from:"Caleb Knauer via Af"

Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer

2014-12-30 Thread Caleb Knauer via Af

Yeah, it'll read whatever your wireless card reads in the tablet/phone.

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:
> Is it dual band?
>
> From: Jerry Richardson (airCloud) via Af
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:05 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
>
>
> Just put this app on a cheap nook tablet and it’s actually pretty good.
>
>
>
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.farproc.wifi.analyzer&hl=en
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 12:59 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
>
>
>
> I don’t want the spam.
>
>
>
> From: Josh Luthman via Af
>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:56 PM
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
>
>
>
> Need to request a quote =/
>
>
>
> http://www.bvsystems.com/Products/Spectrum/BumbleBee-EX/bumblebee-exRFQ.htm
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:
>
> Looking at everything.  Fluke has a nice one.
> Cannot find a price for this device:
>
> BumbleBee-EX Spectrum Analyzer
>
>
> From: Josh Luthman via Af
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:53 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
>
> If you're just looking for Wifi stuff I'd use this too.  Doesn't sound like
> you need 2.4, just Wifi.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Daniel White via Af  wrote:
>
> Android cell phone app.  Free!
>
> Daniel White – Managing Director
> SAF North America LLC
>
> Cell:  (303) 746-3590
> Skype: danieldwhite
> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via
> Af
>
>
>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:32 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
>
> Looking for something under $300
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Daniel White via Af
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 12:49 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
>
> Compared to what ;-)  Certainly a lot less than an Agilent/Keysight Fieldfox
> or
> Anritsu Sitemaster.
>
> Honestly I doubt it’s the tool you want for this job.
>
> I think you pick your poison - WiFi based are thinks like WiSpy, or even an
> app
> on an Android phone... or you go all out for a spectrum analyzer like
> Aaronia
> or SAF (which is a whole different debate).
>
> Daniel White – Managing Director
> SAF North America LLC
>
> Cell:  (303) 746-3590
> Skype: danieldwhite
> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via
>> Af
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 11:06 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
>>
>> Spendy as I recall.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Seth Mattinen via Af
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:49 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
>>
>> On 12/30/14 9:45, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
>> > Looking more for a handheld device that has a nice screen, dual band.
>>
>> SAF Spectrum Compact has a model for 2.000 - 8.000 GHz.
>>
>> ~Seth
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer

2014-12-30 Thread Caleb Knauer via Af

Run this on a Nexus 7 and it works well.

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) via Af
 wrote:
> Just put this app on a cheap nook tablet and it’s actually pretty good.
>
>
>
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.farproc.wifi.analyzer&hl=en
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 12:59 PM
>
>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
>
>
>
> I don’t want the spam.
>
>
>
> From: Josh Luthman via Af
>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:56 PM
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
>
>
>
> Need to request a quote =/
>
>
>
> http://www.bvsystems.com/Products/Spectrum/BumbleBee-EX/bumblebee-exRFQ.htm
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:
>
> Looking at everything.  Fluke has a nice one.
> Cannot find a price for this device:
>
> BumbleBee-EX Spectrum Analyzer
>
>
> From: Josh Luthman via Af
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:53 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
>
> If you're just looking for Wifi stuff I'd use this too.  Doesn't sound like
> you need 2.4, just Wifi.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Daniel White via Af  wrote:
>
> Android cell phone app.  Free!
>
> Daniel White – Managing Director
> SAF North America LLC
>
> Cell:  (303) 746-3590
> Skype: danieldwhite
> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via
> Af
>
>
>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:32 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
>
> Looking for something under $300
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Daniel White via Af
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 12:49 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
>
> Compared to what ;-)  Certainly a lot less than an Agilent/Keysight Fieldfox
> or
> Anritsu Sitemaster.
>
> Honestly I doubt it’s the tool you want for this job.
>
> I think you pick your poison - WiFi based are thinks like WiSpy, or even an
> app
> on an Android phone... or you go all out for a spectrum analyzer like
> Aaronia
> or SAF (which is a whole different debate).
>
> Daniel White – Managing Director
> SAF North America LLC
>
> Cell:  (303) 746-3590
> Skype: danieldwhite
> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via
>> Af
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 11:06 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
>>
>> Spendy as I recall.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Seth Mattinen via Af
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:49 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
>>
>> On 12/30/14 9:45, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
>> > Looking more for a handheld device that has a nice screen, dual band.
>>
>> SAF Spectrum Compact has a model for 2.000 - 8.000 GHz.
>>
>> ~Seth
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF

2014-12-22 Thread Caleb Knauer via Af

And when the cyanogen guys go full Captain Insano and the line is dead in a
year I'll still be able to get service on my 3+ year old lame iPhone.  Hehe
sorry just screwing around but some folks take their choice of phone way
too seriously. I hope OPO does well as competition is good but I'm not too
confident at this point.

On Monday, December 22, 2014, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:

> I have a OnePlus One. It's a 5.5" screen, weighs 160 grams. About the same
> size as an iPhone 6+.  It has an awesome battery life:
>
> http://www.engadget.com/2014/05/08/oneplus-one-review/
>
> No carrier crapware, no disabled features (tethering), unlocked, no
> contract.
>
> On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Bill Prince via Af  > wrote:
>
>>  Not double.  3500 mah versus 3300 mah.
>>
>> Screen is only slightly bigger (5" versus 4.7").
>>
>> But I'm really happy with this phone.  Don't anticipate switching until
>> it dies.  It's a couple years old now, and it is stable, fast, and smooth.
>>
>> I don't know about others claims of android crashing.  Mine hasn't
>> crashed once in the two years that I've had it.  It may have been an issue
>> with early versions of android, but I've only experienced jelly bean (+),
>> and it just keeps trucking.
>>
>> --
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 12/21/2014 10:10 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
>>
>> Jump up to the Droid Maxx.  Double the battery.  Screen is a lot bigger,
>> though :/
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Dec 21, 2014 1:08 PM, "Bill Prince via Af" > > wrote:
>>
>>>  My Android fits in either front or back pocket.  It's large with a ~~
>>> 5" (slightly less) screen.  The kevlar back seems to make it very sturdy,
>>> and I love the long battery life.  DROID RAZR MAXX HD.
>>>
>>> --
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/21/2014 7:30 AM, Darin Steffl via Af wrote:
>>>
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>>  The only guys I know that use belt clips to hold their phone are at
>>> wispa shows. In my everyday life, I know almost no one that have a phone in
>>> a holster or clip. Most everyone I know including many women put the phone
>>> in their front pocket as I do myself. Those who sit on their phone in their
>>> back pocket need some help.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 21, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af >> > wrote:
>>>
  haha

 This is the type I usually use.


 http://www.seidioonline.com/lg-google-nexus-5-convert-value-pack-black-p/bd5-hkr4lgn5.htm



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *"Jeremy via Af" 
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Sunday, December 21, 2014 9:01:03 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF

 ...but check out the awesome belt clips that they are making for these
 newer generation phones!
 http://img.tvc-mall.com/uploads/details/MLC-N9005-07-6.jpg

  ...or you could always go the holster route...
 http://www.gizmocrazed.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/163.jpg

 On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett via Af 
 wrote:

>  I'm not sure the phone placement would lessen the harassment.
>
> Most guys I know use a belt clip (even outside of the IT industry).
>
> *shrugs*
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>  --
> *From: *"Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, December 21, 2014 8:01:23 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
>
>  I put mine in my pocket all the time.  If I even thought about using
> the belt clip, the three women (wife and two teen daughters) would harass
> me mercilessly!
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
> On Dec 21, 2014, at 8:34 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>
>   Who puts phones in their pockets? Women put theirs in their purse
> or leave them in random places where they are not so you can't possibly
> reach them and men use cases\holsters that go on their belt.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>  --
> *From: *"Sean Heskett via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, December 21, 2014 12:31:51 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
>
> When I saw the 6+ at the Apple Store I thought it was way over
> sized...especially since it wouldn't fit in pants pockets.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, December 20, 2014, Tushar Patel via Af 
> wrote:
>
>>  Did you try and/or considered 6 plus?
>>
>>  I am considering 6 plus, I don't need to carry iPad ( mainly for
>> rea

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack

2014-12-18 Thread Caleb Knauer via Af

I've gotta think that the real reason that everyone bailed is that
this movie looks like a total crapfest.  Everything else is a
scapegoat.

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Mathew Howard via Af  wrote:
> True... it's not really surprising they pulled it, nobody is going to want
> to take on that sort of liability.
>
> 
> From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af
> [af@afmug.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:34 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
>
> If hackers are involved to the degree they claim, which I doubt, the mystery
> of N Koreas involvment (they do have the money to pay for hired hackers) has
> emboldened them to act like warriors.
> Sony already has 2 lawsuits going, for not protecting employee data, imagine
> if something did happen at a theater, even a random lunatic with a 9mm,
> thats alot of liability.
>
> A "leak" of the movie would be great, they can make their money on DMCA
> suits
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Mathew Howard via Af  wrote:
>>
>> It seems a little odd that a bunch of hackers would even threaten that...
>> I would think a more hacker-ish threat would be more credible.
>>
>> 
>> From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jason McKemie via Af
>> [af@afmug.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:19 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
>>
>> How much of a physical violence threat are a bunch of hackers though? Not
>> the most threatening demographic from that standpoint...
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 17, 2014, Tushar Patel via Af  wrote:
>>>
>>> I was thinking on same line but I am sure they must have got some
>>> credible threat to act like this.
>>>
>>> Tushar
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 7:28 PM, Jason McKemie via Af  wrote:
>>>
>>> On a side note, I can't believe movie theaters as well as Sony
>>> capitulated to these dumbasses in regards to "The Interview".  Isn't that
>>> tantamount to negotiating with a terrorist?
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 17, 2014, Nate Burke via Af  wrote:

 I've only been following loosely with what I hear on the radio, but it
 sound like there was a lot of data stolen (multiple gig's from the sound of
 it).  The Last update I heard was that the hack originated from a hotel 
 Wifi
 connection in china somewhere.  How were they able to transfer that much
 data in a short enough time that it wasn't discovered and stopped?  Did the
 hotel have a blazing fast network?  Something with getting that amount of
 data in such a short time dosen't seem to add up.
>
>
>
> --
> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't
> get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a
> hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] offtopic - jaguar makes cool stuff

2014-12-16 Thread Caleb Knauer via Af

They use them in Bangkok, it's...interesting.  Countdown to green
really does make everyone launch quickly, but it's cool because you
don't have some dummy just sitting there spaced out that doesn't know
the light changed.  It could work here, I got to like it after a bit.
It was the least terrifying thing about driving around that city.

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af  wrote:
> I don't ever want to see a countdown for a green or red light.  The idiots 
> already try and push it now if they had a graph that shows them exaclty when 
> it will change...  no thanks.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jason McKemie via Af" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:14:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] offtopic - jaguar makes cool stuff
>
> Those all look like "virtual prototypes in testing", or CGI.  Nice ideas,
> but making them work in real life is another matter entirely.
>
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:
>>
>> Invisible hood is better, came out a while ago
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TRGwLDLRp8
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  The start of the video shows "invisible" A/B pillars.. but I like this
>>> part better.
>>>
>>> http://youtu.be/c98h41TkREA?t=1m
>>>
>>> --
>>> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Dymo label printers

2014-11-26 Thread Caleb Knauer via Af

I'll see if I can a bit later but no promises.

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Randy Cosby via Af  wrote:
> I'll try to do that, want to make a YouTube video? :)
>
>
> On 11/25/2014 12:34 PM, Caleb Knauer via Af wrote:
>
> Yeah we use them a lot.  It's hard to explain how I do it, but there's a bit
> of a trick to it.  Basically I put one end, print side down, on the tip of
> my index finger (so it will make a little U shape) and hold it down with the
> thumb of same hand.  The I push down with my other hand thumb nail and sweep
> across it until I can catch the middle split edge and get it started.

Re: [AFMUG] Dymo label printers

2014-11-25 Thread Caleb Knauer via Af

Note, we use a lot of the 1/4" labels, so the bend in half bit doesn't work
that great in my experience (but I've also got big dumb hands).  Larger
labels do a lot bettter with that though.

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Caleb Knauer 
wrote:

> Yeah we use them a lot.  It's hard to explain how I do it, but there's a
> bit of a trick to it.  Basically I put one end, print side down, on the tip
> of my index finger (so it will make a little U shape) and hold it down with
> the thumb of same hand.  The I push down with my other hand thumb nail and
> sweep across it until I can catch the middle split edge and get it started.
>
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Randy Cosby via Af  wrote:
>
>>  Does anyone use the Dymo Rhino label printers?  I got one and love it --
>> except for trying to peel the backing off labels.  It's a real pain and I
>> end up ruining quite a few by stretching them or getting adhesive on my
>> fingers then on the front of the label.   Any tricks I haven't figured out?
>> --
>>
>> Randy Cosby
>> InfoWest, Inc
>> 435-674-0165 x 2010
>> infowest.com 
>>
>> This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc
>> and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may
>> contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information.
>>
>> Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is
>> prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please
>> contact rco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy
>> the original message, all attachments and copies.
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dymo label printers

2014-11-25 Thread Caleb Knauer via Af

Yeah we use them a lot.  It's hard to explain how I do it, but there's a
bit of a trick to it.  Basically I put one end, print side down, on the tip
of my index finger (so it will make a little U shape) and hold it down with
the thumb of same hand.  The I push down with my other hand thumb nail and
sweep across it until I can catch the middle split edge and get it started.

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Randy Cosby via Af  wrote:

>  Does anyone use the Dymo Rhino label printers?  I got one and love it --
> except for trying to peel the backing off labels.  It's a real pain and I
> end up ruining quite a few by stretching them or getting adhesive on my
> fingers then on the front of the label.   Any tricks I haven't figured out?
> --
>
> Randy Cosby
> InfoWest, Inc
> 435-674-0165 x 2010
> infowest.com 
>
> This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc
> and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may
> contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information.
>
> Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is
> prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please
> contact rco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy
> the original message, all attachments and copies.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

2014-11-25 Thread Caleb Knauer via Af

Man I guess I wasn't sticking my tongue into my cheek far enough ;-)

It is kinda interesting the analysis and psychology that goes into the
BF "deals".

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Travis Johnson via Af  wrote:
> It more that the big stores are "technically" in the red until that
> Friday... then from that Friday forward for the rest of the year is when
> they make all their profit for the year.
>
> Travis
>
> On 11/25/2014 11:15 AM, Caleb Knauer via Af wrote:
>
> If your books are in the red for every day other than that Friday, your
> business is bad and you should feel bad.  And you won't see next year.
>
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:
>>
>> Black because people doing the books make positive numbers black and
>> negative numbers red.  Black Friday is when the numbers on the books turn
>> black.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:44 PM, That One Guy via Af 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> thats supposedly the first day of the year a business will be in the
>>> black, at least thats what I was told.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 10:54 AM, James Howard via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It hasn’t been that many years since there were basically mobs at
>>>> Walmart and other stores when they opened for “Black Friday”.  Does anyone
>>>> know what the actual history of the name is?  I always thought it was a
>>>> reference to the stores trying to increase sales enough to “get in the
>>>> black” financially for the year.  Is it really a reference to the almost 
>>>> mob
>>>> atmosphere that has occurred over the years?  If so, that is racist.  Of
>>>> course just because something is racist doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:40 AM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an
>>>> hour
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Black Friday... now that is just racist!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Mathew Howard via Af
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:38 AM
>>>>
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an
>>>> hour
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I saw a comment somewhere last night... "Early Black Friday sale,
>>>> everything 100% off in Ferguson".
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Chuck McCown via Af
>>>> [af@afmug.com]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:31 AM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an
>>>> hour
>>>>
>>>> A good looting is a perfect warm-up exercise for the holiday season.
>>>>
>>>> When we ran the Radio Shack, this was the time of the year for break ins
>>>> and burglaries.
>>>>
>>>> One time they threw a large rock through the window and were in and out
>>>> in 2 minutes.
>>>>
>>>> The next incident happened before we could even get the window fixed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Security cameras satisfied our curiosity as to what happened, but they
>>>> never helped the cops catch anyone.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: That One Guy via Af
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:27 AM
>>>>
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an
>>>> hour
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yes, no questions asked. There were nikes and flat screens in those
>>>> stores that needed liberated from the oppressors. The news could have
>>>> ignored it all together and they would have rioted and looted, thats who
>>>> they are, its what they do, kind of like how when we see jobs, we take them
>>>> and do them. We real

Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

2014-11-25 Thread Caleb Knauer via Af

If your books are in the red for every day other than that Friday, your
business is bad and you should feel bad.  And you won't see next year.

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:

> Black because people doing the books make positive numbers black and
> negative numbers red.  Black Friday is when the numbers on the books turn
> black.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:44 PM, That One Guy via Af 
> wrote:
>
>> thats supposedly the first day of the year a business will be in the
>> black, at least thats what I was told.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 10:54 AM, James Howard via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It hasn’t been that many years since there were basically mobs at
>>> Walmart and other stores when they opened for “Black Friday”.  Does anyone
>>> know what the actual history of the name is?  I always thought it was a
>>> reference to the stores trying to increase sales enough to “get in the
>>> black” financially for the year.  Is it really a reference to the almost
>>> mob atmosphere that has occurred over the years?  If so, that is racist.
>>> Of course just because something is racist doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>> via Af
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:40 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an
>>> hour
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Black Friday... now that is just racist!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Mathew Howard via Af 
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:38 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an
>>> hour
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I saw a comment somewhere last night... "Early Black Friday sale,
>>> everything 100% off in Ferguson".
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Chuck McCown via Af [
>>> af@afmug.com]
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:31 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an
>>> hour
>>>
>>> A good looting is a perfect warm-up exercise for the holiday season.
>>>
>>> When we ran the Radio Shack, this was the time of the year for break ins
>>> and burglaries.
>>>
>>> One time they threw a large rock through the window and were in and out
>>> in 2 minutes.
>>>
>>> The next incident happened before we could even get the window fixed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Security cameras satisfied our curiosity as to what happened, but they
>>> never helped the cops catch anyone.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* That One Guy via Af 
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:27 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an
>>> hour
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> yes, no questions asked. There were nikes and flat screens in those
>>> stores that needed liberated from the oppressors. The news could have
>>> ignored it all together and they would have rioted and looted, thats who
>>> they are, its what they do, kind of like how when we see jobs, we take them
>>> and do them. We really arent any different than them
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Nate Burke via Af  wrote:
>>>
>>> Or that the 24 hour news cycle needs something to talk about.  One
>>> comment I heard on the radio was that given the amount of coverage that
>>> [the media] had in Ferguson, if something didn't happen they would be
>>> really disappointed.  Expectations lead to results.
>>>
>>> If the Media had been covering it as 'An announcement is expected
>>> tonight, We expect everything to be calm'  Would carnage have happened?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/25/2014 9:43 AM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote:
>>>
>>> I think it is the case that it's just more visible, it probably has
>>> always been happening just as much... and cases like in Ferguson normally
>>> would never be heard of outside the local area, if somebody hadn't decided
>>> that it was a good opportunity for rioting.
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [
>>> af@afmug.com]
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:45 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an
>>> hour
>>>
>>> >Cops sure seem to me to be a bit more trigger happy than in times
>>> past.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is that a gut feeling or is there math to prove that?  It's certainly
>>> become more visible in recent years, but from what I've read in the last
>>> year there hasn't been a noticeable increase in police shootings in the
>>> last several years (as of the last year report I read).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Chuck McCown via Af 
>>> wrote

Re: [AFMUG] radios with frickin' laser beams on their heads

2014-11-25 Thread Caleb Knauer via Af

Carefully I'd imagine ;-)

But a 6' HP antenna with brackets weighs somewhere around 200lbs or so
and is 6' so the same methods apply.  Rooftop via stairs wouldn't be
fun but plenty manageable.  Up the skinny ladder would suck more,
would take some creativity, but those ladders suck no matter what.
Probably wouldn't fit through the hole anyways and would need to come
over the side or via crane like anything 3'+.  Although if you can
afford to back to back hop all these spendy links then lift/crane
access is probably built into the budget.

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Daniel White via Af  wrote:
> Did you ask him how to mount a 180lb radio/laser on a tower?  Or the 3ft wide 
> by almost 3ft depth?
>
> Just seeing the demo units at trade shows makes me wonder :-)
>
> Daniel White
> (303) 746-3590
>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer via Af
>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 12:30 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] radios with frickin' laser beams on their heads
>>
>> Haha funny, had a call with them Friday and then afterwards made the same
>> joke.  Really cool sounding product with the auto alignment and live tracking
>> features.  Ain't cheap.  Their sales guy was quite knowledgeable and also
>> understanding of the product offering and market.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af 
>> wrote:
>> > http://pages.aoptix.com/rs/aoptixtechnologies/images/AOptix_Intellimax
>> > _MB2000_Datasheet.pdf
>> >
>> > http://thestack.com/aoptix-lasercomm-system-military-laser-radio-rollo
>> > ut-171114
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 80 GHz QPSK link + parallel FSO OOK laser?  Claiming 10km five nines,
>> > I bet that's in ITU rain zone A (saudi arabian desert, etc).
>> >
>> > I wonder how it will stack up on real world performance in the Seattle
>> > area vs. a Bridgewave E-band link, 60cm dishes, +19 Tx power, QPSK
>> modulation.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] radios with frickin' laser beams on their heads

2014-11-24 Thread Caleb Knauer via Af

Haha funny, had a call with them Friday and then afterwards made the
same joke.  Really cool sounding product with the auto alignment and
live tracking features.  Ain't cheap.  Their sales guy was quite
knowledgeable and also understanding of the product offering and
market.

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:
> http://pages.aoptix.com/rs/aoptixtechnologies/images/AOptix_Intellimax_MB2000_Datasheet.pdf
>
> http://thestack.com/aoptix-lasercomm-system-military-laser-radio-rollout-171114
>
>
>
> 80 GHz QPSK link + parallel FSO OOK laser?  Claiming 10km five nines, I bet
> that's in ITU rain zone A (saudi arabian desert, etc).
>
> I wonder how it will stack up on real world performance in the Seattle area
> vs. a Bridgewave E-band link, 60cm dishes, +19 Tx power, QPSK modulation.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Sync on UBNT Titanium

2014-11-22 Thread Caleb Knauer via Af

If you two kids don't stop fighting I swear to god I'm pulling over this
car and slapping you with my ring hand.

On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

> Your cable and DSL is a lot slower and more expensive than it is here. The
> physics are easier to accomplish when you don't have to move as many bits
> through the air.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> --
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds via Af"  >
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Saturday, November 22, 2014 3:13:19 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Sync on UBNT Titanium
>
> That's fine.
>
> We'll go back to running the same wisp that is taking both the cable co
> and clec's in-town customers and has been for the past 10 years... without
> sync.
>
>  On 11/21/2014 06:39 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
>
> Those are very compelling, but not enough bits without bigger channels,
> which then need sync.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>  
> 
> 
> 
>
>  --
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds via Af" 
> 
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Friday, November 21, 2014 7:19:14 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Sync on UBNT Titanium
>
> Or you can swap it out with -AC and get 65Mbps on a 10MHz channel,
> realtime airview, and much better selectivity :P
>
> On 11/21/2014 03:10 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
>
> you can swap it all out with epmp
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af  > wrote:
>
>>  It may work, but it will tank your throughput.
>>
>>  On 11/21/2014 01:32 PM, Jerry Richardson via Af wrote:
>>
>>  Has anyone successfully implemented?
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>>
>> --
>> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>>
>>
>
>
>  --
>  All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>
>
> --
> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>
>
>
> --
> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's

2014-11-21 Thread Caleb Knauer via Af

Mine will too, and won't let go until I kick it over to 2.4Ghz when I go
outside.  Mix of AP's.

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Eric Muehleisen via Af 
wrote:

> iOS devices have a mechanism in place that picks the best network between
> 2.4 or 5ghz. I don't know specifically how it does it.  All my iDevices
> including my MBP will choose 5ghz first.
>
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:
>
>> iPads are smart enough to do 5 GHz first, that's great!
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Mike Hammett via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Currently there's three iPads on 5 Ghz. Stuck on 2.4 now are a printer
>>> an airrouter and an iPad. Of course most people are at work now, so tonight
>>> it'll be a different mix.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Josh Luthman via Af" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Friday, November 21, 2014 2:28:25 PM
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
>>>
>>> What devices started using 5 GHz?  Every device I've ever used just went
>>> to 2.4 first and stayed there.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Mike Hammett via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Get better devices?

 In my GF's house, it's about 50/50 2.4 and 5. Same SSID.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 
 
 
 

 --
 *From: *"Josh Luthman via Af" 
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Friday, November 21, 2014 1:48:42 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's

 I have a Unifi 802.11ac dual band AP in my house.  I had the same SSID
 (Toobs) for both 2.4 and 5 GHz.  Not a single device used 5 GHz.

 I've seen changed the SSID of 5 GHz (Toobs 5ghz) and I now know that my
 Xbox one and cell phone will connect to it.  It also works better than 2.4
 (noise thing I'm sure).  It seems to be there's a lack of a solution to
 push things off 2.4 onto 5.  I've heard that Ruckus has some trickery to
 this that may help.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Rory Conaway via Af 
 wrote:

> That’s our policy also.  Then we get to manage them.  Need a dual band
> AirGateway next that’s less than $100.  We are seeing about 40Mbps through
> the AirGateways which is more than most people need but I’m ready for a
> 5GHz version.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> via Af
> *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 10:16 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
>
>
>
> yeah, air routers are so cheap to give the customer its not worth not
> doing
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Travis Johnson via Af 
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> This is why we just included a "free" WiFi router with all of our
> installations. It wasn't a separate item on their bill, it was just part 
> of
> our service. Then we had control of the router, and could actually test
> clear to the router from our NOC. The customers liked it because they
> didn't have to worry about the router, and when it failed we just replaced
> it, no charge.
>
> Again... customer service is what wins the day. :)
>
> Travis
>
>
>
> On 11/21/2014 9:00 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>
> I really question if customers want a device to help them
> troubleshoot.  More like if we (a bunch of network admins) were the
> customer, that’s what we’d want.  It’s like the guys on Big Bang Theory
> trying to imagine what a regular person would want.
>
>
>
> The hurdle seems to be getting them to pay someone to fix problems in
> their internal network.  If you can monetize this by selling an onsite
> support plan, or by dispatching from a separate side of your business that
> charges for service calls, that is good, as long as you can say this is 
> not
> an Internet service problem, it is a custome

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Plug

2014-11-17 Thread Caleb Knauer via Af

Can you take it to Fry's and see if they have the right connector to plug
in?
http://www.frys.com/ac/storeinfo/downers_grove-location-frys-electronics-hours-maps-directions.
They have also sorts of neato stuff.

On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

> Does anyone know where I can find "a standard 4.0 x 1.3mm 12 Volt power
> port", preferably with a pigtail? It's for the screen trigger output on an
> InFocus projector. That's what InFocus support said I needed to use and
> that it's available in any local electronics store. Well, it's not at Radio
> Shack. Google sure isn't being a lot of help either.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

2014-11-05 Thread Caleb Knauer via Af





On Wednesday, November 5, 2014, Bill Prince via Af  wrote:

> If it is made by UBNT, then it would be the AirMeter.
>
> bp
>
> On 11/5/2014 1:43 PM, Caleb Knauer via Af wrote:
>
>> Hmmm, Chuck M is showing a lot of interest in smart meters.  I'm
>> calling it right now:  UniMeter.  Cloud-based 900Mhz meshed smart
>> meters.  I'll license you the use of that name for a nominal fee.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Chuck Macenski via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In fact...the smart grid can help eliminate rolling brownouts/blackouts
>>> by
>>> carefully managing the power delivered to customers on the end of the
>>> lines
>>> by controlling the delivered voltage. Basically, these meters give power
>>> companies the ability to measure the voltage delivered to meet the
>>> minimum
>>> requirements at the end of each feed... Substation transformers can then
>>> be
>>> set to deliver lower voltage (= lower power usage) thus avoiding
>>> brownouts...of course, load control (turning off your A/C) doesn't hurt
>>> either.
>>>
>>> Pre-smart grid, the main way the power company knew about lines going
>>> down
>>> (storms, trees, etc) was when they got a phone call. These meters will
>>> tell
>>> them where they have issues so they can route around much much much
>>> faster;
>>> other parts of the smart grid can allow power to be rerouted from a
>>> control
>>> panel rather than a power company truck and a guy with an insulated stick
>>> throwing a switch in the rain.
>>>
>>> It is a fascinating topic...
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:48 AM, That One Guy via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The smartgrid does have the benefit off allowing essential services to
>>>> stay up in the event of rolling black/brownouts
>>>>
>>>> I watched a PBS show about the power situation over in India or one of
>>>> those places, its crazy, people steal power left and right just tying
>>>> onto
>>>> the wires. The transformers are always catching fire and people dump
>>>> water
>>>> on them. As much as I hate US power companies, I cant imagine living
>>>> over
>>>> there. Linemen get beat up alot
>>>>
>>>> You could tell the show was geared at it being a humanitarian issue,
>>>> these
>>>> poor people losing their power... how will they survive, but the
>>>> majority of
>>>> the background images were of people powering consumer electronics...
>>>> not a
>>>> justifiable theft IMHO... I did not know TV was a basic human right
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Chuck Macenski via Af 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Smart meters certainly can shut you off remotely. That is a huge safety
>>>>> benefit to the power companies - it turns out that turning the power
>>>>> off to
>>>>> a customer that has not paid their bill is not always a pleasant
>>>>> experience.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  From ComEd smartmeter FAQ:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Smart meters for residential customers will have remote switching
>>>>>> capabilities that can be used when a customer closes an account, then
>>>>>> reconnects when the customer starts a new account."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "One of the benefits of this remote switching capability is that ComEd
>>>>>> can provide electrical service to customers more quickly, after the
>>>>>> customer
>>>>>> has contacted ComEd to initiate service. ComEd can also expedite the
>>>>>> transfer of electrical service when a customer moves from one
>>>>>> location to
>>>>>> another within the ComEd service territory."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see a post on the Mike Holt electrician forum about whether calling
>>>>>> the electric company and having them remotely shut off the power
>>>>>> makes it
>>>>>> safe to work on, as opposed to pulling the meter.  (hell no)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

2014-11-05 Thread Caleb Knauer via Af

Hmmm, Chuck M is showing a lot of interest in smart meters.  I'm
calling it right now:  UniMeter.  Cloud-based 900Mhz meshed smart
meters.  I'll license you the use of that name for a nominal fee.

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Chuck Macenski via Af  wrote:
> In fact...the smart grid can help eliminate rolling brownouts/blackouts by
> carefully managing the power delivered to customers on the end of the lines
> by controlling the delivered voltage. Basically, these meters give power
> companies the ability to measure the voltage delivered to meet the minimum
> requirements at the end of each feed... Substation transformers can then be
> set to deliver lower voltage (= lower power usage) thus avoiding
> brownouts...of course, load control (turning off your A/C) doesn't hurt
> either.
>
> Pre-smart grid, the main way the power company knew about lines going down
> (storms, trees, etc) was when they got a phone call. These meters will tell
> them where they have issues so they can route around much much much faster;
> other parts of the smart grid can allow power to be rerouted from a control
> panel rather than a power company truck and a guy with an insulated stick
> throwing a switch in the rain.
>
> It is a fascinating topic...
>
> Chuck
>
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:48 AM, That One Guy via Af  wrote:
>>
>> The smartgrid does have the benefit off allowing essential services to
>> stay up in the event of rolling black/brownouts
>>
>> I watched a PBS show about the power situation over in India or one of
>> those places, its crazy, people steal power left and right just tying onto
>> the wires. The transformers are always catching fire and people dump water
>> on them. As much as I hate US power companies, I cant imagine living over
>> there. Linemen get beat up alot
>>
>> You could tell the show was geared at it being a humanitarian issue, these
>> poor people losing their power... how will they survive, but the majority of
>> the background images were of people powering consumer electronics... not a
>> justifiable theft IMHO... I did not know TV was a basic human right
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Chuck Macenski via Af 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Smart meters certainly can shut you off remotely. That is a huge safety
>>> benefit to the power companies - it turns out that turning the power off to
>>> a customer that has not paid their bill is not always a pleasant experience.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From ComEd smartmeter FAQ:
>>>>
>>>> "Smart meters for residential customers will have remote switching
>>>> capabilities that can be used when a customer closes an account, then
>>>> reconnects when the customer starts a new account."
>>>>
>>>> "One of the benefits of this remote switching capability is that ComEd
>>>> can provide electrical service to customers more quickly, after the 
>>>> customer
>>>> has contacted ComEd to initiate service. ComEd can also expedite the
>>>> transfer of electrical service when a customer moves from one location to
>>>> another within the ComEd service territory."
>>>>
>>>> I see a post on the Mike Holt electrician forum about whether calling
>>>> the electric company and having them remotely shut off the power makes it
>>>> safe to work on, as opposed to pulling the meter.  (hell no)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 11:06 AM
>>>>
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
>>>>
>>>> Well, maybe some of them.  I don't think the ones around here have that
>>>> capability.  Wouldn't they have to have some large contactors and a
>>>> relay?  I think that alone occupies a lot more space than the
>>>> smartmeters occupy.
>>>>
>>>> For now I think they are mostly big brother watching.
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>>
>>>> On 11/5/2014 8:50 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you think a smartmeter is?
>>>>>
>>>>> I compare it to cable.  With analog cable, they had to send a guy in a
>>>>> truck to shut off your service, but with digital cable a computer can do 
>>>>> it
>>>>> any time.  I assume smartmeters ha

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

2014-11-05 Thread Caleb Knauer via Af

Kind of like how the GPS modules the car insurance companies are
pushing so hard are to save the *customer* money.  Sure.

Interesting point about the car chargers.  Wonder if the typical load
drop at night would be countered by the spike in charger demand and
you'd be limited to the charge ability.  Would suck to wake up in the
morning and your car not have enough juice to go to work.  Maybe you
can set a QoS on your power meter so some things get priority over
others.  I'd laugh if electric cars were more expensive to run than
gas cars in high $ electricity areas.  Smart metering does give a lot
of potential to manage this better though.  Or do some crazy kind of
electric car as grid power storage deal, where the car keeps X amt of
battery capacity for driving and Y amt for grid tie power storage.  Or
maybe I've had too much coffee this afternoon and am rambling.

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
> Electric vehicle chargers come to mind.  You just want it charged by
> morning, but if everyone in a neighborhood sets their charger for midnight,
> it could be quite a hit to the local grid.  And if they give you a lower
> rate in return for letting them control when it charges, you would be
> interested.  I think so far the customer benefits have been all sizzle and
> no steak.  All the benefits have flowed to the power company in lower
> operations costs due to less meter readers, faster troubleshooting of
> outages, etc.
>
>
> -----Original Message- From: Caleb Knauer via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 12:31 PM
>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
>
> Yeah I thought about that a few seconds after I hit send.  In addition
> to the shutoff services and brownout situations discussed in
> additional emails, one think I think it really neat is the concept of
> being able to wire up various circuits into the smart meter so they
> can shut down things like your AC when there's not enough power and
> keep lights etc running instead of a total rolling brownout/blackout.
> Kinda terrifying too having that level of control over your home, esp
> when the Comcast-Warner-ATT-GE conglomerate is running everything.
>
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>>
>> What do you think a smartmeter is?
>>
>> I compare it to cable.  With analog cable, they had to send a guy in a
>> truck
>> to shut off your service, but with digital cable a computer can do it any
>> time.  I assume smartmeters have a remote shutoff capability.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Caleb Knauer via Af
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 10:38 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
>>
>> One day the circuit breakers will all be connected and automated and
>> we'll all be doom!
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> circuit breaker...
>>>
>>> From: Ken Hohhof via Af
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 5:15 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
>>>
>>> Have you unplugged your fridge lately?  You have to roll it out.  That
>>> involves taking off the grill at the bottom and figuring out what kind of
>>> wrench you need to crank up the leveling screws.  Then your wife makes
>>> you
>>> pick up the dead mice and pet turtles and get out the vacuum and sweep up
>>> all the dog hair and dried up vegetables that are back there.  Then you
>>> climb back there and unplug it, count one Mississippi two Mississippi,
>>> plug
>>> it back in, climb back out, roll the fridge back, re-level it, and put
>>> the
>>> grill back on.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Bill Prince via Af
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 4:18 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
>>>
>>> Unplug it/plug it back in is cheaper than putting in an on/off switch (or
>>> re-init switch).
>>>
>>> bp
>>>
>>> On 11/4/2014 1:46 PM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd be happy to share in that job.
>>>
>>> My big beef with our brave new world is that you have to reboot
>>> everything.
>>>
>>> Microwave display is screwed upunplug it and plug it back in.
>>> Washing machine digital display is not responding.unplug it and plug
>>> it
>>> back in.
>>> DVD Player frozen.unplug it and plug it back in.
>>> Dodge Intrepid won't shift gears..

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

2014-11-05 Thread Caleb Knauer via Af

Yeah I thought about that a few seconds after I hit send.  In addition
to the shutoff services and brownout situations discussed in
additional emails, one think I think it really neat is the concept of
being able to wire up various circuits into the smart meter so they
can shut down things like your AC when there's not enough power and
keep lights etc running instead of a total rolling brownout/blackout.
Kinda terrifying too having that level of control over your home, esp
when the Comcast-Warner-ATT-GE conglomerate is running everything.

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
> What do you think a smartmeter is?
>
> I compare it to cable.  With analog cable, they had to send a guy in a truck
> to shut off your service, but with digital cable a computer can do it any
> time.  I assume smartmeters have a remote shutoff capability.
>
>
> -Original Message----- From: Caleb Knauer via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 10:38 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
>
> One day the circuit breakers will all be connected and automated and
> we'll all be doom!
>
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:
>>
>> circuit breaker...
>>
>> From: Ken Hohhof via Af
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 5:15 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
>>
>> Have you unplugged your fridge lately?  You have to roll it out.  That
>> involves taking off the grill at the bottom and figuring out what kind of
>> wrench you need to crank up the leveling screws.  Then your wife makes you
>> pick up the dead mice and pet turtles and get out the vacuum and sweep up
>> all the dog hair and dried up vegetables that are back there.  Then you
>> climb back there and unplug it, count one Mississippi two Mississippi,
>> plug
>> it back in, climb back out, roll the fridge back, re-level it, and put the
>> grill back on.
>>
>>
>> From: Bill Prince via Af
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 4:18 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
>>
>> Unplug it/plug it back in is cheaper than putting in an on/off switch (or
>> re-init switch).
>>
>> bp
>>
>> On 11/4/2014 1:46 PM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
>>
>> I'd be happy to share in that job.
>>
>> My big beef with our brave new world is that you have to reboot
>> everything.
>>
>> Microwave display is screwed upunplug it and plug it back in.
>> Washing machine digital display is not responding.unplug it and plug
>> it
>> back in.
>> DVD Player frozen.unplug it and plug it back in.
>> Dodge Intrepid won't shift gears..turn it off and turn it back on.
>>
>> These are all true stories.
>>
>> The internet of things will be a network of crap that doesn't work unless
>> you reboot it regularly.  When they are up, the "things" will all be
>> participating in a botnet.
>>
>> finally someone took over Doug's job of letting us all know the sky is
>> falling!?!?
>>
>> hip hip hooray...long live Ken the prognosticator!
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Bill Prince via Af  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> The apocalypse is coming!
>>>
>>> bp
>>>
>>> On 11/4/2014 11:58 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>>>
>>> Soon, when your Internet goes out, you won’t even be able to open your
>>> garage door or flush your toilet, because it will all be in the cloud.
>>>
>>> And as ISPs, we’ll be getting angry calls like “Is the tower down?  I
>>> can’t flush my toilet.”
>>>
>>> You think I’m joking?  Remember the thread about LED bulbs interfering
>>> with garage door openers?  One of the suggested fixes is a garage door
>>> opener app on your smartphone.  I assume that only works if your
>>> smarthouse
>>> has working Internet.  Our hives will cease to operate if you cut the
>>> connection to the collective.
>>>
>>> I’m imagining that something goes wrong with the cloud controller, and
>>> now
>>> I can’t even use WiFi within my house, like printing to my wireless
>>> printer
>>> or using Chromecast to my TV.  Yes, I know, Unifi should continue to
>>> operate
>>> without the controller once set up, but do some features stop working?
>>> Like
>>> handoff between APs?
>>>
>>> From: Josh Baird via Af
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:47 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
&

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

2014-11-05 Thread Caleb Knauer via Af

One day the circuit breakers will all be connected and automated and
we'll all be doom!

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:
> circuit breaker...
>
> From: Ken Hohhof via Af
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 5:15 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
>
> Have you unplugged your fridge lately?  You have to roll it out.  That
> involves taking off the grill at the bottom and figuring out what kind of
> wrench you need to crank up the leveling screws.  Then your wife makes you
> pick up the dead mice and pet turtles and get out the vacuum and sweep up
> all the dog hair and dried up vegetables that are back there.  Then you
> climb back there and unplug it, count one Mississippi two Mississippi, plug
> it back in, climb back out, roll the fridge back, re-level it, and put the
> grill back on.
>
>
> From: Bill Prince via Af
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 4:18 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
>
> Unplug it/plug it back in is cheaper than putting in an on/off switch (or
> re-init switch).
>
> bp
>
> On 11/4/2014 1:46 PM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
>
> I'd be happy to share in that job.
>
> My big beef with our brave new world is that you have to reboot everything.
>
> Microwave display is screwed upunplug it and plug it back in.
> Washing machine digital display is not responding.unplug it and plug it
> back in.
> DVD Player frozen.unplug it and plug it back in.
> Dodge Intrepid won't shift gears..turn it off and turn it back on.
>
> These are all true stories.
>
> The internet of things will be a network of crap that doesn't work unless
> you reboot it regularly.  When they are up, the "things" will all be
> participating in a botnet.
>
> finally someone took over Doug's job of letting us all know the sky is
> falling!?!?
>
> hip hip hooray...long live Ken the prognosticator!
>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Bill Prince via Af  wrote:
>>
>> The apocalypse is coming!
>>
>> bp
>>
>> On 11/4/2014 11:58 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>>
>> Soon, when your Internet goes out, you won’t even be able to open your
>> garage door or flush your toilet, because it will all be in the cloud.
>>
>> And as ISPs, we’ll be getting angry calls like “Is the tower down?  I
>> can’t flush my toilet.”
>>
>> You think I’m joking?  Remember the thread about LED bulbs interfering
>> with garage door openers?  One of the suggested fixes is a garage door
>> opener app on your smartphone.  I assume that only works if your smarthouse
>> has working Internet.  Our hives will cease to operate if you cut the
>> connection to the collective.
>>
>> I’m imagining that something goes wrong with the cloud controller, and now
>> I can’t even use WiFi within my house, like printing to my wireless printer
>> or using Chromecast to my TV.  Yes, I know, Unifi should continue to operate
>> without the controller once set up, but do some features stop working?  Like
>> handoff between APs?
>>
>> From: Josh Baird via Af
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:47 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
>>
>> You can host them all on a single controller in your datacenter.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 4, 2014, at 2:24 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:
>>
>> Can't stand unifi, have them came up with a way to do it without a
>> controller? What do you do if the customer doesn't have a windows machine?
>> Install a unifi "server" ?
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Sean Heskett via Af  wrote:
>>>
>>> UBNT UniFi...one SSID
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:

 What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi coverage?
 Any options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does rukus or
 someone make something with true roaming?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

2014-11-04 Thread Caleb Knauer via Af

If you're running a guest network with authentication portal (TOC,
password, or hotspot) then it will allow everyone to get online
without auth (user auth, not WPA) until the controller comes back on.
Otherwise the controller only has to run to pull down stats or make
config changes.

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
> Soon, when your Internet goes out, you won’t even be able to open your
> garage door or flush your toilet, because it will all be in the cloud.
>
> And as ISPs, we’ll be getting angry calls like “Is the tower down?  I can’t
> flush my toilet.”
>
> You think I’m joking?  Remember the thread about LED bulbs interfering with
> garage door openers?  One of the suggested fixes is a garage door opener app
> on your smartphone.  I assume that only works if your smarthouse has working
> Internet.  Our hives will cease to operate if you cut the connection to the
> collective.
>
> I’m imagining that something goes wrong with the cloud controller, and now I
> can’t even use WiFi within my house, like printing to my wireless printer or
> using Chromecast to my TV.  Yes, I know, Unifi should continue to operate
> without the controller once set up, but do some features stop working?  Like
> handoff between APs?
>
> From: Josh Baird via Af
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:47 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
>
> You can host them all on a single controller in your datacenter.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 4, 2014, at 2:24 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:
>
> Can't stand unifi, have them came up with a way to do it without a
> controller? What do you do if the customer doesn't have a windows machine?
> Install a unifi "server" ?
>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Sean Heskett via Af  wrote:
>>
>> UBNT UniFi...one SSID
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:
>>>
>>> What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi coverage? Any
>>> options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does rukus or someone
>>> make something with true roaming?
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: LED bulbs at home

2014-11-03 Thread Caleb Knauer via Af

I've used a number of CREE which are great (just pay attention to the
two colors they offer) from HD and they've been great.  Currently
using some whatever brand from Lowes and they seem fine too.  When
shopping just be mindful of color and lumen output as there's a ton of
options and costs.  Used a few Phillips floods (indoor) and while
spendy they last a while and are much tougher than regular floods.  In
general they handle weird power issues much better.

On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 10:18 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
> Regarding the garage door opener interference, remember that LED bulbs have
> a switchmode power converter in the base, see for example
> http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/SSL21082T.pdf
> which gives the typical conversion frequency for that particular chip as 100
> kHz.
>
>
>
> From: Nate Burke via Af
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 8:45 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: LED bulbs at home
>
> I just replaced 3 Dusk-Dawn Dimable ouside fixtures from 100w incandescent
> to the 100w cree LED's.  I'm only monitoring my Whole home Current, but it
> looks like it's saved about 1A draw in the overnight hours.  The LED's are
> much brighter than the Incadecents were.
>
> Interestingly enough, I put them in my garage door opener, and the remotes
> stopped working.  Took the bulbs back out and it's fine.  Must be some sort
> of interference with the DC Power supply that close to the antenna.
>
> I've also changed the 5 Flourescent light fixtures in my garage from 2 bulb
> 40w tubes to just 1 18w LED Tube.  They provide more light than the old
> bulbs.  Last few bulbs I paid $12 each for off Ebay.
>
> At Home Depot look for the 'contractor discount'  It's on some bulbs.  I
> believe that if you buy 5 of the same SKU you get $5 off per bulb.  I think
> the 60w Crees fell into that last time I was there.
>
> On 11/2/2014 8:31 PM, Chris Fabien via Af wrote:
>
> The flood that failed on me was an "ecosmart" brand from Home Depot, FYI.
>
> I was just there today, and they had some on sale for under $5 a bulb. They
> also had some new "100W equivalent" ones that would probably be great for a
> garage, shop or someplace else that needs a lot of light and maybe isn't
> heated, which was always a problem for CFLs.
>
> On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Tyler Treat via Af  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the insight, fellas!
>> ___
>> Mangled by my iPhone.
>> ___
>>
>> Tyler Treat
>> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
>>
>> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
>> ___
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 2, 2014, at 6:14 PM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:
>> >
>> > I built LEDs into the ceiling of my family room when the house was built
>> > 5 years ago.  Ceiling is up about 25 feet, never wanted to have to get up
>> > there.  It will take scaffolding if it ever becomes necessary.  Have 
>> > changed
>> > out almost all the rest too as the CFLs have died.
>> >
>> > I have 10 kW of grid tie solar as well.  Free air conditioning is nice
>> > indeed.
>> > Good luck  with phillips flood style LEDs and CREE bulb types.  Most of
>> > them are dimmable now, that was the case for the earlier units.
>> >
>> > Home depot has very nice prices.  Some 60 watt equivalent for about
>> > $7.50. I actually had to pay a bit more to get 40 watt equivalent for the
>> > sconce lighting in my theater room.  The first ones were too bright, even
>> > with the dimmer all the way down.
>> >
>> > Yes, by all means use LEDs.
>> >
>> > -Original Message- From: Tyler Treat via Af
>> > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 2:00 PM
>> > To: Animal Farm
>> > Subject: [AFMUG] OT: LED bulbs at home
>> >
>> > Anyone using LED replacement bulbs in their house yet?
>> >
>> > Seems like a good idea for a couple lights I have that burn 24/7, but at
>> > $20/bulb and the CFL debacle, I want to get this right the first time.
>> >
>> > ___
>> > Mangled by my iPhone.
>> > ___
>> >
>> > Tyler Treat
>> > Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
>> >
>> > tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
>> > ___
>> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently

2014-10-30 Thread Caleb Knauer via Af

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

> Here are the licensed paths that pass within 5 miles of one of my
> locations. That's not including all of the continually renewed PCNs.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> --
> *From: *"Caleb Knauer via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 7:52:04 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio
> currently
>
> Yeah it's getting a bit crowded even in markets that you'd think would be
> pretty open.  Not bad yet but getting there.  10 years from now we'll be in
> rocking chairs remembering the good old days when there were open channel
> pairs as far as the eye could see.
>
> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>
>> Assuming channels are available (for either XPIC implementation).  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Daniel White via Af" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 29, 2014 11:39:00 PM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio
>> currently
>>
>> That we have announced, of course.
>>
>> Of course we also don't announce radios then don't have inventory for 6
>> months either.  We don't even talk roadmap under NDA for things that are
>> less than a realistic 6 months out.
>>
>> FYI Integra does support LAG (or PLA as other vendors call it) and I'd
>> also argue 2+0 at $10k less is a lot more attractive than 1+0 with no
>> hardware redundancy.  And no software keys.  And a 5 year warranty.
>>
>> Our 11GHz implementation is coming along very well.  Trust me, the wait
>> will be worth it.
>>
>> Daniel White – Managing Director
>> SAF North America LLC
>>
>> Cell:  (303) 746-3590
>> Skype: danieldwhite
>> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
>>
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af
>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 2:33 PM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio
>> currently
>> >
>> > Last time I looked at SAF Integra it didn't do 1gig in 11ghz on one
>> channel with
>> > XPIC. Also I don't have to combine the data at the bottom of the tower.
>> Its all
>> > one radio interface which is much easier for routing. For us those were
>> huge
>> > requirements. Exalt has done that for a couple of years. PTP820c looks
>> better
>> > since it will have full QoS control and OAM.
>> >
>> > Matthew Jenkins
>> > SmarterBroadband
>> > m...@sbbinc.net
>> > 530.272.4000
>> >
>> > On 10/29/2014 10:28 AM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote:
>> > > matt i'd suggest looking at the SAF integra.  You could almost buy 2
>> > > links for the prices you quoted from the other brands ;-)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 6:54 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af > > > <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > All will do 1gbps. I think these are listed in order of price. I
>> > > am using Exalt now. Looking heavily at the PTP820c for QoS and OAM
>> > > features.
>> > >
>> > > Cambium PTP820c with 80mhz channels, 1024QAM(~$23k)
>> > > Exalt ExtremeAir with XPIC and 80mhz channel, 256QAM (~$25k)
>> > > Ceragon IP20c, 60mhz channels, 2048QAM (I think this is about
>> > > $35k?)
>> > >
>> > > Matthew Jenkins
>> > > SmarterBroadband
>> > > m...@sbbinc.net <mailto:m...@sbbinc.net>
>> > > 530.272.4000 
>> > >
>> > >

Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently

2014-10-30 Thread Caleb Knauer via Af

>
> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC
> > >
> > omputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent
> > -
> > > computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> 
> > > *From: *"Eric Kuhnke via Af"  > > <mailto:af@afmug.com>> <mailto:af@afmug.com
> > > <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> > > *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> > > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> > > *Sent: *Tuesday, October 28, 2014 5:22:08 PM
> > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig
> > >         licensed
> > > radio currently
> > >
> > > yeah, 2048QAM, but what is your fade margin from the
> > > threshold
> > > required to run at 2048QAM vs. when it will step down
> > > to 256QAM
> > > and no longer be a 1 Gbps radio?
> > >
> > > If I recall right an IP20C requires an RSSI of
> > > something like
> > > -57.5 to operate at 2048QAM and will become a 256QAM
> > > radio at -63
> > > or thereabouts. Not much fade margin. Not something
> > > you can
> > > reliably predict as a five nines true 1Gbps link
> > > pretending to be
> > > a fiber patch cable between two routers.
> > >
> > > Unless you're running it at sub-4km distances with
> > > 60cm size
> > > antennas and the normal RSL is -35.0
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Caleb Knauer via Af
> > > mailto:af@afmug.com>
> > > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > We just put up a Ceragon IP20c link last week, 3.5
> > > miles, one
> > > 60Mhz
> > > frequency pair, 1030Mbps full duplex using
> > > 2048QAM, uses two
> > > cores
> > > (same frequency) in a single FODU chasis and a
> > > combiner on the
> > > antenna.  Looks like any other single FODU
> > > install, very
> > > clean.  Not
> > > inexpensive however.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:02 AM, Matt Jenkins via
> Af
> > > mailto:af@afmug.com>
> > > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>> wrote:
> > > > Cambium PTP820c
> > > > Exalt ExtremeAir
> > > >
> > > > Both will give you 1gig in a single radio.
> > > >
> > > > Matthew Jenkins
> > > > SmarterBroadband
> > > > m...@sbbinc.net <mailto:m...@sbbinc.net>
> > > <mailto:m...@sbbinc.net <mailto:m...@sbbinc.net>>
> > > > 530.272.4000 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 10/27/2014 03:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links
> > > lately, which
> > > is the best
> > > >> bargain?
> > > >>
> > > >> *Peter Kranz
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Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently

2014-10-29 Thread Caleb Knauer via Af

I agree to an extent, however there are some cases where I think it
makes sense.  For a platform that's a few $k, totally agree.  But some
of these high end systems support a ton of telco/celco derived
features that are not part of the standard transport feature set we
care about and that we'll never use and I don't want to have to pay
for the development and support costs for these features.   Things
like e-sync, incredibly complex QoS mechanisms, blah blah are
expensive to develop and I can see charging extra for it for the
limited uptake instead of rolling that cost into all sales.

On the other hand, having to pay for a speed key to go faster than
10Mbps or use ACM is frustrating.  In an ideal world we wouldn't have
to deal with this, but as a product develops and has a long life
cycle, these kinds of things are going to happen.

On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Peter Kranz via Af  wrote:
> Nothing is more rage inducing than the term software license
>
> Sent from my portable confuser
>
>> On Oct 29, 2014, at 11:43 AM, Caleb Knauer via Af  wrote:
>>
>> There are a large number of possible software licenses available for
>> these platforms that can really move the price around.  Some are
>> needed, others unlikely for most of our applications.  Hard to compare
>> like for like without a side by side BOM comparison.
>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Bill Prince via Af  wrote:
>>> That's my current understanding.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't be surprised if there are some unmentioned caveats.
>>>
>>> bp
>>>
>>>> On 10/29/2014 10:05 AM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A question on your list:
>>>>
>>>>>> Cambium PTP820c with 80mhz channels, 1024QAM(~$23k)
>>>>>> Ceragon IP20c, 60mhz channels, 2048QAM (I think this is about $35k?)
>>>>
>>>> These are the same radios right? So I assume the PTP820c can do 2048QAM as
>>>> well..? but it sounds like its being offered for a lower price than the
>>>> Ceragon variant?
>>>>
>>>> Peter Kranz
>>>> Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
>>>> www.UnwiredLtd.com
>>>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>>>> Mobile: 510-207-
>>>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently

2014-10-29 Thread Caleb Knauer via Af

There are a large number of possible software licenses available for
these platforms that can really move the price around.  Some are
needed, others unlikely for most of our applications.  Hard to compare
like for like without a side by side BOM comparison.

On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Bill Prince via Af  wrote:
> That's my current understanding.
>
> I wouldn't be surprised if there are some unmentioned caveats.
>
> bp
>
> On 10/29/2014 10:05 AM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote:
>>
>> A question on your list:
>>
 Cambium PTP820c with 80mhz channels, 1024QAM(~$23k)
 Ceragon IP20c, 60mhz channels, 2048QAM (I think this is about $35k?)
>>
>> These are the same radios right? So I assume the PTP820c can do 2048QAM as
>> well..? but it sounds like its being offered for a lower price than the
>> Ceragon variant?
>>
>> Peter Kranz
>> Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
>> www.UnwiredLtd.com
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>> Mobile: 510-207-
>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently

2014-10-29 Thread Caleb Knauer via Af

Honestly couldn't tell you, that's not my side of the house.  The only
numbers I saw included all the integration and such.

On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Peter Kranz via Af  wrote:
> General price?
>
> Peter Kranz
> Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
> www.UnwiredLtd.com
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer via Af
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 5:41 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
>
> We just put up a Ceragon IP20c link last week, 3.5 miles, one 60Mhz frequency 
> pair, 1030Mbps full duplex using 2048QAM, uses two cores (same frequency) in 
> a single FODU chasis and a combiner on the antenna.  Looks like any other 
> single FODU install, very clean.  Not inexpensive however.
>
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:02 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af  wrote:
>> Cambium PTP820c
>> Exalt ExtremeAir
>>
>> Both will give you 1gig in a single radio.
>>
>> Matthew Jenkins
>> SmarterBroadband
>> m...@sbbinc.net
>> 530.272.4000
>>
>> On 10/27/2014 03:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best
>>> bargain?
>>>
>>> *Peter Kranz
>>> *Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
>>> www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/>
>>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>>> Mobile: 510-207-
>>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com <mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently

2014-10-29 Thread Caleb Knauer via Af

I don't have the calcs handy atm but it was calculated 5x9 at 2048QAM.
Short link though, 3.5 miles with 3'/4' dishes, RSL low 30's.  Quite
aware of how quick 2048 will drop down, and 80mhz channels would have
given more wiggle room to drop rates and still maintain 1Gbps but
there was a time crunch for the project and the 60mhz heads were in
stock.  Even at 256QAM the throughput is adequate *for this particular
application* if the fade is worse than calcs.

On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:
> yeah, 2048QAM, but what is your fade margin from the threshold required to
> run at 2048QAM vs. when it will step down to 256QAM and no longer be a 1
> Gbps radio?
>
> If I recall right an IP20C requires an RSSI of something like -57.5 to
> operate at 2048QAM and will become a 256QAM radio at -63 or thereabouts. Not
> much fade margin. Not something you can reliably predict as a five nines
> true 1Gbps link pretending to be a fiber patch cable between two routers.
>
> Unless you're running it at sub-4km distances with 60cm size antennas and
> the normal RSL is -35.0....
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Caleb Knauer via Af  wrote:
>>
>> We just put up a Ceragon IP20c link last week, 3.5 miles, one 60Mhz
>> frequency pair, 1030Mbps full duplex using 2048QAM, uses two cores
>> (same frequency) in a single FODU chasis and a combiner on the
>> antenna.  Looks like any other single FODU install, very clean.  Not
>> inexpensive however.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:02 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af  wrote:
>> > Cambium PTP820c
>> > Exalt ExtremeAir
>> >
>> > Both will give you 1gig in a single radio.
>> >
>> > Matthew Jenkins
>> > SmarterBroadband
>> > m...@sbbinc.net
>> > 530.272.4000
>> >
>> > On 10/27/2014 03:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best
>> >> bargain?
>> >>
>> >> *Peter Kranz
>> >> *Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
>> >> www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/>
>> >> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>> >> Mobile: 510-207-
>> >> pkr...@unwiredltd.com <mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com>
>> >>
>> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently

2014-10-28 Thread Caleb Knauer via Af

We just put up a Ceragon IP20c link last week, 3.5 miles, one 60Mhz
frequency pair, 1030Mbps full duplex using 2048QAM, uses two cores
(same frequency) in a single FODU chasis and a combiner on the
antenna.  Looks like any other single FODU install, very clean.  Not
inexpensive however.

On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:02 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af  wrote:
> Cambium PTP820c
> Exalt ExtremeAir
>
> Both will give you 1gig in a single radio.
>
> Matthew Jenkins
> SmarterBroadband
> m...@sbbinc.net
> 530.272.4000
>
> On 10/27/2014 03:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote:
>>
>>
>> Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best
>> bargain?
>>
>> *Peter Kranz
>> *Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
>> www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>> Mobile: 510-207-
>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com 
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza

2014-10-13 Thread Caleb Knauer via Af

My eye just started twitching and it won't stop...

On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Ryan Spott via Af  wrote:
> Yeah. It was a little ugly. It pretty much boiled down to: if you are
> placing wires that could have current placed on them then you should be an
> electrician. (Read that sentence carefully for humor and horror!)
>
> Just check your local code interpretations to not get smacked.
>
> ryan
>
>
> --
> D. Ryan Spott | Iron Goat Networks, llc
> broadband | telco | colo | community
> PO Box 1232 / 603 W. Stevens Sultan, WA 98284
> 360-799-0552 | gtalk:rsp...@irongoat.net
>
> On Oct 13, 2014, at 11:01, Sterling Jacobson via Af  wrote:
>
> Oh wow!
>
>
>
> That’s like every single WISP operator then!
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott via Af
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:45 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza
>
>
>
> Check your local electrical codes for wiring power over Ethernet.
>
>
>
> Things got sticky in WA state over this issue and it took considerable
> effort to change the electrical rules.
>
> ryan
>
>
> On Oct 13, 2014, at 07:38, Sterling Jacobson via Af  wrote:
>
> Yeah GigE PoE.
>
>
>
> The GigE PoE adapters are cheap and work well with the RB260 models.
>
>
>
> I like it that way, then the customer can decide if they want to put on 100
> hours of battery backup or not.
>
>
>
> We just maintain the outside device at the Demarc on the side of their
> house.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2014 12:44 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza
>
>
>
>
>
> stupid question, but i know the fiber mikrotik stuff / demarc still needs
> power.  what if the point you enter the house does not have power right
> there?  how do you hook that up?  utilize POE in some shape, form, or
> fashion?
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: Gino Villarini via Af
>
> To: 
>
> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2014 9:10 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza
>
>
>
> Still using the firce10 switches?
>
> Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 12, 2014, at 1:35 AM, Sterling Jacobson via Af  wrote:
>
> Our ROI is 5 years. We fund per neighborhood and usually come out easily
> paying out the 5 years monthly on the loan plus plenty left over for
> operations.
>
> Our build costs to the home are skewed because we build at cost.
>
> It’s going to vary a lot by your market and circumstance.
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af
> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:58 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza
>
> Any numbers on what it costs to serve an average urban or suburban
> neighborhood per home ? Trying to get some ideas if we can afford the
> investment in fiber.
>
> Like what would it cost to serve say 100 or 200 homes? And idea on roi if
> you were paying for the fiber to be laid like I will be?
>
> On Oct 11, 2014 9:46 PM, "Sterling Jacobson via Af"  wrote:
>
> Hybrid model, I bring bandwidth in via wireless to the neighborhood and set
> up a cabinet that serves all the houses in active Ethernet fiber.
>
> GPON is ok, but in this model so much of the expense was burial of conduit
> that it really didn’t make sense to just pull for GPON.
>
> Plus GPON restricts you to a specific vendor market.
>
> My model might not scale to thousands of installs a month, but it works for
> hundreds a POP.
>
> A POP is about $15k for 200+ connections completely contained and redundant.
>
> The end points and fiber construction are on top of that of course.
>
> That is the major expense, the labor to bore and trench and splice hella ton
> of conduit, boxes and fiber strands.
>
> My entire GigE NID/ONT setup is less than $100 installed though.
>
> Buried conduit all the way to the side of the house, and fiber to the NID.
>
> It’s built to last, the conduit and fiber being our biggest expense and
> asset.
>
> Mikrotik “ONT” and off the shelf lasers from china for next to nothing.
>
> I haven’t seen any cheaper ONT setup than what we do, and it’s full GigE.
>
> The only piece of the puzzle I’m missing to do 10GigE to the home is a
> cheaper transceiver.
>
> I’m sure that will come next year. Sky’s the limit once the fiber is in the
> ground on a one to one basis with the switch and the ONT.
>
> We leave enough fiber to do a pair at the house, though everything is BIDI
> right now.
>
> I don’t believe in VoIP or TV, so it’s all Ethernet. The customer can get
> their traditional phone and TV elsewhere.
>
> Which is nice for regulations because we dodge every single headache I used
> to have with a WISP.
>
> This fiber stuff is s much better and easier.
>
> Costs more though.
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason Pond via Af
> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:03 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

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