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Pics of the original vinyl from the early '80s: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanjunell/348052866 On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Kevin Kennedy wrote: > All of the edits I've done (and frankly I can only speak to my own > philosophy on this) have been kind of personal. I wanted to do > Kraftwerk's Hall of Mirrors and re-vision it as a near tech-house > groove...I wanted to see if I could make a song by The System sound > like an industrial track...I wanted to make a cheesy rock song like > 'love is like oxygen' a stomper. All of the edits I've done have my > personality built into them, they have many of my signatures: drum > programming, new or reworked basslines, etc. > > I did these things not to 'improve' them, as they were strong > tracks to begin with and tracks I liked to start out with. I did them > in MY style-creating something for my own DJ sets and the like. > > I really don't know why others do edits (money, power, respect?) > however I to this point had not done any...most of this has been > practice for remixing for me. > > And yes, Abelton Live is a GREAT program for mangling and > re-arranging loops and samples. The key is the creativity of the user > with the tool...a chisel in a sculptor's hands rather than in the > hands of an auto tech I guess. > > And, sadly, there are so many things now that are released that DON'T > make the cut. Most are available on mp3. With that, I say...vote > with your feet. > > > I've had a gift of time to do something I've not done before, > and it seems to be paying dividends...you'll hear about it soon! > > Cheers listers! > > > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:44 AM, David Powers wrote: >> Meant to say: "life is too SHORT to waste time..." etc. >> >> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:43 AM, David Powers wrote: >>> Yeah, I mean I don't really listen all these edits, but if 1 minute of >>> cheese ruins 5 minutes of genius, what's wrong with improving it? That >>> said, I personally don't have time for such shenanigans, there are so >>> many good records out there already, life is too to waste time editing >>> ones that don't quite make the cut... >>> >>> Actually it's funny how many records aren't quite there, but would be >>> good if they just didn't have that one horrible sample or hit running >>> over top of things ruining them... >>> >>> ~David >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:29 AM, kent williams >>> wrote: If the original was good on its own terms, you don't improve it by editing it. There's a bazillion 'disco edits' right now, and they bother me because they take something with its own internal pace and flow, and fit it to the procrustean bed of DJ expediency. And usually, to fit the ADD no-soul mixing style of DJs who can't tell fake funk from real. The point being, it's great to sample but add something new, make it your own, be original with it. Just because Ableton Live makes it easy to chop tracks to pieces doesn't make it right. It's akin to bowdlerizing Shakespeare. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:12 AM, David Powers wrote: > What difference does "being true to the original make?" > >>> >> > > > > -- > fbk > > sleepengineering/absoloop US >
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All of the edits I've done (and frankly I can only speak to my own philosophy on this) have been kind of personal. I wanted to do Kraftwerk's Hall of Mirrors and re-vision it as a near tech-house groove...I wanted to see if I could make a song by The System sound like an industrial track...I wanted to make a cheesy rock song like 'love is like oxygen' a stomper. All of the edits I've done have my personality built into them, they have many of my signatures: drum programming, new or reworked basslines, etc. I did these things not to 'improve' them, as they were strong tracks to begin with and tracks I liked to start out with. I did them in MY style-creating something for my own DJ sets and the like. I really don't know why others do edits (money, power, respect?) however I to this point had not done any...most of this has been practice for remixing for me. And yes, Abelton Live is a GREAT program for mangling and re-arranging loops and samples. The key is the creativity of the user with the tool...a chisel in a sculptor's hands rather than in the hands of an auto tech I guess. And, sadly, there are so many things now that are released that DON'T make the cut. Most are available on mp3. With that, I say...vote with your feet. I've had a gift of time to do something I've not done before, and it seems to be paying dividends...you'll hear about it soon! Cheers listers! On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:44 AM, David Powers wrote: > Meant to say: "life is too SHORT to waste time..." etc. > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:43 AM, David Powers wrote: >> Yeah, I mean I don't really listen all these edits, but if 1 minute of >> cheese ruins 5 minutes of genius, what's wrong with improving it? That >> said, I personally don't have time for such shenanigans, there are so >> many good records out there already, life is too to waste time editing >> ones that don't quite make the cut... >> >> Actually it's funny how many records aren't quite there, but would be >> good if they just didn't have that one horrible sample or hit running >> over top of things ruining them... >> >> ~David >> >> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:29 AM, kent williams >> wrote: >>> If the original was good on its own terms, you don't improve it by >>> editing it. There's a bazillion 'disco edits' right now, and they >>> bother me because they take something with its own internal pace and >>> flow, and fit it to the procrustean bed of DJ expediency. And >>> usually, to fit the ADD no-soul mixing style of DJs who can't tell >>> fake funk from real. >>> >>> The point being, it's great to sample but add something new, make it >>> your own, be original with it. Just because Ableton Live makes it easy >>> to chop tracks to pieces doesn't make it right. It's akin to >>> bowdlerizing Shakespeare. >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:12 AM, David Powers wrote: What difference does "being true to the original make?" >>> >> > -- fbk sleepengineering/absoloop US
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Meant to say: "life is too SHORT to waste time..." etc. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:43 AM, David Powers wrote: > Yeah, I mean I don't really listen all these edits, but if 1 minute of > cheese ruins 5 minutes of genius, what's wrong with improving it? That > said, I personally don't have time for such shenanigans, there are so > many good records out there already, life is too to waste time editing > ones that don't quite make the cut... > > Actually it's funny how many records aren't quite there, but would be > good if they just didn't have that one horrible sample or hit running > over top of things ruining them... > > ~David > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:29 AM, kent williams > wrote: >> If the original was good on its own terms, you don't improve it by >> editing it. There's a bazillion 'disco edits' right now, and they >> bother me because they take something with its own internal pace and >> flow, and fit it to the procrustean bed of DJ expediency. And >> usually, to fit the ADD no-soul mixing style of DJs who can't tell >> fake funk from real. >> >> The point being, it's great to sample but add something new, make it >> your own, be original with it. Just because Ableton Live makes it easy >> to chop tracks to pieces doesn't make it right. It's akin to >> bowdlerizing Shakespeare. >> >> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:12 AM, David Powers wrote: >>> What difference does "being true to the original make?" >>> >> >
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Yeah, I mean I don't really listen all these edits, but if 1 minute of cheese ruins 5 minutes of genius, what's wrong with improving it? That said, I personally don't have time for such shenanigans, there are so many good records out there already, life is too to waste time editing ones that don't quite make the cut... Actually it's funny how many records aren't quite there, but would be good if they just didn't have that one horrible sample or hit running over top of things ruining them... ~David On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:29 AM, kent williams wrote: > If the original was good on its own terms, you don't improve it by > editing it. There's a bazillion 'disco edits' right now, and they > bother me because they take something with its own internal pace and > flow, and fit it to the procrustean bed of DJ expediency. And > usually, to fit the ADD no-soul mixing style of DJs who can't tell > fake funk from real. > > The point being, it's great to sample but add something new, make it > your own, be original with it. Just because Ableton Live makes it easy > to chop tracks to pieces doesn't make it right. It's akin to > bowdlerizing Shakespeare. > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:12 AM, David Powers wrote: >> What difference does "being true to the original make?" >> >
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If the original was good on its own terms, you don't improve it by editing it. There's a bazillion 'disco edits' right now, and they bother me because they take something with its own internal pace and flow, and fit it to the procrustean bed of DJ expediency. And usually, to fit the ADD no-soul mixing style of DJs who can't tell fake funk from real. The point being, it's great to sample but add something new, make it your own, be original with it. Just because Ableton Live makes it easy to chop tracks to pieces doesn't make it right. It's akin to bowdlerizing Shakespeare. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:12 AM, David Powers wrote: > What difference does "being true to the original make?" >
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On 13 Apr 2010, at 16:12, David Powers wrote: > What difference does "being true to the original make?" > > It's not like we are talking about Mozart or Beethoven here. I say if > it sounds better, it is better! > > ~David Hey David, I understand what he means, as an artist you have to take on the "spirit/vibe" of original piece and rework it to give a reply of some value - you have to get you or your ideas in, rather than just doing a cut and shut job. Makes sense to me anyways. m
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What difference does "being true to the original make?" It's not like we are talking about Mozart or Beethoven here. I say if it sounds better, it is better! ~David On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:13 AM, kent williams wrote: > A lot of Disco is 'naff and commercial' and still kicks butt. "Dr. > Love" for example. > > I had a long discussion with Tom Cox about disco edits and he made a > valid point -- either a track is too cheesy to play, or it isn't, and > playing an edit that cuts out the cheesy bits just isn't true to the > original. You need to embrace the 'naff and commercial' if it comes > with some soul. > > Not arguing with you, more of a 'yes, and' observation than a 'no, > but' disputation. > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Ravinder S Mann wrote: >> Tho' at the time I thought it was a bit naff and commercial. >
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After hearing all of this madness, buying the album, etc. I am thinking of editing/remixing 4 of the ragas...I will post the results if I do...I think there is something there for me...and I don't know that my current style of Djing will allow me to play them straight up...well, that and I've finished 12 others and am looking for a challenge:) Any interested in the Album edits (currently titled "Sauces and Pickles-excerpts from the joy of influence" let me know and I will post some more of the tunes...nothing really rare...just some of my favorite trax and stuff that's too slow for me to play in a 128-135 set. -- fbk sleepengineering/absoloop US
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On 13 Apr 2010, at 14:35, Robert Taylor wrote: > One word: ITALO Good point Rob...
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One word: ITALO Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Ravinder S Mann [mailto:rav.m...@gmail.com] Sent: 13 April 2010 14:34 To: kent williams Cc: Martin Dust; list 313 Subject: Re: (313) 303s, 808s and India I should reword really. Commercial doesn't bother me at all. I can do cheesy too as there's fun to be found (for a time). Tho' naff is naff. On 13 April 2010 14:13, kent williams wrote: > A lot of Disco is 'naff and commercial' and still kicks butt. "Dr. > Love" for example. > > I had a long discussion with Tom Cox about disco edits and he made a > valid point -- either a track is too cheesy to play, or it isn't, and > playing an edit that cuts out the cheesy bits just isn't true to the > original. You need to embrace the 'naff and commercial' if it comes > with some soul. > > Not arguing with you, more of a 'yes, and' observation than a 'no, > but' disputation. > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Ravinder S Mann wrote: >> Tho' at the time I thought it was a bit naff and commercial. > # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@channel4.co.uk Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
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I should reword really. Commercial doesn't bother me at all. I can do cheesy too as there's fun to be found (for a time). Tho' naff is naff. On 13 April 2010 14:13, kent williams wrote: > A lot of Disco is 'naff and commercial' and still kicks butt. "Dr. > Love" for example. > > I had a long discussion with Tom Cox about disco edits and he made a > valid point -- either a track is too cheesy to play, or it isn't, and > playing an edit that cuts out the cheesy bits just isn't true to the > original. You need to embrace the 'naff and commercial' if it comes > with some soul. > > Not arguing with you, more of a 'yes, and' observation than a 'no, > but' disputation. > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Ravinder S Mann wrote: >> Tho' at the time I thought it was a bit naff and commercial. >
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> > Tho' at the time I thought it was a bit naff and commercial. Nods, a lot of the UK Funky stuff sounds like this to me, my first track on a M1 or dial the worst sound ever - one of the main guys told me he did it as a joke m
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A lot of Disco is 'naff and commercial' and still kicks butt. "Dr. Love" for example. I had a long discussion with Tom Cox about disco edits and he made a valid point -- either a track is too cheesy to play, or it isn't, and playing an edit that cuts out the cheesy bits just isn't true to the original. You need to embrace the 'naff and commercial' if it comes with some soul. Not arguing with you, more of a 'yes, and' observation than a 'no, but' disputation. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Ravinder S Mann wrote: > Tho' at the time I thought it was a bit naff and commercial.
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Here's something else, Geeta on the money with this post. http://www.theoriginalsoundtrack.com/2010/04/further-thoughts-on-ten-ragas-to-a-disco-beat/ On 13 April 2010 14:01, Ravinder S Mann wrote: > Spot on Martin. Its all about cassettes and lofts, My sister has or at > least had loads of Bollywood soundtracks on cassettes. Some of the > disco based stuff was pretty good with real strings in retrospect. > Tho' at the time I thought it was a bit naff and commercial. > > On 13 April 2010 13:48, Martin Dust wrote: >> Had this for a while, it's cool and real. >> >> I honestly think there's probably a load more tracks/albums like this >> sitting in peoples' lofts on C60's. First band I saw using one was a club >> band doing cover versions! >> >> m >> >> On 13 Apr 2010, at 13:38, kent williams wrote: >> >>> I got the digital version of this the other day. I find it really >>> enjoyable listening, both for it's proto-techno qualities, but also >>> because of its inherent musicality. The guy plays some absolutely >>> ripping raga solos on the synth, generally using a legato, liquid >>> sounding synth patch. That combined with serious trackiness is just >>> wicked. >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 4:39 AM, Ravinder S Mann wrote: Bit of topic I know but it might be of interest to some. http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/apr/10/charanjit-singh-acid-house >> >> >
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Spot on Martin. Its all about cassettes and lofts, My sister has or at least had loads of Bollywood soundtracks on cassettes. Some of the disco based stuff was pretty good with real strings in retrospect. Tho' at the time I thought it was a bit naff and commercial. On 13 April 2010 13:48, Martin Dust wrote: > Had this for a while, it's cool and real. > > I honestly think there's probably a load more tracks/albums like this sitting > in peoples' lofts on C60's. First band I saw using one was a club band doing > cover versions! > > m > > On 13 Apr 2010, at 13:38, kent williams wrote: > >> I got the digital version of this the other day. I find it really >> enjoyable listening, both for it's proto-techno qualities, but also >> because of its inherent musicality. The guy plays some absolutely >> ripping raga solos on the synth, generally using a legato, liquid >> sounding synth patch. That combined with serious trackiness is just >> wicked. >> >> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 4:39 AM, Ravinder S Mann wrote: >>> Bit of topic I know but it might be of interest to some. >>> >>> >>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/apr/10/charanjit-singh-acid-house >>> > >
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when i was in india recently i bought a little bit of bollywood acid house...bappi lahiri jamed out the 303 in the 1983 movie WANTED dead or alive its friggin amazing acid meet moricone...so yeah i never thought about the date situation but it does pre-date acid house! i'm sure there is more out there...resonance is rife in indian classical music. its def legit On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Ravinder S Mann wrote: > Further clips. > > http://www.bombay-connection.com/en_GB/site/page/1/releases > > There loads of soundtrack based rock and roll/funk/disco/rap in > Bollywood movies as it tends to follow Hollywood music and western > popular music of the time. But this seems like a isolated development. > I guess Charanjit Singh could have been listening Moroder for want of > a better example but the Disco Ragas are more acid-ic and not of the > same ilk as Moroder, Kraftwerk. > > On 13 April 2010 12:43, wrote: >> Mate you have a funny idea of off topic! >> >> Sure this falls right within most people on here's area of interest. >> >> Had heard of this before recently (in connection with a comp I think). >> >> Been dying to hear it, anyone know if there if a clip anywhere online? >> >> Indian makes acid house record 5 years before Phuture!?!? >> >> >> >>> -Original Message----- >>> From: Ravinder S Mann [mailto:rav.m...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: 13 April 2010 10:39 >>> To: list 313 >>> Subject: (313) 303s, 808s and India >>> >>> Bit of topic I know but it might be of interest to some. >>> >>> >>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/apr/10/charanjit-singh-acid-house >> >> >
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Had this for a while, it's cool and real. I honestly think there's probably a load more tracks/albums like this sitting in peoples' lofts on C60's. First band I saw using one was a club band doing cover versions! m On 13 Apr 2010, at 13:38, kent williams wrote: > I got the digital version of this the other day. I find it really > enjoyable listening, both for it's proto-techno qualities, but also > because of its inherent musicality. The guy plays some absolutely > ripping raga solos on the synth, generally using a legato, liquid > sounding synth patch. That combined with serious trackiness is just > wicked. > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 4:39 AM, Ravinder S Mann wrote: >> Bit of topic I know but it might be of interest to some. >> >> >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/apr/10/charanjit-singh-acid-house >>
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i got a copy, think its legit after reading this http://ghostcapital.blogspot.com/2010/03/charanjit-singh-synthesizing-ten-ragas.html mental original sleeve aswell... p On 13 Apr 2010, at 13:42, Placid wrote: > i got a copy, think its legit after reading this > > http://ghostcapital.blogspot.com/2010/03/charanjit-singh-synthesizing-ten-ragas.html > > mental original sleeve aswell... > > p > On 13 Apr 2010, at 13:34, Odeluga, Ken wrote: > >> >> >> Re clips? yeah man. >> >> Right here: >> >> http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=288726 >> >> I'm not 100% convinced they're genuinely as old as they're made out to be. >> >> But, I am becoming more and more convinced as time goes on and people who >> seem to know what they're talking about say they think they're real. >> >> Anyway, it's great music, regardless of when it was made, or indeed by whom! >> >> Ken >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: fran...@thatamazingthing.com [mailto:fran...@thatamazingthing.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 12:44 PM >> To: 313@hyperreal.org >> Subject: RE: (313) 303s, 808s and India >> >> Mate you have a funny idea of off topic! >> >> Sure this falls right within most people on here's area of interest. >> >> Had heard of this before recently (in connection with a comp I think). >> >> Been dying to hear it, anyone know if there if a clip anywhere online? >> >> Indian makes acid house record 5 years before Phuture!?!? >> >> >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Ravinder S Mann [mailto:rav.m...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: 13 April 2010 10:39 >>> To: list 313 >>> Subject: (313) 303s, 808s and India >>> >>> Bit of topic I know but it might be of interest to some. >>> >>> >>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/apr/10/charanjit-singh-acid-house >
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I got the digital version of this the other day. I find it really enjoyable listening, both for it's proto-techno qualities, but also because of its inherent musicality. The guy plays some absolutely ripping raga solos on the synth, generally using a legato, liquid sounding synth patch. That combined with serious trackiness is just wicked. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 4:39 AM, Ravinder S Mann wrote: > Bit of topic I know but it might be of interest to some. > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/apr/10/charanjit-singh-acid-house >
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Re clips? yeah man. Right here: http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=288726 I'm not 100% convinced they're genuinely as old as they're made out to be. But, I am becoming more and more convinced as time goes on and people who seem to know what they're talking about say they think they're real. Anyway, it's great music, regardless of when it was made, or indeed by whom! Ken -Original Message- From: fran...@thatamazingthing.com [mailto:fran...@thatamazingthing.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 12:44 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) 303s, 808s and India Mate you have a funny idea of off topic! Sure this falls right within most people on here's area of interest. Had heard of this before recently (in connection with a comp I think). Been dying to hear it, anyone know if there if a clip anywhere online? Indian makes acid house record 5 years before Phuture!?!? > -Original Message- > From: Ravinder S Mann [mailto:rav.m...@gmail.com] > Sent: 13 April 2010 10:39 > To: list 313 > Subject: (313) 303s, 808s and India > > Bit of topic I know but it might be of interest to some. > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/apr/10/charanjit-singh-acid-house
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Further clips. http://www.bombay-connection.com/en_GB/site/page/1/releases There loads of soundtrack based rock and roll/funk/disco/rap in Bollywood movies as it tends to follow Hollywood music and western popular music of the time. But this seems like a isolated development. I guess Charanjit Singh could have been listening Moroder for want of a better example but the Disco Ragas are more acid-ic and not of the same ilk as Moroder, Kraftwerk. On 13 April 2010 12:43, wrote: > Mate you have a funny idea of off topic! > > Sure this falls right within most people on here's area of interest. > > Had heard of this before recently (in connection with a comp I think). > > Been dying to hear it, anyone know if there if a clip anywhere online? > > Indian makes acid house record 5 years before Phuture!?!? > > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Ravinder S Mann [mailto:rav.m...@gmail.com] >> Sent: 13 April 2010 10:39 >> To: list 313 >> Subject: (313) 303s, 808s and India >> >> Bit of topic I know but it might be of interest to some. >> >> >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/apr/10/charanjit-singh-acid-house > >
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Sorry, just had the link in the article pointed out to me. NP! What do folks think? > -Original Message- > From: fran...@thatamazingthing.com [mailto:fran...@thatamazingthing.com] > Sent: 13 April 2010 12:44 > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: (313) 303s, 808s and India > > Mate you have a funny idea of off topic! > > Sure this falls right within most people on here's area of interest. > > Had heard of this before recently (in connection with a comp I think). > > Been dying to hear it, anyone know if there if a clip anywhere online? > > Indian makes acid house record 5 years before Phuture!?!? > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ravinder S Mann [mailto:rav.m...@gmail.com] > > Sent: 13 April 2010 10:39 > > To: list 313 > > Subject: (313) 303s, 808s and India > > > > Bit of topic I know but it might be of interest to some. > > > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/apr/10/charanjit-singh-acid-house
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Mate you have a funny idea of off topic! Sure this falls right within most people on here's area of interest. Had heard of this before recently (in connection with a comp I think). Been dying to hear it, anyone know if there if a clip anywhere online? Indian makes acid house record 5 years before Phuture!?!? > -Original Message- > From: Ravinder S Mann [mailto:rav.m...@gmail.com] > Sent: 13 April 2010 10:39 > To: list 313 > Subject: (313) 303s, 808s and India > > Bit of topic I know but it might be of interest to some. > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/apr/10/charanjit-singh-acid-house
(313) 303s, 808s and India
Bit of topic I know but it might be of interest to some. http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/apr/10/charanjit-singh-acid-house
