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Hans is right. And not only: Mike Banks told me in 1995 how much he respected what Richie Hawtin has done. This was at a time when there was a lot of resentment around Detroit about the course the Plus 8 crew had taken. Richie, Johnny Q and the others never disrespected the producers and musicians in Detroit, but their enthusiasm got them in a bit of trouble early on (the "Future Sound of Detroit" slogan etc.). To their credit, they made amends and when I talked with him, Mike acknowledged that. The real expert on this history remains Dan Sicko, and a lot of the story didn't make it into "Techno Rebels." I think Dan put exactly the right emphasis on it in print, and the rest is better left to the private views of those involved. There's another interesting postscript to the story. When the DEMF management went off course this year, Richie was the one who stood up and said what needed to be said. Where were all the other voices that should have been out there? I'm still wondering about that. I'm not particularly fond of his DJing style, actually, but I have total admiration for his focus on his music and his dedication to a healthy music scene. Richie, like Mike, is one of the people I count on to carry things forward in a productive and positive fashion. And they have never disappointed me. As for the 313 list. I've been privileged to participate here over the years, and what I have learned is how different this list is from many others. If you come in here shootin' off, you better know what you're saying, because not only are there those who know the story better, but often they were there in the story themselves. phred - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > There are no limitations thats only YOUR perspective! > > Uuuuh. There are limitations to how deep man can dive into the ocean, how high man can fly, how long man can live, how loud music can be before a man's eardrums blow out, how much weight you can lift. The fact of the matter is that there are limitations to us while we are in this dimension. I do agree, however, that there is a plane of existence where we are not limited, but, unfortunately, none of us are inhabiting that plane right now. Atleast none of us who are typing emails to the 313 list. I think what was said earlier pertained to realizing our limitations right now. In the long-run, including our after-life, I think that we are in-fact limitless. So I guess it just matters what time-scale we are using when we determine whether or not we are limited. Maybe the ones who really know that we are limitless in the after-life are those same ones who commit suicide in a hurry to get to that realm. But maybe that is a bad idea because we will ruin our chance to get to that plane. One thing we are not limited in is our imageination. "Imageination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world." -Albert Einstein- I agree with you all. I think it goes both ways. I find myself caught somewhere between science and reality--wanting to know everything, but understanding that that is impossible because there is no everything. Limited, yet limitless. Maybe being both is being limitless. I think so. I find myslef leaning toward the same opinion as stated above (wv909). The only thing I may disagree with is people insulting others. We all have different opinions and perspectives. Let's keep it that way and try not to impose our beliefs on others and trying to make people feel dumb. Our differences are what make us (all of us) a "limitless" entity--taking all of our beliefs and combining them into one all-encompassing opinion. Keep 313ing everyone and let's express our limitless existence, here in this dimension, thru music! This stuff is really cool to think about... "It's nod a tuma!" TJ www.djwraith.com www.mp3.com/wraith313 www.outrecords.com PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 10:31:03AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Your though process in regards to this is an amazement..and humourous > Definately though if he wanted to reply to my face I could be in A2 in 30 > minutes ..but instead he chose to 'cast senseless insults' > in return , as you put it.(Is he justified,but I'm not?) > And maybe you just hit on my very indirect point of worshiping a human... > >In regards to your 'P.S." whos "we"? you and him? > I sugesst you check out HYPEREAL.com most directly the story of how > the +8 people denied entry to DREXICYA and SUBMERGE crew at one of these > little forays into 'breaking laws' at a RAVE in an abandonded building,in > Detroit...This really shows the true aspect of open creativity and looking > ahead huh? http://www.ele-mental.org/ele_ment/said&did/mike.banks.speaks.html is the post you mean. It was sent by Mad Mike to 313 in 1995. It nowhere says it was a +8 party though that they were denied entrance to. Hans -- Hans Veneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://technotourist.org http://www.TV-99-AD.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Damn, talk about grinding someone else's axe. I'm pretty sure the boys of Submerge and Plus 8 have done a pretty good job of resolving some of those differences that probably occured 8 years ago. Whether or not you want to drive to Ann Arbor to have some intimate conversations with Kyle, the UR vs +8 feud really shouldn't be making you uptight. I sugesst you check out HYPEREAL.com most directly the story of how the +8 people denied entry to DREXICYA and SUBMERGE crew at one of these little forays into 'breaking laws' at a RAVE in an abandonded building,in Detroit...This really shows the true aspect of open creativity and looking ahead huh? > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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There are no limitations thats only YOUR perspective! > >the essence of not being controlled is to recognize the limitations of this >world.. those of man, and those of nature, and moving freely within them.. >it has nothing to do with a discussion about worshipping rich hawtin or a >vocoded voice from UR. > >worship no man. respect all. you definitely owe kyle dupuy an apology. we >all benefit from discourse, but not senseless insults. it amazes me what >people will say to others on-line or behind their backs when they aren't >looking in your eyes.. techno is about communication... and most of detroit >is a back-stabbing double talking smoke screen, the furthest thing from an >evolved sub-culture. >I definately do not owe anyone anything so get through to your grey matter.. Your though process in regards to this is an amazement..and humourous Definately though if he wanted to reply to my face I could be in A2 in 30 minutes ..but instead he chose to 'cast senseless insults' in return , as you put it.(Is he justified,but I'm not?) And maybe you just hit on my very indirect point of worshiping a human... >In regards to your 'P.S." whos "we"? you and him? I sugesst you check out HYPEREAL.com most directly the story of how the +8 people denied entry to DREXICYA and SUBMERGE crew at one of these little forays into 'breaking laws' at a RAVE in an abandonded building,in Detroit...This really shows the true aspect of open creativity and looking ahead huh? > >p.s. we like +8 and Hawtin because they are always looking ahead, always >open creatively, and we have a long history together of breaking laws and >dancing in abandoned buildings. > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
