(313) old school chicago house mixes
thought people might be interested http://www.nuyoshi.com/wbmx.htm
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Formula Sound PM80 Badass mixer.
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funktion one also make some brilliant sounding speakers. cielo in new york has a system of theirs and it is totally awe inspiring. On 10/24/07, Paul Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.funktion-one.com/FF6000.htm > > Al check the link, funktion 1 started re making them. The Panarama Bar > in Berlin has one I think > > -Original Message- > From: Alan Heneghan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 24 October 2007 14:18 > To: Paul Kendrick; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (313) votes > > I own a A&H 62 and really like the sound of it, but find it a bit > cramped sometimes, but superb at home. > > I'm also a big fan of the Formula Sound PM80 (a mixer that has been out > of production for over 10 years, very popular with sound engineers) and > Ecler SCLAT100. > Both, 19" rack mounted, super clean signal path, no effects, tank like > workhorses. > Played on an original UREI at a club once, but as mentioned, the lack of > EQ was daft. > > So out of the choices given, 62. > > > Alan Heneghan > > > > > > > From: Paul Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:17:12 +0100 > > To: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <313@hyperreal.org> > > Conversation: (313) votes > > Subject: RE: (313) votes > > > > I agree with Tom on this every mixer has unnecessary features and lots > > > are badly laid out, gains on the back is just silly. I am still to > > find the perfect mixer.. > > > > Im currently using this, vestax PMC-CX > > > > http://www.vestax.com/v/products/mixers/pmc-cx.html > > > > Not the best, EQ could be better and the filters are pointless I don't > > > think mixers should have FX like this. It just annoys me when you hear > > > people using them all the time to cover there bad mixing.if you > > want FX buy a separate unit > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 24 October 2007 12:58 > > To: 313@hyperreal.org > > Subject: Re: (313) votes > > > > On 10/24/07, Alan Heneghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Gains on the back are to stop IDIOT DJs turning them up and > >> destroying > > > >> sound systems. > > > > so people who play 70's LP cuts next to 00's 12" cuts have to pay the > > price for morons? wrong answer. that mixer with the gains on the back > > is the biggest pile of sh*t ive ever used in my entire life. > > > > that said, i dont like any of the popular mixers. ive played on a&hs, > > vestaxes, numarks, eclers, ranes, etc. not one of them has ever made > > me feel like i needed to go out and buy one. that said, ive never > > messed with a classic rotary mixer either, but they dont have built in > > > EQs which is also stupid. the people who make and design mixers are > > just plain old bad at what they do in my opinion. there's always too > > much crap on there you dont need. > > > > tom > > -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
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I've also played on a UREI back in '03 and the experience was fantastic. Its one of the few times I raved about the mixer afterward. I'm use to playing on mixer that was once nice but its better days have long since past. The funny thing about that event was that Carl Craig was running late, so ppl kept assuming I was him, asking for pictures and what not. I had to explain about a dozen times that I was just another black dj from a depressed industrial town, with a better football team of course. Go Steelers! jw On 10/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Played on an original UREI at a club once, but as mentioned, the lack of > EQ > > was daft. > > the reason that Urei didn't put EQs on their mixers until recently is > because > they made their mixers to do one thing very very well and they sound > amazing > > it resulted in a very clean and uncluttered board > you then were encouraged to add on a high quality EQ to match the quality > of the Urei mixer > > If you match the quality in everything from the mixer to your output > speakers and everything behind the mixers you get a phenomenal sound > problem is people don't understand that and they think the more crap they > pile onto a mixer the better they will be at DJing (ooh flnge!) > > Urei mixers are probably the best I've ever heard (but then again, if you > stick a Urei into a 2nd/3rd rate system you're not going to hear it anyway) > > MEK > > -- Technoir Audio http://www.technoiraudio.com "dealing with your imperfect world"
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ever try switching the gifts? ;-) MEK "rob theakston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 10/24/2007 10:14:30 AM: > hey now, > > yeah. i've been lurking. mainly i use 313 to stalk shake and pipetom. > shake stopped responding to my strip tease videos on youtube and tom > keeps returning all my flowers and candy. it's the only way i know how > to get through to them. > > > On 10/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > LOL > > Welcome back Rob! You been lurking all this time? > > > > MEK > > > > "rob theakston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 10/24/2007 08:43:41 AM: > > > > > I have a custom made mixer forged from the steel of King Arthur's > > > Excalibur sword and certified awesome by Bea Arthur. Theo played on it > > > once at a gig we did a Burger King and it made him cry like a little > > > girl when he tweaked the EQs. It has patent technology AI that > > > predicts just how far you are going to kill certain ranges and does it > > > before you do. > > > > > > The guys in Optimo own one which they customized with supersonic gain > > > (I called it "Helenkellerification"), custom spoiler and neon lights > > > underneath. It sits on 22s. > > > > > > I almost made a third one for Phred, but he refused to get me the > > > proper amount of Unicorn blood that I needed to make it happen. He was > > > having liberal guilt fits about the slaying of an animal in the name > > > of sound. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/24/07, Paul Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Really!! > > > > > > > > Whats it like to play on?? Are the Eqs any good and are the FXs on > > > > pointless?? > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: 24 October 2007 14:33 > > > > To: Paul Kendrick; Alan Heneghan; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org > > > > Subject: RE: (313) votes > > > > > > > > > > > > So does Corsica Studios > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: 24 October 2007 14:35 > > > > To: Alan Heneghan; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org > > > > Subject: RE: (313) votes > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.funktion-one.com/FF6000.htm > > > > > > > > Al check the link, funktion 1 started re making them. The Panarama Bar > > > > in Berlin has one I think > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Alan Heneghan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: 24 October 2007 14:18 > > > > To: Paul Kendrick; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org > > > > Subject: Re: (313) votes > > > > > > > > I own a A&H 62 and really like the sound of it, but find it a bit > > > > cramped sometimes, but superb at home. > > > > > > > > I'm also a big fan of the Formula Sound PM80 (a mixer that has been out > > > > of production for over 10 years, very popular with sound engineers) and > > > > Ecler SCLAT100. > > > > Both, 19" rack mounted, super clean signal path, no effects, tank like > > > > workhorses. > > > > Played on an original UREI at a club once, but as mentioned, the lack > > of > > > > EQ was daft. > > > > > > > > So out of the choices given, 62. > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan Heneghan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Paul Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:17:12 +0100 > > > > > To: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > <313@hyperreal.org> > > > > > Conversation: (313) votes > > > > > Subject: RE: (313) votes > > > > > > > > > > I agree with Tom on this every mixer has unnecessary features and > > lots > > > > > > > > > are badly laid out, gains on the back is just silly. I am still to > > > > > find the perfect mixer.. > > > > > > > > > > Im currently using this, vestax PMC-CX > > > > > > > > > > http://www.vestax.com/v/products/mixers/pmc-cx.html > > > > > > > > > > Not the best, EQ could be better and the filters are pointless I > > don't > > > > > > > > > think mixers should have FX like this. It just annoys me when you > > hear > > > > > > > > > people using them all the time to cover there bad mixing.if you > > > > > want FX buy a separate unit > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Sent: 24 October 2007 12:58 > > > > > To: 313@hyperreal.org > > > > > Subject: Re: (313) votes > > > > > > > > > > On 10/24/07, Alan Heneghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >> Gains on the back are to stop IDIOT DJs turning them up and > > > > >> destroying > > > > > > > > > >> sound systems. > > > > > > > > > > so people who play 70's LP cuts next to 00's 12" cuts have to pay the > > > > > price for morons? wrong answer. that mixer with the gains on the back > > > > > is the biggest pile of sh*t ive ever used in my entire life. > > > > > > > > > > that said, i dont like any of the popular mixers. ive played on a&hs, > > > > > vestaxes, numarks, eclers, ranes, etc. not one of them has ever made > > > > > me feel like
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hey now, yeah. i've been lurking. mainly i use 313 to stalk shake and pipetom. shake stopped responding to my strip tease videos on youtube and tom keeps returning all my flowers and candy. it's the only way i know how to get through to them. On 10/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > LOL > Welcome back Rob! You been lurking all this time? > > MEK > > "rob theakston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 10/24/2007 08:43:41 AM: > > > I have a custom made mixer forged from the steel of King Arthur's > > Excalibur sword and certified awesome by Bea Arthur. Theo played on it > > once at a gig we did a Burger King and it made him cry like a little > > girl when he tweaked the EQs. It has patent technology AI that > > predicts just how far you are going to kill certain ranges and does it > > before you do. > > > > The guys in Optimo own one which they customized with supersonic gain > > (I called it "Helenkellerification"), custom spoiler and neon lights > > underneath. It sits on 22s. > > > > I almost made a third one for Phred, but he refused to get me the > > proper amount of Unicorn blood that I needed to make it happen. He was > > having liberal guilt fits about the slaying of an animal in the name > > of sound. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/24/07, Paul Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Really!! > > > > > > Whats it like to play on?? Are the Eqs any good and are the FXs on > > > pointless?? > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: 24 October 2007 14:33 > > > To: Paul Kendrick; Alan Heneghan; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org > > > Subject: RE: (313) votes > > > > > > > > > So does Corsica Studios > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: 24 October 2007 14:35 > > > To: Alan Heneghan; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org > > > Subject: RE: (313) votes > > > > > > > > > http://www.funktion-one.com/FF6000.htm > > > > > > Al check the link, funktion 1 started re making them. The Panarama Bar > > > in Berlin has one I think > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Alan Heneghan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: 24 October 2007 14:18 > > > To: Paul Kendrick; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org > > > Subject: Re: (313) votes > > > > > > I own a A&H 62 and really like the sound of it, but find it a bit > > > cramped sometimes, but superb at home. > > > > > > I'm also a big fan of the Formula Sound PM80 (a mixer that has been out > > > of production for over 10 years, very popular with sound engineers) and > > > Ecler SCLAT100. > > > Both, 19" rack mounted, super clean signal path, no effects, tank like > > > workhorses. > > > Played on an original UREI at a club once, but as mentioned, the lack > of > > > EQ was daft. > > > > > > So out of the choices given, 62. > > > > > > > > > Alan Heneghan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Paul Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:17:12 +0100 > > > > To: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > <313@hyperreal.org> > > > > Conversation: (313) votes > > > > Subject: RE: (313) votes > > > > > > > > I agree with Tom on this every mixer has unnecessary features and > lots > > > > > > > are badly laid out, gains on the back is just silly. I am still to > > > > find the perfect mixer.. > > > > > > > > Im currently using this, vestax PMC-CX > > > > > > > > http://www.vestax.com/v/products/mixers/pmc-cx.html > > > > > > > > Not the best, EQ could be better and the filters are pointless I > don't > > > > > > > think mixers should have FX like this. It just annoys me when you > hear > > > > > > > people using them all the time to cover there bad mixing.if you > > > > want FX buy a separate unit > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: 24 October 2007 12:58 > > > > To: 313@hyperreal.org > > > > Subject: Re: (313) votes > > > > > > > > On 10/24/07, Alan Heneghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Gains on the back are to stop IDIOT DJs turning them up and > > > >> destroying > > > > > > > >> sound systems. > > > > > > > > so people who play 70's LP cuts next to 00's 12" cuts have to pay the > > > > price for morons? wrong answer. that mixer with the gains on the back > > > > is the biggest pile of sh*t ive ever used in my entire life. > > > > > > > > that said, i dont like any of the popular mixers. ive played on a&hs, > > > > vestaxes, numarks, eclers, ranes, etc. not one of them has ever made > > > > me feel like i needed to go out and buy one. that said, ive never > > > > messed with a classic rotary mixer either, but they dont have built > in > > > > > > > EQs which is also stupid. the people who make and design mixers are > > > > just plain old bad at what they do in my opinion. there's always too > > > > much crap on there you dont need. > > > > > > > > tom > > > > > > For all the lat
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I let my bread maker do my mixing for me. MEK Guilherme Menegon Arantes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 10/24/2007 09:49:38 AM: > On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 01:57:21PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > can I have your votes pls..? > > > > Allen & Heath 62 > > Allen & Heath 92 > > Pioneer DJM 800 > > I'm impressed ppl still buy analog mixers nowadays. :-p > > G > > -- > > Guilherme Menegon Arantes, PhD São Paulo, Brasil > __ >
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LOL Welcome back Rob! You been lurking all this time? MEK "rob theakston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 10/24/2007 08:43:41 AM: > I have a custom made mixer forged from the steel of King Arthur's > Excalibur sword and certified awesome by Bea Arthur. Theo played on it > once at a gig we did a Burger King and it made him cry like a little > girl when he tweaked the EQs. It has patent technology AI that > predicts just how far you are going to kill certain ranges and does it > before you do. > > The guys in Optimo own one which they customized with supersonic gain > (I called it "Helenkellerification"), custom spoiler and neon lights > underneath. It sits on 22s. > > I almost made a third one for Phred, but he refused to get me the > proper amount of Unicorn blood that I needed to make it happen. He was > having liberal guilt fits about the slaying of an animal in the name > of sound. > > > > > > On 10/24/07, Paul Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Really!! > > > > Whats it like to play on?? Are the Eqs any good and are the FXs on > > pointless?? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 24 October 2007 14:33 > > To: Paul Kendrick; Alan Heneghan; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org > > Subject: RE: (313) votes > > > > > > So does Corsica Studios > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 24 October 2007 14:35 > > To: Alan Heneghan; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org > > Subject: RE: (313) votes > > > > > > http://www.funktion-one.com/FF6000.htm > > > > Al check the link, funktion 1 started re making them. The Panarama Bar > > in Berlin has one I think > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Alan Heneghan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 24 October 2007 14:18 > > To: Paul Kendrick; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org > > Subject: Re: (313) votes > > > > I own a A&H 62 and really like the sound of it, but find it a bit > > cramped sometimes, but superb at home. > > > > I'm also a big fan of the Formula Sound PM80 (a mixer that has been out > > of production for over 10 years, very popular with sound engineers) and > > Ecler SCLAT100. > > Both, 19" rack mounted, super clean signal path, no effects, tank like > > workhorses. > > Played on an original UREI at a club once, but as mentioned, the lack of > > EQ was daft. > > > > So out of the choices given, 62. > > > > > > Alan Heneghan > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Paul Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:17:12 +0100 > > > To: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <313@hyperreal.org> > > > Conversation: (313) votes > > > Subject: RE: (313) votes > > > > > > I agree with Tom on this every mixer has unnecessary features and lots > > > > > are badly laid out, gains on the back is just silly. I am still to > > > find the perfect mixer.. > > > > > > Im currently using this, vestax PMC-CX > > > > > > http://www.vestax.com/v/products/mixers/pmc-cx.html > > > > > > Not the best, EQ could be better and the filters are pointless I don't > > > > > think mixers should have FX like this. It just annoys me when you hear > > > > > people using them all the time to cover there bad mixing.if you > > > want FX buy a separate unit > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: 24 October 2007 12:58 > > > To: 313@hyperreal.org > > > Subject: Re: (313) votes > > > > > > On 10/24/07, Alan Heneghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Gains on the back are to stop IDIOT DJs turning them up and > > >> destroying > > > > > >> sound systems. > > > > > > so people who play 70's LP cuts next to 00's 12" cuts have to pay the > > > price for morons? wrong answer. that mixer with the gains on the back > > > is the biggest pile of sh*t ive ever used in my entire life. > > > > > > that said, i dont like any of the popular mixers. ive played on a&hs, > > > vestaxes, numarks, eclers, ranes, etc. not one of them has ever made > > > me feel like i needed to go out and buy one. that said, ive never > > > messed with a classic rotary mixer either, but they dont have built in > > > > > EQs which is also stupid. the people who make and design mixers are > > > just plain old bad at what they do in my opinion. there's always too > > > much crap on there you dont need. > > > > > > tom > > > > For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This > > message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, > > confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any > > unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of > > this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you > > are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming > > and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded > > for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and > > informati
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> Played on an original UREI at a club once, but as mentioned, the lack of EQ > was daft. the reason that Urei didn't put EQs on their mixers until recently is because they made their mixers to do one thing very very well and they sound amazing it resulted in a very clean and uncluttered board you then were encouraged to add on a high quality EQ to match the quality of the Urei mixer If you match the quality in everything from the mixer to your output speakers and everything behind the mixers you get a phenomenal sound problem is people don't understand that and they think the more crap they pile onto a mixer the better they will be at DJing (ooh flnge!) Urei mixers are probably the best I've ever heard (but then again, if you stick a Urei into a 2nd/3rd rate system you're not going to hear it anyway) MEK
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On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 01:57:21PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > can I have your votes pls..? > > Allen & Heath 62 > Allen & Heath 92 > Pioneer DJM 800 I'm impressed ppl still buy analog mixers nowadays. :-p G -- Guilherme Menegon Arantes, PhD São Paulo, Brasil __
RE: (313) Awakenings Detroit Weekend Sets Online
Videos from DJ Bone's Awakenings set posted on his site: www.dj-bone.com shameless plug: DJ BONE ... ATTACKS!!! www.7mzdt.com/subjectdetroit, just posted a video from his recent visit in Cork (thanks Shelly) - video about 19min, 356MB - takes a while to load but worth viewing. enjoy! A > Listened to the Bone mix at the weekend at it was very good, great mixing & > selection. No doubt. I have heard Bone spin many, many times and am always impressed. It doesn't matter if he is playing to two or two thousand people, he ALWAYS brings it. Respect. _ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook together at last. Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL10062697 1033
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Hey Mr. Ambient Dub Guitar Techno Guy, Shut up. Had you asked to borrow the mixer, I gladly would have let you. Heck, I could have made you one at the time because there was a surplus of Unicorn's blood at the Eastern Market. But no, you were off spatting on about some damn thing called Ableton at the time and I couldn't get you to listen. And Ken, both of you are wrong. It was at an Arby's. Two weeks later I found a rancid curly fry with horsey sauce stuck to a Roberta Flack record cover. I dared Theorem to eat it, but it didn't have enough delay on it.
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rob theakston wrote: I have a custom made mixer forged from the steel of King Arthur's Excalibur sword and certified awesome by Bea Arthur. Theo played on it once at a gig we did a Burger King and it made him cry like a little girl when he tweaked the EQs. It has patent technology AI that predicts just how far you are going to kill certain ranges and does it before you do. How come you never let me mix on that? Jerk. bvl -- bill van loo & j. schnable - raindays - now released! http://www.chromedecay.org/releases/cd004/ http://www.chromedecay.org || http://www.billvanloo.com
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HEY SHAKE WHAT KIND OF MIXER DO YOU USE?
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It was at MacDonalds, by the way. -Original Message- From: rob theakston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 October 2007 14:44 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) votes I have a custom made mixer forged from the steel of King Arthur's Excalibur sword and certified awesome by Bea Arthur. Theo played on it once at a gig we did a Burger King and it made him cry like a little girl when he tweaked the EQs. It has patent technology AI that predicts just how far you are going to kill certain ranges and does it before you do. The guys in Optimo own one which they customized with supersonic gain (I called it "Helenkellerification"), custom spoiler and neon lights underneath. It sits on 22s. I almost made a third one for Phred, but he refused to get me the proper amount of Unicorn blood that I needed to make it happen. He was having liberal guilt fits about the slaying of an animal in the name of sound. On 10/24/07, Paul Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Really!! > > Whats it like to play on?? Are the Eqs any good and are the FXs on > pointless?? > > -Original Message- > From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 24 October 2007 14:33 > To: Paul Kendrick; Alan Heneghan; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; > 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: (313) votes > > > So does Corsica Studios > > > -Original Message- > From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 24 October 2007 14:35 > To: Alan Heneghan; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: (313) votes > > > http://www.funktion-one.com/FF6000.htm > > Al check the link, funktion 1 started re making them. The Panarama Bar > in Berlin has one I think > > -Original Message- > From: Alan Heneghan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 24 October 2007 14:18 > To: Paul Kendrick; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (313) votes > > I own a A&H 62 and really like the sound of it, but find it a bit > cramped sometimes, but superb at home. > > I'm also a big fan of the Formula Sound PM80 (a mixer that has been > out of production for over 10 years, very popular with sound > engineers) and Ecler SCLAT100. Both, 19" rack mounted, super clean > signal path, no effects, tank like workhorses. > Played on an original UREI at a club once, but as mentioned, the lack of > EQ was daft. > > So out of the choices given, 62. > > > Alan Heneghan > > > > > > > From: Paul Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:17:12 +0100 > > To: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > <313@hyperreal.org> > > Conversation: (313) votes > > Subject: RE: (313) votes > > > > I agree with Tom on this every mixer has unnecessary features and > > lots > > > are badly laid out, gains on the back is just silly. I am still to > > find the perfect mixer.. > > > > Im currently using this, vestax PMC-CX > > > > http://www.vestax.com/v/products/mixers/pmc-cx.html > > > > Not the best, EQ could be better and the filters are pointless I > > don't > > > think mixers should have FX like this. It just annoys me when you > > hear > > > people using them all the time to cover there bad mixing.if you > > want FX buy a separate unit > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 24 October 2007 12:58 > > To: 313@hyperreal.org > > Subject: Re: (313) votes > > > > On 10/24/07, Alan Heneghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Gains on the back are to stop IDIOT DJs turning them up and > >> destroying > > > >> sound systems. > > > > so people who play 70's LP cuts next to 00's 12" cuts have to pay > > the price for morons? wrong answer. that mixer with the gains on the > > back is the biggest pile of sh*t ive ever used in my entire life. > > > > that said, i dont like any of the popular mixers. ive played on > > a&hs, vestaxes, numarks, eclers, ranes, etc. not one of them has > > ever made me feel like i needed to go out and buy one. that said, > > ive never messed with a classic rotary mixer either, but they dont > > have built in > > > EQs which is also stupid. the people who make and design mixers are > > just plain old bad at what they do in my opinion. there's always too > > much crap on there you dont need. > > > > tom > > For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This > message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, > confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any > unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of > this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If > you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. > Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored > or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for > confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a > limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company > number 451593). Our registered office a
Re: (313) votes
On 10/24/07, Joel Gajewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > PS Not to side track this thread, but does anyone else find it amusing that > all those > craptastic prog dj's jumped onto the mnml bandwagon? i find it not surprising, all the aesthetics and style are the same: fashion, unfunkiness, drugs, etc. tom
Re: (313) votes
I get to play on the 800 at our monthly and I really like, far superior to Pioneer's previous mixers. I am not really a fan of A&H stuff, it just seems to be designed for dj's that like to slow bleed every mix and reminds me of when this town was into "prog" because all the guys pushing that sound claimed that the A&H mixers were too much for other dj's to handle. It didn't matter if it was 10 or 2, it was just the same stuff being played for 4 hours. Ugh, so glad that fad had passed. Just my .02 PS Not to side track this thread, but does anyone else find it amusing that all those craptastic prog dj's jumped onto the mnml bandwagon? - Original Message From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 6:57:21 AM Subject: (313) votes can I have your votes pls..? Allen & Heath 62 Allen & Heath 92 Pioneer DJM 800 ?
Re: (313) votes
I have a custom made mixer forged from the steel of King Arthur's Excalibur sword and certified awesome by Bea Arthur. Theo played on it once at a gig we did a Burger King and it made him cry like a little girl when he tweaked the EQs. It has patent technology AI that predicts just how far you are going to kill certain ranges and does it before you do. The guys in Optimo own one which they customized with supersonic gain (I called it "Helenkellerification"), custom spoiler and neon lights underneath. It sits on 22s. I almost made a third one for Phred, but he refused to get me the proper amount of Unicorn blood that I needed to make it happen. He was having liberal guilt fits about the slaying of an animal in the name of sound. On 10/24/07, Paul Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Really!! > > Whats it like to play on?? Are the Eqs any good and are the FXs on > pointless?? > > -Original Message- > From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 24 October 2007 14:33 > To: Paul Kendrick; Alan Heneghan; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: (313) votes > > > So does Corsica Studios > > > -Original Message- > From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 24 October 2007 14:35 > To: Alan Heneghan; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: (313) votes > > > http://www.funktion-one.com/FF6000.htm > > Al check the link, funktion 1 started re making them. The Panarama Bar > in Berlin has one I think > > -Original Message- > From: Alan Heneghan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 24 October 2007 14:18 > To: Paul Kendrick; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (313) votes > > I own a A&H 62 and really like the sound of it, but find it a bit > cramped sometimes, but superb at home. > > I'm also a big fan of the Formula Sound PM80 (a mixer that has been out > of production for over 10 years, very popular with sound engineers) and > Ecler SCLAT100. > Both, 19" rack mounted, super clean signal path, no effects, tank like > workhorses. > Played on an original UREI at a club once, but as mentioned, the lack of > EQ was daft. > > So out of the choices given, 62. > > > Alan Heneghan > > > > > > > From: Paul Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:17:12 +0100 > > To: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <313@hyperreal.org> > > Conversation: (313) votes > > Subject: RE: (313) votes > > > > I agree with Tom on this every mixer has unnecessary features and lots > > > are badly laid out, gains on the back is just silly. I am still to > > find the perfect mixer.. > > > > Im currently using this, vestax PMC-CX > > > > http://www.vestax.com/v/products/mixers/pmc-cx.html > > > > Not the best, EQ could be better and the filters are pointless I don't > > > think mixers should have FX like this. It just annoys me when you hear > > > people using them all the time to cover there bad mixing.if you > > want FX buy a separate unit > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 24 October 2007 12:58 > > To: 313@hyperreal.org > > Subject: Re: (313) votes > > > > On 10/24/07, Alan Heneghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Gains on the back are to stop IDIOT DJs turning them up and > >> destroying > > > >> sound systems. > > > > so people who play 70's LP cuts next to 00's 12" cuts have to pay the > > price for morons? wrong answer. that mixer with the gains on the back > > is the biggest pile of sh*t ive ever used in my entire life. > > > > that said, i dont like any of the popular mixers. ive played on a&hs, > > vestaxes, numarks, eclers, ranes, etc. not one of them has ever made > > me feel like i needed to go out and buy one. that said, ive never > > messed with a classic rotary mixer either, but they dont have built in > > > EQs which is also stupid. the people who make and design mixers are > > just plain old bad at what they do in my opinion. there's always too > > much crap on there you dont need. > > > > tom > > For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This > message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, > confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any > unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of > this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you > are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming > and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded > for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and > information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability > company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our > registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W > 0DT. > > >
RE: (313) votes
I dunno, Tristan's the person to speak to on that. -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 October 2007 14:39 To: Toby Frith; Alan Heneghan; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) votes Really!! Whats it like to play on?? Are the Eqs any good and are the FXs on pointless?? -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 October 2007 14:33 To: Paul Kendrick; Alan Heneghan; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) votes So does Corsica Studios -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 October 2007 14:35 To: Alan Heneghan; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) votes http://www.funktion-one.com/FF6000.htm Al check the link, funktion 1 started re making them. The Panarama Bar in Berlin has one I think -Original Message- From: Alan Heneghan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 October 2007 14:18 To: Paul Kendrick; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) votes I own a A&H 62 and really like the sound of it, but find it a bit cramped sometimes, but superb at home. I'm also a big fan of the Formula Sound PM80 (a mixer that has been out of production for over 10 years, very popular with sound engineers) and Ecler SCLAT100. Both, 19" rack mounted, super clean signal path, no effects, tank like workhorses. Played on an original UREI at a club once, but as mentioned, the lack of EQ was daft. So out of the choices given, 62. Alan Heneghan > From: Paul Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:17:12 +0100 > To: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <313@hyperreal.org> > Conversation: (313) votes > Subject: RE: (313) votes > > I agree with Tom on this every mixer has unnecessary features and lots > are badly laid out, gains on the back is just silly. I am still to > find the perfect mixer.. > > Im currently using this, vestax PMC-CX > > http://www.vestax.com/v/products/mixers/pmc-cx.html > > Not the best, EQ could be better and the filters are pointless I don't > think mixers should have FX like this. It just annoys me when you hear > people using them all the time to cover there bad mixing.if you > want FX buy a separate unit > > -Original Message- > From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 24 October 2007 12:58 > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (313) votes > > On 10/24/07, Alan Heneghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Gains on the back are to stop IDIOT DJs turning them up and >> destroying > >> sound systems. > > so people who play 70's LP cuts next to 00's 12" cuts have to pay the > price for morons? wrong answer. that mixer with the gains on the back > is the biggest pile of sh*t ive ever used in my entire life. > > that said, i dont like any of the popular mixers. ive played on a&hs, > vestaxes, numarks, eclers, ranes, etc. not one of them has ever made > me feel like i needed to go out and buy one. that said, ive never > messed with a classic rotary mixer either, but they dont have built in > EQs which is also stupid. the people who make and design mixers are > just plain old bad at what they do in my opinion. there's always too > much crap on there you dont need. > > tom For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT.
RE: (313) votes
Really!! Whats it like to play on?? Are the Eqs any good and are the FXs on pointless?? -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 October 2007 14:33 To: Paul Kendrick; Alan Heneghan; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) votes So does Corsica Studios -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 October 2007 14:35 To: Alan Heneghan; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) votes http://www.funktion-one.com/FF6000.htm Al check the link, funktion 1 started re making them. The Panarama Bar in Berlin has one I think -Original Message- From: Alan Heneghan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 October 2007 14:18 To: Paul Kendrick; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) votes I own a A&H 62 and really like the sound of it, but find it a bit cramped sometimes, but superb at home. I'm also a big fan of the Formula Sound PM80 (a mixer that has been out of production for over 10 years, very popular with sound engineers) and Ecler SCLAT100. Both, 19" rack mounted, super clean signal path, no effects, tank like workhorses. Played on an original UREI at a club once, but as mentioned, the lack of EQ was daft. So out of the choices given, 62. Alan Heneghan > From: Paul Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:17:12 +0100 > To: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <313@hyperreal.org> > Conversation: (313) votes > Subject: RE: (313) votes > > I agree with Tom on this every mixer has unnecessary features and lots > are badly laid out, gains on the back is just silly. I am still to > find the perfect mixer.. > > Im currently using this, vestax PMC-CX > > http://www.vestax.com/v/products/mixers/pmc-cx.html > > Not the best, EQ could be better and the filters are pointless I don't > think mixers should have FX like this. It just annoys me when you hear > people using them all the time to cover there bad mixing.if you > want FX buy a separate unit > > -Original Message- > From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 24 October 2007 12:58 > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (313) votes > > On 10/24/07, Alan Heneghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Gains on the back are to stop IDIOT DJs turning them up and >> destroying > >> sound systems. > > so people who play 70's LP cuts next to 00's 12" cuts have to pay the > price for morons? wrong answer. that mixer with the gains on the back > is the biggest pile of sh*t ive ever used in my entire life. > > that said, i dont like any of the popular mixers. ive played on a&hs, > vestaxes, numarks, eclers, ranes, etc. not one of them has ever made > me feel like i needed to go out and buy one. that said, ive never > messed with a classic rotary mixer either, but they dont have built in > EQs which is also stupid. the people who make and design mixers are > just plain old bad at what they do in my opinion. there's always too > much crap on there you dont need. > > tom For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT.
RE: (313) votes
So does Corsica Studios -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 October 2007 14:35 To: Alan Heneghan; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) votes http://www.funktion-one.com/FF6000.htm Al check the link, funktion 1 started re making them. The Panarama Bar in Berlin has one I think -Original Message- From: Alan Heneghan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 October 2007 14:18 To: Paul Kendrick; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) votes I own a A&H 62 and really like the sound of it, but find it a bit cramped sometimes, but superb at home. I'm also a big fan of the Formula Sound PM80 (a mixer that has been out of production for over 10 years, very popular with sound engineers) and Ecler SCLAT100. Both, 19" rack mounted, super clean signal path, no effects, tank like workhorses. Played on an original UREI at a club once, but as mentioned, the lack of EQ was daft. So out of the choices given, 62. Alan Heneghan > From: Paul Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:17:12 +0100 > To: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <313@hyperreal.org> > Conversation: (313) votes > Subject: RE: (313) votes > > I agree with Tom on this every mixer has unnecessary features and lots > are badly laid out, gains on the back is just silly. I am still to > find the perfect mixer.. > > Im currently using this, vestax PMC-CX > > http://www.vestax.com/v/products/mixers/pmc-cx.html > > Not the best, EQ could be better and the filters are pointless I don't > think mixers should have FX like this. It just annoys me when you hear > people using them all the time to cover there bad mixing.if you > want FX buy a separate unit > > -Original Message- > From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 24 October 2007 12:58 > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (313) votes > > On 10/24/07, Alan Heneghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Gains on the back are to stop IDIOT DJs turning them up and >> destroying > >> sound systems. > > so people who play 70's LP cuts next to 00's 12" cuts have to pay the > price for morons? wrong answer. that mixer with the gains on the back > is the biggest pile of sh*t ive ever used in my entire life. > > that said, i dont like any of the popular mixers. ive played on a&hs, > vestaxes, numarks, eclers, ranes, etc. not one of them has ever made > me feel like i needed to go out and buy one. that said, ive never > messed with a classic rotary mixer either, but they dont have built in > EQs which is also stupid. the people who make and design mixers are > just plain old bad at what they do in my opinion. there's always too > much crap on there you dont need. > > tom For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT.
RE: (313) votes
http://www.funktion-one.com/FF6000.htm Al check the link, funktion 1 started re making them. The Panarama Bar in Berlin has one I think -Original Message- From: Alan Heneghan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 October 2007 14:18 To: Paul Kendrick; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) votes I own a A&H 62 and really like the sound of it, but find it a bit cramped sometimes, but superb at home. I'm also a big fan of the Formula Sound PM80 (a mixer that has been out of production for over 10 years, very popular with sound engineers) and Ecler SCLAT100. Both, 19" rack mounted, super clean signal path, no effects, tank like workhorses. Played on an original UREI at a club once, but as mentioned, the lack of EQ was daft. So out of the choices given, 62. Alan Heneghan > From: Paul Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:17:12 +0100 > To: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <313@hyperreal.org> > Conversation: (313) votes > Subject: RE: (313) votes > > I agree with Tom on this every mixer has unnecessary features and lots > are badly laid out, gains on the back is just silly. I am still to > find the perfect mixer.. > > Im currently using this, vestax PMC-CX > > http://www.vestax.com/v/products/mixers/pmc-cx.html > > Not the best, EQ could be better and the filters are pointless I don't > think mixers should have FX like this. It just annoys me when you hear > people using them all the time to cover there bad mixing.if you > want FX buy a separate unit > > -Original Message- > From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 24 October 2007 12:58 > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (313) votes > > On 10/24/07, Alan Heneghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Gains on the back are to stop IDIOT DJs turning them up and >> destroying > >> sound systems. > > so people who play 70's LP cuts next to 00's 12" cuts have to pay the > price for morons? wrong answer. that mixer with the gains on the back > is the biggest pile of sh*t ive ever used in my entire life. > > that said, i dont like any of the popular mixers. ive played on a&hs, > vestaxes, numarks, eclers, ranes, etc. not one of them has ever made > me feel like i needed to go out and buy one. that said, ive never > messed with a classic rotary mixer either, but they dont have built in > EQs which is also stupid. the people who make and design mixers are > just plain old bad at what they do in my opinion. there's always too > much crap on there you dont need. > > tom
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On 10/24/07, Odeluga, Ken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mixer-snobbery is anathema to me as well Tom (even though in my case, I > do sort of like the A&H's a lot, Vestax's a bit, maybe one or two other > difficult-to-afford makes as well!) But what mixer do you actually use > Tom? Curious. hahaha, i use this guy: http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/hollywooddj_1968_553758294 i got that about 10 years ago for about $120 or something brand new. the cross fader quit working long ago, but i quit using a crossfader for mixing even before it went out. even that crappy thing has too much nonsense on it: kill switches, transform buttons, etc. i just cant be bothered to pay money to upgrade when it just doesnt make any difference to me, the money is better spent on more records! i'll bang it out on a radio shack mixer with a notch in the middle of the cross fader and no EQs at all if i have to! tom
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I have got to say that the Pioneers' FX are excellent and well integrated. In fact, their mixers which I've used are fabulous for Techno-style DJing (i.e. heavy-handed FX & EQ use). Way better than A&H. I always felt that the A&H user interface affords the DJ to put too much thought into the mixing. As long as you don't overload the inputs, pretty much any mixer is transparent enough. I'm happy to use my 3-channel, 3-band Numark. It really doesn't color the sound in any meaningful way, and the fader curves feel natural enough. But I definitely agree with tom, that gains should be accessible and give you plenty of gain for playing your older records that were pressed at like -24 relative to today's music. -Gil - Original Message From: Paul Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:17:12 AM Subject: RE: (313) votes Not the best, EQ could be better and the filters are pointless I don't think mixers should have FX like this. It just annoys me when you hear people using them all the time to cover there bad mixing.if you want FX buy a separate unit -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 October 2007 12:58 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) votes On 10/24/07, Alan Heneghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gains on the back are to stop IDIOT DJs turning them up and destroying > sound systems. so people who play 70's LP cuts next to 00's 12" cuts have to pay the price for morons? wrong answer. that mixer with the gains on the back is the biggest pile of sh*t ive ever used in my entire life. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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I own a A&H 62 and really like the sound of it, but find it a bit cramped sometimes, but superb at home. I'm also a big fan of the Formula Sound PM80 (a mixer that has been out of production for over 10 years, very popular with sound engineers) and Ecler SCLAT100. Both, 19" rack mounted, super clean signal path, no effects, tank like workhorses. Played on an original UREI at a club once, but as mentioned, the lack of EQ was daft. So out of the choices given, 62. Alan Heneghan > From: Paul Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:17:12 +0100 > To: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <313@hyperreal.org> > Conversation: (313) votes > Subject: RE: (313) votes > > I agree with Tom on this every mixer has unnecessary features and lots > are badly laid out, gains on the back is just silly. I am still to find > the perfect mixer.. > > Im currently using this, vestax PMC-CX > > http://www.vestax.com/v/products/mixers/pmc-cx.html > > Not the best, EQ could be better and the filters are pointless I don't > think mixers should have FX like this. It just annoys me when you hear > people using them all the time to cover there bad mixing.if you want > FX buy a separate unit > > -Original Message- > From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 24 October 2007 12:58 > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (313) votes > > On 10/24/07, Alan Heneghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Gains on the back are to stop IDIOT DJs turning them up and destroying > >> sound systems. > > so people who play 70's LP cuts next to 00's 12" cuts have to pay the > price for morons? wrong answer. that mixer with the gains on the back is > the biggest pile of sh*t ive ever used in my entire life. > > that said, i dont like any of the popular mixers. ive played on a&hs, > vestaxes, numarks, eclers, ranes, etc. not one of them has ever made me > feel like i needed to go out and buy one. that said, ive never messed > with a classic rotary mixer either, but they dont have built in EQs > which is also stupid. the people who make and design mixers are just > plain old bad at what they do in my opinion. there's always too much > crap on there you dont need. > > tom
RE: (313) votes
Mixer-snobbery is anathema to me as well Tom (even though in my case, I do sort of like the A&H's a lot, Vestax's a bit, maybe one or two other difficult-to-afford makes as well!) But what mixer do you actually use Tom? Curious. -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 October 2007 12:58 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) votes On 10/24/07, Alan Heneghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gains on the back are to stop IDIOT DJs turning them up and destroying > sound systems. so people who play 70's LP cuts next to 00's 12" cuts have to pay the price for morons? wrong answer. that mixer with the gains on the back is the biggest pile of sh*t ive ever used in my entire life. that said, i dont like any of the popular mixers. ive played on a&hs, vestaxes, numarks, eclers, ranes, etc. not one of them has ever made me feel like i needed to go out and buy one. that said, ive never messed with a classic rotary mixer either, but they dont have built in EQs which is also stupid. the people who make and design mixers are just plain old bad at what they do in my opinion. there's always too much crap on there you dont need. tom
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I agree with Tom on this every mixer has unnecessary features and lots are badly laid out, gains on the back is just silly. I am still to find the perfect mixer.. Im currently using this, vestax PMC-CX http://www.vestax.com/v/products/mixers/pmc-cx.html Not the best, EQ could be better and the filters are pointless I don't think mixers should have FX like this. It just annoys me when you hear people using them all the time to cover there bad mixing.if you want FX buy a separate unit -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 October 2007 12:58 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) votes On 10/24/07, Alan Heneghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gains on the back are to stop IDIOT DJs turning them up and destroying > sound systems. so people who play 70's LP cuts next to 00's 12" cuts have to pay the price for morons? wrong answer. that mixer with the gains on the back is the biggest pile of sh*t ive ever used in my entire life. that said, i dont like any of the popular mixers. ive played on a&hs, vestaxes, numarks, eclers, ranes, etc. not one of them has ever made me feel like i needed to go out and buy one. that said, ive never messed with a classic rotary mixer either, but they dont have built in EQs which is also stupid. the people who make and design mixers are just plain old bad at what they do in my opinion. there's always too much crap on there you dont need. tom
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On 10/24/07, Alan Heneghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gains on the back are to stop IDIOT DJs turning them up and destroying sound > systems. so people who play 70's LP cuts next to 00's 12" cuts have to pay the price for morons? wrong answer. that mixer with the gains on the back is the biggest pile of sh*t ive ever used in my entire life. that said, i dont like any of the popular mixers. ive played on a&hs, vestaxes, numarks, eclers, ranes, etc. not one of them has ever made me feel like i needed to go out and buy one. that said, ive never messed with a classic rotary mixer either, but they dont have built in EQs which is also stupid. the people who make and design mixers are just plain old bad at what they do in my opinion. there's always too much crap on there you dont need. tom
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but does crappy sound quality destroy sound systems? i'm asking because i don't know. anyway, most of the time the dj isn't an idiot, it's just a matter of bad communication between the sound man and the dj (or NO communication - how often does a sound man reside in the venue especially if it's a club?), and the dj is probably hard of hearing. ;P On 10/24/07, Alan Heneghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You will still be sending a bad signal to the limitier = crap sound quality. > You can get the Pioneers to sound OK, if you know what you are doing and > understand gain structure. > > > > > > > Alan Heneghan > > > > > > From: Frank Glazer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:27:12 -0400 > > To: Alan Heneghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: Simon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, list 313 <313@hyperreal.org> > > Subject: Re: (313) votes > > > > i'm not an audio engineer, nor do i play one on the internet, but > wouldn't > > proper preamp limiting/compression solve this problem just as > well? > > On > > 10/24/07, Alan Heneghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Gains on the > > back are to stop IDIOT DJs turning them up and destroying sound > > > > systems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan Heneghan > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Simon > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:36:48 +1000 > > > To: > > 'list 313' <313@hyperreal.org> > > > Subject: RE: (313) votes > > > > > > Doesn't > > the 32 have the gains on the back so you literally have to blindly > > > reach > > behind the mixer? Completely impractical. > > > > > > For fast and aggressive > > EQing and x/channel fading the Pioneer is far more > > > sturdy than A&H I find. > > For smooth, delicate mixing the 62 wins hands down. > > > This is comparing a > > 600 with a 62. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Benoît Pueyo > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Wednesday, 24 October 2007 6:25 > > AM > > > To: list 313 > > > Subject: Re: (313) votes > > > > > > I have A&H XONE 32. > > Except the fact it has 3 channels, it already beats > > > every pionner I got in > > hands (300,500,600) though i've never tried the 800. > > > > > > Anyways I dont > > think Pioneer have changed thier stupid EQs cutting > > > everything when you > > low too much the bass. A&H are soft, precise, and > > > still have punchy efft. > > Hooray for the filters aswell. > > > > > > So forget Pioneer... Now between 62 and > > 92 I would say 62 becasue its > > > cheaper, and for the extra $$$ 92 doesnt > > bring much more technically > > > talking (except if youre fan of all these > > hawtinesque concetual effects > > > and stuff). > > > -- > > > Benoît. > > > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : > > >> > > >> can I have your votes pls..? > > >> > > > > >> Allen & Heath 62 > > >> Allen & Heath 92 > > >> Pioneer DJM 800 > > >> > > >> ? > > > > >> > > > > > > > -- > peace, > > frank > > dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com > > > -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
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You will still be sending a bad signal to the limitier = crap sound quality. You can get the Pioneers to sound OK, if you know what you are doing and understand gain structure. Alan Heneghan > From: Frank Glazer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:27:12 -0400 > To: Alan Heneghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Simon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, list 313 <313@hyperreal.org> > Subject: Re: (313) votes > > i'm not an audio engineer, nor do i play one on the internet, but wouldn't > proper preamp limiting/compression solve this problem just as well? On > 10/24/07, Alan Heneghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gains on the > back are to stop IDIOT DJs turning them up and destroying sound > > systems. > > > > > > > Alan Heneghan > > > > > > > From: Simon > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:36:48 +1000 > > To: > 'list 313' <313@hyperreal.org> > > Subject: RE: (313) votes > > > > Doesn't > the 32 have the gains on the back so you literally have to blindly > > reach > behind the mixer? Completely impractical. > > > > For fast and aggressive > EQing and x/channel fading the Pioneer is far more > > sturdy than A&H I find. > For smooth, delicate mixing the 62 wins hands down. > > This is comparing a > 600 with a 62. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Benoît Pueyo > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, 24 October 2007 6:25 > AM > > To: list 313 > > Subject: Re: (313) votes > > > > I have A&H XONE 32. > Except the fact it has 3 channels, it already beats > > every pionner I got in > hands (300,500,600) though i've never tried the 800. > > > > Anyways I dont > think Pioneer have changed thier stupid EQs cutting > > everything when you > low too much the bass. A&H are soft, precise, and > > still have punchy efft. > Hooray for the filters aswell. > > > > So forget Pioneer... Now between 62 and > 92 I would say 62 becasue its > > cheaper, and for the extra $$$ 92 doesnt > bring much more technically > > talking (except if youre fan of all these > hawtinesque concetual effects > > and stuff). > > -- > > Benoît. > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : > >> > >> can I have your votes pls..? > >> > > >> Allen & Heath 62 > >> Allen & Heath 92 > >> Pioneer DJM 800 > >> > >> ? > > >> > > -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
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i'm not an audio engineer, nor do i play one on the internet, but wouldn't proper preamp limiting/compression solve this problem just as well? On 10/24/07, Alan Heneghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gains on the back are to stop IDIOT DJs turning them up and destroying sound > systems. > > > > > > > Alan Heneghan > > > > > > > From: Simon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:36:48 +1000 > > To: 'list 313' <313@hyperreal.org> > > Subject: RE: (313) votes > > > > Doesn't the 32 have the gains on the back so you literally have to blindly > > reach behind the mixer? Completely impractical. > > > > For fast and aggressive EQing and x/channel fading the Pioneer is far more > > sturdy than A&H I find. For smooth, delicate mixing the 62 wins hands down. > > This is comparing a 600 with a 62. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Benoît Pueyo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, 24 October 2007 6:25 AM > > To: list 313 > > Subject: Re: (313) votes > > > > I have A&H XONE 32. Except the fact it has 3 channels, it already beats > > every pionner I got in hands (300,500,600) though i've never tried the 800. > > > > Anyways I dont think Pioneer have changed thier stupid EQs cutting > > everything when you low too much the bass. A&H are soft, precise, and > > still have punchy efft. Hooray for the filters aswell. > > > > So forget Pioneer... Now between 62 and 92 I would say 62 becasue its > > cheaper, and for the extra $$$ 92 doesnt bring much more technically > > talking (except if youre fan of all these hawtinesque concetual effects > > and stuff). > > -- > > Benoît. > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : > >> > >> can I have your votes pls..? > >> > >> Allen & Heath 62 > >> Allen & Heath 92 > >> Pioneer DJM 800 > >> > >> ? > >> > > -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
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Alan Heneghan wrote: Gains on the back are to stop IDIOT DJs turning them up and destroying sound systems. Shame that records are pressed at different volumes then really. It's a daft design (though I do sympathise with the thought that most djs don't understand audio engineering). I like, but not love, my xone 62. It's nice and smooth etc but I'm not overly keen on 4 bands for eq. Related to the above it actually likes being overdriven a little (and I'm a real stickler for keeping at 0dB). That said I've never been impressed with any Pioneer mixer quality particularly when it's red lined (which is typically always done by the dj before you). robin...
Re: (313) votes
Gains on the back are to stop IDIOT DJs turning them up and destroying sound systems. Alan Heneghan > From: Simon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:36:48 +1000 > To: 'list 313' <313@hyperreal.org> > Subject: RE: (313) votes > > Doesn't the 32 have the gains on the back so you literally have to blindly > reach behind the mixer? Completely impractical. > > For fast and aggressive EQing and x/channel fading the Pioneer is far more > sturdy than A&H I find. For smooth, delicate mixing the 62 wins hands down. > This is comparing a 600 with a 62. > > -Original Message- > From: Benoît Pueyo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, 24 October 2007 6:25 AM > To: list 313 > Subject: Re: (313) votes > > I have A&H XONE 32. Except the fact it has 3 channels, it already beats > every pionner I got in hands (300,500,600) though i've never tried the 800. > > Anyways I dont think Pioneer have changed thier stupid EQs cutting > everything when you low too much the bass. A&H are soft, precise, and > still have punchy efft. Hooray for the filters aswell. > > So forget Pioneer... Now between 62 and 92 I would say 62 becasue its > cheaper, and for the extra $$$ 92 doesnt bring much more technically > talking (except if youre fan of all these hawtinesque concetual effects > and stuff). > -- > Benoît. > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : >> >> can I have your votes pls..? >> >> Allen & Heath 62 >> Allen & Heath 92 >> Pioneer DJM 800 >> >> ? >>
