a minute. > don't go there. Stacey is FROM detroit and fuckin > rocks shit anyway you > slice it. I personally like Beyer but his diversity > is music doesn't > compare to Mr Pullen's. Adam will play the same > bangin ass hard set whether > it's 12, 2, or 6am. Not all crowds respond to this > ritual beating of the > eardrums. It's good, and I'm sure the set you heard > was amazing, but as far > as a resident goes, homeboys of detroit RULE. > By the way, it would cost a fortune to fly him over > from Stolkholm every > week, or month for that matter. > > I HAD TO DISAGREE- > Detroit has the best talent in the > world(collectively) > for the music we all listen too, support the home > team. > > respect always, > T > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
BleepbloopRadio Playlist
Friend, BleepbloopRadio is about introducing new music to Pittsburgh listeners. Three years strong, the show continues to be one of Pittsburgh's best and most tuned into techno radio shows. Tune in every Sunday night from 11pm-1am (EST) on WRCT, 88.3FM, or on the Web at http://www.wrct.org. * NEWS! * Spinning at Metropol and Pluto's this weekend was a blast and it's going to happen again very soon. Stay tuned for dates. Are you a promoter in Moscow, Russia looking to book a techno-house DJ in mid July? :) Drop me a line. seriously. BleepbloopRadio is featured on Beatseek.com. BleepbloopRadio mix CDs can be ordered real cheap from s://kimo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please send records and label news to: Aaron Michelson c/o BleepbloopRadio. 4716 Ellsworth Ave. #804 Pittsburgh, PA 15213 Phone: 412-802-7214 :: Playlist for 04-30-00 Some new chilled house tunes and a some IDM and experimental stuff in the second hour. Theorem vs. Swayzak - thx 2 - Interstate (M_Nus) Sven Vath - Contact - Smuggler (Ultra) Mantrac - Insect Kingdom - Hydro_Panic (Plink Plonk) Timewriter - Dr. Goodtime - Go On (Plastic City) Natural Rhythm - Polyphonic - Fundamental (Seasons) Chris Gray - Emotional Distortion - Drownin' in You (Trackmode) Velocette - Re EP - John Tejada remix (Palette) Terry Lee Brown Jr - Brother For Real - City Lights (Plastic City) Tom Churchill - Personal Interpretation - Original mix (Headspace) First Light - Moment of Silence - Touch Time (Plastic City) Boo Williams - Mistic Dreams - Chrissy Jazz (Ovum) Layo & Bushwaka! - Low Life - Brass (End) Trash Aesthetic - Staedtizism - Pavonia mix (~Scape) Toys - Boston Not London vol. 1 - Technology Scum (CFOM) Slider - Remixes - Delarosa & Devine remix (Hefty) Stephen Vitiello - Scratchy Marimba - Forget What You Came For (Sulphur) Ensemble - Sketch Proposals - Track 1 (Rephlex) Bogdan Raczynski - Ibiza Anthems vol. 4 - Death to the Natives (Rephlex) Sun Electric - Staedtizism - Echelon (~Scape) Layo & Bushwaka! - Low Life - Chapter One (End) DJ Food - Kaleidescope - The Sky at Night (Ninja Tune) :: Playlist for 05-07-00 Wicked. house and techno meet // nice new tracks from Timewriter (as JFC) and Terry Lee Brown Jr. (as Fonka Delix)... can't wait for the new JFC full length later this month. :) I think I played too much Plastic City tonight. Oh wait, is there such a thing? :) Circulation - Colors Sampler - Crimson (Circulation) Timewriter - Dr. Goodtime - Siren Song (Plastic City) 2 Smokin' Barrels - Basses Loaded - Main mix (Yoshitoshi) Dub Tech Soundsystem - Sideshow Bob EP - Hawaiian Bells (Intrinsic Design) The Modernist - Explosion - Fade Like Glenn (Matador) G. Pal - Passion EP - Angel Deep Jazzy (Plastic City) Fonka Delix - My Life - Ganja Mist (Plastic City) JFC - Strange New World - Original mix (Elektrolux) Aesoteric 3 - ?? - B1 (??) Soul Ascendants - Rise - Original mix (Nuphonic) Autonomous Soul - Life Music - Let Me take You (Low Pressings) Leon Alexander - Where It's At - Remix (Hope) E.B.E. - Retroactive Funk - Blissful (Jump) Terry Lee Brown Jr - Brother For Real - Bad House Music (Plastic City) GLF - Convergence - Criss Cross (Plastic City) Jamie Anderson - Expressions - Timo Maas remix (Hope) Circulation - Turquoise - A-side (Circulation) Aztec Mystic - Revenge of the Jaguar - Octave One remix (UR) Heckmann / Verbos - Sequenced - III (Wavescape) Shawn Rudiman - Secrets - DJ Misjah remix (X-Trax) Destination - Definition of Love - Original mix (In-Tec) Kosmic Messenger - Subterrain 002.2 - Polyphonic Destruction (End) Spicelab - Spy Hard - Terry's mix (Spy vs. Spice)
RNG in Netherlands
So, any reports on Random Noise Generation on Saturday night? Fred
Re: (313) Something way OT: Audiomulch
_Caltrop _ wrote: > Has anybody used Audiomulch, yet? > It seems to be a pretty frrreshhh program for making PC-based music > [besides Fast Tracker II :) ]. > check www.audiomulch.com audiomulch is great-- i just love that granular delay. now if only i could get around to registering the thing... glyn
Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit
...Too bad Motor doesn't bring in people like Beyer for their >residency's rather than DJs such as Dave Ralph and Stacy Pullen. whoh, hold on a minute. don't go there. Stacey is FROM detroit and fuckin rocks shit anyway you slice it. I personally like Beyer but his diversity is music doesn't compare to Mr Pullen's. Adam will play the same bangin ass hard set whether it's 12, 2, or 6am. Not all crowds respond to this ritual beating of the eardrums. It's good, and I'm sure the set you heard was amazing, but as far as a resident goes, homeboys of detroit RULE. By the way, it would cost a fortune to fly him over from Stolkholm every week, or month for that matter. I HAD TO DISAGREE- Detroit has the best talent in the world(collectively) for the music we all listen too, support the home team. respect always, T Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
theo parrish
ulp! don't know if it was 313 or techhouse.. the flow radio posted that the new theo parrish lp is out WOOHOO! called parrallel dimensions...drool anyone know what label / tracklist / online retail? THANX! p
adam beyer in detroit
Went to see Adam Beyer at Motor on Friday and couldn't believe the response he got from the crowd. People were going nuts. Of the mostly full dancefloor that I walked into at midnight, probably 75% stayed there and just went manic. It took people a good half-hour to get sucked into his hard vibes, but by that point I began to feel like I was at a heavy metal show. People were just going for it, dancing like crazy and needing lots of space. Helped me tap into my testosterone. The coolest part about the frantic vibes was the amount of females getting down. Something about attractive women dancing hard to techno and dark DnB is just so cool and sexy! Anyway, walked in at midnight just as he took the decks. Most of the first half of his set was fairly minimal stuff in terms of content. Just percussion and basslines. He would mix in a new record every few minutes, letting the tracks play out long enough for you to get lost in the dense rhythms. A little over halfway through, he mixed in the original mix of "Jaguar" very seamlessly. That got people going nuts and signalled a change of pace. >From there until he finished at 2:30, he started picking up the pace. Faster and harder records with faster mixing. It got to the point that people were pumping their fists in the air, cheering, yelling and screaming. Some young kids even climbed up on the front of the DJ booth and were getting the crowd pumped up. Overall, the energy was massive. Very raw, very primal and very masculine. By the end, I felt like I'd just finished working out. Rarely do I dance so hard that I go home sore and truly dehydrated. Towards the end of the set, I kept thinking to myself "this is what it must feel like to be insane." For real. This was up there with making it through one of Richie Hawtin's six-hour sets. You wake up sore in the morning. I'd do it again in a heartbeat though. Too bad Motor doesn't bring in people like Beyer for their residency's rather than DJs such as Dave Ralph and Stacy Pullen. later JasonB
RE: (313) DEMF After Hours
I agree with this one. Acquaviva is great at what he does, but he's always around. This festival is a chance for many to see people you normally won't get to see. Also, Linda's right about them closing at 2. Just as you get your groove on, they pull the plug and send you home. -Original Message- From: Gerald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 9:25 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) DEMF After Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Sunday night would be kewl. Yes indeed it would! Everybody can go see Mr. Acquaviva the next time he comes to a 'city near you'. > Isn't the 430 West on Saturday night? > That's a must-do for me. Ditto. Gerald - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Something way OT: Audiomulch
audiomulch is an awesome program. i have used it extensively for granualization and spatialization experiments. my only beef would be that the sequencer doesn't support swing but the rest of the program is amazing. Twerk _Caltrop _ wrote: > Has anybody used Audiomulch, yet? > It seems to be a pretty frrreshhh program for making PC-based music > [besides Fast Tracker II :) ]. > check www.audiomulch.com > > Chris > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Something way OT: Audiomulch
Has anybody used Audiomulch, yet? It seems to be a pretty frrreshhh program for making PC-based music [besides Fast Tracker II :) ]. check www.audiomulch.com Chris Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
RE: (313) I LOVE YOU steals your passwords!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote > Now if only I had the money to buy a Mac ;-) If you pay for shipping i'll give you a Mac IIci. But with an address like yours, you really should be using BeOS. :) --Eric http://objektsynth.com
