Re: (313) kings of techno
nice, very few actual "techno" tracks. looks like a fun comp tom On 9/4/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: rapster / bbe Tracklisting: CD 1: LAURENT GARNIER 1- The Stooges 'No Fun' 2- Aretha Franklin 'Rock Steady' 3- The Temptations 'Plastic Man' 4- Funkadelic 'Bettino's Bounce' 5- Carl Craig 'No More Words' 6- Jeff Mills 'Utopia' 7- BFC 'Galaxy' 8- Arpanet 'NTT DoCoMo' 9- D.I.E. 'Get Up' 10- Dabrye 'Game Over' CD 2: CARL CRAIG 1- Visage 'Frequency 7' 2- Kano 'It's A War' 3- Yello 'No More Words' 4- Alexander Robotnick 'Dance Boy Dance' 5- Art Of Noise 'Beat Box' (Diversion 1) 6- Nitzer Ebb 'Join In The Chant' 7- Capricorn 'I Need Love' (Instrumental) 8- The Black Dog 'Virtual' 9- Balil 'Nort Route'
(313) kings of techno
rapster / bbe Tracklisting: CD 1: LAURENT GARNIER 1- The Stooges ‘No Fun’ 2- Aretha Franklin ‘Rock Steady’ 3- The Temptations ‘Plastic Man’ 4- Funkadelic ‘Bettino’s Bounce’ 5- Carl Craig ‘No More Words’ 6- Jeff Mills ‘Utopia’ 7- BFC ‘Galaxy’ 8- Arpanet ‘NTT DoCoMo’ 9- D.I.E. ‘Get Up’ 10- Dabrye ‘Game Over’ CD 2: CARL CRAIG 1- Visage ‘Frequency 7’ 2- Kano ‘It’s A War’ 3- Yello ‘No More Words’ 4- Alexander Robotnick ‘Dance Boy Dance’ 5- Art Of Noise ‘Beat Box’ (Diversion 1) 6- Nitzer Ebb ‘Join In The Chant’ 7- Capricorn ‘I Need Love’ (Instrumental) 8- The Black Dog ‘Virtual’ 9- Balil ‘Nort Route’
(313) FA Ricardo Villalobos, The Modernist , I-F - Mixed up in the Hague vol 1 & 2
Murcof, the Hacker , I-F - Mixed UP in the Hague vols 1 & 2 , The Modernist, Ricardo Villalobos, Troubleman (Mark Pritchard), Landesvatter , Unai & more please see: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZralco thanks for looking, Raul seller id = Ralco
(313) UR live The Hague
Firday 22nd of September: Paard van Troje, The Hague (Netherlands) - Galaxy 2 Galaxy (Live) - Interstellar Fugitives (Live) DJ's: Skurge (UR - Aquanauts), Konspiracy (UR) Panel-discussion: The Inspiration of UR (The intersection between science fiction and sound) KJ --- Eevo Lute Muzique http://www.eevolute.com
Re: (313) Laptop Debate
Ah! The Notron, yeah that was a cool piece of hardware, i played with one of those somewhere in the mid-nineties. It looked like a prop from Buck Rogers though :) On 4-sep-2006, at 20:17, Martin Dust wrote: http://www.maxmsp.ru/files/fizzarum/un_seq/notron/notron_sos.htm m - Original Message - From: "Klaas-Jan Jongsma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ralf Gill (healthAlliance)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 7:08 PM Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate i have never heard of Neutron as a sequencer, can you give us some more info. I thought you were talking about the Hartmann Neutron which is a really impressive synth and was later converted to a piece of software. KJ --- Eevo Lute Muzique http://www.eevolute.com On 4-sep-2006, at 19:23, Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) wrote: Ignore that, the neutron is a plug in...i thought it was an outboard step sequencer... -Original Message- From: Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006 5:07 a.m. To: Odeluga, Ken; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate This was from discogs... " Even if DeGeorgio recognizes that he resorted to a unique sequencer, the Neutron, to reproduce the modal variations characterizing his musical inspirations " ...i guess he'd have trouble making his music on a laptop then? -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 4 September 2006 10:04 p.m. To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate -Original Message- From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2006 10:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate Yeah i can remember seeing a gearlist in some article and it is definitely a gearjunkies wetdream, oh and he has this: http://www.kirkdegiorgio.com/ModcanB.htm Now this reminds me of something I've thought for a while ... I like Kirk a lot - he's the same age as me so he must be a good egg (!) Plus he's one of the people I challenge myself with to see if he's ever made a bad record. I certainly don't own any duffers by him. Problem is - despite the fact that my record collection is peppered with his releases from year dot, I'm not sure I can hear the spell-binding difference in the sounds he comes up with, with that rig and the sounds that it's possible to get from a mid-range analog/digital synth. I just can't. I still like the last 3 LPs though, so don't get me wrong, but I just think he could have saved himself some money or something! Just mo. Having said that, it does illustrate that this software vs. hardware debate currently raging is not really a 'new paradigm' problem. The same debates could be heard between advocates and detractors of acoustic vs. amplified, synths vs. guitars, and naturally, modular versus stand- alone (or whatever they're called.) So long as you know that such debates are usually futile, I guess they can be fun and instructive. K This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message.
Re: (313) Laptop Debate
http://machines.hyperreal.org/manufacturers/Latronic/Notron/info/Notron.txt
Re: (313) Laptop Debate
http://www.maxmsp.ru/files/fizzarum/un_seq/notron/notron_sos.htm m - Original Message - From: "Klaas-Jan Jongsma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ralf Gill (healthAlliance)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 7:08 PM Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate i have never heard of Neutron as a sequencer, can you give us some more info. I thought you were talking about the Hartmann Neutron which is a really impressive synth and was later converted to a piece of software. KJ --- Eevo Lute Muzique http://www.eevolute.com On 4-sep-2006, at 19:23, Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) wrote: Ignore that, the neutron is a plug in...i thought it was an outboard step sequencer... -Original Message- From: Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006 5:07 a.m. To: Odeluga, Ken; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate This was from discogs... " Even if DeGeorgio recognizes that he resorted to a unique sequencer, the Neutron, to reproduce the modal variations characterizing his musical inspirations " ...i guess he'd have trouble making his music on a laptop then? -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 4 September 2006 10:04 p.m. To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate -Original Message- From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2006 10:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate Yeah i can remember seeing a gearlist in some article and it is definitely a gearjunkies wetdream, oh and he has this: http://www.kirkdegiorgio.com/ModcanB.htm Now this reminds me of something I've thought for a while ... I like Kirk a lot - he's the same age as me so he must be a good egg (!) Plus he's one of the people I challenge myself with to see if he's ever made a bad record. I certainly don't own any duffers by him. Problem is - despite the fact that my record collection is peppered with his releases from year dot, I'm not sure I can hear the spell-binding difference in the sounds he comes up with, with that rig and the sounds that it's possible to get from a mid-range analog/digital synth. I just can't. I still like the last 3 LPs though, so don't get me wrong, but I just think he could have saved himself some money or something! Just mo. Having said that, it does illustrate that this software vs. hardware debate currently raging is not really a 'new paradigm' problem. The same debates could be heard between advocates and detractors of acoustic vs. amplified, synths vs. guitars, and naturally, modular versus stand- alone (or whatever they're called.) So long as you know that such debates are usually futile, I guess they can be fun and instructive. K This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message.
Re: (313) Laptop Debate
that's the Hartmann Neuron. -nick Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote: i have never heard of Neutron as a sequencer, can you give us some more info. I thought you were talking about the Hartmann Neutron which is a really impressive synth and was later converted to a piece of software. KJ --- Eevo Lute Muzique http://www.eevolute.com On 4-sep-2006, at 19:23, Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) wrote: Ignore that, the neutron is a plug in...i thought it was an outboard step sequencer... -Original Message- From: Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006 5:07 a.m. To: Odeluga, Ken; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate This was from discogs... " Even if DeGeorgio recognizes that he resorted to a unique sequencer, the Neutron, to reproduce the modal variations characterizing his musical inspirations " ...i guess he'd have trouble making his music on a laptop then? -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 4 September 2006 10:04 p.m. To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate -Original Message- From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2006 10:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate Yeah i can remember seeing a gearlist in some article and it is definitely a gearjunkies wetdream, oh and he has this: http://www.kirkdegiorgio.com/ModcanB.htm Now this reminds me of something I've thought for a while ... I like Kirk a lot - he's the same age as me so he must be a good egg (!) Plus he's one of the people I challenge myself with to see if he's ever made a bad record. I certainly don't own any duffers by him. Problem is - despite the fact that my record collection is peppered with his releases from year dot, I'm not sure I can hear the spell-binding difference in the sounds he comes up with, with that rig and the sounds that it's possible to get from a mid-range analog/digital synth. I just can't. I still like the last 3 LPs though, so don't get me wrong, but I just think he could have saved himself some money or something! Just mo. Having said that, it does illustrate that this software vs. hardware debate currently raging is not really a 'new paradigm' problem. The same debates could be heard between advocates and detractors of acoustic vs. amplified, synths vs. guitars, and naturally, modular versus stand-alone (or whatever they're called.) So long as you know that such debates are usually futile, I guess they can be fun and instructive. K This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message.
Re: (313) Laptop Debate
i have never heard of Neutron as a sequencer, can you give us some more info. I thought you were talking about the Hartmann Neutron which is a really impressive synth and was later converted to a piece of software. KJ --- Eevo Lute Muzique http://www.eevolute.com On 4-sep-2006, at 19:23, Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) wrote: Ignore that, the neutron is a plug in...i thought it was an outboard step sequencer... -Original Message- From: Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006 5:07 a.m. To: Odeluga, Ken; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate This was from discogs... " Even if DeGeorgio recognizes that he resorted to a unique sequencer, the Neutron, to reproduce the modal variations characterizing his musical inspirations " ...i guess he'd have trouble making his music on a laptop then? -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 4 September 2006 10:04 p.m. To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate -Original Message- From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2006 10:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate Yeah i can remember seeing a gearlist in some article and it is definitely a gearjunkies wetdream, oh and he has this: http://www.kirkdegiorgio.com/ModcanB.htm Now this reminds me of something I've thought for a while ... I like Kirk a lot - he's the same age as me so he must be a good egg (!) Plus he's one of the people I challenge myself with to see if he's ever made a bad record. I certainly don't own any duffers by him. Problem is - despite the fact that my record collection is peppered with his releases from year dot, I'm not sure I can hear the spell-binding difference in the sounds he comes up with, with that rig and the sounds that it's possible to get from a mid-range analog/digital synth. I just can't. I still like the last 3 LPs though, so don't get me wrong, but I just think he could have saved himself some money or something! Just mo. Having said that, it does illustrate that this software vs. hardware debate currently raging is not really a 'new paradigm' problem. The same debates could be heard between advocates and detractors of acoustic vs. amplified, synths vs. guitars, and naturally, modular versus stand- alone (or whatever they're called.) So long as you know that such debates are usually futile, I guess they can be fun and instructive. K This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message.
Re: (313) Notron
Claude Young has put one to good use as well. -nick Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: no, the correct name is the Notron sequencer, made by Latronic. http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1997_articles/jun97/latronicnorton.html it is hardware and very dope. regardless, KDG does have the tendency to overproduce his stuff. he can easily get into some lite jazz territory, especially recently. i do recall reading an interview with him where he said he multitracked all his stuff in protools now. which is one reason why his stuff seems so eh at times in fact, here are his gearlists for different times in his production: http://www.kirkdegiorgio.com/pdfs/kirkdiscog.pdf he's a case of analogue out the wazoo, but i still dont care. tom On 9/4/06, Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ignore that, the neutron is a plug in...i thought it was an outboard step sequencer... -Original Message- From: Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006 5:07 a.m. To: Odeluga, Ken; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate This was from discogs... " Even if DeGeorgio recognizes that he resorted to a unique sequencer, the Neutron, to reproduce the modal variations characterizing his musical inspirations " ...i guess he'd have trouble making his music on a laptop then? -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 4 September 2006 10:04 p.m. To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate -Original Message- From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2006 10:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate Yeah i can remember seeing a gearlist in some article and it is definitely a gearjunkies wetdream, oh and he has this: http://www.kirkdegiorgio.com/ModcanB.htm Now this reminds me of something I've thought for a while ... I like Kirk a lot - he's the same age as me so he must be a good egg (!) Plus he's one of the people I challenge myself with to see if he's ever made a bad record. I certainly don't own any duffers by him. Problem is - despite the fact that my record collection is peppered with his releases from year dot, I'm not sure I can hear the spell-binding difference in the sounds he comes up with, with that rig and the sounds that it's possible to get from a mid-range analog/digital synth. I just can't. I still like the last 3 LPs though, so don't get me wrong, but I just think he could have saved himself some money or something! Just mo. Having said that, it does illustrate that this software vs. hardware debate currently raging is not really a 'new paradigm' problem. The same debates could be heard between advocates and detractors of acoustic vs. amplified, synths vs. guitars, and naturally, modular versus stand-alone (or whatever they're called.) So long as you know that such debates are usually futile, I guess they can be fun and instructive. K This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message.
Re: (313) Laptop Debate
no, the correct name is the Notron sequencer, made by Latronic. http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1997_articles/jun97/latronicnorton.html it is hardware and very dope. regardless, KDG does have the tendency to overproduce his stuff. he can easily get into some lite jazz territory, especially recently. i do recall reading an interview with him where he said he multitracked all his stuff in protools now. which is one reason why his stuff seems so eh at times in fact, here are his gearlists for different times in his production: http://www.kirkdegiorgio.com/pdfs/kirkdiscog.pdf he's a case of analogue out the wazoo, but i still dont care. tom On 9/4/06, Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ignore that, the neutron is a plug in...i thought it was an outboard step sequencer... -Original Message- From: Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006 5:07 a.m. To: Odeluga, Ken; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate This was from discogs... " Even if DeGeorgio recognizes that he resorted to a unique sequencer, the Neutron, to reproduce the modal variations characterizing his musical inspirations " ...i guess he'd have trouble making his music on a laptop then? -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 4 September 2006 10:04 p.m. To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate -Original Message- From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2006 10:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate Yeah i can remember seeing a gearlist in some article and it is definitely a gearjunkies wetdream, oh and he has this: http://www.kirkdegiorgio.com/ModcanB.htm Now this reminds me of something I've thought for a while ... I like Kirk a lot - he's the same age as me so he must be a good egg (!) Plus he's one of the people I challenge myself with to see if he's ever made a bad record. I certainly don't own any duffers by him. Problem is - despite the fact that my record collection is peppered with his releases from year dot, I'm not sure I can hear the spell-binding difference in the sounds he comes up with, with that rig and the sounds that it's possible to get from a mid-range analog/digital synth. I just can't. I still like the last 3 LPs though, so don't get me wrong, but I just think he could have saved himself some money or something! Just mo. Having said that, it does illustrate that this software vs. hardware debate currently raging is not really a 'new paradigm' problem. The same debates could be heard between advocates and detractors of acoustic vs. amplified, synths vs. guitars, and naturally, modular versus stand-alone (or whatever they're called.) So long as you know that such debates are usually futile, I guess they can be fun and instructive. K This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message.
Re: (313) Laptop Debate
google "latronic notron". -nick Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) wrote: Ignore that, the neutron is a plug in...i thought it was an outboard step sequencer... -Original Message- From: Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006 5:07 a.m. To: Odeluga, Ken; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate This was from discogs... " Even if DeGeorgio recognizes that he resorted to a unique sequencer, the Neutron, to reproduce the modal variations characterizing his musical inspirations " ...i guess he'd have trouble making his music on a laptop then? -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 4 September 2006 10:04 p.m. To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate -Original Message- From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2006 10:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate Yeah i can remember seeing a gearlist in some article and it is definitely a gearjunkies wetdream, oh and he has this: http://www.kirkdegiorgio.com/ModcanB.htm Now this reminds me of something I've thought for a while ... I like Kirk a lot - he's the same age as me so he must be a good egg (!) Plus he's one of the people I challenge myself with to see if he's ever made a bad record. I certainly don't own any duffers by him. Problem is - despite the fact that my record collection is peppered with his releases from year dot, I'm not sure I can hear the spell-binding difference in the sounds he comes up with, with that rig and the sounds that it's possible to get from a mid-range analog/digital synth. I just can't. I still like the last 3 LPs though, so don't get me wrong, but I just think he could have saved himself some money or something! Just mo. Having said that, it does illustrate that this software vs. hardware debate currently raging is not really a 'new paradigm' problem. The same debates could be heard between advocates and detractors of acoustic vs. amplified, synths vs. guitars, and naturally, modular versus stand-alone (or whatever they're called.) So long as you know that such debates are usually futile, I guess they can be fun and instructive. K This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message.
FW: (313) What's the one track that will make you hit the dancefloor???
> -Original Message- > From: Andrew Duke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 04 September 2006 17:52 > > Call me old-fashioned, but I'm still a sucker for any of the > uptempo numbers on the first Inner City album. > Andrew A yeah!!!
RE: (313) Laptop Debate
Ignore that, the neutron is a plug in...i thought it was an outboard step sequencer... -Original Message- From: Ralf Gill (healthAlliance) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006 5:07 a.m. To: Odeluga, Ken; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate This was from discogs... " Even if DeGeorgio recognizes that he resorted to a unique sequencer, the Neutron, to reproduce the modal variations characterizing his musical inspirations " ...i guess he'd have trouble making his music on a laptop then? -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 4 September 2006 10:04 p.m. To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate -Original Message- From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2006 10:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate Yeah i can remember seeing a gearlist in some article and it is definitely a gearjunkies wetdream, oh and he has this: http://www.kirkdegiorgio.com/ModcanB.htm Now this reminds me of something I've thought for a while ... I like Kirk a lot - he's the same age as me so he must be a good egg (!) Plus he's one of the people I challenge myself with to see if he's ever made a bad record. I certainly don't own any duffers by him. Problem is - despite the fact that my record collection is peppered with his releases from year dot, I'm not sure I can hear the spell-binding difference in the sounds he comes up with, with that rig and the sounds that it's possible to get from a mid-range analog/digital synth. I just can't. I still like the last 3 LPs though, so don't get me wrong, but I just think he could have saved himself some money or something! Just mo. Having said that, it does illustrate that this software vs. hardware debate currently raging is not really a 'new paradigm' problem. The same debates could be heard between advocates and detractors of acoustic vs. amplified, synths vs. guitars, and naturally, modular versus stand-alone (or whatever they're called.) So long as you know that such debates are usually futile, I guess they can be fun and instructive. K This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message.
RE: (313) Laptop Debate
This was from discogs... " Even if DeGeorgio recognizes that he resorted to a unique sequencer, the Neutron, to reproduce the modal variations characterizing his musical inspirations " ...i guess he'd have trouble making his music on a laptop then? -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 4 September 2006 10:04 p.m. To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Laptop Debate -Original Message- From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2006 10:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate Yeah i can remember seeing a gearlist in some article and it is definitely a gearjunkies wetdream, oh and he has this: http://www.kirkdegiorgio.com/ModcanB.htm Now this reminds me of something I've thought for a while ... I like Kirk a lot - he's the same age as me so he must be a good egg (!) Plus he's one of the people I challenge myself with to see if he's ever made a bad record. I certainly don't own any duffers by him. Problem is - despite the fact that my record collection is peppered with his releases from year dot, I'm not sure I can hear the spell-binding difference in the sounds he comes up with, with that rig and the sounds that it's possible to get from a mid-range analog/digital synth. I just can't. I still like the last 3 LPs though, so don't get me wrong, but I just think he could have saved himself some money or something! Just mo. Having said that, it does illustrate that this software vs. hardware debate currently raging is not really a 'new paradigm' problem. The same debates could be heard between advocates and detractors of acoustic vs. amplified, synths vs. guitars, and naturally, modular versus stand-alone (or whatever they're called.) So long as you know that such debates are usually futile, I guess they can be fun and instructive. K This e-mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message.
FW: (313) The Laptop Debate.
> -Original Message-
> From: chthonic streams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 03 September 2006 15:00
> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.
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> still trying to get this one through...did some edits so we'll see.
For your info (if you don't already realise) I'm at present just reading the
last 3 day's posts and have seen the one you're "trying
to get through" what seems like about 10 times now so maybe it's not that it's
not getting through ('cos believe me it is) but that
you're not receiving all posts that make the list? I have problems posting /
reading posts on the list sometimes (delays, jumbled
order etc.) and I'm never sure if it's my transmission or reception that's the
problem and whether it's the list or something else
like ISP problems. Seems like the poor old 313 is just plain unstable
sometimes - but so as not to be negative a big thanks to
those that keep it ticking over so we can all just walk up and use it :-)
Re: (313) What's the one track that will make you hit the dancefloor???
Call me old-fashioned, but I'm still a sucker for any of the uptempo numbers on the first Inner City album. Andrew -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com http://myspace.com/andrewduke http://cognitionaudioworks.com http://myspace.com/cognitionaudioworks
Re: (313) COMING SOON : ERELL RANSON - SLEEPING BEAUTY / AW-005 12
I have heard some of Erel his stuff and fans of the more deeper techno (like Arne his own material) keep an eye out for this one! KJ On 4-sep-2006, at 18:08, Matt Chester (313) wrote: Hi all- not sure if this was posted already? If not, another cool AW release to look out for. ;-) COMING SOON : ERELL RANSON - SLEEPING BEAUTY / AW-005 12" RELEASE DATE: 18TH OF SEPTEMBER 2006 A1 - NOTHING HAS TO CHANGE (click to listen) A2 - DIGITAL DREAM (click to listen) B1 - THE COLOR OF THE EMPTY SKY (click to listen) B2 - SLEEPING BEAUTY (click to listen) AW-RECORDINGS IS PROUD TO INTRODUCE A NEW TALENT TO THE SCENE. ERELL RANSON IS A PASSIONATE FRENCH PRODUCER WHO HAS BEEN CREATING HIS DEEP AND VERY EMOTIONAL MUSIC FOR YEARS NOW. AT THE AGE OF 12/13 YEARS HE BECAME INFECTED WITH TECHNO THROUGH LAURENT GARNIER'S RADIOSHOW "RAVEMAXX" AND SOME TIME LATER HE STARTED BUYING RECORDS AND DEEJAYING. AROUND 1997 HE BOUGHT HIS FIRST PIECES OF EQUIPMENT AND STARTED TO WORK ON HIS OWN TRACKS. HIS EXCELLENT DEEP PERSONAL EMOTIONAL MUSIC WAS KEPT AS A SECRET FOR WAY TOO LONG.. LUCKILY THE SILENCE IS BROKEN AND AW-RECORDINGS NOW PRESENTS THE DEBUT RELEASE CALLED SLEEPING BEAUTY. WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT? WELL, ERELL'S INFLUENCES ARE THE BELLEVILLE THREE JUAN ATKINS, DERRICK MAY AND KEVIN SAUNDERSON. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COLLECTORS Watch out: LIMITED TO 500 COPIES WORLDWIDE INCLUDING 200 COPIES in BLUE VINYL Next on AW-Recordings: ARNE WEINBERG - PATH OF THE GODS / AW-006 DOUBLE LP & CD
(313) COMING SOON : ERELL RANSON - SLEEPING BEAUTY / AW-005 12
Hi all- not sure if this was posted already? If not, another cool AW release to look out for. ;-) COMING SOON : ERELL RANSON - SLEEPING BEAUTY / AW-005 12" RELEASE DATE: 18TH OF SEPTEMBER 2006 A1 - NOTHING HAS TO CHANGE (click to listen) A2 - DIGITAL DREAM (click to listen) B1 - THE COLOR OF THE EMPTY SKY (click to listen) B2 - SLEEPING BEAUTY (click to listen) AW-RECORDINGS IS PROUD TO INTRODUCE A NEW TALENT TO THE SCENE. ERELL RANSON IS A PASSIONATE FRENCH PRODUCER WHO HAS BEEN CREATING HIS DEEP AND VERY EMOTIONAL MUSIC FOR YEARS NOW. AT THE AGE OF 12/13 YEARS HE BECAME INFECTED WITH TECHNO THROUGH LAURENT GARNIER'S RADIOSHOW "RAVEMAXX" AND SOME TIME LATER HE STARTED BUYING RECORDS AND DEEJAYING. AROUND 1997 HE BOUGHT HIS FIRST PIECES OF EQUIPMENT AND STARTED TO WORK ON HIS OWN TRACKS. HIS EXCELLENT DEEP PERSONAL EMOTIONAL MUSIC WAS KEPT AS A SECRET FOR WAY TOO LONG.. LUCKILY THE SILENCE IS BROKEN AND AW-RECORDINGS NOW PRESENTS THE DEBUT RELEASE CALLED SLEEPING BEAUTY. WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT? WELL, ERELL'S INFLUENCES ARE THE BELLEVILLE THREE JUAN ATKINS, DERRICK MAY AND KEVIN SAUNDERSON. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COLLECTORS Watch out: LIMITED TO 500 COPIES WORLDWIDE INCLUDING 200 COPIES in BLUE VINYL Next on AW-Recordings: ARNE WEINBERG - PATH OF THE GODS / AW-006 DOUBLE LP & CD
Re: (313) Laptop Debate
hmm the nwaq is massive. i have played that for a few friends who had fallen out of touch/enthusiasm with techno and it almost singlehandedly (drexciya lent a hand as well) got them back into it. and the kirk ep's are about as good as it gets these days for deep techno. they didn't stun me at first but then i heard someone else playing them and was really excited by them. but note that these NR's were all mastered by the exchange, and imo, the exchange sucks...loud but very brittle sounding mastering. sounds most of all like you are going thru some sort of very apathetic music phase where very little gets you going...we all go thru that, in years to come you may be surprised by what you are slagging off now... -Original Message- >From: v12 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Sep 4, 2006 10:15 AM >To: 313@hyperreal.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate > >no idea what he has...couldnt care less about it, >ive listened to a bunch of more/less recent new religion output >and it didnt sound particularly warm or special > >(while his blue binary sketches on electric institute sounded really ok ) > > >/12 > > > >- Original Message - >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <313@hyperreal.org> >Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 11:05 AM >Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate > > >> Pardon my dust, but isn't Kirk known for having one of the craziest setups >> of modular analog synths in the world? >> >> m50 >> >> At 07:09 2006/9/3, v12 wrote: >> >silenced: trak 6,10 and 16 - >> >to my ear: NONE >> > >> >they've just got their hi-end cut off which adds greyness to the overall >> >impression.. >> >i've listened to 320 kbps mp3s and it all sounds like arturia vsti's or >> >something like that. >> >reminds me of the numerous degiorgio releases (new religion) i tried to >> >listen to not long ago.. >> > >> >option "b" - if any of thse was actually made with analog gear, then mr >> >downey could feel free to sell the boxes as the same sound might be >> >generated with the digital emulation. on the fly, at the click of the >> >mouse.. >> > >> >/12 >> >- Original Message - >> >From: "Martin Dust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >To: <313@hyperreal.org> >> >Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:18 AM >> >Subject: (313) Laptop Debate >> > >> > >> > > OK then, which one of these is purely made on analog kit? >> > > >> > > >http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-06-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u >> > > >http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-10-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u >> > > >http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-16-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u >> > > >> > > m >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> >
Re: (313) What's the one track that will make you hit the dancefloor???
On 9/4/06, Dan Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: erm, just one? harsh, how about three? Infiniti - Game One Armando - Welcome To The Warehouse Ronnie Dyson - All Over Your Face thems is three bangers for sure. tom
Re: (313) What's the one track that will make you hit the dancefloor???
cobblestone jazz - 5th element common factor " exploration:meaning" noleian reusse - "lovers jack" scorpion's dream "aqua dance" first "one traks" that come to mind... /12 - Original Message - From: "Peteri, Jochem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 3:23 PM Subject: RE: (313) What's the one track that will make you hit the dancefloor??? good lyrics too btw... i like tracks with lyrics. http://www.lordsofacid.com/lyrics/index.php?show=27 good topic as well. technolyrics.. anyone? -Original Message- From: Peteri, Jochem [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: maandag 4 september 2006 15:17 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) What's the one track that will make you hit the dancefloor??? lords of acid - sit on acid the perfect setting is putting it on yourself and then levitate your body with extreme force towards the most crowded spot while screaming something cheerfull oh, and i love the velvet man. always good for a sliding... -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: maandag 4 september 2006 15:08 To: marina pure sonik; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) What's the one track that will make you hit the dancefloor??? (Now this is more like it) ...here are two that do it for me: 1. Designer Music - Good Girls 2. Taana Gardner - Work That Body
Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.
march 2007, i'll send someone for it.. remind me a week before if you could... /12 - Original Message - From: "Neil Wiernik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 7:30 AM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. > > dont bother you wont like it regardless > musically producers like myself and dale are obviously far to complex for > some one who uses toilet paper > enjoy the view from your high horse when you fall off > your horse we can then again talk... better yet if you want the real deal > Ill probally be playing in warsaw in march 2007 > so I can hand you that toilet paper in your hand if I can reach that high > up where you are! > > > On Mon, 4 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: > > > what for? quality toilet paper is widely available and does its job really. > > i dont need substitutes, > > if i change my mind - you'll be the first to know.. > > > > /12 > > - Original Message - > > From: "Neil Wiernik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 1:40 AM > > Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. > > > > > >> > >> oh ok then he can get my stuff at the local shop in polan cargo services > >> poland > >> > >> On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, kent williams wrote: > >> > >>> He's in Poland, give him a break. The whole world isn't like Canada or > > the > >>> US. > >>> > >>> On 9/3/06, Neil Wiernik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > you under estimate my knowlege sir get off dial up and listen to what > > Im > talking about once your out of the internet dark ages we can continue > > this > conversation ... > as streaming bandwitdh does change the sound of things... > neil.. > > > On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: > > > listened to the first one (which was a pain in the *ss as im on a > > dial > up > > till 25th) , i dont know what to say.. > > you surely are familiar with any of the examples of "warm sound" i > mentioned > > earlier? > > > > i'll pretend i havent heard anyone saying "boiling hot" today .. > > > > /12 > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Neil Wiernik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 5:18 PM > > Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. > > > > > >> > >> fair enough > >> go here > >> http://www.myspace.com/nawmusic > >> the tracks from the green nights orange days record are prime > > examples > of > >> my music mastered BY twerk sounding warm so first listen to mid > > winter > >> sailboat ride, and penny fishing north of main > >> the 2 tracks there as part of the unrelease titled birch bark > > ceiling > wax > >> and 4 by 6 are made using the same technology, tools and recorded > > only a > >> month after the green nights orange days record was but was NOT > > mastered > >> by twerk but rather mastered by someone else using a similar studio > > set > >> up to what twerk uses. > >> you can directly hear the difference right away... > >> neil... > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> ^honestly, i gave you examples/titles as i know what i am saying. > >>> if you say the opposite -pls stop the general statements about some > > ghost > >>> recordings and give me examples/titles in return. > >>> that really saves time. btw twerk/sutekh and related producers are > >>> repsonsible for the most absurd > >>> audio ive heard so let me hear the "boiling hot" you talk about.. > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> www.phoniq.net > >> releases available on: > >> www.noisefactoryrecords.com > >> publication: > >> www.vagueterrain.net > >> > > > > > > > www.phoniq.net > releases available on: > www.noisefactoryrecords.com > publication: > www.vagueterrain.net > > >>> > >> > >> > >> www.phoniq.net > >> releases available on: > >> www.noisefactoryrecords.com > >> publication: > >> www.vagueterrain.net > >> > > > > > > > www.phoniq.net > releases available on: > www.noisefactoryrecords.com > publication: > www.vagueterrain.net >
Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.
make one more jokes of my geo-location and i'll call things directly what they are again,unless you ban me from the list on time.. /12 - Original Message - From: "Klaas-Jan Jongsma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313 Mailinglist List" <313@hyperreal.org> Cc: "Kent Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 11:04 AM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. > Ok, now we have come to the point were we are insulting people, this > threat is now officially dead (Godwin law's maybe?). Lets stop this, > don't reply to this anymore and think it never happened. > > KJ > > > On 4-sep-2006, at 6:43, v12 wrote: > > > what for? quality toilet paper is widely available and does its job > > really. > > i dont need substitutes, > > if i change my mind - you'll be the first to know.. >
Re: (313) Laptop Debate
no idea what he has...couldnt care less about it, ive listened to a bunch of more/less recent new religion output and it didnt sound particularly warm or special (while his blue binary sketches on electric institute sounded really ok ) /12 - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate > Pardon my dust, but isn't Kirk known for having one of the craziest setups > of modular analog synths in the world? > > m50 > > At 07:09 2006/9/3, v12 wrote: > >silenced: trak 6,10 and 16 - > >to my ear: NONE > > > >they've just got their hi-end cut off which adds greyness to the overall > >impression.. > >i've listened to 320 kbps mp3s and it all sounds like arturia vsti's or > >something like that. > >reminds me of the numerous degiorgio releases (new religion) i tried to > >listen to not long ago.. > > > >option "b" - if any of thse was actually made with analog gear, then mr > >downey could feel free to sell the boxes as the same sound might be > >generated with the digital emulation. on the fly, at the click of the > >mouse.. > > > >/12 > >- Original Message - > >From: "Martin Dust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <313@hyperreal.org> > >Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:18 AM > >Subject: (313) Laptop Debate > > > > > > > OK then, which one of these is purely made on analog kit? > > > > > > http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-06-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u > > > http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-10-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u > > > http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-16-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u > > > > > > m > > > > > > > > > > >
RE: (313) What's the one track that will make you hit the dancefloor???
erm, just one? harsh, how about three? Infiniti - Game One Armando - Welcome To The Warehouse Ronnie Dyson - All Over Your Face Don't dance that much these days unfortunately. I'm far too picky.
RE: (313) What's the one track that will make you hit the dancefloor???
good lyrics too btw... i like tracks with lyrics. http://www.lordsofacid.com/lyrics/index.php?show=27 good topic as well. technolyrics.. anyone? -Original Message- From: Peteri, Jochem [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: maandag 4 september 2006 15:17 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) What's the one track that will make you hit the dancefloor??? lords of acid - sit on acid the perfect setting is putting it on yourself and then levitate your body with extreme force towards the most crowded spot while screaming something cheerfull oh, and i love the velvet man. always good for a sliding... -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: maandag 4 september 2006 15:08 To: marina pure sonik; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) What's the one track that will make you hit the dancefloor??? (Now this is more like it) ...here are two that do it for me: 1. Designer Music - Good Girls 2. Taana Gardner - Work That Body
RE: (313) What's the one track that will make you hit the dancefloor???
lords of acid - sit on acid the perfect setting is putting it on yourself and then levitate your body with extreme force towards the most crowded spot while screaming something cheerfull oh, and i love the velvet man. always good for a sliding... -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: maandag 4 september 2006 15:08 To: marina pure sonik; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) What's the one track that will make you hit the dancefloor??? (Now this is more like it) ...here are two that do it for me: 1. Designer Music - Good Girls 2. Taana Gardner - Work That Body
RE: (313) What's the one track that will make you hit the dancefloor???
(Now this is more like it) ...here are two that do it for me: 1. Designer Music - Good Girls 2. Taana Gardner - Work That Body
RE: (313) Laptop Debate
-Original Message- From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2006 10:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Laptop Debate Yeah i can remember seeing a gearlist in some article and it is definitely a gearjunkies wetdream, oh and he has this: http://www.kirkdegiorgio.com/ModcanB.htm Now this reminds me of something I've thought for a while ... I like Kirk a lot - he's the same age as me so he must be a good egg (!) Plus he's one of the people I challenge myself with to see if he's ever made a bad record. I certainly don't own any duffers by him. Problem is - despite the fact that my record collection is peppered with his releases from year dot, I'm not sure I can hear the spell-binding difference in the sounds he comes up with, with that rig and the sounds that it's possible to get from a mid-range analog/digital synth. I just can't. I still like the last 3 LPs though, so don't get me wrong, but I just think he could have saved himself some money or something! Just mo. Having said that, it does illustrate that this software vs. hardware debate currently raging is not really a 'new paradigm' problem. The same debates could be heard between advocates and detractors of acoustic vs. amplified, synths vs. guitars, and naturally, modular versus stand-alone (or whatever they're called.) So long as you know that such debates are usually futile, I guess they can be fun and instructive. K
Re: (313) Laptop Debate
Yeah i can remember seeing a gearlist in some article and it is definitely a gearjunkies wetdream, oh and he has this: http://www.kirkdegiorgio.com/ModcanB.htm On 4-sep-2006, at 11:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pardon my dust, but isn't Kirk known for having one of the craziest setups of modular analog synths in the world? m50 At 07:09 2006/9/3, v12 wrote: silenced: trak 6,10 and 16 - to my ear: NONE they've just got their hi-end cut off which adds greyness to the overall impression.. i've listened to 320 kbps mp3s and it all sounds like arturia vsti's or something like that. reminds me of the numerous degiorgio releases (new religion) i tried to listen to not long ago.. option "b" - if any of thse was actually made with analog gear, then mr downey could feel free to sell the boxes as the same sound might be generated with the digital emulation. on the fly, at the click of the mouse.. /12 - Original Message - From: "Martin Dust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: (313) Laptop Debate > OK then, which one of these is purely made on analog kit? > > http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-06-TheBlackDog- Silenced.m3u > http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-10-TheBlackDog- Silenced.m3u > http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-16-TheBlackDog- Silenced.m3u > > m > > >
Re: (313) Laptop Debate
Pardon my dust, but isn't Kirk known for having one of the craziest setups of modular analog synths in the world? m50 At 07:09 2006/9/3, v12 wrote: silenced: trak 6,10 and 16 - to my ear: NONE they've just got their hi-end cut off which adds greyness to the overall impression.. i've listened to 320 kbps mp3s and it all sounds like arturia vsti's or something like that. reminds me of the numerous degiorgio releases (new religion) i tried to listen to not long ago.. option "b" - if any of thse was actually made with analog gear, then mr downey could feel free to sell the boxes as the same sound might be generated with the digital emulation. on the fly, at the click of the mouse.. /12 - Original Message - From: "Martin Dust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: (313) Laptop Debate > OK then, which one of these is purely made on analog kit? > > http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-06-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u > http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-10-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u > http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-16-TheBlackDog-Silenced.m3u > > m > > >
Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.
Ok, now we have come to the point were we are insulting people, this threat is now officially dead (Godwin law's maybe?). Lets stop this, don't reply to this anymore and think it never happened. KJ On 4-sep-2006, at 6:43, v12 wrote: what for? quality toilet paper is widely available and does its job really. i dont need substitutes, if i change my mind - you'll be the first to know..
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Brilliant, you truly have no idea what you are talking about, goodnight... m On 3 Sep 2006, at 13:09, v12 wrote: silenced: trak 6,10 and 16 - to my ear: NONE they've just got their hi-end cut off which adds greyness to the overall impression.. i've listened to 320 kbps mp3s and it all sounds like arturia vsti's or something like that. reminds me of the numerous degiorgio releases (new religion) i tried to listen to not long ago.. option "b" - if any of thse was actually made with analog gear, then mr downey could feel free to sell the boxes as the same sound might be generated with the digital emulation. on the fly, at the click of the mouse.. /12 - Original Message - From: "Martin Dust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: (313) Laptop Debate OK then, which one of these is purely made on analog kit? http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-06-TheBlackDog- Silenced.m3u http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-10-TheBlackDog- Silenced.m3u http://www.dustscience.com/Audio/hi/dustsnd003-16-TheBlackDog- Silenced.m3u m
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dont worry I wont give up making, releaseing and giging my music simply becasue you wont grace my music on your shelf.. in fact many of the more then talented producers on this list whom you have insulted wont give up eather... your one consumer in a sea of music lovers...your views wont stop or discourage any one from doing what they love...but your view will discourge your personaly ablity to continue to enjoy music that has been made since 1998... enjoy your collection of music limited to 8 years of music making... On Mon, 4 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: "go and buy my stuff its all on noise factory records distributed in europe" ^this is the stuff i was waiting for; you think it's easy to get onto my record shelf? that acting like some backward canadian brat on some mailing list is enough of a reason to put you among kdjs, 69s or drexciyas? congrats kid, now you got my nearly fallen off my chair :) and dont forget to update your myspace pics, kiddies /12 - Original Message - From: "Neil Wiernik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 1:40 AM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. ok now your being a twat my stuff is released properly you ass!! Im tring to save you some time and money if you want then go and buy my stuff its all on noise factory records distributed in europe and the UK where I think you are by cargo, in japan by polp and in NA by outside music...or itunes also in case your to much of a shut in and wont leave your house oh wait you are still on DIAL UP!!!LMAO internet backwater!!! On Mon, 4 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: so what's the optimum stream? a cda quality? well i cant wait to hear that ;/ or get your stuff out properly so we can talk about audio detail /12 - Original Message - From: "Neil Wiernik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 11:43 PM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. you under estimate my knowlege sir get off dial up and listen to what Im talking about once your out of the internet dark ages we can continue this conversation ... as streaming bandwitdh does change the sound of things... neil.. On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: listened to the first one (which was a pain in the *ss as im on a dial up till 25th) , i dont know what to say.. you surely are familiar with any of the examples of "warm sound" i mentioned earlier? i'll pretend i havent heard anyone saying "boiling hot" today .. /12 - Original Message - From: "Neil Wiernik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. fair enough go here http://www.myspace.com/nawmusic the tracks from the green nights orange days record are prime examples of my music mastered BY twerk sounding warm so first listen to mid winter sailboat ride, and penny fishing north of main the 2 tracks there as part of the unrelease titled birch bark ceiling wax and 4 by 6 are made using the same technology, tools and recorded only a month after the green nights orange days record was but was NOT mastered by twerk but rather mastered by someone else using a similar studio set up to what twerk uses. you can directly hear the difference right away... neil... On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: ^honestly, i gave you examples/titles as i know what i am saying. if you say the opposite -pls stop the general statements about some ghost recordings and give me examples/titles in return. that really saves time. btw twerk/sutekh and related producers are repsonsible for the most absurd audio ive heard so let me hear the "boiling hot" you talk about.. www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net
Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.
dont bother you wont like it regardless musically producers like myself and dale are obviously far to complex for some one who uses toilet paper enjoy the view from your high horse when you fall off your horse we can then again talk... better yet if you want the real deal Ill probally be playing in warsaw in march 2007 so I can hand you that toilet paper in your hand if I can reach that high up where you are! On Mon, 4 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: what for? quality toilet paper is widely available and does its job really. i dont need substitutes, if i change my mind - you'll be the first to know.. /12 - Original Message - From: "Neil Wiernik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 1:40 AM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. oh ok then he can get my stuff at the local shop in polan cargo services poland On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, kent williams wrote: He's in Poland, give him a break. The whole world isn't like Canada or the US. On 9/3/06, Neil Wiernik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: you under estimate my knowlege sir get off dial up and listen to what Im talking about once your out of the internet dark ages we can continue this conversation ... as streaming bandwitdh does change the sound of things... neil.. On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: listened to the first one (which was a pain in the *ss as im on a dial up till 25th) , i dont know what to say.. you surely are familiar with any of the examples of "warm sound" i mentioned earlier? i'll pretend i havent heard anyone saying "boiling hot" today .. /12 - Original Message - From: "Neil Wiernik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. fair enough go here http://www.myspace.com/nawmusic the tracks from the green nights orange days record are prime examples of my music mastered BY twerk sounding warm so first listen to mid winter sailboat ride, and penny fishing north of main the 2 tracks there as part of the unrelease titled birch bark ceiling wax and 4 by 6 are made using the same technology, tools and recorded only a month after the green nights orange days record was but was NOT mastered by twerk but rather mastered by someone else using a similar studio set up to what twerk uses. you can directly hear the difference right away... neil... On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: ^honestly, i gave you examples/titles as i know what i am saying. if you say the opposite -pls stop the general statements about some ghost recordings and give me examples/titles in return. that really saves time. btw twerk/sutekh and related producers are repsonsible for the most absurd audio ive heard so let me hear the "boiling hot" you talk about.. www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net
Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.
dale like you Im beginning to thinkthat this whole thread has become pointless.. neil.. On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, Dale Lawrence wrote: Maybe this is pointless too... At 04:53 PM 9/3/2006, you wrote: listened to the first one (which was a pain in the *ss as im on a dial up till 25th) , i dont know what to say.. you surely are familiar with any of the examples of "warm sound" i mentioned earlier? i'll pretend i havent heard anyone saying "boiling hot" today .. /12 - Original Message - From: "Neil Wiernik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. > > fair enough > go here > http://www.myspace.com/nawmusic > the tracks from the green nights orange days record are prime examples of > my music mastered BY twerk sounding warm so first listen to mid winter > sailboat ride, and penny fishing north of main > the 2 tracks there as part of the unrelease titled birch bark ceiling wax > and 4 by 6 are made using the same technology, tools and recorded only a > month after the green nights orange days record was but was NOT mastered > by twerk but rather mastered by someone else using a similar studio set > up to what twerk uses. > you can directly hear the difference right away... > neil... > > > > On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: > > > > > > ^honestly, i gave you examples/titles as i know what i am saying. > > if you say the opposite -pls stop the general statements about some ghost > > recordings and give me examples/titles in return. > > that really saves time. btw twerk/sutekh and related producers are > > repsonsible for the most absurd > > audio ive heard so let me hear the "boiling hot" you talk about.. > > > > > > > www.phoniq.net > releases available on: > www.noisefactoryrecords.com > publication: > www.vagueterrain.net > www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net
Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.
"go and buy my stuff its all on noise factory records distributed in europe" ^this is the stuff i was waiting for; you think it's easy to get onto my record shelf? that acting like some backward canadian brat on some mailing list is enough of a reason to put you among kdjs, 69s or drexciyas? congrats kid, now you got my nearly fallen off my chair :) and dont forget to update your myspace pics, kiddies /12 - Original Message - From: "Neil Wiernik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 1:40 AM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. > > ok now your being a twat > my stuff is released properly you ass!! > Im tring to save you some time and money if you want then > go and buy my stuff its all on noise factory records distributed in europe > and the UK where I think you are by cargo, in japan by polp and in NA by > outside music...or itunes also in case your to much of a shut in and wont > leave your house oh wait you are still on DIAL UP!!!LMAO internet > backwater!!! > > > > On Mon, 4 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: > > > so what's the optimum stream? a cda quality? > > well i cant wait to hear that ;/ > > or get your stuff out properly so we can talk about audio detail > > > > /12 > > - Original Message - > > From: "Neil Wiernik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 11:43 PM > > Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. > > > > > >> > >> you under estimate my knowlege sir get off dial up and listen to what Im > >> talking about once your out of the internet dark ages we can continue this > >> conversation ... > >> as streaming bandwitdh does change the sound of things... > >> neil.. > >> > >> > >> On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: > >> > >>> listened to the first one (which was a pain in the *ss as im on a dial > > up > >>> till 25th) , i dont know what to say.. > >>> you surely are familiar with any of the examples of "warm sound" i > > mentioned > >>> earlier? > >>> > >>> i'll pretend i havent heard anyone saying "boiling hot" today .. > >>> > >>> /12 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> - Original Message - > >>> From: "Neil Wiernik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To: <313@hyperreal.org> > >>> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 5:18 PM > >>> Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. > >>> > >>> > > fair enough > go here > http://www.myspace.com/nawmusic > the tracks from the green nights orange days record are prime examples > > of > my music mastered BY twerk sounding warm so first listen to mid winter > sailboat ride, and penny fishing north of main > the 2 tracks there as part of the unrelease titled birch bark ceiling > > wax > and 4 by 6 are made using the same technology, tools and recorded only > > a > month after the green nights orange days record was but was NOT > > mastered > by twerk but rather mastered by someone else using a similar studio > > set > up to what twerk uses. > you can directly hear the difference right away... > neil... > > > > On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: > > > > > > ^honestly, i gave you examples/titles as i know what i am saying. > > if you say the opposite -pls stop the general statements about some > >>> ghost > > recordings and give me examples/titles in return. > > that really saves time. btw twerk/sutekh and related producers are > > repsonsible for the most absurd > > audio ive heard so let me hear the "boiling hot" you talk about.. > > > > > > > www.phoniq.net > releases available on: > www.noisefactoryrecords.com > publication: > www.vagueterrain.net > > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> www.phoniq.net > >> releases available on: > >> www.noisefactoryrecords.com > >> publication: > >> www.vagueterrain.net > >> > > > > > > > www.phoniq.net > releases available on: > www.noisefactoryrecords.com > publication: > www.vagueterrain.net >
Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.
:) well, then take some jazz trak,compress the audio down to 128 kbps do the same to your average laptop trak..and guess what..the quality sucks in both cases, but the laptop trak sounds incomparably more bright, stiff, lifeless... than the other one. how come? i'll tell you when you learn to accept reality as it is. /12 - Original Message - From: "Dale Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 2:21 AM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. > > It's myspace... those are mp3's... low quality mp3's at that because > that is all that myspace will let you upload. > > You can not reproduce a warm sound with a compressed music file. (ie: > mp3s) Most of the audio spectrum that compression filters prioritize > is at the high end because the higher you go on the spectrum the more > detail and bandwidth you need to even approximate the sound. > > mp3's sound crunchy and dry... even the high quality ones. In order > to make a proper comparison you're going to have to either go get a > copy of the real thing, or download an uncompressed wave file, burn > it to a cd, and listen to it on your normal system. > > Maybe this is pointless too... > > At 04:53 PM 9/3/2006, you wrote: > >listened to the first one (which was a pain in the *ss as im on a dial up > >till 25th) , i dont know what to say.. > >you surely are familiar with any of the examples of "warm sound" i mentioned > >earlier? > > > >i'll pretend i havent heard anyone saying "boiling hot" today .. > > > >/12 > > > > > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Neil Wiernik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <313@hyperreal.org> > >Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 5:18 PM > >Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. > > > > > > > > > > fair enough > > > go here > > > http://www.myspace.com/nawmusic > > > the tracks from the green nights orange days record are prime examples of > > > my music mastered BY twerk sounding warm so first listen to mid winter > > > sailboat ride, and penny fishing north of main > > > the 2 tracks there as part of the unrelease titled birch bark ceiling wax > > > and 4 by 6 are made using the same technology, tools and recorded only a > > > month after the green nights orange days record was but was NOT mastered > > > by twerk but rather mastered by someone else using a similar studio set > > > up to what twerk uses. > > > you can directly hear the difference right away... > > > neil... > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ^honestly, i gave you examples/titles as i know what i am saying. > > > > if you say the opposite -pls stop the general statements about some > >ghost > > > > recordings and give me examples/titles in return. > > > > that really saves time. btw twerk/sutekh and related producers are > > > > repsonsible for the most absurd > > > > audio ive heard so let me hear the "boiling hot" you talk about.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.phoniq.net > > > releases available on: > > > www.noisefactoryrecords.com > > > publication: > > > www.vagueterrain.net > > > > >
Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.
what for? quality toilet paper is widely available and does its job really. i dont need substitutes, if i change my mind - you'll be the first to know.. /12 - Original Message - From: "Neil Wiernik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 1:40 AM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. > > oh ok then he can get my stuff at the local shop in polan cargo services > poland > > On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, kent williams wrote: > > > He's in Poland, give him a break. The whole world isn't like Canada or the > > US. > > > > On 9/3/06, Neil Wiernik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> you under estimate my knowlege sir get off dial up and listen to what Im > >> talking about once your out of the internet dark ages we can continue this > >> conversation ... > >> as streaming bandwitdh does change the sound of things... > >> neil.. > >> > >> > >> On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: > >> > >> > listened to the first one (which was a pain in the *ss as im on a dial > >> up > >> > till 25th) , i dont know what to say.. > >> > you surely are familiar with any of the examples of "warm sound" i > >> mentioned > >> > earlier? > >> > > >> > i'll pretend i havent heard anyone saying "boiling hot" today .. > >> > > >> > /12 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > - Original Message - > >> > From: "Neil Wiernik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > >> > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 5:18 PM > >> > Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. > >> > > >> > > >> >> > >> >> fair enough > >> >> go here > >> >> http://www.myspace.com/nawmusic > >> >> the tracks from the green nights orange days record are prime examples > >> of > >> >> my music mastered BY twerk sounding warm so first listen to mid winter > >> >> sailboat ride, and penny fishing north of main > >> >> the 2 tracks there as part of the unrelease titled birch bark ceiling > >> wax > >> >> and 4 by 6 are made using the same technology, tools and recorded only a > >> >> month after the green nights orange days record was but was NOT mastered > >> >> by twerk but rather mastered by someone else using a similar studio set > >> >> up to what twerk uses. > >> >> you can directly hear the difference right away... > >> >> neil... > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> ^honestly, i gave you examples/titles as i know what i am saying. > >> >>> if you say the opposite -pls stop the general statements about some > >> > ghost > >> >>> recordings and give me examples/titles in return. > >> >>> that really saves time. btw twerk/sutekh and related producers are > >> >>> repsonsible for the most absurd > >> >>> audio ive heard so let me hear the "boiling hot" you talk about.. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> www.phoniq.net > >> >> releases available on: > >> >> www.noisefactoryrecords.com > >> >> publication: > >> >> www.vagueterrain.net > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> www.phoniq.net > >> releases available on: > >> www.noisefactoryrecords.com > >> publication: > >> www.vagueterrain.net > >> > > > > > www.phoniq.net > releases available on: > www.noisefactoryrecords.com > publication: > www.vagueterrain.net >
Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.
indeed it isnt, there are countries where you actually have to think before you do or say something ...imagine? - Original Message - From: "kent williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Neil Wiernik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 12:31 AM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. > He's in Poland, give him a break. The whole world isn't like Canada or the US. > > On 9/3/06, Neil Wiernik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > you under estimate my knowlege sir get off dial up and listen to what Im > > talking about once your out of the internet dark ages we can continue this > > conversation ... > > as streaming bandwitdh does change the sound of things... > > neil.. > > > > > > On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: > > > > > listened to the first one (which was a pain in the *ss as im on a dial up > > > till 25th) , i dont know what to say.. > > > you surely are familiar with any of the examples of "warm sound" i mentioned > > > earlier? > > > > > > i'll pretend i havent heard anyone saying "boiling hot" today .. > > > > > > /12 > > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Neil Wiernik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > > > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 5:18 PM > > > Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. > > > > > > > > >> > > >> fair enough > > >> go here > > >> http://www.myspace.com/nawmusic > > >> the tracks from the green nights orange days record are prime examples of > > >> my music mastered BY twerk sounding warm so first listen to mid winter > > >> sailboat ride, and penny fishing north of main > > >> the 2 tracks there as part of the unrelease titled birch bark ceiling wax > > >> and 4 by 6 are made using the same technology, tools and recorded only a > > >> month after the green nights orange days record was but was NOT mastered > > >> by twerk but rather mastered by someone else using a similar studio set > > >> up to what twerk uses. > > >> you can directly hear the difference right away... > > >> neil... > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ^honestly, i gave you examples/titles as i know what i am saying. > > >>> if you say the opposite -pls stop the general statements about some > > > ghost > > >>> recordings and give me examples/titles in return. > > >>> that really saves time. btw twerk/sutekh and related producers are > > >>> repsonsible for the most absurd > > >>> audio ive heard so let me hear the "boiling hot" you talk about.. > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> www.phoniq.net > > >> releases available on: > > >> www.noisefactoryrecords.com > > >> publication: > > >> www.vagueterrain.net > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > www.phoniq.net > > releases available on: > > www.noisefactoryrecords.com > > publication: > > www.vagueterrain.net > > >
RE: (313) Production
>or another chance is people are getting increasingly dumb - example: the >recent monolake - >you can smell 001010101010s from a mile yet 9 out of 10 ppl will say..it >sounds like basic channel. >which is...hardly sane ;/ eh? that alaska one? it does sound like basic channel, not exactly but the similarity is obvious enough. it also sounds very digital and modern but in a great way. it's an incredibly good record that makes most dub techno and just plain techno records sound like amateur hour tho imo, henke/monolake albums continue to be full of lots of less than lovable tracks, cold/clinical soundscapes, with a few moments of brilliance peppered instill respect henke to no end. one of the very best producers in the world imo
Re: (313) cheesy house
Sydney is the capital of cheesy house. ;) Real cheesy house, that is. Simon on the list is up on the cool underground stuff in Sydney. Funny cos Sydney's mainstream is now defined by the Bang Gang electro- house mash-up posse and I recall meeting BG's Dangerous Dan down here years back and teasing him all night about his headwear... then a few years on I see him profiled in Vanity Fair as part of the million dollar Tsubi jeans empire. Talk about eating my hat... Look out for Modular events. They're showcasing some interesting acts - Presets, Midnight Juggernauts, Cut Copy, etc. Critics may dismiss it as too fashion-based but they should look beyond that. On 01/09/2006, at 3:22 PM, ed612313 wrote: Hey peoples. Ive decided to add some cheesy house to my vinyl collection. Terrence Parker styles:) Anyone recommend any good online stores? Ive hit up opusrecords once. They seem to be preety good Trying to get hold of a few shaun escoffery records, bucketheadz, erro, DJ Disciple,SARA DEVINE/LOUIE VEGA SPECIAL. etc Any ideas Thanks ed ps anyone who gotr back to me about my "whats hapening in sydney" question, thanks. I meant to write back but my sister deleted all the messages so sorry
Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.
Because arguments aren't fair. If you make a point that refutes something someone says, they can always say that wasn't actually what they said. Or they can take one thing out of your statement and provide what they think is a counter-example, and then use that to think they've refuted everything they've said. Or they can ignore everything you've said and hang on to the precious preconceptions from which they began the argument, and attack you personally for disagreeing with them. Or they can act as though their personal taste in music is an objective measurement of musical quality. Or if they can't convince you, or anyone else that disagrees with them, they can claim that the argument wasn't worth discussing in the first place. Dale, meet Internet. Internet, meet Dale. On 9/3/06, Dale Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Why is it that when I make a good solid argument it somehow becomes pointless...
Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.
Why is it that when I make a good solid argument it somehow becomes pointless... and then the reason isn't even backed up with anything else that is solid? It's like the decision was made long ago, and when the logic is at point blank range it still isn't acknowledged. There are a bunch of may-as-well-be-5-years-olds who never touched a keyboard, and they are not even aware of what a waveform is at all. They will turn on their computers, install some so-called 'music software' and make complete s#!%. It's not pointless because you are insulting every truly creative person that uses a computer because of the people that aren't using it creatively the baby and the bath water analogy... I'm here in their defense to tell you why I believe that you are wrong. Errr... I mean, this is pointless. At 04:49 PM 9/3/2006, you wrote: sweet fng jesus ;/ "In a computer it is the same thing, there are a lot of elements that are geared to that same mainstream audience, as well as all of those garbage loop and prefab rhythm programs/plug-ins, and you have to get past that just like with real world synths and make your own sounds. You have to make them your own. A good artist will synth and tweak every sound in their production themselves and have total control " ^that's ok when you start the topic with a bunch of 5 year-olders who never touched a keyboard..& who are not aware of what sort of waveforms surround them ;/ etc. as you probably noticed - this is not the case.. cliche aside.. or let's end the discussion before it reaches new levels of pointlessness* /12
Re: (313) The Laptop Debate - the imitation of sound
Well, don't be too frightened. All I'm saying is ... well it's right there in the Bible Matthew 7:16: "By their fruits ye shall know them." It's been a long way around through a sometimes interesting debate, but the bottom line for me is that it's an argument that pretty silly. I make tracks, so I'm interested in production techniques. For anyone else it's just inside baseball, and it shouldn't matter -- either the results speak to your condition or they don't. On 9/3/06, chthonic streams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "kent williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Honestly, what matters besides the actual compositions? maybe i'm taking this one line too much out of context, but that sounds like a frighteningly traditionalist rhetorical question.
Re: (313) The Laptop Debate.
It's myspace... those are mp3's... low quality mp3's at that because that is all that myspace will let you upload. You can not reproduce a warm sound with a compressed music file. (ie: mp3s) Most of the audio spectrum that compression filters prioritize is at the high end because the higher you go on the spectrum the more detail and bandwidth you need to even approximate the sound. mp3's sound crunchy and dry... even the high quality ones. In order to make a proper comparison you're going to have to either go get a copy of the real thing, or download an uncompressed wave file, burn it to a cd, and listen to it on your normal system. Maybe this is pointless too... At 04:53 PM 9/3/2006, you wrote: listened to the first one (which was a pain in the *ss as im on a dial up till 25th) , i dont know what to say.. you surely are familiar with any of the examples of "warm sound" i mentioned earlier? i'll pretend i havent heard anyone saying "boiling hot" today .. /12 - Original Message - From: "Neil Wiernik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: Re: (313) The Laptop Debate. > > fair enough > go here > http://www.myspace.com/nawmusic > the tracks from the green nights orange days record are prime examples of > my music mastered BY twerk sounding warm so first listen to mid winter > sailboat ride, and penny fishing north of main > the 2 tracks there as part of the unrelease titled birch bark ceiling wax > and 4 by 6 are made using the same technology, tools and recorded only a > month after the green nights orange days record was but was NOT mastered > by twerk but rather mastered by someone else using a similar studio set > up to what twerk uses. > you can directly hear the difference right away... > neil... > > > > On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, v12 wrote: > > > > > > ^honestly, i gave you examples/titles as i know what i am saying. > > if you say the opposite -pls stop the general statements about some ghost > > recordings and give me examples/titles in return. > > that really saves time. btw twerk/sutekh and related producers are > > repsonsible for the most absurd > > audio ive heard so let me hear the "boiling hot" you talk about.. > > > > > > > www.phoniq.net > releases available on: > www.noisefactoryrecords.com > publication: > www.vagueterrain.net >
Re: (313) The Laptop Debate - the imitation of sound
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Self-appointed "golden ears" dismiss feeling and creativity, because anyone can appreciate those qualities in music (though not always at first blush, since some tastes are acquired), whereas it takes a genuine superior class of lonely douche to prioritize the production pipeline in their evaluation of a record. i think feeling and creativity are paramount, but if poorly captured sonically, sometimes those things do not come across. without the right mic or compressor we might not hear a certain emotive quality in the singer's voice. without the right balance, all the little things thrown into the background of the music can get lost. without the proper EQ or mastering, the kick drum might not be banging to the level that makes people go insane. it doesn't take "golden ears" to hear or miss those things. recorded music is not simply music that's been recorded; it's a medium in and of itself, and every step in the chain matters to an extent. but yes, great tracks are made without everything being perfect, and without the initial greatness all the rest is just frosting with no cake. d.
