Re: [313] new Drexciya LP!
At 18:25 + 24-06-2002, Arne Weinberg wrote: JT, I am glad that someone from the list feels the same way that I do! I prefer a soulful good emotional "oldschool Detroit" record than the newest "Supa Dupa hype micro Macro sample glitch Hop House" record without any statement or emotion Yup, i agree in the end it is just wether you like a piece of music or not, if it is innovating that is just a nice extra. Why do you like techno, because its innovative or because you 'just happend to like music'? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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JT, I am glad that someone from the list feels the same way that I do! I prefer a soulful good emotional "oldschool Detroit" record than the newest "Supa Dupa hype micro Macro sample glitch Hop House" record without any statement or emotion Look at Jazz for example. There are many artists in this artful music that need a whole lifetime to find their personal style. Cheers, Arne "J. T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > here here!! bravo! > techno fans can be such anal retentive geeks who treat music like science! > innovation is well and good, new styles ok, > but i am really just looking for real ideas and expressions, its about "deep > music period" as some foolio once said ;) i'll be listening to "traditional > detroit styles" till i die as long as its stuff with original ideas, > personality and soul in it, and there is infinite room for this to continue > for a long time. when it comes down to it im most excited by great basslines > and melodies that i havent heard before, not entirely new sounds or styles > (altho sometimes those too, but its much rarer!). i think techno IS maturing > tho and this will become a more natural and relaxed thing to focus more on > depth, and not so schizophrenic (and trendy), as we all get older. > > ok, drexciya might not be inspired or getting new ideas to use with their > old sounds/style, and are getting a kick off new technology etc, but im not > gonna automatically like "wavejump-glitch" or whetever just because its > "fresh"... > > of course i am excited and checking their new stuff all the same, and > there's no accounting for taste.. > > jt > > >I think there is a strange phenomenon developing, with the acceleration of > >technology and culture... it seems people are no longer content to let > >artists develop and refine an original sound... instead, after two or three > >years, people get upset if artists don't go somewhere new. Traditionally, > >the time frame for developing as an artist was a lifetime. Now if someone > >does the same thing for ten years they are considered boring! I think it > >is unfair to expect artists and genres to develop at such a quick rate. > >And, if you haven't figured it out, I don't think techno is dying at all. > >It's just a little too much to expect that the boundaries will ALWAYS be > >getting pushed to some extreme year after year. Sometimes periods where > >art matures are good too, and may in the end produce some of the most > >refined and substantial works. Just my opinion... > > > >_dave.CyborgK > > > >Jongsma, K.J. wrote: > > > >I think drexciya just keep on improving and moving on. A lot > >of people will > >find out the 12" and album are great in a couple of years > > > >>>time IMO. > >>> > They're pushing the boundaries all the time. > > >>>Yes, I agree entirelyfar too many techno artists have become way too > >>>complacent and just content to ape the traditional Detroit styles. > >>> > >> > >>Far to many people expect to much from techno artists to... > >> > >> > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >>-- > >>DISCLAIMER > >> > >>De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele > >>aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar > >>geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). > >> > >>Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op > >>de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen > >>garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus > >>vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf > >>op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. > >>-- > >> > >>- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > > > > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > _ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- °°° www.arneweinberg.de STARBABY Rec. DOWN LOW MUSIC NATIVE Rec. KEYNOTE Rec. (ex-Ground Zero Rec.) °°° -
Re: [313] new Drexciya LP!
here here!! bravo! techno fans can be such anal retentive geeks who treat music like science! innovation is well and good, new styles ok, but i am really just looking for real ideas and expressions, its about "deep music period" as some foolio once said ;) i'll be listening to "traditional detroit styles" till i die as long as its stuff with original ideas, personality and soul in it, and there is infinite room for this to continue for a long time. when it comes down to it im most excited by great basslines and melodies that i havent heard before, not entirely new sounds or styles (altho sometimes those too, but its much rarer!). i think techno IS maturing tho and this will become a more natural and relaxed thing to focus more on depth, and not so schizophrenic (and trendy), as we all get older. ok, drexciya might not be inspired or getting new ideas to use with their old sounds/style, and are getting a kick off new technology etc, but im not gonna automatically like "wavejump-glitch" or whetever just because its "fresh"... of course i am excited and checking their new stuff all the same, and there's no accounting for taste.. jt I think there is a strange phenomenon developing, with the acceleration of technology and culture... it seems people are no longer content to let artists develop and refine an original sound... instead, after two or three years, people get upset if artists don't go somewhere new. Traditionally, the time frame for developing as an artist was a lifetime. Now if someone does the same thing for ten years they are considered boring! I think it is unfair to expect artists and genres to develop at such a quick rate. And, if you haven't figured it out, I don't think techno is dying at all. It's just a little too much to expect that the boundaries will ALWAYS be getting pushed to some extreme year after year. Sometimes periods where art matures are good too, and may in the end produce some of the most refined and substantial works. Just my opinion... _dave.CyborgK Jongsma, K.J. wrote: I think drexciya just keep on improving and moving on. A lot of people will find out the 12" and album are great in a couple of years time IMO. They're pushing the boundaries all the time. Yes, I agree entirelyfar too many techno artists have become way too complacent and just content to ape the traditional Detroit styles. Far to many people expect to much from techno artists to... [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] new Drexciya LP!
I think there is a strange phenomenon developing, with the acceleration of technology and culture... it seems people are no longer content to let artists develop and refine an original sound... instead, after two or three years, people get upset if artists don't go somewhere new. Traditionally, the time frame for developing as an artist was a lifetime. Now if someone does the same thing for ten years they are considered boring! I think it is unfair to expect artists and genres to develop at such a quick rate. And, if you haven't figured it out, I don't think techno is dying at all. It's just a little too much to expect that the boundaries will ALWAYS be getting pushed to some extreme year after year. Sometimes periods where art matures are good too, and may in the end produce some of the most refined and substantial works. Just my opinion... _dave.CyborgK Jongsma, K.J. wrote: I think drexciya just keep on improving and moving on. A lot of people will find out the 12" and album are great in a couple of years time IMO. They're pushing the boundaries all the time. Yes, I agree entirelyfar too many techno artists have become way too complacent and just content to ape the traditional Detroit styles. Far to many people expect to much from techno artists to... [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] new Drexciya LP!
> > > I think drexciya just keep on improving and moving on. A lot > > > of people will > > > find out the 12" and album are great in a couple of years > time IMO. > >They're pushing the boundaries all the time. > > Yes, I agree entirelyfar too many techno artists have > become way too > complacent and just content to ape the traditional Detroit styles. Far to many people expect to much from techno artists to... [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> I think drexciya just keep on improving and moving on. A lot > of people will > find out the 12" and album are great in a couple of years time IMO. They're pushing the boundaries all the time. Yes, I agree entirelyfar too many techno artists have become way too complacent and just content to ape the traditional Detroit styles. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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jt, The 12" is definitely more pounding than a lot of recent Drexciyan releases. That said, it's still a bit on the experimental tip. Two of the tracks are pounding techno grooves: one with a twisted sort of Detroit feel (offkey synth stabs) and the other with harsh spacy sounds layered in. The third has more of an electrobass feel, but still retains that Drexciyan deepness (probably my favorite of the 3 tracks). Nothing really "earcatching" with any of the tracks, but that's pretty much Drexciya's style of late (as you say, different and less direct). I passed on the last Tresor release as well but feel that this one is a bit better (although definitely not Drex's best work). g On Thursday, June 20, 2002, at 12:55 PM, J. T. wrote: aghh you guys are giving such conflicting opinions i guess i'll just wait and hear for myself! raoul! wutsup! you got me anxious to hear it but then i dont think they're getting "better & better" like you..not exactly worse, but different and less direct.. and alex! wutsup! you got me lowering my expectations, but then you are mentioning the last tresor stuff...which i thought was the absolute weakest! no basslines either, except for on about 3 tracks..(huh?) really meandering kinda nowhere stuff.. and then there's arne who's comparing it to drexciya 3 one of my favorites! i guess with these 3 crazily different opinions, it must be a classic! jt Start of message text nah, no basslines JT. I only have the 12", but I've listened to it a few times and it's nothing to write home about. The 12" and LP on Tresor are head and shoulders above this one, although I've not heard the full LP To be honest, I was a bit disappointed when I got it... 3 rhythm tracks really, no melody or bassline, at least one of which is abstract kind of electronica stuff. It's kind of closer to the Translusion thing than to the Drexciya thing on tresor.. "J. T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 20/06/2002 16:06:04 To:313@hyperreal.org cc:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [313] new Drexciya LP! hey tom can you offer up a little more info, or anybody else who's got it? koert? what other drex project might it compare with? if it's not too hot i'm guessing it's continuing like that last album? (i hope there are basslines this time...) jt > > ...There's also a 12", 'Drexcyen R.E.S.T. Principle', too. > >Which I bought last week and is pretty average IMHO... > >Cheers, > >Tom > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. The principal place of business of PricewaterhouseCoopers and its associate partnerships is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH where lists of the partners' names are available for inspection. All partners in the associate partnerships are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers. The UK firm of PricewaterhouseCoopers is authorised by the Financial Services Authority for investment business activities. PricewaterhouseCoopers is a member of the world-wide PricewaterhouseCoopers organisation. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. Visit our website http://www.pwcglobal.com _ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please c
RE: [313] new Drexciya LP!
I only heard the 12" so far but it is really a good one. I think the album will be like Raoul mentioned before. A mixture between really quiter electronic stuff and much more aggressive weird stuff like the "molecular enhancement" on Submerge JT, I think there won't be too much basslines on the album. Okay, just my opinion (and hope) Arne "Gwendal Cobert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > (salivating) > Gwendal > > > I really love the album. > > It's gonna be a doublelp/cd on clone. > > It's a quite experimental album. Some quiter stuff... Some > > harder tracks on > > there as well. > > I think drexciya just keep on improving and moving on. A lot > > of people will > > find out the 12" and album are great in a couple of years time IMO. > > They're pushing the boundaries all the time. > > > > Just my opinion, > > Raoul > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- °°° www.arneweinberg.de STARBABY Rec. DOWN LOW MUSIC NATIVE Rec. KEYNOTE Rec. (ex-Ground Zero Rec.) °°° - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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aghh you guys are giving such conflicting opinions i guess i'll just wait and hear for myself! raoul! wutsup! you got me anxious to hear it but then i dont think they're getting "better & better" like you..not exactly worse, but different and less direct.. and alex! wutsup! you got me lowering my expectations, but then you are mentioning the last tresor stuff...which i thought was the absolute weakest! no basslines either, except for on about 3 tracks..(huh?) really meandering kinda nowhere stuff.. and then there's arne who's comparing it to drexciya 3 one of my favorites! i guess with these 3 crazily different opinions, it must be a classic! jt Start of message text nah, no basslines JT. I only have the 12", but I've listened to it a few times and it's nothing to write home about. The 12" and LP on Tresor are head and shoulders above this one, although I've not heard the full LP To be honest, I was a bit disappointed when I got it... 3 rhythm tracks really, no melody or bassline, at least one of which is abstract kind of electronica stuff. It's kind of closer to the Translusion thing than to the Drexciya thing on tresor.. "J. T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 20/06/2002 16:06:04 To: 313@hyperreal.org cc:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [313] new Drexciya LP! hey tom can you offer up a little more info, or anybody else who's got it? koert? what other drex project might it compare with? if it's not too hot i'm guessing it's continuing like that last album? (i hope there are basslines this time...) jt > > ...There's also a 12", 'Drexcyen R.E.S.T. Principle', too. > >Which I bought last week and is pretty average IMHO... > >Cheers, > >Tom > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. The principal place of business of PricewaterhouseCoopers and its associate partnerships is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH where lists of the partners' names are available for inspection. All partners in the associate partnerships are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers. The UK firm of PricewaterhouseCoopers is authorised by the Financial Services Authority for investment business activities. PricewaterhouseCoopers is a member of the world-wide PricewaterhouseCoopers organisation. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. Visit our website http://www.pwcglobal.com _ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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(salivating) Gwendal > I really love the album. > It's gonna be a doublelp/cd on clone. > It's a quite experimental album. Some quiter stuff... Some > harder tracks on > there as well. > I think drexciya just keep on improving and moving on. A lot > of people will > find out the 12" and album are great in a couple of years time IMO. > They're pushing the boundaries all the time. > > Just my opinion, > Raoul - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I really love the album. It's gonna be a doublelp/cd on clone. It's a quite experimental album. Some quiter stuff... Some harder tracks on there as well. I think drexciya just keep on improving and moving on. A lot of people will find out the 12" and album are great in a couple of years time IMO. They're pushing the boundaries all the time. Just my opinion, Raoul - Original Message - From: "J. T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 20 June, 2002 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [313] new Drexciya LP! > hey tom can you offer up a little more info, or anybody else who's got it? > koert? > what other drex project might it compare with? if it's not too hot i'm > guessing it's continuing like that last album? (i hope there are basslines > this time...) > jt > > > > ...There's also a 12", 'Drexcyen R.E.S.T. Principle', too. > > > >Which I bought last week and is pretty average IMHO... > > > >Cheers, > > > >Tom > > > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > _ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hey tom can you offer up a little more info, or anybody else who's got it? koert? what other drex project might it compare with? if it's not too hot i'm guessing it's continuing like that last album? (i hope there are basslines this time...) jt > ...There's also a 12", 'Drexcyen R.E.S.T. Principle', too. Which I bought last week and is pretty average IMHO... Cheers, Tom - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> ...There's also a 12", 'Drexcyen R.E.S.T. Principle', too. Which I bought last week and is pretty average IMHO... Cheers, Tom - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] new Drexciya LP!
The Drexciyan onslaught continues: hot on the heels of the recent Tresor LP is a new one for Clone. Titled 'Grava 4', it has a bonkers space theme this time and 9 tracks. No idea about when it's out or formats (mine's a CD) but I will post a reaction once I've got to grips with it. www.clone.nl would probably be the place to look for more details in the meantime. There's also a 12", 'Drexcyen R.E.S.T. Principle', too. TOM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
