Re: (313) Re: No play in the USA (was Movement I-F discussion)
>> I'm open to discuss this and maybe get some insight on what "our" problem over exposure to music, movies, and tv commercials... if what you hear or see doesn't overwhelm us then it's boring...insaitable desire for greater stimuli b
RE: (313) Claude Young and MXF Pioneer in Berlin last Saturday
If you want info on the MFX8, check here: http://www.grexultra.com/erol.html Nice piece of kit and a lethal weapon at the same time... Martin -Original Message- From: Deep Sea Dweller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 April 2004 15:35 To: ian cheshire Cc: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Claude Young and MXF Pioneer in Berlin last Saturday first off its not Pioneer that makes that fader box your talking about.its called the MXF8 made by Grexultra...the same people who made the infamous Notron. Ben Long and Paula Temple were the first to use this new piece and Claude saw it and wanted production model #1 They are still kinda buggy thats why they have not been fully released yet but soon they will be available for all..look for the Advent to have one next in his live showsbut yes it does add an amazing kinda interaction between Ableton Live and the dji'm sure Claude loves his judging by his reaction when he saw Ben Longs.wish i could have heard his set. take care michael www.renegaderhythms.com > Well what can I say but the man sure knows his gadgets and as > the sets were all recorded I hope to get these up (with his permission) > sometime in the next 2 weeks. > > He used Ableton Live and the MXF Pioneer to amazing effect, dropping > new/old/quirky tracks > whislt using the sampling of like doctor who etc over the top. He said he > only > starting using it the night b4 but he new it inside out, well it seemed > that > way :) > > The thing that really got me is that he was not totally laptop'd out he > used > the decks > as well as he said he feels he still needs to interact and with the mixer > and decks he > can. Also the pioneer has its own cross fader and with upto 8 storage > banks > you can > basically mix 8 sounds and cut the tracks/loops/samples etc etc hopw you > would on a normal > mixer, I have to say I was very very impressed byt this piece of kit. > > So remember to checkout his mix on Proton Radio this Wednesday, I am sure > it > will > bring back memories for me :) > > Cheers > Ian > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/04 > >
Re: (313) Claude Young and MXF Pioneer in Berlin last Saturday
- Original Message - From: "Deep Sea Dweller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ian cheshire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:34 PM Subject: Re: (313) Claude Young and MXF Pioneer in Berlin last Saturday > look for the Advent to have one next in his live shows... Any idea when? He's @ Fabric next Saturday. Would like to hear it first-hand! Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) No play in the USA (was Movement I-F discussion)
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 6:41 PM Subject: Re: (313) No play in the USA (was Movement I-F discussion) > obviously there isn't an audience - but why? I have no idea why. Clearly, I'm not a big DJ but I had a radio show for five years, and DJ'd out with some consistency from '92-'02 in the states, so I have a decent view of the troubles radio DJs, club DJs and promoters have faced in small and large markets in the US. For instance, Baltimore/DC is the 4th largest music market in the US, and you could probably count the number of Detroit DJs that have played there in the last five years on your fingers, and all of the bigger names that once lived there (Stewart Walker, Christian Smith, John Selway???) moved as soon as they could from what I can tell. Brian Zentz would be one of the few counter-examples to this (and not really in that area IIRC) but he's had a following in that scene for a long time - since before progressive crap completely took over. Stewart Walker on the other hand didn't get a chance to play in DC until a few years after he moved away, and he already had records on Tresor and Force Inc. at that point. If I had to point my finger at anything, I'd say the biggest problem for building an audience in the states is that so few people ever get enough time with deeper, or more difficult styles before they ditch electronic music all together. You see the same thing everywhere, but in the states I think the proportion of those that 'crack through' is much less equal. In the UK and Europe I think there's a lot of differences, like the lingering impact of acid house on today's older clubbers and in the states there is more of a racial divide in clubbing, but I won't bother beating that dead horse any more on this occasion. For me, the motivation to move to the UK was less inspired by DJing opportunities than that I would have the chance to actually get to enjoy a vital scene with some regularity sometime before I keel over. 11 years of fighting against audience disinterest gets pretty damn tiring. At some point it becomes more important to allow yourself to enjoy your time with the music you've immersed yourself in, and for me the best way to do that was to move myself to the scene that held the most interest. Obviously I was really lucky to be able to do that. And as others have said, the political climate adds that much more incentive. Re: the schools. I think this is f*cking appauling - as if it wasn't bad enough already. Am I reading right that Granholm authorized this? I mean, clearly the money has to come from somewhere, but I thought she was meant to be fairly liberal. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Pump up the Volume
there's a book that accompanies this - saw it at Borders MEK Minto George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org o.com> cc: Subject: (313) Pump up the Volume 04/05/04 05:21 PM great documentary! check it out! posted on the deep house page. also vol. 2 & 3...sit back and grab a bag of popcorn and enjoy, minto http://deephousepage.com/pumpupthevolume.ram http://www.mattladner.com/putv/pumpupthevolume2.rm http://www.mattladner.com/putv/pumpupthevolume3.rm = down low music http://downlowmusic.org UPCOMING '04 East Island vs The Moderator dL011 OUT NOW Iridite Productions "The Acceptable Face of Elitist Techno" dL012 MAR __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/
Re: (313) Claude Young and MXF Pioneer in Berlin last Saturday
first off its not Pioneer that makes that fader box your talking about.its called the MXF8 made by Grexultra...the same people who made the infamous Notron. Ben Long and Paula Temple were the first to use this new piece and Claude saw it and wanted production model #1 They are still kinda buggy thats why they have not been fully released yet but soon they will be available for all..look for the Advent to have one next in his live showsbut yes it does add an amazing kinda interaction between Ableton Live and the dji'm sure Claude loves his judging by his reaction when he saw Ben Longs.wish i could have heard his set. take care michael www.renegaderhythms.com > Well what can I say but the man sure knows his gadgets and as > the sets were all recorded I hope to get these up (with his permission) > sometime in the next 2 weeks. > > He used Ableton Live and the MXF Pioneer to amazing effect, dropping > new/old/quirky tracks > whislt using the sampling of like doctor who etc over the top. He said he > only > starting using it the night b4 but he new it inside out, well it seemed > that > way :) > > The thing that really got me is that he was not totally laptop'd out he > used > the decks > as well as he said he feels he still needs to interact and with the mixer > and decks he > can. Also the pioneer has its own cross fader and with upto 8 storage > banks > you can > basically mix 8 sounds and cut the tracks/loops/samples etc etc hopw you > would on a normal > mixer, I have to say I was very very impressed byt this piece of kit. > > So remember to checkout his mix on Proton Radio this Wednesday, I am sure > it > will > bring back memories for me :) > > Cheers > Ian > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/04 > >
(313) Pump up the Volume
great documentary! check it out! posted on the deep house page. also vol. 2 & 3...sit back and grab a bag of popcorn and enjoy, minto http://deephousepage.com/pumpupthevolume.ram http://www.mattladner.com/putv/pumpupthevolume2.rm http://www.mattladner.com/putv/pumpupthevolume3.rm = down low music http://downlowmusic.org UPCOMING '04 East Island vs The Moderator dL011 OUT NOW Iridite Productions "The Acceptable Face of Elitist Techno" dL012 MAR __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/
(313) tonight in chicago
tonight, monday, april 5 interrupt media group + subsystence present a new chicago monthly: INFLUENCE. featuring selections from COMMON FACTOR [tactile, planet e] JOSH WERNER [antennae inc.] MATTY [untitled] KEN + KARL MEIER [interrupt media] 9 pm - 2 am 21+ no cover $2 pbr www.interrupt-media.com www.subsystence.net www.sonotheque.net hope to see you there -- please forward at will
Re: (313) Claude Young and MXF Pioneer in Berlin last Saturday
Thanks for posting that up Ian. We're very excited to be broadcasting this mix from Claude. - Original Message - From: "ian cheshire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 10:05 PM Subject: RE: (313) Claude Young and MXF Pioneer in Berlin last Saturday > alex? u mean Ian :) > > Radio: > It's been a while since you heard from me, but there's good reason!!! > Firstly, Wednesday 7th April brings Detroits' one and only: > CLAUDE YOUNG > ..to Locked Grooves on Proton Radio. > Expect the unexpected > Claude is joined by your hosts Lee Bolton and myself. > www.protonradio.com/show.php?showid=22 > www.lockedgrooves.org > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 05 April 2004 21:54 > To: ian cheshire > Subject: Re: (313) Claude Young and MXF Pioneer in Berlin last Saturday > > > > > > > what's the url for Proton Radio Alex? > > > > > "ian cheshire" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "313" > <313@hyperreal.org> > nder.co.uk>cc: > Subject: (313) Claude > Young and MXF Pioneer in Berlin last Saturday > 04/05/04 03:03 PM > > > > > > > Well what can I say but the man sure knows his gadgets and as > the sets were all recorded I hope to get these up (with his permission) > sometime in the next 2 weeks. > > He used Ableton Live and the MXF Pioneer to amazing effect, dropping > new/old/quirky tracks > whislt using the sampling of like doctor who etc over the top. He said he > only > starting using it the night b4 but he new it inside out, well it seemed > that > way :) > > The thing that really got me is that he was not totally laptop'd out he > used > the decks > as well as he said he feels he still needs to interact and with the mixer > and decks he > can. Also the pioneer has its own cross fader and with upto 8 storage banks > you can > basically mix 8 sounds and cut the tracks/loops/samples etc etc hopw you > would on a normal > mixer, I have to say I was very very impressed byt this piece of kit. > > So remember to checkout his mix on Proton Radio this Wednesday, I am sure > it > will > bring back memories for me :) > > Cheers > Ian > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/04 > > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/04 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/04 > >
RE: (313) Claude Young and MXF Pioneer in Berlin last Saturday
alex? u mean Ian :) Radio: It's been a while since you heard from me, but there's good reason!!! Firstly, Wednesday 7th April brings Detroits' one and only: CLAUDE YOUNG ..to Locked Grooves on Proton Radio. Expect the unexpected Claude is joined by your hosts Lee Bolton and myself. www.protonradio.com/show.php?showid=22 www.lockedgrooves.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 April 2004 21:54 To: ian cheshire Subject: Re: (313) Claude Young and MXF Pioneer in Berlin last Saturday what's the url for Proton Radio Alex? "ian cheshire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "313" <313@hyperreal.org> nder.co.uk>cc: Subject: (313) Claude Young and MXF Pioneer in Berlin last Saturday 04/05/04 03:03 PM Well what can I say but the man sure knows his gadgets and as the sets were all recorded I hope to get these up (with his permission) sometime in the next 2 weeks. He used Ableton Live and the MXF Pioneer to amazing effect, dropping new/old/quirky tracks whislt using the sampling of like doctor who etc over the top. He said he only starting using it the night b4 but he new it inside out, well it seemed that way :) The thing that really got me is that he was not totally laptop'd out he used the decks as well as he said he feels he still needs to interact and with the mixer and decks he can. Also the pioneer has its own cross fader and with upto 8 storage banks you can basically mix 8 sounds and cut the tracks/loops/samples etc etc hopw you would on a normal mixer, I have to say I was very very impressed byt this piece of kit. So remember to checkout his mix on Proton Radio this Wednesday, I am sure it will bring back memories for me :) Cheers Ian --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/04 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/04
Re: (313) No play in the USA (was Movement I-F dicussion)
Sometimes people charge hefty amounts for other reasons. Like they're saying, I don't really wanna play there... I don't know what his reasons are. But he's playing Hobart, Tasmania, and there's no way they'd have that money. -- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: 313@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: (313) No play in the USA (was Movement I-F dicussion) >Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 4:39 AM > > Actually, Dave Clarke doesn't play in the US because he charges $10,000 > for a gig. Nobody is worth that much money. ;) > > e > >> >> >>Dave Clarke says it too. > It's really tough getting into the US now even for a holiday. > They are not just suss on potential terrorists but foreign media, DJs, > producers, even with visas. > They're introducing fingerprinting for *all* tourists come Sept even from so > called friendly nations. > I understand that they have to look after their citizens and it's fair they > test everyone and avoid obvious racial profiling (though I'm sure that is > still happening) but some people just feel uncomfortable with the process. I > have heard a lot of international DJs say the current climate in the US is > offputting. > Personally I put up with it as Australia is almost as tough, anyway, but a > lot of Europeans are used to relatively free travel so they probably object > more. It's a theory.
(313) Claude Young and MXF Pioneer in Berlin last Saturday
Well what can I say but the man sure knows his gadgets and as the sets were all recorded I hope to get these up (with his permission) sometime in the next 2 weeks. He used Ableton Live and the MXF Pioneer to amazing effect, dropping new/old/quirky tracks whislt using the sampling of like doctor who etc over the top. He said he only starting using it the night b4 but he new it inside out, well it seemed that way :) The thing that really got me is that he was not totally laptop'd out he used the decks as well as he said he feels he still needs to interact and with the mixer and decks he can. Also the pioneer has its own cross fader and with upto 8 storage banks you can basically mix 8 sounds and cut the tracks/loops/samples etc etc hopw you would on a normal mixer, I have to say I was very very impressed byt this piece of kit. So remember to checkout his mix on Proton Radio this Wednesday, I am sure it will bring back memories for me :) Cheers Ian --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/04
RE: (313) Funk D'Void
I really like his stuff and also some of it I don't like but I have heard him on the annie nightingale show a year ago and was very impressed by is mixing and track selection, he knows how to build it up.. but then a friend of mine booked him for germany and he played the hardest techno you can imagine and actually scared off some punters off... I say download some mixes and check it out for yourself but I'd imagine for Melb he'd play the kinda soma stuff I heard on Radio ! that morning... -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 April 2004 18:48 To: 313 Detroit Subject: (313) Funk D'Void Funk D'Void is playing Melb this week, albeit same night as David Guetta. Is he good as a DJ? New album Freak Volume has some nice Detroit inspired vibes. The track Emotional Content has to be the winner! --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/04
RE: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs
I think the more obvious answer to this puzzle lies in who will benefit from the 35 million. Suburban law-makers are willing to help Detroit if they get something out of it in terms of contracts and a big urban playground for sports, clubs, condos, etc. If it's just money for helping city kids learn to read, forget about it. Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 1:47 PM To: Dennis DeSantis Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Kent williams; 313 list Subject: Re: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs The same day that they announced the cutting of the jobs, they also announced in the free press (www.freep.com) the allotment of 35 million dollars to cleanup the city (road projects) for the 2005 all star game, and the 2006 superbowl. I think the main thinking behind this, is that it can help more money come into the city through alternate means, and hopefully get some of those teaching jobs back. Not sure what I think personally... dns
RE: (313) Re: No play in the USA (was Movement I-F discussion)
I actually got about 700 people to come see I-F play in New York. I think that might have been worth his time. Besides, he's not getting offers to play here every weekend, only about once a year. My heart bleeds for him. e Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: No play in the USA (was Movement I-F discussion) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How many times would you fly (in this case) from Holland to the States, to gigs where no one came to? You'd get sick of it in the end, and would probably accept gigs on the basis that they are at least gonna be worth your while It's not exactly a new thing (decent artists bombing in the US) anyway. -Original Message-
Re: (313) No play in the USA (was Movement I-F dicussion)
Actually, Dave Clarke doesn't play in the US because he charges $10,000 for a gig. Nobody is worth that much money. ;) e > > >Dave Clarke says it too. It's really tough getting into the US now even for a holiday. They are not just suss on potential terrorists but foreign media, DJs, producers, even with visas. They're introducing fingerprinting for *all* tourists come Sept even from so called friendly nations. I understand that they have to look after their citizens and it's fair they test everyone and avoid obvious racial profiling (though I'm sure that is still happening) but some people just feel uncomfortable with the process. I have heard a lot of international DJs say the current climate in the US is offputting. Personally I put up with it as Australia is almost as tough, anyway, but a lot of Europeans are used to relatively free travel so they probably object more. It's a theory.
Re: RE: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs
I've been looking over this website and they appear to take a pretty solid stance against the No Child Left Behind legislation and the affects it is having and will have http://nochildleft.com/
(313) Funk D'Void
Funk D'Void is playing Melb this week, albeit same night as David Guetta. Is he good as a DJ? New album Freak Volume has some nice Detroit inspired vibes. The track Emotional Content has to be the winner!
Re: (313) No play in the USA (was Movement I-F discussion)
I think there is a downturn everywhere at the moment. I think that the same problems have occurred here to some extent - mind the promoters need more capital behind them. We get media support but not the numbers. It's hard to account for the lethargy. -- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: (313) No play in the USA (was Movement I-F discussion) >Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 3:41 AM > > > > > > I think that's one very good reason that artists from outside the US don't > play in the US > but what about the American artists who don't play in the US? > or play here so very little > or move away because they don't get the gigs > > I have a friend who moved to the UK recently because he was getting more > gigs there and through Europe > what is (or isn't) going on here? > > obviously there isn't an audience - but why? > > this is very frustrating for me because I'm currently trying to help some > local promoters > who I feel really have their sh*t together. They are professional. They > know what they want. > They've hired a well known artist to come and perform > I'm trying to convince a local radio DJ who plays techno music on his > program > that an interview with this artist would be a good thing > he told me he's not sure people will want to listen to someone "talk" > in addition, he has heard very little of this person's music > (I told him I would give him music to hear ahead of time - he doesn't seem > interested) > > He doesn't have to do a thing - just be there, sign on, sign off > we have the music, we'll do the interview, etc > > he can help promote good music and possibly introduce a well known > (legendary?) but little heard > artist to an audience who is open and wanting to hear this music > > so - wtf??? why is there no support for the music? > > something is wrong with the American electronic dance "scene" when a DJ > doesn't want this on his radio program > > MEK > > > > > > Dave Clarke says it too. > It's really tough getting into the US now even for a holiday. > They are not just suss on potential terrorists but foreign media, DJs, > producers, even with visas. > They're introducing fingerprinting for *all* tourists come Sept even from > so > called friendly nations. > I understand that they have to look after their citizens and it's fair they > test everyone and avoid obvious racial profiling (though I'm sure that is > still happening) but some people just feel uncomfortable with the process. > I > have heard a lot of international DJs say the current climate in the US is > offputting. > Personally I put up with it as Australia is almost as tough, anyway, but a > lot of Europeans are used to relatively free travel so they probably object > more. It's a theory. >
Re: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs
The same day that they announced the cutting of the jobs, they also announced in the free press (www.freep.com) the allotment of 35 million dollars to cleanup the city (road projects) for the 2005 all star game, and the 2006 superbowl. I think the main thinking behind this, is that it can help more money come into the city through alternate means, and hopefully get some of those teaching jobs back. Not sure what I think personally... dns On Mon, 5 Apr 2004, Dennis DeSantis wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I'm still trying to figure out what good casinos > > are doing in the city if THEY can't use that money to stop something like > > the elimination of teachers from happening. a shame.. > > Amen. I remember when the folks pitching the casinos had this > brilliantly focused propaganda campaign about how their developments > would bring all this cash into Detroit, thereby causing some kind of > revitalization-through-osmosis or something. People ate that up too - > as if even the hope that something could help, despite all evidence to > the contrary, was worth the gamble (pun intended). > So how'd that work out? I don't live there any more, and haven't for a > while. But the last time I checked out the areas near the casinos it > looked like the only improvement was that there was now light pollution. > > > -- > Dennis DeSantis > www.dennisdesantis.com >
Re: RE: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs
On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Relating this to the music - I can only wonder what kind of sounds we'll > hear coming from those who grow up & live in these conditions. > > gun shots? the sound of jail cells filling up? the sound of babies crying? > > just some of my guesses What sounds did we hear in the thirties when black people were lynched at a rate of almost one a day? When places like Parchman would open the floodgates for prisoners whenever the planters needed more workers? What sounds did we hear in the eighties in places like Detroit, Queens, and Miami, when Reagan's budget slashed federal assistance to cities? When music programs pretty much disappeared from urban public schools? Black men and women have ALWAYS produced beauty in the face of chaos. The real question is how can those of us with technical skill actually impart some of these skills to kids to help them make the transformation that folks like TP, Mills, and others made. A couple of people here sent an email a few years ago about an idea they had--to actually teach detroit kids how to make electronic music, and how to dj. I asked them if I could share their idea with the mayors folks, and they told me no because they wanted to try to do it themselves. I wonder whether they are still sitting on the idea? (As an aside, as far as I know May, Saunderson, and Atkins didn't ATTEND detroit public schools.) peace lks
Re: (313) No play in the USA (was Movement I-F discussion)
I think that's one very good reason that artists from outside the US don't play in the US but what about the American artists who don't play in the US? or play here so very little or move away because they don't get the gigs I have a friend who moved to the UK recently because he was getting more gigs there and through Europe what is (or isn't) going on here? obviously there isn't an audience - but why? this is very frustrating for me because I'm currently trying to help some local promoters who I feel really have their sh*t together. They are professional. They know what they want. They've hired a well known artist to come and perform I'm trying to convince a local radio DJ who plays techno music on his program that an interview with this artist would be a good thing he told me he's not sure people will want to listen to someone "talk" in addition, he has heard very little of this person's music (I told him I would give him music to hear ahead of time - he doesn't seem interested) He doesn't have to do a thing - just be there, sign on, sign off we have the music, we'll do the interview, etc he can help promote good music and possibly introduce a well known (legendary?) but little heard artist to an audience who is open and wanting to hear this music so - wtf??? why is there no support for the music? something is wrong with the American electronic dance "scene" when a DJ doesn't want this on his radio program MEK Dave Clarke says it too. It's really tough getting into the US now even for a holiday. They are not just suss on potential terrorists but foreign media, DJs, producers, even with visas. They're introducing fingerprinting for *all* tourists come Sept even from so called friendly nations. I understand that they have to look after their citizens and it's fair they test everyone and avoid obvious racial profiling (though I'm sure that is still happening) but some people just feel uncomfortable with the process. I have heard a lot of international DJs say the current climate in the US is offputting. Personally I put up with it as Australia is almost as tough, anyway, but a lot of Europeans are used to relatively free travel so they probably object more. It's a theory.
Re: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm still trying to figure out what good casinos are doing in the city if THEY can't use that money to stop something like the elimination of teachers from happening. a shame.. Amen. I remember when the folks pitching the casinos had this brilliantly focused propaganda campaign about how their developments would bring all this cash into Detroit, thereby causing some kind of revitalization-through-osmosis or something. People ate that up too - as if even the hope that something could help, despite all evidence to the contrary, was worth the gamble (pun intended). So how'd that work out? I don't live there any more, and haven't for a while. But the last time I checked out the areas near the casinos it looked like the only improvement was that there was now light pollution. -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
Re: (313) No play in the USA (was Movement I-F dicussion)
No doubt. I always love visiting the US though. Or maybe people are just in a state of flux. There's also a lot of Brits and others heading to Berlin, like Ewan Pearson. Also people going to Spain (Christian Smith, Cristian Vogel, Funk D'Void, etc). Carl Cox has been over here and telling everyone that he is seeking residence in Melbourne - Victorian Peninsula - for part of the year too. ;) -- >From: Dennis DeSantis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Cyclone Wehner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: (313) No play in the USA (was Movement I-F dicussion) >Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 3:21 AM > > Cyclone Wehner wrote: > >> I >> have heard a lot of international DJs say the current climate in the US is >> offputting. > > > You'll find a lot of domestic DJs saying the same thing. I don't think > the recent/continuing mass exodus to Berlin is entirely career-motivated. > > > -- > Dennis DeSantis > www.dennisdesantis.com
Re: (313) No play in the USA (was Movement I-F dicussion)
There's a long standing joke about the same 20 people coming out to hear play in NYC ;( It's even been written in the village voice, so sad. What makes it so sad is that it's so very true... and getting worse because some of the 20 have moved to Berlin. -p - Original Message - From: "Dennis DeSantis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 1:21 PM Subject: Re: (313) No play in the USA (was Movement I-F dicussion) > Cyclone Wehner wrote: > > > I > > have heard a lot of international DJs say the current climate in the US is > > offputting. > > > You'll find a lot of domestic DJs saying the same thing. I don't think > the recent/continuing mass exodus to Berlin is entirely career-motivated. > > > -- > Dennis DeSantis > www.dennisdesantis.com
Re: RE: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs
You can take it further than that..in the 80's Belleville was considered the country around here. Growing up in Detroit the suburbs were places like Southfield, Troy, the Grosse Pointes, Dearborn, etc. The removal of manufacturing plants from this area, as well as the onset of crack in the late 70's onwards was a huge culprit to the problems faced today. Many blame the riots, but the industrial sector continued to thrive into the 70's from what I saw. All of our neighbors worked at a plant and drove new rides. If you could afford to live in suburban areas like Belleville, your family was doing pretty good financially. There is no way this area is ever going to amount to sh*t if an educational base cannot be established. Who would move their family to an area of such unstable education institutions? While I know that many of you have done so, take a drive around Detroit next time you come for the DEMF, etc. Some areas could be classified as living time capsules. There hasn't been ANY improvements in some areas since the 60's or later. I'm still trying to figure out what good casinos are doing in the city if THEY can't use that money to stop something like the elimination of teachers from happening. a shame.. Peace, Alex Kent williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 04/05/2004 12:02 PM To 313 list <313@hyperreal.org> cc Subject Re: RE: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs Keep in mind that the 'big 3' in techno met up in high school out in Belleville, which is pretty suburban. Life in inner city Detroit is pretty desparate, and despite the positive changes to the city in the past few years, life is NOT getting better for a lot of Detroit residents. The cuts to the school are draconian, and criminal. They further degrade one of the very few positive things the government does to help poor people improve their lot. On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > hmmm ... I should have been more explicit ... what I was thinking about > was the idea of creative & beautiful things emerging from crappy, > disadvantaged or difficult situations. why that is, I'm not sure. > but it seems to be a theme. >
RE: (313) Re: No play in the USA (was Movement I-F discussion)
At 01:16 PM 4/5/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is the US still stuck in the "rave" mentality? kinda yeah. doesn't matter what kind of music it might be - seems like DJs = rave Actually, when my friends and I try to throw parties we have to book a room full of commercial hip hop DJs or nobody shows up. In fact, lots of people ask us to play at their events but they always ask us to stop when we don't play enough hip hop. So I guess my answer above is just wrong. -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; http://www.mkb-dj.org Matthew Kane : Software Engineer : Zebra Atlantek, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) No play in the USA (was Movement I-F dicussion)
Cyclone Wehner wrote: I have heard a lot of international DJs say the current climate in the US is offputting. You'll find a lot of domestic DJs saying the same thing. I don't think the recent/continuing mass exodus to Berlin is entirely career-motivated. -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
(313) Transmat getting new look
some changes to the Transmat website http://www.transmat.com/flash.html and http://www.derrickmay.com/ MEK
Re: (313) No play in the USA (was Movement I-F dicussion)
Dave Clarke says it too. It's really tough getting into the US now even for a holiday. They are not just suss on potential terrorists but foreign media, DJs, producers, even with visas. They're introducing fingerprinting for *all* tourists come Sept even from so called friendly nations. I understand that they have to look after their citizens and it's fair they test everyone and avoid obvious racial profiling (though I'm sure that is still happening) but some people just feel uncomfortable with the process. I have heard a lot of international DJs say the current climate in the US is offputting. Personally I put up with it as Australia is almost as tough, anyway, but a lot of Europeans are used to relatively free travel so they probably object more. It's a theory. -- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: (313) No play in the USA (was Movement I-F dicussion) >Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 1:22 AM > > > > > >>he's told his agents that he never wants to play in the US again > > Did he state for what reason? > > This isn't the first time I've heard this and I'm sure many > other list members have heard artists say this. > > US artists who rarely play in the US or who leave the US to live elsewhere > because they are requested to play more often in other countries > and > DJs/musicicans from other countries that have played in the US but now > refuse to > > what reasons have other artists stated as their reason for immigrating or > refusing to play in the states? > > frustrates me that this happens (although in certain cases I understand) > > MEK >
RE: (313) Re: No play in the USA (was Movement I-F discussion)
Ok so why is it that nobody comes? is it that there isn't radio play? how often do you hear I-F on the radio in the UK or Europe? Even in Holland? (I'd like to know actually) I try to listen to radio stations (online) from other countries but most of what I hear is the same kind of pop sh*t I hear in the US there are usually community radio stations in just about every market in the US that has some sort of techno/house/dance music program I would imagine that they aren't all playing from the list of top 100 DJs from DJ/Mixmag magazine I've been seeing I-F's album in one of my local independent mega stores (Cheapo's - the Minnesota equivalent to Amoeba) I don't know how it's selling though so is it the event promoters? are they not getting it? is the US still stuck in the "rave" mentality? when I mention events with DJs to people I often get looks like "I don't want to listen to THAT kind of music" doesn't matter what kind of music it might be - seems like DJs = rave maybe distribution is a problem as well I'm open to discuss this and maybe get some insight on what "our" problem is here in the US MEK "Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT)" To: "'robin'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Steward, Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> och.eu.com>cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: No play in the USA (was Movement I-F discussion) 04/05/04 11:22 AM How many times would you fly (in this case) from Holland to the States, to gigs where no one came to? You'd get sick of it in the end, and would probably accept gigs on the basis that they are at least gonna be worth your while It's not exactly a new thing (decent artists bombing in the US) anyway. -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 April 2004 5:06 To: Steward, Tim Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Re: No play in the USA (was Movement I-F discussion) yeah but ferenc might think that's too much bother for the return he gets so would rather put that effort elsewhere. anyway you americans burn disco records in your stadiums...that irks us disco loving europeans. :) (and there's the detroit on-topicness too) robin... Steward, Tim wrote: > I also disagree - because a record label is responsible > for marketing and promotion or the artist...being here > in the US- Detroit to be exact... if artist don't choose > to promote themselves in this market how do they expect > people to know what they are about or trying to do.. > I'm just one of the lucky people who has a job that > allows me to travel to other countries, but with the job > industry I am sure that is rare for most people... > > Just thoughts... > > TS-1 > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:52 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: (313) Re: No play in the USA (was Movement I-F dicussion) > > > Well, Ferenc's agent told me that he doesn't think the US audience > understands what it is he's trying to do, or what he's about. > > I disagree, of course, but he doesn't listen to me, obviously ;) > > e > > > >> >>>he's told his agents that he never wants to play in the US again >> >>Did he state for what reason? >> >>This isn't the first time I've heard this and I'm sure many >>other list members have heard artists say this. >> >>US artists who rarely play in the US or who leave the US to live elsewhere >>because they are requested to play more often in other countries >>and >>DJs/musicicans from other countries that have played in the US but now >>refuse to >> >>what reasons have other artists stated as their reason for immigrating or >>refusing to play in the states? >> >>frustrates me that this happens (although in certain cases I understand) >> >>MEK >> >> > > > > > The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It > contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named > addresse
Re: (313) Movement line-up
I-F says he's quitting every 6 months. I would take whatever the man says with a grain of salt. On Apr 5, 2004, at 10:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would be surprising, since he's told his agents that he never wants to play in the US again, though the point may be moot, since he's supposedly stopped DJing entirely to focus on other things e Subject: RE: (313) Movement line-up Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> i wonder if hes just playing a party outside the festival? hm. :) derek. On Sun, 4 Apr 2004, J. T. wrote: i-f is a no-go.. _
Re: (313) Movement line-up
Nah - that would be way too predictable. On Apr 5, 2004, at 4:37 AM, Derek Plaslaiko. wrote: i wonder if hes just playing a party outside the festival? hm. :) derek. On Sun, 4 Apr 2004, J. T. wrote: i-f is a no-go.. _ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlb&pgmarket=en-us/go/ onm00200439ave/direct/01/
RE: (313) Re: No play in the USA (was Movement I-F discussion)
So true, but if the proper promotion is done for the gig upfront, the crowd would be there. either way the artist makes his/her money regardless.. and maybe it's just me, but if I'm spinning I am going to put my all into it even it's only 25 people at the gig, those 25 will remember the night... TS-1 -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 12:23 PM To: 'robin'; Steward, Tim Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: No play in the USA (was Movement I-F discussion) How many times would you fly (in this case) from Holland to the States, to gigs where no one came to? You'd get sick of it in the end, and would probably accept gigs on the basis that they are at least gonna be worth your while It's not exactly a new thing (decent artists bombing in the US) anyway. -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 April 2004 5:06 To: Steward, Tim Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Re: No play in the USA (was Movement I-F discussion) yeah but ferenc might think that's too much bother for the return he gets so would rather put that effort elsewhere. anyway you americans burn disco records in your stadiums...that irks us disco loving europeans. :) (and there's the detroit on-topicness too) robin... Steward, Tim wrote: > I also disagree - because a record label is responsible > for marketing and promotion or the artist...being here > in the US- Detroit to be exact... if artist don't choose > to promote themselves in this market how do they expect > people to know what they are about or trying to do.. > I'm just one of the lucky people who has a job that > allows me to travel to other countries, but with the job > industry I am sure that is rare for most people... > > Just thoughts... > > TS-1 > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:52 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: (313) Re: No play in the USA (was Movement I-F dicussion) > > > Well, Ferenc's agent told me that he doesn't think the US audience > understands what it is he's trying to do, or what he's about. > > I disagree, of course, but he doesn't listen to me, obviously ;) > > e > > > >> >>>he's told his agents that he never wants to play in the US again >> >>Did he state for what reason? >> >>This isn't the first time I've heard this and I'm sure many >>other list members have heard artists say this. >> >>US artists who rarely play in the US or who leave the US to live elsewhere >>because they are requested to play more often in other countries >>and >>DJs/musicicans from other countries that have played in the US but now >>refuse to >> >>what reasons have other artists stated as their reason for immigrating or >>refusing to play in the states? >> >>frustrates me that this happens (although in certain cases I understand) >> >>MEK >> >> > > > > > The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It > contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named > addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose > it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately > and then destroy it. > > *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the "To" or "Cc" lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. *** The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it.
RE: (313) Re: No play in the USA (was Movement I-F discussion)
How many times would you fly (in this case) from Holland to the States, to gigs where no one came to? You'd get sick of it in the end, and would probably accept gigs on the basis that they are at least gonna be worth your while It's not exactly a new thing (decent artists bombing in the US) anyway. -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 April 2004 5:06 To: Steward, Tim Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Re: No play in the USA (was Movement I-F discussion) yeah but ferenc might think that's too much bother for the return he gets so would rather put that effort elsewhere. anyway you americans burn disco records in your stadiums...that irks us disco loving europeans. :) (and there's the detroit on-topicness too) robin... Steward, Tim wrote: > I also disagree - because a record label is responsible > for marketing and promotion or the artist...being here > in the US- Detroit to be exact... if artist don't choose > to promote themselves in this market how do they expect > people to know what they are about or trying to do.. > I'm just one of the lucky people who has a job that > allows me to travel to other countries, but with the job > industry I am sure that is rare for most people... > > Just thoughts... > > TS-1 > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:52 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: (313) Re: No play in the USA (was Movement I-F dicussion) > > > Well, Ferenc's agent told me that he doesn't think the US audience > understands what it is he's trying to do, or what he's about. > > I disagree, of course, but he doesn't listen to me, obviously ;) > > e > > > >> >>>he's told his agents that he never wants to play in the US again >> >>Did he state for what reason? >> >>This isn't the first time I've heard this and I'm sure many >>other list members have heard artists say this. >> >>US artists who rarely play in the US or who leave the US to live elsewhere >>because they are requested to play more often in other countries >>and >>DJs/musicicans from other countries that have played in the US but now >>refuse to >> >>what reasons have other artists stated as their reason for immigrating or >>refusing to play in the states? >> >>frustrates me that this happens (although in certain cases I understand) >> >>MEK >> >> > > > > > The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It > contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named > addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose > it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately > and then destroy it. > > *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the "To" or "Cc" lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ***
AW: (313) Movement line-up
hi, just for the records, marco passarani is not part of mat101. mat101 are the guys from jollymusic, Francesco De Bellis and Mario Pierro. best, derb - i should add "as far as i hear.." ...if true, i'm still hoping he changes his mind... marco passarani & half of mat101 will be doing a little usa tour in mid-may..would be some nice additions to the lineup! >i-f is a no-go.. _
Re: (313) Re: No play in the USA (was Movement I-F discussion)
yeah but ferenc might think that's too much bother for the return he gets so would rather put that effort elsewhere. anyway you americans burn disco records in your stadiums...that irks us disco loving europeans. :) (and there's the detroit on-topicness too) robin... Steward, Tim wrote: I also disagree - because a record label is responsible for marketing and promotion or the artist...being here in the US- Detroit to be exact... if artist don't choose to promote themselves in this market how do they expect people to know what they are about or trying to do.. I'm just one of the lucky people who has a job that allows me to travel to other countries, but with the job industry I am sure that is rare for most people... Just thoughts... TS-1 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: (313) Re: No play in the USA (was Movement I-F dicussion) Well, Ferenc's agent told me that he doesn't think the US audience understands what it is he's trying to do, or what he's about. I disagree, of course, but he doesn't listen to me, obviously ;) e he's told his agents that he never wants to play in the US again Did he state for what reason? This isn't the first time I've heard this and I'm sure many other list members have heard artists say this. US artists who rarely play in the US or who leave the US to live elsewhere because they are requested to play more often in other countries and DJs/musicicans from other countries that have played in the US but now refuse to what reasons have other artists stated as their reason for immigrating or refusing to play in the states? frustrates me that this happens (although in certain cases I understand) MEK The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it.
(313) Re: No play in the USA (was Movement I-F discussion)
yep - I've heard that from artists around the world - including those from the US that seems to be the #1 reason for not playing in the US - we don't get it frustrating MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] cs.com To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/05/04 10:51 AMSubject: Re: No play in the USA (was Movement I-F dicussion) Well, Ferenc's agent told me that he doesn't think the US audience understands what it is he's trying to do, or what he's about. I disagree, of course, but he doesn't listen to me, obviously ;) e > > >>he's told his agents that he never wants to play in the US again > > Did he state for what reason? > > This isn't the first time I've heard this and I'm sure many > other list members have heard artists say this. > > US artists who rarely play in the US or who leave the US to live elsewhere > because they are requested to play more often in other countries > and > DJs/musicicans from other countries that have played in the US but now > refuse to > > what reasons have other artists stated as their reason for immigrating or > refusing to play in the states? > > frustrates me that this happens (although in certain cases I understand) > > MEK > >
Re: RE: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs
Keep in mind that the 'big 3' in techno met up in high school out in Belleville, which is pretty suburban. Life in inner city Detroit is pretty desparate, and despite the positive changes to the city in the past few years, life is NOT getting better for a lot of Detroit residents. The cuts to the school are draconian, and criminal. They further degrade one of the very few positive things the government does to help poor people improve their lot. On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > hmmm ... I should have been more explicit ... what I was thinking about > was the idea of creative & beautiful things emerging from crappy, > disadvantaged or difficult situations. why that is, I'm not sure. > but it seems to be a theme. >
RE: (313) Re: No play in the USA (was Movement I-F discussion)
I also disagree - because a record label is responsible for marketing and promotion or the artist...being here in the US- Detroit to be exact... if artist don't choose to promote themselves in this market how do they expect people to know what they are about or trying to do.. I'm just one of the lucky people who has a job that allows me to travel to other countries, but with the job industry I am sure that is rare for most people... Just thoughts... TS-1 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: (313) Re: No play in the USA (was Movement I-F dicussion) Well, Ferenc's agent told me that he doesn't think the US audience understands what it is he's trying to do, or what he's about. I disagree, of course, but he doesn't listen to me, obviously ;) e > > >>he's told his agents that he never wants to play in the US again > > Did he state for what reason? > > This isn't the first time I've heard this and I'm sure many > other list members have heard artists say this. > > US artists who rarely play in the US or who leave the US to live elsewhere > because they are requested to play more often in other countries > and > DJs/musicicans from other countries that have played in the US but now > refuse to > > what reasons have other artists stated as their reason for immigrating or > refusing to play in the states? > > frustrates me that this happens (although in certain cases I understand) > > MEK > > The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it.
(313) Re: No play in the USA (was Movement I-F dicussion)
Well, Ferenc's agent told me that he doesn't think the US audience understands what it is he's trying to do, or what he's about. I disagree, of course, but he doesn't listen to me, obviously ;) e > > >>he's told his agents that he never wants to play in the US again > > Did he state for what reason? > > This isn't the first time I've heard this and I'm sure many > other list members have heard artists say this. > > US artists who rarely play in the US or who leave the US to live elsewhere > because they are requested to play more often in other countries > and > DJs/musicicans from other countries that have played in the US but now > refuse to > > what reasons have other artists stated as their reason for immigrating or > refusing to play in the states? > > frustrates me that this happens (although in certain cases I understand) > > MEK > >
Re: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs
I would agree, just because you have nothing doesn't mean a life of crack and whack awaits... 5/4/04 3:36 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED]@optonline.net > hmmm ... I should have been more explicit ... what I was thinking about was > the idea of creative & beautiful things emerging from crappy, disadvantaged or > difficult situations. why that is, I'm not sure. but it seems to be a theme. > > lisa > > - Original Message - > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Monday, April 5, 2004 11:25 am > Subject: Re: RE: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs > >> >> >> >> >>> Relating this to the music - I can only wonder what kind of >> sounds we'll >> hear coming from those who grow up & live in these conditions. >> >> gun shots? the sound of jail cells filling up? the sound of babies >> crying? >> just some of my guesses >> >> MEK >> >> > >
Re: RE: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs
hmmm ... I should have been more explicit ... what I was thinking about was the idea of creative & beautiful things emerging from crappy, disadvantaged or difficult situations. why that is, I'm not sure. but it seems to be a theme. lisa - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, April 5, 2004 11:25 am Subject: Re: RE: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs > > > > > >Relating this to the music - I can only wonder what kind of > sounds we'll > hear coming from those who grow up & live in these conditions. > > gun shots? the sound of jail cells filling up? the sound of babies > crying? > just some of my guesses > > MEK > >
RE: RE: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs
Relating this to music, I personally fear that the DPS radio station will be forced to make drastic cuts in staff and programming. This is probably one of the few stations in the country to have a daily house show from 4-6p with guest DJs 3 days a week--folks like T. Parker, Rick Wilhite, Minx, Al Ester, etc. Although much less tragic than the loss of 700 teachers--an institution that would be missed by many here. Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:17 AM To: diana potts Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: RE: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs Relating this to the music - I can only wonder what kind of sounds we'll hear coming from those who grow up & live in these conditions. Lisa
Re: RE: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs
>Relating this to the music - I can only wonder what kind of sounds we'll hear coming from those who grow up & live in these conditions. gun shots? the sound of jail cells filling up? the sound of babies crying? just some of my guesses MEK
(313) No play in the USA (was Movement I-F dicussion)
>he's told his agents that he never wants to play in the US again Did he state for what reason? This isn't the first time I've heard this and I'm sure many other list members have heard artists say this. US artists who rarely play in the US or who leave the US to live elsewhere because they are requested to play more often in other countries and DJs/musicicans from other countries that have played in the US but now refuse to what reasons have other artists stated as their reason for immigrating or refusing to play in the states? frustrates me that this happens (although in certain cases I understand) MEK
Re: RE: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs
Things are not good with respect to education in the US. There have been issues always, sure, (as with any system) but it's gotten much worse in recent years. It's quite depressing to see the government make budget cuts by nicking off vital & social services (schools, trash removal, fireman, nurses, etc.) while more and more money is spent to support efforts that kill people (in the US and elsewhere). And then once the system is down & barely breathing, incentives are offered for people to come back in, maintain and perhaps rebuild. 'No child left behind' is a concept that 'experts' said would not work - but they went ahead with it anyways. The results so far seem to reinforce the 'rich get richer' and 'the poor get poorer.' Relating this to the music - I can only wonder what kind of sounds we'll hear coming from those who grow up & live in these conditions. Lisa - Original Message - From: diana potts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, April 5, 2004 7:18 am Subject: RE: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs > > As someone who is from detroit and getting ready to > enter the teacher work force this cuts deep. I'm glad > this was posted to the list-I think it adds some more > dimension to a city that is just referred to here in a > techno context. > > I'm also glad to see the article mentioned the no > child left behind act. In the whole cycle of > everything, these kind of actions kill a city. How can > you expect a city to thrive when it's > schools/communities can't even support themselves? > What happens when the foundation starts to crumble? > > Truely sad. > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > yep true and sad > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Katrin Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Mon 05/04/2004 10:56 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org > > > > Cc: > > Subject: AW: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 > > jobs > > > > > > > > Well, I guess this says it all: > > > > "Ninety percent of the remaining students are > > African-American, with more than 7 out of 10 > > students coming from families living below the > > official poverty level." > > > > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Gesendet: Montag, 5. April 2004 11:37 > > An: Katrin Richter; 313@hyperreal.org > > Betreff: RE: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 > > jobs > > > > so the simple thing is to invest :) > > > > I know we all have a soft spot for Detroit and so I > > am be a little biased here but is it me > > or is detroit picked on? I think they should if > > they ae doing cut backs, use the money to invest in > > the city > > not make matters worse.. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Katrin Richter > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Mon 05/04/2004 09:49 > > To: 313@hyperreal.org > > Cc: > > Subject: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 > > jobs > > > > > > > > I guess this is on topic as school was the > > only place to hook up for > > Derrick, Kevin and Juan as there was > > nowhere else to go > > > > Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs > > By Jerry Isaacs > > 3 April 2004 > > Use this version to print | Send this link > > by email | Email the author > > Detroit Public Schools officials announced > > Thursday the district would lay > > off 3,200 school employees, including 900 > > teachers, by July 1. The job cuts, > > which amount to 13 percent of the > > workforce, are in response to a budget > > shortfall of $78 million last year and a > > projected deficit of $91 million in > > 2005, officials say. > > The cuts in the $1.5 billion budget follow > > an announcement last month that > > an additional 450 administrators could lose > > their jobs. The district, which > > already faces chronic overcrowding in the > > classrooms, also plans to shut at > > least three schools, in addition to the 16 > > closed or consolidated last year. > > The budget for supplies and purchased > > services will be cut by more than > > one-third to save $50 million, with funding > > for playground improvements > > slashed from $1 million to $250,000. > > The layoffs will wreak havoc, particularly > > for teachers who are already > > short-handed and stretched to the limit. > > "You could see a gym teacher who is > > certified in kindergarten through six grade > > become a homeroom teacher, or an > > instrumental teacher might have to go back > > t
RE: (313) Movement line-up
That would be surprising, since he's told his agents that he never wants to play in the US again, though the point may be moot, since he's supposedly stopped DJing entirely to focus on other things e Subject: RE: (313) Movement line-up Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> i wonder if hes just playing a party outside the festival? hm. :) derek. On Sun, 4 Apr 2004, J. T. wrote: > i-f is a no-go.. > > _
RE: (313) Scion/Moritz Von Oswald in London
Thanks for the report Brendan, it was a wicked gig and sorry about the sound probs. Scion had a great time and are looking forward to visiting London again in the future. Thanks again to everone who came down. Paul -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 April 2004 10:59 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Scion/Moritz Von Oswald in London Scion were breathtaking. Despite a less-than-perfect sound rig which didn't emphasise the extreme bottom- and top-end as much as I'd have liked, they sounded amazing. They were like electronic chefs creating a Basic Channel soup using such tasty ingredients as Infinition, Phylyps Track, Octagon, Quadrant Dub, etc etc - everything thrown into the mix and seemingly built up from scratch rather than just a straight copy of the Arrange & Process CD. They were using an outboard mixer and effects units as well as the laptop running Ableton, and so the soundscape they produced was extremely rich; it was sounding a bit deeper than it might have been had Ableton been the only tool used. The set was continually flowing and pulsing in that BC sort of style, without ever going either too ambient or too hard - really good arrangement IMHO, and the hour they were on for seemed to fly past really quickly. We need to have more Scion live performances! It was really good to meet Greg and a few other 313ers I hadn't met before, so hi to everyone I ended up blabbering on at overexcitedly... it's been a great few weeks for events in the UK what with T-Funkshun playing host to Kenny Larkin a few weeks back, Kraftwerk's series of gigs and Scion this last weekend. I hope the rest of this year ends up being as good as as the first three months have been! Brendan > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 05 April 2004 10:50 > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: (313) Scion/Moritz Von Oswald in London > > > Hi. > > Did anyone see Scion on Friday? > > or Moritz Von Oswald Sunday night? > > How was it?? > > Dying to know. > > Alex > _ > > - End of message text > > This e-mail is sent by the above named in their > individual, non-business capacity and is not on > behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. > > PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming > e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and > telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you > give your consent to such monitoring > > > >
RE: (313) danny wang interview
Really great intereview!! Highly recommended just to hear what he says about stuff, a very switched on dude. Thanks Robin :-) Andrew -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 April 2004 12:39 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) danny wang interview ok slightly off-topic but interesting. http://www.family-house.net/danielwang.html robin... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 29/03/2004
RE: (313) Scion/Moritz Von Oswald in London
thanks for all the reports, much appreciated. sounds like it was great (Glasgow & London) alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs
Maybe, it's just the whole way language is used - long weekend talking about such stuff but I won't bore you with it :/ > When a child comes from a low socio-economic household > you're dealing with a lot of diff't cards both > academically for a child and also in terms of school > financial support. Can you explain what you mean here? Off list if you like... Martin 5/4/04 11:33 AM diana [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I think the part of the sentance that really matters > is that most families come from below poverty level. > There's many schools across the country (in very rural > parts) where the kids are white and the same thing > occurs. > When a child comes from a low socioeconomic household > you're dealing with a lot of diff't cards both > academically for a child and also in terms of school > financial support. > The other deadly combo is the no child left behind > act, with kids from a low SES and the shortage of > teachers. How can you keep a school academically > afloat when you can't attend to each child's needs. > Think about the kids who have learning disorders..even > the ADHD ones.Those kids NEED extra support in a > classroom. > The US government encourages people like me (who are > about to graduate) to teach in schools like the ones > in detroit. They give tax breaks and forgive large > portions of student loand,but how are we supposed to > be motivated to go in to them when it's like this? > > welp...*sigh*back to the music > d > np:Bill Withers, Lovely Day > --- Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I wonder if they would have mentioned such stats if >> the 90% had been WASP, >> this sh*t really gets my goat... >> >> >> 5/4/04 10:07 AM >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]@blueyonder.co.uk >> >>> yep true and sad >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Katrin Richter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Mon 05/04/2004 10:56 >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; >> 313@hyperreal.org >>> Cc: >>> Subject: AW: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 >> jobs >>> >>> >>> >>> Well, I guess this says it all: >>> >>> "Ninety percent of the remaining students are >> African-American, with more than >>> 7 out of 10 students coming from families living >> below the official poverty >>> level." >>> >>> >>> -Urspr?ngliche Nachricht- >>> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Gesendet: Montag, 5. April 2004 11:37 >>> An: Katrin Richter; 313@hyperreal.org >>> Betreff: RE: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 >> jobs >>> >>> so the simple thing is to invest :) >>> >>> I know we all have a soft spot for Detroit and so >> I am be a little biased here >>> but is it me >>> or is detroit picked on? I think they should if >> they ae doing cut backs, use >>> the money to invest in the city >>> not make matters worse.. >>> >>>-Original Message- >>>From: Katrin Richter >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>Sent: Mon 05/04/2004 09:49 >>>To: 313@hyperreal.org >>>Cc: >>>Subject: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 >> jobs >>> >>> >>> >>>I guess this is on topic as school was the >> only place to hook up for >>>Derrick, Kevin and Juan as there was >> nowhere else to go >>> >>>Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs >>>By Jerry Isaacs >>>3 April 2004 >>>Use this version to print | Send this link >> by email | Email the author >>>Detroit Public Schools officials announced >> Thursday the district would >>> lay >>>off 3,200 school employees, including 900 >> teachers, by July 1. The job >>> cuts, >>>which amount to 13 percent of the >> workforce, are in response to a >>> budget >>>shortfall of $78 million last year and a >> projected deficit of $91 >>> million in >>>2005, officials say. >>>The cuts in the $1.5 billion budget follow >> an announcement last month >>> that >>>an additional 450 administrators could lose >> their jobs. The district, >>> which >>>already faces chronic overcrowding in the >> classrooms, also plans to >>> shut at >>>least three schools, in addition to the 16 >> closed or consolidated last >>> year. >>>The budget for supplies and purchased >> services will be cut by more than >>>one-third to save $50 million, with funding >> for playground improvements >>>slashed from $1 million to $250,000. >>>The layoffs will wreak havoc, particularly >> for teachers who are already >>>short-handed and stretched to the limit. >> "You could see a gym teacher >>> who is >>>certified in kindergarten through six grade >> become a homeroom teacher, >>> or an >>>instrumental teacher might have to go back >> to the classroom," district >>>spokesman Mario Morrow said. >>>Kenneth Burnley, CEO of the Detroit Public >> Schools, said he also plans >>> to >>>renegotiate the district's contract with >> the Detroit Federation of >>> Teache
(313) danny wang interview
ok slightly off-topic but interesting. http://www.family-house.net/danielwang.html robin... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 29/03/2004
Re: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs
I think the part of the sentance that really matters is that most families come from below poverty level. There's many schools across the country (in very rural parts) where the kids are white and the same thing occurs. When a child comes from a low socioeconomic household you're dealing with a lot of diff't cards both academically for a child and also in terms of school financial support. The other deadly combo is the no child left behind act, with kids from a low SES and the shortage of teachers. How can you keep a school academically afloat when you can't attend to each child's needs. Think about the kids who have learning disorders..even the ADHD ones.Those kids NEED extra support in a classroom. The US government encourages people like me (who are about to graduate) to teach in schools like the ones in detroit. They give tax breaks and forgive large portions of student loand,but how are we supposed to be motivated to go in to them when it's like this? welp...*sigh*back to the music d np:Bill Withers, Lovely Day --- Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wonder if they would have mentioned such stats if > the 90% had been WASP, > this sh*t really gets my goat... > > > 5/4/04 10:07 AM > [EMAIL PROTECTED]@blueyonder.co.uk > > > yep true and sad > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Katrin Richter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Mon 05/04/2004 10:56 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > 313@hyperreal.org > > Cc: > > Subject: AW: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 > jobs > > > > > > > > Well, I guess this says it all: > > > > "Ninety percent of the remaining students are > African-American, with more than > > 7 out of 10 students coming from families living > below the official poverty > > level." > > > > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Gesendet: Montag, 5. April 2004 11:37 > > An: Katrin Richter; 313@hyperreal.org > > Betreff: RE: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 > jobs > > > > so the simple thing is to invest :) > > > > I know we all have a soft spot for Detroit and so > I am be a little biased here > > but is it me > > or is detroit picked on? I think they should if > they ae doing cut backs, use > > the money to invest in the city > > not make matters worse.. > > > >-Original Message- > >From: Katrin Richter > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Mon 05/04/2004 09:49 > >To: 313@hyperreal.org > >Cc: > >Subject: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 > jobs > > > > > > > >I guess this is on topic as school was the > only place to hook up for > >Derrick, Kevin and Juan as there was > nowhere else to go > > > >Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs > >By Jerry Isaacs > >3 April 2004 > >Use this version to print | Send this link > by email | Email the author > >Detroit Public Schools officials announced > Thursday the district would > > lay > >off 3,200 school employees, including 900 > teachers, by July 1. The job > > cuts, > >which amount to 13 percent of the > workforce, are in response to a > > budget > >shortfall of $78 million last year and a > projected deficit of $91 > > million in > >2005, officials say. > >The cuts in the $1.5 billion budget follow > an announcement last month > > that > >an additional 450 administrators could lose > their jobs. The district, > > which > >already faces chronic overcrowding in the > classrooms, also plans to > > shut at > >least three schools, in addition to the 16 > closed or consolidated last > > year. > >The budget for supplies and purchased > services will be cut by more than > >one-third to save $50 million, with funding > for playground improvements > >slashed from $1 million to $250,000. > >The layoffs will wreak havoc, particularly > for teachers who are already > >short-handed and stretched to the limit. > "You could see a gym teacher > > who is > >certified in kindergarten through six grade > become a homeroom teacher, > > or an > >instrumental teacher might have to go back > to the classroom," district > >spokesman Mario Morrow said. > >Kenneth Burnley, CEO of the Detroit Public > Schools, said he also plans > > to > >renegotiate the district's contract with > the Detroit Federation of > > Teachers > >in order reduce or eliminate 3-4 percent > annual raises that teachers > > are > >due. > >The 151,000-student school district-the > largest in the state-has been > > hit > >hard by federal and state budget cuts, the > ongoing loss of > > manufacturing > >jobs and tax revenue in Michigan, rising > fuel costs and a decline in > >enrollment. Over the last eight years > nearly 30,000 students have > >transferred to charter, private and > suburba
Re: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs
I wonder if they would have mentioned such stats if the 90% had been WASP, this sh*t really gets my goat... 5/4/04 10:07 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED]@blueyonder.co.uk > yep true and sad > > -Original Message- > From: Katrin Richter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Mon 05/04/2004 10:56 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org > Cc: > Subject: AW: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs > > > > Well, I guess this says it all: > > "Ninety percent of the remaining students are African-American, with more than > 7 out of 10 students coming from families living below the official poverty > level." > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Gesendet: Montag, 5. April 2004 11:37 > An: Katrin Richter; 313@hyperreal.org > Betreff: RE: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs > > so the simple thing is to invest :) > > I know we all have a soft spot for Detroit and so I am be a little biased here > but is it me > or is detroit picked on? I think they should if they ae doing cut backs, use > the money to invest in the city > not make matters worse.. > >-Original Message- >From: Katrin Richter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Mon 05/04/2004 09:49 >To: 313@hyperreal.org >Cc: >Subject: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs > > > >I guess this is on topic as school was the only place to hook up for >Derrick, Kevin and Juan as there was nowhere else to go > >Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs >By Jerry Isaacs >3 April 2004 >Use this version to print | Send this link by email | Email the author >Detroit Public Schools officials announced Thursday the district would > lay >off 3,200 school employees, including 900 teachers, by July 1. The job > cuts, >which amount to 13 percent of the workforce, are in response to a > budget >shortfall of $78 million last year and a projected deficit of $91 > million in >2005, officials say. >The cuts in the $1.5 billion budget follow an announcement last month > that >an additional 450 administrators could lose their jobs. The district, > which >already faces chronic overcrowding in the classrooms, also plans to > shut at >least three schools, in addition to the 16 closed or consolidated last > year. >The budget for supplies and purchased services will be cut by more than >one-third to save $50 million, with funding for playground improvements >slashed from $1 million to $250,000. >The layoffs will wreak havoc, particularly for teachers who are already >short-handed and stretched to the limit. "You could see a gym teacher > who is >certified in kindergarten through six grade become a homeroom teacher, > or an >instrumental teacher might have to go back to the classroom," district >spokesman Mario Morrow said. >Kenneth Burnley, CEO of the Detroit Public Schools, said he also plans > to >renegotiate the district's contract with the Detroit Federation of > Teachers >in order reduce or eliminate 3-4 percent annual raises that teachers > are >due. >The 151,000-student school district-the largest in the state-has been > hit >hard by federal and state budget cuts, the ongoing loss of > manufacturing >jobs and tax revenue in Michigan, rising fuel costs and a decline in >enrollment. Over the last eight years nearly 30,000 students have >transferred to charter, private and suburban schools. Ninety percent of > the >remaining students are African-American, with more than 7 out of 10 > students >coming from families living below the official poverty level. >Facing a $1 billion state deficit, Michigan's Democratic governor > Jennifer >Granholm and the state legislature are cutting per-pupil grants for > K-12 >education by $55 per student and revising the formula for counting > pupils in >schools, in order to slash another $43 million from state spending for >schools. In the proposed state budget, Detroit could also lose another > $15 >million it has been receiving since the state took over the district in >1999. On Wednesday the state senate also rejected a plan that would > have >given extra money to districts with declining enrollments. >Because of stagnating or falling revenue school districts throughout >Michigan are facing budget cuts and layoffs. According to Tom White, >executive director of the Michigan School Business officials, 90 > percent of >state districts are planning to lay off staff or not fill open > positions. >"It's like getting squeezed by a python," he said, the "pressure just > is >increasing as time goes by. It is going to get ugly and I don't hear a > gr
RE: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs
As someone who is from detroit and getting ready to enter the teacher work force this cuts deep. I'm glad this was posted to the list-I think it adds some more dimension to a city that is just referred to here in a techno context. I'm also glad to see the article mentioned the no child left behind act. In the whole cycle of everything, these kind of actions kill a city. How can you expect a city to thrive when it's schools/communities can't even support themselves? What happens when the foundation starts to crumble? Truely sad. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > yep true and sad > > -Original Message- > From: Katrin Richter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Mon 05/04/2004 10:56 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org > > Cc: > Subject: AW: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 > jobs > > > > Well, I guess this says it all: > > "Ninety percent of the remaining students are > African-American, with more than 7 out of 10 > students coming from families living below the > official poverty level." > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Gesendet: Montag, 5. April 2004 11:37 > An: Katrin Richter; 313@hyperreal.org > Betreff: RE: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 > jobs > > so the simple thing is to invest :) > > I know we all have a soft spot for Detroit and so I > am be a little biased here but is it me > or is detroit picked on? I think they should if > they ae doing cut backs, use the money to invest in > the city > not make matters worse.. > > -Original Message- > From: Katrin Richter > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Mon 05/04/2004 09:49 > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Cc: > Subject: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 > jobs > > > > I guess this is on topic as school was the > only place to hook up for > Derrick, Kevin and Juan as there was > nowhere else to go > > Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs > By Jerry Isaacs > 3 April 2004 > Use this version to print | Send this link > by email | Email the author > Detroit Public Schools officials announced > Thursday the district would lay > off 3,200 school employees, including 900 > teachers, by July 1. The job cuts, > which amount to 13 percent of the > workforce, are in response to a budget > shortfall of $78 million last year and a > projected deficit of $91 million in > 2005, officials say. > The cuts in the $1.5 billion budget follow > an announcement last month that > an additional 450 administrators could lose > their jobs. The district, which > already faces chronic overcrowding in the > classrooms, also plans to shut at > least three schools, in addition to the 16 > closed or consolidated last year. > The budget for supplies and purchased > services will be cut by more than > one-third to save $50 million, with funding > for playground improvements > slashed from $1 million to $250,000. > The layoffs will wreak havoc, particularly > for teachers who are already > short-handed and stretched to the limit. > "You could see a gym teacher who is > certified in kindergarten through six grade > become a homeroom teacher, or an > instrumental teacher might have to go back > to the classroom," district > spokesman Mario Morrow said. > Kenneth Burnley, CEO of the Detroit Public > Schools, said he also plans to > renegotiate the district's contract with > the Detroit Federation of Teachers > in order reduce or eliminate 3-4 percent > annual raises that teachers are > due. > The 151,000-student school district-the > largest in the state-has been hit > hard by federal and state budget cuts, the > ongoing loss of manufacturing > jobs and tax revenue in Michigan, rising > fuel costs and a decline in > enrollment. Over the last eight years > nearly 30,000 students have > transferred to charter, private and > suburban schools. Ninety percent of the > remaining students are African-American, > with more than 7 out of 10 students > coming from families living below the > official poverty level. > Facing a $1 billion state deficit, > Michigan's Democratic governor Jennifer > Granholm and the state legislature are > cutting per-pupil grants for K-12 > education by $55 per student and revising > the f
RE: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs
yep true and sad -Original Message- From: Katrin Richter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 05/04/2004 10:56 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Subject: AW: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs Well, I guess this says it all: "Ninety percent of the remaining students are African-American, with more than 7 out of 10 students coming from families living below the official poverty level." -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Montag, 5. April 2004 11:37 An: Katrin Richter; 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: RE: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs so the simple thing is to invest :) I know we all have a soft spot for Detroit and so I am be a little biased here but is it me or is detroit picked on? I think they should if they ae doing cut backs, use the money to invest in the city not make matters worse.. -Original Message- From: Katrin Richter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 05/04/2004 09:49 To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Subject: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs I guess this is on topic as school was the only place to hook up for Derrick, Kevin and Juan as there was nowhere else to go Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs By Jerry Isaacs 3 April 2004 Use this version to print | Send this link by email | Email the author Detroit Public Schools officials announced Thursday the district would lay off 3,200 school employees, including 900 teachers, by July 1. The job cuts, which amount to 13 percent of the workforce, are in response to a budget shortfall of $78 million last year and a projected deficit of $91 million in 2005, officials say. The cuts in the $1.5 billion budget follow an announcement last month that an additional 450 administrators could lose their jobs. The district, which already faces chronic overcrowding in the classrooms, also plans to shut at least three schools, in addition to the 16 closed or consolidated last year. The budget for supplies and purchased services will be cut by more than one-third to save $50 million, with funding for playground improvements slashed from $1 million to $250,000. The layoffs will wreak havoc, particularly for teachers who are already short-handed and stretched to the limit. "You could see a gym teacher who is certified in kindergarten through six grade become a homeroom teacher, or an instrumental teacher might have to go back to the classroom," district spokesman Mario Morrow said. Kenneth Burnley, CEO of the Detroit Public Schools, said he also plans to renegotiate the district's contract with the Detroit Federation of Teachers in order reduce or eliminate 3-4 percent annual raises that teachers are due. The 151,000-student school district-the largest in the state-has been hit hard by federal and state budget cuts, the ongoing loss of manufacturing jobs and tax revenue in Michigan, rising fuel costs and a decline in enrollment. Over the last eight years nearly 30,000 students have transferred to charter, private and suburban schools. Ninety percent of the remaining students are African-American, with more than 7 out of 10 students coming from families living below the official poverty level. Facing a $1 billion state deficit, Michigan's Democratic governor Jennifer Granholm and the state legislature are cutting per-pupil grants for K-12 education by $55 per student and revising the formula for counting pupils in schools, in order to slash another $43 million from state spending for schools. In the proposed state budget, Detroit could also lose another $15 million it has been receiving since the state took over the district in 1999. On Wednesday the state senate also rejected a plan that would have given extra money to districts with declining enrollments. Because of stagnating or falling revenue school districts throughout Michigan are facing budget cuts and layoffs. According to Tom
RE: (313) Scion/Moritz Von Oswald in London
Scion were breathtaking. Despite a less-than-perfect sound rig which didn't emphasise the extreme bottom- and top-end as much as I'd have liked, they sounded amazing. They were like electronic chefs creating a Basic Channel soup using such tasty ingredients as Infinition, Phylyps Track, Octagon, Quadrant Dub, etc etc - everything thrown into the mix and seemingly built up from scratch rather than just a straight copy of the Arrange & Process CD. They were using an outboard mixer and effects units as well as the laptop running Ableton, and so the soundscape they produced was extremely rich; it was sounding a bit deeper than it might have been had Ableton been the only tool used. The set was continually flowing and pulsing in that BC sort of style, without ever going either too ambient or too hard - really good arrangement IMHO, and the hour they were on for seemed to fly past really quickly. We need to have more Scion live performances! It was really good to meet Greg and a few other 313ers I hadn't met before, so hi to everyone I ended up blabbering on at overexcitedly... it's been a great few weeks for events in the UK what with T-Funkshun playing host to Kenny Larkin a few weeks back, Kraftwerk's series of gigs and Scion this last weekend. I hope the rest of this year ends up being as good as as the first three months have been! Brendan > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 05 April 2004 10:50 > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: (313) Scion/Moritz Von Oswald in London > > > Hi. > > Did anyone see Scion on Friday? > > or Moritz Von Oswald Sunday night? > > How was it?? > > Dying to know. > > Alex > _ > > - End of message text > > This e-mail is sent by the above named in their > individual, non-business capacity and is not on > behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. > > PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming > e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and > telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you > give your consent to such monitoring > > > >
AW: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs
Well, I guess this says it all: "Ninety percent of the remaining students are African-American, with more than 7 out of 10 students coming from families living below the official poverty level." -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Montag, 5. April 2004 11:37 An: Katrin Richter; 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: RE: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs so the simple thing is to invest :) I know we all have a soft spot for Detroit and so I am be a little biased here but is it me or is detroit picked on? I think they should if they ae doing cut backs, use the money to invest in the city not make matters worse.. -Original Message- From: Katrin Richter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 05/04/2004 09:49 To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Subject: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs I guess this is on topic as school was the only place to hook up for Derrick, Kevin and Juan as there was nowhere else to go Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs By Jerry Isaacs 3 April 2004 Use this version to print | Send this link by email | Email the author Detroit Public Schools officials announced Thursday the district would lay off 3,200 school employees, including 900 teachers, by July 1. The job cuts, which amount to 13 percent of the workforce, are in response to a budget shortfall of $78 million last year and a projected deficit of $91 million in 2005, officials say. The cuts in the $1.5 billion budget follow an announcement last month that an additional 450 administrators could lose their jobs. The district, which already faces chronic overcrowding in the classrooms, also plans to shut at least three schools, in addition to the 16 closed or consolidated last year. The budget for supplies and purchased services will be cut by more than one-third to save $50 million, with funding for playground improvements slashed from $1 million to $250,000. The layoffs will wreak havoc, particularly for teachers who are already short-handed and stretched to the limit. "You could see a gym teacher who is certified in kindergarten through six grade become a homeroom teacher, or an instrumental teacher might have to go back to the classroom," district spokesman Mario Morrow said. Kenneth Burnley, CEO of the Detroit Public Schools, said he also plans to renegotiate the district's contract with the Detroit Federation of Teachers in order reduce or eliminate 3-4 percent annual raises that teachers are due. The 151,000-student school district-the largest in the state-has been hit hard by federal and state budget cuts, the ongoing loss of manufacturing jobs and tax revenue in Michigan, rising fuel costs and a decline in enrollment. Over the last eight years nearly 30,000 students have transferred to charter, private and suburban schools. Ninety percent of the remaining students are African-American, with more than 7 out of 10 students coming from families living below the official poverty level. Facing a $1 billion state deficit, Michigan's Democratic governor Jennifer Granholm and the state legislature are cutting per-pupil grants for K-12 education by $55 per student and revising the formula for counting pupils in schools, in order to slash another $43 million from state spending for schools. In the proposed state budget, Detroit could also lose another $15 million it has been receiving since the state took over the district in 1999. On Wednesday the state senate also rejected a plan that would have given extra money to districts with declining enrollments. Because of stagnating or falling revenue school districts throughout Michigan are facing budget cuts and layoffs. According to Tom White, executive director of the Michigan School Business officials, 90 percent of state districts are planning to lay off staff or not fill open positions. "It's like getting squeezed by a python," he said, the "pressure just is increasing as time goes by. It is going to get ugly and I don't hear a great deal of concern being raised in [the state capital] Lansing." Like other districts nationwide, Detroit schools are also threatened by the provisions of the Bush administration's 2001 federal education plan, the so-called No Child Left Behind Act, which removes federal funds if districts fail to achieve specific academic goals. One quarter of the district's schools have already been warned they must overhaul their operations because of "chronic failure." The school distric
Re: (313) Scion/Moritz Von Oswald in London
> Did anyone see Scion on Friday? > > or Moritz Von Oswald Sunday night? I went to see Rhythm & Sound and Paul St Hilaire (the artist formerly known as Tikiman) in Glasgow on Friday. The event was held at the WInter Gardens on Glasgow Green - an enormous glass conservatory filled with exotic plants, attached to the People's Palace museum in the middle of a huge park. Mark and Moritz were in their 'Rhythm & Sound 45 sessions' guise, which meant they were basically just playing dub 7"s, with Moritz working an echo unit and a dub siren and Paul St Hilaire doing live vocals on top. Plenty of sublime moments, although they didn't play any of their own material, just loads of obscure dub records, most of which I didn't recognise. All good fun though, and they were accompanied by some excellent visuals courtesy of the Glasshouse Transmissions crew - hats off to them for another adventurous night of clubbing in the city, following their previous events with the likes of Weatherall, Skam DJs and Plaid at the same venue. So did anyone go and see R&S at Plastic People in London on Sunday? I bet it would have sounded awesome on that sound system... Cheers, Tom
(313) Scion/Moritz Von Oswald in London
Hi. Did anyone see Scion on Friday? or Moritz Von Oswald Sunday night? How was it?? Dying to know. Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
RE: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs
so the simple thing is to invest :) I know we all have a soft spot for Detroit and so I am be a little biased here but is it me or is detroit picked on? I think they should if they ae doing cut backs, use the money to invest in the city not make matters worse.. -Original Message- From: Katrin Richter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 05/04/2004 09:49 To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Subject: (313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs I guess this is on topic as school was the only place to hook up for Derrick, Kevin and Juan as there was nowhere else to go Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs By Jerry Isaacs 3 April 2004 Use this version to print | Send this link by email | Email the author Detroit Public Schools officials announced Thursday the district would lay off 3,200 school employees, including 900 teachers, by July 1. The job cuts, which amount to 13 percent of the workforce, are in response to a budget shortfall of $78 million last year and a projected deficit of $91 million in 2005, officials say. The cuts in the $1.5 billion budget follow an announcement last month that an additional 450 administrators could lose their jobs. The district, which already faces chronic overcrowding in the classrooms, also plans to shut at least three schools, in addition to the 16 closed or consolidated last year. The budget for supplies and purchased services will be cut by more than one-third to save $50 million, with funding for playground improvements slashed from $1 million to $250,000. The layoffs will wreak havoc, particularly for teachers who are already short-handed and stretched to the limit. "You could see a gym teacher who is certified in kindergarten through six grade become a homeroom teacher, or an instrumental teacher might have to go back to the classroom," district spokesman Mario Morrow said. Kenneth Burnley, CEO of the Detroit Public Schools, said he also plans to renegotiate the district's contract with the Detroit Federation of Teachers in order reduce or eliminate 3-4 percent annual raises that teachers are due. The 151,000-student school district-the largest in the state-has been hit hard by federal and state budget cuts, the ongoing loss of manufacturing jobs and tax revenue in Michigan, rising fuel costs and a decline in enrollment. Over the last eight years nearly 30,000 students have transferred to charter, private and suburban schools. Ninety percent of the remaining students are African-American, with more than 7 out of 10 students coming from families living below the official poverty level. Facing a $1 billion state deficit, Michigan's Democratic governor Jennifer Granholm and the state legislature are cutting per-pupil grants for K-12 education by $55 per student and revising the formula for counting pupils in schools, in order to slash another $43 million from state spending for schools. In the proposed state budget, Detroit could also lose another $15 million it has been receiving since the state took over the district in 1999. On Wednesday the state senate also rejected a plan that would have given extra money to districts with declining enrollments. Because of stagnating or falling revenue school districts throughout Michigan are facing budget cuts and layoffs. According to Tom White, executive director of the Michigan School Business officials, 90 percent of state districts are planning to lay off staff or not fill open positions. "It's like getting squeezed by a python," he said, the "pressure just is increasing as time goes by. It is going to get ugly and I don't hear a great deal of concern being raised in [the state capital] Lansing." Like other districts nationwide, Detroit schools are also threatened by the provisions of the Bush administration's 2001 federal education plan, the so-called No Child Left Behind Act, which removes federal funds if districts fail to achieve specific academic goals. One quarter of the district's schools have already been warned they must overhaul their operations because of "chronic failure." The school district received a federal reading grant of nearly $6.5 million in August but continued funding hinges on 1st-through-8th and 10th-graders passing tests at the end of the school year. The budget cutbacks announced Thursday all but ensure future failures, guaranteeing even more devastating budget cuts. "We don't need any more cuts," said Mary, a longtime Detroit sch
(313) Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs
I guess this is on topic as school was the only place to hook up for Derrick, Kevin and Juan as there was nowhere else to go Detroit schools to cut 3,200 jobs By Jerry Isaacs 3 April 2004 Use this version to print | Send this link by email | Email the author Detroit Public Schools officials announced Thursday the district would lay off 3,200 school employees, including 900 teachers, by July 1. The job cuts, which amount to 13 percent of the workforce, are in response to a budget shortfall of $78 million last year and a projected deficit of $91 million in 2005, officials say. The cuts in the $1.5 billion budget follow an announcement last month that an additional 450 administrators could lose their jobs. The district, which already faces chronic overcrowding in the classrooms, also plans to shut at least three schools, in addition to the 16 closed or consolidated last year. The budget for supplies and purchased services will be cut by more than one-third to save $50 million, with funding for playground improvements slashed from $1 million to $250,000. The layoffs will wreak havoc, particularly for teachers who are already short-handed and stretched to the limit. "You could see a gym teacher who is certified in kindergarten through six grade become a homeroom teacher, or an instrumental teacher might have to go back to the classroom," district spokesman Mario Morrow said. Kenneth Burnley, CEO of the Detroit Public Schools, said he also plans to renegotiate the district's contract with the Detroit Federation of Teachers in order reduce or eliminate 3-4 percent annual raises that teachers are due. The 151,000-student school district-the largest in the state-has been hit hard by federal and state budget cuts, the ongoing loss of manufacturing jobs and tax revenue in Michigan, rising fuel costs and a decline in enrollment. Over the last eight years nearly 30,000 students have transferred to charter, private and suburban schools. Ninety percent of the remaining students are African-American, with more than 7 out of 10 students coming from families living below the official poverty level. Facing a $1 billion state deficit, Michigan's Democratic governor Jennifer Granholm and the state legislature are cutting per-pupil grants for K-12 education by $55 per student and revising the formula for counting pupils in schools, in order to slash another $43 million from state spending for schools. In the proposed state budget, Detroit could also lose another $15 million it has been receiving since the state took over the district in 1999. On Wednesday the state senate also rejected a plan that would have given extra money to districts with declining enrollments. Because of stagnating or falling revenue school districts throughout Michigan are facing budget cuts and layoffs. According to Tom White, executive director of the Michigan School Business officials, 90 percent of state districts are planning to lay off staff or not fill open positions. "It's like getting squeezed by a python," he said, the "pressure just is increasing as time goes by. It is going to get ugly and I don't hear a great deal of concern being raised in [the state capital] Lansing." Like other districts nationwide, Detroit schools are also threatened by the provisions of the Bush administration's 2001 federal education plan, the so-called No Child Left Behind Act, which removes federal funds if districts fail to achieve specific academic goals. One quarter of the district's schools have already been warned they must overhaul their operations because of "chronic failure." The school district received a federal reading grant of nearly $6.5 million in August but continued funding hinges on 1st-through-8th and 10th-graders passing tests at the end of the school year. The budget cutbacks announced Thursday all but ensure future failures, guaranteeing even more devastating budget cuts. "We don't need any more cuts," said Mary, a longtime Detroit school bus driver. "What is going to happen to the kids with special needs, the disabled and impaired students? We heard they plan to take away the bus attendants that help us in the busses with handicapped students. This is outrageous. "The conditions are already unbearable in the schools. Buildings are falling apart, there is no toilet paper or soap in the bathrooms, the classrooms are overcrowded and the teachers are spending money out of their own pockets for supplies. These budget cuts are taking the future away from our kids. With the casinos downtown making millions and CEOs are raking it in how can they say there is no money for schools? "You know the economy is way down when you start taking away from schools that are already hurting. How can you talk about 'No Child Left Behind' when you are laying off teachers?" See Also: Detroit school employees march against layoffs [22 February 2002] Detroit school restructuring plan attacks workers and students [17 April 2001] http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/apr2004/d
RE: (313) Movement line-up
i wonder if hes just playing a party outside the festival? hm. :) derek. On Sun, 4 Apr 2004, J. T. wrote: > i-f is a no-go.. > > _ > Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN > Premium! > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlb&pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/ > >
RE: (313) Movement line-up
i should add "as far as i hear.." ...if true, i'm still hoping he changes his mind... marco passarani & half of mat101 will be doing a little usa tour in mid-may..would be some nice additions to the lineup! i-f is a no-go.. _
RE: (313) Movement line-up
i-f is a no-go.. _ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlb&pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/
Re[2]: (313) Kraftwerk in Koln - plylst & review (spoilers!) LONG
7> please do me a favour and re-listen to expo 2000/planet of vision. Yeah, it's definitely "so electric". Some great rimixes on that expo 2000 disc also, by Rolando and UR, among others. -- Brian "balistic" Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno
