Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Nah, just a cold shower because I didn’t have a spare.What was probably 
really stupid was buying a new heating element for a 20 year old water heater.  
The tank will probably go shortly.  At least the basement is only partially 
finished...

> On Dec 31, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Jason McKemie via Af  wrote:
> 
> Bad spare heating element experience? :)
> 
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af  <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>  The spare heating element will guarantee the tank will rust out and spray 
> water all over your basement before the installed element burns up.
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

You can rent them fairly reasonably:  http://www.comrent.com/Catalog/Resistive/ 


Certified data centers need to load test generators on a fairly regular basis 
to maintain certifications.  There is a rental market for them.

Another suggestion would be replacement heating elements for stoves or water 
heaters.   2-4kW isn’t too hard to find.  They are usually rated for 220VAC so 
I have no idea what they will do on low voltage DC.   They will either have too 
much resistance to draw much of a load and won’t heat up, or the cold 
resistance will be low enough that they will get hot and regulate the current.  
It should only cost you about $30 to find out.Better yet - buy the 
replacement element for your water heater at your house.  If it doesn’t work 
out as a load bank keep it next to your water heater.  The spare heating 
element will guarantee the tank will rust out and spray water all over your 
basement before the installed element burns up.

Mark


> On Dec 31, 2014, at 2:11 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:
> 
> Anyone know of a inexpensive do it yourself way to make a dc constant current 
> electric load for testing power supplies, lithium batteries , etc ? Looking 
> for something maybe 2kw+ and the cheapest premade thing I can find is $3500. 
> Maybe I'll just use a carbon pile load but that will be much less accurate.
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 450 SM Pricing

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

There is a Volume Purchase Agreement (VPA) available.

The original version was pretty awful; but it’s improved.   I can’t tell if 
they are still tying AP sales to CPE sales (which I wish they wouldn’t do), but 
there are some decent price breaks available.

Mark


> On Dec 31, 2014, at 1:44 PM, Matt via Af  wrote:
> 
> These things are still pretty pricey with all the competition out
> there.  Does Cambium have any price breaks for 100 lot etc?

Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers and Air Gateways.

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Make that on all of the products.   Two SSID’s on the AP - a ‘install’ SSID 
that the CPE can associate to by default, and a ‘sector’ SSID that we use to 
lock the CPE to the sector once it’s installed.   

What is so hard about this?   Cisco Aironet AP's could do this 15 years ago.

Mark

> On Dec 31, 2014, at 8:48 AM, joseph marsh via Af  wrote:
> 
> +1
> 
> On Dec 30, 2014 11:29 PM, "Rory Conaway via Af"  > wrote:
> As much as I’d like to stay with those devices, lack of a second SSID for 
> guests for example, is becoming a problem.  I had 3 people in the last 2 
> weeks ask for this feature and I don’t disagree with them.  Come on guys, 
> we’ve been asking for this for 5 years.  It’s time.
> 
>  
> 
> Rory Conaway
> Triad Wireless
> 4226 S. 37th Street
> Phoenix, Az.  85040
> 602-426-0542 
> r...@triadwireless.net 
> www.triadwireless.net 
>  
> 
> “Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane”
> 
>  
> 

Re: [AFMUG] access to Greenpacket wixs-177

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Want another one?

Mark

On 12/26/14 2:14 PM, Philip Rankin via Af wrote:
Hi Steve, Thanks!  I don't think these are the same.  And, btw, I am 
not sure that I got any from you.  Things go by so danged fast here, 
and I'm gettin' old so I am more confused than I should oghtta be!  
Anyway, I have all of the access to the units except the username and 
password.  The default admin -- admin doesn't work.  I have tried 
researching all over the net to find a way to hardware reset the unit, 
but haven't found anything yet.


And, are you the guy that I purchased the Purewave 6636s from?  Wow, 
they work GOOD!  Thanks!




--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Mike,

Can you ditch the hot linked images in your signature?The warning 
messages from the email client get to be a bit old.


Facebook, Google, LinkedIn, and Twitter don't really need to know every 
time someone looks at one of your messages.


Mark


On 12/26/14 7:43 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
The NY Times piece I think hits the nail on the head...  it's people 
clicking on things without reading what they're doing, then blaming 
somebody else for their actions.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




*From: *"Eric Kuhnke via Af" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, December 26, 2014 5:19:28 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin

http://venturebeat.com/2014/06/14/linkedin-faces-lawsuit-for-emailing-user-contacts-without-permission/


http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/21/users-sue-linkedin-over-harvesting-of-e-mail-addresses/?_r=0



On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 4:51 AM, Mike Hammett via Af > wrote:


Agreed. It only messages or invites people that you authorize it
to. Anyone that told you different is a liar.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





*From: *"Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Thursday, December 25, 2014 6:47:19 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin

It only does that if you (at least in Apple IOS) if you tell it to.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 

On Dec 25, 2014, at 6:34 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

I refuse to use LinkedIn since the news that it randomly
steals your entire iOS / Android contact list and auto spams
everyone. Such BS.

On Dec 25, 2014 4:19 PM, "Chuck McCown via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

I wish there was a way to un-endorse certain people...







--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

It's just a little geopolitical Christmas present.

The old joke - what's the best price of oil for OPEC?   $100, $100, 
$100, $50, $100.


When the price drops to $50 it kills all of the speculative drilling and 
investment in alternative energy, and then OPEC raises the price back 
and ensures they stay relevant.


The low oil price also punishes a variety of political enemies - Russia, 
ISIS, Iran, and a couple of South American countries.


The low price won't last, but it's nice for a while and plays into a 
number of political battles.


Mark


On 12/24/14 10:58 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
Wonder what the play is there.  How long will gas prices stay this 
low?  And how low will they go? Saudi Arabia is in the drivers seat 
for now.  Russia and a few of the OPEC nations are getting it in the 
shorts.


Someone will blink.  I'm betting that gas will turn around in 3-6 months.

--
bp


On 12/24/2014 7:11 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:

Yep:
http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/energy/refined-products/rbob-gasoline.html
*From:* Chuck McCown 
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 24, 2014 8:10 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...
I wonder if you can purchase gasoline futures?
*From:* Josh Luthman via Af 
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 24, 2014 7:59 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...

Get a few 55 gallon drums.  That's what we did around 2006.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 24, 2014 9:44 AM, "Chuck McCown via Af" > wrote:


I wish I had a 50,000 gallon tank and I wish that gas did not 
have a shelf life.

*From:* Jaime Solorza via Af 
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 23, 2014 9:51 PM
*To:* Animal Farm 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...

Gas at 1.87 a gallon today

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 23, 2014 4:20 PM, "Jaime Solorza via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

As long as they leave my shrubbery  alone.

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 23, 2014 1:21 PM, "Chuck McCown via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

I think we still have a citadel or two, don’t we?
*From:* Ken Hohhof via Af 
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:12 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...
Well, North Korea threatened to blow up our “citadels” in
retaliation.
“Tragedy is when I cut my finger.  Comedy is when you
fall into an open sewer and die.”
- Mel Brooks
*From:* Jaime Solorza via Af 
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:48 PM
*To:* Animal Farm 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...

Polemic movie.  I thought it was a comedy

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 23, 2014 12:34 PM, "Gino Villarini via Af"
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

Yes, it is the top local newspaper

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini

On Dec 23, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Mike Hammett via Af
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


Legit news source?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com






*From: *"Gino Villarini via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:09:13 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...


http://www.elnuevodia.com/puertoricoestrenaralapolemicapeliculatheinterview-1915932.html
News in spanish, but local chain to screen the
Movie… who gots the cojo… now??
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com 
@aeronetpr







--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] Omni + Ice

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

There isn't a really a good answer.

Painting them black helps to warm them up when the sun comes out.   I 
have seen people put black heat shrink over them before.   Probably want 
to make sure whatever you add doesn't absorb RF.


Mark

On 12/23/14 5:49 PM, Brian Sullivan via Af wrote:
It seems like a couple times over the winter we have ice that covers a 
side of our omni antennas.
It's only a handful of customers that directly face the iced up side 
of the omni that have degraded signals.
We usually only have an issue when rain slowly switches to ice and 
then snow.
It will either take a tower climb or wait for warmer temps to melt 
said ice.
What measures has anyone here on the list taken to prevent this 
condition?






--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] North Korea is down....

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

UDP 1900 is ephemeral port, and a low number.

Many network stacks pick ports sequentially above 1025 which means some portion 
of legitimate traffic is going to be dropped if you block just based on UDP 
1900.   It will cause intermittent and unpredictable failures for applications 
and it will likely be very difficult to troubleshoot since the issue will be 
short lived in most cases.

You probably want to consider a more specific filter looking deeper in the 
packet.

Mark





> On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:06 AM, Ty Featherling via Af  wrote:
> 
> After seeing suspicious traffic I have dropped UDP port 1900 globally with no 
> ill-effects. I have dropepd over 300 GB of that traffic this month.
> 
> -Ty
> 
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  > wrote:
> I read somewhere, I think maybe Ars, that the DDoS attack has been going on 
> for several days and is using primarily NTP and SSDP (UPnP discovery 
> protocol) amplification.  And that SSDP has succeeded NTP and DNS as the 
> amplification method for big (> 1Gbps) DDoS attacks.  Apparently because the 
> industry jumped on securing open NTP servers.  And even though SSDP provides 
> less amplification than NTP, there are more targets and they are mostly home 
> routers which consumers are not going to patch even if there is patched 
> firmware available.  Plus UDP makes it easier to spoof the source IP.
>  
> So I must have missed that UDP port 1900 is the new target for amplification.
>  
> I did a quick torch and saw a bunch of traffic on udp/1900, some inbound only 
> which I assume are scans, some bidirectional which I’m thinking is suspicious 
> but maybe some port 1900 traffic is normal because it is in the >1024 
> ephemeral port range.
>  
> I went and signed up for ShadowServer, figuring they will tell me what IPs 
> were responding to SSDP requests on what date and I can track down the 
> customer.  Anyone have a better approach?  If you identify customers with 
> UPnP open to the outside, are you contacting them and pushing them to fix it?
>  
> It’s just amazing to me that some routers would have UPnP open on the WAN 
> side.  What’s wrong with these companies?  I saw DLink mentioned, and sure 
> enough, when I torched for udp/1900, I saw a lot of connections for a 
> customer that I seem to remember has a DLink DIR-655.
>  
>  
> From: Jaime Solorza via Af 
> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 7:58 PM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] North Korea is down
>  
> linksys modems for backhauls
>  
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390 
>  
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc 
> via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
> No! No! They have Comcast Cable and Century Link DSL.  Normal stuff.
> 
>  
> 
> Tyson Burris, President 
> Internet Communications Inc. 
> 739 Commerce Dr. 
> Franklin, IN 46131 
>   
> 317-738-0320  Daytime # 
> 317-412-1540  Cell/Direct # 
> Online: www.surfici.net 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> What can ICI do for you?
> 
> 
> Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP 
> Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. 
>   
> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the 
> addressee shown. It contains information that is 
> confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, 
> dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by 
> unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly 
> prohibited.
> 
>  
> 
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson via Af
> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 4:24 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] North Korea is down
> 
>  
> 
> The FBI setup a P2P server in North Korea with the Sony movie as the only 
> download. LOL
> 
> Travis
> 
> On 12/22/2014 2:08 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote:
> 
> 
> What did we do? Lol. How did we do it ?
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone
> 
>  
> 
>  

Re: [AFMUG] 320/450 colocation guide

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Oops - make that 13.3 (Build 15) Beta

Too many version numbers.

Mark

On 12/23/14, 8:55 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote:
The installers are reporting no alignment tones on the 3.65 450 SM's 
installed using 13.2.1 with 5ms frame timing.


Arg...

Mark

On 12/22/14, 9:58 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote:
Cambium posted the 450 3.65 beta colocation guide on the blog 
(community) website today.


We put up one 450 3.65 co-located with a 320AP today.   Just starting 
to play with it.


Mark






--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] 320/450 colocation guide

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

The installers are reporting no alignment tones on the 3.65 450 SM's 
installed using 13.2.1 with 5ms frame timing.


Arg...

Mark

On 12/22/14, 9:58 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote:

Cambium posted the 450 3.65 beta colocation guide on the blog (community) 
website today.

We put up one 450 3.65 co-located with a 320AP today.   Just starting to play 
with it.

Mark



--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

[AFMUG] 320/450 colocation guide

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Cambium posted the 450 3.65 beta colocation guide on the blog (community) 
website today.

We put up one 450 3.65 co-located with a 320AP today.   Just starting to play 
with it.  

Mark

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

code
+ procera though.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com  <http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 12/18/2014 05:38 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

Even at a much lower install per day rate than Mark’s, I sometimes have 
an installer out with 3 different radios for a given install.  This week we had 
one that was going to be either 450 in 3.65, 450 in 5.7, or FSK in 2.4.  
Meanwhile I’m at another site with my laptop playing the role of the NOC guy.  
I am logged into the sessions page of the APs, waiting for a new session to pop 
up at the bottom of the list.  When that happens, I check the signal and run a 
linktest.  If the numbers look good, I tell the installer when he calls, 
meanwhile I’m putting an IP address on the new SM, putting the customer’s name 
on the SNMP page, and configuring anything special like high priority CIR or 
uplink/downlink sustained rates.  Same routine if I have a guy out on a 
maintenance call and he’s pulling a spare or takedown SM from the van to use as 
replacement.  Even if I had a fancy billing system like Mike has to let me 
click on the customer’s name on a map, t
      his would
  not be set up yet in these cases.


From: Mark Radabaugh via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:08 PM
To:af@afmug.com  <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy

Because we install 10, 15, sometimes 20 CPE a day.  It's a pain in the 
ass having to McGiver your way into them every time.   Sure we auto-configure a 
lot of it, but there are still have to get into them to look at signal strength 
and such during the install or when troubleshooting.

Mark

   On Dec 18, 2014, at 8:11 PM, Mike Hammett via Afmailto:af@afmug.com  
mailto:af@afmug.com  wrote:

   Why do you need to access CPE that aren't directly accessible 
multiple times a day?




   -
   Mike Hammett
   Intelligent Computing Solutions
   http://www.ics-il.com




--

   From: "Ken Hohhof via Af"mailto:af@afmug.com  mailto:af@afmug.com
   To:af@afmug.com  <mailto:af@afmug.com>
   Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 7:06:44 PM
   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy


   But I don’t think he’s talking how a skilled person could MacGyver 
it, but rather a session list right there in the GUI with every subscriber 
listed by name, and you click on the name and shazzam, you are logged into that 
SM.

   Like one of many things that pisses me off about my $10K Purewave 
basestation is you can see a list of CPE MAC addresses by subscriber name, but 
if you want to see any stats or change the config for that subscriber, you have 
to find him by his MAC address, not by name.  The expensive piece of crap 
equipment has all the information to make your life easy, but no, it acts like 
a glorified MIB browser.  They even rolled out an NMS that I assumed would add 
this level of intelligence, but no.

   So yes in a pinch you could probably get there through some MAC 
telnet tricks.  But with the AP proxy feature, it’s one click and boom.  If you 
don’t find it useful, fine.  Most of us use it multiple times every day.  It’s 
a cool feature.


   From: Mathew Howard via Af
   Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:50 PM
   To:af@afmug.com  <mailto:af@afmug.com>
   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy

   If there's a mac-telnet package out there for linux, you kind of 
have to wonder why it isn't already in airOS... and ePMP, for that matter. it 
seems like it would be pretty simple to add and incredibly useful.




--

   From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com  <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] on behalf 
of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com  <mailto:af@afmug.com>]
   Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:45 PM
   To:af@afmug.com  <mailto:af@afmug.com>
   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy


   I never really had a need for it. I now no longer have any PMP 
devices on my network.

   Now that I deploy any new Mikrotik wireless either, but if you can 
get to any Mikrotik device on that layer 2 segment, you can get to the rest. 
Router, AP, CPE, doesn't matter.




   -
   Mike Hammett
   Intelligent Computing Solutions
   http://www.ics-il.com




--

   From: "Steve D via Af"mailto:af@afmug.com  mailto:af@afmug.com
   To: "af"mailto:af@afmug.com  mailto:af@afmug.com
   Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:01:01 PM
   Subject: Re: [A

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Um... who are you calling old?Josh just started shaving last week.   (Ok - 
I'm kidding, but I'm pretty sure he is under 30).

And dammit - I've earned the right to be a crotchety old man and screw it - I'm 
going to enjoy it.

Mark


> On Dec 18, 2014, at 9:13 PM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
> 
> Canopy guys seem to like it one way and one way only. Crotchety old men...
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> 
> From: "Josh Luthman via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:10:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
> 
> What exactly is the problem with adding tools to make it easier to access???  
> Just add the features that people want, if you don't like 'em don't use 'em!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af  <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
> Because we install 10, 15, sometimes 20 CPE a day.  It's a pain in the ass 
> having to McGiver your way into them every time.   Sure we auto-configure a 
> lot of it, but there are still have to get into them to look at signal 
> strength and such during the install or when troubleshooting.
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Dec 18, 2014, at 8:11 PM, Mike Hammett via Af  <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
> 
> Why do you need to access CPE that aren't directly accessible multiple times 
> a day?
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> 
> From: "Ken Hohhof via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 7:06:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
> 
> But I don’t think he’s talking how a skilled person could MacGyver it, but 
> rather a session list right there in the GUI with every subscriber listed by 
> name, and you click on the name and shazzam, you are logged into that SM.
>  
> Like one of many things that pisses me off about my $10K Purewave basestation 
> is you can see a list of CPE MAC addresses by subscriber name, but if you 
> want to see any stats or change the config for that subscriber, you have to 
> find him by his MAC address, not by name.  The expensive piece of crap 
> equipment has all the information to make your life easy, but no, it acts 
> like a glorified MIB browser.  They even rolled out an NMS that I assumed 
> would add this level of intelligence, but no.
>  
> So yes in a pinch you could probably get there through some MAC telnet 
> tricks.  But with the AP proxy feature, it’s one click and boom.  If you 
> don’t find it useful, fine.  Most of us use it multiple times every day.  
> It’s a cool feature.
>  
>  
> From: Mathew Howard via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:50 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
>  
> If there's a mac-telnet package out there for linux, you kind of have to 
> wonder why it isn't already in airOS... and ePMP, for that matter. it seems 
> like it would be pretty simple to add and incredibly useful.
>  
> From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] on behalf of 
> Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>]
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:45 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
> 
> I never really had a need for it. I now no longer have any PMP devices on my 
> network.
> 
> Now that I deploy any new Mikrotik wireless either, but if you can get to any 
> Mikrotik device on that layer 2 segment, you can get to the rest. Router, AP, 
> CPE, doesn't matter.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> 
> From: "Steve D via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:01:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
> 
> Mike,  
>  
> You sound like you're trying to excuse it for not being there instead of just 
> embracing a good feature that works?  Yes, there are ways around, BUT, the 
> Canopy AP-SM proxy *just works*.  No thinking about how to get to that SM is 
> required, if you can get to the AP then you can get to the SM - end of story.
>  
> -Steve D
>  
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 8:37 A

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

es it so bullet-proof on Canopy, is the internal network 
> between the AP and the SMs (169.254.101.x) which is what makes the proxy so 
> smooth. With ePMP and UBNT, you're still at the mercy of having the right IP 
> address set in the SM before you can manage it (even when connecting from the 
> AP).
> We sorely miss this feature in ePMP, and it makes NMS mapping a major 
> headache..  We don't pre-map SMs before they go out into the field, so with 
> ePMPs, I have to create a static ARP entry for the 192.168.0.2 address in the 
> closest Mikrotik router, and use the Tik proxy to get into the SM.. Change 
> IP, delete ARP, rinse, repeat.
> 
> Click-through is a cruel joke without the proxy. I really, really hope it 
> gets properly implemented.
> 
> Vlad
> 
> On 12/18/2014 7:18 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
> How are you doing it with Ubnt?  Can't the same be done with epmp?
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Dec 18, 2014 8:06 AM, "Mark Radabaugh via Af"  <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
> For our install method proxy access (or some means of remote access to a 
> minimally configured CPE) is a must have.  The installers do NOT have to get 
> out a computer or otherwise access the device.  Power it up, point it at the 
> tower, listen for signal, call the office for a signal quality check and go.  
>  Everything regarding CPE programming can be done remotely.  
>  
> This can be done with Ubnt as well by SSH to the AP's and then to the CPE but 
> it's not as clean as Canopy.   
>  
> No way at all that I know of with ePMP.
>  
> Mark  
>  
>  
> On Dec 17, 2014, at 11:04 PM, Steve D via Af  <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>  
> Use it all the time.  Between it and installer color code field techs can't 
> FUBAR an install.  When our larger networks were vlan'd years ago that made 
> the process super safe.
> One of the "best features" of the canopy platform in my book.  It annoys me 
> working on 802.11 crap when I see a tech has typo'd something like an IP or 
> vlan.
> On Dec 17, 2014 7:30 PM, "Bill Prince via Af"  <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
> Me too.
> 
> I don't know how many times I've used it, but it's more than I have finger to 
> count on.
> 
> --
> bp
> 
> 
> On 12/17/2014 7:08 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote:
> No, rather just have it.
> 
> On 12/17/2014 9:07 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
> Rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it.
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Dec 17, 2014 9:55 PM, "Mike Hammett via Af"  <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
> I used it a couple times on my Canopy gear, but it was never a show-stopper 
> to not have it.
> 
> This brings me to a new post...
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> 
> From: "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af"  <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:30:14 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
> 
> OK Cambium ePMP dudes and chicks, I am disappointed. I thought you guys 
> had Canopy-like SM "click-thru" access, aka LUID proxy. But this is not 
> the case on 2.3.3. All you give me is a URL with the IP of the SM. 
> Informational helpful, yes, operationally helpful, no.
> 
> I'm guessing you need an RF private network like exists on Canopy to 
> make this work. Please do it.
>  
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

That Cambium so completely failed to realize how big of a use proxy access was 
on the Canopy product still completely baffles me.   Cambium spent way too much 
time trying to make a better Ubiquiti product rather than understanding how and 
why their own product was used.   

Hopefully they learned something :-)

Mark


> On Dec 18, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Vlad Sedov via Af  wrote:
> 
> One thing that makes it so bullet-proof on Canopy, is the internal network 
> between the AP and the SMs (169.254.101.x) which is what makes the proxy so 
> smooth. With ePMP and UBNT, you're still at the mercy of having the right IP 
> address set in the SM before you can manage it (even when connecting from the 
> AP).
> We sorely miss this feature in ePMP, and it makes NMS mapping a major 
> headache..  We don't pre-map SMs before they go out into the field, so with 
> ePMPs, I have to create a static ARP entry for the 192.168.0.2 address in the 
> closest Mikrotik router, and use the Tik proxy to get into the SM.. Change 
> IP, delete ARP, rinse, repeat.
> 
> Click-through is a cruel joke without the proxy. I really, really hope it 
> gets properly implemented.
> 
> Vlad
> 
> On 12/18/2014 7:18 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
>> How are you doing it with Ubnt?  Can't the same be done with epmp?
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> On Dec 18, 2014 8:06 AM, "Mark Radabaugh via Af" > <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>> For our install method proxy access (or some means of remote access to a 
>> minimally configured CPE) is a must have.  The installers do NOT have to get 
>> out a computer or otherwise access the device.  Power it up, point it at the 
>> tower, listen for signal, call the office for a signal quality check and go. 
>>   Everything regarding CPE programming can be done remotely.  
>> 
>> This can be done with Ubnt as well by SSH to the AP's and then to the CPE 
>> but it's not as clean as Canopy.   
>> 
>> No way at all that I know of with ePMP.
>> 
>> Mark  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 11:04 PM, Steve D via Af >> <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Use it all the time.  Between it and installer color code field techs can't 
>>> FUBAR an install.  When our larger networks were vlan'd years ago that made 
>>> the process super safe.
>>> 
>>> One of the "best features" of the canopy platform in my book.  It annoys me 
>>> working on 802.11 crap when I see a tech has typo'd something like an IP or 
>>> vlan.
>>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2014 7:30 PM, "Bill Prince via Af" >> <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>> Me too.
>>> 
>>> I don't know how many times I've used it, but it's more than I have finger 
>>> to count on.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> bp
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/17/2014 7:08 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote:
>>>> No, rather just have it.
>>>> 
>>>> On 12/17/2014 9:07 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
>>>>> Rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 17, 2014 9:55 PM, "Mike Hammett via Af" >>>> <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>>>> I used it a couple times on my Canopy gear, but it was never a 
>>>>> show-stopper to not have it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This brings me to a new post...
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af" >>>> <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:30:14 PM
>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
>>>>> 
>>>>> OK Cambium ePMP dudes and chicks, I am disappointed. I thought you guys 
>>>>> had Canopy-like SM "click-thru" access, aka LUID proxy. But this is not 
>>>>> the case on 2.3.3. All you give me is a URL with the IP of the SM. 
>>>>> Informational helpful, yes, operationally helpful, no.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm guessing you need an RF private network like exists on Canopy to 
>>>>> make this work. Please do it.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

SSH to the AP and add a secondary interface on 192.168.1.20 to the AP.  (Or is 
that already there?  I forget if we added that manually or not)   In any 
case you need a IP address at the AP on the UBNT default subnet.

Then SSH forward to the CPE:

ssh admin@theap-name -L 8088:192.168.1.20:80
ssh admin@theap-name -L 8089:192.168.1.20:443

You can then reach a defaulted CPE at http://localhost:8088 
<http://localhost:8088/> or https://localhost:8089 <https://localhost:8089/> in 
your web browser

This method still requires sending the CPE out the door with the correct wifi 
settings and SSID.   Multiple SSID support at the AP's would make this much 
easier but AFAIK UBNT has not gotten around to adding that.   The ability to 
set a 'install' SSID on all of the AP's that the default CPE can connect to 
until we switch the CPE to the proper runtime SSID would have been helpful.   

Mark


> On Dec 18, 2014, at 8:18 AM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:
> 
> How are you doing it with Ubnt?  Can't the same be done with epmp?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Dec 18, 2014 8:06 AM, "Mark Radabaugh via Af"  <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
> For our install method proxy access (or some means of remote access to a 
> minimally configured CPE) is a must have.  The installers do NOT have to get 
> out a computer or otherwise access the device.  Power it up, point it at the 
> tower, listen for signal, call the office for a signal quality check and go.  
>  Everything regarding CPE programming can be done remotely.  
> 
> This can be done with Ubnt as well by SSH to the AP's and then to the CPE but 
> it's not as clean as Canopy.   
> 
> No way at all that I know of with ePMP.
> 
> Mark  
> 
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 11:04 PM, Steve D via Af > <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Use it all the time.  Between it and installer color code field techs can't 
>> FUBAR an install.  When our larger networks were vlan'd years ago that made 
>> the process super safe.
>> 
>> One of the "best features" of the canopy platform in my book.  It annoys me 
>> working on 802.11 crap when I see a tech has typo'd something like an IP or 
>> vlan.
>> 
>> On Dec 17, 2014 7:30 PM, "Bill Prince via Af" > <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>> Me too.
>> 
>> I don't know how many times I've used it, but it's more than I have finger 
>> to count on.
>> 
>> --
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/17/2014 7:08 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote:
>>> No, rather just have it.
>>> 
>>> On 12/17/2014 9:07 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
>>>> Rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it.
>>>> 
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 17, 2014 9:55 PM, "Mike Hammett via Af" >>> <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>>> I used it a couple times on my Canopy gear, but it was never a 
>>>> show-stopper to not have it.
>>>> 
>>>> This brings me to a new post...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>> http://www.ics-il.com <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> 
>>>> From: "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af" >>> <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:30:14 PM
>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
>>>> 
>>>> OK Cambium ePMP dudes and chicks, I am disappointed. I thought you guys 
>>>> had Canopy-like SM "click-thru" access, aka LUID proxy. But this is not 
>>>> the case on 2.3.3. All you give me is a URL with the IP of the SM. 
>>>> Informational helpful, yes, operationally helpful, no.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm guessing you need an RF private network like exists on Canopy to 
>>>> make this work. Please do it.
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

For our install method proxy access (or some means of remote access to a 
minimally configured CPE) is a must have.  The installers do NOT have to get 
out a computer or otherwise access the device.  Power it up, point it at the 
tower, listen for signal, call the office for a signal quality check and go.   
Everything regarding CPE programming can be done remotely.  

This can be done with Ubnt as well by SSH to the AP's and then to the CPE but 
it's not as clean as Canopy.   

No way at all that I know of with ePMP.

Mark  


> On Dec 17, 2014, at 11:04 PM, Steve D via Af  wrote:
> 
> Use it all the time.  Between it and installer color code field techs can't 
> FUBAR an install.  When our larger networks were vlan'd years ago that made 
> the process super safe.
> 
> One of the "best features" of the canopy platform in my book.  It annoys me 
> working on 802.11 crap when I see a tech has typo'd something like an IP or 
> vlan.
> 
> On Dec 17, 2014 7:30 PM, "Bill Prince via Af"  > wrote:
> Me too.
> 
> I don't know how many times I've used it, but it's more than I have finger to 
> count on.
> 
> --
> bp
> 
> 
> On 12/17/2014 7:08 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote:
>> No, rather just have it.
>> 
>> On 12/17/2014 9:07 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
>>> Rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2014 9:55 PM, "Mike Hammett via Af" >> > wrote:
>>> I used it a couple times on my Canopy gear, but it was never a show-stopper 
>>> to not have it.
>>> 
>>> This brings me to a new post...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com 
>>> 
>>> From: "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af" >> >
>>> To: af@afmug.com 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:30:14 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
>>> 
>>> OK Cambium ePMP dudes and chicks, I am disappointed. I thought you guys 
>>> had Canopy-like SM "click-thru" access, aka LUID proxy. But this is not 
>>> the case on 2.3.3. All you give me is a URL with the IP of the SM. 
>>> Informational helpful, yes, operationally helpful, no.
>>> 
>>> I'm guessing you need an RF private network like exists on Canopy to 
>>> make this work. Please do it.
>>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy v13.2 and SNMP Bug?

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Tushar,

We do most of the programming using SNMP traps when the CPE registers.

The configuration tool we built for the office takes care of defaulting the 
unit, pushing the "Read/Write SNMP" button, sets the radios to 20Mhz (or 10Mhz 
for 3.65), sets the appropriate frequencies (no 5.4, all 5.7 skipping the 
2.5Mhz increments), checks that we have the proper software version, and 
generally gets the radio back into a known state before it goes back out the 
door.

With 5.7 the units take a lot longer to register if they have to scan 5Mhz, 
10Mhz, 20Mhz, the 5.4 and 5.7 spectrum so we turn off what we don't use.

Mark


> On Dec 17, 2014, at 8:31 PM, Tushar Patel via Af  wrote:
> 
> Mark,
> 
> I thought you had SNMP trap setup for radios and programmed dynamically?
> 
> Tushar
> 
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 4:30 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af  wrote:
>> 
>> We finally got around to building a 8 port "SM Programmer" out of a Soekris 
>> board and OpenBSD.It has 7 Ethernet ports on the front.  Plug a SM with 
>> a default plug in and of the 7 ports and it blows all the template onto it 
>> and lets you know when it's done.
>> 
>> Saves a lot of time for inside guys and avoids a whole lot of minor 
>> configuration errors that frustrate everyone.  Now they all go out the door 
>> right (or all wrong).
>> 
>> Of course right after we got around to writing it Cambium finally got around 
>> to the text configuration file :-)
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>>> On 12/17/14, 5:20 PM, Matt via Af wrote:
>>> Will try to strip our stuff out, clean them up a bit and post an
>>> example when I get a chance.  There pretty ugly right now.
>>> 
>>>> I love a copy of these scripts, too!  More compensation available.  :-)
>>>> 
>>>> DaveW
>>>> 
>>>> On 12/8/2014 4:24 PM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> would you care to share your scripts matt?
>>>> 
>>>> i'd be glad to buy beers or other compensation.  our guys have been asking
>>>> for an easy way to do all this and i've been too busy to build the scripts
>>>> myself.
>>>> 
>>>> -sean
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mark Radabaugh
>> Amplex
>> 
>> m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy v13.2 and SNMP Bug?

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Virtual Routing Instances:

http://www.packetmischief.ca/2011/09/20/virtualizing-the-openbsd-routing-table/

Mark

On 12/17/14, 5:33 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
How exactly does that work?  Not familiar with Soekris.  My issue is 
having the same IP on 7 interfaces talking to the same IP on each said 
interface.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


We finally got around to building a 8 port "SM Programmer" out of
a Soekris board and OpenBSD.It has 7 Ethernet ports on the
front.  Plug a SM with a default plug in and of the 7 ports and it
blows all the template onto it and lets you know when it's done.

Saves a lot of time for inside guys and avoids a whole lot of
minor configuration errors that frustrate everyone.  Now they all
go out the door right (or all wrong).

Of course right after we got around to writing it Cambium finally
got around to the text configuration file :-)

Mark


On 12/17/14, 5:20 PM, Matt via Af wrote:

Will try to strip our stuff out, clean them up a bit and post an
example when I get a chance.  There pretty ugly right now.

I love a copy of these scripts, too!  More compensation
available.  :-)

DaveW

On 12/8/2014 4:24 PM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote:

would you care to share your scripts matt?

i'd be glad to buy beers or other compensation.  our guys
have been asking
for an easy way to do all this and i've been too busy to
build the scripts
myself.

-sean





-- 
Mark Radabaugh

Amplex

m...@amplex.net <mailto:m...@amplex.net> 419.837.5015 x 1021






--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] Graphing Canopy PTP450

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Don't know.   It's a one-time thing after the software upgrade from some 
unknown earlier version to some recent version.  I was never able to 
narrow it down exactly since it usually only happens once with the upgrade.


Mark

On 12/17/14, 5:24 PM, Matt via Af wrote:

Does the 13.3 beta fix this?


Yes.   Are you using traps?

If so there is a really weird bug after an upgrade - try setting all the
trap receiver settings in the SM back to 0.0.0.0 and save the settings but
don't reboot.  See if you get a SNMP response - you should.  Undo the saved
changes under 'unit settings' and SNMP works again.   Got me.

Mark


On 12/17/14, 5:13 PM, Matt via Af wrote:

Graphing signal strength and Ethernet traffic on many BH20's and
PTP430's on our network using MRTG and SNMP.  They are all running
13.1.3 release.  Thought the same settings would work with PTP450
running 13.2 as long as SNMP settings were same.  Not working.  Anyone
else graphing the PTP450?



--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy v13.2 and SNMP Bug?

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

We finally got around to building a 8 port "SM Programmer" out of a 
Soekris board and OpenBSD.It has 7 Ethernet ports on the front.  
Plug a SM with a default plug in and of the 7 ports and it blows all the 
template onto it and lets you know when it's done.


Saves a lot of time for inside guys and avoids a whole lot of minor 
configuration errors that frustrate everyone.  Now they all go out the 
door right (or all wrong).


Of course right after we got around to writing it Cambium finally got 
around to the text configuration file :-)


Mark

On 12/17/14, 5:20 PM, Matt via Af wrote:

Will try to strip our stuff out, clean them up a bit and post an
example when I get a chance.  There pretty ugly right now.


I love a copy of these scripts, too!  More compensation available.  :-)

DaveW

On 12/8/2014 4:24 PM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote:

would you care to share your scripts matt?

i'd be glad to buy beers or other compensation.  our guys have been asking
for an easy way to do all this and i've been too busy to build the scripts
myself.

-sean






--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] Graphing Canopy PTP450

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Yes.   Are you using traps?

If so there is a really weird bug after an upgrade - try setting all the 
trap receiver settings in the SM back to 0.0.0.0 and save the settings 
but don't reboot.  See if you get a SNMP response - you should.  Undo 
the saved changes under 'unit settings' and SNMP works again.   Got me.


Mark

On 12/17/14, 5:13 PM, Matt via Af wrote:

Graphing signal strength and Ethernet traffic on many BH20's and
PTP430's on our network using MRTG and SNMP.  They are all running
13.1.3 release.  Thought the same settings would work with PTP450
running 13.2 as long as SNMP settings were same.  Not working.  Anyone
else graphing the PTP450?



--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] WTB: Need to work with a good Motorola 2 Way dealer. STAT !

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

These guys know Motorola radios, both analog and digital: www.futronics.us

800-443-2929

Mike owns it, Tony is one of the techs.  Or luck of the draw :-)

Mark

On 12/17/14, 3:14 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:


Need to work with a good Motorola 2 Way dealer.  STAT !

Need some intelligence and need to buy some stuff

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com 

pa...@pdmnet.net 




--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Bridged vs Routed

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

This is where the majority of large carriers are going:

http://metroethernetforum.org/carrier-ethernet/carrier-ethernet-services

If you are buying (or selling) services to any of the larger carriers 
you are likely seeing MEF standards in use - Ethernet Virtual 
Connections, NNI and UNI interfaces.


There are a lot of really nice features in MEF that allow you to sell 
protocol independent Ethernet across your network or across multiple 
networks.  Something like a point to point where Time Warner is one end 
and your customer is on the other end.   Or a PMP type of arrangement 
where 2 customers are on Comcast, 3 are on AT&T, and 4 are your wireless 
customers.   To the customer it just appears as if the 9 sites are 
connected via an Ethernet switch and you don't care in the least what 
addressing or protocols they run.


If you are selling to any of the cell carriers they expect MEF services 
and specifically Y.1731 performance monitoring.  This allows you and 
your customers to prove that you are actually providing the bandwidth, 
latency, jitter, and uptime.


MEF adds a great deal of monitoring and troubleshooting capability to 
the network.  It allows you to monitor end to end and within your own 
network in order to identify both to you and your partners where a 
problem exists and who is responsible for it.


--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Bridged vs Routed

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

MEF, PBB, PBB-TE, MPLS, VLAN, G.8032, ERPS, VLAN, etc. are all valid 
alternatives to a L3 routed network.   All of these are tools in the 
toolbox.


If you insist that the only proper tool is a hammer that's your choice 
-  but I don't think the results are going to be all that pretty.


Mark

On 12/17/14, 10:49 AM, Josh Baird via Af wrote:
I'm hoping that this show will actually discuss the advantages of a 
"non-routed" L2 bridged network using MPLS, VLANs or whatever.


Josh

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


That statement is so completely wrong I'm not even sure where to
start.

Ah well... just keep going exactly the opposite direction of the
overall industry.  Good luck with that.

Mark


On 12/17/14, 10:33 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:

Seems like an awfully quick show. Are you bridging? *slap*
Stop it.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: Dennis Burgess via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:25:22 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [AFMUG] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Bridged vs Routed

  <http://www.ispradio.com/>
http://www.ispradio.com/images/ispLogoWoodWhite.PNGCo-Host
Dennis Burgess will be discussing bridging vs routing with
host Steven Grabiel. Join us live and ask questions about
“Bridging vs Routing”


Wednesday 11am CST


Don’t forgot you can download the previous episodes to put on
your media player and listen while in your car free of charge
by going to <http://www.ispradio.com> www.ispradio.com
<http://www.ispradio.com> Remember to sign into the live chat
to ask questions! You can find our Podcast on I-Tunes !


n UPCOMMING SHOWS!

n December 24th – No Show –Happy Holidays

n January 14th – Nathan Stooke from WISPERISP will be talking
about “Over the Top TV”

n January 21st – Anand Buch CEO of Netsapiens

n January 28th – Patrick Leary with Telrad




Dennis Burgess, Co-Host of ISP Radio!

  <http://www.ispradio.com> http://www.ispradio.com







-- 
Mark Radabaugh

Amplex

m...@amplex.net <mailto:m...@amplex.net> 419.837.5015 x 1021





--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Bridged vs Routed

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

That statement is so completely wrong I'm not even sure where to start.

Ah well... just keep going exactly the opposite direction of the overall 
industry.  Good luck with that.


Mark

On 12/17/14, 10:33 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:

Seems like an awfully quick show. Are you bridging? *slap* Stop it.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: Dennis Burgess via Af 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:25:22 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [AFMUG] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Bridged vs Routed

   
http://www.ispradio.com/images/ispLogoWoodWhite.PNGCo-Host Dennis Burgess will be 
discussing bridging vs routing with host Steven Grabiel. Join us live and ask 
questions about “Bridging vs Routing”

  


Wednesday 11am CST

  


Don’t forgot you can download the previous episodes to put on your media player and 
listen while in your car free of charge by going to  
www.ispradio.com Remember to sign into the live chat to ask questions! You can find 
our Podcast on I-Tunes !

  


n UPCOMMING SHOWS!

n December 24th – No Show –Happy Holidays

n January 14th – Nathan Stooke from WISPERISP will be talking about “Over the 
Top TV”

n January 21st – Anand Buch CEO of Netsapiens

n January 28th – Patrick Leary with Telrad

  

  

  


Dennis Burgess, Co-Host of ISP Radio!

   http://www.ispradio.com

  

  







--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

When we got down to the last 5 or so we gave them the choice of going away or a 
wireless connection for the $14.95 with it locked to 128k.   It's not like FSK 
SM's are hard to come by.   I suppose I might regret that if I have to buy them 
a 450 SM one of these days.In any case it was cheaper than the PRI.   I 
wonder how many of those 128k accounts are left.

Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
27800 Lemoyne, Ste F
Millbury, OH 43447
419-261-5996

> On Dec 16, 2014, at 5:23 PM, Ty Featherling via Af  wrote:
> 
> We have a few of them left as well. They just won't go away. We have offered 
> free installs even and they won't budge. I can't even imagine using dialup 
> for just email now-a-days. *Shivers*
> 
> -Ty
> 
>> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af  wrote:
>> We had a Virgil and Johana [last name redacted] come in for dial up service 
>> years and years ago.  Same situation, they had no idea what they wanted for 
>> an email address.  They decided to combine their first names and came up 
>> with Virghana...Our sales guy almost lost it after he wrote it down on the 
>> paper and read it out loud.
>> 
>> Oh the good ol dial up days.  We actually still have like 4 dial up 
>> customers...
>> 
>>> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>>> Good Chinese name.
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dong_people
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: Shayne Lebrun via Af
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 1:11 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)
>>>  
>>> One day, way back in the dialup days, when people would sign up for an 
>>> account, they’d have no idea what to use for an email address.  So we 
>>> suggested ‘first name, initial of last name.’
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> One day, an older gent comes in, signs up.  My coworker brings me the form, 
>>> I start to set it all up.  Then I notice the email address.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> ‘Doug,’ I say, to my older, straight-laced, religious-type co-worker, ‘are 
>>> you sure about this email address?’
>>> 
>>> ‘Yes,’ he says.
>>> 
>>> ‘Really?’  says I.
>>> 
>>> ‘Yes, ‘ he says.  ‘Don G.  That’s his name.’
>>> 
>>> ‘Look at the form, Doug,’ I urge.  ‘Look at it.’
>>> 
>>> He looks.
>>> 
>>> ‘Don G at ourdomain.com.  Looks fine to me,’ he says.
>>> 
>>> ‘Keep looking,’ I say, and I wait.
>>> 
>>> Tick.
>>> 
>>> Tick.
>>> 
>>> Tick.
>>> 
>>> “OH NO! “ and out he races to attempt to catch the man who just signed up 
>>> for an email address of ‘d...@ourdomain.com’.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 2:59 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Seriously, that would have been very cool.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Rory
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy via Af
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 12:48 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> That's funny.  My wife wanted to name our son Arrow until I made her say 
>>> that one out loud.  Arrow SmithI don't think so.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Craig House via Af  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My last name is House.   When my son was on the way my wife and I  were 
>>> discussing names for him.   She suggested Porter.   She was serious until I 
>>> made her say his whole name out loud. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Craig
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: "Ben Wirch via Af" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 4:14:37 PM
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I have a Brenda Titsworth as a sub.
>>> 
>>> On Dec 13, 2014, at 2:58 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> But I really have a customer D. Cline, and his card really was declined, 
>>> otherwise it wouldn’t be all that amusing.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> There’s no accounting for what people name their kids, though.  I worked 
>>> with a Howard Johnson, a Ronald McDonald, a Rusty Steele, and a Harry Dyke. 
>>>  I went to school with a Jerry Ferry.  Oh, and I’ll bet Ben Dover downloads 
>>> a lot of software from Cambium’s website.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Craig House via Af
>>> 
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:23 PM
>>> 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> And the twins Ben and Ilene Dover
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: "Jon Bruce via Af" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:19:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Can't forget good old Harry Showerdrain.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On 12/13/2014 3:48 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af wrote:
>>> 
>>> I heard Cheech use it a movie but not sure where it comes from.  Like I.P. 
>>> Freely.   Seymour Butts  juvenile stuff.
>>> 
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>> 
>>> On Dec 13, 2014 1:38 PM, "Chuck McCown via Af"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It took me a moment...
>>> 
>>>  

Re: [AFMUG] offtopic - jaguar makes cool stuff

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Paddles are pretty awful compared to a stick.  Sure it’s fast - but you have no 
control at all over shift quality.   Wind out manumatics and they crack off 
very hard shifts.   They do the same for downshifts.  They won’t let you do 
anything they don’t like - give them too much torque and they downshift 
regardless of what you tell them.  Same with upshifts.  I just give up and put 
them in automatic mode.

I much prefer a manual - it does exactly what I want 95% of the time, and the 
other 5% is my screwup.  I can live with that 5%.

Want to pass someone without a lot of drama?   Make a very downshift (if you 
even need to) and floor it - no drama at all.   It doesn’t kick into 2nd, make 
a lot of noise, and jerk everyone in the car.   Want a smooth deceleration?  
Just let the engine slow you down - automatics just freewheel anymore with no 
engine braking.   Want a lot of drama? - just downshift and mash it.  

Mark





> On Dec 16, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:
> 
> Not at all.  The up/down on the stick shift for manu-matic is just weird and 
> awful.  When you're using paddles it's more F1 like.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Mathew Howard via Af  > wrote:
> I've never driven a real paddle shift, but I did have a car with a manually 
> shiftable automatic, which I'd guess is a somewhat similar experience... 
> definitely not at all the same as a stick shift, but it does give you 
> somewhat more of an involved feel than automatic.
> 
> The lack of a clutch definitely would make a huge difference.
> 
> From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com ] on behalf of 
> Josh Luthman via Af [af@afmug.com ]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 11:01 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] offtopic - jaguar makes cool stuff
> 
> It's not the same thing AT ALL.  It's a third gear box option.  My car has 
> automatic and paddle shift.  It is not the same as driving the 6MT of the 
> identical car at all.  Remember there is no clutch and it is generally 
> sequential, which is probably where that different feel of driving comes in.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  > wrote:
> For manual lovers that have used "flappy-paddle gear boxes", how do they 
> compare in the involvement with the driving experience?
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com 
> 
> From: "Jason McKemie via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:54:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] offtopic - jaguar makes cool stuff
> 
> All of my vehicles except my most recent car (and the work van) have been 
> manual, I miss that quite a bit.
> 
> On Tuesday, December 16, 2014, Bill Prince via Af  > wrote:
> My wife and I love stick shifts. Probably an attitude that is restricted to 
> people that love the driving thing.  Stick shift makes you more "involved".
> 
> And like you say, it also is a crude form of theft control. Becoming more 
> effective every day.  I'm surprised by the number of people that don't know 
> how to drive a stick any more.
> 
> --
> bp
> 
> 
> On 12/16/2014 8:16 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af wrote:
> On 12/16/14, 8:02 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
> Primitive beings and their manual gearboxes.
> 
> 
> 
> I still drive a stick because it's fun. Also nobody else drives my car 
> because they can't figure out how to operate it.
> 
> ~Seth
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

The squatting by the HFT guys is really ticking me off at the moment.   I need 
an additional link on a path and can’t find any working channels in 11Ghz.   
I’m going to have to replace the existing 11Ghz link with 2 18Ghz links instead 
of adding a polarization to the existing 11Ghz.   It doubles the cost for a 
path that the HFT guys have been sitting on for at least 2 years.

Mark


> On Dec 15, 2014, at 8:09 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
> 
> Maybe he’s assuming in a few years quantum entanglement or faster-then-light 
> neutrinos will make them obsolete?
>  
> I see more PCNs than physical links.  Abusing the system to call dibs on 
> towers and frequencies.  Most of the PCNs I see are actually renewals, that 
> way they can tie up the coordinated path without starting the construction 
> deadline clock ticking.
>  
>  
>  
> From: Jon Langeler via Af 
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 6:53 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
>  
> What happens in a few years?
>  
> -Jon
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 15, 2014, at 7:11 PM, CARL PETERSON via Af  > wrote:
> 
>> I use them to make a KML of all the HFT links that are going to be sitting 
>> there on the towers doing nothing in a few years.  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 6:01 PM, Bill Prince via Af > > wrote:
>> 
>>> We get them all the time too.  I just scan them to see if they are in the 
>>> same county as our stuff (and they usually are not).  But I filter them all 
>>> to a PCN folder so they aren't clogging up my inbox.
>>> 
>>> You get it if (I think) you are within 150 miles on the same frequency with 
>>> one of your licenses.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> bp
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/15/2014 9:57 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
 Sorry Tim...Liz  and all the other frequency coordinators here.  I know it 
 is not your fault.
  
 You get a few licensed links up and pretty soon you are inundated with 
 notices. 
 The one time I complained about a link, nothing happened at all. 
  
 So, as far as I am concerned, they are a welfare plan designed by the 
 federal government to employ postal workers. 
  
 From: Chuck McCown via Af 
 Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:55 AM
 To: af@afmug.com 
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
  
 They go directly to the trash.
  
 From: That One Guy via Af 
 Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:51 AM
 To: af@afmug.com 
 Subject: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
  
 Since we got our license a few weeks ago we have gotten a ton of these 
 things, some of which are a state away.
 What is the criteria for sending these things out?
 What are we supposed to do with them, are we supposed to run a pth calc to 
 see if it looks like it will cause issues?
 whos responsible for prior notice if it looks like it might? Is it us or 
 the applicant frequency coordinator?
  
 -- 
 All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the 
 parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you 
 can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do 
 not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>>> 
>> 
>>  

[AFMUG] Now that's a lot of GPS Satellites

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

13.2 (Build 40). 

How come I can only see 8 out of 1.8 million?

Mark

Re: [AFMUG] 11 ghz dish, can one put an 18ghz feed horn in it?

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

You can swap feedhorns.We are in the process of doing exactly that due to 
an ordering screwup with 4’ dishes.

Mark


> On Dec 5, 2014, at 11:09 AM, Sam Lambie via Af  wrote:
> 
> I was shipped the wrong antennas (2 foot) for an 18ghz link, I didn't notice 
> that it was an 11 ghz antenna set until I tried to get the radios to link up. 
> Best I could get was -65. It drove me crazy trying to see if I was on a side 
> lobe for half an hour until it got dark and I gave up. Right before I left, I 
> glanced at the label and saw that the antenna was for an 11 ghz link.
> So the question is, are the parabolics on the antenna the same and the feed 
> horn different? Can it be swapped out to get me the -38 that I want, or are 
> we going to have to uninstall the whole shebang?
> 
> 
> Sam
> 
> -- 
> -- 
> Sam Lambie
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] The Dream of a Unified SM

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

I forgot to include the connectorized SM options - we carry those around as 
well.  

Cambium decided about 8 months ago to get rid of the distributor/VAR model and 
make all the VAR’s distributors.   I suspect the idea was that Cambium would 
keep the profit margin they pulled from the distributors, and to force the 
VAR’s to carry a lot of inventory to temporarily push up sales numbers.   

Combine the 3 familles (FSK, 430, 450) x the 7 potential frequency bands (900, 
2.4, 3.5, 3.65, 5.2, 5.4, 5.7) x integrated/connectorized x 4 speed tiers = 168 
items to stock (and I didn’t take into account DES/AES in the earlier product 
lines).  Get rid of speed keys and that number is 42.  

Cambium wonders why there are product shortages and difficulties with 
distribution.

The next brilliant idea was to make it much easier to purchase/manage speed 
keys.  This is going to be really interesting since Cambium’s reason for 
keeping the (useless) 4Mb  SM is that they sell a lot of <$200 4Mb 450 product 
overseas, and they don’t want to give up the profit margin.  There are a couple 
of things wrong with this:  

Cambium can obviously make money on a 450 CPE at less then $200.  You wouldn’t 
justify keeping a money losing product.
North America is subsidizing the bottom line - nobody in the US is buying 4Mb 
CPE in any quantity.

As Ken pointed out a while ago - if Cambium is smart they are not going to make 
the key process less painful.  If I can stock only one part number (4Mb, 
<$200CPE), and easily move/buy keys  I’m going to quit buying 20Mb CPE and 
purchase keys only when I need them.   That will save me a lot of money.  

Make a $200 CPE without speed keys and the money you save on managing 42 part 
numbers versus 168 and the much greater market share for 450 will more than 
make up for any loss of margin.  Unfortunately Cambium can’t figure that out.

Every now and then I get a wild hare up my ass and think going back to school 
for a MBA would be a good idea, and then I look at shit like this.

Mark


> On Dec 5, 2014, at 8:18 AM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:
> 
> Cambium wants to make it more difficult than Motorola when it comes to part 
> numbers, too.  I'm told the new ptp850 had 700 part numbers to inventory.  
> That's just flat out stupid.  EPMP has some insanely stupid part number 
> problems as well.  Oh well.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Dec 5, 2014 8:14 AM, "Gino Villarini via Af"  <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
> +1000
> 
> 
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com/>
> @aeronetpr
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/5/14, 8:39 AM, "Tushar Patel via Af"  <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
> 
> >It is getting difficult to carry lot of radios on each truck.
> >
> >Regarding keys, I agree with you 100%. But cambium is not listing.
> >
> >May be we should invite one of the person who came up with idea to spend
> >1 month and let them see how cumbersome it gets managing this stupid keys.
> >
> >Tushar
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 4, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af  >> <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> That¹s one of the reasons we settled on 450.
> >>
> >> Having to carry 900FSK, 2.4FSK, 5.7FSK, 5.2FSK, 5.4FSK, 5.7 430, 2.4
> >>450, 3.65 450, 5.7 450, 2.4 ePMP, 5.7ePMP, 3.65 Wimax, NanoBridges,
> >>NanaStations, Rockets, UbiquWhatevers was getting really truly ugly.
> >>
> >> And then Cambium wants us to keep track of speed keys on radios.
> >>That¹s still completely dumb, but they are stuck on it.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >>> On Dec 4, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Nate Burke via Af  >>> <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I got spoiled.  When Cambium introduced the multiple color code
> >>>support in the SM's, I no longer had to send my installer out with 3
> >>>different radios for the different towers he might need to connect to.
> >>>It was so nice to program a radio and know that it was going to the
> >>>customer.  (because inevitably, the extra radios ended up staying in
> >>>his truck, until he would come and dump a pile of radios back in the
> >>>office).  Now I'm back to sending out 3 radios again, He might need to
> >>>connect to the tower that only had FSK, Only EPMP, or Only 450.
> >>>
> >>> If only there was a single SM that could connect to any of the AP's.
> >>>Ah well, I can dream.
> >>
> 

Re: [AFMUG] The Dream of a Unified SM

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

That’s one of the reasons we settled on 450.

Having to carry 900FSK, 2.4FSK, 5.7FSK, 5.2FSK, 5.4FSK, 5.7 430, 2.4 450, 3.65 
450, 5.7 450, 2.4 ePMP, 5.7ePMP, 3.65 Wimax, NanoBridges, NanaStations, 
Rockets, UbiquWhatevers was getting really truly ugly.  

And then Cambium wants us to keep track of speed keys on radios.   That’s still 
completely dumb, but they are stuck on it.

Mark

> On Dec 4, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Nate Burke via Af  wrote:
> 
> I got spoiled.  When Cambium introduced the multiple color code support in 
> the SM's, I no longer had to send my installer out with 3 different radios 
> for the different towers he might need to connect to.  It was so nice to 
> program a radio and know that it was going to the customer.  (because 
> inevitably, the extra radios ended up staying in his truck, until he would 
> come and dump a pile of radios back in the office).  Now I'm back to sending 
> out 3 radios again, He might need to connect to the tower that only had FSK, 
> Only EPMP, or Only 450.
> 
> If only there was a single SM that could connect to any of the AP's. Ah well, 
> I can dream.

Re: [AFMUG] favorite/decent dielectric grease?

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=383390

You can't really get too much, it just gets messy if you get carried away.

Mark
Amplex
m...@amplex.net

> On Dec 3, 2014, at 10:15 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af 
>  wrote:
> 
> After another round of going through a couple of months of customer returns, 
> and the biggest issues are corrosion related to moisture getting in the 
> connectors, I'm ready to either start shipping a little tube with dielectric 
> grease with certain products, or make larger containers available for sale, 
> or some combination thereof.
> 
> Before I select a vendor I want to make sure that there isn't a known 'best' 
> brand or even more important - some brand which causes problems.
> 
> So, for those of you who do this, please let me know what your experiences 
> are in relation to this.
> 
> In relation, what is everyone's experience as far as the correct amount goes?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> -forrest
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] N00b question

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Do you need something longer than you can get from a 900Mhz SM?We just take 
them out of dead radios.

Mark


> On Dec 3, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Timothy D. McNabb via Af  wrote:
> 
> So now that I know the cable, any recommendations for good cable builders for 
> custom lengths? Needs to be UV rated, able to withstand the elements and low 
> impedance (50ohm).
>  
> -Tim
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Timothy D. McNabb via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 4:14 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] N00b question
>  
> Thanks George!
>  
> -Tim
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 4:12 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] N00b question
>  
> MCX
> 
> On 12/3/2014 6:03 PM, Timothy D. McNabb via Af wrote:
> For the connectorized FSK AP�s, what is the bulkhead connection type 
> mounted on the AP? The opposite end is an N connector (that connects to the 
> antenna) but I don�t what the connector type is used for the board -> 
> pigtail? I think it is an SMP connector but wanted to ask to be sure.
> �
> For reference it is the same connector that attaches to the GPS module of a 
> CMM4 to the N-connector passthrough box or whatever that silver block is.
> �
> Timothy McNabb
> Network Administrator
> Velociter Wireless, Inc
> (209)838-1221 x107
> �
>  

Re: [AFMUG] 13.3 Open Beta

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

I’m going to try this out as soon as I can get a 450AP 3.65 on the site.

Question - the comment about CMM timing source.   Was this ‘it works best if 
all devices have the same timing source’ or is there something specific to the 
CMM itself?Is ask because we usually use LMG CTM’s at these sites.   The 
timing all comes from the same timing source, but it’s not your CMM.

Mark


> On Dec 3, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Rajesh Vijayakumar via Af  wrote:
> 
> We are looking specifically for beta coverage on PMP320 co-location. If 
> anyone is trying this or have specific questions, please let us know. You can 
> also contact me off-list at rajesh.vijayaku...@cambiumnetworks.com 
> .
> 
> Rajesh Vijayakumar
> Cambium Networks
> 
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Jonathan Mandziara via Af  > wrote:
> AF Community,
> 
>  
> 
> Please visit the Cambium Networks webpage to down load the Open Beta version 
> of 13.3 for PMP450 and PTP450 radios.
> 
>  
> 
> https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/beta 
> 
> https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/ptp450/beta 
> 
> PMP320 Co-location (5ms Frame support) (This will work on all bands, but 
> intended for 3.5 and 3.65 at this time.)
> 7MHz Channel Bandwidth for 3.5 and 3.65 radios
> Removal of the PTP450 Map for faster link speeds
> SNMPv3
> HTTPS
> Ability to turn off Telnet, FTP and TFTP
> Read-Only Accounts for Admin, Install, and Tech
> Sector SA
> Export of Sessions Status Page
> Config File export/Import for AP/BHM and SM/BHS
> NOTE: PMP320 co-location works best when both the PMP450 and PMP320 are on 
> CMM synch sources.  Cambium is writing a paper on how to adjust the radios to 
> best deal with other synch sources, although the radios will still work 
> together without adjustment with some impact to throughput.
> 
> We look forward to you feedback on this release either in this forum or at:
> 
> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-Beta/bd-p/forums_pmp_beta 
> 
>  
> 
> Best,
> 
> Cambium Jonathan
> 
>  
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 Gear

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Sometimes LBGT is why you should LBT  :-)

Mark


> On Dec 1, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Gino Villarini via Af  wrote:
> 
> Ohh… you had me confused there a bit between LBT and LBGT
> 
> 
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com   
> @aeronetpr
> 
> 
> 
> From: "af@afmug.com "  >
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com "  >
> Date: Monday, December 1, 2014 at 3:06 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com " mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 Gear
> 
> Listen before talk -basically DFS for the 3.65 band so that the upper 25mhz 
> is available for use.
> 
> On Monday, December 1, 2014, Gino Villarini via Af  > wrote:
>> LBT?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com    
>> @aeronetpr
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "af@afmug.com " 
>> >
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " 
>> >
>> Date: Monday, December 1, 2014 at 2:19 PM
>> To: "af@afmug.com " 
>> >
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 Gear
>> 
>> We are using 20mhz channels with ABAB.
>> 
>> However with LBT you have to offset the A1 by a cpl MHz from A2 etc.
>> 
>> Also don't worry about the band changes.  Currently this equip would be 
>> grandfathered for 5 years.
>> 
>> -Sean
>> 
>> 
>> On Monday, December 1, 2014, Matt via Af > > wrote:
>>> > Works great!
>>> 
>>> Are you using 10mhz or 20mhz channels?  We currently use 20mhz
>>> channels in ABAB format.  I worry about the future band changes and we
>>> wont be allowed to do that anymore.  Customers keep wanting more and
>>> more bandwidth.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> >> What kind of luck is everybody having with the 3.65ghz 450 gear?

Re: [AFMUG] ERPS: G.8032 vs Brocade MRP vs ?

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

It’s a tough one.  MEF/ITU/IEEE Ethernet standards do have a lot of the 
mechanisms from SONET that allows you to specify reversion time on circuits to 
limit damage from flapping.  

Performant was the only one who seems to have tried to do anything with 
automated bandwidth detection and making forwarding decisions.   Unfortunately 
it’s such a niche market that I doubt there was an economic case for it.   
Everyone else just throws fiber and bandwidth at the problem.

WISP’s have a somewhat unique problem in that it’s very easy for us to make 
mesh type backhaul networks yet difficult to logically segment the network at 
the Ethernet level.  G8032.v2 attempts to solve the issue but I don’t think 
there is a great deal of demand from the bigger carriers for the mesh design 
given that bigger carriers can just throw another fiber or wavelength at the 
problem to segregate the network.

Mark

> On Dec 1, 2014, at 11:43 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af  wrote:
> 
> I've never seen a protocol that handled flapping well :/
> 
> I really wish somebody would design a routing protocol with extensions for 
> determining bandwidth tho (sound familiar? :/ )
>  josh reynolds :: chief information officer
> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com/>On 12/01/2014 
> 07:03 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote:
>> The biggest issue we have with MSTP is the inability to deal with unstable 
>> links. �A high capacity backhaul flapping is disastrous with MSTP due to 
>> the constant bridge table flushing. �G.8032 should be able to deal with 
>> this type of failure more gracefully. �I think MPLS also has ways of 
>> dealing with it but I have not investigated that route as much of our 
>> existing equipment does not support MPLS. � We have to deploy new 
>> equipment at the tower sites so MPLS would be an option, but so far we are 
>> thinking MEF over MPLS solutions.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af >> <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This info may be a bit outdated with MSTP, I haven't looked, but it used to 
>>> be that the size of your tree should be no larger than 7 nodes.
>>> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com/>On 12/01/2014 
>>> 01:50 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
>>>> Do you really need something faster than one of the spanning tree variants?
>>>> 
>>>> The topology at Montana Internet is to have a layer 3 switch at each site 
>>>> and a big flat rapid spanning tree ring for all of the OSPF speaking layer 
>>>> 3 switches (Aka routers) to talk on. � If I yank a ring cable, I lose 
>>>> about a second on two is all.
>>>> 
>>>> -forrest
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Scott Vander Dussen via Af >>> <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>>> Looking to add Ethernet ring protection switching into our network.� 
>>>> I've attached a PDF demonstrating the topology of the test tower set.� 
>>>> I'm leaning toward a G.8032v2 implementation simply because it's ITU 
>>>> standards based and not vendor specific.� Other options include Brocade 
>>>> MRP, Moxa Turbo Chain, etc.� Any shared wisdom would be greatly 
>>>> appreciate before we get ourselves pot committed.
>>>> 
>>>> Scott
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] ERPS: G.8032 vs Brocade MRP vs ?

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Scott,

Yes - G8032v2.   

The engineering project is a task I gave to Adam Kujawski (adam...@amplex.net 
<mailto:adam...@amplex.net>), and he has been researching this for some time.   
I did cover him on this and he will probably have a better answer.  I think we 
considered Brocade but I’m not sure.  With Ciena we are to the point where we 
are asking questions that baffle the sales engineers and they have been getting 
the actual engineering team to answer some of them.  Documentation seems to be 
a bit behind.

I’m planning on having Adam go to WISPAMERICA, and possibly AF.  If there is 
sufficient interest in a talk on the subject of MEF designs I’m happy to 
volunteer Adam :-)

Lot’s of vendors seems to have proprietary solutions, and to some extent it’s 
starting to feel like the usual “pay us lots of money for design, 
implementation, and maintenance services and you don’t need no stinking 
documentation” routine.   That’s not going to fly here so it will be 
interesting to see what happens given that I have no interest in that type of 
vendor lock-in.  

Mark

> On Dec 1, 2014, at 11:19 AM, Scott Vander Dussen via Af  wrote:
> 
> Mark-
> Why Ciena > Brocade?  And generally speaking, when Ciena is referring to 
> G.8032 is that assumed it's the second revision?  Their chalk talk video is 
> clearly referencing features unique to v2, but the documentation only 
> identifies simply "G.8032".
> 
> Scott
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh via Af
> Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 05:52
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ERPS: G.8032 vs Brocade MRP vs ?
> 
> We are evaluating vendors for this at the moment.  Ciena is looking like the 
> winner at the moment, with G.8032 as the loop control topology.
> 
> So far we have rejected Cisco, Juniper, Performant, Accedian, and Extreme as 
> vendors.
> 
> To answer Forrest’s question - yes, we do need faster recovery than we can 
> get from MSTP, OSPF, MPLS.   While those protocols have worked well, they 
> don’t have the recovery time we want.  
> 
> Other things we are looking for beyond quick recovery time:
> 
> Carrier Ethernet Services (Metro Ethernet Forum) Ethernet OAM Performance 
> Monitoring (Y.1731)
> 
> I want to be able to offer carrier type services (NNI, E-Line, E-LAN, E-Tree, 
> E-Access) to other companies over our wireless and fiber network.  If you 
> want to sell services to cell companies they are requiring Y.1731 
> (Performance Monitoring) at the handoff. 
> 
> We already have pieces of this in place over the wireless network using 
> Q-in-Q, but want to extend this further.  We currently have one other ISP set 
> up selling services over our wireless network with transparent (to the 
> customer) Ethernet delivery back to the providers network.   It’s pretty cool 
> in that they can install customers anywhere on our Canopy network and deliver 
> the Ethernet traffic back to their network.  We don’t care what VLAN, IP 
> Addressing, DHCP, or Authentication scheme they are using - it’s just 
> Ethernet.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2014, at 1:11 AM, Scott Vander Dussen via Af  wrote:
>> 
>> Looking to add Ethernet ring protection switching into our network.  I've 
>> attached a PDF demonstrating the topology of the test tower set.  I'm 
>> leaning toward a G.8032v2 implementation simply because it's ITU standards 
>> based and not vendor specific.  Other options include Brocade MRP, Moxa 
>> Turbo Chain, etc.  Any shared wisdom would be greatly appreciate before we 
>> get ourselves pot committed.
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] SAF Hybrid interface question

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

AFAIK yes.   You may need to change the internal switch configuration to get it 
to do so.

Mark


> On Dec 1, 2014, at 11:07 AM, Paul McCall via Af  wrote:
> 
> We have an SAF Lumina with the Hybrid Interface on it.  Optical and 
> Electrcial.  Our fiber going to the radio got eaten by a big bird.  Not THE 
> Big Bird, but A big bird J
>  
> Anyway, can we actually use the EL (copper) interface to pass data?  I have 
> emailed SAF this AM and not gotten an answer yet
>  
> Paul
>  
> Paul McCall, Pres.
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband 
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800 office
> 772-473-0352 cell
> www.pdmnet.com 
> pa...@pdmnet.net 

Re: [AFMUG] ERPS: G.8032 vs Brocade MRP vs ?

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

The biggest issue we have with MSTP is the inability to deal with unstable 
links.  A high capacity backhaul flapping is disastrous with MSTP due to the 
constant bridge table flushing.  G.8032 should be able to deal with this type 
of failure more gracefully.  I think MPLS also has ways of dealing with it but 
I have not investigated that route as much of our existing equipment does not 
support MPLS.   We have to deploy new equipment at the tower sites so MPLS 
would be an option, but so far we are thinking MEF over MPLS solutions.

Mark


> On Dec 1, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af  wrote:
> 
> This info may be a bit outdated with MSTP, I haven't looked, but it used to 
> be that the size of your tree should be no larger than 7 nodes.
> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/01/2014 
> 01:50 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
>> Do you really need something faster than one of the spanning tree variants?
>> 
>> The topology at Montana Internet is to have a layer 3 switch at each site 
>> and a big flat rapid spanning tree ring for all of the OSPF speaking layer 3 
>> switches (Aka routers) to talk on.   If I yank a ring cable, I lose about a 
>> second on two is all.
>> 
>> -forrest
>> 
>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Scott Vander Dussen via Af > > wrote:
>> Looking to add Ethernet ring protection switching into our network.  I've 
>> attached a PDF demonstrating the topology of the test tower set.  I'm 
>> leaning toward a G.8032v2 implementation simply because it's ITU standards 
>> based and not vendor specific.  Other options include Brocade MRP, Moxa 
>> Turbo Chain, etc.  Any shared wisdom would be greatly appreciate before we 
>> get ourselves pot committed.
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] ERPS: G.8032 vs Brocade MRP vs ?

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

We are evaluating vendors for this at the moment.  Ciena is looking like the 
winner at the moment, with G.8032 as the loop control topology.

So far we have rejected Cisco, Juniper, Performant, Accedian, and Extreme as 
vendors.

To answer Forrest’s question - yes, we do need faster recovery than we can get 
from MSTP, OSPF, MPLS.   While those protocols have worked well, they don’t 
have the recovery time we want.  

Other things we are looking for beyond quick recovery time:

Carrier Ethernet Services (Metro Ethernet Forum) 
Ethernet OAM
Performance Monitoring (Y.1731)

I want to be able to offer carrier type services (NNI, E-Line, E-LAN, E-Tree, 
E-Access) to other companies over our wireless and fiber network.  If you want 
to sell services to cell companies they are requiring Y.1731 (Performance 
Monitoring) at the handoff. 

We already have pieces of this in place over the wireless network using Q-in-Q, 
but want to extend this further.  We currently have one other ISP set up 
selling services over our wireless network with transparent (to the customer) 
Ethernet delivery back to the providers network.   It’s pretty cool in that 
they can install customers anywhere on our Canopy network and deliver the 
Ethernet traffic back to their network.  We don’t care what VLAN, IP 
Addressing, DHCP, or Authentication scheme they are using - it’s just Ethernet.

Mark




> On Dec 1, 2014, at 1:11 AM, Scott Vander Dussen via Af  wrote:
> 
> Looking to add Ethernet ring protection switching into our network.  I've 
> attached a PDF demonstrating the topology of the test tower set.  I'm leaning 
> toward a G.8032v2 implementation simply because it's ITU standards based and 
> not vendor specific.  Other options include Brocade MRP, Moxa Turbo Chain, 
> etc.  Any shared wisdom would be greatly appreciate before we get ourselves 
> pot committed.
> 
> Scott
> 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and/or Gig SyncInjector problems

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Yep - same address.

Amplex
27800 Lemoyne, Ste F
Millbury, OH 43447

I found a SyncPipe Basic still in the shrink wrap.  On it’s way.

   1Z59YW640393806068

Mark


> On Nov 29, 2014, at 8:52 PM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:
> 
> Nah I was going to pay for overnight, this saves me a ton.  Much appreciated 
> man.
> 
> Does yours go to your signature address?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Nov 29, 2014 7:58 PM, "Mark Radabaugh via Af"  <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
> No problem - I have lots of those.   If you need it before Tuesday let me 
> know.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
>> On Nov 29, 2014, at 7:27 PM, Josh Luthman via Af > <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I think just a syncpipe basic.  It's just going to two syncinjectors.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> On Nov 29, 2014 7:10 PM, "Mark Radabaugh via Af" > <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>> Josh,
>> 
>> Sure - let me know which one you need.   I didn’t follow all of this thread. 
>>  
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 29, 2014, at 5:11 PM, Josh Luthman via Af >> <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Would you mind shipping it to me?
>>> 
>>> I can order one from Packetflux Monday and deliver it to your address?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af >> <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>> I have a bunch of them in the shop if you need one.
>>> 
>>> Mark Radabaugh
>>> Amplex
>>> 27800 Lemoyne, Ste F
>>> Millbury, OH 43447
>>> 419-261-5996 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 29, 2014, at 4:55 PM, Josh Luthman via Af >> <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> So I just got back...fuse popped on that SyncInjector.  Not sure why.  
>>>> There was a Ubnt Beam on it - the cable was moved to the POE injector and 
>>>> fuse replaced.  SyncInjector is working as expected right now.
>>>> 
>>>> Sure hoping Forrest can do next day shipping on Monday =)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af 
>>>> mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>>> See http://tickets.packetflux.com/kb/faq.php?id=2 
>>>> <http://tickets.packetflux.com/kb/faq.php?id=2>
>>>> 
>>>> 6 blinks = power missing/too low.   
>>>> 
>>>> And yes, you need a syncpipe.
>>>> 
>>>> -forrest
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Josh Luthman via Af >>> <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>>> Here's a video, not sure what the blinking means?
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dME8A-H_590 
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dME8A-H_590>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Josh Luthman via Af >>> <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>>> *rb2011 with ports 2/3/4/5 set to hardware switch (ether2 master, 3/4/5 
>>>> slave).  Ports 6/7/8/9 are hardware switch (ether6 master, 7/8/9 slave).
>>>> *From the rb2011 it goes to the Ethernet half of the SyncInjector.
>>>> *From the POE half of the SyncInjector it goes to WB gigeapc HV surge 
>>>> suppressors and then to the ePMP radios.
>>>> 
>>>> Two of the ePMP radios are powered up and running gige.  Neither are 
>>>> receiving CMM sync (top of the ePMP says "Not receiving GPS sync").  The 
>>>> remaining 6 APs aren't even powering up/linking up.  Any ideas before I 
>>>> start swapping parts?  Is it OK to have the surge between SyncInjectors 
>>>> and ePMP?
>>>> 
>>>> On top of all of this the SiteMonitor isn't talking to the POE injector or 
>>>> the two Gig SyncInjectors.  I have them all daisy chained and verified 
>>>> they're snapped in place.  The POE injector is powering Ubnt radios just 
>>>> fine.
>>>> 
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and/or Gig SyncInjector problems

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

No problem - I have lots of those.   If you need it before Tuesday let me know.

Mark


> On Nov 29, 2014, at 7:27 PM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:
> 
> I think just a syncpipe basic.  It's just going to two syncinjectors.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Nov 29, 2014 7:10 PM, "Mark Radabaugh via Af"  <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
> Josh,
> 
> Sure - let me know which one you need.   I didn’t follow all of this thread.  
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
>> On Nov 29, 2014, at 5:11 PM, Josh Luthman via Af > <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Would you mind shipping it to me?
>> 
>> I can order one from Packetflux Monday and deliver it to your address?
>> 
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af > <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>> I have a bunch of them in the shop if you need one.
>> 
>> Mark Radabaugh
>> Amplex
>> 27800 Lemoyne, Ste F
>> Millbury, OH 43447
>> 419-261-5996 
>> 
>> On Nov 29, 2014, at 4:55 PM, Josh Luthman via Af > <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> So I just got back...fuse popped on that SyncInjector.  Not sure why.  
>>> There was a Ubnt Beam on it - the cable was moved to the POE injector and 
>>> fuse replaced.  SyncInjector is working as expected right now.
>>> 
>>> Sure hoping Forrest can do next day shipping on Monday =)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af 
>>> mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>> See http://tickets.packetflux.com/kb/faq.php?id=2 
>>> <http://tickets.packetflux.com/kb/faq.php?id=2>
>>> 
>>> 6 blinks = power missing/too low.   
>>> 
>>> And yes, you need a syncpipe.
>>> 
>>> -forrest
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Josh Luthman via Af >> <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>> Here's a video, not sure what the blinking means?
>>> 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dME8A-H_590 
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dME8A-H_590>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Josh Luthman via Af >> <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>> *rb2011 with ports 2/3/4/5 set to hardware switch (ether2 master, 3/4/5 
>>> slave).  Ports 6/7/8/9 are hardware switch (ether6 master, 7/8/9 slave).
>>> *From the rb2011 it goes to the Ethernet half of the SyncInjector.
>>> *From the POE half of the SyncInjector it goes to WB gigeapc HV surge 
>>> suppressors and then to the ePMP radios.
>>> 
>>> Two of the ePMP radios are powered up and running gige.  Neither are 
>>> receiving CMM sync (top of the ePMP says "Not receiving GPS sync").  The 
>>> remaining 6 APs aren't even powering up/linking up.  Any ideas before I 
>>> start swapping parts?  Is it OK to have the surge between SyncInjectors and 
>>> ePMP?
>>> 
>>> On top of all of this the SiteMonitor isn't talking to the POE injector or 
>>> the two Gig SyncInjectors.  I have them all daisy chained and verified 
>>> they're snapped in place.  The POE injector is powering Ubnt radios just 
>>> fine.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and/or Gig SyncInjector problems

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Josh,

Sure - let me know which one you need.   I didn’t follow all of this thread.  

Mark


> On Nov 29, 2014, at 5:11 PM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:
> 
> Would you mind shipping it to me?
> 
> I can order one from Packetflux Monday and deliver it to your address?
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af  <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
> I have a bunch of them in the shop if you need one.
> 
> Mark Radabaugh
> Amplex
> 27800 Lemoyne, Ste F
> Millbury, OH 43447
> 419-261-5996 
> 
> On Nov 29, 2014, at 4:55 PM, Josh Luthman via Af  <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
> 
>> So I just got back...fuse popped on that SyncInjector.  Not sure why.  There 
>> was a Ubnt Beam on it - the cable was moved to the POE injector and fuse 
>> replaced.  SyncInjector is working as expected right now.
>> 
>> Sure hoping Forrest can do next day shipping on Monday =)
>> 
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af 
>> mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>> See http://tickets.packetflux.com/kb/faq.php?id=2 
>> <http://tickets.packetflux.com/kb/faq.php?id=2>
>> 
>> 6 blinks = power missing/too low.   
>> 
>> And yes, you need a syncpipe.
>> 
>> -forrest
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Josh Luthman via Af > <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>> Here's a video, not sure what the blinking means?
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dME8A-H_590 
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dME8A-H_590>
>> 
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Josh Luthman via Af > <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>> *rb2011 with ports 2/3/4/5 set to hardware switch (ether2 master, 3/4/5 
>> slave).  Ports 6/7/8/9 are hardware switch (ether6 master, 7/8/9 slave).
>> *From the rb2011 it goes to the Ethernet half of the SyncInjector.
>> *From the POE half of the SyncInjector it goes to WB gigeapc HV surge 
>> suppressors and then to the ePMP radios.
>> 
>> Two of the ePMP radios are powered up and running gige.  Neither are 
>> receiving CMM sync (top of the ePMP says "Not receiving GPS sync").  The 
>> remaining 6 APs aren't even powering up/linking up.  Any ideas before I 
>> start swapping parts?  Is it OK to have the surge between SyncInjectors and 
>> ePMP?
>> 
>> On top of all of this the SiteMonitor isn't talking to the POE injector or 
>> the two Gig SyncInjectors.  I have them all daisy chained and verified 
>> they're snapped in place.  The POE injector is powering Ubnt radios just 
>> fine.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and/or Gig SyncInjector problems

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

I have a bunch of them in the shop if you need one.

Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
27800 Lemoyne, Ste F
Millbury, OH 43447
419-261-5996

> On Nov 29, 2014, at 4:55 PM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:
> 
> So I just got back...fuse popped on that SyncInjector.  Not sure why.  There 
> was a Ubnt Beam on it - the cable was moved to the POE injector and fuse 
> replaced.  SyncInjector is working as expected right now.
> 
> Sure hoping Forrest can do next day shipping on Monday =)
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af 
>>  wrote:
>> See http://tickets.packetflux.com/kb/faq.php?id=2
>> 
>> 6 blinks = power missing/too low.   
>> 
>> And yes, you need a syncpipe.
>> 
>> -forrest
>> 
>>> On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:
>>> Here's a video, not sure what the blinking means?
>>> 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dME8A-H_590
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
 On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:
>>> 
 *rb2011 with ports 2/3/4/5 set to hardware switch (ether2 master, 3/4/5 
 slave).  Ports 6/7/8/9 are hardware switch (ether6 master, 7/8/9 slave).
 *From the rb2011 it goes to the Ethernet half of the SyncInjector.
 *From the POE half of the SyncInjector it goes to WB gigeapc HV surge 
 suppressors and then to the ePMP radios.
 
 Two of the ePMP radios are powered up and running gige.  Neither are 
 receiving CMM sync (top of the ePMP says "Not receiving GPS sync").  The 
 remaining 6 APs aren't even powering up/linking up.  Any ideas before I 
 start swapping parts?  Is it OK to have the surge between SyncInjectors 
 and ePMP?
 
 On top of all of this the SiteMonitor isn't talking to the POE injector or 
 the two Gig SyncInjectors.  I have them all daisy chained and verified 
 they're snapped in place.  The POE injector is powering Ubnt radios just 
 fine.
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 13.2 issues

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Tim,

The update issue to 13.2 from 13.1.3 was addressed in the release notes.  The 
recommended deployment method is to upgrade SM’s to 13.2 first followed by the 
AP.   This prevents the 8X/1X issue.  

I believe the lower modulation rate is due to the new version being less 
aggressive in moving to the higher modulation rates.  I believe it prefers 
lower bit error rates over higher modulation.   I don’t really consider that a 
defect.

We have not see the DNS issue.  We run NAT with the DNS servers manually 
specified in the SM’s. 

Mark


> On Nov 26, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Timothy D. McNabb via Af  wrote:
> 
> We’ve seen a few issues with the new 13.2 firmware for the 5.4/5.7 450 
> equipment. Here is the bucket list – 
>  
> · If an AP is on 13.2, but an SM is on 13.1.3, there is the 
> possibility that the SM cannot update because it is stuck in 8x/1x mode and 
> throughput is significantly decreased. Manually going to the customer site 
> and updating can bring the radio back up
> · In some cases, SM’s after the update come back online with a better 
> signal but a decreased throughput and modulation rate than what was 
> previously viewed on 13.1.3
> · Behind a NAT’d SM, it does not appear that DNS is being properly 
> passed by the SM to a customer’s router. Manually setting the customers 
> router to our DNS servers (instead of relying on the NAT’d IP address) 
> appears to resolve the issue. Manually setting the DNS IP address to the 
> NAT’d SM’s IP does not resolve the issue.
>  
> We have since rolled back from 13.2 to 13.1.3 which was stable with our 
> particular network configuration. I have no intention of rolling forward to 
> 13.2 again for Cambium testing purposes (sorry guys) however I would be able 
> to answer any specific details to our configuration if it is helpful.
>  
> Timothy McNabb
> Network Administrator
> Velociter Wireless, Inc
> (209)838-1221 x107

Re: [AFMUG] Local Packet Filtering feature on Cambium PTP´s

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Use it to block Windows networking ports so the neighbors don’t see the other 
neighbors, and to help keep those computers from being compromised.

Block port 25 TCP outbound to stop the customers with an infected computer from 
spewing spam (usually on a as-needed basis for us - minimize the damage without 
cutting them off completely while we contact them to get the computer fixed).  

Whatever other needs you might have.

Mark


> On Nov 24, 2014, at 1:13 AM, Daniel Gerlach via Af  wrote:
> 
> Who use it? And Why?

Re: [AFMUG] v13.2 - ptp230

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

About that forum….   not my thing, sorry.

I sent packet captures to Aaron that should show what makes it go boom.

My guess is IGMPv2, possibly with VLAN tags.

Mark


> On Nov 19, 2014, at 12:01 PM, Matt Mangriotis via Af  wrote:
> 
> As Jonathan noted, we’ve gotten several reports of this nature, and are 
> discussing it in this thread.
>  
> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/Other-PTP-Solutions/PTP230-v13-2-100-cpu/m-p/36679#U36679
>  
> 
>  
> Thanks,
> Matt
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Ryan Mano via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 10:49 AM
> To: 'af@afmug.com '
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] v13.2 - ptp230
>  
> Yep loaded back 11.2 and now am able to ping the master and port is not 
> flapping anymore….guess am going to have to make the same changes to the slave
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Craig Schmaderer via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 10:54 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] v13.2 - ptp230
>  
> Oh side note, all the 230ptp we have are the 5.4ghz flavor, links range from 
> a few miles to 10 miles, we have tested and seen this behavior on all 
> different lengths and different links.  We tested like 3 links one night with 
> guys on both ends to make sure we saw the same behavior, all links fail to 
> register, you normal get some registration range error.  I have tested like 3 
> or 4 different version past 11.2, I gaveup about 6 months ago on this, and we 
> are jest sticking to 11.2, all new links are 450ptp or licensed.
>  
> Craig R. Schmaderer
> CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
> Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
> Direct: 402-372-1052
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Craig Schmaderer via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:50 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] v13.2 - ptp230
>  
> Sounds like whatever you do don’t upgrade, just a side note, we run all of 
> our 230ptp on 11.2.   That is the last stable firmware that I have seen for 
> this product.  I have worked with cambium on the no registration problem and 
> gotten no where, its like they gave up on this product.   Everything I have 
> tested since 11.2 has registration problems, either they won’t link or they 
> take 10, 20 or whatever they feel like minutes to link.  So we just stay on 
> 11.2.  I have never seen any issues for us on 11.2.  YMMV
>  
> Craig R. Schmaderer
> CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
> Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
> Direct: 402-372-1052
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Ryan Mano via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:37 AM
> To: 'af@afmug.com '
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] v13.2 - ptp230
>  
> Looks like my port is flapping on my switch
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Ryan Mano via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 10:32 AM
> To: 'af@afmug.com '
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] v13.2 - ptp230
>  
> Just tried it on ptp 230 5.7Ghz and both sides never came back up…updated the 
> slave side first never registered back so I upgraded the master side can’t 
> even ping that anymore
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Mathieu via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 10:16 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] v13.2 - ptp230
>  
> Hi,
> 
> Has anyone tried v13.2 on a ptp230 5.4GHz link ? 
> 
> This link goes down regularly since the upgrade, and I'm seeing events like 
> this :
> 
> 
> CPU Utilization (Cur/Max): (100%/100%)
> Total Time : 1975809 us
> 
> TASK TASK % RT Tot TASK Tot S T A C K Task PC
> NAME PRI RT MAX Cyc Preempt CtxSw (Sz/Cur%/Max%)OV Status Addr
> -
> SYNC 4 ( 0%) 834 6725 0 9 (12284/ 2%/30%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x67ed4
> WDOG 5 ( 0%) 51 243 0 6 (12284/ 2%/ 8%) Ready 0xa29b1c
> LEDT 6 ( 0%) 72 347 0 6 (12284/ 2%/ 9%) Ready 0x67ed4
> DIAG 10 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/10%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x67ed4
> APMT 11 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/ 9%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x67ed4
> trap 14 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/32%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x67ed4
> SESS 15 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/47%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x67ed4
> SOCK 16 ( 0%) 235 757 4 8 (12284/ 6%/26%) Suspend 0x67ed4
> COMM 17 ( 0%) 67 67 0 1 (12284/ 2%/29%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x67ed4
> VLAN 20 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/10%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x11
> APPT 22 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/ 9%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x67ed4
> ctic 23 ( 0%) 534 3666 8 28 (12284/ 2%/ 9%) Ready 0x67ed4
> Inet 24 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/24%) Suspend 0x67ed4
> BDMT 27 ( 0%) 51 96 0 2 (12284/ 2%/ 9%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x67ed4
> BDQT 28 ( 0%) 474 2

Re: [AFMUG] How common are crc errors on pmp100

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Are you using Sync over Power on this AP? 

There is a known problem with the way that the sync over power works.   It 
occurs when the cables to the AP are run parallel and tight to steel.  If you 
tape the cables directly to the tower leg, you will almost always have a 
problem with CRC errors. 

The power supply wiring for the 430 product fixed the issue, but they went back 
to the original wiring in the 450.

A couple of ways to fix the issue:

a) Isolate the cables from the steel using standoffs.
b) Swap one wire each on the blue and brown pairs - Last Mile Gear had a note 
on the alternative wiring method at one time.  I’m not crazy about it since it 
makes for a odd looking connector and the next guy who has to work on it is 
likely to cut it off and put it on ‘right’.  The cable will also fail on any 
Ethernet tester, making it difficult to convince anyone that the cable is 
correct.
c) Turn off Sync over Power and use an alternative sync method - iGPS, Syncpipe 
Parasitic, etc.

Mark



> On Nov 20, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Bill Prince via Af  wrote:
> 
> We don't often see CRC errors on any of our APs, FSK, OFDM, or MIMO.
> 
> If you're in lightning territory, check to see if these are coincident with 
> lightning strikes.
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 11/20/2014 9:24 AM, Craig Schmaderer via Af wrote:
>> This is a radio that has been up for 93 days, it is very heavy on traffic, 
>> would you say there is an issue with this radio?   It is on a clean tower 
>> that only I am on.  There are 4 other canopy radios on this tower receiving 
>> sync from a CTM1.  All radios are just CAT5e cable non shielded, length is 
>> about 180’ tops.  Also there is a PTP800 with lmr 400 ran along with it, I 
>> never noticed this before, all other radios are showing about the same 
>> number of CRC errors, is this expectable?  
>>  
>>  
>> Ethernet Link Detected :
>> 1
>> Ethernet Link Lost :
>> 0
>> Undersized Toss Count :
>> 0
>> inoctets Count :
>> 4054728244
>> inucastpkts Count :
>> 1954469296
>> Innucastpkts Count :
>> 56834740
>> indiscards Count :
>> 0
>> inerrors Count :
>> 231695
>> inunknownprotos Count :
>> 0
>> outoctets Count :
>> 3150773755
>> outucastpktsCount :
>> 1289988260
>> outnucastpkts Count :
>> 1597027
>> outdiscards Count :
>> 0
>> outerrors Count :
>> 0
>> RxBabErr :
>> 0
>> TxHbErr :
>> 0
>> EthBusErr :
>> 0
>> CRCError :
>> 231601
>> RcvFifoNoBuf :
>> 94
>> RxOverrun :
>> 0
>> LateCollision :
>> 0
>> RetransLimitExp :
>> 0
>> TxUnderrun :
>> 0
>> CarSenseLost :
>> 0
>> No Carrier :
>> 0
>>  
>> Craig R. Schmaderer
>> CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
>> Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
>> Direct: 402-372-1052
>>  
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Need some WAN topology/protocol advice

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Sterling,

We have several upstream providers, located at different physical locations.

We use layer 2 protocols to control the ring/path topology across the 
network, and OSPF to manage internal routing.  The BGP speaking routers 
talk iBGP internally, and BGP externally.   When we are not positive we 
can keep the BGP routers 'seeing' each other on our network we have 
created GRE tunnels between the routers through our external 
providers.   The GRE tunnels are certainly not ideal but they are better 
then having a network 'split' where two or more BGP routers are 
announcing your aggregate space but are not talking to each other - that 
makes a giant hash of things.


On iBGP the size of the blocks is irrelevant - you can make them as 
small as you want.  Externally you are likely limited to a /24 though 
there is no guarantee that other providers are going to accept the 
/24.   Some providers, in an attempt to limit the number of routes they 
are seeing are filtering on /23, /22, etc. Others are accepting /24 in 
areas that traditionally had /24 allocations (the 'swamp' space) while 
only accepting larger blocks in other address ranges.


My recommendation is use a interior gateway protocol (ISIS, OSPF) that 
you are comfortable with internally.  Use some type of tunneling if need 
be to make sure your external gateways can always talk to each other, 
and run BGP externally.


Mark

On 11/19/14, 5:04 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote:

I know a lot of us here span networks across large areas and have multiple 
providers.

I want my IP address space to be redundant and I guess I can either make sure I 
have a ring with OSPF/ static routes, or I can BGP.

Since I sell to other providers that would like BGP and I would like to 
preserve my routing by /24 classes via BGP.
Maybe I should just use BGP at each site/area?

That would restrict me to keeping the sites at /24 class size or larger though, 
since external BGP doesn't like anything smaller.

I think that's ok, but it does lend itself to waste if I come short of using 
the 254 IP's or I just break the barrier into another /24 for the site.

But I can't think of any way around it without relying on infrastructure to 
ring me back to a central BGP point or two, using OSPF inside.

What do you guys do?




--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] PTP230 and 13.2

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

On 11/18/14, 1:21 PM, Matt via Af wrote:

Dump files sent to you already.   May potentially be hardware issues or
something unique to our network.   I did try plugging it into the network at
the office and it does not reboot.   I'll try it, and possibly another unit
upgraded to 13.2, at a noisier spot on the network and see what happens.

Have you tried another one yet?
Yep - does the same thing when seeing the overall L2 network, reboots a 
couple of seconds after the Ethernet link goes active.


It does not do it on a smaller segment of our network, so it's likely a 
specific packet type, the quantity or type of vlans, or the number of 
MAC addresses.  When I get a chance I'll grab a pcap of the traffic that 
makes it reboot and send it to Cambium (probably tomorrow).


Mark

--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] PTP230 and 13.2

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Jon,

Dump files sent to you already.   May potentially be hardware issues or 
something unique to our network.   I did try plugging it into the 
network at the office and it does not reboot.   I'll try it, and 
possibly another unit upgraded to 13.2, at a noisier spot on the network 
and see what happens.


Mark


On 11/14/14, 2:07 PM, Jonathan Mandziara via Af wrote:


Mark,

Contact me off list.  Let’s see if we can get to the bottom of this.

Best,

Jonathan

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh 
via Af

*Sent:* Friday, November 14, 2014 11:44 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTP230 and 13.2

Endless reboot on the one I tried this morning.   Probably want to 
wait a little bit on that.


Mark

/Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/



Matt via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

Has anyone updated any longer PTP230 links from 13.1.3 to 13.2?  Results?




--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] PTP230 and 13.2

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Endless reboot on the one I tried this morning.   Probably want to wait a 
little bit on that.

Mark

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

Matt via Af  wrote:

>Has anyone updated any longer PTP230 links from 13.1.3 to 13.2?  Results?

Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.2 is Official

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Read it backward.   It's 134 RcvFifoNoBuf errors in 5 hours - which is 
what happens when the RF out overloads and starts dropping at the 
Ethernet side.


Mark

On 11/13/14, 6:40 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:

Isn't that RX errors?


Josh Luthman


--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.2 is Official

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

We changed out a 430 5.7 90 degree sector AP this morning for a 450 5.7 
90 sector this morning with 13.2 running on the 74 430 SM's on the 
sector.   With 74 SM's on a 430 you can probably guess why we changed it :-)


ALL 430 SM's came back online cleanly, with very minimal downtime for 
the customers.  SM signal strengths look unchanged across the board.


We did swap 5 of the highest usage customers to 450 SM's after the AP swap.

I would not have expected as big of a difference in peak bandwidth usage 
without swapping significantly more customers to 450 SM's than we did but:




It looks like peak bandwidth went from just over 30Mb to just over 
40Mbps already.The TX errors are overrun which we start seeing as 
the AP nears or reaches capacity.  I expect that to go away as we swap 
out more SM's.


In any case it appears it's very safe to change out a 430AP for a 450.   
We have done this swap several times before with prior software versions 
and have usually had to visit a handful of customers to get them back 
online.   This time we planned a little better (making sure 450 
compatibility was enabled on all of the SM's), all units had 13.2 on 
them, and that the antenna was aimed with the same angle and downtilt.   
I believe the new software made this a smoother process.


Thanks Cambium!

Mark



--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] Company Facebook Page

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

https://www.facebook.com/amplexinternet

Mark

On 11/13/14, 4:19 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:


Anybody have a company Facebook page that they are particularly proud 
of?  Looking for some creative ideas (posts) to use on ours


Paul

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com 

pa...@pdmnet.net 




--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.2 is Official

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

George,

We ran the beta through most of it's revisions.  I believe it was always 
safe to have a 13.2 beta CPE registering to the AP.


There were several times we pulled all the CPE back to the shop to get 
them on current software.   Our process is supposed to insure any SM's 
in the trucks are logged back in at night and flagged if they need 
defaulted, updated, etc.


We found one guy hording about 30 SM's scattered around the truck, many 
of them with antique software.   Arg.


Mark



On 11/13/14, 2:15 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote:
I had a tech trying to install an SM that was old stock in the truck 
with 12.2.2. He was trying to register and align with an AP running 
build 35. I'd try to proxy into it to set the color code (from ICC) 
and it would go idle. Power level was OK, about -72. Then about two 
minutes later a couple other SMs would go idle. Tried again and again, 
more SMs would go idle. Couldn't even get it to auto-update. Luckily 
it was his house, so I had him bring the SM back, upgraded it to build 
35, he re-installed, worked fine.


So now I gotta update the whole 450 network. Then gather all of the 
radios from the trucks and all SMs in stock and update them. It sucks, 
but I don't care because 13.2 is freakin awesome.


On 11/13/2014 12:46 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af wrote:


Thank you very much for all of you that helped with Open Beta. It was 
a very long release, but there were lots of things found and fixed as 
a result of having you helping us with access to your systems.


I’d like to highlight here, for those of you that don’t read the 
release notes, due to the MIMO-A changes and isolated issues seen 
during the upgrade procedure at some customers sites, we are 
recommending an SM-first upgrade when going to 13.2.  Most customers 
were able to do the normal AP-first upgrade without issues.  But 
there were some changes in the Air Interface PHY that could 
potentially cause SMs to have a hard time registering when you have 
mixed versions between 13.2 and earlier (13.1.3).   Even doing an 
SM-first (reverse) upgrade, most, if not all, of the SMs should come 
back in session, so it isn’t a downtime upgrade (where the SMs don’t 
register until the AP is upgraded).


There is more information in the release notes as well as 
instructions on how to do this type of upgrade as well as help to 
switch procedures if you have already started a normal upgrade and 
have SMs having trouble registering.


We saw no issues with registration (we actually saw improvements due 
to MIMO-A control messages) in SM registration once the sector was 
fully on 13.2.  This last problem is a big part of the final 2-3 week 
delay.   Also we were able to fully fix the 13.2 Open Beta nagging 
Ethernet lockup detection problem.


Please enjoy 13.2, it has been a long time in the making!

For the questions about 13.2 being for PMP100, the answer is no.  And 
I can’t comment quite yet on any possible upcoming releases for the 
PMP100.


Regards,

-Aaron

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt 
Mangriotis via Af

*Sent:* Thursday, November 13, 2014 7:13 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] System Release 13.2 is Official

It is here!

We released 13.2 this morning officially.  Come to our forum to 
discuss anything about it.


http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/System-Release-13-2-Now-Avaialable/m-p/36254/thread-id/278

Download the software from the usual place on our support site:

https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/

*Thanks*to all of you that Beta tested this software with us, and 
helped to make it stronger and better than ever. Now that this is 
here, we’re hard at work on delivering the next round of enhancements 
(code name 13.3 (pretty original, huh?)) which are right around the 
corner.


The momentum is building on the PMP 450 platform.

Thanks again,

Matt






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Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Written Safety Plan for WISPs

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

http://www.wirelessestimator.com/emergency/

Fill out the form online, print it, and take it with you.   Meets all of 
the OSHA requirements and it's easy.


Mark

On 11/12/14, 8:42 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc via Af 
wrote:


Dan,

We don’t have a project manager or foreman either.

Yes, you are correct most guys SHOULD know the area.  However, I 
quickly came to learn that most guys DON’T.


For example,  can most guys give the actual address to a tower or 
grain leg?  I found out that NO they cannot.


Hell, I am a WISP owner and can’t.

Several years ago, I created a document that is transported in the 
service trucks.  It contains the names of each tower, address, GPS 
data, equipment on tower, height and local hospital name, address and 
phone number.  In the event of an accident, this data can be quickly 
referenced.  We do have ‘safety meeting’ sheets that list person in 
charge, weather, safety concerns in area and on tower. We also have a 
signature sheet for each person on site to acknowledge the meeting 
took place and they are aware of document to reference in the event of 
an emergency.  (I can admit this sheet is rarely used unless we bring 
a third party in to help…at which point I require it to protect myself)


In terms of towers, again you are correct.  Tower certification is a 
big PROBLEM in our industry.  I had a sales representative from Crown 
tell me our industry lacked safety requirements and  installation 
standards. I couldn’t really argue that point given what I have seen.


*Tyson Burris, President**
**Internet Communications Inc.**
**739 Commerce Dr.**
**Franklin, IN 46131**
***
*317-738-0320 Daytime #*
*317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #*
*Online: **www.surfici.net*

ICI

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- IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.*

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*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Daniel White via Af
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 11, 2014 10:27 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Written Safety Plan for WISPs

Tyson,

Playing Devil’s advocate here.

What do you discuss during the pre-climb safety meeting?

It’s your network – and the average WISP network is regional (usually 
contained to one state).  The guys you’re climbing with know where the 
closest hospitals are, what the capabilities of the local fire 
department is, what local fauna and flora to look out for, etc. etc.  
I guess its good prep to make sure that someone knows what the weather 
looks like today, and for the project manager (not that the average 
WISP seems to have a crew foreman on most climbs) to give out the 
tasks for the day.


I never did one in my WISP days – because by the time we had rolled up 
to the site we all knew what to do to hit the ground running.  On the 
cellular side, when you might visit a site once in your career at a 
company I see lots of value of the pre-climb meeting.


Of course I didn’t get tower climbing certified until after I was done 
with my WISP days… which I hate to say is a problem for the industry 
in general.  What you don’t know can certainly kill you in this line 
of work.


In my integration days… was a whole different story.  I’ve seen many 
integrators do them… but they are very uncommon in the WISP industry 
from my personal experience.


I’d bet a group like Safety One could point you in the right direction 
to making an OSHA compliant plan for your WISP.


Daniel White

(303) 746-3590

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Tyson Burris @ 
Internet Comm. Inc via Af

*Sent:* Tuesday, November 11, 2014 6:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Written Safety Plan for WISPs

For WISPs, you need to focus on the OSHA content related to 
construction. I require OHSA 10, at a minimum,  for all employees now, 
including CPR CERT.  Everyone in our industry should be doing a pre 
climb safety meeting as well but I have yet to see ANYONE do it.


I'm not an expert here at all but that's what what I was taught from 
the cellular side.



Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 11, 2014, at 6:35 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af > wrote:


We climb towers and are on roofs all day, which is why I asked.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com 

On 11/11/2014 02:15 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:

Yes, but for manufacturing, not the WISP.

*From:*Josh Reynolds via Af 

*Sent:*Tuesday, November 11, 2014 2:29 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com  ; WISPA General List

Re: [AFMUG] ACA plans, lot of options this year.

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

I see it works as well this year as last:


   We're busy making HealthCare.gov even better! (en Español
   )

Sorry you can’t get what you need right now. Please come back and visit 
again later.


Mark




On 11/11/14, 4:15 PM, Tushar Patel via Af wrote:


Like this year we provide all employees  BlueCross plan which is HSA 
plan with $3500 deductible, it is costing us about $157/employee + 
dental for $24.0.,  this plan does not cost anything to employee.


They also have option of selecting $2000 deductible with $30 office 
copay plan and employee pay the difference between the plans.


But this year we are going to move to cash reimbursement.

Thanks,

Tushar Patel

512-257-1077

www.westernbroadband.com 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Hogg via Af
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 11, 2014 3:06 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ACA plans, lot of options this year.

We provide up to $100 per month for insurance coverage, we are too 
small for a group plan and feel like we have to provide something.



Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Tushar Patel via Af > wrote:


Hi,

Did anybody get chance to look at the healthcare.gov 
 website to see the

plans offered in their markets?  If you have not looked at it, give it a
try and you will be surprised to see the number of options available.

Since we are under 50 employees we are not required to offer any 
plans, I am

guessing  lot of people on this list will fall under that.

Last year in Austin market there were just 2 providers offering plans and
none of the plans were reasonable, this year there are lot of plans 
and some

of them are reasonable. Big change in our market for sure.

We are just planning to give fixed amount of $$ to each employee every 
month

and let them buy the plan that meets their needs rather than forcing down
two plans to everybody. Some of them may qualify for subsidy which 
they will

have to let go if employer offers the plan.

Is anybody else planning to do something like this?

Are you guys seeing many more options in your market?

Thanks,
Tushar Patel
512-257-1077 
www.westernbroadband.com 





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Amplex

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Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Please mark the hell out of the cable if you decide to put 120VAC on 
it.   Technically it will work just fine.It's just pretty hazardous 
to the guy who comes along later, has no idea what it is and grabs hold 
of the center conductor, or tries to cut the line.


Nobody is really expecting lethal voltages on coax.   They probably 
should be, and RF can be deadly, but it's out of the ordinary on LMR 
type cables.


It's also really ugly if one of your own guys gets confused and connects 
the LMR with 120VAC on it to your shiny new Remec radio head.


Mark

On 11/10/14, 12:27 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
Neutral bar is in the circuit breaker panel.  It is where all the 
white wires terminate.
You attach, clamp, solder a white wire to the shield. Extend the 
insulated center conductor and put it on a circuit breaker.
Instant $120 VAC appears at the top of the tower. Depending on the 
size of the coax, you could easily do 30 amps or more.

*From:* Josh Luthman via Af 
*Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 9:37 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help
Well I was thinking...
AC -> battery charger -> 24v batteries -> coax up the building
coax -> 24v regulator -> PacketFlux
What is the neutral bar?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Chuck McCown via Af > wrote:


Why DC?  Why not just tie the center conductor to a circuit
breaker and make sure the shield is tied to the neutral bar.  Then
you have all kinds of options up there.
*From:* Josh Luthman via Af 
*Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 9:20 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] New site DC power help
I am getting onto a new site that is a building.  The owner has
given me free permission to use anything I want that Sprint left. 
That's the nice building as well as 6 heavy duty >1" thick coax

runs from the base to the top of the tower.
What I would like to do is run DC on one of these.  They have
connectors that look twice as big as N connectors.  How can I go
from this connector to a DC power supply?  What about at the top
from the coax to a regulator?
Am I correct in assuming the center pin would be hot and the
outside/threading be neutral?

Would 24vdc be OK for this?  Or would 48vdc be better?
Thanks in advance for any help! I'd like to avoid running 10 feet
of wire and soldering if at all possible.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373




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Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] Now I'm impressed.

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

I actually shot myself in the foot once doing this.   I took down a 900 
omni and put up 3 120 sectors thinking it was going to be great.   Not 
at all what happened. Turned out the omni was running on the only clean 
channel.   With the 3 sectors and only 3 non-overlapping frequencies 
available there was no combination of channels and directions that 
worked as well as the omni it replaced.


After rotating sectors and frequency plans around for days we found 
something workable, but it wasn't at all what I expected when we started 
the project.


Mark

On 11/8/14, 9:36 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
In cases of congestion, ought you not use antennas with smaller 
beamwidths?




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>

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*From: *"Mark Radabaugh via Af" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Saturday, November 8, 2014 8:33:15 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Now I'm impressed.

Omni's have their places. Physical space limitations, frequency 
congestion, low density, mobile applications, cost, etc.


Sometimes it's the right tool for the job.

Mark

On 11/8/14, 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:

Friends don't let friends deploy omnis.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>


*From: *"Glen Waldrop via Af" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, November 7, 2014 1:50:45 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Now I'm impressed.

We had a tower taken out by a storm.

When we replaced it I finally upgraded to 802.11n as I wanted and
went with a DP omni rather than sectors.
RB711 UA2HnD + ARC 13dBi DP Omni
I'm fine tuning the network, made some adjustments on a tower 12
miles away, one customer didn't come back up. I started checking
my other APs as sometimes they'll hop if close enough, didn't find
anything.
I went to the new AP 12 miles away, the client was connected to it
from a little over 12 miles apparently off a sidelobe of an
Airgrid 16dBi. The grid is pointing at least 20 degrees off, and I
never expected that shot to work if it *was* pointed the right
direction.

I'm impressed.



--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net   419.837.5015 x 1021




--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] Now I'm impressed.

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Omni's have their places.   Physical space limitations, frequency 
congestion, low density, mobile applications, cost, etc.


Sometimes it's the right tool for the job.

Mark

On 11/8/14, 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:

Friends don't let friends deploy omnis.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




*From: *"Glen Waldrop via Af" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, November 7, 2014 1:50:45 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Now I'm impressed.

We had a tower taken out by a storm.

When we replaced it I finally upgraded to 802.11n as I wanted and went 
with a DP omni rather than sectors.

RB711 UA2HnD + ARC 13dBi DP Omni
I'm fine tuning the network, made some adjustments on a tower 12 miles 
away, one customer didn't come back up. I started checking my other 
APs as sometimes they'll hop if close enough, didn't find anything.
I went to the new AP 12 miles away, the client was connected to it 
from a little over 12 miles apparently off a sidelobe of an Airgrid 
16dBi. The grid is pointing at least 20 degrees off, and I never 
expected that shot to work if it *was* pointed the right direction.


I'm impressed.




--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] 13.2 Build 40

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Yes, reportedly.

Mark

On 11/6/14, 10:17 PM, timothy steele via Af wrote:
Dose build 40 fix the bug on build 35 that when your aiming the 450 
and do a capacity test the SM reboots it self? Cuz I've been running 
into that a lot on build 35 older betas work fine.. I will try with 
build 40 soon as I can


—
Sent from Mailbox 


On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Jonathan Mandziara via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


AF Users,

Please download Build 40 and let us know what you think.   We are
very close to a formal release but wanted to get this out there
for any users that were seeing AP lock ups from SMNP queries.

Best,

Cambium Jonathan


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone





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Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] OT outlook becomes "intermittent" in satellite office

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

On 11/3/14, 3:33 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
OK, someone tell me, why is daemon pronounced demon and why cannot we 
simply spell it demon?

Always seemed pretentious to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_Daemon

--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] OT outlook becomes "intermittent" in satellite office

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

On 11/3/14, 3:33 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:

OK, someone tell me, why is daemon pronounced demon

It's not (at least not here).

and why cannot we simply spell it demon?

Image result for freebsd old logo

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Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] Accuracy of on cable foot markings

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

I would be willing to bet the cable markings are right, and that the 
operator/machine spooling the cable missed by 20' since they are looking at the 
measuring wheel/encoder rather than the cable markings.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

Sean Heskett via Af  wrote:

>what's 20 feet amongst friends?!?!
>
>
>
>
>On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Nate Burke via Af  wrote:
>
>I just got some 5000' spools of Belden 7919a cable in, and looking at the 
>cable foot markings from both ends of the cable, they're all about 20' short.  
>When I get 1000' spools, they've always been spot on (as far as matching the 
>cable markings) Is this just the discrepancy in the tolerance of the cable 
>markings at that distance?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: remote support - part time jobs?

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Ya know... you make me laugh pretty much every day, and I'm betting your 
actually an awesome employee - but I'm not sure having you talking to 
customers on the phone is a good idea.


Or maybe all the aggregation you store up all day will come back out 
here and I'll have more to laugh about


Mark

On 11/1/14, 3:15 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
My banker has been being a dick about that whole paying him back on 
the house thing lately, every month making me pay, its like come on 
man, i took the money, isnt that enough?


Ive been applying for remote support and helpdesk type stuff that is 
remote office.. but everything Ive interviewed for ends up being full 
time only. And none of them offer upward mobility given the nature of 
the work.


any of you folks know of any of these call centers that hire part time 
remote workers? I dont care about being overqualified or the pay being 
crap, just looking for some supplemental dough.


One thing amazes me is how many of these outfits use skype for 
communications, I dont know if theyre ultimately routing customer 
calls through skype or what, but thats the requirement they have. It 
used to be required you had a pots line


--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that 
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if 
you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all 
means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925



--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] first approved licensed link mounting

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Wait wait... can I hire you when you are off the meds to go stab a few 
vendors?


Mark

On 10/29/14, 2:20 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
... also, I dont know if any have noticed. I have the spelling and 
grammar of a two year old of late, thats a side effect of medication 
Im on for me not to be stabbing people, I apologize if it gets 
confusing and I forget the spellchecker






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Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] Dielectric grease on RJ45 for radios

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

It's absolutely helpful.

We put it both inside the RJ45 before inserting the wire and on the jack 
before inserting the connector.   It avoids a whole host of Ethernet 
issues with minor corrosion on the connectors.   Keep in mind we are 
using these in environments where humidity and temperature vary widely.  
The connectors are going to move a tiny bit just from the thermal stress.


As far as 'something failed and needs to be replaced' - that's true 
enough I suppose, but when a jacket on a outdoor cable rubs through the 
outer jacket and gets a little water in it I'm a lot happier if that 
water doesn't end up squirting out inside my CTM/CMM or destroying both 
the connector and the jack on a expensive piece of network gear.


Mark



On 10/28/14, 3:39 PM, cstanners--- via Af wrote:
I don't see why anyone would do this, if water gets into your RJ45, 
something has failed and needs to be replaced.


*From: * "Jerry Richardson \(airCloud\) via Af" 
*Sender: * "Af" 
*Date: *Tue, 28 Oct 2014 19:17:11 +
*To: *af@afmug.com
*ReplyTo: * af@afmug.com
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Dielectric grease on RJ45 for radios

Anyone doing this? Pros, cons?



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Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] APC "load in watts"

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Be happy you don't go to school now.

The whole "online test and homework" thing is completely asinine in most 
implementations.


The kids spend more time trying to convince the computer that "A+B" is 
correct when the computer insists it's only correct as "B+A".


It's really nice when it's a test and 20% of the correct answers are 
marked wrong.


Most of the software is so poorly done it's ridiculous.  I have seen the 
kids spend 50% of their time manipulating correct answers to get the 
computer to accept them.


Mark


On 10/28/14, 11:35 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
I am still pissed at getting marked wrong on an exam in college.  
Freshman EE class.

The question was: What is Power Factor.
My answer: Cosine of the Phase Angle
I was right.  They were wrong.  I was robbed of some points.  Somebody 
has to pay someday...

*From:* Mark Radabaugh via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 28, 2014 9:32 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] APC "load in watts"
For what it's worth since most people are not used to power factor (PF)

Power is measured as volts * amps * PF = Watts
VA ratings are volts * amps

For DC the power factor is effectively 1 and can be ignored (we are 
talking supply power here... you RF guys don't need to go off on a 
tangent here...).


The current draw of a load does not always track the voltage 
supplied.   If the load is purely resistive (no inductors, no 
capacitors) then rising voltage and current track linearly.  Most AC 
loads are not purely resistive and the current may lag or lead the 
voltage - meaning the current rise lags behind what would be expected 
for the voltage applied.   The power factor (PF) is the ratio between 
the (expected) current and voltage and it's expressed as a number 
between -1 and 1.Old switching power supplies have a PF around .8


A 500W, 120V power supply with a PF of 1 draws:  Voltage: 120V,   
Current (500/120) = 4.16A


A 500W, 120V power supply with a PF of 0.8 draws: Voltage: 120V, 
Current (500/120/.8) = 5.21A


The power supply with the PF of 0.8 requires considerably more current 
from the UPS than the power supply with a PF of 1 ~ 25% more.


UPS manufacturers rate power supplies based on VA rather than Watts 
since (take your pick here...) they don't have control over the power 
factor of the equipment you are adding, or the VA number is bigger and 
looks better on the box.


You can get more runtime out of your UPS if you pay attention to the 
power factor of the computers you attach to them.   Better power 
supplies have better power factors.   They cost a little bit more but 
can save you money on your UPS.


Mark

On 10/28/14, 10:35 AM, Robbie Wright via Af wrote:
Under, about click on UPS. You'll see apparent power rating in VA and 
real power rating in watts. Under status>ups, you should also see 
output voltage and amps so you can figure out watts if you want. It 
also logs your usage in kWH as well.

Robbie Wright
Siuslaw Broadband <http://siuslawbroadband.com>
541-902-5101


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Amplex

m...@amplex.net   419.837.5015 x 1021



--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] APC "load in watts"

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

For what it's worth since most people are not used to power factor (PF)

Power is measured as volts * amps * PF = Watts
VA ratings are volts * amps

For DC the power factor is effectively 1 and can be ignored (we are 
talking supply power here... you RF guys don't need to go off on a 
tangent here...).


The current draw of a load does not always track the voltage supplied.   
If the load is purely resistive (no inductors, no capacitors) then 
rising voltage and current track linearly.  Most AC loads are not purely 
resistive and the current may lag or lead the voltage - meaning the 
current rise lags behind what would be expected for the voltage 
applied.   The power factor (PF) is the ratio between the (expected) 
current and voltage and it's expressed as a number between -1 and 1.
Old switching power supplies have a PF around .8


A 500W, 120V power supply with a PF of 1 draws:  Voltage: 120V, Current 
(500/120) = 4.16A


A 500W, 120V power supply with a PF of 0.8 draws:  Voltage: 120V, 
Current (500/120/.8) = 5.21A


The power supply with the PF of 0.8 requires considerably more current 
from the UPS than the power supply with a PF of 1 ~ 25% more.


UPS manufacturers rate power supplies based on VA rather than Watts 
since (take your pick here...) they don't have control over the power 
factor of the equipment you are adding, or the VA number is bigger and 
looks better on the box.


You can get more runtime out of your UPS if you pay attention to the 
power factor of the computers you attach to them.   Better power 
supplies have better power factors.   They cost a little bit more but 
can save you money on your UPS.


Mark

On 10/28/14, 10:35 AM, Robbie Wright via Af wrote:
Under, about click on UPS. You'll see apparent power rating in VA and 
real power rating in watts. Under status>ups, you should also see 
output voltage and amps so you can figure out watts if you want. It 
also logs your usage in kWH as well.



Robbie Wright
Siuslaw Broadband 
541-902-5101



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Amplex

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Re: [AFMUG] APC "load in watts"

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Without knowing what is on it 10.4% of a 1500VA UPS is 156W.   Seems 
reasonable enough for a single computer or small site.


Mark

On 10/28/14, 10:31 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
This is the first time I've ever taken a very close look at the 
management page on one of the APC's here.  I had been thinking they 
were somebody else's problem.


Why do I see "Load in Watts" with a value of 10.4%?  My first thought 
was maybe the % was a typo, but 10.4 watts sounds too low.  Second 
thought was maybe it's 10.4% of 1500VAbut that sounds too high.  
No matter what it makes no sense.  Anybody know what I'm supposed to 
learn by reading this? (other than the programmer failed English)






--
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Amplex

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Re: [AFMUG] Old 5.7 BH radios

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

How many would you like?

Mark

On 10/27/14, 12:11 PM, Dan Petermann via Af wrote:

We have a client running v6.1 on a pair of BH radios. One of the radios died. I 
do not know the hardware version of the board.

Are all BHs capable of running newer firmware or do they hit the wall at 7.3.6?

I�m thinking that they are P8s or older and probably stuck at 7.3.6 software 
scheduling.

If so, I�ll need a 2 radios to get the link back up.



--
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Amplex

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Re: [AFMUG] Generator question

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

The big guys take care of the diesel tanks by either running their own 
filtration/conditioning system or having a contractor come out every 
couple of months and process the fuel through a polishing system.Not 
cheap but necessary with diesel standby systems.


Mark


On 10/27/14, 9:48 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
Yeahbut, your tests are generally once a week for 15 minutes, without 
load.  You might burn a gallon of fuel.  If you have a 1500 gallon 
tank, that is a lot of weeks (28 years...) worth of test runs.  Even a 
500 gallon tank would last almost 10 years on test runs along.  Yes, 
they come along and top it off a couple of times a year but that does 
not do much to dilute the bad fuel with new.
There are microbes that eat diesel.  Not sure if the additives kill 
them completely or not.
It must work because lots of large telecom sites have diesel tanks.  I 
have always been LP or NG if I could get it.

*From:* Mike Hammett via Af 
*Sent:* Monday, October 27, 2014 7:36 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Generator question
I believe they make treatments to reduce the "staleness" of stored 
diesel. You'll also be burning some during your regularly scheduled 
load tests as well, right?  *nudge*  ;-)




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




*From: *"Chuck McCown via Af" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, October 27, 2014 8:28:57 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Generator question

I dislike diesel due to the inevitable mess and the fact it goes 
stale, has

cold weather issues etc.
If the disaster is bad enough to shut off the NG pipes, I think I 
don't want

to be at work.

-Original Message-
From: Rex-List Account via Af
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 5:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator question

Just to throw another curve into your thinking - what is your 
reasoning on
the generator? Disaster recovery? Frequent power outages due to storms 
and

such?
As a thirty plus year vet at a phone company and a twenty five plus 
year vet
on the fire department let me give you this to ponder. If it is for 
frequent

power outages
due to electrical storms, ice, and/or poor power lines then NG is fine.
However it has been my experience that in disaster scenarios like
earthquakes (ok I haven't actually
seen this one) severe storms/tornadoes (I have seen way too many of 
these)

then one of the first things the fire department does is shut down the
natural gas pipelines.
Too many houses destroyed and the possibilities of way too many leaks. I
personally would go with diesel fuel. Almost always available - can be
easily trucked in. LP can be
hard to source and price fluctuates in the winter. There is always a 
farmer
or construction company around with diesel. NG is defiantly more 
convenient,

but in a true disaster
situation it may not be available. Just my two cents worth.

Rex

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber
Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 4:17 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Generator question

So I have a unique situation at our office. We're looking at a Generac
QuietSource 22 or 30kW running on NG. I'm not dead set on that, but those
are very nice and quiet 1800RPM. And the problem is, our building is 
really
old and is split in half with two separate 240 services coming in. And 
I do

have an old empty 1-1/4" conduit between the two utility closets. The two
services is actually nice because a lot of times, one side will have 
power
when the other doesn't. One comes from the north, the other from the 
south.


There's no way we can rewire and combine everything into one service 
feed.
I'm trying to wrap my mind around how to do something like two 
auto-transfer

switches on one generator. I have critical stuff to run on both sides.
Probably need a qualified electrician or engineer, but I thought I'd ask
here for suggestions before we go down that road and pay someone to 
come up

with something that I most likely wouldn't like.




--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

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Re: [AFMUG] climbing gear

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Tongue and Buckle.The quick connects on the legs slowly slide open 
while you are working and your far more likely to pinch something in a 
fall you don't want to pinch.The quick connects are also not very 
quick when switching from jeans, to coveralls, to coverall + coat.


Mark

On 10/24/14, 2:53 PM, Rex-List Account via Af wrote:


Looking at a DBI Sala ExoFit Nex harness. It has the option of quick 
connects or tongue and buckle.


Has anybody had experience with this harness or the quick connects? 
How did you like it? Any


recommendations? Any other harness that you prefer more?

Thanks in advance.

Rex

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rex-List 
Account via Af

*Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 9:59 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] climbing gear

I am looking to purchase some climbing gear -- ropes, harness, 
shackles, and such.


Who has the best prices for quality gear?

Thanks in advance.

Rex




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Amplex

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Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave latency issues

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Tim,

Obviously you want to fix the radio issue but I can give you a little 
advice on LACP.


The switch (or router) doing LACP can take various headers into account 
when doing the 'hashing' to decide how to send the flows. If LACP is 
what you are stuck with (Gino suggested a layer 1 method) and you have 
control over the devices doing LACP take a look at the LACP Hashing 
options.   Typical options are MAC SRC/DST, MAC Src/Dst + L3 port, or 
some other options.If most of your traffic is flowing between two 
interfaces (a router at each end) the MAC src/dst hashing sends 
everything over one of the links.   You want to find a hashing method 
that has more randomness to it.   In at least one case where we use that 
we had to resort to not using the LACP functionality the radio 
manufacturer provided and use the better LACP options in our Juniper and 
Cisco switches in order to make the traffic balance on the interfaces.


Mark


On 10/24/14, 12:38 PM, Timothy D. McNabb via Af wrote:


We have now been able to trace to the heart of the problem, though 
unfortunately still attempting to determine the cause. To give you a 
rough background, we have a main link that “bonds” 2 Dragonwaves 
together to form one unit (using the dual radio mount). The DW manual 
states for this to work when doubling the throughput, it is required 
to use LACP trunking. We have this in place and it has been working 
fine up until recently. The trunk is still active (no network loop) 
however one radio is working more than the other, eventually 
saturating one of the two links and causing the latency. The second 
set of radios aren’t performing in terms of actual traffic (signal is 
ok) but at most they’ve moved 200Mb/s even though they are licensed 
for 400Mbs.


The link with the LACP has more or less load-balanced itself in the 
past, however they are now performing very asymmetrical at this point 
with over a 200Mb/s difference. I understand that LACP does not 
actively load balance but that’s what has been observed in the past. I 
suspect the issue is being caused by one of the switches doing the 
trunking (we just discovered it is unmanageable but still operating, 
again no network loop). It’s either that or the one leg of the link 
itself with the low bandwidth usage is not working properly despite 
indications otherwise.


We’ll investigate our theories but always looking for additional input J

-Tim

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds 
via Af

*Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2014 1:47 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave latency issues

You can do a bit more with metro-e style NIDS... those have the layer2 
tools to do proper testing.


Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com 

On 10/23/2014 12:37 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote:

it's going to be really hard to do any meaningful diagnostics with
a layer 2 switch on each end, not routers...  you could be seeing
a broadcast flood of some type.

On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Timothy D. McNabb via Af
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

Unfortunately there is no QoS and flow control is off on the
switches L

Dragonwave was contacted as well. No determination yet though.

-Tim

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Peter Kranz via Af
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:36 PM


*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave latency issues

Backpressure from the switches in terms of flow-control can show
as latency on dragonwave links.

Disable any QOS features on the dragonwave if you are using them.

Email dragonwave support

*Peter Kranz
*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Timothy D.
McNabb via Af
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:15 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave latency issues

No routers between, just switches.

-Tim

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Conlin
via Af
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 12:22 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave latency issues

Could the routers at each end be the limiting factor?  What is
their CPU utilization when the link is loaded?  What happens to
latency if you stress the link at 200 Mbps with a speed test? 
Those radios should be able to do close to 400 Mbps all day long

with no latency.

PC

Blaze Broadband

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joshua
Heide via Af
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 3:06 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave latency issues

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

The units have a diagnostic tool that will give you a table with 
bandwidth utilization at ( I think) one second intervals.   Try running 
the diagnostic tool while it's having issues and you will probably see 
something.   I think it's called merlin.exe


Mark

On 10/22/14, 4:14 PM, Timothy D. McNabb via Af wrote:


No routers between, just switches.

-Tim

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Conlin via Af
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 12:22 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave latency issues

Could the routers at each end be the limiting factor?  What is their 
CPU utilization when the link is loaded?  What happens to latency if 
you stress the link at 200 Mbps with a speed test?  Those radios 
should be able to do close to 400 Mbps all day long with no latency.


PC

Blaze Broadband

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joshua Heide via Af
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 3:06 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave latency issues

Yes it's a horizon compact

Bandwidth of the unit is 400mbs

Bandwidth usage between 150-200mbs during peak hours.

No QOS

Yes during non-peak hours its sits at 1ms

SNR 35.00 dB

From our prtg graphs this issues has started end of September and 
latency has gotten worse during peak times as we have deployed more 
450 gear to that tower.


I currently have HAAM enabled on the link and it stays at 256qam 
unless we have some bad weather.


Josh Heide

Velociter Wireless

(office) 209-838-1221

(fax) 209-838-1800

www.velociter.net 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince via Af
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:47 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave latency issues

So it's a Horizon Compact?

What is the total bandwidth, and what percentage are you using?  Have 
you set up any QOS?  180 ms sounds like a lot; especially when ours 
are typically less than 1 ms.


-38 is right in the game. What are the other parameters besides signal 
level?


bp

On 10/22/2014 11:18 AM, Joshua Heide via Af wrote:

We have a dragonwave that has latency issues that coincide with
traffic peak times. As our traffic peaks so does that latency at
180ms. Any ideas that could cause this?

Signal is -38

Current HAAM Mode   hc50_364_256qam

Thanks,

Josh Heide

Velociter Wireless

(office) 209-838-1221

(fax) 209-838-1800

www.velociter.net 




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Amplex

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Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave latency issues

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

How much bandwidth are you pushing through it?

Mark

On 10/22/14, 2:18 PM, Joshua Heide via Af wrote:


We have a dragonwave that has latency issues that coincide with 
traffic peak times. As our traffic peaks so does that latency at 
180ms. Any ideas that could cause this?


Signal is -38

Current HAAM Mode   hc50_364_256qam

Thanks,

Josh Heide

Velociter Wireless

(office) 209-838-1221

(fax) 209-838-1800

www.velociter.net 




--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 3.65

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Sorry - didn't catch the extra P

I have one 5.4 version running.   It's actually better on throughput 
that I was expecting but we have seen long delays in getting it to 
establish a link even with excellent signal strength.


Mark

On 10/22/14, 12:27 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:


I want to make sure we are on the same page.  Not asking about the 
PMP450 3.65I am asking about the *PTP*450 3.65


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 12:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 3.65

I do have a 450 on a KP Omni with 44 customers on it.   Seems to work

quite well so far.   The longest is at 2.9 miles, most are inside 1 mile.

This is a very space constrained tower with a propensity for getting 
hit by lightning.


At some point it will likely be converted to 4 sectors.

Mark

On 10/22/14, 11:53 AM, Matt via Af wrote:

>> Anybody using these yet? Results?

> Expensive.  Works great.  Omni results in less then half range if you

> go that way though.

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Amplex

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Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 3.65

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

I do have a 450 on a KP Omni with 44 customers on it.   Seems to work 
quite well so far.   The longest is at 2.9 miles, most are inside 1 mile.


This is a very space constrained tower with a propensity for getting hit 
by lightning.


At some point it will likely be converted to 4 sectors.

Mark



On 10/22/14, 11:53 AM, Matt via Af wrote:

Anybody using these yet?  Results?

Expensive.  Works great.  Omni results in less then half range if you
go that way though.



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Amplex

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Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 3.65

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Excellent.

Not as good at Wimax through obstructions (trees) but far better 
throughput.


Not as good through trees as 2.4 (higher loss) but better performance 
due to low noise floor.   A -60 2.4 shot with a SNR of 5dB ends up -68dB 
with a SNR of 15dB, with the expected performance result.


Every bit as good as 5.7

Numbers vary but that is roughly what we are seeing.

Mark

On 10/22/14, 11:20 AM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:


Anybody using these yet?  Results?

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com 

pa...@pdmnet.net 




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Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] 450 bh trick?

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

We have seen some weirdness with them in the office and have not 
deployed them.   Difficulty in getting them to connect.   My other issue 
is the very low limit on downlink % - something like 55 if you run them 
in the 5.4 band. This makes it not much better in throughput than a 230 
backhaul (which also has odd signal issues on recent firmware) unless 
you can get 8/8 modulation.


Hey Mimosa - send me some backhauls...

Mark

On 10/21/14, 12:44 PM, Craig House via Af wrote:
As a sidenote I have also tried to get them to connect on different 
channels and in a 10 MHz channel it still did not work


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 21, 2014, at 11:43, timothy steele via Af > wrote:


Dishes has 100 replaced with 450 and no re aim? Point dish up a few 
degrees on each end


—
Sent from Mailbox 


On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Craig House via Af > wrote:


We have put up our first pair of backhaul 450 radios today 5.5
mile wink signal before was a -51 on both ends dishes did not get
repointed just replace the radios
The radio see each other at a -59 signal but they will not
connect up says that the BER is too high
This is from a water tower to a 600 foot communications tower
that is easy line of sight from 40 feet lower on each end
Is there a special trick to making these radios connect?

Sent from my iPhone





--
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Amplex

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Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

And now your completely out of spectrum and can't deploy anything new.  
I suppose the good part for you is nobody else can do anything given the 
amount of noise your making.


Mark

On 10/18/14, 1:27 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote:
You just hit the nail on the head why wehave never considered 
deploying 450 (and similar)in the past:


By the time "you" (relative term) have the cashflow to pay for those 
sectors, "we" (another relative term, for people deploying UBNTor 
similar) have already thrown up 4-6 shielded sectors and at least 10 
clients per. If we don't think we can hit a decent sub densityor at 
least make the site a valuable repeater, then we don't go there.


Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com 

On 10/18/2014 09:01 AM, Kurt Fankhauser via Af wrote:
I prefer sectors too but math doesnt always work out. I'll put the 
omni in to get the site up and once the customers are there change it 
to sectors. The 450 platform is very easy to drop sectors in and have 
the existing clients link right up. I have a couple sites with 
existing customers i am dropping a two sector 450 system in with 120 
segree KP antennas. cant afford any more sectors than that per site 
right now...


Sent from my iPhone

Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110

On Oct 18, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Mike Hammett via Af > wrote:


I've noticed a lot of PMP operators are deploying omnis (presumably 
because they can't afford 4 APs. Give me TDMA Atheros with sectors 
over omnis on anything any day.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *"Kurt Fankhauser via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:38:14 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

TJ,

No difference between the 3 different frequencies bands (other than 
NLOS range) as far as the product itself they are all the same 
animal. 2.4ghz NLOS is slightly better than 3.65ghhz. They all 
function the same and have the same expected throughputs per channel 
width. They all use the same firmware and i love the interface being 
the same across all 3. The only major difference is the 5ghz is V/H 
versus slant on the other two. That just translates to the 5ghz omni 
being ALOT smaller and lighter. There are some places that i wish 
the 2.4ghz woulda been V/H because of the omni size but overall I am 
still very happy with the 2.4ghz 450.



Kurt Fankhauser

Wavelinc Communications

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

http://www.wavelinc.com 

tel. 419-562-6405

fax. 419-617-0110


On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 4:57 AM, TJ Trout via Af > wrote:


Kurt,

Any pros and cons on 450 between 2ghz, 3.65 and 5?  Any
differences at all? Range vs throughput? Obviously 2ghz
penetrates better, 3 is licensed and 5 has more spectrum but
anything else? All bands are open for me

Thanks

On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser via Af
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

I started the spring deploying 450 in 2.4ghz, 5ghz, and
3.65ghz and then middle of the summer deciding i had to"try"
some ePMP because the cost was so low I couldn't resist
I can say now that I am fairly certain I will probably stick
with the 450. There are many small reasons that when I
considered them all i came to this conclusion. Here are my
reasons:

1. ePMP latency starts to go up quickly once you have more
than 10 clients on an AP. Once you get over 20 clients the
latency is pretty much 25-30 ms. Cambium was honest about
this at the road tour and they noted if you want the best
latency to stick with the 450.
2. Sync between the two platforms is not there yet. If you
have adjacent towers on the different platforms that can see
each other you won't have sync.
3. No remote spectrum analyzer for clients. This is HUGE for
when the clients fire up their wireless camera and baby
monitors and trash the whole spectrum.
4.No burst bucket on CPE's
5.EPMP Interface is SLOWWW. Cambium explained at the tour
they were offloading alot of processing power to the PC you
are viewing the interface with and i can't be taking a quad
core machine up a tower to work on these radios and do site
surveys. I am working with a Panasonic Toughbook and takes
FOREVER to log into the EPMP radios.
6. Fore some reason site surveys are a PITA with ePMP. Think
its a combination of many factors here... slow interface one
of them...
7. EPMP in 5ghz DFS band has really low power output.
Somethi

Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

So far they have been cooperative with it.  They did require us to ship them 
back to the factory and cover the shipping cost but otherwise no charge.

We are looking at interoperability of the G.8032 with other providers gear for 
the central sites.  It appears we may be able to get the MetroNode GT as a 
relatively inexpensive device for the tower node sites.

If that project doesn't work out they are still useful for MetroE handoff to 
customers.  



Mark
Amplex
m...@amplex.net

> On Oct 16, 2014, at 6:50 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af  wrote:
> 
> I know it *can* be done. The method is a bit complicated. Are they willing to 
> do this though?
> Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
> SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
> 
>> On 10/16/2014 05:04 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote:
>> Don't toss them!
>> 
>> Send them to me or have Accedian flash them back to standard software.   
>> They are valuable as metro-E NID's
>> 
>> Mark
>> Amplex
>> m...@amplex.net
>> 
>> On Oct 16, 2014, at 4:32 PM, Gino Villarini via Af  wrote:
>> 
>>> We are going  to toss them
>>> 
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> @gvillarini
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Chris Wright via Af  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 1.2.8.6_21016 released in June of this year. 
>>>> http://forum.performantnetworks.com/threads/2015.1438/
>>>>  
>>>> Chris Wright
>>>> Velociter Wireless
>>>>  
>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Jenkins via Af
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 3:20 PM
>>>> To: Timothy D. McNabb via Af
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes
>>>>  
>>>> I have a tub of equipment I really wanted to deploy. It's not being 
>>>> actively developed, so I have not deployed it. Are you running the latest 
>>>> software?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  Original message 
>>>> From: "Timothy D. McNabb via Af"  
>>>> Date: 10/16/2014 1:58 PM (GMT-07:00) 
>>>> To: af@afmug.com 
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone here on the list use Performant Nurons/Mind combination? What 
>>>> did you find worked best?
>>>>  
>>>> -Tim
>>>>  
>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:00 PM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes
>>>>  
>>>> We’ve been sitting on a Performant Mind and four Nurons for almost a year 
>>>> now. They sat for six months, then I spent another six months tinkering 
>>>> with them here and there. Regardless of their EOL, we’re looking to 
>>>> implement – but I’m running into the silliest of issues. I can’t even get 
>>>> traffic from the Mind to a Nuron to pass without 20% packet loss. This is 
>>>> without any routing, wireless backhauls, nothing. Just a VLAN-tagged NIC 
>>>> plugged straight into the Mind, Ethernet from Mind to a Nuron (where the 
>>>> vlan “pops”), then Ethernet to a second computer.
>>>>  
>>>> I’ve replaced the SFP adapters, the nuron, and verified none of the 
>>>> Ethernet cables are bad by literally coupling them all down a line and 
>>>> going straight from computer 1 to computer 2. No issue there.
>>>>  
>>>> This, combined with the fact that this stuff is going to be EOL in three 
>>>> years, is maddening. My boss was under the impression that this should be 
>>>> able to seamlessly integrate into our star topology (nuron at every tower 
>>>> making a ring), but we can’t even get basic LAN functions to work reliably.
>>>>  
>>>> Chris Wright
>>>> Velociter Wireless
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Don't toss them!

Send them to me or have Accedian flash them back to standard software.   They 
are valuable as metro-E NID's

Mark
Amplex
m...@amplex.net

> On Oct 16, 2014, at 4:32 PM, Gino Villarini via Af  wrote:
> 
> We are going  to toss them
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> @gvillarini
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 16, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Chris Wright via Af  wrote:
> 
>> 1.2.8.6_21016 released in June of this year. 
>> http://forum.performantnetworks.com/threads/2015.1438/
>>  
>> Chris Wright
>> Velociter Wireless
>>  
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Jenkins via Af
>> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 3:20 PM
>> To: Timothy D. McNabb via Af
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes
>>  
>> I have a tub of equipment I really wanted to deploy. It's not being actively 
>> developed, so I have not deployed it. Are you running the latest software?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Original message 
>> From: "Timothy D. McNabb via Af"  
>> Date: 10/16/2014 1:58 PM (GMT-07:00) 
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes 
>> 
>> 
>> Does anyone here on the list use Performant Nurons/Mind combination? What 
>> did you find worked best?
>>  
>> -Tim
>>  
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:00 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes
>>  
>> We’ve been sitting on a Performant Mind and four Nurons for almost a year 
>> now. They sat for six months, then I spent another six months tinkering with 
>> them here and there. Regardless of their EOL, we’re looking to implement – 
>> but I’m running into the silliest of issues. I can’t even get traffic from 
>> the Mind to a Nuron to pass without 20% packet loss. This is without any 
>> routing, wireless backhauls, nothing. Just a VLAN-tagged NIC plugged 
>> straight into the Mind, Ethernet from Mind to a Nuron (where the vlan 
>> “pops”), then Ethernet to a second computer.
>>  
>> I’ve replaced the SFP adapters, the nuron, and verified none of the Ethernet 
>> cables are bad by literally coupling them all down a line and going straight 
>> from computer 1 to computer 2. No issue there.
>>  
>> This, combined with the fact that this stuff is going to be EOL in three 
>> years, is maddening. My boss was under the impression that this should be 
>> able to seamlessly integrate into our star topology (nuron at every tower 
>> making a ring), but we can’t even get basic LAN functions to work reliably.
>>  
>> Chris Wright
>> Velociter Wireless

Re: [AFMUG] Lubricant for pulling wire in conduit?

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Yea...  Don't use oil.  It attacks some types of insulation.  It also 
eventually solidifies into something akin to tar and glues the wiring into the 
conduit.

Mark
Amplex
m...@amplex.net

> On Oct 16, 2014, at 3:56 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af  wrote:
> 
> ...
> 
> I may or may not have done the exact same thing about 6 months ago.
> 
> I can "imagine" it would make quite a mess/stink...
> Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
> SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
> 
>> On 10/16/2014 01:35 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
>> I know a guy (looking at shoes) who may have dumped a quart of motor oil 
>> into a conduit once
>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:
>>> What is the diameter of the pipe?
>>> 
>>> I prefer to tie a plastic baggie to a lightweight pull string, then use a 
>>> shop vacuum to suck it through.
>>> Then use the string to pull the wire.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: cstanners--- via Af
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:48 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Lubricant for pulling wire in conduit?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'm at a residential customer install and I may have bitten off more than I 
>>> can chew - I agreed to attempt to install on their garage and pull wire to 
>>> their house through a pipe (since they have a metal roof the only other 
>>> place I can install is on the front of their house - ugly).
>>> 
>>> It's taking forever to pull that wire due to friction/ angles, and the shop 
>>> has no wire-pulling "butter". Would dish soap work or is there something 
>>> else easily available?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the 
>> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't 
>> get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a 
>> hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Massive speed improvements with 13.2 Build 34 Beta

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

I have been running it on a number of AP's for a while (well.. various 
builds anyway).


One caution - get everything to 13.1.3, then upgrade the SM's followed 
by the AP's.   CNUT will let you update the SM's from the AP  without 
upgrading the AP first.


I was having trouble getting a small subset of SM's reconnected when the 
AP's were on 13.2 with SM's on 13.1 or prior.


Mark

On 10/11/14, 8:10 PM, Ryan Ray via Af wrote:
Just ran an update to one of my 3.65 450 AP's and did an SM connected 
to it.


SM is running at a -68.5 28 / 30 SNR and before the software update I 
would get about 23Mb/s down, 12 up. After the update... 43Mb/s down, 
16Mb/s up. 80% downlink set on the AP.


Thanks muchly Cambium. I'm a happy duck as long as there's no adverse 
affects that haven't been found yet.






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Re: [AFMUG] BBDGE Grounding Question

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

No shielded ends...  How in the world would you ever get the copper 
corrugated braid into that?


If your not using it with the Cambium PTP500 cable glands (which have a 
mechanical grip the digs into the copper) then use something like:


https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=493736&eventGroup=4&eventPage=1

and tie the ground wire to the tower steel or whatever it is you want to 
protect.   Use regular RJ45's for the Ethernet connection.


Mark




On 10/11/14, 4:22 PM, Tyler Treat via Af wrote:

For all you guys that rock BBDGE at tower sites -
Are you using shielded ends - Does the copper cladding fit up into the 
connector?  Care to attach a picture of what you consider a proper connection?? 
 The only time I've messed with this cable, it was a huge PITA to get the 
copper cladding up into the shielded connector.   Not sure if that was even the 
proper method.?

Do you also bond the shield to ground the same way you would LMR cable with the ground 
kit?  Similar to this: 
https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=445755&WT.mc_id=google_base&sp=true

Thanks
Tyler





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Re: [AFMUG] Pulling lots of cable through 2" conduit

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

On 10/9/14, 1:52 PM, Randy Cosby via Af wrote:
I'm not following you on the tape  recommendation.  How do you keep 
the bundle together if you remove the tape before it goes into the 
conduit?  Do you tape at regular intervals then remove the tape as 
just before it hits the conduit?
Correct.   It helps if you leave a tab on the tape by folding the free 
end back and sticking it to itself.   It makes it a lot easier to find 
the end, and you don't risk cutting the cable jacket with a knife.


You don't want the tape in the conduit as the cables need to be free to 
shift going around the bends, and if you ever want to add or remove a 
cable the tape makes it impossible.


Mark

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Re: [AFMUG] Pulling lots of cable through 2" conduit

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Lube, Lube, and more Lube :-)

Down is a lot easier than up.

It's absolutely critical to keep the cables very neat as they go into 
the conduit.  Twist them up and it's not going to work.  Tape them  
neatly ahead of time but DON'T let the tape go in the conduit.   Have 
the helper take it off right before it goes in.


One cable is the leader - make it about 4' longer than the rest, double 
it back and very securely tape it into the bigger bundle. Use that loop 
to pull with.   This should work fine for a short run.   If your going 
much farther you want to use a pulling sock.


Mark

On 10/9/14, 12:48 PM, Randy Cosby via Af wrote:
I have a project that has about 50 feet of 2" metal conduit running to 
the top of a water tank.  There are two large-radius bends in the 
conduit.   We want to pull as many cat5e cables as possible.  We'll 
need at least 18.


I found this table and compared the size of UBNT Toughcable.  It looks 
to be in the same size range as the GigaLAN Cat6E cable, about .24".  
Based on their table, we should be able to pull 27 cables through.


How would you pull a bundle like that?  What do you use to attach the 
cables together before pulling?   Just electrical tape?  Any other 
suggestions?


There are actually two conduits, but we will need to put some coax in 
the second one, but should have room for a few more ethernet cables as 
well.


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Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Send me the info.   With 16+ employees and a 10-12k/month insurance 
bill,  it's past time to do something different.


Mark

On 10/8/14, 12:06 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
Anyone with 10 employees or more should be self insured. It saves you 
30-50%.  I can put you in touch with a third party administrator that 
will take over all the administrative tasks as well as beating down 
the health care providers on costs and providing a catastrophic stop 
loss policy.




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Re: [AFMUG] Comcast is getting really ticked about complaints

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Given that we have all had calls from customers that are complete asses 
I pretty much have to assume Conal really crossed a line to get that 
much of a reaction.


Mark

On 10/8/14, 9:35 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
The original article states that nobody has access to recordings of 
the phone calls or the contents of the emails.
Maybe Conal was the jerk.  What would someone have to say before you 
called his employer and told them they employee was being bad?  
Something serious I assume.  Maybe Conal made threats or something.


The fact is we don't know, and slashdot rallies automatically against 
the cable company because they're the cable company. Not that I love 
my cable companybut the bias is quite clear.



Per the original article it doesn't sound like the guy was being a 
jerk at all.  Comcast was, in fact, the jerk.


On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 6:37 PM, Chris Wright via Af > wrote:


That’s pretty shady, but this part of the editorial really ticked
me off,

“/Be careful next time when you exercise your first amendment
rights”/

//

The first amendment protects the rights of the people to speak
freely, but does not protect you from the consequences of being a
jerk.

Chris Wright

Velociter Wireless 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds via Af
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 07, 2014 4:17 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Comcast is getting really ticked about
complaints

Yeah I saw that.

PS - f@#$ /. beta ;)

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com 

On 10/07/2014 02:51 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:

http://beta.slashdot.org/story/208189

�

Rory P. Conaway

4226 S. 37th Street

Phoenix, Az. 85040

602-426-0542 

r...@triadwireless.net 

www.triadwireless.net 

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Re: [AFMUG] Belkin routers going nuts

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

13 customers so far today - all Belkin.

Powned?

Mark

On 10/7/14, 10:04 AM, Darren Shea via Af wrote:

Is anyone else getting inundated with a flood of customers who can't connect to 
the internet through their Belkin routers this
morning?
   
What's the deal with that?,

   Darren






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Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

I'm still looking for a rugged portable rechargeable power supply with a built 
in speaker and wifi AP for the installers to use to power and aim CPE.   

We cobble stuff up with rechargeable flashlights and electrical tape.  It's not 
pretty.   I would buy multiple units if the price is <$200.

Mark

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

"Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af"  wrote:

>It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the list.
>
>
>With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to 
>decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.
>
>
>We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all of 
>them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we 
>complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of 
>expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared on the 
>website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the voltmeter/shunt 
>input modules.
>
>
>So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could 
>build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm particularly looking for 
>products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites, or 
>even better at every customer location.  I know these product ideas exist out 
>there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas out which are 
>outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into.
>
>
>One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device which 
>includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery 
>charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber 
>conversion, etc..   I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that 
>desire.   There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but 
>there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a simplified 
>version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to hear 
>about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it handles 
>everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us.
>
>
>So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run with 
>them.
>
>
>-forrest
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WTB Superior Essex 12D fiber cable

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

Ken,

We picked up a couple hundred feet of figure-8 conduit from a local 
utility supply house a few years ago for something like $0.25/foot.  
Looks a lot like this stuff: http://www.duraline.com/conduit/figure-8


It's meant for aerial installation.   I used it from the roof of the 
elevator down to a shelter.   I pulled regular power and fiber cables 
into it.   The stuff is pretty heavy - I hauled it up to the roof with a 
capstan winch, and ended up tensioning it with the winch as well.  Check 
the local utility supply houses to see if they have a partial reel 
sitting around.   Use a 'Strand Vise" to attach the messenger wire to 
anchor the ends.   The EHS cable is a bitch to cut - a grinder works great.


One thing I learned after putting it up - leave a few twists around the 
messenger strand.  You want the tube wrapped around the messenger a 
couple of times so that the tube part is not hanging below the messenger 
the whole way.   I tried to make it nice and neet and took all the twist 
out of it when I hung it.Turns out that was wrong.  It's not showing 
any signs of coming apart fortunately.


Mark

On 10/1/14, 3:10 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
Do you know, is this stuff suitable for aerial installation, and if 
so, what would be the best install method, assuming we don’t have the 
equipment to do aerial lashed?  Is there some kind of figure 8 cable 
that has an integral steel cable that would be better?
I’m not talking about FTTH on utility poles, this is for a grain 
elevator where burying the cable is not practical. Basically going 
from a building on one side of the bins to a building on the other 
side, where we can pick existing buried fiber to yet another building.

*From:* Jeremy via Af 
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 01, 2014 1:57 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] WTB Superior Essex 12D fiber cable
I need a couple hundred feet of 12 strand armored fiber.  SE 12D or 
similar.  Everyone else wants to sell me 3300'.  Anyone out there 
willing to part with a couple hundred feet?  I'll get you exact 
lengths as soon as I find someone willing to sell me a bit.  Thanks.



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Re: [AFMUG] Datacenter Rackspace

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

On 10/1/14, 3:47 PM, Matt via Af wrote:

What is everyone paying for data center rack space?
From $50/mo for Ghetto Colo (otherwise known as the bathroom in the 
back off) to $900/mo for a full rack with 20A in Columbus.


Mark

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Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

At $4.10 it's not great, but I would probably go for it.   Biggest 
driver for me would be the single cable up the tower and the ease of 
securing that cable.   I used to do 'box at the top' and moved to 
individual runs to the base. The cabling is a nuisance with everything 
at the bottom which is why I am looking at going back to the 'box at the 
top' method.   I have not found a great deal of difference in equipment 
survival either way.


As for switches I'm considering doing 2 of these to serve 4 AP's - 
http://www.garrettcom.com/csg14.htm   Using simplex SFP's I can use one 
fiber for each convertor.   So far I have not found a 4 port GigE + 1 
SFP extended temperature DIN rail mount switch. Still looking.


Mark



On 9/28/14, 11:00 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af wrote:
I have requested pricing on this as well.  I think that in the end, it 
was overly expensive (something like 4x the cost of doing 2 split 
runs, $4.10/ft or something like that). If we could get that even 
within 15% of what I'm paying now, I'd be happy.


Regards,
Chuck



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Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

The built-in GPS in the 450 works reasonably well.   Now that they have 
the option of internal GPS and freerun it's reasonably safe to let them 
run that way.  We still have most of our units powered by CTM's but have 
increasingly gone to turning off sync-over-power.   There is some risk 
of the unit losing GPS and going into freerun and then drifting off 
timing but I have not seen an issue with it to date.


Other tower top GPS solutions are available if you don't want to risk 
the internal GPS unit - Cambium uGPS, Packetflux, Last Mile Gear.


Mark

On 9/28/14, 10:27 AM, Josh Baird via Af wrote:
If the radios did have SFPs, wouldn't you still need to provide sync 
(which would mean additional cables)?


On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:



http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CC0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.commscope.com%2FDocs%2FHELIAX_FFDirect_Brochure_BR-107083.pdf&ei=uhQoVLffMIWayQSu5YCoBA&usg=AFQjCNFvqSzEDLibQ4WCTebhIbt3KgEQYQ&sig2=gR3vElbGdefgDpcYEtvB2Q&bvm=bv.76247554,d.aWw

I'm getting pricing on this - if it's anything remotely reasonable
I'm really thinking about using this for tower sites.   With 3
fiber feeds and 3 power feeds I can use one power/fiber pair to
each of the SAF Integra's, and use the other one to go to a
enclosure with power and a switch to connect to the APs'.

I'm trying to find out if I can get a small switch and a
PacketFlux Syncinjector stuffed into a 3M Tower Dome Closure:


http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/mediawebserver?mwsId=6UgxGCuNyXTtoxMVlxMVEVtQEcuZgVs6EVs6E66--&fn=Tower_Dome_Terminal_TDT_T_25_6RS

The combination seems like it would solve a lot of problems.   It
gives us one cable up the tower and the cable fits properly into
standard tower hangers.  The dome closure can be built on the
ground with appropriate length cables to each AP so that the whole
thing can be assembled on the ground and then hoisted into place
so that the tower monkeys only have to plug things in.

The other nice part is if you are using contract tower crews the
whole thing looks just like installing a standard Remote Radio
Unit (RRU) radio head, so they should both not need a lot of
retraining.

If we could get our radio manufacturers to start making equipment
with SFP's this would be even easier. That's a hint there Cambium.


Mark

On 9/28/14, 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af wrote:

We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since
that standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet.

Regards,
Chuck

On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years.

http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html

Outdoor, UV resistant, etc.



On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
> Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower
>
> 30-40w total power
>
> Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable?
>
> We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes...
>
> Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
>





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