Re: (313) DJ Bone denied entry into UK
My friend got turned back in uk. He got busted when they got suspicious and googled his name. he was down for playing one festival. so best not to use your real name. my friends band that just toured states and europe got past immigration by shipping all there ampeg amps etc over before hand. This is easier than obtaining an artist/ working visa so they told me. Another trick they use is to get a fake reciept for a recording studio. countries like to see your spending money in their country. If your a self funded DIY artist with no friends in the other country it is almost imposible to go over with a working visa. luckily japan doesn't seem to be so strict..went over a few months ago with all my gear didn't even blink. latersss On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:48 AM, atomly wrote: > [jonathan morse ] >> On 17August2009, at 16:27 , kent williams wrote: >> >You A) don't travel with a load of gear, beyond a laptop B) don't show >> >up as re-entering the same country multiple times in the same year. >> yeah but that beard just screams "why yes, i would love a Body Cavity >> Search thank you for asking" >> >> ; ) > > Haha... Good (scary) to see what you really think of me. :P > > And, to Kent, Yeah, I mean there are obviously things you can do to > mitigate the risk of being denied entry when you're still at the illegal > stage, but I was just trying to point out to people who try to make it > as simple as, "if you don't have a work visa, you shouldn't play," that > for a large portion of artists, that's just not financially possible. > > -- > :: atomly :: > > [ ato...@atomly.com : www.atomly.com : http://blog.atomly.com/ ... > [ atomiq records : new york city : +1.917.442.9450 ... > [ e-mail atomly-news-subscr...@atomly.com for atomly info and updates ... >
Re: (313) DJ Bone denied entry into UK
[jonathan morse ] > On 17August2009, at 16:27 , kent williams wrote: > >You A) don't travel with a load of gear, beyond a laptop B) don't show > >up as re-entering the same country multiple times in the same year. > yeah but that beard just screams "why yes, i would love a Body Cavity > Search thank you for asking" > > ; ) Haha... Good (scary) to see what you really think of me. :P And, to Kent, Yeah, I mean there are obviously things you can do to mitigate the risk of being denied entry when you're still at the illegal stage, but I was just trying to point out to people who try to make it as simple as, "if you don't have a work visa, you shouldn't play," that for a large portion of artists, that's just not financially possible. -- :: atomly :: [ ato...@atomly.com : www.atomly.com : http://blog.atomly.com/ ... [ atomiq records : new york city : +1.917.442.9450 ... [ e-mail atomly-news-subscr...@atomly.com for atomly info and updates ...
Re: (313) DJ Bone denied entry into UK
You A) don't travel with a load of gear, beyond a laptop B) don't show up as re-entering the same country multiple times in the same year. In a sense, getting sent home is a sort of perverse sign you've arrived. I did find out this weekend how to get the hairy eyeball from everyone in uniform in the Salt Lake City airport yesterday: don't shave for a week, wear dark glasses and a Moodyman T Shirt. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 3:03 PM, atomly wrote: > ["Odeluga, Ken" ] >> But if you haven't got a visa/work permit, you haven't got a visa/work >> permit. >> >> I'm no apologist for regulations or overzealous bureaucracy, but the >> fact that the rules have been re-tightened in recent years has been >> made crystal clear. >> >> If the paper work is not in your possession before you travel, you're >> making an unwise decision to get on that plane. >> >> It's the responsibility of the agent and the promoter to make sure >> that this paper work has been dealt with before the artist departs. >> >> If it's not been taken care of, this is not a very professional thing >> to let happen. >> >> You can't buck reality unfortunately. It's not a question of >> generosity or not on the part of the immigration staff. >> >> It just is. >> >> Nowadays, anyway. >> >> And the immigration regulations for Europeans wanting to do temporary >> work in the States are just as stringent, by the way. > > > Well, this is all very easy to say, but the reality of the situation is > such, then, that this means you'll be seeing a lot less artists > (particularly smaller, up-and-coming artists) coming through your town. > For example, I know there are many gigs I've played in the past where > they simply would not have happened had I actually tried to do > everything legally, because financially it just would not have been > feasible. > > -- > :: atomly :: > > [ ato...@atomly.com : www.atomly.com : http://blog.atomly.com/ ... > [ atomiq records : new york city : +1.917.442.9450 ... > [ e-mail atomly-news-subscr...@atomly.com for atomly info and updates ... >
Re: (313) DJ Bone denied entry into UK
["Odeluga, Ken" ] > But if you haven't got a visa/work permit, you haven't got a visa/work permit. > > I'm no apologist for regulations or overzealous bureaucracy, but the > fact that the rules have been re-tightened in recent years has been > made crystal clear. > > If the paper work is not in your possession before you travel, you're > making an unwise decision to get on that plane. > > It's the responsibility of the agent and the promoter to make sure > that this paper work has been dealt with before the artist departs. > > If it's not been taken care of, this is not a very professional thing > to let happen. > > You can't buck reality unfortunately. It's not a question of > generosity or not on the part of the immigration staff. > > It just is. > > Nowadays, anyway. > > And the immigration regulations for Europeans wanting to do temporary > work in the States are just as stringent, by the way. Well, this is all very easy to say, but the reality of the situation is such, then, that this means you'll be seeing a lot less artists (particularly smaller, up-and-coming artists) coming through your town. For example, I know there are many gigs I've played in the past where they simply would not have happened had I actually tried to do everything legally, because financially it just would not have been feasible. -- :: atomly :: [ ato...@atomly.com : www.atomly.com : http://blog.atomly.com/ ... [ atomiq records : new york city : +1.917.442.9450 ... [ e-mail atomly-news-subscr...@atomly.com for atomly info and updates ...
Re: (313) sound of detroit
It's a shame us US folk can't get Carhartt streetwear here. :( = Southern Outpost http://www.southernoutpost.com Sydney - San Francisco - Berlin Infiltrating your sound systems = On Aug 17, 2009, at 11:31 AM, Frank Glazer wrote: these are totally awesome. i'm buying both! On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Marsel van der Wielen wrote: fun http://www.carhartt-streetwear.com/products/fw09/mens/tshirts/O444223 http://www.carhartt-streetwear.com/products/fw09/mens/tshirts/U359223 -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
Re: (313) dj bone
I got grilled by a border guard last time i went to the festival whose suspicions were aroused by my saying i was going to Detroit for a holiday! > > PS. above actually did happen to someone who visited submerge when he had a > stop-over in Detroit ;-) -- matt chester 11th hour recordings matt-chester.com myspace.com/mattchester1
Re: (313) dj bone
He probably mentioned that he wanted to go to a party where his good friend Aril Brikha who was born in Iran was playing. And to make it a special party who bought some brand new records from this store called Submerge from a group called Underground Resistance ;-) KJ PS. above actually did happen to someone who visited submerge when he had a stop-over in Detroit ;-) Oh do i really have to say that he did made it to his flight but got a nice little chat with airport security for about 5 hours ;-) On 17 aug 2009, at 20:00, jdmo...@frontiernet.net wrote: id be curious to hear direct form bone what the "interview" entailed in terms of line(s) of questioning because if i didnt know any better id say that being black and from the city with the highest muslim population in the country, let alone trying to get in on an artists visa if one was acquired, fits a known profile and was the mitigating factor in this experience. im not saying its right or wrong, im just saying...
Re: (313) DJ Bone denied entry into UK
There was this dutch couple last year (or 2 years ago) who went on an extended vacation and went from cost to cost to the US. They were stupid enough te let their tourist visa expired. So they got pulled over by some highway patrol and he noticed that is expired, he arrests the couple and they end up in jail due to something in that Homeland Security thingie they have in the US. They got out 3 months later... I had my experiences as well with US immigrations, being shouted at and humilliated just for picking up a bag without that Immigration officer saying i could, trying to turn on a laptop when an immigration officer asked me if it could be turned on (how the hell could i know she wanted to do that). I have heard tons of stories like mine from friends and colleagues who went to the US. Oh yeah and after all this you always immediatly pass a big sign saying "welcome to the united states of america", they sure know their sarcasm ;-) On 17 aug 2009, at 19:53, Matt Chester wrote: This is a good point - whereas pre 2001 if you managed to get away with it once but got pulled up another time they would tend to be lenient, these days if they get the slightest whiff that you'd broken the rules in the past they will have no second thoughts about denying you entry on a permanent basis. A friend of mine who's a visual artist lived in NYC for 10 years on a legit visa, but recently had some irregularity on a tourist visa to go back there, and in the process they found that she had overstayed her work visa previously by 5 days - she is now barred from getting a working visa for the US for life. If you're going to play internationally, you pretty much have to follow the rules, because they WILL catch up with you eventually, and they usually get really upset if they realize you've been working in their country without a visa and getting away with it. -- matt chester 11th hour recordings matt-chester.com myspace.com/mattchester1
(313) dj bone
id be curious to hear direct form bone what the "interview" entailed in terms of line(s) of questioning because if i didnt know any better id say that being black and from the city with the highest muslim population in the country, let alone trying to get in on an artists visa if one was acquired, fits a known profile and was the mitigating factor in this experience. im not saying its right or wrong, im just saying...
Re: (313) DJ Bone denied entry into UK
This is a good point - whereas pre 2001 if you managed to get away with it once but got pulled up another time they would tend to be lenient, these days if they get the slightest whiff that you'd broken the rules in the past they will have no second thoughts about denying you entry on a permanent basis. A friend of mine who's a visual artist lived in NYC for 10 years on a legit visa, but recently had some irregularity on a tourist visa to go back there, and in the process they found that she had overstayed her work visa previously by 5 days - she is now barred from getting a working visa for the US for life. If you're going to play internationally, you pretty much > have to follow the rules, because they WILL catch up with you > eventually, and they usually get really upset if they realize you've > been working in their country without a visa and getting away with it. -- matt chester 11th hour recordings matt-chester.com myspace.com/mattchester1
Re: (313) DJ Bone denied entry into UK
It's not a security measure at all. It's strictly a matter of immigration law. Such laws make no distinction between brick layers and DJs. If you're going to play internationally, you pretty much have to follow the rules, because they WILL catch up with you eventually, and they usually get really upset if they realize you've been working in their country without a visa and getting away with it. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:34 PM, ja...@iridite.com wrote: > At least two of these examples were work visa related, if not all three. > Glasgow Airport is definitely getting more sussed about DJs from the US, > even ones who are currently residing in another EU country (like Mr Oldham) > - they rarely let anyone through who says they have "commercial samples" > (ie promos) or who say they are just in the country visiting friends these > days. It's pretty expensive to get a short term work visa so I imagine it's > partially a security measure and partially a handy way of increasing the > Customs and Excise departments budget > cheers > Jason >
Re: (313) DJ Bone denied entry into UK
RE: this whole thing -- I report, you decide ;-) All countries are getting a lot tougher about work visa requirements. Sadly, a DJ who shows up with a record box will run into trouble, but going through immigration with a laptop won't trigger any scrutiny at all! And of course, if you get booked to play in another country, probably best to make the promoter figure out visa requirements for you up front. By the way, I just flew from Salt Lake, and got scanned with their fancy new X Ray Specs body scanner. They picked up a power bar wrapper in my pocket. Spooky.
Re: (313) DJ Bone denied entry into UK
I had this problem trying to get into Canada at Windsor border years ago... and that was before 9/11 even. ~David On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:23 AM, JT Stewart wrote: > You can go ahead and fly over without a work visabut anybody who > does this should be informed enough to know you don't tell UK customs > that you're there to DJ etc which I imagine Bone probably did. I > learned that the first (and only) time I flew direct to the UK and was > nearly denied entry. Arrived with $300 in my pocket and no phone > number for anyone.."Just here to hangout with friends" I said, whilst > towing 150 pounds of gear. They were aghast. Thankfully Alex Bond was > there to pick me up and diffused everything. And thankfully it was at > the Manchester Airport and not in London. >
Fwd: (313) DJ Bone denied entry into UK
Nothing beats the story (though I'm sure Ken can tell more accurately) of Heiroglyphic Being somehow taking a wrong turn at heathrow into a restricted area and managing to bypass security completely, only to then have to ask them from the other side to be let back in so he can collect his bags. Suprisingly enough he was turned back next time he tried to get into the country. ;) On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 4:23 PM, JT Stewart wrote: > > You can go ahead and fly over without a work visabut anybody who > does this should be informed enough to know you don't tell UK customs > that you're there to DJ etc which I imagine Bone probably did. I > learned that the first (and only) time I flew direct to the UK and was > nearly denied entry. Arrived with $300 in my pocket and no phone > number for anyone.."Just here to hangout with friends" I said, whilst > towing 150 pounds of gear. They were aghast. Thankfully Alex Bond was > there to pick me up and diffused everything. And thankfully it was at > the Manchester Airport and not in London. -- matt chester 11th hour recordings matt-chester.com myspace.com/mattchester1 -- matt chester 11th hour recordings matt-chester.com myspace.com/mattchester1
(313) Krakow
Hey 313 list Used to be a subscriber many years ago and have been away for a while. No idea if it's still thriving or a deserted wasteland these days, but here goes. I'm off to Krakow for my stag weekend on the 28th and was hoping any seasoned techno travellers could recommend any clubs, bars,record stores worth checking out. If anyone knows of anything specifically going on that weekend that would be even better. Don't necessarily have to be techno clubs, anywhere playing good music, be it house, funk, soul etc... Thanks in advance Stewart Caig (Used to be stewart @ digital-soul)
Re: (313) sound of detroit
these are totally awesome. i'm buying both! On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Marsel van der Wielen wrote: > fun > http://www.carhartt-streetwear.com/products/fw09/mens/tshirts/O444223 > http://www.carhartt-streetwear.com/products/fw09/mens/tshirts/U359223 > -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
(313) sound of detroit
fun http://www.carhartt-streetwear.com/products/fw09/mens/tshirts/O444223 http://www.carhartt-streetwear.com/products/fw09/mens/tshirts/U359223
Re: (313) DJ Bone denied entry into UK
You can go ahead and fly over without a work visabut anybody who does this should be informed enough to know you don't tell UK customs that you're there to DJ etc which I imagine Bone probably did. I learned that the first (and only) time I flew direct to the UK and was nearly denied entry. Arrived with $300 in my pocket and no phone number for anyone.."Just here to hangout with friends" I said, whilst towing 150 pounds of gear. They were aghast. Thankfully Alex Bond was there to pick me up and diffused everything. And thankfully it was at the Manchester Airport and not in London.
(313) The Vault - July 29, 2009 feat. Sutekh
Show archives are available online. To get to them, visit www.AntonBanks.com and click on "Archives". Planned guests for the next few weeks: TBA CLICK THE LINK TO HEAR THE SHOW http://www.antonbanks.com/audio/the_vault_07-29-09.mp3 Tracklist for the show: Blind Minded, Underground Life, Trapez Elektrosandy, Immer Weiter, Perten_nce Paul Kalkbrenner, A Square 1, BPitch Murray Head, Chess, One Night in Bangkok, RCA Roland M Dill, Candy Mountain, Trapez Devilfish Vs Alex Brinken, Silicon Heart, Crunchy Beats, Ahoren Applescal, Funk & FC, Traum ### Mix By Sutekh For information about him, please visit http://context.fm/blog/ Tracklisting not available ### Recloose, Four Ways Of Saying Goodbye, Spelunking, Planet-E Enjoy, Anton --- Click for info about the show: www.antonbanks.com/bio.html *** I appreciate all promotional music sent to me and will never sell any of it online or anywhere else. All promotional material sent to me is aired on my show as well as used in my DJ sets when I play out.
Re: (313) DJ Bone denied entry into UK
Yeah, I don't know how I was allowed to sneak into the UK while I was working for Psychic TV for all those years. But then again, GP-O and family where tossed out of the UK. I would not bother going to the UK without a work permit these days. EU no problem. telepathic regards, the kooky scientist - Original Message - From: "Ken Odeluga" To: "gavin morrissey" , "Klaas-Jan Jongsma" Cc: "kent williams" , "list 313" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 4:40:17 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: (313) DJ Bone denied entry into UK But if you haven't got a visa/work permit, you haven't got a visa/work permit. I'm no apologist for regulations or overzealous bureaucracy, but the fact that the rules have been re-tightened in recent years has been made crystal clear. If the paper work is not in your possession before you travel, you're making an unwise decision to get on that plane. It's the responsibility of the agent and the promoter to make sure that this paper work has been dealt with before the artist departs. If it's not been taken care of, this is not a very professional thing to let happen. You can't buck reality unfortunately. It's not a question of generosity or not on the part of the immigration staff. It just is. Nowadays, anyway. And the immigration regulations for Europeans wanting to do temporary work in the States are just as stringent, by the way. Ken Odeluga Copy Editor, Markets - Market Talk -Original Message- From: gavin morrissey [mailto:gavinmorris...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 9:30 AM To: Klaas-Jan Jongsma Cc: kent williams; list 313 Subject: Re: (313) DJ Bone denied entry into UK this seems to happen a lot with artists from the US in the last couple of years, I know the same happened to Egyptian Lover a while back and I heard that Stingray and Alan Oldham had similar problems recently. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote: > > Weird story, the post did not mention what the reason was for british > immigration to deny him access. I mean i don't think they randomly deny > people access just for fun. Anyone know what that reason was? > > KJ > > > On 17 aug 2009, at 07:06, kent williams wrote: > >> News from Ahne about DJ Bone's ridiculous experience with British >> immigration... >> >> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=114649423281 >
Re: (313) DJ Bone denied entry into UK
there doesn't seem to be the same problems with other European nations though On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Odeluga, Ken wrote: > But if you haven't got a visa/work permit, you haven't got a visa/work permit. > > I'm no apologist for regulations or overzealous bureaucracy, but the fact > that the rules have been re-tightened in recent years has been made crystal > clear. > > If the paper work is not in your possession before you travel, you're making > an unwise decision to get on that plane. > > It's the responsibility of the agent and the promoter to make sure that this > paper work has been dealt with before the artist departs. > > If it's not been taken care of, this is not a very professional thing to let > happen. > > You can't buck reality unfortunately. It's not a question of generosity or > not on the part of the immigration staff. > > It just is. > > Nowadays, anyway. > > And the immigration regulations for Europeans wanting to do temporary work in > the States are just as stringent, by the way. > > > > > Ken Odeluga > Copy Editor, Markets - Market Talk > -Original Message- > From: gavin morrissey [mailto:gavinmorris...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 9:30 AM > To: Klaas-Jan Jongsma > Cc: kent williams; list 313 > Subject: Re: (313) DJ Bone denied entry into UK > > this seems to happen a lot with artists from the US in the last couple > of years, I know the same happened to Egyptian Lover a while back and > I heard that Stingray and Alan Oldham had similar problems recently. > > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote: >> >> Weird story, the post did not mention what the reason was for british >> immigration to deny him access. I mean i don't think they randomly deny >> people access just for fun. Anyone know what that reason was? >> >> KJ >> >> >> On 17 aug 2009, at 07:06, kent williams wrote: >> >>> News from Ahne about DJ Bone's ridiculous experience with British >>> immigration... >>> >>> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=114649423281 >> >
RE: (313) DJ Bone denied entry into UK
But if you haven't got a visa/work permit, you haven't got a visa/work permit. I'm no apologist for regulations or overzealous bureaucracy, but the fact that the rules have been re-tightened in recent years has been made crystal clear. If the paper work is not in your possession before you travel, you're making an unwise decision to get on that plane. It's the responsibility of the agent and the promoter to make sure that this paper work has been dealt with before the artist departs. If it's not been taken care of, this is not a very professional thing to let happen. You can't buck reality unfortunately. It's not a question of generosity or not on the part of the immigration staff. It just is. Nowadays, anyway. And the immigration regulations for Europeans wanting to do temporary work in the States are just as stringent, by the way. Ken Odeluga Copy Editor, Markets - Market Talk -Original Message- From: gavin morrissey [mailto:gavinmorris...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 9:30 AM To: Klaas-Jan Jongsma Cc: kent williams; list 313 Subject: Re: (313) DJ Bone denied entry into UK this seems to happen a lot with artists from the US in the last couple of years, I know the same happened to Egyptian Lover a while back and I heard that Stingray and Alan Oldham had similar problems recently. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote: > > Weird story, the post did not mention what the reason was for british > immigration to deny him access. I mean i don't think they randomly deny > people access just for fun. Anyone know what that reason was? > > KJ > > > On 17 aug 2009, at 07:06, kent williams wrote: > >> News from Ahne about DJ Bone's ridiculous experience with British >> immigration... >> >> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=114649423281 >
Re: (313) DJ Bone denied entry into UK
this seems to happen a lot with artists from the US in the last couple of years, I know the same happened to Egyptian Lover a while back and I heard that Stingray and Alan Oldham had similar problems recently. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote: > > Weird story, the post did not mention what the reason was for british > immigration to deny him access. I mean i don't think they randomly deny > people access just for fun. Anyone know what that reason was? > > KJ > > > On 17 aug 2009, at 07:06, kent williams wrote: > >> News from Ahne about DJ Bone's ridiculous experience with British >> immigration... >> >> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=114649423281 >
