(313) Short Rob Hood interview in XLR8R
Short and to the point: http://www.xlr8r.com/features/2008/03/q-robert-hood - Greg
Re: Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?
kent williams wrote: For those of us not currently looking at a Windows computer, please summarize? On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 1:55 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.amazon.com/gp/music/wma-pop-up/B00Y8C001001/ref=mu_sam_wma_001_001 I've always like the way Cannonball explained it (small snip from introduction of "In New York - Cannonball Adderley Sextet") Macs can play it (via the QuickTime Plug-In for Web Browsers) with Flip4Mac. If you use Linux, well ... ;-) Basically, he's saying LA (Hermosa Beach) audiences are hip, and New York audiences are douchebags - they "act like they're supposed to be hip", but aren't. - Greg
Re: (313) Chill Out Rooms
were you reading http://mnmlssg.blogspot.com/2008/04/can-somebody-please-direct-me-to-chill.html earlier today martin? :) i definitely miss them. ambient/downtempo (and not dubstep!) needs to make a comeback. that's why i asked about ambient a few weeks ago on here. On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anyone miss them at events? I do, I'd really love to play a slow long > 3hr set to bend some heads. -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
Re: (313) OT: DEMF 2008 attendance
FYI for bay area peeps Northwest has some $250 flights right now leaving from SFO. The bay area looks to be well represented at the Shorecrest again this year, so watch out. Quoting Fred Heutte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I'm going of course, as is my buddy Mikebee from San Francisco. Though I'm torqued, he got a spot at the Shorecrest before they filled up and I didn't! fh
Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?
>>If what you can create without too much effort on a laptop running reason sounds minimal, then hell, that's gonna be the new music. It's not the tools, anyone can copy or learn to copy the top ten on Beatport - mnml is doing the same thing as Dubstep at the moment, shame really. Ellen's album isn't as strong as the other releases in the series, which surprise me. She also has a new album of tunes that's about to drop. m
(313) Chill Out Rooms
Does anyone miss them at events? I do, I'd really love to play a slow long 3hr set to bend some heads. m
RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?
The thing I have trouble with minimal is that it's not like there's been a movement of people embracing 'minimal' techno, or embracing the music, but more a movement that embraces what can be made by the majority of people with the current software. If what you can create without too much effort on a laptop running reason sounds minimal, then hell, that's gonna be the new music. -Original Message- From: Arturo Lopez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 12:38 PM To: 313 Mailing List Subject: Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? I think I'll give it another listen and see if I feel differently. All that echo-y german at the beginning just sounded entirely too much like one of Miss Kitten's solo albums I didn't like (I Com) and it probably started me off on the wrong foot. As this seems to have transformed into the bi-monthly minimal hate fest I'll throw down as well. This is just like everything else that gets popular, where you have a few exceptional people that did great work and continue to do so, and you've also got every hack producer jumping on that bandwagon putting out terrible tracks (that sell quite nicely). They'll move on to something else when the spotlight moves on to something new, and hopefully the people that did good work will continue to do so. You just have to dig deeper for the quality stuff, that's all. This is just like dubstep; for every "Burial" you get 30 EP's of UK hardcore massive garbage. I guess what I particularly don't like about this minimal resurgence is that it can just be so damn boring nowadays. This seems to have coincided with the explosion of laptop djs, which unless you are throwing down like Stewart Walker or Isolee or something, are damn boring to watch. So you get the back of a mac laptop, a dj that hits a few buttons and goes and eats a sandwich, and music that for the most part sounds like a halfway finished track with just the drum loop on repeat. Take a look at anything Minus has put out over the last few years and tell me with a straight face they aren't riding this cash train straight to the bank and privately laughing at anyone buying this garbage. I rest my case: http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF284632-01-01-01.mp3 -Arturo No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.5/1359 - Release Date: 4/4/2008 8:23 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.5/1359 - Release Date: 4/4/2008 8:23 AM
Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?
best if you buy the CD - it's fantastic however, it's basically him saying that he plays at places like the Lighthouse @ Hermosa Beach most of the time and not much in NYC he says at the Lighthouse him and his band can just get on and play what they like and the people who go there just let them do it in NYC he finds that people try to act hip by looking hip he finished up by saying you can't act or look hip - hipness is just a fact of life and it's not something you're conscious of buy the CD - it's well worth the intro by itself and the tune "Gemini" is scorching hot MEK "kent williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 04/04/2008 02:34:00 PM: > For those of us not currently looking at a Windows computer, please summarize? > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 1:55 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/music/wma-pop- > up/B00Y8C001001/ref=mu_sam_wma_001_001 > > > > I've always like the way Cannonball explained it (small snip from > > introduciton of "In New York - Cannonball Adderley Sextet") > > > > MEK > >
Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?
I think I'll give it another listen and see if I feel differently. All that echo-y german at the beginning just sounded entirely too much like one of Miss Kitten's solo albums I didn't like (I Com) and it probably started me off on the wrong foot. As this seems to have transformed into the bi-monthly minimal hate fest I'll throw down as well. This is just like everything else that gets popular, where you have a few exceptional people that did great work and continue to do so, and you've also got every hack producer jumping on that bandwagon putting out terrible tracks (that sell quite nicely). They'll move on to something else when the spotlight moves on to something new, and hopefully the people that did good work will continue to do so. You just have to dig deeper for the quality stuff, that's all. This is just like dubstep; for every "Burial" you get 30 EP's of UK hardcore massive garbage. I guess what I particularly don't like about this minimal resurgence is that it can just be so damn boring nowadays. This seems to have coincided with the explosion of laptop djs, which unless you are throwing down like Stewart Walker or Isolee or something, are damn boring to watch. So you get the back of a mac laptop, a dj that hits a few buttons and goes and eats a sandwich, and music that for the most part sounds like a halfway finished track with just the drum loop on repeat. Take a look at anything Minus has put out over the last few years and tell me with a straight face they aren't riding this cash train straight to the bank and privately laughing at anyone buying this garbage. I rest my case: http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF284632-01-01-01.mp3 -Arturo
Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 3:33 PM, kent williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It only makes sense if you take a look, and then do something. I don't > think he advocates making, as this quote in isolation seems to > suggest, a guiding principle out of waiting around for something to > happen. Observation and action are complementary. i agree, you should be doing equal parts of both. the idea that all adults and all kids think one way is pretty stupid anyway. all idiots do without thinking, and all useless people think without doing. tom
Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?
For those of us not currently looking at a Windows computer, please summarize? On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 1:55 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.amazon.com/gp/music/wma-pop-up/B00Y8C001001/ref=mu_sam_wma_001_001 > > I've always like the way Cannonball explained it (small snip from > introduciton of "In New York - Cannonball Adderley Sextet") > > MEK >
Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?
It only makes sense if you take a look, and then do something. I don't think he advocates making, as this quote in isolation seems to suggest, a guiding principle out of waiting around for something to happen. Observation and action are complementary. On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Greg Earle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > For some reason, reading this reminded me of one of my favorite > > quotes of all time (taken from the Epilogue section of the Sex > > Pistols' "The Filth And The Fury" DVD, with a bunch of talking > > head interviews): > > > > "It seems to me like the dividing line, kinda, between being a kid > > and being an adult is that when you are a kid, you want to impose > > yourself on the world and change the world to be like you, and be > > congratulated for being yourself. > > > > The other side of that line is you realize that the world itself > > is interesting, and you should take a look, instead of wanting it > > to pay attention at you." > > > > -- Richard Hell > > of course this idea makes no sense. if everyone felt this way, we > would all be sitting around waiting for one another to do something > interesting. what good is that? >
Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/music/wma-pop-up/B00Y8C001001/ref=mu_sam_wma_001_001 I've always like the way Cannonball explained it (small snip from introduciton of "In New York - Cannonball Adderley Sextet") MEK Greg Earle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 04/04/2008 01:41:56 PM: > kent williams wrote: > > It's also to separate the music from the scene, and to realize that > > slagging on a music/scene when it blows up is as much a Hipster > > transgression as following that trend. I was amused last summer > > walking around Brooklyn 'hipster' neighborhood last summer; it seemed > > like people who, in my shallow evaluation were, in fact, the dreaded > > hipsters, were modulating their fashion sense and coiffure to avoid > > the dreaded hipster signifiers. > > > > Being hip is too exhausting for me. You'll always be trying to stay > > ahead of curve, and nothing but eternal vigilance will keep you from > > staying with something formerly cutting edge, now declasse'. It's > > like surfing -- you want to be in the curl without the wave crashing > > over you. I'm content to like what I like and let someone else sort > > it out. > > For some reason, reading this reminded me of one of my favorite > quotes of all time (taken from the Epilogue section of the Sex > Pistols' "The Filth And The Fury" DVD, with a bunch of talking > head interviews): > > "It seems to me like the dividing line, kinda, between being a kid > and being an adult is that when you are a kid, you want to impose > yourself on the world and change the world to be like you, and be > congratulated for being yourself. > > The other side of that line is you realize that the world itself > is interesting, and you should take a look, instead of wanting it > to pay attention at you." > > -- Richard Hell > >
Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Greg Earle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For some reason, reading this reminded me of one of my favorite > quotes of all time (taken from the Epilogue section of the Sex > Pistols' "The Filth And The Fury" DVD, with a bunch of talking > head interviews): > > "It seems to me like the dividing line, kinda, between being a kid > and being an adult is that when you are a kid, you want to impose > yourself on the world and change the world to be like you, and be > congratulated for being yourself. > > The other side of that line is you realize that the world itself > is interesting, and you should take a look, instead of wanting it > to pay attention at you." > > -- Richard Hell of course this idea makes no sense. if everyone felt this way, we would all be sitting around waiting for one another to do something interesting. what good is that? tom
Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?
kent williams wrote: It's also to separate the music from the scene, and to realize that slagging on a music/scene when it blows up is as much a Hipster transgression as following that trend. I was amused last summer walking around Brooklyn 'hipster' neighborhood last summer; it seemed like people who, in my shallow evaluation were, in fact, the dreaded hipsters, were modulating their fashion sense and coiffure to avoid the dreaded hipster signifiers. Being hip is too exhausting for me. You'll always be trying to stay ahead of curve, and nothing but eternal vigilance will keep you from staying with something formerly cutting edge, now declasse'. It's like surfing -- you want to be in the curl without the wave crashing over you. I'm content to like what I like and let someone else sort it out. For some reason, reading this reminded me of one of my favorite quotes of all time (taken from the Epilogue section of the Sex Pistols' "The Filth And The Fury" DVD, with a bunch of talking head interviews): "It seems to me like the dividing line, kinda, between being a kid and being an adult is that when you are a kid, you want to impose yourself on the world and change the world to be like you, and be congratulated for being yourself. The other side of that line is you realize that the world itself is interesting, and you should take a look, instead of wanting it to pay attention at you." -- Richard Hell
Re: (313) Black Dog Radio Scarecrow LP
There is, we've just finished screen printing the sleeve, numbering the sleeves and just about to rubber stamp 1380 labels. Simon Francis has done a great job of the mastering, well chuffed I have a few up on Discogs and Blackhole will have some stock next week http://www.discogs.com/sell/list?seller=Martin_Dust m [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will there be vinyl?
Re: (313) Black Dog Radio Scarecrow LP on vinyl
On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, kent williams wrote: There was, it's sold out ;-) Oh, the amount of frustration... Maybe since you're on 313, Martin will have mercy on you and find a copy for you by burgling Black Dog Towers. For me too, pretty pretty please with sugar on top?-) Jussi Lehtonen "Metaprogram yourself."
Re: (313) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
EZMLM already killed his subscriptions due to bounces On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:32 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > someone (Kent?) want to tell him to unsub his blackberry > > I got about ten bounce notices > > MEK > >
Re: (313) Black Dog Radio Scarecrow LP
There was, it's sold out ;-) Maybe since you're on 313, Martin will have mercy on you and find a copy for you by burgling Black Dog Towers. On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:48 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Will there be vinyl? > >
RE: (313) Returning this week
being that Ferox is one of the few label that I want to get a complete collection of this will go on the list however, first impressions of samples: Stronghold - meh, could be any techno tune on just about any label, not really a standout on any label Phaser - so far my fav Blowback - this sounds more like old Ferox to me Synchro - I like where it went to in the end not a bad record, not really a big stand-out but Ferox releases always seem to grow on me probably why I want them all good to see them back in the pressing biz now to find this available on this side of the pond MEK "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 04/04/2008 10:40:21 AM: > http://hardwax.com/?search=ferox > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Michael.Elliot- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 04 April 2008 16:04 > > > > What's this about the Ferox label? > >
Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?
I have a bootleg of a set of her live in Berlin and it is pretty good stuff and diverse, selection and mixing, however, I also have a mix of hers that was an import release and it was boring. She has a few tracks and remixes that are really strong. Just my .02. - Original Message From: kent williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, April 4, 2008 9:40:37 AM Subject: Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? The one mix I have by Ellen Allien is Fabric 34 and I listen to it a lot -- both straight through and when individual tracks come up on shuffle. I think it's high time that we stop using minimal as a dirty word. Minimalism in its broadest sense has been a revolution in music, not so much because it has been revolutionary in content, but because it has demanded a new relationship between the music and the listener. The best minimal techno is every bit as dramatic and emotional as any other sort of dance music. The worst is just boring. Worse than that, it's a sort of music that appeals and encourages an audience of people completely off their faces on drugs. Give me something with a little soul and variety anyday! It's also to separate the music from the scene, and to realize that slagging on a music/scene when it blows up is as much a hipster transgression as following that trend. I was amused last summer walking around Brooklyn 'hipster' neighborhood last summer; it seemed like people who, in my shallow evaluation were, in fact, the dreaded hipsters, were modulating their fashion sense and coiffure to avoid the dreaded hipster signifiers. Being hip is too exhausting for me. You'll always be trying to stay ahead of curve, and nothing but eternal vigilance will keep you from staying with something formerly cutting edge, now declasse'. It's like surfing -- you want to be in the curl without the wave crashing over you. I'm content to like what I like and let someone else sort it out. But I digress. Ellen Allien is usually pretty ace in my estimation. If one of her mixes sounded a little flat at first, I'd give it a few listens to sink in before dismissing it.
(313) Black Dog Radio Scarecrow LP
Will there be vinyl?
RE: (313) Returning this week
http://hardwax.com/?search=ferox > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Michael.Elliot- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 04 April 2008 16:04 > > What's this about the Ferox label?
RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?
Im shocked to find Carl Craig #1, but he don't play hood or CR records in his set, well not for years if he ever did. -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2008 15:45 To: kent williams; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? The fact that minimal techno is currently seen as "hip" can only be a good thing. More and more people are into labels like Chain Reaction, M-Plant and Basic Channel than ever before. That ultimately will lead them back to the Detroit originators. It takes time, but I know for one that it has transformed the London techno scene. -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2008 15:41 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? The one mix I have by Ellen Allien is Fabric 34 and I listen to it a lot -- both straight through and when individual tracks come up on shuffle. I think it's high time that we stop using minimal as a dirty word. Minimalism in its broadest sense has been a revolution in music, not so much because it has been revolutionary in content, but because it has demanded a new relationship between the music and the listener. The best minimal techno is every bit as dramatic and emotional as any other sort of dance music. The worst is just boring. Worse than that, it's a sort of music that appeals and encourages an audience of people completely off their faces on drugs. Give me something with a little soul and variety anyday! It's also to separate the music from the scene, and to realize that slagging on a music/scene when it blows up is as much a hipster transgression as following that trend. I was amused last summer walking around Brooklyn 'hipster' neighborhood last summer; it seemed like people who, in my shallow evaluation were, in fact, the dreaded hipsters, were modulating their fashion sense and coiffure to avoid the dreaded hipster signifiers. Being hip is too exhausting for me. You'll always be trying to stay ahead of curve, and nothing but eternal vigilance will keep you from staying with something formerly cutting edge, now declasse'. It's like surfing -- you want to be in the curl without the wave crashing over you. I'm content to like what I like and let someone else sort it out. But I digress. Ellen Allien is usually pretty ace in my estimation. If one of her mixes sounded a little flat at first, I'd give it a few listens to sink in before dismissing it. For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT.
RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?
Because when hood plays at smaller clubs in London there never as packed as when he plays Fabric because these types people wont go and see this type of dj play out of there comfort zone with all there other like minded people. People like peeps on this list can see the attraction of this newer sound and can look forward but the trendy newbie's cant look back because if they did Bleep and split (London parties) would be much bigger parties than they are..people vote with there feet and not by just buying records. -Original Message- From: Martijn de Blaauw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2008 16:03 To: Paul Kendrick; Toby Frith; kent williams; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? What gives u the idea that people who listen to villalobos, Vath, Luciano or even 2000 and one (who's records get played to death by the minimal posse) don't' listen to other stuff such as R. Hood? Why is it that u think that people who give this a listen or go out to night to hear some stuff like this only listen to it because it's 'hip'??? Just wondering. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Paul Kendrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: vrijdag 4 april 2008 17:02 Aan: Toby Frith; kent williams; list 313 Onderwerp: RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? Im not sure that the people listening to minimal listen to CR, Hood, DBX and so on, its all about the current sound like Craig Richards, Ricardo Villalobos, luciano and these producers...the people who listen to it because its hip don't care where its roots areits only good because its hip. Next week there be into something else... -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2008 15:45 To: kent williams; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? The fact that minimal techno is currently seen as "hip" can only be a good thing. More and more people are into labels like Chain Reaction, M-Plant and Basic Channel than ever before. That ultimately will lead them back to the Detroit originators. It takes time, but I know for one that it has transformed the London techno scene. -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2008 15:41 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? The one mix I have by Ellen Allien is Fabric 34 and I listen to it a lot -- both straight through and when individual tracks come up on shuffle. I think it's high time that we stop using minimal as a dirty word. Minimalism in its broadest sense has been a revolution in music, not so much because it has been revolutionary in content, but because it has demanded a new relationship between the music and the listener. The best minimal techno is every bit as dramatic and emotional as any other sort of dance music. The worst is just boring. Worse than that, it's a sort of music that appeals and encourages an audience of people completely off their faces on drugs. Give me something with a little soul and variety anyday! It's also to separate the music from the scene, and to realize that slagging on a music/scene when it blows up is as much a hipster transgression as following that trend. I was amused last summer walking around Brooklyn 'hipster' neighborhood last summer; it seemed like people who, in my shallow evaluation were, in fact, the dreaded hipsters, were modulating their fashion sense and coiffure to avoid the dreaded hipster signifiers. Being hip is too exhausting for me. You'll always be trying to stay ahead of curve, and nothing but eternal vigilance will keep you from staying with something formerly cutting edge, now declasse'. It's like surfing -- you want to be in the curl without the wave crashing over you. I'm content to like what I like and let someone else sort it out. But I digress. Ellen Allien is usually pretty ace in my estimation. If one of her mixes sounded a little flat at first, I'd give it a few listens to sink in before dismissing it. For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT. Woningcorporatie Woonconcept zorgt voor veilige woonruimte van goede kwaliteit voor mensen, die daar zelfstandig niet in kunnen voorzien. En wij doen meer dan bouwen, zorgvuldig beheren
Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?
On 4 Apr 2008, at 15:44, Toby Frith wrote: The fact that minimal techno is currently seen as "hip" can only be a good thing. More and more people are into labels like Chain Reaction, M-Plant and Basic Channel than ever before. That ultimately will lead them back to the Detroit originators. It takes time, but I know for one that it has transformed the London techno scene. I agree. I think this is already happening. There also appears to be a coming back around to house in that scene from what I can tell. Not a bad thing either. Intolerance of any type of music is never a good thing. As it means you've closed your ears and might miss something that you might like. robin...
RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?
Check! Now off to my local...and then checking out Mattias Kaden (is het minimal or techno or both?) tonight;-) Take care u all... -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: vrijdag 4 april 2008 17:10 Aan: Martijn de Blaauw; Paul Kendrick; Toby Frith; kent williams; list 313 Onderwerp: RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? yes! thank you... mnml comes from, is been inspired by, has evolved from, is influenced by *whatever* by all these so-called minimal originators. most artists, especially the older ones all hail detroit as part of their musical heritage. DBX, CR, DC, R.Hood, T.Dixon, Rhythm&Sound etc this isn't dubstep you know fab - Original Message - Da : "Martijn de Blaauw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A : "Paul Kendrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Toby Frith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "kent williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "list 313" <313@hyperreal.org> Oggetto : RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? Data : Fri, 4 Apr 2008 17:02:58 +0200 > What gives u the idea that people who listen to villalobos > , Vath, Luciano or even 2000 and one (who's records get > played to death by the minimal posse) don't' listen to > other stuff such as R. Hood? Why is it that u think that > people who give this a listen or go out to night to hear > some stuff like this only listen to it because it's > 'hip'??? > > Just wondering. > > > -Oorspronkelijk bericht- > Van: Paul Kendrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Verzonden: vrijdag 4 april 2008 17:02 > Aan: Toby Frith; kent williams; list 313 > Onderwerp: RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? > > Im not sure that the people listening to minimal listen to > CR, Hood, DBX and so on, its all about the current sound > like Craig Richards, Ricardo Villalobos, luciano and these > producers...the people who listen to it because its hip > don't care where its roots areits only good because > its hip. Next week there be into something else... > > -Original Message- > From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 04 April 2008 15:45 > To: kent williams; list 313 > Subject: RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? > > > The fact that minimal techno is currently seen as "hip" > can only be a good thing. > > More and more people are into labels like Chain Reaction, > M-Plant and Basic Channel than ever before. That > ultimately will lead them back to the Detroit originators. > It takes time, but I know for one that it has transformed > the London techno scene. > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 04 April 2008 15:41 > To: list 313 > Subject: Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? > > > The one mix I have by Ellen Allien is Fabric 34 and I > listen to it a lot -- both straight through and when > individual tracks come up on shuffle. > > I think it's high time that we stop using minimal as a > dirty word. Minimalism in its broadest sense has been a > revolution in music, not so much because it has been > revolutionary in content, but because it has demanded a > new relationship between the music and the listener. The > best minimal techno is every bit as dramatic and emotional > as any other sort of dance music. The worst is just > boring. Worse than that, it's a sort of music that > appeals and encourages an audience of people completely > off their faces on drugs. Give me something with a little > soul and variety anyday! > > It's also to separate the music from the scene, and to > realize that slagging on a music/scene when it blows up is > as much a hipster transgression as following that trend. > I was amused last summer walking around Brooklyn 'hipster' > neighborhood last summer; it seemed like people who, in my > shallow evaluation were, in fact, the dreaded hipsters, > were modulating their fashion sense and coiffure to avoid > the dreaded hipster signifiers. > > Being hip is too exhausting for me. You'll always be > trying to stay ahead of curve, and nothing but eternal > vigilance will keep you from staying with something > formerly cutting edge, now declasse'. It's like surfing > -- you want to be in the curl without the wave crashing > over you. I'm content to like what I like and let someone > else sort it out. > > But I digress. Ellen Allien is usually pretty ace in my > estimation. If one of her mixes sounded a little flat at > first, I'd give it a few listens to sink in before > dismissing it. > > > For all the latest news and comment visit > www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any > attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the > subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, > use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message > (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you > are not the intended recipient, please notify us > immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our > offices may be monitored or
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yes! thank you... mnml comes from, is been inspired by, has evolved from, is influenced by *whatever* by all these so-called minimal originators. most artists, especially the older ones all hail detroit as part of their musical heritage. DBX, CR, DC, R.Hood, T.Dixon, Rhythm&Sound etc this isn't dubstep you know fab - Original Message - Da : "Martijn de Blaauw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A : "Paul Kendrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Toby Frith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "kent williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "list 313" <313@hyperreal.org> Oggetto : RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? Data : Fri, 4 Apr 2008 17:02:58 +0200 > What gives u the idea that people who listen to villalobos > , Vath, Luciano or even 2000 and one (who's records get > played to death by the minimal posse) don't' listen to > other stuff such as R. Hood? Why is it that u think that > people who give this a listen or go out to night to hear > some stuff like this only listen to it because it's > 'hip'??? > > Just wondering. > > > -Oorspronkelijk bericht- > Van: Paul Kendrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Verzonden: vrijdag 4 april 2008 17:02 > Aan: Toby Frith; kent williams; list 313 > Onderwerp: RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? > > Im not sure that the people listening to minimal listen to > CR, Hood, DBX and so on, its all about the current sound > like Craig Richards, Ricardo Villalobos, luciano and these > producers...the people who listen to it because its hip > don't care where its roots areits only good because > its hip. Next week there be into something else... > > -Original Message- > From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 04 April 2008 15:45 > To: kent williams; list 313 > Subject: RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? > > > The fact that minimal techno is currently seen as "hip" > can only be a good thing. > > More and more people are into labels like Chain Reaction, > M-Plant and Basic Channel than ever before. That > ultimately will lead them back to the Detroit originators. > It takes time, but I know for one that it has transformed > the London techno scene. > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 04 April 2008 15:41 > To: list 313 > Subject: Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? > > > The one mix I have by Ellen Allien is Fabric 34 and I > listen to it a lot -- both straight through and when > individual tracks come up on shuffle. > > I think it's high time that we stop using minimal as a > dirty word. Minimalism in its broadest sense has been a > revolution in music, not so much because it has been > revolutionary in content, but because it has demanded a > new relationship between the music and the listener. The > best minimal techno is every bit as dramatic and emotional > as any other sort of dance music. The worst is just > boring. Worse than that, it's a sort of music that > appeals and encourages an audience of people completely > off their faces on drugs. Give me something with a little > soul and variety anyday! > > It's also to separate the music from the scene, and to > realize that slagging on a music/scene when it blows up is > as much a hipster transgression as following that trend. > I was amused last summer walking around Brooklyn 'hipster' > neighborhood last summer; it seemed like people who, in my > shallow evaluation were, in fact, the dreaded hipsters, > were modulating their fashion sense and coiffure to avoid > the dreaded hipster signifiers. > > Being hip is too exhausting for me. You'll always be > trying to stay ahead of curve, and nothing but eternal > vigilance will keep you from staying with something > formerly cutting edge, now declasse'. It's like surfing > -- you want to be in the curl without the wave crashing > over you. I'm content to like what I like and let someone > else sort it out. > > But I digress. Ellen Allien is usually pretty ace in my > estimation. If one of her mixes sounded a little flat at > first, I'd give it a few listens to sink in before > dismissing it. > > > For all the latest news and comment visit > www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any > attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the > subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, > use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message > (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you > are not the intended recipient, please notify us > immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our > offices may be monitored or recorded for training and > quality control purposes and for confirming orders and > information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited > liability company registered in England and Wales (company > number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 > Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT. > > > > Woningcorporatie Woonconcept zorgt voor veilige woonruimte > van goede k
Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Toby Frith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Resident Advisor's DJ pages are quite interesting. Obviously it's meant to > be a hybrid of > DJ/Live acts that users vote on as their favourites, but interestingly the > top 20 or so make > for interesting reading, given that it's meant to be a "minimal" loving site. i feel like they are trying to do a better job with their coverage, they've had a good bit of more detroit and melodic real techno coverage of late. i'm still not 100% satisfied, but i have to say they are making a good effort. tom
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What's this about the Ferox label? MEK David Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 04/04/2008 05:51:01 AM: > spotted in one of my weekly shop mail outs 2 returns > this week that im interested in Tony Ollivierra and > the Ferox label. Anyone any reports on these or so I > need to wait until I pick mine up > > Cheers > BT
RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?
What gives u the idea that people who listen to villalobos, Vath, Luciano or even 2000 and one (who's records get played to death by the minimal posse) don't' listen to other stuff such as R. Hood? Why is it that u think that people who give this a listen or go out to night to hear some stuff like this only listen to it because it's 'hip'??? Just wondering. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Paul Kendrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: vrijdag 4 april 2008 17:02 Aan: Toby Frith; kent williams; list 313 Onderwerp: RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? Im not sure that the people listening to minimal listen to CR, Hood, DBX and so on, its all about the current sound like Craig Richards, Ricardo Villalobos, luciano and these producers...the people who listen to it because its hip don't care where its roots areits only good because its hip. Next week there be into something else... -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2008 15:45 To: kent williams; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? The fact that minimal techno is currently seen as "hip" can only be a good thing. More and more people are into labels like Chain Reaction, M-Plant and Basic Channel than ever before. That ultimately will lead them back to the Detroit originators. It takes time, but I know for one that it has transformed the London techno scene. -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2008 15:41 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? The one mix I have by Ellen Allien is Fabric 34 and I listen to it a lot -- both straight through and when individual tracks come up on shuffle. I think it's high time that we stop using minimal as a dirty word. Minimalism in its broadest sense has been a revolution in music, not so much because it has been revolutionary in content, but because it has demanded a new relationship between the music and the listener. The best minimal techno is every bit as dramatic and emotional as any other sort of dance music. The worst is just boring. Worse than that, it's a sort of music that appeals and encourages an audience of people completely off their faces on drugs. Give me something with a little soul and variety anyday! It's also to separate the music from the scene, and to realize that slagging on a music/scene when it blows up is as much a hipster transgression as following that trend. I was amused last summer walking around Brooklyn 'hipster' neighborhood last summer; it seemed like people who, in my shallow evaluation were, in fact, the dreaded hipsters, were modulating their fashion sense and coiffure to avoid the dreaded hipster signifiers. Being hip is too exhausting for me. You'll always be trying to stay ahead of curve, and nothing but eternal vigilance will keep you from staying with something formerly cutting edge, now declasse'. It's like surfing -- you want to be in the curl without the wave crashing over you. I'm content to like what I like and let someone else sort it out. But I digress. Ellen Allien is usually pretty ace in my estimation. If one of her mixes sounded a little flat at first, I'd give it a few listens to sink in before dismissing it. For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT. Woningcorporatie Woonconcept zorgt voor veilige woonruimte van goede kwaliteit voor mensen, die daar zelfstandig niet in kunnen voorzien. En wij doen meer dan bouwen, zorgvuldig beheren en verhuren. We zetten ons in voor de leefbaarheid in de breedste zin van het woord.
RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?
Resident Advisor's DJ pages are quite interesting. Obviously it's meant to be a hybrid of DJ/Live acts that users vote on as their favourites, but interestingly the top 20 or so make for interesting reading, given that it's meant to be a "minimal" loving site. http://www.residentadvisor.net/dj-ranks.aspx -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2008 16:02 To: Toby Frith; kent williams; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? Im not sure that the people listening to minimal listen to CR, Hood, DBX and so on, its all about the current sound like Craig Richards, Ricardo Villalobos, luciano and these producers...the people who listen to it because its hip don't care where its roots areits only good because its hip. Next week there be into something else... -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2008 15:45 To: kent williams; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? The fact that minimal techno is currently seen as "hip" can only be a good thing. More and more people are into labels like Chain Reaction, M-Plant and Basic Channel than ever before. That ultimately will lead them back to the Detroit originators. It takes time, but I know for one that it has transformed the London techno scene. -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2008 15:41 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? The one mix I have by Ellen Allien is Fabric 34 and I listen to it a lot -- both straight through and when individual tracks come up on shuffle. I think it's high time that we stop using minimal as a dirty word. Minimalism in its broadest sense has been a revolution in music, not so much because it has been revolutionary in content, but because it has demanded a new relationship between the music and the listener. The best minimal techno is every bit as dramatic and emotional as any other sort of dance music. The worst is just boring. Worse than that, it's a sort of music that appeals and encourages an audience of people completely off their faces on drugs. Give me something with a little soul and variety anyday! It's also to separate the music from the scene, and to realize that slagging on a music/scene when it blows up is as much a hipster transgression as following that trend. I was amused last summer walking around Brooklyn 'hipster' neighborhood last summer; it seemed like people who, in my shallow evaluation were, in fact, the dreaded hipsters, were modulating their fashion sense and coiffure to avoid the dreaded hipster signifiers. Being hip is too exhausting for me. You'll always be trying to stay ahead of curve, and nothing but eternal vigilance will keep you from staying with something formerly cutting edge, now declasse'. It's like surfing -- you want to be in the curl without the wave crashing over you. I'm content to like what I like and let someone else sort it out. But I digress. Ellen Allien is usually pretty ace in my estimation. If one of her mixes sounded a little flat at first, I'd give it a few listens to sink in before dismissing it. For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT. For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT.
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On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Toby Frith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The downside I feel is that the idiosyncrasies that makes the music of > people like Robert > Hood and Omar-S for example so exciting was their relative musical isolation > in Detroit. > Certainly with more exposure in Europe I think with regard to recent > releases from both of > these artists in particular I think that this has been watered down slightly. i don't agree, i think there is some really nice stuff on the 3 hood musics and omar-s' last 12" is one of his best! i dont think either is really making concessions in their own production to europe, though from hood's DEMF set a couple years back i feel like he still has moments of greatness in with the weaker times deejaying. tom
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On 4 Apr 2008, at 16:01, Paul Kendrick wrote: Im not sure that the people listening to minimal listen to CR, Hood, DBX and so on, its all about the current sound like Craig Richards, Ricardo Villalobos, luciano and these producers...the people who listen to it because its hip don't care where its roots areits only good because its hip. Next week there be into something else... Every generation has a year zero, it's nothing new and of course they don't like stuff their "dad" does m
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Of course it doesn't mean that they will, but I suspect that without this relative explosion of interest in 4/4 dance music that is slightly cerebral and not reliant on euphoric melodies then that vital link to Detroit may have been lost. The popularity of Hawtin and Villalobos in particular has been central to this. The downside I feel is that the idiosyncrasies that makes the music of people like Robert Hood and Omar-S for example so exciting was their relative musical isolation in Detroit. Certainly with more exposure in Europe I think with regard to recent releases from both of these artists in particular I think that this has been watered down slightly. I've seen Hood twice in recent months and have to admit that he's not the force DJ-wise that he was. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2008 15:52 To: Toby Frith; kent williams; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? yeah but that doesn't necessarily mean they will like derrick may or kevin saunderson's stuff. i know i don't like most of it, even though i am a die-hard fan of the artists you mentioned, as well as of "hip" minimahl music fab - Original Message - Da : "Toby Frith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A : "kent williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "list 313" <313@hyperreal.org> Oggetto : RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? Data : Fri, 4 Apr 2008 15:44:56 +0100 > The fact that minimal techno is currently seen as "hip" > can only be a good thing. > > More and more people are into labels like Chain Reaction, > M-Plant and Basic Channel than ever before. That > ultimately will lead them back to the Detroit originators. > It takes time, but I know for one that it has transformed > the London techno scene. > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 04 April 2008 15:41 > To: list 313 > Subject: Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? > > > The one mix I have by Ellen Allien is Fabric 34 and I > listen to it a lot -- both straight through and when > individual tracks come up on shuffle. > > I think it's high time that we stop using minimal as a > dirty word. Minimalism in its broadest sense has been a > revolution in music, not so much because it has been > revolutionary in content, but because it has demanded a > new relationship between the music and the listener. The > best minimal techno is every bit as dramatic and emotional > as any other sort of dance music. The worst is just > boring. Worse than that, it's a sort of music that > appeals and encourages an audience of people completely > off their faces on drugs. Give me something with a little > soul and variety anyday! > > It's also to separate the music from the scene, and to > realize that slagging on a music/scene when it blows up is > as much a hipster transgression as following that trend. > I was amused last summer walking around Brooklyn 'hipster' > neighborhood last summer; it seemed like people who, in my > shallow evaluation were, in fact, the dreaded hipsters, > were modulating their fashion sense and coiffure to avoid > the dreaded hipster signifiers. > > Being hip is too exhausting for me. You'll always be > trying to stay ahead of curve, and nothing but eternal > vigilance will keep you from staying with something > formerly cutting edge, now declasse'. It's like surfing > -- you want to be in the curl without the wave crashing > over you. I'm content to like what I like and let someone > else sort it out. > > But I digress. Ellen Allien is usually pretty ace in my > estimation. If one of her mixes sounded a little flat at > first, I'd give it a few listens to sink in before > dismissing it. > > > For all the latest news and comment visit > www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any > attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the > subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, > use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message > (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you > are not the intended recipient, please notify us > immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our > offices may be monitored or recorded for training and > quality control purposes and for confirming orders and > information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited > liability company registered in England and Wales (company > number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 > Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT. > For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone cal
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Im not sure that the people listening to minimal listen to CR, Hood, DBX and so on, its all about the current sound like Craig Richards, Ricardo Villalobos, luciano and these producers...the people who listen to it because its hip don't care where its roots areits only good because its hip. Next week there be into something else... -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2008 15:45 To: kent williams; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? The fact that minimal techno is currently seen as "hip" can only be a good thing. More and more people are into labels like Chain Reaction, M-Plant and Basic Channel than ever before. That ultimately will lead them back to the Detroit originators. It takes time, but I know for one that it has transformed the London techno scene. -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2008 15:41 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? The one mix I have by Ellen Allien is Fabric 34 and I listen to it a lot -- both straight through and when individual tracks come up on shuffle. I think it's high time that we stop using minimal as a dirty word. Minimalism in its broadest sense has been a revolution in music, not so much because it has been revolutionary in content, but because it has demanded a new relationship between the music and the listener. The best minimal techno is every bit as dramatic and emotional as any other sort of dance music. The worst is just boring. Worse than that, it's a sort of music that appeals and encourages an audience of people completely off their faces on drugs. Give me something with a little soul and variety anyday! It's also to separate the music from the scene, and to realize that slagging on a music/scene when it blows up is as much a hipster transgression as following that trend. I was amused last summer walking around Brooklyn 'hipster' neighborhood last summer; it seemed like people who, in my shallow evaluation were, in fact, the dreaded hipsters, were modulating their fashion sense and coiffure to avoid the dreaded hipster signifiers. Being hip is too exhausting for me. You'll always be trying to stay ahead of curve, and nothing but eternal vigilance will keep you from staying with something formerly cutting edge, now declasse'. It's like surfing -- you want to be in the curl without the wave crashing over you. I'm content to like what I like and let someone else sort it out. But I digress. Ellen Allien is usually pretty ace in my estimation. If one of her mixes sounded a little flat at first, I'd give it a few listens to sink in before dismissing it. For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT.
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I should say ON Resident Advisor - a 'hipster' site that fetes minimal Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2008 15:56 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Toby Frith; kent williams; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? I dunno - KS has just done a pony mix of Resident Advisor Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2008 15:52 To: Toby Frith; kent williams; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? yeah but that doesn't necessarily mean they will like derrick may or kevin saunderson's stuff. i know i don't like most of it, even though i am a die-hard fan of the artists you mentioned, as well as of "hip" minimahl music fab - Original Message - Da : "Toby Frith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A : "kent williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "list 313" <313@hyperreal.org> Oggetto : RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? Data : Fri, 4 Apr 2008 15:44:56 +0100 > The fact that minimal techno is currently seen as "hip" > can only be a good thing. > > More and more people are into labels like Chain Reaction, M-Plant and > Basic Channel than ever before. That ultimately will lead them back to > the Detroit originators. > It takes time, but I know for one that it has transformed the London > techno scene. > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 04 April 2008 15:41 > To: list 313 > Subject: Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? > > > The one mix I have by Ellen Allien is Fabric 34 and I listen to it a > lot -- both straight through and when individual tracks come up on > shuffle. > > I think it's high time that we stop using minimal as a dirty word. > Minimalism in its broadest sense has been a revolution in music, not > so much because it has been revolutionary in content, but because it > has demanded a new relationship between the music and the listener. > The best minimal techno is every bit as dramatic and emotional > as any other sort of dance music. The worst is just > boring. Worse than that, it's a sort of music that > appeals and encourages an audience of people completely off their > faces on drugs. Give me something with a little soul and variety > anyday! > > It's also to separate the music from the scene, and to realize that > slagging on a music/scene when it blows up is as much a hipster > transgression as following that trend. > I was amused last summer walking around Brooklyn 'hipster' > neighborhood last summer; it seemed like people who, in my shallow > evaluation were, in fact, the dreaded hipsters, were modulating their > fashion sense and coiffure to avoid the dreaded hipster signifiers. > > Being hip is too exhausting for me. You'll always be trying to stay > ahead of curve, and nothing but eternal vigilance will keep you from > staying with something > formerly cutting edge, now declasse'. It's like surfing > -- you want to be in the curl without the wave crashing over you. I'm > content to like what I like and let someone else sort it out. > > But I digress. Ellen Allien is usually pretty ace in my estimation. > If one of her mixes sounded a little flat at first, I'd give it a few > listens to sink in before dismissing it. > > > For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This > message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, > confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any > unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of > this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If > you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. > Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored > or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for > confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a > limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company > number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham > Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT. > # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office
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On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:40 AM, kent williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think it's high time that we stop using minimal as a dirty word. i dont use minimal as a dirty word, i use "mnml" as a dirty word. there is a difference. > I'm content to like what I like and let someone else sort > it out. that's really all i would ask of anyone. On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Toby Frith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The fact that minimal techno is currently seen as "hip" can only be a good > thing. > > More and more people are into labels like Chain Reaction, M-Plant and Basic > Channel than > ever before. That ultimately will lead them back to the Detroit originators. > It takes time, but I > know for one that it has transformed the London techno scene. the thing is, how long has "mnml" been popular before that finally started to really happen? rob hood's Fabric mix is getting more love than his really good Hood Music 12"s have. dub techno's very general popularity is pretty interesting, but it will take even more time to see if this will be something more than just the next fad. tom
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I dunno - KS has just done a pony mix of Resident Advisor Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2008 15:52 To: Toby Frith; kent williams; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? yeah but that doesn't necessarily mean they will like derrick may or kevin saunderson's stuff. i know i don't like most of it, even though i am a die-hard fan of the artists you mentioned, as well as of "hip" minimahl music fab - Original Message - Da : "Toby Frith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A : "kent williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "list 313" <313@hyperreal.org> Oggetto : RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? Data : Fri, 4 Apr 2008 15:44:56 +0100 > The fact that minimal techno is currently seen as "hip" > can only be a good thing. > > More and more people are into labels like Chain Reaction, M-Plant and > Basic Channel than ever before. That ultimately will lead them back to > the Detroit originators. > It takes time, but I know for one that it has transformed the London > techno scene. > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 04 April 2008 15:41 > To: list 313 > Subject: Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? > > > The one mix I have by Ellen Allien is Fabric 34 and I listen to it a > lot -- both straight through and when individual tracks come up on > shuffle. > > I think it's high time that we stop using minimal as a dirty word. > Minimalism in its broadest sense has been a revolution in music, not > so much because it has been revolutionary in content, but because it > has demanded a new relationship between the music and the listener. > The best minimal techno is every bit as dramatic and emotional > as any other sort of dance music. The worst is just > boring. Worse than that, it's a sort of music that > appeals and encourages an audience of people completely off their > faces on drugs. Give me something with a little soul and variety > anyday! > > It's also to separate the music from the scene, and to realize that > slagging on a music/scene when it blows up is as much a hipster > transgression as following that trend. > I was amused last summer walking around Brooklyn 'hipster' > neighborhood last summer; it seemed like people who, in my shallow > evaluation were, in fact, the dreaded hipsters, were modulating their > fashion sense and coiffure to avoid the dreaded hipster signifiers. > > Being hip is too exhausting for me. You'll always be trying to stay > ahead of curve, and nothing but eternal vigilance will keep you from > staying with something > formerly cutting edge, now declasse'. It's like surfing > -- you want to be in the curl without the wave crashing over you. I'm > content to like what I like and let someone else sort it out. > > But I digress. Ellen Allien is usually pretty ace in my estimation. > If one of her mixes sounded a little flat at first, I'd give it a few > listens to sink in before dismissing it. > > > For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This > message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, > confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any > unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of > this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If > you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. > Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored > or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for > confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a > limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company > number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham > Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT. > # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
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yeah but that doesn't necessarily mean they will like derrick may or kevin saunderson's stuff. i know i don't like most of it, even though i am a die-hard fan of the artists you mentioned, as well as of "hip" minimahl music fab - Original Message - Da : "Toby Frith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A : "kent williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "list 313" <313@hyperreal.org> Oggetto : RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? Data : Fri, 4 Apr 2008 15:44:56 +0100 > The fact that minimal techno is currently seen as "hip" > can only be a good thing. > > More and more people are into labels like Chain Reaction, > M-Plant and Basic Channel than ever before. That > ultimately will lead them back to the Detroit originators. > It takes time, but I know for one that it has transformed > the London techno scene. > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 04 April 2008 15:41 > To: list 313 > Subject: Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? > > > The one mix I have by Ellen Allien is Fabric 34 and I > listen to it a lot -- both straight through and when > individual tracks come up on shuffle. > > I think it's high time that we stop using minimal as a > dirty word. Minimalism in its broadest sense has been a > revolution in music, not so much because it has been > revolutionary in content, but because it has demanded a > new relationship between the music and the listener. The > best minimal techno is every bit as dramatic and emotional > as any other sort of dance music. The worst is just > boring. Worse than that, it's a sort of music that > appeals and encourages an audience of people completely > off their faces on drugs. Give me something with a little > soul and variety anyday! > > It's also to separate the music from the scene, and to > realize that slagging on a music/scene when it blows up is > as much a hipster transgression as following that trend. > I was amused last summer walking around Brooklyn 'hipster' > neighborhood last summer; it seemed like people who, in my > shallow evaluation were, in fact, the dreaded hipsters, > were modulating their fashion sense and coiffure to avoid > the dreaded hipster signifiers. > > Being hip is too exhausting for me. You'll always be > trying to stay ahead of curve, and nothing but eternal > vigilance will keep you from staying with something > formerly cutting edge, now declasse'. It's like surfing > -- you want to be in the curl without the wave crashing > over you. I'm content to like what I like and let someone > else sort it out. > > But I digress. Ellen Allien is usually pretty ace in my > estimation. If one of her mixes sounded a little flat at > first, I'd give it a few listens to sink in before > dismissing it. > > > For all the latest news and comment visit > www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any > attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the > subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, > use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message > (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you > are not the intended recipient, please notify us > immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our > offices may be monitored or recorded for training and > quality control purposes and for confirming orders and > information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited > liability company registered in England and Wales (company > number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 > Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT. >
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The fact that minimal techno is currently seen as "hip" can only be a good thing. More and more people are into labels like Chain Reaction, M-Plant and Basic Channel than ever before. That ultimately will lead them back to the Detroit originators. It takes time, but I know for one that it has transformed the London techno scene. -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2008 15:41 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? The one mix I have by Ellen Allien is Fabric 34 and I listen to it a lot -- both straight through and when individual tracks come up on shuffle. I think it's high time that we stop using minimal as a dirty word. Minimalism in its broadest sense has been a revolution in music, not so much because it has been revolutionary in content, but because it has demanded a new relationship between the music and the listener. The best minimal techno is every bit as dramatic and emotional as any other sort of dance music. The worst is just boring. Worse than that, it's a sort of music that appeals and encourages an audience of people completely off their faces on drugs. Give me something with a little soul and variety anyday! It's also to separate the music from the scene, and to realize that slagging on a music/scene when it blows up is as much a hipster transgression as following that trend. I was amused last summer walking around Brooklyn 'hipster' neighborhood last summer; it seemed like people who, in my shallow evaluation were, in fact, the dreaded hipsters, were modulating their fashion sense and coiffure to avoid the dreaded hipster signifiers. Being hip is too exhausting for me. You'll always be trying to stay ahead of curve, and nothing but eternal vigilance will keep you from staying with something formerly cutting edge, now declasse'. It's like surfing -- you want to be in the curl without the wave crashing over you. I'm content to like what I like and let someone else sort it out. But I digress. Ellen Allien is usually pretty ace in my estimation. If one of her mixes sounded a little flat at first, I'd give it a few listens to sink in before dismissing it. For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT.
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The one mix I have by Ellen Allien is Fabric 34 and I listen to it a lot -- both straight through and when individual tracks come up on shuffle. I think it's high time that we stop using minimal as a dirty word. Minimalism in its broadest sense has been a revolution in music, not so much because it has been revolutionary in content, but because it has demanded a new relationship between the music and the listener. The best minimal techno is every bit as dramatic and emotional as any other sort of dance music. The worst is just boring. Worse than that, it's a sort of music that appeals and encourages an audience of people completely off their faces on drugs. Give me something with a little soul and variety anyday! It's also to separate the music from the scene, and to realize that slagging on a music/scene when it blows up is as much a hipster transgression as following that trend. I was amused last summer walking around Brooklyn 'hipster' neighborhood last summer; it seemed like people who, in my shallow evaluation were, in fact, the dreaded hipsters, were modulating their fashion sense and coiffure to avoid the dreaded hipster signifiers. Being hip is too exhausting for me. You'll always be trying to stay ahead of curve, and nothing but eternal vigilance will keep you from staying with something formerly cutting edge, now declasse'. It's like surfing -- you want to be in the curl without the wave crashing over you. I'm content to like what I like and let someone else sort it out. But I digress. Ellen Allien is usually pretty ace in my estimation. If one of her mixes sounded a little flat at first, I'd give it a few listens to sink in before dismissing it.
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someone (Kent?) want to tell him to unsub his blackberry I got about ten bounce notices MEK
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Ferox was just okay in my opinion, I felt mr. anderson's records under the Otimi (sp?) a lot more. I am happy to see the label back up and running on the vinyl side of things. They've been in a constant in my bag since day one. I'm feeling the Ibex as well, it's next in the shopping wishlist, more quality stuff from Mr. Ollivera. It's also nice to buy a record at the domestic price of $7.69! With the dollar being so weak and US distribution being a mere shadow of what it once was, its nice to get a bone thrown our way every once in a while. jw On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No I did that (though not as Ibex Ken as I didn't know that was him until I'd > done his real name). However there wasn't much there > so I thought I'd ask anyway. > > And as for my flashbacks, the reason he seemed familiar without me being able > to place him was I absolutely love Detroit Escalator > Company. So I was going mad at myself when Tris said that was him but felt > better when it turned out it was Neil whose name would > have penetrated the dark treacle I call my brain. > > Robin, you've been sleeping as they've had his new stuff in Piccadilly. I > got a fab one that's not under his own name and listened > another that wasn't. However I can't be precise or link as I can't now find > them on the site. I'm searching on mis-spellings of > his name as I write. I'll mail that goodie from home (at work now) if I > can't find it there. > > > > > From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 04 April 2008 13:11 > > > > > You just want someone to log in and cut and paste the url for you innit > > Francis! ;-) > > -- Technoir Audio http://www.technoiraudio.com "dealing with your imperfect world"
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No I did that (though not as Ibex Ken as I didn't know that was him until I'd done his real name). However there wasn't much there so I thought I'd ask anyway. And as for my flashbacks, the reason he seemed familiar without me being able to place him was I absolutely love Detroit Escalator Company. So I was going mad at myself when Tris said that was him but felt better when it turned out it was Neil whose name would have penetrated the dark treacle I call my brain. Robin, you've been sleeping as they've had his new stuff in Piccadilly. I got a fab one that's not under his own name and listened another that wasn't. However I can't be precise or link as I can't now find them on the site. I'm searching on mis-spellings of his name as I write. I'll mail that goodie from home (at work now) if I can't find it there. > From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 04 April 2008 13:11 > > You just want someone to log in and cut and paste the url for you innit > Francis! ;-)
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Its on a new label called Ibex, here's the page where you can find more info/soundclips: http://factcheckr.blogspot.com Just need to scroll down to the bottom. Marina Tristan Watkins wrote: - Original Message - From: "robin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313 Org" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 1:26 PM Subject: Re: (313) Returning this week > Detroit Escalator Company. he also wrote some really long thesis or something about electronic music IIRC. Brother Neil is Ibex of Planet E fame. Is the book you refer to "Reality Slap"? (Neil is the author of that.) Yep, that's what I was thinking of. Reversed. Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
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- Original Message - From: "robin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313 Org" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 1:26 PM Subject: Re: (313) Returning this week > Detroit Escalator Company. he also wrote some really long thesis or something about electronic music IIRC. Brother Neil is Ibex of Planet E fame. Is the book you refer to "Reality Slap"? (Neil is the author of that.) Yep, that's what I was thinking of. Reversed. Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
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Detroit Escalator Company. he also wrote some really long thesis or something about electronic music IIRC. Brother Neil is Ibex of Planet E fame. Is the book you refer to "Reality Slap"? (Neil is the author of that.) A worthwhile read. robin...
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- Original Message - From: "Odeluga, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 1:10 PM Subject: RE: (313) Returning this week http://www.discogs.com/artist/Ibex Oops. I see I got those totally flip-flopped. Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
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On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Tristan Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Detroit Escalator Company. he also wrote some really long thesis or > something about electronic music IIRC. Brother Neil is Ibex of Planet E > fame. you've got it backwards! tom
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Original Message - From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 12:50 PM Subject: RE: (313) Returning this week Listened to that Ferox in Hardwax but didn't pick it up - assuming there's just one so far. There's more than one by Tony Ollivierra though, he's had at least 2, 1 I got, 1 passed on though it was OK. What things did he do in the past? I only know him as some seminal Detroit guy but not actually what he did (getting vague flashbacks as I write this!). Detroit Escalator Company. he also wrote some really long thesis or something about electronic music IIRC. Brother Neil is Ibex of Planet E fame. Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
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You just want someone to log in and cut and paste the url for you innit Francis! ;-) I loved his Ibex material. I'd like some links to the "new" stuff. Anyone? robin...
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You just want someone to log in and cut and paste the url for you innit Francis! ;-) http://www.discogs.com/artist/Ibex Check the links to His name and also DJ Slym Fas too. He hasn't done (or maybe I should say *released) a huge amount, but what he has done looks consistently interesting at least ... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 12:51 PM To: 313 Subject: RE: (313) Returning this week Listened to that Ferox in Hardwax but didn't pick it up - assuming there's just one so far. There's more than one by Tony Ollivierra though, he's had at least 2, 1 I got, 1 passed on though it was OK. What things did he do in the past? I only know him as some seminal Detroit guy but not actually what he did (getting vague flashbacks as I write this!). > From: David Beattie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 04 April 2008 11:51 > > spotted in one of my weekly shop mail outs 2 returns > this week that im interested in Tony Ollivierra and > the Ferox label. Anyone any reports on these or so I > need to wait until I pick mine up
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Listened to that Ferox in Hardwax but didn't pick it up - assuming there's just one so far. There's more than one by Tony Ollivierra though, he's had at least 2, 1 I got, 1 passed on though it was OK. What things did he do in the past? I only know him as some seminal Detroit guy but not actually what he did (getting vague flashbacks as I write this!). > From: David Beattie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 04 April 2008 11:51 > > spotted in one of my weekly shop mail outs 2 returns > this week that im interested in Tony Ollivierra and > the Ferox label. Anyone any reports on these or so I > need to wait until I pick mine up
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spotted in one of my weekly shop mail outs 2 returns this week that im interested in Tony Ollivierra and the Ferox label. Anyone any reports on these or so I need to wait until I pick mine up Cheers BT
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I kinda like the stuff she plays out..heard her quite a few times now and i it's always been good. She seems to know what she's on about, n-joys her sets and drops some nice electrotechnodubby (and sometimes some minimal) tunez.. I know this list tends to say 'stop' and turn away when it comes to the (according to he list) so-called 'hip/minimal/overground/(non)commercial/berlin/paris'stuff... So I probably shouldn't be saying out loud here that I like Ellen Allien's new mix;-) No flames please -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Michael Kuszynski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: vrijdag 4 april 2008 12:25 Aan: Matt Kane's Brain; 313@hyperreal.org Onderwerp: Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? i have a personal bias where i associate all things hipster or minimal or just not that good but clinging to underground as associated with the latest faces of brooklyn and berlin. i think its my own face at issue so i urge some flex as i rant on. On 4/3/08, Matt Kane's Brain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Apr 3, 2008, at 10:11 PM, Michael Kuszynski wrote: > > btw, I love brooklyn and I would probably love Berlin, but the whole > > ironic minimal thing needs to grow up. I guess the recession will > > make that happen. > > > I fail to see the connection? > > -- > matt kane's brain > http://hydrogenproject.com > aim -> mkbatwerk > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- --- Michael Kuszynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.planerecordings.com New York, NY Woningcorporatie Woonconcept zorgt voor veilige woonruimte van goede kwaliteit voor mensen, die daar zelfstandig niet in kunnen voorzien. En wij doen meer dan bouwen, zorgvuldig beheren en verhuren. We zetten ons in voor de leefbaarheid in de breedste zin van het woord.
RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?
Is 'minimal' meant to be ironic? LOL! Shades of Alanis Morris Morrisette. -Original Message- From: Michael Kuszynski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 11:25 AM To: Matt Kane's Brain; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? i have a personal bias where i associate all things hipster or minimal or just not that good but clinging to underground as associated with the latest faces of brooklyn and berlin. i think its my own face at issue so i urge some flex as i rant on. On 4/3/08, Matt Kane's Brain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Apr 3, 2008, at 10:11 PM, Michael Kuszynski wrote: > > btw, I love brooklyn and I would probably love Berlin, but the whole > > ironic minimal thing needs to grow up. I guess the recession will > > make that happen. > > > I fail to see the connection? > > -- > matt kane's brain > http://hydrogenproject.com > aim -> mkbatwerk > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- --- Michael Kuszynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.planerecordings.com New York, NY
Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?
i have a personal bias where i associate all things hipster or minimal or just not that good but clinging to underground as associated with the latest faces of brooklyn and berlin. i think its my own face at issue so i urge some flex as i rant on. On 4/3/08, Matt Kane's Brain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Apr 3, 2008, at 10:11 PM, Michael Kuszynski wrote: > > btw, I love brooklyn and I would probably love Berlin, but the whole > > ironic minimal thing needs to grow up. I guess the recession will > > make that happen. > > > I fail to see the connection? > > -- > matt kane's brain > http://hydrogenproject.com > aim -> mkbatwerk > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- --- Michael Kuszynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.planerecordings.com New York, NY
RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?
One of the few Berliner DJs I've seen live in their home city. It was a while ago in a small pokey venue, but she was pretty ace and across the board in her selection and also mixing technique. As with most people in most areas of life, take away the fee-based deal to keep the pot boiling, put 'em in an environment where they're comfortable with people they trust and they'll have fun - and be entertaining, most likely. -Original Message- From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 6:53 PM To: Michael Kuszynski Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? I've heard recordings of her live sets which ostensibly have no licensing restrictions, and they can be really good OR really boring. I've not heard any of her commercial mixes but the only other review I read of this one says it is wiped upon the floor by Weiss.Mix and its contemporaries On Apr 3, 2008, at 1:47 PM, Michael Kuszynski wrote: > i imagine it has more to do with licensing and marketing fees than > taste. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim -> mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
