(313) Hip Hop Mailing List
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Re: (313) hip hop sampling detroit (was: Brandy/producers of pop that go the extra mile)
the original from J-lo/Beatnuts is:
Light, Enoch Orchestra
Disco Disque Project 3: (? 1975)
* "Hi-Jack"
Jennifer Lopez's "Jenny From The Block"
these may (?) be cases where the sample actually comes from the 2nd
generation track and not the original, and therefore it's not listed even if
it's cleared and some royalties are passed down the line...
on 12/27/02 12:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, "The Armchair DJ" wrote:
>
>>
>> and don't forget that in the early days of producing,
>> dre sampled almost the
>> entirety of jj fad's "blame it on the musik" (off
>> 1988's "supersonic" lp)
>> from model 500's "nite drive thru babylon."
>>
>> brian
>
> ***speaking of which, the last time i saw sir mix a
> lot's "baby got back" on a new compilation, i checked
> the credit and there is *still* no mention of the fact
> that it steals the beat from "technicolor". i know
> atkins knows about this, so why don't these sorts of
> things get rectified in the credits in the future? not
> detroit related, but the usage of bob james' "take me
> to the mardi gras" (via run dmc's "peter Piper") isn't
> credited on missy's "work it". the beatnuts have been
> mentioning that jennifer lopez' "jenny from the block"
> samples them ("what it is"? i can't remember the exact
> title), but, though there's 3 sample credits on the
> single (including using bdp's "south bronx"), there's
> no mention of the beatnuts. i think one of the other
> credits is probably for the song that beat nuts also
> sampled that they're crying foul about. which would be
> a lack of originality, but hardly stealing from the
> 'nuts, and par for the course with the way all of the
> jlo tracks are produced (using set it off, using i've
> got five on it, etc, etc). i hope the 'nuts credited
> the sample they used that jlo also did, otherwise
> they're just calling attention to themselves and likely
> to get themselves in trouble. andrew
>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Matthew MacQueen
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 8:21 PM
>> To: 313@hyperreal.org
>> Cc: Brendan Nelson
>> Subject: RE: (313) re: Brandy/producers of pop that go
>> the extra mile
>>
>>
>>
>>> To be honest I don't have a hell of a lot of respect
>> for Dr Dre.
>>
>> me neither. Except for "surgery" in 1984 when he was
>> with the World Class
>> Wreckin' Crew
>>
>> He'll prescribe for you, his potent elixir
>> Two turntables, speakers, and a mixer
>> He'll rock your party wherever you be
>> Calling Dr. Dre to surgery
>>
>> LA is the place for you to be
>> To witness Dr Dre in surgery
>> He has a Ph.D in mixology
>> to cut on the wheels so viciously.
>>
>>
>> This cut which was an old WJLB Wizard favorite! ...
>> bringing it back to 313,
>> however tenuously in whatever decade.
>>
>> peace,
>> Matt MacQueen
>
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(313) hip hop sampling detroit (was: Brandy/producers of pop that go the extra mile)
On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, "The Armchair DJ" wrote:
>
> and don't forget that in the early days of producing,
> dre sampled almost the
> entirety of jj fad's "blame it on the musik" (off
> 1988's "supersonic" lp)
> from model 500's "nite drive thru babylon."
>
> brian
***speaking of which, the last time i saw sir mix a
lot's "baby got back" on a new compilation, i checked
the credit and there is *still* no mention of the fact
that it steals the beat from "technicolor". i know
atkins knows about this, so why don't these sorts of
things get rectified in the credits in the future? not
detroit related, but the usage of bob james' "take me
to the mardi gras" (via run dmc's "peter Piper") isn't
credited on missy's "work it". the beatnuts have been
mentioning that jennifer lopez' "jenny from the block"
samples them ("what it is"? i can't remember the exact
title), but, though there's 3 sample credits on the
single (including using bdp's "south bronx"), there's
no mention of the beatnuts. i think one of the other
credits is probably for the song that beat nuts also
sampled that they're crying foul about. which would be
a lack of originality, but hardly stealing from the
'nuts, and par for the course with the way all of the
jlo tracks are produced (using set it off, using i've
got five on it, etc, etc). i hope the 'nuts credited
the sample they used that jlo also did, otherwise
they're just calling attention to themselves and likely
to get themselves in trouble. andrew
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew MacQueen
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 8:21 PM
> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Cc: Brendan Nelson
> Subject: RE: (313) re: Brandy/producers of pop that go
> the extra mile
>
>
>
> > To be honest I don't have a hell of a lot of respect
> for Dr Dre.
>
> me neither. Except for "surgery" in 1984 when he was
> with the World Class
> Wreckin' Crew
>
> He'll prescribe for you, his potent elixir
> Two turntables, speakers, and a mixer
> He'll rock your party wherever you be
> Calling Dr. Dre to surgery
>
> LA is the place for you to be
> To witness Dr Dre in surgery
> He has a Ph.D in mixology
> to cut on the wheels so viciously.
>
>
> This cut which was an old WJLB Wizard favorite! ...
> bringing it back to 313,
> however tenuously in whatever decade.
>
> peace,
> Matt MacQueen
albums out now: Sprung (http://bip-hop.com)
More Destructive Than Organized
(http://staalplaat.com)
Highest Common Denominator (http://pieheadrecords.com)
Physical and Mental Health (http://dialrecords.com)
74'02 (split with Hypo) (http://tsunami-addiction.com)
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(313) Hip Hop and Techno
I think it is a 'recurring theme' you can identify. I've been very fortunate to interview many big names in hip-hop and discuss it with people across the spectrum of that scene and it comes up a lot. I realise there is a group also who like hip-hop and listen to different styles. These people you mention are different. I am talking of the purist core. I know producers like Stacey try and share their music by talking to artists from the urban ranks and they come up up against the same kind of resistance. I think he met Jay-Z once. I find the same prejudice in techno, mind. Hip-hop is a big world and it's pretty much pop culture now, but as I have reiterated I am talking of the hardcore purist element at its core - which probably doesn't feel totally comfortable with the 'crossover' phenom anyway. > I don't know. I've always seen the world of underground hip hop as being > pretty receptive to incorporating or listening to other styles, but what > percentage of the hip hop world is listenening to or participating in > underground hip hop? I don't mean De La Soul, but the band that presses 1000 > copies of their own record. If this was the culture Eminem came from, it's > not the culture he helps define today. So yeah, I'm seeing mainstrem hip hop > (which doesn't need to be defined by Puff Daddy) this way, but it's just a > generalization. I know many exceptions, but I think the rule holds true. Hip > hop is a big world.
Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile)
-Original Message- From: Nicole Slavin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Robert Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: 313@hyperreal.org <313@hyperreal.org> Date: 13 November 2002 18:04 Subject: Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) > >> I think rave is now seen primarily as an embarrassing >>word that parents and authority figures use to decribe something that the >>kids get up to. > >Nope, the kids i teach use it all the time to describe the parties they go >to, which play music along the lines of pop/garage/rnb. > > >>Now that large scale raves are happening in the US, it seems that the word >>has had something of a renaissance, but only in the US. > >when i was in the US seemed to be pretty much used to describe anything with >two or more people with a glowstick in tow. >But then again, some US 313ers called me a raver for wearing coloured >hairclips and bracelets! :) > > > >>-Original Message- >>From: glyph1001 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:45 PM >>Cc: 313@hyperreal.org >>Subject: Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) >> >> >>I will have to agree with robin here and I'm from the US. I read this >>article in an old DJ Magazine that talked about "The Summer of Love" >>and there was a part where someone would say (I'm paraphrasing here) >>"you gonna rave? or have you raved yet?" which meant taking a hit of e >>and going to a party and "rave" like mad. Indeed the Acid House and >>Rave are one of the same. \ I suggest doing some research at the mag's >>website. >> >> >> >>robin pinning wrote: >> >>>>>>The rave scene started over there, as their answer to our Hip-Hop >scene. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>don't think that is truethe rave scene developed out of the northern >>>>>soul scene (from what i've read)...original rave music was acid house >>(the >>>>>other key ingredient to raves was the rapid take up of ecstacy at the >>same >>>>>time) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>I don't agree that the Acid House Scene was the Rave Scene. I think it >>was definetly >>>>"proto-rave", but I don't feel RAVE happened until after the Acid House >>Raids in 1989, and >>>>1/2 the promoters went underground into the warehouses. That is when the >>culture grew, and >>>>it wasn't just a random occurence of club-rebellion. >>>> >>>> >>> >>>hmmm we'll agree to disagree... :) >>> >>>rave was defo happening around 88's summer of love (see the national >>>newspaper headlines!!), this was quite a bit before hardcore happened >>>which was 89/90 -> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>> Hence all the >>>>>>dancehall and "street" influences in the original Rave Music: Hardcore. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>that came later... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>nah, Hardcore started in 1987, with Lennie de Ice's "We Are I.E.", and >the >>early SUAD >>>>releases. >>>> >>>> >>> >>>SUAD started in 1989 (i have a few of their releases, froma round the >>>time) and i'm failry sure "we are ie" came out in 89 too (what a tune btw) >>> >>> >>>cheers >>> >>>robin... >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily >>represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically >>stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended >>solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. >>If you have received this email in error, please notify >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >
RE: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile)
Really? I stand corrected. Clearly, I'm not as "down with the kids" as I thought I was! -Original Message- From: Nicole Slavin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 6:05 PM To: Robert Taylor; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) > I think rave is now seen primarily as an embarrassing >word that parents and authority figures use to decribe something that the >kids get up to. Nope, the kids i teach use it all the time to describe the parties they go to, which play music along the lines of pop/garage/rnb. >Now that large scale raves are happening in the US, it seems that the word >has had something of a renaissance, but only in the US. when i was in the US seemed to be pretty much used to describe anything with two or more people with a glowstick in tow. But then again, some US 313ers called me a raver for wearing coloured hairclips and bracelets! :) >-Original Message- >From: glyph1001 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:45 PM >Cc: 313@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) > > >I will have to agree with robin here and I'm from the US. I read this >article in an old DJ Magazine that talked about "The Summer of Love" >and there was a part where someone would say (I'm paraphrasing here) >"you gonna rave? or have you raved yet?" which meant taking a hit of e >and going to a party and "rave" like mad. Indeed the Acid House and >Rave are one of the same. \ I suggest doing some research at the mag's >website. > > > >robin pinning wrote: > >>>>>The rave scene started over there, as their answer to our Hip-Hop scene. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>don't think that is truethe rave scene developed out of the northern >>>>soul scene (from what i've read)...original rave music was acid house >(the >>>>other key ingredient to raves was the rapid take up of ecstacy at the >same >>>>time) >>>> >>>> >>>I don't agree that the Acid House Scene was the Rave Scene. I think it >was definetly >>>"proto-rave", but I don't feel RAVE happened until after the Acid House >Raids in 1989, and >>>1/2 the promoters went underground into the warehouses. That is when the >culture grew, and >>>it wasn't just a random occurence of club-rebellion. >>> >>> >> >>hmmm we'll agree to disagree... :) >> >>rave was defo happening around 88's summer of love (see the national >>newspaper headlines!!), this was quite a bit before hardcore happened >>which was 89/90 -> >> >> >> >>>>> Hence all the >>>>>dancehall and "street" influences in the original Rave Music: Hardcore. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>that came later... >>>> >>>> >>>nah, Hardcore started in 1987, with Lennie de Ice's "We Are I.E.", and the >early SUAD >>>releases. >>> >>> >> >>SUAD started in 1989 (i have a few of their releases, froma round the >>time) and i'm failry sure "we are ie" came out in 89 too (what a tune btw) >> >> >>cheers >> >>robin... >> >> >> >> > > > >Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily >represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically >stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended >solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. >If you have received this email in error, please notify >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile)
On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, James Bucknell wrote: > there isn't much crossover in the birthplace of hip hop in the south > bronx/upper manhattan. when i'd go to the police athletics league gym on > 118st and manhattan ave. any house, electro or techno cds i put on promptly > got thrown off and replaced by hot 97 (bringing you blazin hip hop). i > declined to dj at our block party because it was patently obvious that > nobody was interested in hearing anything but hip hop (and the electric > slide, of course). but block parties are a genre of their own. > james I don't know if I'd expect cross over there though. The Black east coast, for reasons I don't completely understand, has always looked to hiphop as its dance music of choice. Not house (exception perhaps being the hip-house craze), not techno. Much more diversity in spots like detroit and chicago, largely because they'd created musics of their own that were played alongside of hiphop. peace lks
RE: (313) Re: [313] Hip-hop & Techno
More precisely, that sample is from Tracks on the Rocks vol. 2, which was credited to Bangalter alone, not with his Daft Punk partner, Guy Manuel De Homem-Christo. I also heard a rumor that as a result of sampling the tune, Bangalter requested Jay Dee's assistance on a future work, rather than imposing a lawsuit for royalties. Matthew -Original Message- From: jurren baars [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:16 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Re: [313] Hip-hop & Techno jay dee also used a daft punk sample on 'raise it up' from 'fantastic volume 2'. the story behind this was, that he picked up a white label copy of that album, and figured it was some obscure techno band, so people probably would never find out where the sample came from. daft punk heard 'raise it up', and immediately spotted the sample. jay dee was then asked for a remix of one of their songs.
(313) Re: [313] Hip-hop & Techno
From: Ian Dinsmor: I was working the other night, and in walks Jay Dee, only to ask for Herbert's "Bodily Functions" LP. Behold, the paths of hip hop and "techno" cross in ways. as mentioned allready, there was a sample of that album used on the album 'trinity'. the sample was even mentioned on the sleeve. jay dee also used a daft punk sample on 'raise it up' from 'fantastic volume 2'. the story behind this was, that he picked up a white label copy of that album, and figured it was some obscure techno band, so people probably would never find out where the sample came from. daft punk heard 'raise it up', and immediately spotted the sample. jay dee was then asked for a remix of one of their songs. ánd on 'trinity' there's another song that sounds A LOT like it's based on a sample from 'sharivari'. anyone know how those shake hip-hop tracks are received within the hip-hop community? or that album on sublime, or those hipnotech releases? jurren _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
RE: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile)
Bit late in the day to throw in my 2 cents, but the way I understand it is this: Rave is a term rarely in use these days in the UK, and then it is usually just used as a verb, ie to go raving. Its use as a noun to describe the large-scale semi-legal/illegal outdoor events that occurred in the late 80s/early 90s has largely dropped out of use in England because these events don't really happen anymore (thanks to the Criminal Justice Bill), except as large corporate sponsored events. It was also used to describe the music played at some of these events, a sound that diversified into jungle and happy hardcore. I think many people also used it to describe the more commercial music that was coming out - tunes like Smart Es' Sesam-E Street and Prodigy's Charly (incidentally Mills dropped this in his recent set at The End in London). I think rave is now seen primarily as an embarrassing word that parents and authority figures use to decribe something that the kids get up to. Now that large scale raves are happening in the US, it seems that the word has had something of a renaissance, but only in the US. -Original Message- From: glyph1001 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:45 PM Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) I will have to agree with robin here and I'm from the US. I read this article in an old DJ Magazine that talked about "The Summer of Love" and there was a part where someone would say (I'm paraphrasing here) "you gonna rave? or have you raved yet?" which meant taking a hit of e and going to a party and "rave" like mad. Indeed the Acid House and Rave are one of the same. \ I suggest doing some research at the mag's website. robin pinning wrote: >>>>The rave scene started over there, as their answer to our Hip-Hop scene. >>>> >>>> >>>don't think that is truethe rave scene developed out of the northern >>>soul scene (from what i've read)...original rave music was acid house (the >>>other key ingredient to raves was the rapid take up of ecstacy at the same >>>time) >>> >>> >>I don't agree that the Acid House Scene was the Rave Scene. I think it was definetly >>"proto-rave", but I don't feel RAVE happened until after the Acid House Raids in 1989, and >>1/2 the promoters went underground into the warehouses. That is when the culture grew, and >>it wasn't just a random occurence of club-rebellion. >> >> > >hmmm we'll agree to disagree... :) > >rave was defo happening around 88's summer of love (see the national >newspaper headlines!!), this was quite a bit before hardcore happened >which was 89/90 -> > > > >>>> Hence all the >>>>dancehall and "street" influences in the original Rave Music: Hardcore. >>>> >>>> >>>that came later... >>> >>> >>nah, Hardcore started in 1987, with Lennie de Ice's "We Are I.E.", and the early SUAD >>releases. >> >> > >SUAD started in 1989 (i have a few of their releases, froma round the >time) and i'm failry sure "we are ie" came out in 89 too (what a tune btw) > > >cheers > >robin... > > > > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile)
there isn't much crossover in the birthplace of hip hop in the south bronx/upper manhattan. when i'd go to the police athletics league gym on 118st and manhattan ave. any house, electro or techno cds i put on promptly got thrown off and replaced by hot 97 (bringing you blazin hip hop). i declined to dj at our block party because it was patently obvious that nobody was interested in hearing anything but hip hop (and the electric slide, of course). but block parties are a genre of their own. james > > >>> I know plenty of current hip hop fans who are also massively into techno. >>> Its certainly not true to say that hating techno is an ingrained part of the >>> culture, as was suggested in the original post. >>> Also, we need to be clear here on whether were talking about B-boys or Puff >>> Daddy fans... >>> >>> Sean. >> >> >> >> >> >> >
Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile)
I like the sound of that pitched down TR-808 http://www.slumpsouth.com/emcees/md.htm
Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile)
slow chopped up beats pitched down "phuture" like vocals is popular in the hood where I live. it's like the opposite of Detroit booty bass. http://www.slumpsouth.com
Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile)
11/12/2002 10:01:17 AM, robin pinning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I don't disagree that it may have been a form of "proto-rave", but I don't >> feel it is >> anywhere at all in the same boat as what we call Rave nowadays, especially >> in this country. >> The Acid House Scene to me is more of a neo-hippie, political stance against >> club culture, >> that was for anyone; Rave is more of an underground, elitist, >> apathetic-about-politics >> (until recently anyway), scene that is very cultural and tight, as oppossed >> to a "free >> love" kinda hippie-ish thing in the Acid House Scene. > >aha, we differ in what we call "Rave"uk vs. us culture. > >fair enough... To me, I just feel that Rave was formed after the raids when promoters went underground, regardless of whether people were saying "let's rave" before that, simply because I don't feel that Rave had a distinct CULTURAL until that point. It's just the overall feeling I get from reading about/learning about the 88 acid house scene, and how "concert-y" it was, as oppossed to warehouse raves which had this mystical culture around them. >> 1987 was We Are IE, which is generally considered to be the first Hardcore >> tune. > >i find that date hard to believei remember the tune >coming out and being hammered on the sheffield (uk) pirate stations at the >timei was in sheff from 89-> > >you could be right tho I could be wrong, but I am an old skool hardcore DJ, and that is what I've been told by a number of people in the old skool uk scene. >> >SUAD started in 1989 (i have a few of their releases, froma round the >> >time) and i'm failry sure "we are ie" came out in 89 too (what a tune btw) >> >> I have SUAD1 and its 87 or 88. And We Are IE was on plate in 87, it didnt >> get pressed >> until 89, but was being played before that. > >http://www.shutupanddance.co.uk Ahhh, well, I stand corrected here. Thansk for the info, I didnt even think to check their site. :) --- -Ian Entropy (bhpc, happy vibe rec, new sample revolution, n.e. hardcore, boston) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.djentropy.com Soulseek: djentropy AIM: DJEntropy WinMX: djentropy422
RE: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile)
Also Techno Animal, and I also found stuff lik Dynamo, Arovane... to be hip-hopish. Jerne www.soundoflj.com/octex -Original Message- From: moog [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 7:40 PM To: jonathan morse; Tristan Watkins; Sean Creen; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; DJ Entropy Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) also finkstroung r somewhere between hip hop and techno - Original Message - From: "jonathan morse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tristan Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Sean Creen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "DJ Entropy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:35 PM Subject: Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) > two words: ninja tunes > > > > On 11/12/02 12:33 PM, "Tristan Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Sean Creen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Tristan Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "DJ > > Entropy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:22 PM > > Subject: RE: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) > > > > > >> > >>> While I can see that many techno converts have come from a hip hop > >>> background, I'd be inclined to side with Cyclone that especially today, > >> it's > >>> not terribly in-favor in the hip hop world. Even in the past this > >>> is > > true. > >> > >> I know plenty of current hip hop fans who are also massively into techno. > >> Its certainly not true to say that hating techno is an ingrained > >> part of > > the > >> culture, as was suggested in the original post. > >> Also, we need to be clear here on whether were talking about B-boys > >> or > > Puff > >> Daddy fans... > > > > I don't know. I've always seen the world of underground hip hop as > > being pretty receptive to incorporating or listening to other > > styles, but what percentage of the hip hop world is listenening to > > or participating in underground hip hop? I don't mean De La Soul, > > but the band that presses 1000 > > copies of their own record. If this was the culture Eminem came > > from, it's > > not the culture he helps define today. So yeah, I'm seeing mainstrem > > hip hop > > (which doesn't need to be defined by Puff Daddy) this way, but it's > > just a > > generalization. I know many exceptions, but I think the rule holds > > true. Hip > > hop is a big world. > > > > Tristan > > = > > Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com > > Music: http://www.mp313.com > > Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for > > a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com > > > > > > > >
Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno
Slum Village are taking it somewhere, same with The Roots, and even Black Eyed Peas, and all have taken inspiration from electronic music, in the latter two cases drum 'n' bass, but I think that a lot of underground hip-hop is caught up in a romantic past. Take for example People Under The Stairs. Ugly Duckling. It's cool, conscious, fun, but is it really innovative? They're not open to fresh influences. There's actually more innovation in the more commercial sphere, production-wise, with the likes of Timbaland and The Neptunes. I don't think Puff is defining commercial hip-hop at the moment, and hasn't for a couple of years at least. I think he's plateaued and been superseded by Irv Gotti, etc. The hip-hop underground is probably bigger than it ever was, it exists separately from commercial hip-hop. Those bands do better as live touring acts. You have to remember that Eminem was very much part of the underground pre-Dre. Of course the headz will always say Infinite was his best work! :) > I don't know. I've always seen the world of underground hip hop as being > pretty receptive to incorporating or listening to other styles, but what > percentage of the hip hop world is listenening to or participating in > underground hip hop? I don't mean De La Soul, but the band that presses 1000 > copies of their own record. If this was the culture Eminem came from, it's > not the culture he helps define today. So yeah, I'm seeing mainstrem hip hop > (which doesn't need to be defined by Puff Daddy) this way, but it's just a > generalization. I know many exceptions, but I think the rule holds true. Hip > hop is a big world.
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> also finkstroung r somewhere between hip hop and techno ooh, while were talking of fusions of hip hop and electronic music, may I recommend the new machine drum album "urban biology" and the new morris nightingale vs. kristuit salu album "my mines i". Both on the miami label merck ( http://www.m3rck.net/ ). Machine drum is playing live at the warp x-mas pool party at aquarium on 20/12 in london too. Smallfish have stocks of the new album I think. IMHO much more soulful than prefuse and funkstorung. also the new prefuse 73 / mos def 12" is rather good. . [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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prefuse 73 is - Original Message - From: "jonathan morse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tristan Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Sean Creen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "DJ Entropy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 1:35 PM Subject: Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) > two words: ninja tunes > > > > On 11/12/02 12:33 PM, "Tristan Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Sean Creen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Tristan Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "DJ > > Entropy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:22 PM > > Subject: RE: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) > > > > > >> > >>> While I can see that many techno converts have come from a hip hop > >>> background, I'd be inclined to side with Cyclone that especially today, > >> it's > >>> not terribly in-favor in the hip hop world. Even in the past this is > > true. > >> > >> I know plenty of current hip hop fans who are also massively into techno. > >> Its certainly not true to say that hating techno is an ingrained part of > > the > >> culture, as was suggested in the original post. > >> Also, we need to be clear here on whether were talking about B-boys or > > Puff > >> Daddy fans... > > > > I don't know. I've always seen the world of underground hip hop as being > > pretty receptive to incorporating or listening to other styles, but what > > percentage of the hip hop world is listenening to or participating in > > underground hip hop? I don't mean De La Soul, but the band that presses 1000 > > copies of their own record. If this was the culture Eminem came from, it's > > not the culture he helps define today. So yeah, I'm seeing mainstrem hip hop > > (which doesn't need to be defined by Puff Daddy) this way, but it's just a > > generalization. I know many exceptions, but I think the rule holds true. Hip > > hop is a big world. > > > > Tristan > > = > > Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com > > Music: http://www.mp313.com > > Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for > > a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com > > > > > > >
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also finkstroung r somewhere between hip hop and techno - Original Message - From: "jonathan morse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tristan Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Sean Creen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "DJ Entropy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:35 PM Subject: Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) > two words: ninja tunes > > > > On 11/12/02 12:33 PM, "Tristan Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Sean Creen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Tristan Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "DJ > > Entropy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:22 PM > > Subject: RE: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) > > > > > >> > >>> While I can see that many techno converts have come from a hip hop > >>> background, I'd be inclined to side with Cyclone that especially today, > >> it's > >>> not terribly in-favor in the hip hop world. Even in the past this is > > true. > >> > >> I know plenty of current hip hop fans who are also massively into techno. > >> Its certainly not true to say that hating techno is an ingrained part of > > the > >> culture, as was suggested in the original post. > >> Also, we need to be clear here on whether were talking about B-boys or > > Puff > >> Daddy fans... > > > > I don't know. I've always seen the world of underground hip hop as being > > pretty receptive to incorporating or listening to other styles, but what > > percentage of the hip hop world is listenening to or participating in > > underground hip hop? I don't mean De La Soul, but the band that presses 1000 > > copies of their own record. If this was the culture Eminem came from, it's > > not the culture he helps define today. So yeah, I'm seeing mainstrem hip hop > > (which doesn't need to be defined by Puff Daddy) this way, but it's just a > > generalization. I know many exceptions, but I think the rule holds true. Hip > > hop is a big world. > > > > Tristan > > = > > Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com > > Music: http://www.mp313.com > > Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for > > a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com > > > > > > > >
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two words: ninja tunes On 11/12/02 12:33 PM, "Tristan Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Sean Creen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Tristan Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "DJ > Entropy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:22 PM > Subject: RE: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) > > >> >>> While I can see that many techno converts have come from a hip hop >>> background, I'd be inclined to side with Cyclone that especially today, >> it's >>> not terribly in-favor in the hip hop world. Even in the past this is > true. >> >> I know plenty of current hip hop fans who are also massively into techno. >> Its certainly not true to say that hating techno is an ingrained part of > the >> culture, as was suggested in the original post. >> Also, we need to be clear here on whether were talking about B-boys or > Puff >> Daddy fans... > > I don't know. I've always seen the world of underground hip hop as being > pretty receptive to incorporating or listening to other styles, but what > percentage of the hip hop world is listenening to or participating in > underground hip hop? I don't mean De La Soul, but the band that presses 1000 > copies of their own record. If this was the culture Eminem came from, it's > not the culture he helps define today. So yeah, I'm seeing mainstrem hip hop > (which doesn't need to be defined by Puff Daddy) this way, but it's just a > generalization. I know many exceptions, but I think the rule holds true. Hip > hop is a big world. > > Tristan > = > Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com > Music: http://www.mp313.com > Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for > a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com > > >
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- Original Message - From: "Sean Creen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tristan Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "DJ Entropy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:22 PM Subject: RE: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) > > >While I can see that many techno converts have come from a hip hop > >background, I'd be inclined to side with Cyclone that especially today, > it's > >not terribly in-favor in the hip hop world. Even in the past this is true. > > I know plenty of current hip hop fans who are also massively into techno. > Its certainly not true to say that hating techno is an ingrained part of the > culture, as was suggested in the original post. > Also, we need to be clear here on whether were talking about B-boys or Puff > Daddy fans... I don't know. I've always seen the world of underground hip hop as being pretty receptive to incorporating or listening to other styles, but what percentage of the hip hop world is listenening to or participating in underground hip hop? I don't mean De La Soul, but the band that presses 1000 copies of their own record. If this was the culture Eminem came from, it's not the culture he helps define today. So yeah, I'm seeing mainstrem hip hop (which doesn't need to be defined by Puff Daddy) this way, but it's just a generalization. I know many exceptions, but I think the rule holds true. Hip hop is a big world. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com
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Count me in on that category. I can't really stand puffy and his camp (G-Dep and Craig Mack being the lone exceptions... sometimes). I'd rather listen to 7L and Esoteric, Cannibal Ox, Souls of Mischief, or Rasco than Nore, Cam'ron, Eve, etc... But I still love techno. -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:05 PM To: 313 Detroit Subject: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) Well I have been covering hip-hop in the media for most of the 90s 'til now and I would disagree! I know what hip-hop headz (I mean headz) can be like! Your purist underground hip-hop head usually does have an adversion to techno. As far as 'electronica' they may - may- accept drum 'n' bass. Of course hip-hop pioneers were originally very open to all styles, but, as with any style, over time it produces 'purists'. The same purists probably decry R&B samples and think P Diddy/Puff Daddy is the enemy. They have a musical 'ideal' and anything that veers away from that is somehow invalid. >> I know plenty of current hip hop fans who are also massively into techno. >>Its certainly not true to say that hating techno is an ingrained part of the >>culture, as was suggested in the original post. >>Also, we need to be clear here on whether were talking about B-boys or Puff >>Daddy fans... >> >>Sean. > > > > > >
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Well I have been covering hip-hop in the media for most of the 90s 'til now and I would disagree! I know what hip-hop headz (I mean headz) can be like! Your purist underground hip-hop head usually does have an adversion to techno. As far as 'electronica' they may - may- accept drum 'n' bass. Of course hip-hop pioneers were originally very open to all styles, but, as with any style, over time it produces 'purists'. The same purists probably decry R&B samples and think P Diddy/Puff Daddy is the enemy. They have a musical 'ideal' and anything that veers away from that is somehow invalid. >> I know plenty of current hip hop fans who are also massively into techno. >>Its certainly not true to say that hating techno is an ingrained part of the >>culture, as was suggested in the original post. >>Also, we need to be clear here on whether were talking about B-boys or Puff >>Daddy fans... >> >>Sean. > > > > > >
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i like hiphop :) check the last jazzy jeff album personally prefered above the last slum village album i know several hiphop heads, and many of them are pretty into the breaky side of techno - shake, carl craig, etc. At 12-11-2002 + 16:22, you wrote: >While I can see that many techno converts have come from a hip hop >background, I'd be inclined to side with Cyclone that especially today, it's >not terribly in-favor in the hip hop world. Even in the past this is true. I know plenty of current hip hop fans who are also massively into techno. Its certainly not true to say that hating techno is an ingrained part of the culture, as was suggested in the original post. Also, we need to be clear here on whether were talking about B-boys or Puff Daddy fans... Sean.
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>While I can see that many techno converts have come from a hip hop >background, I'd be inclined to side with Cyclone that especially today, it's >not terribly in-favor in the hip hop world. Even in the past this is true. I know plenty of current hip hop fans who are also massively into techno. Its certainly not true to say that hating techno is an ingrained part of the culture, as was suggested in the original post. Also, we need to be clear here on whether were talking about B-boys or Puff Daddy fans... Sean.
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- Original Message - From: "robin pinning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "DJ Entropy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:01 PM Subject: Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) > aha, we differ in what we call "Rave"uk vs. us culture. > > fair enough... Yeah. Pump Up the Volume 3 covers this all pretty well I think. Time to fire it back up? :) Re: Cyclone and Stewart's comments about hip hop as an entry point, I think it's safe to say that techno has a number of different 'gateway' styles, from hip hop to industrial to trance or whatever you may be exposed to that gets you into the beat, since most people don't hear techno right outta pop music. While I can see that many techno converts have come from a hip hop background, I'd be inclined to side with Cyclone that especially today, it's not terribly in-favor in the hip hop world. Even in the past this is true. The hip hop scene is just so much bigger than the electronic music scene (at least in the states, which is kind of what this discussion was about) that if a few people 'convert' to techno it doesn't mean much about the mass attitude towards techno in the hip hop scene. Also, I think you'll find more people who are into techno that like hip hop than vice versa. You could probably even say that more white hip hop fans come to techno than other ethnicities. Whatever, my point was that hip hop culture *can* be pretty exclusive, and it's just as inane there as here... Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com
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I will have to agree with robin here and I'm from the US. I read this article in an old DJ Magazine that talked about "The Summer of Love" and there was a part where someone would say (I'm paraphrasing here) "you gonna rave? or have you raved yet?" which meant taking a hit of e and going to a party and "rave" like mad. Indeed the Acid House and Rave are one of the same. \ I suggest doing some research at the mag's website. robin pinning wrote: The rave scene started over there, as their answer to our Hip-Hop scene. don't think that is truethe rave scene developed out of the northern soul scene (from what i've read)...original rave music was acid house (the other key ingredient to raves was the rapid take up of ecstacy at the same time) I don't agree that the Acid House Scene was the Rave Scene. I think it was definetly "proto-rave", but I don't feel RAVE happened until after the Acid House Raids in 1989, and 1/2 the promoters went underground into the warehouses. That is when the culture grew, and it wasn't just a random occurence of club-rebellion. hmmm we'll agree to disagree... :) rave was defo happening around 88's summer of love (see the national newspaper headlines!!), this was quite a bit before hardcore happened which was 89/90 -> Hence all the dancehall and "street" influences in the original Rave Music: Hardcore. that came later... nah, Hardcore started in 1987, with Lennie de Ice's "We Are I.E.", and the early SUAD releases. SUAD started in 1989 (i have a few of their releases, froma round the time) and i'm failry sure "we are ie" came out in 89 too (what a tune btw) cheers robin...
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> >hmmm we'll agree to disagree... :) > > > >rave was defo happening around 88's summer of love (see the national > >newspaper headlines!!), > > I don't disagree that it may have been a form of "proto-rave", but I don't > feel it is > anywhere at all in the same boat as what we call Rave nowadays, especially in > this country. > The Acid House Scene to me is more of a neo-hippie, political stance against > club culture, > that was for anyone; Rave is more of an underground, elitist, > apathetic-about-politics > (until recently anyway), scene that is very cultural and tight, as oppossed > to a "free > love" kinda hippie-ish thing in the Acid House Scene. aha, we differ in what we call "Rave"uk vs. us culture. fair enough... > 1987 was We Are IE, which is generally considered to be the first Hardcore > tune. i find that date hard to believei remember the tune coming out and being hammered on the sheffield (uk) pirate stations at the timei was in sheff from 89-> you could be right tho > >SUAD started in 1989 (i have a few of their releases, froma round the > >time) and i'm failry sure "we are ie" came out in 89 too (what a tune btw) > > I have SUAD1 and its 87 or 88. And We Are IE was on plate in 87, it didnt > get pressed > until 89, but was being played before that. http://www.shutupanddance.co.uk cheers robin...
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11/12/2002 9:31:55 AM, robin pinning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> The rave scene started over there, as their answer to our Hip-Hop scene. >> > >> > >> >don't think that is truethe rave scene developed out of the northern >> >soul scene (from what i've read)...original rave music was acid house (the >> >other key ingredient to raves was the rapid take up of ecstacy at the same >> >time) >> >> I don't agree that the Acid House Scene was the Rave Scene. I think it was >> definetly >> "proto-rave", but I don't feel RAVE happened until after the Acid House >> Raids in 1989, and >> 1/2 the promoters went underground into the warehouses. That is when the >> culture grew, and >> it wasn't just a random occurence of club-rebellion. > >hmmm we'll agree to disagree... :) > >rave was defo happening around 88's summer of love (see the national >newspaper headlines!!), I don't disagree that it may have been a form of "proto-rave", but I don't feel it is anywhere at all in the same boat as what we call Rave nowadays, especially in this country. The Acid House Scene to me is more of a neo-hippie, political stance against club culture, that was for anyone; Rave is more of an underground, elitist, apathetic-about-politics (until recently anyway), scene that is very cultural and tight, as oppossed to a "free love" kinda hippie-ish thing in the Acid House Scene. >this was quite a bit before hardcore happened >which was 89/90 -> 1987 was We Are IE, which is generally considered to be the first Hardcore tune. >> >> Hence all the >> >> dancehall and "street" influences in the original Rave Music: Hardcore. >> > >> >that came later... >> >> nah, Hardcore started in 1987, with Lennie de Ice's "We Are I.E.", and the >> early SUAD >> releases. > >SUAD started in 1989 (i have a few of their releases, froma round the >time) and i'm failry sure "we are ie" came out in 89 too (what a tune btw) I have SUAD1 and its 87 or 88. And We Are IE was on plate in 87, it didnt get pressed until 89, but was being played before that. --- -Ian Entropy (bhpc, happy vibe rec, new sample revolution, n.e. hardcore, boston) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.djentropy.com Soulseek: djentropy AIM: DJEntropy WinMX: djentropy422
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11/12/2002 9:32:49 AM, "Jongsma, K.J." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Hence all the >> >> dancehall and "street" influences in the original Rave >> Music: Hardcore. >> > >> >that came later... >> >> nah, Hardcore started in 1987, with Lennie de Ice's "We Are >> I.E.", and the early SUAD >> releases. > >Erm i am not interested in hardcore but Shut up and dance releasing records >in 1987? Yeah, I have SUAD1 and its from 87 or 88. --- -Ian Entropy (bhpc, happy vibe rec, new sample revolution, n.e. hardcore, boston) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.djentropy.com Soulseek: djentropy AIM: DJEntropy WinMX: djentropy422
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> >> Hence all the > >> dancehall and "street" influences in the original Rave > Music: Hardcore. > > > >that came later... > > nah, Hardcore started in 1987, with Lennie de Ice's "We Are > I.E.", and the early SUAD > releases. Erm i am not interested in hardcore but Shut up and dance releasing records in 1987? kj -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
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> >> The rave scene started over there, as their answer to our Hip-Hop scene. > > > > > >don't think that is truethe rave scene developed out of the northern > >soul scene (from what i've read)...original rave music was acid house (the > >other key ingredient to raves was the rapid take up of ecstacy at the same > >time) > > I don't agree that the Acid House Scene was the Rave Scene. I think it was > definetly > "proto-rave", but I don't feel RAVE happened until after the Acid House Raids > in 1989, and > 1/2 the promoters went underground into the warehouses. That is when the > culture grew, and > it wasn't just a random occurence of club-rebellion. hmmm we'll agree to disagree... :) rave was defo happening around 88's summer of love (see the national newspaper headlines!!), this was quite a bit before hardcore happened which was 89/90 -> > >> Hence all the > >> dancehall and "street" influences in the original Rave Music: Hardcore. > > > >that came later... > > nah, Hardcore started in 1987, with Lennie de Ice's "We Are I.E.", and the > early SUAD > releases. SUAD started in 1989 (i have a few of their releases, froma round the time) and i'm failry sure "we are ie" came out in 89 too (what a tune btw) cheers robin...
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11/12/2002 9:12:49 AM, robin pinning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >hi entropy, ello. :) >> The rave scene started over there, as their answer to our Hip-Hop scene. > > >don't think that is truethe rave scene developed out of the northern >soul scene (from what i've read)...original rave music was acid house (the >other key ingredient to raves was the rapid take up of ecstacy at the same >time) I don't agree that the Acid House Scene was the Rave Scene. I think it was definetly "proto-rave", but I don't feel RAVE happened until after the Acid House Raids in 1989, and 1/2 the promoters went underground into the warehouses. That is when the culture grew, and it wasn't just a random occurence of club-rebellion. >> Hence all the >> dancehall and "street" influences in the original Rave Music: Hardcore. > >that came later... nah, Hardcore started in 1987, with Lennie de Ice's "We Are I.E.", and the early SUAD releases. --- -Ian Entropy (bhpc, happy vibe rec, new sample revolution, n.e. hardcore, boston) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.djentropy.com Soulseek: djentropy AIM: DJEntropy WinMX: djentropy422
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hi entropy, > 11/12/2002 9:01:23 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >I think a lot of Hip Hop heads in the UK got into the whole rave scene over > >here in the > > late eighties/early nineties as being into hip hop got socially quite boring. > > > Over here? stewart's from here (UK)... > The rave scene started over there, as their answer to our Hip-Hop scene. don't think that is truethe rave scene developed out of the northern soul scene (from what i've read)...original rave music was acid house (the other key ingredient to raves was the rapid take up of ecstacy at the same time) > Hence all the > dancehall and "street" influences in the original Rave Music: Hardcore. that came later... and yeah i was into hip-hop before properly getting into techno/house in a big way robin...
Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile)
11/12/2002 9:01:23 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I think a lot of Hip Hop heads in the UK got into the whole rave scene over >here in the > late eighties/early nineties as being into hip hop got socially quite boring. Over here? The rave scene started over there, as their answer to our Hip-Hop scene. Hence all the dancehall and "street" influences in the original Rave Music: Hardcore. --- -Ian Entropy (bhpc, happy vibe rec, new sample revolution, n.e. hardcore, boston) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.djentropy.com Soulseek: djentropy AIM: DJEntropy WinMX: djentropy422
Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile)
Myself and the large majority of my close friends that are into techno were originally goose jacket, Public Enemy patch, Levi 501, kangol and fat laced addidas wearing hip hop heads in our early teens, though I dont listen to that much these days I still dust off the old BDP, PE, Stetsasonic albums from time to time. I think a lot of Hip Hop heads in the UK got into the whole rave scene over here in the late eighties/early nineties as being into hip hop got socially quite boring. Apart from the odd concert, unless you lived in London there wasn't much to do other than hang around amusement arcades and get into trouble. The whole rave/house scene was a lot more inviting and a lot of people discovered techno through that. Dont know about the young hip hop heads these days, but I mean we were listening to Cybertron before we had even heard of Chuck D, so it wasn't really that much of a leap. Though I do remember seeing Public Enemy live around the time of Nation of Millions and hearing Chuck D pan acid house as total crap. Stewart - Original Message - From: Sean Creen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Cyclone Wehner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 313 Detroit <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 1:48 PM Subject: RE: (313) 8-Mile > > >You forget that most hip-hop headz hate techno, > > What are you basing that comment on? I'm not having a pop at you, its just > that I've never found that to be the case at all! > > Sean. > > ___ Freeserve AnyTime, only £13.99 per month with one month's FREE trial! For more information visit http://www.freeserve.com/time/ or call free on 0800 970 8890
Re: [313] Hip-hop
yeah I saw her "perform" on The Chris Rock show and "French Kiss" was in the background. I really like her first album and image but she looks horrible now and that first single is garbage. I hope her career didn't die with Biggie. Five
Re: [313] Hip-hop
Speaking of hip hop... just got Notorious K.I.M. ... and what is sampled throughout the majority of track #2? to my infinite surprise (but then, it fits so well...) French Kiss... hope lil louis is getting paid... peace, h
