Re: (313) track identifier future gadget machine
The post both you and MEK replied to (the one that started the thread) was asking about a way to search music by title. On Jul 20, 2007, at 5:38 PM, Thor Teague wrote: The point of this thread, unless I missed something, is to dream up ways to search for music that you don't know the title to. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim -> mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) track identifier future gadget machine
The point of this thread, unless I missed something, is to dream up ways to search for music that you don't know the title to. On 7/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At Allmusic.com you can search by song title MEK
RE: (313) track identifier future gadget machine
Well there you have it, it does exist. Thank you MEK, I now know the track I was after was recorded by John Mayall (and loads of other people too). Plus it is now fairly well settled that Shazam is a robot. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 20 July 2007 03:36 > > At Allmusic.com you can search by song title
RE: (313) track identifier future gadget machine
Dont see how it can be anything other than a robot Francis, its been used at all times of the day and night and ive never known it give a wrong answer. Cant see how a human could achieve that. No idea how it does it but its pretty cool Cheers BT --- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So Davy, whadya reckon - human or robot? > > > -Original Message- > > From: David Beattie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 19 July 2007 16:10 > > > > that phone service is mental > > > > Ive had people at my house with mixes on whilst we > chat/drink > > etc and only find out at the end of a mix that > someone has > > used it to id about 6 tracks from a mix - only for > me to tell > > them that > > > > 1: I have all the tracks if they had asked > > 2: I can get a tracklist > > 3: its a bought mix and the cover is next to the > CD player > > > > the amount of money that people must waste on that > service, > > but if it keeps it there for when its needed then > I guess its > > not wasted. > > > > To get this back on topic someone used it to id > that Divina > > track that was bootlegged recently when I was > playing the record > >
Re: (313) track identifier future gadget machine
At Allmusic.com you can search by song title MEK "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 07/19/2007 09:15:35 AM: > Afternoon (well it is here) all. I've been quiet as I'm moving PCs > at the mo. Got mail on one and everything else on another and > unable to finish off (long story). > Anyway want I want to know is does anyone know of a site on the > Discogs tip but where you can search by the names of tracks - even > those that weren't a release in their own right but are just album > tracks? A lot to ask I know and maybe the huge amount of data > concerned (imagine searching on a title like "I Love You"!) means it > hasn't come along yet (though I guess it will, maybe Discogs II > is just around the corner). Be bl00dy useful though. >
Re: (313) track identifier future gadget machine
On Jul 19, 2007, at 8:45 PM, /0 wrote: no it was to compare songs to a transient database of copyrighted songs fast way to see if any of your mp3s are copyright protected, at least as far as the reference database is concerned. its a little like mass spectrometry, in that you need reference data to make the output worthwhile. I should have sold it to the RIAA :P Is this similar to what Music Brainz does? -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim -> mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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no it was to compare songs to a transient database of copyrighted songs fast way to see if any of your mp3s are copyright protected, at least as far as the reference database is concerned. its a little like mass spectrometry, in that you need reference data to make the output worthwhile. I should have sold it to the RIAA :P - Original Message - From: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:39 PM Subject: Re: (313) track identifier future gadget machine On 7/19/07, /0 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: the other stuff you mentioned is moot because most people arent altering the dynamics (outside of normalizing/noise reduc) audio that was professionally produced. anything amatuer doesnt qualify as there is no copyright to be concerned with. there are plenty of amateur recordings that are copyrighted, im sure of that. but mainly i was wondering if you were using it to search songs for sampled elements or something like that. tom
Re: (313) track identifier future gadget machine
On 7/19/07, /0 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: the other stuff you mentioned is moot because most people arent altering the dynamics (outside of normalizing/noise reduc) audio that was professionally produced. anything amatuer doesnt qualify as there is no copyright to be concerned with. there are plenty of amateur recordings that are copyrighted, im sure of that. but mainly i was wondering if you were using it to search songs for sampled elements or something like that. tom
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pops and crackles are very brief transients and easy to filter out, ie softwares that do just that. they dont impact the accuracy of something liek this. Im sure some fennesz or noto might f with it.. :p the other stuff you mentioned is moot because most people arent altering the dynamics (outside of normalizing/noise reduc) audio that was professionally produced. anything amatuer doesnt qualify as there is no copyright to be concerned with. the purpose was to prove I could do it. that was before I realized that you can do just abotu anything you want in max/msp if you outline your process carefully and have the attention span to realize your idea. ok enough OT for me, sorry all - Original Message - From: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:27 PM Subject: Re: (313) track identifier future gadget machine On 7/19/07, /0 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: reminds me of a project I did in max/msp to find copyrighted audio. it worked by extracting and creating transient profiles, and flagging anything with an 80+ percent match to a transient profile on record fun stuff what was the purpose for doing that? i mean, it seems like that would only work when comparing a CD to a sample of that CD that hasnt really been altered by compression, limiting, or any other dynamic processing. it also seems like it wouldnt work if the recording was sufficiently noisy, the transients from a vinyl recording with lots of pops and crackles should be wildly different from a pristine CD version. tom
Re: (313) track identifier future gadget machine
On 7/19/07, /0 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: reminds me of a project I did in max/msp to find copyrighted audio. it worked by extracting and creating transient profiles, and flagging anything with an 80+ percent match to a transient profile on record fun stuff what was the purpose for doing that? i mean, it seems like that would only work when comparing a CD to a sample of that CD that hasnt really been altered by compression, limiting, or any other dynamic processing. it also seems like it wouldnt work if the recording was sufficiently noisy, the transients from a vinyl recording with lots of pops and crackles should be wildly different from a pristine CD version. tom
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reminds me of a project I did in max/msp to find copyrighted audio. it worked by extracting and creating transient profiles, and flagging anything with an 80+ percent match to a transient profile on record fun stuff - Original Message - From: "Thor Teague" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:43 AM Subject: Re: (313) track identifier future gadget machine There was a copyright protection tool developed by this guy in California recently that uses pixel identification to troll through internet sites like youtube and myspace and finds copyrighted films--its identification is sophisticated enough that it can find copyright films ripped from DVD (OBVIOUSLY) but it can also find cam rips, even with a shaky camera, even with people walking in front of the screen. I hear it does well regardless of compression and pixel size/aspect ratio. I don't know how related they are, but on the level of 1's and 0's it almost seems like it could be reverse engineered. You could feed a snippet into a search engine (discogs) which it uses to search its library and find a match. If it were engineered well enough, maybe it could handle input files that were pristine or recorded with a handheld device like a microcassette or a cell phone. So if you had a recording off the radio or some other waveform source, and there were a database with this engine and a lot of waveform data to attempt to match it up to, you could theoretically get anything ID'd, limited only by how comprehensive the database is. That's a Goliath-size order of a 'ware, but who knows. Just daydreaming here... ;) On 7/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Afternoon (well it is here) all. I've been quiet as I'm moving PCs at the mo. Got mail on one and everything else on another and unable to finish off (long story). Anyway want I want to know is does anyone know of a site on the Discogs tip but where you can search by the names of tracks - even those that weren't a release in their own right but are just album tracks? A lot to ask I know and maybe the huge amount of data concerned (imagine searching on a title like "I Love You"!) means it hasn't come along yet (though I guess it will, maybe Discogs II is just around the corner). Be bl00dy useful though.
RE: (313) track identifier future gadget machine
So Davy, whadya reckon - human or robot? > -Original Message- > From: David Beattie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 19 July 2007 16:10 > > that phone service is mental > > Ive had people at my house with mixes on whilst we chat/drink > etc and only find out at the end of a mix that someone has > used it to id about 6 tracks from a mix - only for me to tell > them that > > 1: I have all the tracks if they had asked > 2: I can get a tracklist > 3: its a bought mix and the cover is next to the CD player > > the amount of money that people must waste on that service, > but if it keeps it there for when its needed then I guess its > not wasted. > > To get this back on topic someone used it to id that Divina > track that was bootlegged recently when I was playing the record
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ha ha ha that phone service is mental Ive had people at my house with mixes on whilst we chat/drink etc and only find out at the end of a mix that someone has used it to id about 6 tracks from a mix - only for me to tell them that 1: I have all the tracks if they had asked 2: I can get a tracklist 3: its a bought mix and the cover is next to the CD player the amount of money that people must waste on that service, but if it keeps it there for when its needed then I guess its not wasted. To get this back on topic someone used it to id that Divina track that was bootlegged recently when I was playing the record Cheers BT --- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ah ha Thor! > > This is most interesting (to me anyway). Insofar as > I was asking about something that searched for the > titles of tracks on albums > etc. - which is what I need right now to help me ID > a track (I think) was called "Congo Square" - not > the actual musical (or not) > content. > But, just like you it seems, even as I was typing > it, I started thinking about what you're talking > about. And specifically does > such a thing already exist? In that we have this > phone service here in the UK where you can ring a > number, play the music to the > phone and it texts you the artist and track title > back. Or it mostly does anyway, sometime you catch > it out but I know people who > stayed up late one night playing obscure AE tracks > etc. to it and it got them all, sometimes I've tried > it from a gig and it hasn't > worked (you don't have to pay if it doesn't do the > ID) but that may well be due to the distortion / > background noise. So I was > wondering if that was an automated search with a set > up that I bet took some tweaking or do this outfit > just have a bunch of captive > muso nerds that ID the tracks? > > F > > > > > -----Original Message- > > From: Thor Teague [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 19 July 2007 15:43 > > To: 313@hyperreal.org > > Subject: Re: (313) track identifier future gadget > machine > > > > There was a copyright protection tool developed by > this guy > > in California recently that uses pixel > identification to > > troll through internet sites like youtube and > myspace and > > finds copyrighted films--its identification is > sophisticated > > enough that it can find copyright films ripped > from DVD > > (OBVIOUSLY) but it can also find cam rips, even > with a shaky > > camera, even with people walking in front of the > screen. I > > hear it does well regardless of compression and > pixel > > size/aspect ratio. > > > > I don't know how related they are, but on the > level of 1's > > and 0's it almost seems like it could be reverse > engineered. > > You could feed a snippet into a search engine > (discogs) which > > it uses to search its library and find a match. If > it were > > engineered well enough, maybe it could handle > input files > > that were pristine or recorded with a handheld > device like a > > microcassette or a cell phone. So if you had a > recording off > > the radio or some other waveform source, and there > were a > > database with this engine and a lot of waveform > data to > > attempt to match it up to, you could theoretically > get > > anything ID'd, limited only by how comprehensive > the database is. > > > > That's a Goliath-size order of a 'ware, but who > knows. Just > > daydreaming here... ;) > > > > On 7/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Afternoon (well it is here) all. I've been > quiet as I'm > > moving PCs at > > > the mo. Got mail on one and everything else on > another and > > unable to finish off (long story). > > > Anyway want I want to know is does anyone know > of a site on the > > > Discogs tip but where you can search by the > names of tracks - even > > > those that weren't a release in their own right > but are just album > > > tracks? A lot to ask I know and maybe the huge > amount of > > data concerned (imagine searching on a title like > "I Love > > You"!) means it hasn't come along yet (though I > guess it > > will, maybe Discogs II is just around the corner). > Be bl00dy > > useful though. > > > >
RE: (313) track identifier future gadget machine
Ah ha Thor! This is most interesting (to me anyway). Insofar as I was asking about something that searched for the titles of tracks on albums etc. - which is what I need right now to help me ID a track (I think) was called "Congo Square" - not the actual musical (or not) content. But, just like you it seems, even as I was typing it, I started thinking about what you're talking about. And specifically does such a thing already exist? In that we have this phone service here in the UK where you can ring a number, play the music to the phone and it texts you the artist and track title back. Or it mostly does anyway, sometime you catch it out but I know people who stayed up late one night playing obscure AE tracks etc. to it and it got them all, sometimes I've tried it from a gig and it hasn't worked (you don't have to pay if it doesn't do the ID) but that may well be due to the distortion / background noise. So I was wondering if that was an automated search with a set up that I bet took some tweaking or do this outfit just have a bunch of captive muso nerds that ID the tracks? F > -Original Message- > From: Thor Teague [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 19 July 2007 15:43 > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (313) track identifier future gadget machine > > There was a copyright protection tool developed by this guy > in California recently that uses pixel identification to > troll through internet sites like youtube and myspace and > finds copyrighted films--its identification is sophisticated > enough that it can find copyright films ripped from DVD > (OBVIOUSLY) but it can also find cam rips, even with a shaky > camera, even with people walking in front of the screen. I > hear it does well regardless of compression and pixel > size/aspect ratio. > > I don't know how related they are, but on the level of 1's > and 0's it almost seems like it could be reverse engineered. > You could feed a snippet into a search engine (discogs) which > it uses to search its library and find a match. If it were > engineered well enough, maybe it could handle input files > that were pristine or recorded with a handheld device like a > microcassette or a cell phone. So if you had a recording off > the radio or some other waveform source, and there were a > database with this engine and a lot of waveform data to > attempt to match it up to, you could theoretically get > anything ID'd, limited only by how comprehensive the database is. > > That's a Goliath-size order of a 'ware, but who knows. Just > daydreaming here... ;) > > On 7/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Afternoon (well it is here) all. I've been quiet as I'm > moving PCs at > > the mo. Got mail on one and everything else on another and > unable to finish off (long story). > > Anyway want I want to know is does anyone know of a site on the > > Discogs tip but where you can search by the names of tracks - even > > those that weren't a release in their own right but are just album > > tracks? A lot to ask I know and maybe the huge amount of > data concerned (imagine searching on a title like "I Love > You"!) means it hasn't come along yet (though I guess it > will, maybe Discogs II is just around the corner). Be bl00dy > useful though. >
Re: (313) track identifier future gadget machine
There was a copyright protection tool developed by this guy in California recently that uses pixel identification to troll through internet sites like youtube and myspace and finds copyrighted films--its identification is sophisticated enough that it can find copyright films ripped from DVD (OBVIOUSLY) but it can also find cam rips, even with a shaky camera, even with people walking in front of the screen. I hear it does well regardless of compression and pixel size/aspect ratio. I don't know how related they are, but on the level of 1's and 0's it almost seems like it could be reverse engineered. You could feed a snippet into a search engine (discogs) which it uses to search its library and find a match. If it were engineered well enough, maybe it could handle input files that were pristine or recorded with a handheld device like a microcassette or a cell phone. So if you had a recording off the radio or some other waveform source, and there were a database with this engine and a lot of waveform data to attempt to match it up to, you could theoretically get anything ID'd, limited only by how comprehensive the database is. That's a Goliath-size order of a 'ware, but who knows. Just daydreaming here... ;) On 7/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Afternoon (well it is here) all. I've been quiet as I'm moving PCs at the mo. Got mail on one and everything else on another and unable to finish off (long story). Anyway want I want to know is does anyone know of a site on the Discogs tip but where you can search by the names of tracks - even those that weren't a release in their own right but are just album tracks? A lot to ask I know and maybe the huge amount of data concerned (imagine searching on a title like "I Love You"!) means it hasn't come along yet (though I guess it will, maybe Discogs II is just around the corner). Be bl00dy useful though.
(313) track identifier future gadget machine
Afternoon (well it is here) all. I've been quiet as I'm moving PCs at the mo. Got mail on one and everything else on another and unable to finish off (long story). Anyway want I want to know is does anyone know of a site on the Discogs tip but where you can search by the names of tracks - even those that weren't a release in their own right but are just album tracks? A lot to ask I know and maybe the huge amount of data concerned (imagine searching on a title like "I Love You"!) means it hasn't come along yet (though I guess it will, maybe Discogs II is just around the corner). Be bl00dy useful though.
