Re: (313) Christian Marclay (was Research question about vinyl manipulation)
Sounds very cool! Thanks for all the info, fbk! On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Kevin Kennedy wrote: > Guessing I should chime in. > > What Christian Marclay does is actually an extension of what many > of the DMC battle champions started doing. Using tape, or other means > to get a record to skip (in time, or a controlled skip). I've used > the technique before and it is a bunch of fun...When I was creating > musique concrete/experimental works, the turntable was my fourth > instrument usually. > > Using four turntables and marking all your records like Marclay does > is pretty interesting, yet the problem is that after awhile, you just > kind of get the feeling that he was done halfway into his performance? > > You can use glue to do it...DAC Crowell at one point got an old > dubplate from Jamaica which had a skip in it (chocolate...LOL), most > guys that I've known to 'mark' their records used the labels from > cassette tapes (remember those things???) > > Denise, your question just made me nostalgicI'm remembering how > I taught myself how to cut a locked groove on an old rek-o-cut mono > lathe...and how proud I was:) > > > > > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:07 AM, AntonBanks.com wrote: >> Really interesting topic! >> >> I don't mean to derail the conversation but this link got me thinking... >> >> I'd never heard of Christian Marclay before so I checked out the links. I >> don’t find myself saying this too often but I REALLY don't get his music. I >> thought this wass odd because I've come to really like ambient and >> soundscapes. I can tell that there is a definite purpose behind what he is >> doing. Wikipedia pegs him as the "unwitting inventor of turntablism" and I >> agree with that statement. You can certainly learn a few turntablism >> techniques by watching what he does. It's just that the overall performance >> is totally lost on me. >> >> -ant- >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Mike Taylor [mailto:disconihil...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 6:58 PM >> To: 313-digest-h...@hyperreal.org >> Cc: 313@hyperreal.org >> Subject: (313) Re: Research question about vinyl manipulation >> >> >> I don't know if anyone in the dance scene has done anything like this. This >> kind of stuff falls more into the noise scene. I can remember the Time >> Stereo guys drilling holes in records so that they would play off center and >> sound wobbly, but that is the only thing that comes to mind. >> >> This guy has made a career of that gimmick: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Marclay >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIFH4XHU228 >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVr-_lGxib4 >> >>> -- Forwarded message -- >>> From: Denise Dalphond >>> To: ...@hyperreal.org >>> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 18:08:48 -0400 >>> Subject: Research question about vinyl manipulation >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Has anyone ever done or heard of anyone doing the following IN >>> DETROIT: >>> >>> Physically manipulating a piece of vinyl by cutting it down the middle >>> exactly and then gluing it to another half of vinyl so that the >>> grooves match up and it can actually play? Or any other kind of >>> dramatic vinyl manipulation? I'm thinking of things beyond concentric >>> grooves, groove reversal (starting a record from the inside to play >>> outward), and looped grooves. >>> >>> Feel free to message me directly if you'd rather. Thanks! >>> >>> -- >>> Denise Dalphond >>> Ph.D. Candidate >>> Department of Folklore & Ethnomusicology >>> Indiana University >>> http://denisedjsdetroit.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> This >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.864 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3235 - Release Date: 11/03/10 >> 04:36:00 >> >> > > > > -- > fbk > > sleepengineering/absoloop US > -- Denise Dalphond Ph.D. Candidate Department of Folklore & Ethnomusicology Indiana University http://denisedjsdetroit.blogspot.com/
Re: (313) Christian Marclay (was Research question about vinyl manipulation)
his other work is perhaps more coherent as art - his video quartet is one of the most moving works of art i have ever experienced. http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/2002/05/52031 On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Jeff Richards wrote: > I guess it all depends on who the viewer is, I could go the whole rest of my > life without ever hearing of this guy again. I dont get it either as music > or art. The only way to make it harder for me to understand would be to have > a poetry reading happening at the same time. > > Jeff > > Sent from my Samsung Captivate(tm) on AT&T > > Rob Taylor wrote: > >>christian marclay is not a musician, he's an artist. there's nothing >>to get about his 'music'. it's all about the processes >> >>On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 12:08 PM, AntonBanks.com wrote: >>> Really interesting topic! >>> >>> I don't mean to derail the conversation but this link got me thinking... >>> >>> I'd never heard of Christian Marclay before so I checked out the links. I >>> don’t find myself saying this too often but I REALLY don't get his music. I >>> thought this wass odd because I've come to really like ambient and >>> soundscapes. I can tell that there is a definite purpose behind what he is >>> doing. Wikipedia pegs him as the "unwitting inventor of turntablism" and I >>> agree with that statement. You can certainly learn a few turntablism >>> techniques by watching what he does. It's just that the overall performance >>> is totally lost on me. >>> >>> -ant- >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Mike Taylor [mailto:disconihil...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 6:58 PM >>> To: 313-digest-h...@hyperreal.org >>> Cc: 313@hyperreal.org >>> Subject: (313) Re: Research question about vinyl manipulation >>> >>> >>> I don't know if anyone in the dance scene has done anything like this. This >>> kind of stuff falls more into the noise scene. I can remember the Time >>> Stereo guys drilling holes in records so that they would play off center and >>> sound wobbly, but that is the only thing that comes to mind. >>> >>> This guy has made a career of that gimmick: >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Marclay >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIFH4XHU228 >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVr-_lGxib4 >>> -- Forwarded message -- From: Denise Dalphond To: ...@hyperreal.org Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 18:08:48 -0400 Subject: Research question about vinyl manipulation Hi all, Has anyone ever done or heard of anyone doing the following IN DETROIT: Physically manipulating a piece of vinyl by cutting it down the middle exactly and then gluing it to another half of vinyl so that the grooves match up and it can actually play? Or any other kind of dramatic vinyl manipulation? I'm thinking of things beyond concentric grooves, groove reversal (starting a record from the inside to play outward), and looped grooves. Feel free to message me directly if you'd rather. Thanks! -- Denise Dalphond Ph.D. Candidate Department of Folklore & Ethnomusicology Indiana University http://denisedjsdetroit.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> This >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 9.0.864 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3235 - Release Date: 11/03/10 >>> 04:36:00 >>> >>> >
Re: (313) Christian Marclay (was Research question about vinyl manipulation)
I guess it all depends on who the viewer is, I could go the whole rest of my life without ever hearing of this guy again. I dont get it either as music or art. The only way to make it harder for me to understand would be to have a poetry reading happening at the same time. Jeff Sent from my Samsung Captivate(tm) on AT&T Rob Taylor wrote: >christian marclay is not a musician, he's an artist. there's nothing >to get about his 'music'. it's all about the processes > >On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 12:08 PM, AntonBanks.com wrote: >> Really interesting topic! >> >> I don't mean to derail the conversation but this link got me thinking... >> >> I'd never heard of Christian Marclay before so I checked out the links. I >> don’t find myself saying this too often but I REALLY don't get his music. I >> thought this wass odd because I've come to really like ambient and >> soundscapes. I can tell that there is a definite purpose behind what he is >> doing. Wikipedia pegs him as the "unwitting inventor of turntablism" and I >> agree with that statement. You can certainly learn a few turntablism >> techniques by watching what he does. It's just that the overall performance >> is totally lost on me. >> >> -ant- >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Mike Taylor [mailto:disconihil...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 6:58 PM >> To: 313-digest-h...@hyperreal.org >> Cc: 313@hyperreal.org >> Subject: (313) Re: Research question about vinyl manipulation >> >> >> I don't know if anyone in the dance scene has done anything like this. This >> kind of stuff falls more into the noise scene. I can remember the Time >> Stereo guys drilling holes in records so that they would play off center and >> sound wobbly, but that is the only thing that comes to mind. >> >> This guy has made a career of that gimmick: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Marclay >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIFH4XHU228 >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVr-_lGxib4 >> >>> -- Forwarded message -- >>> From: Denise Dalphond >>> To: ...@hyperreal.org >>> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 18:08:48 -0400 >>> Subject: Research question about vinyl manipulation >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Has anyone ever done or heard of anyone doing the following IN >>> DETROIT: >>> >>> Physically manipulating a piece of vinyl by cutting it down the middle >>> exactly and then gluing it to another half of vinyl so that the >>> grooves match up and it can actually play? Or any other kind of >>> dramatic vinyl manipulation? I'm thinking of things beyond concentric >>> grooves, groove reversal (starting a record from the inside to play >>> outward), and looped grooves. >>> >>> Feel free to message me directly if you'd rather. Thanks! >>> >>> -- >>> Denise Dalphond >>> Ph.D. Candidate >>> Department of Folklore & Ethnomusicology >>> Indiana University >>> http://denisedjsdetroit.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> This >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.864 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3235 - Release Date: 11/03/10 >> 04:36:00 >> >>
Re: (313) Christian Marclay (was Research question about vinyl manipulation)
christian marclay is not a musician, he's an artist. there's nothing to get about his 'music'. it's all about the processes On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 12:08 PM, AntonBanks.com wrote: > Really interesting topic! > > I don't mean to derail the conversation but this link got me thinking... > > I'd never heard of Christian Marclay before so I checked out the links. I > don’t find myself saying this too often but I REALLY don't get his music. I > thought this wass odd because I've come to really like ambient and > soundscapes. I can tell that there is a definite purpose behind what he is > doing. Wikipedia pegs him as the "unwitting inventor of turntablism" and I > agree with that statement. You can certainly learn a few turntablism > techniques by watching what he does. It's just that the overall performance > is totally lost on me. > > -ant- > > -Original Message- > From: Mike Taylor [mailto:disconihil...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 6:58 PM > To: 313-digest-h...@hyperreal.org > Cc: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: (313) Re: Research question about vinyl manipulation > > > I don't know if anyone in the dance scene has done anything like this. This > kind of stuff falls more into the noise scene. I can remember the Time > Stereo guys drilling holes in records so that they would play off center and > sound wobbly, but that is the only thing that comes to mind. > > This guy has made a career of that gimmick: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Marclay > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIFH4XHU228 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVr-_lGxib4 > >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: Denise Dalphond >> To: ...@hyperreal.org >> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 18:08:48 -0400 >> Subject: Research question about vinyl manipulation >> Hi all, >> >> Has anyone ever done or heard of anyone doing the following IN >> DETROIT: >> >> Physically manipulating a piece of vinyl by cutting it down the middle >> exactly and then gluing it to another half of vinyl so that the >> grooves match up and it can actually play? Or any other kind of >> dramatic vinyl manipulation? I'm thinking of things beyond concentric >> grooves, groove reversal (starting a record from the inside to play >> outward), and looped grooves. >> >> Feel free to message me directly if you'd rather. Thanks! >> >> -- >> Denise Dalphond >> Ph.D. Candidate >> Department of Folklore & Ethnomusicology >> Indiana University >> http://denisedjsdetroit.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> > > This > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.864 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3235 - Release Date: 11/03/10 > 04:36:00 > >
Re: (313) Christian Marclay (was Research question about vinyl manipulation)
Guessing I should chime in. What Christian Marclay does is actually an extension of what many of the DMC battle champions started doing. Using tape, or other means to get a record to skip (in time, or a controlled skip). I've used the technique before and it is a bunch of fun...When I was creating musique concrete/experimental works, the turntable was my fourth instrument usually. Using four turntables and marking all your records like Marclay does is pretty interesting, yet the problem is that after awhile, you just kind of get the feeling that he was done halfway into his performance? You can use glue to do it...DAC Crowell at one point got an old dubplate from Jamaica which had a skip in it (chocolate...LOL), most guys that I've known to 'mark' their records used the labels from cassette tapes (remember those things???) Denise, your question just made me nostalgicI'm remembering how I taught myself how to cut a locked groove on an old rek-o-cut mono lathe...and how proud I was:) On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:07 AM, AntonBanks.com wrote: > Really interesting topic! > > I don't mean to derail the conversation but this link got me thinking... > > I'd never heard of Christian Marclay before so I checked out the links. I > don’t find myself saying this too often but I REALLY don't get his music. I > thought this wass odd because I've come to really like ambient and > soundscapes. I can tell that there is a definite purpose behind what he is > doing. Wikipedia pegs him as the "unwitting inventor of turntablism" and I > agree with that statement. You can certainly learn a few turntablism > techniques by watching what he does. It's just that the overall performance > is totally lost on me. > > -ant- > > -Original Message- > From: Mike Taylor [mailto:disconihil...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 6:58 PM > To: 313-digest-h...@hyperreal.org > Cc: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: (313) Re: Research question about vinyl manipulation > > > I don't know if anyone in the dance scene has done anything like this. This > kind of stuff falls more into the noise scene. I can remember the Time > Stereo guys drilling holes in records so that they would play off center and > sound wobbly, but that is the only thing that comes to mind. > > This guy has made a career of that gimmick: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Marclay > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIFH4XHU228 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVr-_lGxib4 > >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: Denise Dalphond >> To: ...@hyperreal.org >> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 18:08:48 -0400 >> Subject: Research question about vinyl manipulation >> Hi all, >> >> Has anyone ever done or heard of anyone doing the following IN >> DETROIT: >> >> Physically manipulating a piece of vinyl by cutting it down the middle >> exactly and then gluing it to another half of vinyl so that the >> grooves match up and it can actually play? Or any other kind of >> dramatic vinyl manipulation? I'm thinking of things beyond concentric >> grooves, groove reversal (starting a record from the inside to play >> outward), and looped grooves. >> >> Feel free to message me directly if you'd rather. Thanks! >> >> -- >> Denise Dalphond >> Ph.D. Candidate >> Department of Folklore & Ethnomusicology >> Indiana University >> http://denisedjsdetroit.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> > > This > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.864 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3235 - Release Date: 11/03/10 > 04:36:00 > > -- fbk sleepengineering/absoloop US
(313) Christian Marclay (was Research question about vinyl manipulation)
Really interesting topic! I don't mean to derail the conversation but this link got me thinking... I'd never heard of Christian Marclay before so I checked out the links. I dont find myself saying this too often but I REALLY don't get his music. I thought this wass odd because I've come to really like ambient and soundscapes. I can tell that there is a definite purpose behind what he is doing. Wikipedia pegs him as the "unwitting inventor of turntablism" and I agree with that statement. You can certainly learn a few turntablism techniques by watching what he does. It's just that the overall performance is totally lost on me. -ant- -Original Message- From: Mike Taylor [mailto:disconihil...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 6:58 PM To: 313-digest-h...@hyperreal.org Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Re: Research question about vinyl manipulation I don't know if anyone in the dance scene has done anything like this. This kind of stuff falls more into the noise scene. I can remember the Time Stereo guys drilling holes in records so that they would play off center and sound wobbly, but that is the only thing that comes to mind. This guy has made a career of that gimmick: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Marclay http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIFH4XHU228 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVr-_lGxib4 > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Denise Dalphond > To: ...@hyperreal.org > Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 18:08:48 -0400 > Subject: Research question about vinyl manipulation > Hi all, > > Has anyone ever done or heard of anyone doing the following IN > DETROIT: > > Physically manipulating a piece of vinyl by cutting it down the middle > exactly and then gluing it to another half of vinyl so that the > grooves match up and it can actually play? Or any other kind of > dramatic vinyl manipulation? I'm thinking of things beyond concentric > grooves, groove reversal (starting a record from the inside to play > outward), and looped grooves. > > Feel free to message me directly if you'd rather. Thanks! > > -- > Denise Dalphond > Ph.D. Candidate > Department of Folklore & Ethnomusicology > Indiana University > http://denisedjsdetroit.blogspot.com/ > > > This No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.864 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3235 - Release Date: 11/03/10 04:36:00
(313) Christian Marclay (was Research question about vinyl manipulation)
Really interesting topic! I don't mean to derail the conversation but this link got me thinking... I'd never heard of Christian Marclay before so I checked out the links. I dont find myself saying this too often but I REALLY don't get his music. I thought this wass odd because I've come to really like ambient and soundscapes. I can tell that there is a definite purpose behind what he is doing. Wikipedia pegs him as the "unwitting inventor of turntablism" and I agree with that statement. You can certainly learn a few turntablism techniques by watching what he does. It's just that the overall performance is totally lost on me. -ant- -Original Message- From: Mike Taylor [mailto:disconihil...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 6:58 PM To: 313-digest-h...@hyperreal.org Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Re: Research question about vinyl manipulation I don't know if anyone in the dance scene has done anything like this. This kind of stuff falls more into the noise scene. I can remember the Time Stereo guys drilling holes in records so that they would play off center and sound wobbly, but that is the only thing that comes to mind. This guy has made a career of that gimmick: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Marclay http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIFH4XHU228 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVr-_lGxib4 > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Denise Dalphond > To: ...@hyperreal.org > Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 18:08:48 -0400 > Subject: Research question about vinyl manipulation > Hi all, > > Has anyone ever done or heard of anyone doing the following IN > DETROIT: > > Physically manipulating a piece of vinyl by cutting it down the middle > exactly and then gluing it to another half of vinyl so that the > grooves match up and it can actually play? Or any other kind of > dramatic vinyl manipulation? I'm thinking of things beyond concentric > grooves, groove reversal (starting a record from the inside to play > outward), and looped grooves. > > Feel free to message me directly if you'd rather. Thanks! > > -- > Denise Dalphond > Ph.D. Candidate > Department of Folklore & Ethnomusicology > Indiana University > http://denisedjsdetroit.blogspot.com/ > > > This No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.864 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3235 - Release Date: 11/03/10 04:36:00
