Re: (313) Dan Curtin Sun EP - was Re: (313) the funky 808 drummer
- Original Message - From: "Odeluga, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Phonopsia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Matt MacQueen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "kj at technotourist dot org" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 7:30 AM Subject: RE: (313) Dan Curtin Sun EP - was Re: (313) the funky 808 drummer > Er, Thirded. You're a silly one, Mr. Odeluga. :) > 'Third From The Sun' EP on Peacefrog 1995, plus the collection on "Web of > Life" also Peacefrog is still some of the most spellbindingly melodic techno > I've heard. I've always thought that his drum programming is amazing. I'm a total knob! No wonder this sounded so familiar to me. I had the Web of Life CD since it came out, but it was stolen from me a couple of years ago. Doh! Time to go back on the hunt. > As I said to you recently Tristan, I feel it's plausible at a push to hear > Curtin's beat programming as proto-broken beats. You all know I love to > speculate, but I can't feel that it's too much of a push to see a link in > some quarters/senses. Yeah, I can definitely see it in a way, particularly in his earlier stuff. In fact there's a fair amount of proto-broken beat stuff I can think of, like Sensurreal and Gerd and some of the mid-90s Titonton stuff. But really if you wanna talk proto-broken beats check Pal Joey's 'Hot Music' and of course 'Bug in the Bassbin'. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) Dan Curtin Sun EP - was Re: (313) the funky 808 drummer
As I said earlier, I've not seen that collection for some years, but somebody might be selling somewhere online ... >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:52 PM >To: 313@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: (313) Dan Curtin Sun EP - was Re: (313) the funky 808 >drummer > > > if you can get your hands on a copy of, "the web of life" [PF >038] http://www.discogs.com/release/10289 ... there's a great >selection of earlier sinewave/metamorphic, dan curtin tracks. >this may prove easier then tracking down the individual EP's. >check dan's work as apogee on peacefrog as well > > cheers, > lrh > > > >> >> From: Matt MacQueen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: 2003/12/03 Wed AM 01:32:24 EST >> To: 313 <313@hyperreal.org>, >> Phonopsia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: (313) Dan Curtin Sun EP - was Re: (313) the funky 808 drummer >> >> >> tons of old Dan Curtin stuff could qualify in my book too.. any of >> >> tracks from 3rd from the Sun EP on 33rpm/Sinwave (forgot the track >> >> titles, but dang some of those are mad 808 "workouts") >> > >> > Absolutely! I've only just recently discovered that this is what it >> > is. I've >> > known those songs forever, but never but names to beats until the >> > other day. >> > Is it hard to find? Good pressings to seek out? Bad to avoid? Any >> > other info >> > I should know before plungeing in? >> >> Hmm well this is kind of a curious piece, so I got home and dug out my >> copy. I somehow was lucky enough to get one of the clear/pale green >> vinyl copies on 33rpm (was this the pressing before Sinewave perhaps? >> [Not to be confused with Synewave!]). Picked up mine at Record Time >> ages ago... but I think they're hard (but not impossible) to find used, >> maybe eBay. Here are pics of the only 2 versions of artwork I know >> about: >> >> http://www.discogs.com/view_images/?type=R&wid=81837 >> >> etching on the inside is DKB - RA331 (is that Damon Booker's >> initials or what?) >> inscription reads "put the needle to the groove and hear virtual >> reality" ... with NSC logo >> >> I have no idea of the # of these that came out... also there is no >> mention of Sinewave mine, maybe it was before? But it's got the "Black >> Market Promotion" label, which I also remember seeing on flyers in >> Detroit during that time.. anyone? The logo is vaguely familiar, it's >> a black and white graphic of a guy looks like he might be doing a >> wicked dance move with 2 fists kind of in the air? ha.. in fact now I >> remember, I think the record sleeve had a Black Market Promotions 3x5 >> "promo reply card" card in the jacket that I must have lost somewhere >> along the way, bah. >> >> Okay all pressing bullsh!t aside, this is one phenomenal 4-tracker of >> early Dan Curtin... (1992?) jaw-dropping change ups, sequences, drum >> programming, tons of 808, searing synth sounds and all around pure >> electronic techno funk. You can hear where Titonton took off from >> hearing this type of stuff and that whole Ohio/Columbus / Charles Noel >> / 21/22 and early Morgan Geist could even be traced back to these kind >> of sounds as a major influence. It's the detroit moods and crazy >> funky drum and synth programming.. he was the first to lay it down >> quite like this in such an incredible forceful way.. a tinge of >> breakbeat in it too. I must say I feel lucky to have it and it's one >> of my very favorites in the detroit end of my crates. Really a unique >> and totally funked-out piece of techno. >> >> Dan C. if you are lurking out there somewhere, was this your first >> record? How did it all go down? >> >> peace, >> Matt MacQueen >> >> >> >> >> > >
Re: (313) Dan Curtin Sun EP - was Re: (313) the funky 808 drummer
if you can get your hands on a copy of, "the web of life" [PF 038] http://www.discogs.com/release/10289 ... there's a great selection of earlier sinewave/metamorphic, dan curtin tracks. this may prove easier then tracking down the individual EP's. check dan's work as apogee on peacefrog as well cheers, lrh > > From: Matt MacQueen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/12/03 Wed AM 01:32:24 EST > To: 313 <313@hyperreal.org>, > Phonopsia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: (313) Dan Curtin Sun EP - was Re: (313) the funky 808 drummer > > >> tons of old Dan Curtin stuff could qualify in my book too.. any of > >> tracks from 3rd from the Sun EP on 33rpm/Sinwave (forgot the track > >> titles, but dang some of those are mad 808 "workouts") > > > > Absolutely! I've only just recently discovered that this is what it > > is. I've > > known those songs forever, but never but names to beats until the > > other day. > > Is it hard to find? Good pressings to seek out? Bad to avoid? Any > > other info > > I should know before plungeing in? > > Hmm well this is kind of a curious piece, so I got home and dug out my > copy. I somehow was lucky enough to get one of the clear/pale green > vinyl copies on 33rpm (was this the pressing before Sinewave perhaps? > [Not to be confused with Synewave!]). Picked up mine at Record Time > ages ago... but I think they're hard (but not impossible) to find used, > maybe eBay. Here are pics of the only 2 versions of artwork I know > about: > > http://www.discogs.com/view_images/?type=R&wid=81837 > > etching on the inside is DKB - RA331 (is that Damon Booker's > initials or what?) > inscription reads "put the needle to the groove and hear virtual > reality" ... with NSC logo > > I have no idea of the # of these that came out... also there is no > mention of Sinewave mine, maybe it was before? But it's got the "Black > Market Promotion" label, which I also remember seeing on flyers in > Detroit during that time.. anyone? The logo is vaguely familiar, it's > a black and white graphic of a guy looks like he might be doing a > wicked dance move with 2 fists kind of in the air? ha.. in fact now I > remember, I think the record sleeve had a Black Market Promotions 3x5 > "promo reply card" card in the jacket that I must have lost somewhere > along the way, bah. > > Okay all pressing bullsh!t aside, this is one phenomenal 4-tracker of > early Dan Curtin... (1992?) jaw-dropping change ups, sequences, drum > programming, tons of 808, searing synth sounds and all around pure > electronic techno funk. You can hear where Titonton took off from > hearing this type of stuff and that whole Ohio/Columbus / Charles Noel > / 21/22 and early Morgan Geist could even be traced back to these kind > of sounds as a major influence. It's the detroit moods and crazy > funky drum and synth programming.. he was the first to lay it down > quite like this in such an incredible forceful way.. a tinge of > breakbeat in it too. I must say I feel lucky to have it and it's one > of my very favorites in the detroit end of my crates. Really a unique > and totally funked-out piece of techno. > > Dan C. if you are lurking out there somewhere, was this your first > record? How did it all go down? > > peace, > Matt MacQueen > > > > >
RE: (313) Dan Curtin Sun EP - was Re: (313) the funky 808 drummer
the 'third from the sun' track is on dego and marc mac's deepest shade of techno vol 1 (never been lucky enough to get near a full 12 of it) probs my favorite track on there that i still play quite regularly (if anyone wwants to hear it it's on my "Lites Down Low" mix on www.emotionelectric.com) anyway the fact that it's on that compilation backs ken's statement below about it being proto-broken beats. and to get back to the original topic, great programming on all levels. robin... -> -Original Message- -> From: -> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -> org] On Behalf Of Odeluga, Ken -> Sent: 03 December 2003 07:31 -> To: Phonopsia; Matt MacQueen; kj at technotourist dot org; 313 -> Subject: RE: (313) Dan Curtin Sun EP - was Re: (313) the -> funky 808 drummer -> -> -> Er, Thirded. -> -> 'Third From The Sun' EP on Peacefrog 1995, plus the -> collection on "Web of -> Life" also Peacefrog is still some of the most -> spellbindingly melodic techno -> I've heard. I've always thought that his drum programming is amazing. -> -> As I said to you recently Tristan, I feel it's plausible at -> a push to hear -> Curtin's beat programming as proto-broken beats. You all -> know I love to -> speculate, but I can't feel that it's too much of a push to -> see a link in -> some quarters/senses. -> -> "Third From The Sun" is in my top 3 all-time techno tracks -> in the world -> ever! -> -> Peacefrog being Peacefrog, you're blessed with a lot of back -> catalogue still -> being available. However, it's been years since I saw that -> "Web of Life" -> collection anywhere. -> -> k -> -> -> -> >-Original Message- -> >From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -> >Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 2:27 AM -> >To: Matt MacQueen; kj at technotourist dot org; 313 -> >Subject: (313) Dan Curtin Sun EP - was Re: (313) the funky -> 808 drummer -> > -> > -> >- Original Message - -> >From: "Matt MacQueen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -> >To: "kj at technotourist dot org" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313" -> ><313@hyperreal.org> -> >Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:17 PM -> >Subject: Re: (313) the funky 808 drummer -> > -> > -> >> tons of old Dan Curtin stuff could qualify in my book too.. any of -> >> tracks from 3rd from the Sun EP on 33rpm/Sinwave (forgot -> the track -> >> titles, but dang some of those are mad 808 "workouts") -> > -> > -> >Absolutely! I've only just recently discovered that this is what -> >it is. I've -> >known those songs forever, but never but names to beats until the -> >other day. -> >Is it hard to find? Good pressings to seek out? Bad to avoid? Any -> >other info -> >I should know before plungeing in? -> > -> >Tristan -> >=== -> >http://www.phonopsia.co.uk -> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] -> > -> > -> > ->
RE: (313) Dan Curtin Sun EP - was Re: (313) the funky 808 drummer
Er, Thirded. 'Third From The Sun' EP on Peacefrog 1995, plus the collection on "Web of Life" also Peacefrog is still some of the most spellbindingly melodic techno I've heard. I've always thought that his drum programming is amazing. As I said to you recently Tristan, I feel it's plausible at a push to hear Curtin's beat programming as proto-broken beats. You all know I love to speculate, but I can't feel that it's too much of a push to see a link in some quarters/senses. "Third From The Sun" is in my top 3 all-time techno tracks in the world ever! Peacefrog being Peacefrog, you're blessed with a lot of back catalogue still being available. However, it's been years since I saw that "Web of Life" collection anywhere. k >-Original Message- >From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 2:27 AM >To: Matt MacQueen; kj at technotourist dot org; 313 >Subject: (313) Dan Curtin Sun EP - was Re: (313) the funky 808 drummer > > >- Original Message - >From: "Matt MacQueen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "kj at technotourist dot org" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313" ><313@hyperreal.org> >Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:17 PM >Subject: Re: (313) the funky 808 drummer > > >> tons of old Dan Curtin stuff could qualify in my book too.. any of >> tracks from 3rd from the Sun EP on 33rpm/Sinwave (forgot the track >> titles, but dang some of those are mad 808 "workouts") > > >Absolutely! I've only just recently discovered that this is what >it is. I've >known those songs forever, but never but names to beats until the >other day. >Is it hard to find? Good pressings to seek out? Bad to avoid? Any >other info >I should know before plungeing in? > >Tristan >=== >http://www.phonopsia.co.uk >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >
