(313) Vault Radio - May 10, 2005
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Re: (313) Plant43/Datasette
J.T. wrote: look for a convextion/maetrik split 12" on ai in the near future Great news! jeff
Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
now back to the question, does everyone still assume that those people were wrong to fear this? Tom .. for starters I like you passion .. ' and .. I think you may have strong case .. but not a valid one unless you are willing to participate in certain behaviors that will mark you and Detriot music forever. Firstly I think everyone accepts and appreciates that Detroit music originated from Detroit. I have yet to meet a Detroit Techno lover who would suggest that Detroit is anything but the respectable home and heartland of Detroit Techno. However what you are suggesting is that Detroit has exclusive and complete rights to the label "Detroit Techno". This is possibly a commercially smart thing to do .. and has been done by the French in regard to their bubbly wine and local cheese. You are suggesting that the only people who can call their Techno "Detroit Techno" are people who are born and raised in Detroit. In a commercial sense you are probably following a clean line of thought. On a personal level I see you trying to protect the energy and truth of the early Detroit Techno. I see you also trying to protect the interests of local Detroit Artists. These are all valid things to do. However in order to protect these things you will need to essentially crush what is "Detroit Techno" into a can cover it in a series of warning labels and putting it on a special shelf for everyone to purchase. Historically I think Ritchie was probably a little cheeky to put that sticker out. But unless "Detroit Techno" took the legal steps to protect the labeling of music under that title then all you are left with is some assumed level of respect from artists outside Detroit that the label belongs only to Detroit artists. I believe if "Detroit Techno" had done this. If it had protected by legal means the labeling of music as "Detroit Techno" we would not be seeing what we are seeing today, which is a global interest and support for the music form. Tom ' I think you are totally on the correct wave length in terms of trying to gain the correct attention for Detroit Music people ... But I also think you are missing the point. The DEMF regardless of the play list is drawing a huge amount of attention from around the globe towards Detroit and the modern music form of Techno that is related to Detroit. Detroit Techno has started something, and yes everyone wants to be a part of it, but you should be proud of this and welcoming people to the City, to the festival. No other city in the world can boast to be what Detroit is .. and from where I am standing the DEMF is a celebration of what Detroit has started, and the fact that the festival is in the heart of the city is testament to what Detroit has committed to continue. While I respect you are upset, and for many good reasons. Until they start holding the DEMF in New York or Berlin I think you should work on the positives. But .. perhaps you think I have no right to comment because I don't live in Detroit. If thats the case then Detroit Techno should have never been played outside the city limits. .simon --- www.obscure.co.nz & www.psurkit.net -- m. +64 275 606012
Re: (313) Plant43/Datasette
look for a convextion/maetrik split 12" on ai in the near future
(313) Plant43/Datasette
As long as we're talking about what was cultivated in Detroit and spread/was co-opted/propagated across the pond, the Plant43/Datasette 12" on Ai sounds really nice on these ears. I hope Ai keeps churning them out in the calibre of this and the recent 06 sampler. I'm not an antiGermanminimalist, but it's nice to hear something that moves more along "mediumal" techno lines with that more lush type of production. jeff
(313) E-mail address
Hi there- does anyone have an e-mail address for Nicolas Hoeppner- I have decide do extend my stay in Germany over the weekend so I can go to the Rythym and Sound thing at Berghain on Saturday and I'd like to get in touch with him thanks for any help in advance Jason
(313) re RE: (313) a question regarding 313 and the afterparties question
Hey I only get this in digestive form, sorry I cannot rock this discussion. But hey is this the same list that did a afterparty what was it like 3 or 4 years ago. WTF happened to this list? It must be the internalized oppression that we americans are so fond of that prevents us from DIY ethoes. My inner child says, "live it up, or leave it alone and then a bunch of crazy talk about eating a bob's big boy or white castle (neither exsist on the west coast). What is really important is who is going to what afterparty and why? There are too many choices again, and we all know that some will be empty, but with great music. In 8 days I am going to be in detroit, I can hardly wait... tom e.
Re: (313) Re: cosmic style mix by joakim
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 03:13:34PM -0400, Stoddard, Kamal wrote: > I feel you guilherme. That tutu33 mix is insane! It's wy too short Short? It is 1:11 (71 minutes) here... Long enough IMO. > though. Any mixes with that same slow, doped-up, tripped out throbby > type of italo (good stuff) that you know of? I checked the joakim and I > liked it, but I also noticed the lack of...something special? It is not that bad, but for sure it is not inspiring... Have you heard Harvey's sarcasticdisco? It has some italo/cosmic but mostly it is balearic... wicked selection: http://www.harveysarcasticdisco.com/cd/audio/harveysarcasticdiscocd.ram Also like one of MozArt mixes which url was posted around here some time ago. It is one with Los Ninos + loads of drums + some old Jorge Ben... sounds quite strange, but rather well sequenced/mixed. G > -Original Message- > From: J.T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 2:58 PM > To: Guilherme Menegon Arantes > Cc: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: (313) Re: cosmic style mix by joakim > > ahh that's too bad. i havent checked it yet. still sounds worth > listening to at least... > guess the cosmic revival thing is getting a bit trendy and > trying-too-hard too. then again maybe i just hang out on CBS too much. > > ps hey guilherme! > > > > >May I say I wasn't v. impressed with this?!? Was expecting more because > >of his prod. and of comments on him. > > > >IMHO, some of the best tracks he plays here are now famous because of > >other mixes (mostly Harvey's sarcasticdisco and Marni's tutu33, which > >are miles away better than this). The sequencing and mixing are not v. > >inspiring, too... > > > >G > > > >__ > > > >Por favor, note meu novo email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Please, note my new email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __ Dr. Guilherme Menegon ArantesSao Paulo, Brasil __ Por favor, note meu novo email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please, note my new email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
Ben, It is certainly true that music CAN and DOES transcend the things that keep us down in life. However, I find the assertion that we do not have to address the facts of racism and other political issues simply because we are in a musical arena extremely troubling. Music, not even techno, is not immune to racism, no matter how hardly you might want to believe that it is. Kelly, one of the few women wading through this sausage-fest. -Original Message- From: Ben Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:41 PM To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno Passion is prominent. And there ain't nuthin wrong with it. Whatever colour or 'oppressed culture', you may be a part of! Music as a whole, transcends the race issue, the political issue and the issue of who's right and who's wrong! The fact that we ALL, at some point in our lives, find change difficult, is all to obvious. I have a mental image of the most passioned people on this list. But no-one else. I think I'm pretty dam close too. We need people like you guys to keep the world turning. Or else those of us who can't get to grips with standing still, would have no-one to call a mate in our home towns. Remember to clean your rooms:D P.s a word from the inner grooves of EQUNIOX CHAPTER ONE on retroactive. When it was all about the music:- A side inner etched with - hope it rocks your box as hard as it bumps ours B side inner etched with - music for passing the time by . sittiing under a tree ben On 17/5/06 8:10 pm, "Stoddard, Kamal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Perhaps the reason they are all "busy" this year is because they knew > you >> would be there, with your incessant whining drowning out their sets all > >> weekend. > > > I don't know about all that. Even though I've seen tom push his opinion > a lot further than most would like (including me on occasion). I think > some peoples reaction to his comments on this subject in particular are > more a product of knee jerk reaction (here comes tom) than any kind of > comments in his first post. Like JT already said, it was a rather > informative observation. It was also a question which he's asked twice > and so far (excluding pm's) I believe I'm the only one to respond to > that part of it instead of mocking the observation. It's been obvious to > me (in the course of this thread alone) that no one even attempted a > serious response to his question (which could've sparked more > intelligent convo). I think I'd get a little defensive too if I asked a > completely valid question and all I got was a bunch of jokes and "yeah > right's" and "there HE goes" type replies. And on the subject of the > Detroit artists dodging tom, I know for a fact that more than a few > prominent Detroit artists happen to feel the same way about this years > fest (some are playing anyway) but public forums aren't their thing. So > my reply to Tom's original question (which every reply so far has > artfully dodged in favour of lighthearted humour or derision)which never > made it to the list for some reason is included below. > > -- > My original reply: > > -Tom Asked: >> does anyone now feel like maybe those concerned initially back in the > day >were well founded? > > > Any black person in the united states (post colonial)that has concerns > regarding oppression/culture thievery/marginalization is well founded. > This is not a Detroit affliction. It's an imperialist affliction and the > actions observed can be justifiably understood to speak to that specific > mentality (in small or large part). In short, I've always felt they were > well founded. Carl (et al)'s gotta be saying, "2006 and shxxt still > ain't changed." > > > I'd go just for Rob Hood to be honest, but I can't bring myself to > support something I don't believe in, strictly for the sake of hedonism. > I hope all the rest of you have a ball (cause the current state of the > fest can swing on mine). > > > > K >
Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
Passion is prominent. And there ain't nuthin wrong with it. Whatever colour or 'oppressed culture', you may be a part of! Music as a whole, transcends the race issue, the political issue and the issue of who's right and who's wrong! The fact that we ALL, at some point in our lives, find change difficult, is all to obvious. I have a mental image of the most passioned people on this list. But no-one else. I think I'm pretty dam close too. We need people like you guys to keep the world turning. Or else those of us who can't get to grips with standing still, would have no-one to call a mate in our home towns. Remember to clean your rooms:D P.s a word from the inner grooves of EQUNIOX CHAPTER ONE on retroactive. When it was all about the music:- A side inner etched with - hope it rocks your box as hard as it bumps ours B side inner etched with - music for passing the time by . sittiing under a tree ben On 17/5/06 8:10 pm, "Stoddard, Kamal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Perhaps the reason they are all "busy" this year is because they knew > you >> would be there, with your incessant whining drowning out their sets all > >> weekend. > > > I don't know about all that. Even though I've seen tom push his opinion > a lot further than most would like (including me on occasion). I think > some peoples reaction to his comments on this subject in particular are > more a product of knee jerk reaction (here comes tom) than any kind of > comments in his first post. Like JT already said, it was a rather > informative observation. It was also a question which he's asked twice > and so far (excluding pm's) I believe I'm the only one to respond to > that part of it instead of mocking the observation. It's been obvious to > me (in the course of this thread alone) that no one even attempted a > serious response to his question (which could've sparked more > intelligent convo). I think I'd get a little defensive too if I asked a > completely valid question and all I got was a bunch of jokes and "yeah > right's" and "there HE goes" type replies. And on the subject of the > Detroit artists dodging tom, I know for a fact that more than a few > prominent Detroit artists happen to feel the same way about this years > fest (some are playing anyway) but public forums aren't their thing. So > my reply to Tom's original question (which every reply so far has > artfully dodged in favour of lighthearted humour or derision)which never > made it to the list for some reason is included below. > > -- > My original reply: > > -Tom Asked: >> does anyone now feel like maybe those concerned initially back in the > day >were well founded? > > > Any black person in the united states (post colonial)that has concerns > regarding oppression/culture thievery/marginalization is well founded. > This is not a Detroit affliction. It's an imperialist affliction and the > actions observed can be justifiably understood to speak to that specific > mentality (in small or large part). In short, I've always felt they were > well founded. Carl (et al)'s gotta be saying, "2006 and shxxt still > ain't changed." > > > I'd go just for Rob Hood to be honest, but I can't bring myself to > support something I don't believe in, strictly for the sake of hedonism. > I hope all the rest of you have a ball (cause the current state of the > fest can swing on mine). > > > > K >
Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
no, i wasnt -- the opposite, i posted that of course people are clowning because it's a huge can of worms. stop making me say clowning, it's retarded -Original Message- >From: Matt Kane's Brain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: May 17, 2006 3:26 PM >To: "J.T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: 313@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno > >Weren't you just complaining about clowning? > >On May 17, 2006, at 15:20, J.T. wrote: > >> yeah it's mashed potatoes but dang you can fill your whole plate >> with em!! i'm a music geek/snob and i want some a la carte >> chit...pork tenderloin...and uh..ok i'm hungry sorry > >-- >matt kane's brain >http://hydrogenproject.com >aim -> mkbatwerk || mkbwriu >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
RE: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
AWWW DAM! I mistakenly replied to that last email from MKB not noticing that it was private. Millions of apologies mr. kane. And there I am talking about knee jerk reactions eh? I just typed in a fit and hit send. My bad man. And a huge slap on the wrist (or ass if you're hot). Seriously, sorry dude. K
Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
Weren't you just complaining about clowning? On May 17, 2006, at 15:20, J.T. wrote: yeah it's mashed potatoes but dang you can fill your whole plate with em!! i'm a music geek/snob and i want some a la carte chit...pork tenderloin...and uh..ok i'm hungry sorry -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim -> mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
AghhhLUNCH..TENDER.LOINS.loinsloinz K :P -Original Message- From: J.T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:20 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno ditto kamal...you just typed everything i dont have patience to type...i'm kinda surprised how complacent everybody on the list has become...but then hardly anybody on here even talks about actual, specific music much of the time, so i'm only a little surprised...you're all buffet diners...yeah it's mashed potatoes but dang you can fill your whole plate with em!! i'm a music geek/snob and i want some a la carte chit...pork tenderloin...and uh..ok i'm hungry sorry -Original Message- >From: "Stoddard, Kamal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: May 17, 2006 3:10 PM >To: Carissa Tintinalli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org >Subject: RE: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno > > >>Perhaps the reason they are all "busy" this year is because they knew >you >>would be there, with your incessant whining drowning out their sets all > >>weekend. > > >I don't know about all that. Even though I've seen tom push his opinion >a lot further than most would like (including me on occasion). I think >some peoples reaction to his comments on this subject in particular are >more a product of knee jerk reaction (here comes tom) than any kind of >comments in his first post. Like JT already said, it was a rather >informative observation. It was also a question which he's asked twice >and so far (excluding pm's) I believe I'm the only one to respond to >that part of it instead of mocking the observation. It's been obvious to >me (in the course of this thread alone) that no one even attempted a >serious response to his question (which could've sparked more >intelligent convo). I think I'd get a little defensive too if I asked a >completely valid question and all I got was a bunch of jokes and "yeah >right's" and "there HE goes" type replies. And on the subject of the >Detroit artists dodging tom, I know for a fact that more than a few >prominent Detroit artists happen to feel the same way about this years >fest (some are playing anyway) but public forums aren't their thing. So >my reply to Tom's original question (which every reply so far has >artfully dodged in favour of lighthearted humour or derision)which never >made it to the list for some reason is included below. >--- - >-- >My original reply: >--- - >-Tom Asked: >> does anyone now feel like maybe those concerned initially back in the >day >were well founded? > > >Any black person in the united states (post colonial)that has concerns >regarding oppression/culture thievery/marginalization is well founded. >This is not a Detroit affliction. It's an imperialist affliction and the >actions observed can be justifiably understood to speak to that specific >mentality (in small or large part). In short, I've always felt they were >well founded. Carl (et al)'s gotta be saying, "2006 and shxxt still >ain't changed." > > >I'd go just for Rob Hood to be honest, but I can't bring myself to >support something I don't believe in, strictly for the sake of hedonism. >I hope all the rest of you have a ball (cause the current state of the >fest can swing on mine). > > > >K >
FW: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
>Yeah, I attempted a serious response, only to get pissed off and not >bother after the first response. >-- >matt kane's brain That you did my friend. And it was as decent an observation as could be expected. But it said nothing to the question. That was my point. He made an observation, then asked a question. Instead of answering the question, most sat right down on his observation or, in your case countered with another. But you didn't speak to the question (and I was really looking forward to some intelligent and differing opinions on it). Tom can speak for himself though, and I'm starting to feel like a cheerleader. Just saying...be fair. Stick to the point. So...in light of WHATEVER observations are made regarding the current lineup and slot selection by WHOMEVER, does anyone now feel like maybe those concerned initially back in the day were well founded? K
RE: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
ditto kamal...you just typed everything i dont have patience to type...i'm kinda surprised how complacent everybody on the list has become...but then hardly anybody on here even talks about actual, specific music much of the time, so i'm only a little surprised...you're all buffet diners...yeah it's mashed potatoes but dang you can fill your whole plate with em!! i'm a music geek/snob and i want some a la carte chit...pork tenderloin...and uh..ok i'm hungry sorry -Original Message- >From: "Stoddard, Kamal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: May 17, 2006 3:10 PM >To: Carissa Tintinalli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], >313@hyperreal.org >Subject: RE: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno > > >>Perhaps the reason they are all "busy" this year is because they knew >you >>would be there, with your incessant whining drowning out their sets all > >>weekend. > > >I don't know about all that. Even though I've seen tom push his opinion >a lot further than most would like (including me on occasion). I think >some peoples reaction to his comments on this subject in particular are >more a product of knee jerk reaction (here comes tom) than any kind of >comments in his first post. Like JT already said, it was a rather >informative observation. It was also a question which he's asked twice >and so far (excluding pm's) I believe I'm the only one to respond to >that part of it instead of mocking the observation. It's been obvious to >me (in the course of this thread alone) that no one even attempted a >serious response to his question (which could've sparked more >intelligent convo). I think I'd get a little defensive too if I asked a >completely valid question and all I got was a bunch of jokes and "yeah >right's" and "there HE goes" type replies. And on the subject of the >Detroit artists dodging tom, I know for a fact that more than a few >prominent Detroit artists happen to feel the same way about this years >fest (some are playing anyway) but public forums aren't their thing. So >my reply to Tom's original question (which every reply so far has >artfully dodged in favour of lighthearted humour or derision)which never >made it to the list for some reason is included below. > >-- >My original reply: > >-Tom Asked: >> does anyone now feel like maybe those concerned initially back in the >day >were well founded? > > >Any black person in the united states (post colonial)that has concerns >regarding oppression/culture thievery/marginalization is well founded. >This is not a Detroit affliction. It's an imperialist affliction and the >actions observed can be justifiably understood to speak to that specific >mentality (in small or large part). In short, I've always felt they were >well founded. Carl (et al)'s gotta be saying, "2006 and shxxt still >ain't changed." > > >I'd go just for Rob Hood to be honest, but I can't bring myself to >support something I don't believe in, strictly for the sake of hedonism. >I hope all the rest of you have a ball (cause the current state of the >fest can swing on mine). > > > >K >
RE: (313) Re: cosmic style mix by joakim
I feel you guilherme. That tutu33 mix is insane! It's wy too short though. Any mixes with that same slow, doped-up, tripped out throbby type of italo (good stuff) that you know of? I checked the joakim and I liked it, but I also noticed the lack of...something special? K -Original Message- From: J.T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 2:58 PM To: Guilherme Menegon Arantes Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Re: cosmic style mix by joakim ahh that's too bad. i havent checked it yet. still sounds worth listening to at least... guess the cosmic revival thing is getting a bit trendy and trying-too-hard too. then again maybe i just hang out on CBS too much. ps hey guilherme! > >May I say I wasn't v. impressed with this?!? Was expecting more because >of his prod. and of comments on him. > >IMHO, some of the best tracks he plays here are now famous because of >other mixes (mostly Harvey's sarcasticdisco and Marni's tutu33, which >are miles away better than this). The sequencing and mixing are not v. >inspiring, too... > >G > >__ > >Por favor, note meu novo email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Please, note my new email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
RE: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
>Perhaps the reason they are all "busy" this year is because they knew you >would be there, with your incessant whining drowning out their sets all >weekend. I don't know about all that. Even though I've seen tom push his opinion a lot further than most would like (including me on occasion). I think some peoples reaction to his comments on this subject in particular are more a product of knee jerk reaction (here comes tom) than any kind of comments in his first post. Like JT already said, it was a rather informative observation. It was also a question which he's asked twice and so far (excluding pm's) I believe I'm the only one to respond to that part of it instead of mocking the observation. It's been obvious to me (in the course of this thread alone) that no one even attempted a serious response to his question (which could've sparked more intelligent convo). I think I'd get a little defensive too if I asked a completely valid question and all I got was a bunch of jokes and "yeah right's" and "there HE goes" type replies. And on the subject of the Detroit artists dodging tom, I know for a fact that more than a few prominent Detroit artists happen to feel the same way about this years fest (some are playing anyway) but public forums aren't their thing. So my reply to Tom's original question (which every reply so far has artfully dodged in favour of lighthearted humour or derision)which never made it to the list for some reason is included below. -- My original reply: -Tom Asked: > does anyone now feel like maybe those concerned initially back in the day >were well founded? Any black person in the united states (post colonial)that has concerns regarding oppression/culture thievery/marginalization is well founded. This is not a Detroit affliction. It's an imperialist affliction and the actions observed can be justifiably understood to speak to that specific mentality (in small or large part). In short, I've always felt they were well founded. Carl (et al)'s gotta be saying, "2006 and shxxt still ain't changed." I'd go just for Rob Hood to be honest, but I can't bring myself to support something I don't believe in, strictly for the sake of hedonism. I hope all the rest of you have a ball (cause the current state of the fest can swing on mine). K
Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
Yeah, let's have another It's.All.About.Me.Me.Me.Me list fight. Thanks, I'll pass. fh - >On 5/17/06, Ben Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Sing the blues tom...lets stay still and not move, lets stick to the same >> sound and not alter our train of thought to move this world!! >> Whomever makes the music that moves you, is not an issue. To me anyhow! >> Lets dance > >born yesterday eh? you dont say. > >tom >
(313) Re: cosmic style mix by joakim
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 09:57:53AM -0400, J.T. wrote: > for those who dig this kinda stuff (hi alex!) > > http://www.tigersushi.com/site/insider/Joakim%20mix%20-%20bread&better%202006%20-%20part%201-002.mp3 > May I say I wasn't v. impressed with this?!? Was expecting more because of his prod. and of comments on him. IMHO, some of the best tracks he plays here are now famous because of other mixes (mostly Harvey's sarcasticdisco and Marni's tutu33, which are miles away better than this). The sequencing and mixing are not v. inspiring, too... G __ Por favor, note meu novo email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please, note my new email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(313) Re: cosmic style mix by joakim
ahh that's too bad. i havent checked it yet. still sounds worth listening to at least... guess the cosmic revival thing is getting a bit trendy and trying-too-hard too. then again maybe i just hang out on CBS too much. ps hey guilherme! > >May I say I wasn't v. impressed with this?!? Was expecting more because >of his prod. and of comments on him. > >IMHO, some of the best tracks he plays here are now famous because of >other mixes (mostly Harvey's sarcasticdisco and Marni's tutu33, which >are miles away better than this). The sequencing and mixing are not v. >inspiring, too... > >G > >__ > >Por favor, note meu novo email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Please, note my new email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
Perhaps the reason they are all "busy" this year is because they knew you would be there, with your incessant whining drowning out their sets all weekend. From: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> funny that everyone in detroit would be busy on festival weekend for the first time in 7 years. i guess they all forgot! silly techno electro and ghetto tech guys!
Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
well yeah tom, clowning because uh...duh. i mean it's either "duh" or start some ridiculous discussion that will fall flat on it's face about the huge issue of cultural gentrification and the roots of the problem if it is a real problem and blah blah blah. i thought it was an insightful observation you made but there isnt really much more to say. yeah. go read some nelson george or something. and happy belated mother's day, you mother. ps i wont be in detroit but i will kick your ass some other time :D -Original Message- >From: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: May 17, 2006 2:09 PM >To: 313@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno > >On 5/17/06, Rob Theakston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Not a WORD from you Marsel. You and you European musicians whose quality >> rivals or exceeds the majority of Detroit's output in the past few years >> need to stay put. We don't need you at any festival from herein. > >clowning yet again. i used to respect you rob. not anymore. > >tom
RE: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
You need to stop having so much fun. -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 2:10 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno On 5/17/06, Rob Theakston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not a WORD from you Marsel. You and you European musicians whose quality > rivals or exceeds the majority of Detroit's output in the past few years > need to stay put. We don't need you at any festival from herein. clowning yet again. i used to respect you rob. not anymore. tom
FW: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
-- Forwarded Message From: Ben Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 19:13:30 +0100 To: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno Thanks tom and back to the studio. More witless and pointless retorts coming right up, after these messages... On 17/5/06 7:02 pm, "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/17/06, Ben Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Exactly my friend. >> No pre programmed thoughts or ideas.just fresh all the time >> >> GA GA GOO GOO > > rght. you might be the most programmed person to have posted in > this thread. > > tom -- End of Forwarded Message
Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
On 5/17/06, Rob Theakston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Not a WORD from you Marsel. You and you European musicians whose quality rivals or exceeds the majority of Detroit's output in the past few years need to stay put. We don't need you at any festival from herein. clowning yet again. i used to respect you rob. not anymore. tom
RE: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
Not a WORD from you Marsel. You and you European musicians whose quality rivals or exceeds the majority of Detroit's output in the past few years need to stay put. We don't need you at any festival from herein. Just try and cross the Detroit River and we'll have the National Guard waiting for you. Our president promised us no more immigration and by god we're gonna get it. Kindly (but watch it), Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:33 PM To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno damn damn! - Original Message - From: "Rob Theakston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:13 PM Subject: RE: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno > I'm just miffed off that Rick Astley was overlooked for the lineup yet > again. > > -Original Message- > From: Ben Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:13 PM > To: 313 > Subject: Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit > techno > > Sing the blues tom...lets stay still and not move, lets stick to the same > sound and not alter our train of thought to move this world!! > Whomever makes the music that moves you, is not an issue. To me anyhow! > Lets dance > > Ben > > On 17/5/06 4:47 pm, "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> so, when richie and crew put the "new sound of detroit" stamps on >> their white label records, causing all kinds of controversy about >> music not from detroit taking credit for what they did, do you think >> that this year's DEMF is EXACTLY what people were concerned about? the >> only detroit artist seriously getting his due this year is rob hood >> (though it is about d*mn time). now we have hawtin again in the middle >> of things, closing out a festival filled with white european techno >> artists while local detroit artists are outsiders to their own >> festival. does anyone now feel like maybe those concerned initially >> back in the day were well founded? >> >> tom > > >
Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
On 5/17/06, Ben Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Exactly my friend. No pre programmed thoughts or ideas.just fresh all the time GA GA GOO GOO rght. you might be the most programmed person to have posted in this thread. tom
Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
On May 17, 2006, at 13:56, Tim Baker wrote: "Togther Forever" was a jam also!! I think they are the same song with slightly different lyrics, sort of like Aphrodite tracks. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim -> mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
Exactly my friend. No pre programmed thoughts or ideas.just fresh all the time GA GA GOO GOO ben On 17/5/06 6:05 pm, "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/17/06, Ben Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Sing the blues tom...lets stay still and not move, lets stick to the same >> sound and not alter our train of thought to move this world!! >> Whomever makes the music that moves you, is not an issue. To me anyhow! >> Lets dance > > born yesterday eh? you dont say. > > tom
RE: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
"Togther Forever" was a jam also!! tb -Original Message- From: disrupt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 11:47 AM To: Rob Theakston Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno Never gonna give you p! Never gonna let you dwn. :) On Wed, 17 May 2006 13:42:28 -0400, "Rob Theakston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > Who's clownin around? > > http://www.detroitluv.com/index.php?topic=33738.msg370116#msg370116 > > This is serious stuff. Rick deserves a spot on the pyramid stage just > as much as anyone. After all, if it weren't for Rick and the SAW sound > we wouldn't HAVE a Detroit Techno to speak of. > > Seriously, > > Rob > > > -Original Message- > From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:39 PM > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of > Detroit techno > > On 5/17/06, Matt Kane's Brain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Will he be wearing a balaclava? Hope so. > > > > (he being Astley of course) > > you clowns are very funny. > > tom > > > > -- (disrupt) www.jahtari.org
RE: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
Just invoke Hitler and it will kill the thread. Rick cannot trump Hitler. j -- Original message -- From: "Rob Theakston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > You can't. There's no turning back once his voice fills the air or gets in > your head. > > Submit to the Rick. > > > > -Original Message- > From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:41 PM > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit > techno > > > Rick Astley is from Warrington UK. That's where I'm sat now. > > Hmmm how do I turn this back on topic? :) > > robin.,.. > > > > On 5/17/06, Matt Kane's Brain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Will he be wearing a balaclava? Hope so. > >> > >> (he being Astley of course) >
(313) [NYC] DANIEL BELL Friday 5/19 at the Bunker
Friday May 19 BEYOND PRESENTS THE BUNKER DANIEL BELL (Accelerate, 7th City, Logistic | Detroit/Berlin) *extended DJ set* Daniel Bell is one of the most important figures in the history of minimal techno. He started out by collaborating with Richie Hawtin as Cybersonik in the early '90s, releasing "Technarchy" and other classic tracks. Then he produced several records on his own as DBX (including the enourmously successful "Losing Control") that more or less defined minimal techno in the early to mid '90s. He then went on to create 7th City Distribution and several new record labels. In 2000, he moved to Berlin, and has released two amazing mix CD's and a few remixes since then. He is currently working on new material and a live set and DJing around the world. His past appearance at the Bunker have been phenomenal, and we're very psyched to have him back. http://daniel-bell.com/ plus resident DJs: Spinoza, Movement, Unjust visual residents: Giles Hendrix, Chris Jordan sound: mm bar: Heather, Aaron door: Olga photos: SDPhotography.net the Bunker Fridays at subTonic 107 Norfolk Street (212)358-7501 www.klever.org/thebunkernyc $5, 21+, 10p-4a UPCOMING: 5/26: DEMF PRE-PARTY: Zip (Perlon | Berlin) Jan Jelinek (~scape | Berlin) with live band both floors, $15 6/02: ELECTRO STRIKES BACK: Egg Foo Young (Touchin' Bass, Schematic | NYC) Coin OP (Nu Vorm | NYC) Hosted by Unjust (the Bunker | NYC) 6/16: Gaiser (M_nus | Detroit) live pa 6/23: Andy Vaz (Soundvariation, Background | Dusseldorf) live pa Filastine (Soot, Post World Industries | Seattle) 6/30: M_NUS LABEL SHOWCASE: Marc Houle (M_nus | NYC) live pa Tractile (M_nus | Toronto) live pa 7/07: Jeremy P. Caulfield (Dumb-Unit, Trapez | Toronto) live pa 7/28: Bruno Pronsato (Orac, Telegraph | Seattle) live pa 8/18: Eats Tapes (Tigerbeat6 | San Francisco) live pa
RE: (313) bickering/nice techno playing now on CBS
Andrew, You need to stop having so much fun. This is serious stuff here. Regards, Rob -Original Message- From: Andrew Duke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:39 PM To: 313 Detroit Subject: (313) bickering/nice techno playing now on CBS Whilst all ya'll are bickering about DEMF, I thought I'd mention that the CBS has been playing some sweet Detroit and Detroit-vibed techno/electro: Agent Chaos--The Safety Is Off, World 2 World--Amazon, and so on. Andrew -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com http://myspace.com/andrewduke Cognition Audioworks label [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] http://cognitionaudioworks.com
RE: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
Never gonna give you p! Never gonna let you dwn. :) On Wed, 17 May 2006 13:42:28 -0400, "Rob Theakston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > Who's clownin around? > > http://www.detroitluv.com/index.php?topic=33738.msg370116#msg370116 > > This is serious stuff. Rick deserves a spot on the pyramid stage just as > much as anyone. After all, if it weren't for Rick and the SAW sound we > wouldn't HAVE a Detroit Techno to speak of. > > Seriously, > > Rob > > > -Original Message- > From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:39 PM > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit > techno > > On 5/17/06, Matt Kane's Brain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Will he be wearing a balaclava? Hope so. > > > > (he being Astley of course) > > you clowns are very funny. > > tom > > > > -- (disrupt) www.jahtari.org
(313) KDJ Re: (313) bickering/nice techno playing now on CBS
Andrew Duke wrote: Whilst all ya'll are bickering about DEMF, I thought I'd mention that the CBS has been playing some sweet Detroit and Detroit-vibed techno/electro: Agent Chaos--The Safety Is Off, World 2 World--Amazon, and so on. Andrew Playing on the CBS now as I am about to hit "send" is KDJ23A-2 from Moodymann. Sweet house. Andrew -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com http://myspace.com/andrewduke Cognition Audioworks label [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] http://cognitionaudioworks.com
RE: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
You can't. There's no turning back once his voice fills the air or gets in your head. Submit to the Rick. -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:41 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno Rick Astley is from Warrington UK. That's where I'm sat now. Hmmm how do I turn this back on topic? :) robin.,.. > On 5/17/06, Matt Kane's Brain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Will he be wearing a balaclava? Hope so. >> >> (he being Astley of course)
Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
Rick Astley is from Warrington UK. That's where I'm sat now. Hmmm how do I turn this back on topic? :) robin.,.. On 5/17/06, Matt Kane's Brain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Will he be wearing a balaclava? Hope so. (he being Astley of course)
RE: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
Who's clownin around? http://www.detroitluv.com/index.php?topic=33738.msg370116#msg370116 This is serious stuff. Rick deserves a spot on the pyramid stage just as much as anyone. After all, if it weren't for Rick and the SAW sound we wouldn't HAVE a Detroit Techno to speak of. Seriously, Rob -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:39 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno On 5/17/06, Matt Kane's Brain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Will he be wearing a balaclava? Hope so. > > (he being Astley of course) you clowns are very funny. tom
(313) bickering/nice techno playing now on CBS
Whilst all ya'll are bickering about DEMF, I thought I'd mention that the CBS has been playing some sweet Detroit and Detroit-vibed techno/electro: Agent Chaos--The Safety Is Off, World 2 World--Amazon, and so on. Andrew -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com http://myspace.com/andrewduke Cognition Audioworks label [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] http://cognitionaudioworks.com
Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
On 5/17/06, Matt Kane's Brain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Will he be wearing a balaclava? Hope so. (he being Astley of course) you clowns are very funny. tom
Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
Will he be wearing a balaclava? Hope so. (he being Astley of course) On May 17, 2006, at 13:34, Rob Theakston wrote: I've got it on good source that he'll be playing an after party somewhere with Mike Banks conducting the band. -Original Message- From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:32 PM To: Rob Theakston Cc: 313 Subject: Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno He's playing at my house (much to the dismay of my significant other) On May 17, 2006, at 13:13, Rob Theakston wrote: I'm just miffed off that Rick Astley was overlooked for the lineup yet again. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim -> mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim -> mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
I've got it on good source that he'll be playing an after party somewhere with Mike Banks conducting the band. -Original Message- From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:32 PM To: Rob Theakston Cc: 313 Subject: Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno He's playing at my house (much to the dismay of my significant other) On May 17, 2006, at 13:13, Rob Theakston wrote: > I'm just miffed off that Rick Astley was overlooked for the lineup yet > again. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim -> mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
damn damn! - Original Message - From: "Rob Theakston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:13 PM Subject: RE: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno I'm just miffed off that Rick Astley was overlooked for the lineup yet again. -Original Message- From: Ben Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:13 PM To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno Sing the blues tom...lets stay still and not move, lets stick to the same sound and not alter our train of thought to move this world!! Whomever makes the music that moves you, is not an issue. To me anyhow! Lets dance Ben On 17/5/06 4:47 pm, "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: so, when richie and crew put the "new sound of detroit" stamps on their white label records, causing all kinds of controversy about music not from detroit taking credit for what they did, do you think that this year's DEMF is EXACTLY what people were concerned about? the only detroit artist seriously getting his due this year is rob hood (though it is about d*mn time). now we have hawtin again in the middle of things, closing out a festival filled with white european techno artists while local detroit artists are outsiders to their own festival. does anyone now feel like maybe those concerned initially back in the day were well founded? tom
Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
He's playing at my house (much to the dismay of my significant other) On May 17, 2006, at 13:13, Rob Theakston wrote: I'm just miffed off that Rick Astley was overlooked for the lineup yet again. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim -> mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
I'm just miffed off that Rick Astley was overlooked for the lineup yet again. -Original Message- From: Ben Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:13 PM To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno Sing the blues tom...lets stay still and not move, lets stick to the same sound and not alter our train of thought to move this world!! Whomever makes the music that moves you, is not an issue. To me anyhow! Lets dance Ben On 17/5/06 4:47 pm, "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > so, when richie and crew put the "new sound of detroit" stamps on > their white label records, causing all kinds of controversy about > music not from detroit taking credit for what they did, do you think > that this year's DEMF is EXACTLY what people were concerned about? the > only detroit artist seriously getting his due this year is rob hood > (though it is about d*mn time). now we have hawtin again in the middle > of things, closing out a festival filled with white european techno > artists while local detroit artists are outsiders to their own > festival. does anyone now feel like maybe those concerned initially > back in the day were well founded? > > tom
Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
On 5/17/06, Matt Kane's Brain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tom, I don't think anything I say in disagreement will mean anything to you. You have already made up your mind and no amount of data or evidence will change that. The only reason I hit reply to all is convenience. I wouldn't bother to address you otherwise since I know you're not interested in a two way discussion. what you were trying to do is nitpick an assertion that is blatantly obvious if you take a look at this year's lineup compared to any of the ones before it. i dont care if technically 50.001% of the artists playing are from detroit. thats meaningless. its playing around with statistics, which is a very easy thing to do if you have any brain at all. its a game. what isnt meaningless is the overall shift in focus and general lack of respect and good time slots given to the detroit artists. and you can come up with whatever data or stats you want, nothing will change the fact that this is true. the people who were angry when richie hawtin put those stamps on those records were afraid that outsiders would come in and take what they made, appropriate it, water it down, and then make it the norm. and that has finally happened, even in techno's birthplace, at its own electronic music festival. "Detroit's Electronic Music Festival" has one Detroit deejay playing a headlining slot. thats insulting, its bullsh*t, its all sorts of things. now back to the question, does everyone still assume that those people were wrong to fear this? tom
Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
I'll even throw you a bone Tom. There are far more white artists performing on Saturday than black artists. On May 17, 2006, at 13:14, Matt Kane's Brain wrote: Tom, I don't think anything I say in disagreement will mean anything to you. You have already made up your mind and no amount of data or evidence will change that. The only reason I hit reply to all is convenience. I wouldn't bother to address you otherwise since I know you're not interested in a two way discussion. And no, there aren't any Detroit trance DJs playing on the first day. On May 17, 2006, at 13:04, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: On 5/17/06, Matt Kane's Brain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm doing the math and for the first day it looks like Detroit folks outnumber the Europeans. More later. that doesnt mean anything. are you counting the trance deejays from detroit? i dont count them. regardless, compare it to any other festivals previous. and compare the number of headlining slots. the only detroiter closing one of the big stages is hood. tom -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim -> mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim -> mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
Tom, I don't think anything I say in disagreement will mean anything to you. You have already made up your mind and no amount of data or evidence will change that. The only reason I hit reply to all is convenience. I wouldn't bother to address you otherwise since I know you're not interested in a two way discussion. And no, there aren't any Detroit trance DJs playing on the first day. On May 17, 2006, at 13:04, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: On 5/17/06, Matt Kane's Brain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm doing the math and for the first day it looks like Detroit folks outnumber the Europeans. More later. that doesnt mean anything. are you counting the trance deejays from detroit? i dont count them. regardless, compare it to any other festivals previous. and compare the number of headlining slots. the only detroiter closing one of the big stages is hood. tom -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim -> mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
How's the weather on your planet? -Original Message- From: Ben Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:13 PM To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno Sing the blues tom...lets stay still and not move, lets stick to the same sound and not alter our train of thought to move this world!! Whomever makes the music that moves you, is not an issue. To me anyhow! Lets dance Ben On 17/5/06 4:47 pm, "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > so, when richie and crew put the "new sound of detroit" stamps on > their white label records, causing all kinds of controversy about > music not from detroit taking credit for what they did, do you think > that this year's DEMF is EXACTLY what people were concerned about? the > only detroit artist seriously getting his due this year is rob hood > (though it is about d*mn time). now we have hawtin again in the middle > of things, closing out a festival filled with white european techno > artists while local detroit artists are outsiders to their own > festival. does anyone now feel like maybe those concerned initially > back in the day were well founded? > > tom
Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
On 5/17/06, Ben Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sing the blues tom...lets stay still and not move, lets stick to the same sound and not alter our train of thought to move this world!! Whomever makes the music that moves you, is not an issue. To me anyhow! Lets dance born yesterday eh? you dont say. tom
Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
On 5/17/06, Matt Kane's Brain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm doing the math and for the first day it looks like Detroit folks outnumber the Europeans. More later. that doesnt mean anything. are you counting the trance deejays from detroit? i dont count them. regardless, compare it to any other festivals previous. and compare the number of headlining slots. the only detroiter closing one of the big stages is hood. tom
Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
Sing the blues tom...lets stay still and not move, lets stick to the same sound and not alter our train of thought to move this world!! Whomever makes the music that moves you, is not an issue. To me anyhow! Lets dance Ben On 17/5/06 4:47 pm, "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > so, when richie and crew put the "new sound of detroit" stamps on > their white label records, causing all kinds of controversy about > music not from detroit taking credit for what they did, do you think > that this year's DEMF is EXACTLY what people were concerned about? the > only detroit artist seriously getting his due this year is rob hood > (though it is about d*mn time). now we have hawtin again in the middle > of things, closing out a festival filled with white european techno > artists while local detroit artists are outsiders to their own > festival. does anyone now feel like maybe those concerned initially > back in the day were well founded? > > tom
Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
and I'm not counting windsor as detroit On May 17, 2006, at 11:47, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: so, when richie and crew put the "new sound of detroit" stamps on their white label records, causing all kinds of controversy about music not from detroit taking credit for what they did, do you think that this year's DEMF is EXACTLY what people were concerned about? the only detroit artist seriously getting his due this year is rob hood (though it is about d*mn time). now we have hawtin again in the middle of things, closing out a festival filled with white european techno artists while local detroit artists are outsiders to their own festival. does anyone now feel like maybe those concerned initially back in the day were well founded? tom -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim -> mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
I'm doing the math and for the first day it looks like Detroit folks outnumber the Europeans. More later. On May 17, 2006, at 11:47, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: so, when richie and crew put the "new sound of detroit" stamps on their white label records, causing all kinds of controversy about music not from detroit taking credit for what they did, do you think that this year's DEMF is EXACTLY what people were concerned about? the only detroit artist seriously getting his due this year is rob hood (though it is about d*mn time). now we have hawtin again in the middle of things, closing out a festival filled with white european techno artists while local detroit artists are outsiders to their own festival. does anyone now feel like maybe those concerned initially back in the day were well founded? tom -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim -> mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
On 5/17/06, diana potts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Before we jump to conclusions,assumptions and looking to see that the sky is falling...I think it's important to know IF others were _asked_ to play and could not due to conflicting schedules. Let's look for the WMD to see if they are really there before we do the war call. no? funny that everyone in detroit would be busy on festival weekend for the first time in 7 years. i guess they all forgot! silly techno electro and ghetto tech guys! tom
Re: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
Before we jump to conclusions,assumptions and looking to see that the sky is falling...I think it's important to know IF others were _asked_ to play and could not due to conflicting schedules. Let's look for the WMD to see if they are really there before we do the war call. no? ;) d --- "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > so, when richie and crew put the "new sound of > detroit" stamps on > their white label records, causing all kinds of > controversy about > music not from detroit taking credit for what they > did, do you think > that this year's DEMF is EXACTLY what people were > concerned about? the > only detroit artist seriously getting his due this > year is rob hood > (though it is about d*mn time). now we have hawtin > again in the middle > of things, closing out a festival filled with white > european techno > artists while local detroit artists are outsiders to > their own > festival. does anyone now feel like maybe those > concerned initially > back in the day were well founded? > > tom > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: (313) 313 in tha 323 - Clone Records showcase this Friday
I caught this tour in NYC last week. I thought Dexter live was really great! Really funky stuff in his set. I thought Alden Tyrell was good too, I dig his music, but it didn't seem to fit the mood of the place that evening, or at least it didn't fit my mood rather. Unfortunately, I left before Serge played. Adam On 5/17/06, Greg Earle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A good party for us LA folk this week ... FRIDAY MAY 19th MINI presents Anthem Magazine's Shut Up and Dance featuring CLONE RECORDS (Holland) showcase: SERGE (Clone, Dub Records) ALDEN TYRELL Live (Clone, Viewlexx) DEXTER Live (Clone, Klakson) along with C_TOWN (BFF/Beauty Bar, LA) When: Fri 5/19 (10:00 pm - 2:00 am) Where: The Larchmont (5657 Melrose Ave, Hollywood, 323.993.3392) map Price: *Free w/ RSVP (RSVP at http://www.anthem-magazine.com/rsvp ) Next week: Derrick May and John Tejada at Compression (@ King King) next Friday May 26th (for everyone that isn't leaving for the Paxahau Festival that day, I guess). - Greg
(313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
so, when richie and crew put the "new sound of detroit" stamps on their white label records, causing all kinds of controversy about music not from detroit taking credit for what they did, do you think that this year's DEMF is EXACTLY what people were concerned about? the only detroit artist seriously getting his due this year is rob hood (though it is about d*mn time). now we have hawtin again in the middle of things, closing out a festival filled with white european techno artists while local detroit artists are outsiders to their own festival. does anyone now feel like maybe those concerned initially back in the day were well founded? tom
Re: (313) New DEMF Order
it was daylight for his entire set last year so yeah it was pretty early. - Original Message - From: Matt Kane's Brain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:50 am Subject: Re: (313) New DEMF Order To: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: 313@hyperreal.org > When the Detroit Experiment played at the Newport Jazz Festival, > their entire set was before the "doors open" time on the tickets. > > Didn't he play during the afternoon the last time he was playing at > > the festival? > > On May 17, 2006, at 9:34, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: > > > out with the old, in with the new. from demf.com: > > > > MONDAY MAY 29TH > > > > MAIN STAGE > > > > 7-8:30P > > Derrick May > > > > PYRAMID STAGE > > > > 12-3P > > CARL CRAIG > > > > i guess they couldnt put them on at 8am or everyone would have been > > easily able to see the fix was on. > > > > tom > > -- > matt kane's brain > http://hydrogenproject.com > aim -> mkbatwerk || mkbwriu > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: (313) New DEMF Order
i was really shocked to see that craig was playing at noon. my girlfriend spewed expletives at me when i told her this morning. - Original Message - From: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:34 am Subject: (313) New DEMF Order To: 313@hyperreal.org > out with the old, in with the new. from demf.com: > > MONDAY MAY 29TH > > MAIN STAGE > > 7-8:30P > Derrick May > > PYRAMID STAGE > > 12-3P > CARL CRAIG > > i guess they couldnt put them on at 8am or everyone would have been > easily able to see the fix was on. > > tom >
(313) Dan Curtin - Shining
Clips and art just gone up... http://www.dustscience.com/Releases/DanCurtin-Shining.php m
Re: (313) cosmic style mix by joakim
woo! top one JT. That solves my indecision on what to listen to this afternoon. :) robin... J.T. wrote: for those who dig this kinda stuff (hi alex!) http://www.tigersushi.com/site/insider/Joakim%20mix%20-%20bread&better%202006%20-%20part%201-002.mp3
Re: (313) New DEMF Order
He played just before dusk, and killed it imo. One of the great set openings that I've heard - Darkness combined with sirens - a real hair on the back of the neck moment. > Didn't he play during the afternoon the last time he was playing at > the festival?
(313) cosmic style mix by joakim
for those who dig this kinda stuff (hi alex!) http://www.tigersushi.com/site/insider/Joakim%20mix%20-%20bread&better%202006%20-%20part%201-002.mp3
Re: (313) New DEMF Order
On 5/17/06, Matt Kane's Brain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: When the Detroit Experiment played at the Newport Jazz Festival, their entire set was before the "doors open" time on the tickets. Didn't he play during the afternoon the last time he was playing at the festival? i think when he deejayed (in 04?) it was around sundown at the hi tech soul stage. the detroit experiment set was at around 3 or 4 at the same stage, but they had mad old cats in the lineup so that makes sense, theyd have been asleep by 10 pm ;) tom
Re: (313) New DEMF Order
When the Detroit Experiment played at the Newport Jazz Festival, their entire set was before the "doors open" time on the tickets. Didn't he play during the afternoon the last time he was playing at the festival? On May 17, 2006, at 9:34, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: out with the old, in with the new. from demf.com: MONDAY MAY 29TH MAIN STAGE 7-8:30P Derrick May PYRAMID STAGE 12-3P CARL CRAIG i guess they couldnt put them on at 8am or everyone would have been easily able to see the fix was on. tom -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim -> mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(313) New DEMF Order
out with the old, in with the new. from demf.com: MONDAY MAY 29TH MAIN STAGE 7-8:30P Derrick May PYRAMID STAGE 12-3P CARL CRAIG i guess they couldnt put them on at 8am or everyone would have been easily able to see the fix was on. tom
(313) New DJ set
I've managed to record my DJ set last friday, at the opening party of Festival pomladi (Spring Festival) at Club K4 in Ljubljana: www.octex.si/audio/[EMAIL PROTECTED] It's a diverse set, from dub to moodymann and aphex twin... There were some minor technical difficulties at the beginning, and some confusing moments (I was at high school reunion before the gig, so my alcohol level was rather high :) But I decided it's suitable to go in public anyway. I don't have time to write a tracklist, but if anyone needs any track ID let me know. Jernej www.octex.si
(313) D(etroit) in the Park
Looks like Detroit is coming to Europe/Scotland in July... http://www.tinthepark.com/ http://www.residentadvisor.net/news.asp?ID=7862 The answer to the Euro-trendy invasion of Detroit, during DEMF? or i'ts just that ol' "nemo propheta in patria (sua)"??? Em ;))
(313) 313 in tha 323 - Clone Records showcase this Friday
A good party for us LA folk this week ... FRIDAY MAY 19th MINI presents Anthem Magazine's Shut Up and Dance featuring CLONE RECORDS (Holland) showcase: SERGE (Clone, Dub Records) ALDEN TYRELL Live (Clone, Viewlexx) DEXTER Live (Clone, Klakson) along with C_TOWN (BFF/Beauty Bar, LA) When: Fri 5/19 (10:00 pm - 2:00 am) Where: The Larchmont (5657 Melrose Ave, Hollywood, 323.993.3392) map Price: *Free w/ RSVP (RSVP at http://www.anthem-magazine.com/rsvp ) Next week: Derrick May and John Tejada at Compression (@ King King) next Friday May 26th (for everyone that isn't leaving for the Paxahau Festival that day, I guess). - Greg
Re: (313) How to Pirate a Vinyl Record
There are comments of Soundmurderer, saying the quality of the sound remains. Well... i seriously doubt that. Kw On 15/05/2006, at 12:04, Martin Dust wrote: Just read the comments posted below the Joke... http://gadgets.qj.net/How-to-Pirate-a-Vinyl-Record/pg/49/aid/39381 m
RE: (313) Mark Broom in Mpls June 2
I've seen him a number of times in the last few years. Definitely can get loopy at times, but I've also heard him play Theo Parrish and other deeper gear. Depends on the night and how he perceives it I reckon - also if in the states, it might depend on what records he's got in his bag. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/339 - Release Date: 14/05/2006
