RE: (313) cults and christianity in techno
Frank man! You are seriously diabusing me of some illusions I had about you! I thought you were a bit more subtle in your perceptions than this! :) Also better informed. Anyone who knows their techno history/figures knows Curtis Jones didn't become 'born again' until about 2002/3. Anyway, there are rumors [just that, nothing more] that he's fallen off the righteous wagon anyway! Just check out some of the latest shenanigans in his latest releases ... Still, that's besides the point. I'd really urge you to think again about this stuff and not be too literal about it. That's all. Also, I'll add my voice to those trying to reassure you, no one is trying to stiffle debate about all this. So long as you let us scientologists be the *only* ones who are right and eventually join us, then you'll get along fine. [Joke!:] -Original Message- From: Thor Teague [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 9:44 PM To: Frank Glazer Cc: 313 Mailing List Subject: Re: (313) cults and christianity in techno Firstly... if someone believes something as deeply as scientologists believe in their thetans, and christians in christ, and so forth, it is their right to include it in their artwork, and may God (should you choose to believe in the existence of God) help this country if that changes. (Also may he give me the means to beat cheeks to canada.) In many cases, for these artistic choices are speculative until you hear it from the artist themselves--depending on how obvious the artist wishes to make it, if they are engaging in advocacy, or just observing, etc. Secondly... if it bothers you, in most cases it is not forced on you. I'll concede that arguably it is being psuedoforced in a club/DJ situation. But if I'm not mistaken you're talking about a record that you may or may not choose to buy, in fact correct me if I'm wrong, is this one track on the record? You could choose to not play it. Thirdly... are you absolutely certain that Green Velvet's Preacher Man track is not mocking? I'm kind of shocked, I was certain it was. It's just so wacky. Just depends on how things are done. I am not bothered by people choosing to touch on/discuss/sing/rap about their spiritual/metaphysical beliefs in and of itself, not even necessarily advocacy. Is it a good track or not? My 2c. On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Frank Glazer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am shocked and amazed at the number of people who are completely > willing to brush aside the possibility that a techno producer could be > involved in some mass-marketed new age cult nonsense akin to > scientology. Those of you who have tried to push it under the rug or > dismiss it as an attempt at comedy puzzle me to no end. And those of > you who are trying to stifle discussion of it - why? Why is it so > terrible to discuss the meaning behind some lyrics, regardless of > whether they're ironic or serious? > > Also, it's no secret that Curtis of Green Velvet/Cajmere fame is a > born again christian, so whoever said that the preacher track isn't > serious is mistaken. > > -- > peace, > > frank > > dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com >
Re: (313) cults and christianity in techno
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, Thor Teague wrote: Is it a good track or not? I prefer the "You are... Dark" over the original mix. The bassline's starting to grow on me. Good drum tracks on it, by the way. :) Jussi Lehtonen "Metaprogram yourself."
Re: (313) cults and christianity in techno
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, Frank Glazer wrote: Also, it's no secret that Curtis of Green Velvet/Cajmere fame is a born again christian, so whoever said that the preacher track isn't serious is mistaken. Hnmm... I mentioned Preacher man, but I don't think I mentioned anything about it's seriousness... Jussi Lehtonen "Metaprogram yourself."
Re: (313) cults and christianity in techno
i thought he became born again long long after preacher man i dont think that makes it mocking as much as tongue in cheek. though he may view the track differently in hindsight On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Thor Teague <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Firstly... if someone believes something as deeply as scientologists > believe in their thetans, and christians in christ, and so forth, it > is their right to include it in their artwork, and may God (should you > choose to believe in the existence of God) help this country if that > changes. (Also may he give me the means to beat cheeks to canada.) In > many cases, for these artistic choices are speculative until you hear > it from the artist themselves--depending on how obvious the artist > wishes to make it, if they are engaging in advocacy, or just > observing, etc. > > Secondly... if it bothers you, in most cases it is not forced on you. > I'll concede that arguably it is being psuedoforced in a club/DJ > situation. But if I'm not mistaken you're talking about a record that > you may or may not choose to buy, in fact correct me if I'm wrong, is > this one track on the record? You could choose to not play it. > > Thirdly... are you absolutely certain that Green Velvet's Preacher Man > track is not mocking? I'm kind of shocked, I was certain it was. It's > just so wacky. > > Just depends on how things are done. I am not bothered by people > choosing to touch on/discuss/sing/rap about their > spiritual/metaphysical beliefs in and of itself, not even necessarily > advocacy. > > Is it a good track or not? > > My 2c. > > On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Frank Glazer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am shocked and amazed at the number of people who are completely > > willing to brush aside the possibility that a techno producer could be > > involved in some mass-marketed new age cult nonsense akin to > > scientology. Those of you who have tried to push it under the rug or > > dismiss it as an attempt at comedy puzzle me to no end. And those of > > you who are trying to stifle discussion of it - why? Why is it so > > terrible to discuss the meaning behind some lyrics, regardless of > > whether they're ironic or serious? > > > > Also, it's no secret that Curtis of Green Velvet/Cajmere fame is a > > born again christian, so whoever said that the preacher track isn't > > serious is mistaken. > > > > -- > > peace, > > > > frank > > > > dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com > >
Re: (313) cults and christianity in techno
Firstly... if someone believes something as deeply as scientologists believe in their thetans, and christians in christ, and so forth, it is their right to include it in their artwork, and may God (should you choose to believe in the existence of God) help this country if that changes. (Also may he give me the means to beat cheeks to canada.) In many cases, for these artistic choices are speculative until you hear it from the artist themselves--depending on how obvious the artist wishes to make it, if they are engaging in advocacy, or just observing, etc. Secondly... if it bothers you, in most cases it is not forced on you. I'll concede that arguably it is being psuedoforced in a club/DJ situation. But if I'm not mistaken you're talking about a record that you may or may not choose to buy, in fact correct me if I'm wrong, is this one track on the record? You could choose to not play it. Thirdly... are you absolutely certain that Green Velvet's Preacher Man track is not mocking? I'm kind of shocked, I was certain it was. It's just so wacky. Just depends on how things are done. I am not bothered by people choosing to touch on/discuss/sing/rap about their spiritual/metaphysical beliefs in and of itself, not even necessarily advocacy. Is it a good track or not? My 2c. On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Frank Glazer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am shocked and amazed at the number of people who are completely > willing to brush aside the possibility that a techno producer could be > involved in some mass-marketed new age cult nonsense akin to > scientology. Those of you who have tried to push it under the rug or > dismiss it as an attempt at comedy puzzle me to no end. And those of > you who are trying to stifle discussion of it - why? Why is it so > terrible to discuss the meaning behind some lyrics, regardless of > whether they're ironic or serious? > > Also, it's no secret that Curtis of Green Velvet/Cajmere fame is a > born again christian, so whoever said that the preacher track isn't > serious is mistaken. > > -- > peace, > > frank > > dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com >
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Frank - there's been no attempt at pushing anything under any rug. It's just without Kenny Larkin actually jumping on the email list and giving us his reason for putting that sample on the track - everything you're possibly accusing him of is pure speculation. MEK "Frank Glazer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 06/06/2008 03:09:46 PM: > I am shocked and amazed at the number of people who are completely > willing to brush aside the possibility that a techno producer could be > involved in some mass-marketed new age cult nonsense akin to > scientology. Those of you who have tried to push it under the rug or > dismiss it as an attempt at comedy puzzle me to no end. And those of > you who are trying to stifle discussion of it - why? Why is it so > terrible to discuss the meaning behind some lyrics, regardless of > whether they're ironic or serious? > > Also, it's no secret that Curtis of Green Velvet/Cajmere fame is a > born again christian, so whoever said that the preacher track isn't > serious is mistaken. > > -- > peace, > > frank > > dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
(313) cults and christianity in techno
I am shocked and amazed at the number of people who are completely willing to brush aside the possibility that a techno producer could be involved in some mass-marketed new age cult nonsense akin to scientology. Those of you who have tried to push it under the rug or dismiss it as an attempt at comedy puzzle me to no end. And those of you who are trying to stifle discussion of it - why? Why is it so terrible to discuss the meaning behind some lyrics, regardless of whether they're ironic or serious? Also, it's no secret that Curtis of Green Velvet/Cajmere fame is a born again christian, so whoever said that the preacher track isn't serious is mistaken. -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
