Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity!

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

Beeing an early adopter is hard with every gear. You need luck to get a working 
device/firmware. We did one test tower which does not work due to dfs issues, 
than we had a bad sm we used for testing. Now they work quite well for us. 

The web interface needs a fast pc to be usable. It is slow but works.


The epmp needs still a lot of work but you see progress.





Von: Tyler Treat via Af
Gesendet: ‎Montag‎, ‎29‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎19‎:‎59
An: Tyler Treat via Af





Amen brother, if I was on the roof for three hours with one of those radios I 
would be jumping off the roof myself.

Sent from my iPhone

Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110

> On Dec 29, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Ryan Goldberg via Af  wrote:
> 
> I was a relatively early adopter.  Not believing my techs, I went to the 
> field one day, to “show them what’s up” – no technology can do battle with me!
>  
> After 3 hours I pitched that f*cker off the roof and issued a cease a desist.
>  
> We’re sitting on 20ish units waiting for everyone else to burn the bugs out 
> now.
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser via Af
> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 12:39 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity!
>  
> I can't take it anymore, I'm going back to UBNT for non-FSK/450 stuff. I can 
> no longer deal with the slow and horrible EPMP interface. I thought it would 
> get better as the firmware matured but its not getting any better, Just 
> loaded the latest firmware 2.3.3 and its still slower than a turtle going in 
> the wrong direction. For crying out loud the old Tranzeo interface is faster 
> than this! Chrome, and IE 11 it doesn't matter it literally takes me 30 
> minutes to config one of these radios. By the time you upgrade the firmware 
> and "try" to upload a template to one. (never does want to take a backup 
> config is always erroring out) I can't afford to be sitting at the bench all 
> day fiddling with these radios. You can't even type text in the fields that 
> already have characters in them without getting some weird outcome. Everytime 
> i go to deal with one of these radios i always end up with obscenities coming 
> out of my mouth and I even have a hole punched in a wall in the shop cause i 
> got so frustrated with one a few weeks back.
>  
> Maybe Bitlomat will come out with third party firmware for these and save us 
> all
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Kurt Fankhauser
> Wavelinc Communications
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> http://www.wavelinc.com
> tel. 419-562-6405
> fax. 419-617-0110

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping..

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

Sounds like 5GHz isn‘t usable at all there.

You tested the integrated unit? Doesnt the higher gain antenna help?

Does the Antenna deliver the calculated gain?



Would be interesting to compare it to a PTP600/650.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Gino Villarini via Af
Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. Dezember 2014 11:07
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping..



We tried a 2.5 mile link on a heavy noise floor area.  Linked at –52, best 
channel we could find gav2 us a 12db SNR… only passed 1meg.  Going to try on 
another area







Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com>

@aeronetpr







From: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " mailto:af@afmug.com> 
>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 at 1:41 AM
To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping..



It’s pretty good.  We don’t have a high noise environment although I can run 
tests in 5.8GHz which would be pretty noisy.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 2:03 PM
To: mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping..



How's  your noise?

Gino A. Villarini

@gvillarini






On Dec 22, 2014, at 4:35 PM, Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

The unit is still in Beta mode so all the features aren’t fully operations.  
Right now it’s best used with fixed frequencies, either on the same channel or 
split channels.  For example, you can run 40MHz on 5.8HGz and 40MHz on 5.1GHz 
for long range links.  When the auto function is implemented fully, the radio 
will make that decision for you.  Right now the radios are working fine.  Chuck 
Hogg is pushing a lot more data through his than I am though.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt via Af
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 5:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping..



This is what I want and should be possible from looking at the data.

But as there are testers on this forum it might not be neccesary to do 
guesswork ;-)).





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af
Gesendet: Montag, 22. Dezember 2014 13:34
An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping..



I would expect it to be seamless as the radio still has connectivity on one 
channel during all of this.



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From: "Eric Kuhnke via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 3:48:20 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping..

I'm curious to see what the seamless channel change looks like in terms of 
"hiccup" across each side of an OSPF /30 between a pair of routers...  How many 
milliseconds of weirdness, if you're logged into a router console on one end 
and pinging the other?



On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 8:15 AM, Stefan Englhardt via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

Are there still NDAs or can you share you’re experience?

Esp. the advanced features like background channel scan with seamless channel 
change and overall stability.

Does channel reuse work, how does it coexist with a ePMP on nearby channels …





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] Im Auftrag 
von Rory Conaway via Af
Gesendet: Samstag, 20. Dezember 2014 04:14
An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping..



Chuck is doing more long range testing and we are testing more for relaying, 
higher density deployment for a different model.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 4:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping..



I had to look at their web site to remind me what's going on there.

They don't use 4 polarities, they use 2.ï¿1Ž2 They're not running 4x4 MIMO, 
they're running 2x2 MIMO X 2.ï¿1Ž2 So they use two radios at each end, and two 
separate channels.

--
bp



On 12/19/2014 2:32 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote:

So anyone who did the beta on these want to do a writeup for the list?

Is the 4x4 all different circular polarization variants? Kinda looks like it 
from the funny antenna elements.

ï¿1Ž2

Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/>
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com <mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com>

ï¿1Ž2

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping..

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

This is what I want and should be possible from looking at the data.

But as there are testers on this forum it might not be neccesary to do 
guesswork ;-)).





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af
Gesendet: Montag, 22. Dezember 2014 13:34
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping..



I would expect it to be seamless as the radio still has connectivity on one 
channel during all of this.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>



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From: "Eric Kuhnke via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 3:48:20 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping..

I'm curious to see what the seamless channel change looks like in terms of 
"hiccup" across each side of an OSPF /30 between a pair of routers...  How many 
milliseconds of weirdness, if you're logged into a router console on one end 
and pinging the other?



On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 8:15 AM, Stefan Englhardt via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

Are there still NDAs or can you share you’re experience?

Esp. the advanced features like background channel scan with seamless channel 
change and overall stability.

Does channel reuse work, how does it coexist with a ePMP on nearby channels …





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] Im Auftrag 
von Rory Conaway via Af
Gesendet: Samstag, 20. Dezember 2014 04:14
An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping..



Chuck is doing more long range testing and we are testing more for relaying, 
higher density deployment for a different model.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 4:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping..



I had to look at their web site to remind me what's going on there.

They don't use 4 polarities, they use 2.� They're not running 4x4 MIMO, 
they're running 2x2 MIMO X 2.� So they use two radios at each end, and two 
separate channels.

--
bp



On 12/19/2014 2:32 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote:

So anyone who did the beta on these want to do a writeup for the list?

Is the 4x4 all different circular polarization variants? Kinda looks like it 
from the funny antenna elements.

�

Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/>
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com <mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com>

�

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping..

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

Are there still NDAs or can you share you're experience?

Esp. the advanced features like background channel scan with seamless channel 
change and overall stability.

Does channel reuse work, how does it coexist with a ePMP on nearby channels ...





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Rory Conaway via Af
Gesendet: Samstag, 20. Dezember 2014 04:14
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping..



Chuck is doing more long range testing and we are testing more for relaying, 
higher density deployment for a different model.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 4:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping..



I had to look at their web site to remind me what's going on there.

They don't use 4 polarities, they use 2.� They're not running 4x4 MIMO, 
they're running 2x2 MIMO X 2.� So they use two radios at each end, and two 
separate channels.

--
bp



On 12/19/2014 2:32 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote:

So anyone who did the beta on these want to do a writeup for the list?

Is the 4x4 all different circular polarization variants? Kinda looks like it 
from the funny antenna elements.

�

Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

�

Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

I put it in my pocket. It is easier to handle. I dont wear a watch. I dont like 
to wear glasses but I have to. So I use a Samsung S4 mini LTE as it has a good 
size. If i need a bigger device I take a tablet.





Von: Tyler Treat via Af
Gesendet: ‎Sonntag‎, ‎21‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎14‎:‎34
An: Tyler Treat via Af





Who puts phones in their pockets? Women put theirs in their purse or leave them 
in random places where they are not so you can't possibly reach them and men 
use cases\holsters that go on their belt. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Sean Heskett via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 12:31:51 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF 

When I saw the 6+ at the Apple Store I thought it was way over 
sized...especially sinc e it wouldn't fit in pants pockets. 




On Saturday, December 20, 2014, Tushar Patel via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 




Did you try and/or considered 6 plus? 


I am considering 6 plus, I don't need to carry iPad ( mainly for reading). 

Tushar 



On Dec 20, 2014, at 10:05 PM, Sean Heskett via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 




Just upgraded to an iphone6 and I love it. It was a little big at first 
compared to my 5s but now I don't think I could go back. 


The only reason I say it's "big" is because sometimes it's hard to use one 
handed and stretch your thumb all the way to the top of the screen. Nothing 
else about the phone is big...it's actually very slim when in my pocket etc. 


We use AT&T because they have the best coverage and speeds in NW CO. 




Sean 



On Saturday, December 20, 2014, Chuck McCown via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 






Huge holiday discussion at my house. Two members of the family need new phones. 

I have never been a big Apple fan but the only smart phone I have ever owned is 
an iPhone 4. 
Still have it. Charge it once a week. Fat, dumb and happy. 

Wife uses a Samsung Galaxy Infuse and needs a new phone. 
I have some kids that have iPhones and we all like the find friends apps so we 
can spy on each other. 
One kid has lost his phone and needs a new one. That kid and my wife are 
shopping for phones and plans. Kid is OK with Apple products. His mother has 
anxiety about leaving Android. Kinda like I want her to vote Democrat or join 
PETA... 

(Which is totally weird as I associate Apple with Birkenstock wearing, 
Dreadlocks, Cigarette Smoking, BA degrees, Wine, Liberal, Democrat, Tree Hugger 
and folks that use crystals to align their chakras). 

We are all on a pay as you go “mobile value share” plan with AT&T. 

No matter what we decide I get to pay. The new phones are pretty expensive. But 
they will amortize depending on the plan. 
Too lazy to even attempt to understand the plans from the different carriers, 
the different phones, etc etc. 

I have used less than 0.01 GB of data in the last month. Phone are for talking 
on. But I realize that my buggy whip factory stock is probably worthless too. 
So my opinion as to features is irrelevant as I still read books printed on 
plant matter. (I do like the built in camera and a solar panel orientation and 
location app) (And a hymn book...) 

But I would like to get a good value. I care more about price than features or 
OS. Not so the rest of the clan. (As in Scottish Clan, OK, not Klan). So if 
anyone can help me pick a direction It would be appreciated. 

[AFMUG] epmp 2.3.3

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

We were brave and upgraded a bunch of SMs  ...

There is still a routing problem when using separate IP for managment in 
NAT-Mode.

Management Interface is working but using the normal IP Standard Gateway does 
not work.

So you think all is ok as you reach the SM but customer calls ...

Back to 2.3.1-rc7 now.



Looks like they adapted to the MT-Way of testing :(

Re: [AFMUG] TCP Speed

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

Oh sorry, should be a PM to Daniel



Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Stefan Englhardt via Af
Gesendet: Montag, 15. Dezember 2014 15:06
An: Daniel Gerlach via Af
Betreff: [AFMUG] TCP Speed



Hi,



in den ePMP Releasenotes findet sich mit #7122 auch ein Problem

bei dem der TCP throughput um bis zu 25% runter geht.

Das soll in 2.3.1 behoben worden sein.



Mikrotik hat auch so ein Problem mit nv2 das schon seit 6.x besteht.

Bei einer Strecke sieht's noch gut aus aber mit jeder weiteren summiert

sich das Problem auf. Das kann man nur lösen in dem man Mikrotik rauswirft.

http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=460397 
<http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=460397&f=1#p460397> &f=1#p460397

Mikrotik tut dann immer so als wäre das was Neues.



cu,

Stefan



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[AFMUG] TCP Speed

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

Hi,



in den ePMP Releasenotes findet sich mit #7122 auch ein Problem

bei dem der TCP throughput um bis zu 25% runter geht.

Das soll in 2.3.1 behoben worden sein.



Mikrotik hat auch so ein Problem mit nv2 das schon seit 6.x besteht.

Bei einer Strecke sieht's noch gut aus aber mit jeder weiteren summiert

sich das Problem auf. Das kann man nur lösen in dem man Mikrotik rauswirft.

http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=460397 
 &f=1#p460397

Mikrotik tut dann immer so als wäre das was Neues.



cu,

Stefan



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Tel: +49 941 942798-0Fax: +49 941 942798-9

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

They sit there reading the project plan written by a marketing guy. Whining all 
day long ;-)).





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 14:26
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..



Maybe I can fly a quadcopter by their windows and peer in?  :-p



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



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From: "Josh Reynolds via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:04:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is silently 
sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing.

:P

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:

I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac vendors 
are seeing with the new OOBE rules.  The 450 is able to provide a better 
performance within the new environment so there will still be a differentiator. 
 The only question if it’s worth the difference.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM
To: Josh Luthman via Af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..



.AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. Others do. 
epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and applications 
where 450 does not meet the price point.



Von: Josh Luthman via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Gesendet: ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎04‎:‎00
An: Josh Luthman via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>



An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would be
fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when
it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to outshine
the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC
ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc).

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> >
wrote:

>  The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac.
>
>
> *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> >
> *Gesendet:* ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎01‎:‎39
> *An:* Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> >
>
> I hope Cambium is listing on this point.
>
> Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price
> point.
>
> They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too.
>
> Tushar
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
> > Yes no maybe.
>
> I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the competitive
> fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed licenses.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

Yes. And both product lines have to go forward to stay in the market / gain a 
bigger market.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 10:06
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..





They each have their placeright?

- Original Message -

From: Colin Stanners via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:00 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..



An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would be 
fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when it 
has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to outshine the 
more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC ePMP is 
unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc).



On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac.





Von: Josh Luthman via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Gesendet: ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎01‎:‎39
An: Josh Luthman via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>



I hope Cambium is listing on this point.

Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price point.

They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too.

Tushar

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Peter Kranz via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

> Yes no maybe.

I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the competitive fire 
under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed licenses.

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

.AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. Others do. 
epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and applications 
where 450 does not meet the price point. 







Von: Josh Luthman via Af
Gesendet: ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎04‎:‎00
An: Josh Luthman via Af





An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would be
fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when
it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to outshine
the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC
ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc).

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af 
wrote:

>  The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac.
>
>
> *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af 
> *Gesendet:* ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎01‎:‎39
> *An:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>
> I hope Cambium is listing on this point.
>
> Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price
> point.
>
> They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too.
>
> Tushar
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
> > Yes no maybe.
>
> I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the competitive
> fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed licenses.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac.








Von: Josh Luthman via Af
Gesendet: ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎01‎:‎39
An: Josh Luthman via Af





I hope Cambium is listing on this point.

Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price point.

They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too.

Tushar

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

> Yes no maybe.

I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the competitive fire 
under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed licenses.

Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

You dont need to attach the antenna. This does not hurt. Even at full power. 
Just do the complete settings in lab.

You should have the FCC paper to see the parameters. At least you need to know 
what side is the Low/High Frequency.  TX power and ATPC may be regulated.



Do an exact calculation of elevation and azimuth and use a compass/electronic 
spirit to have a good starting point for installation. A 4 footer has a very 
narrow beam. You never know which side is off until you get a signal.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af
Sent: Friday, December 5, 2014 4:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup



We havent used SAF or done licensed before



Im getting ready to bench configure this link, are there any caveats to it?

 As I understand it from the manual, these ship with transmit turned off, so 
powering them up wont hurt anything, I just set them side by side with the 
flanges facing upward and turn the power on to the minimum tx power, this wont 
hurt them to be transmitting with no antenna load attached? If I leave them on 
for an extended timeframe will it harm them in this fashion?



Im assuming the license gives use permission to install these at maximum radio 
power? we dont have anything in hand from FCC so I dont know, all I know is we 
have approval on the link.



Any gotchas to setting these up or installing them, beyond figuring out how to 
get a 4 foot antenna to the top of the grain elevator without denting it



--

All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

>Does it work?



With all promised features.




On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Chuck Hogg via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

Well...I just got told I could disclose this information...



"Official position, units start shipping to EAP customers by the end of this 
week."



Secondly, I was given permission to disclose we have deployed 4 PtP links 
already of both B5 and B5C...questions?




Regards,
Chuck



On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

Unlike some vendors, I think they are just taking their time on the firmware to 
make sure it’s right.  It’s kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don’t 
scenario.  If you remember, it took several Ubiquiti quite a long time on the M 
series to get past some chipset features and the Quantenna chipset is pretty 
new.  They are blazing the trail here the same as the Cambium products.  
Remember the delays on the 450 due to hardware?  At this point I only get 
annoyed if I don’t know if there is any progress like AirControl or the 12 
month old Beta firmware on AirGateways.  Considering I’m using boatloads of 
them, I’d like to see it come out of Beta someday.



Rory





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Stefan Englhardt via Af
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa



Got a call from our distributor. Next delivery date for our B5 link

is mid of January. Hope they have enough capital to live without

selling anything. We’ve not paid anything so we’ve no real problem

with this.

[AFMUG] Mimosa

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

Got a call from our distributor. Next delivery date for our B5 link

is mid of January. Hope they have enough capital to live without

selling anything. We've not paid anything so we've no real problem

with this.

[AFMUG] WG: ePMP Disconnects

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

Got no answer to this so nobody has the problem (or noticed it).

I've exchanged the SM and now the problem is gone.



So it has to be a hardware fault at the wireless part of  the SM which causes

disconnects under load. There is no other sign (low signal) that gives a hint

to a problem. It just drops the connection when there is bulk traffic for a 
while

(20-60s) and reconnects after this.





>How does ePMP work for you?



>We've a testsite with ePMP connected to a UBNT Omni and only one CPE connected.

>(LOS -70db signal due to distance).

>We've had disconnects due to false Radar Detects with older FW.

>Now we have disconnects when pushing a lot of Traffic for a short period of 
>time.

>

>CPE Disconnects, does channel clear detection and then reconnects.

>

>At this tower we've free channels. Tested with all possible settings.

>Cambium support do tests for weeks now and do not come to a solution.

>

>Is this a special problem of this location or do you see this behavior 
>elsewhere?

Re: [AFMUG] CNUT for Macintosh

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

Dont want to start a Apple/MS discussion. We use Windows just because of this. 
Winbox, Cnut, Radwin Manager, Dude, …  








Von: Josh Luthman via Af
Gesendet: ‎Freitag‎, ‎21‎. ‎November‎ ‎2014 ‎21‎:‎29
An: Josh Luthman via Af





yes that's what i'm doing but i'd like for more of our office staff to be
able to access CNUT and installing parallels and keeping windows working
properly is an arduous task.

much easier to just run a native Mac app (well Java actually) than to fire
up winblows etc etc.

there's a linux version so i don't see why it'd be difficult to make a mac
version.

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Eric Muehleisen via Af 
wrote:

> +1. I run CNUT in parallels with coherent mode. Looks just like a MAC
> window. I do the same with Winbox. The MAC ports for Winbox are awful. Very
> slow and buggy.
>
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af 
> wrote:
>
>> Or fire up Parallels …
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Joe via Af
>> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 21. November 2014 20:26
>> *An:* af@afmug.com
>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] CNUT for Macintosh
>>
>>
>>
>> It would be cheaper if they bought you a netbook with windows and
>> overnight shipped it to you.
>>
>>
>>
>> $200 vs $20,000
>>
>>
>>
>> And throw in a couple free $20 dollar license keys too!
>>
>>
>>
>> ((ducking))
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Sean Heskett via Af
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 1:09 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] CNUT for Macintosh
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Cambium,
>>
>>
>>
>> Since CNUT is a Java program and you support the Macintosh with a lot of
>> your other software (i.e. link planner) can you make a version of CNUT that
>> runs on the Mac???
>>
>>
>>
>> I know a few years ago someone hacked a version together and it worked so
>> it should be possible since it's Java.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> sean
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] CNUT for Macintosh

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

Or fire up Parallels …





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Joe via Af
Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2014 20:26
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] CNUT for Macintosh



It would be cheaper if they bought you a netbook with windows and overnight 
shipped it to you.



$200 vs $20,000



And throw in a couple free $20 dollar license keys too!



((ducking))



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett via Af
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 1:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com  ; memb...@wispa.org 

Subject: [AFMUG] CNUT for Macintosh



Dear Cambium,



Since CNUT is a Java program and you support the Macintosh with a lot of your 
other software (i.e. link planner) can you make a version of CNUT that runs on 
the Mac???



I know a few years ago someone hacked a version together and it worked so it 
should be possible since it's Java.



Thanks,

sean

Re: [AFMUG] What can cause Rx signal drop like this on 900 SM

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

I've seen this on e.g. radwin with interference.
Might be the calculation of rx-power is not correct
with interference in some cases.


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-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Matt Jenkins via Af
Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2014 18:53
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] What can cause Rx signal drop like this on 900 SM

Interference shouldn't cause a drop in DB level.


Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 11/21/2014 09:47 AM, David via Af wrote:
> That or neighbouring wisp with other gear.
> �
> On 11/21/2014 10:27 AM, Jerry Richardson via Af wrote:
>>
>> That my first guess as well, alignment.
>>
>> �
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> via Af
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 8:24 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What can cause Rx signal drop like this on 900
>> SM
>>
>> �
>>
>> We have seen this when a tree or branch fell on the SM.� Saw
>> something like this when the SM was mounted on a tree and the tree
>> fell down (amazingly, the SM stayed registered, even though the yagi
>> was pointing into the ground).
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>> �
>>
>> On 11/21/2014 7:12 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote:
>>
>> Attached Cacti plots show a sudden and significant drop in Rx
>> signal from -56 to -65 around 10pm yesterday.� What can cause
>> such a change?� The graphic shows 24 hours.� The SM says it
>> has been registered for 21 hours since we rebooted AP to change
>> channel so the gap in the middle is not a re-reg.� Must be a
>> sample Cacti missed or is it?� Is it a coincidence this missing
>> sample happens right when the signal level changes?� This is a
>> P10 900 SM.� SM and AP running 13.1.3.� Link test is
>> currently 100x100.� 0.3 miles from AP through some trees.�
>> Very rural location.� AP at 65 feet AGL.� SM at 25 feet.�
>> Eight other SMs on this same AP show absolutely no change in
>> their signals when this specific SM has such a dramatic
>> change.� Nothing special about weather last night.� This SM
>> has been having these Rx signal swings for about 3 weeks.� AP
>> has SM Tx power control set to -64.
>>
>> �
>>
>> On the previous channel it would drop when signal was at lower
>> tier so we made this channel change.� None of the SMs hint at
>> interference on any channel although another SM showed signs of
>> interference too.� Our next closest 900 AP is 8.1 miles.�
>> This SM reports beacon from only one AP.� All AP�s are GPS
>> synced.
>>
>> �
>>
>> �
>>
>> PC
>>
>> Blaze Broadband
>>
>> �
>>
>> �
>>
>

[AFMUG] ePMP Disconnects

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

How does ePMP work for you?



We've a testsite with ePMP connected to a UBNT Omni and only one CPE connected.

(LOS -70db signal due to distance).

We've had disconnects due to false Radar Detects with older FW.

Now we have disconnects when pushing a lot of Traffic for a short period of 
time.



CPE Disconnects, does channel clear detection and then reconnects.



At this tower we've free channels. Tested with all possible settings.

Cambium support do tests for weeks now and do not come to a solution.



Is this a special problem of this location or do you see this behavior 
elsewhere?

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

This announcement tells that it would be possible to use this stuff indoor 
behind a window and get 500+ Mbps.

Modern Windows do more harm to signal than walls as they often have metal 
isolation included.

You have to install a BS in front of every window to make this come true.



At least now it is clear that this company sells hope and not true products.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Jason McKemie via Af
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. November 2014 09:25
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again



Allowing customers to install their own CPE is a bad idea in any unlicensed 
frequency, both for your network as well as the spectrum in general.


On Wednesday, November 12, 2014, Stefan Englhardt via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

Now Mimosa announced an indoor window mountable CPE:



„Mimosa's C5i just changed urban Internet forever! Never wait on your service 
provider install again. Self-install in seconds and experience 500+ Mbps!“



To the mimosa Fans: How they change physics to make 5GHz penetrate through 
windows. We have not much

luck doing this with 3,5GHz licensed, beamforming and high power.

[AFMUG] Mimosa did it again

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

Now Mimosa announced an indoor window mountable CPE:



"Mimosa's C5i just changed urban Internet forever! Never wait on your service 
provider install again. Self-install in seconds and experience 500+ Mbps!"



To the mimosa Fans: How they change physics to make 5GHz penetrate through 
windows. We have not much

luck doing this with 3,5GHz licensed, beamforming and high power.

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

Not in 3,5GHz. I dont see any big operator using this band. Heard China uses it 
but not seen any reports.

Show me a handset which does 3,5GHz TDD-LTE ...





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Gino Villarini via Af
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. November 2014 15:11
An: 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ



You Think there are not high volumes of LTE chipsets

Gino A. Villarini

@gvillarini






On Nov 5, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

I have always scratched my head over the idea that Ubiquiti and Cambium don't 
have the volume for custom silicon.  But if it's true, why would fixed LTE have 
sufficient volume?  Unless there's a giant service provider planning to deploy 
it, like an AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, DISH, etc. for their fixed wireless service. 
 Or unless there's some huge volume in the international market, but supposedly 
that's where the WiMAX market was.  It would have to be high volume plus non 
standard for fixed wireless.  Or someone would have to convince a standards 
based LTE chip maker to roll non standard hooks into their chip so fixed 
wireless could leverage the volumes of mobile wireless.



Typically the FPGA vendors like Altera have a push-the-button path to ASIC, but 
Cambium evidently doesn't have the volume to justify that.  Or so they claim.  
That approach does kind of freeze your feature set though, now the software 
defined part is only what you can change in the CPU firmware, not the FPGA 
design, even bug fixes and performance tweaks.





From: Rory Conaway via Af 

Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 7:50 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ



The general path is either a chipset based CPE based on something like a 
handset chipset (not the best idea since it locks down a lot of things and the 
PHY layer really sucks for high-interference environments), FPGA or other 
hardware based SDR client and then move to a chipset to get the second 
generation cost down once the PHY layer is written the way you want it.  I 
thought White Space vendors were going to pursue that path for example.  LTE is 
a lot harder since there is a lot more work that has to be done on the PHY 
layer.   LTE is the best option but proprietary LTE with various techniques, 
some of which are no-brainers, some of which are going to require serious 
out-the-box ideas, would give LTE the best chance when it moves from rural to 
urban.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 6:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ



Exactly, can they do proprietary CPE?



From: Jason McKemie via Af 

Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 12:18 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ



The latency is in the standard, so they would have to deviate from it.  Being 
SDR, I suppose they theoretically could, I just haven't seen it happen yet.  
Presumably the CPE are built around a standards based chipset, so it would 
probably mean an increase in price for those as well.



On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

Why do you say the latency would be significantly higher?  That's manufacturer 
dependent since they aren't locked to the full cellular PHY.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Jason McKemie via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ



The 450 is going to smoke the Telrad from a latency standpoint.  This is a big 
downside to this gear IMO.  If someone would optimize LTE for use in a fixed 
environment you could possibly get better latency, but I'm not seeing that 
happening.



On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Matt via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> 
> wrote:

Is anyone looking at both these options?  Pros and cons of one vs
other?  Throughput, Sync, Interference, spectrum efficiency, cost etc?

What I really wander is can you bond two non adjacent 10MHZ channels
with Telrad to make a 20MHZ channel?  I know you cannot with 450 and
it might become very useful down the road.  Right now with 450 and a
perfect connection on a 20MHZ channel we can do around 80Mbps
downstream per sector.  With a 10MHZ channel and not so perfect
connections that is really getting cut back.

Also, right now we can do ABAB quite easily with 450 gear.  With LTE
can we do  where spectrum is scarce?

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

>These are Huawei radios?



No. They are made by Alvarion and sold to Telrad.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt via Af
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 6:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ



Thats what the SDR people are talking.



But this chipsets all have limits. So this is a TDD Radio and stays a TDD Radio.

It does 64QAM max and this will not change with firmware …



So dont expect more than 50Mbit aggregated on a 10MHz Channel. And dont

expect the features of full blown FDD LTE Basestations from Huawai et al.



At the time this radio belongs to alvarion it promised 2x10MHz Channels for 
WiMAX.

Is this implemented now (Should be no problem with SDR Radio ;-)) ?



I dont have heard any benchmarked numbers from telrad which gives hope this 
radio will do

much better than a wimax radio







Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Rory Conaway via Af
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. November 2014 14:09
An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ



That’s just it, it’s not built around a standard chipset.  They can cut over 
from WiMax to LTE with just firmware and there is no reason not to deviate 
since the PHY doesn’t have to be compatible with anything else.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 11:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ



The latency is in the standard, so they would have to deviate from it.  Being 
SDR, I suppose they theoretically could, I just haven't seen it happen yet.  
Presumably the CPE are built around a standards based chipset, so it would 
probably mean an increase in price for those as well.



On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

Why do you say the latency would be significantly higher?  That’s manufacturer 
dependent since they aren’t locked to the full cellular PHY.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Jason McKemie via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ



The 450 is going to smoke the Telrad from a latency standpoint.  This is a big 
downside to this gear IMO.  If someone would optimize LTE for use in a fixed 
environment you could possibly get better latency, but I'm not seeing that 
happening.



On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Matt via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> 
> wrote:

Is anyone looking at both these options?  Pros and cons of one vs
other?  Throughput, Sync, Interference, spectrum efficiency, cost etc?

What I really wander is can you bond two non adjacent 10MHZ channels
with Telrad to make a 20MHZ channel?  I know you cannot with 450 and
it might become very useful down the road.  Right now with 450 and a
perfect connection on a 20MHZ channel we can do around 80Mbps
downstream per sector.  With a 10MHZ channel and not so perfect
connections that is really getting cut back.

Also, right now we can do ABAB quite easily with 450 gear.  With LTE
can we do  where spectrum is scarce?

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

Thats what the SDR people are talking.



But this chipsets all have limits. So this is a TDD Radio and stays a TDD Radio.

It does 64QAM max and this will not change with firmware …



So dont expect more than 50Mbit aggregated on a 10MHz Channel. And dont

expect the features of full blown FDD LTE Basestations from Huawai et al.



At the time this radio belongs to alvarion it promised 2x10MHz Channels for 
WiMAX.

Is this implemented now (Should be no problem with SDR Radio ;-)) ?



I dont have heard any benchmarked numbers from telrad which gives hope this 
radio will do

much better than a wimax radio







Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Rory Conaway via Af
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. November 2014 14:09
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ



That’s just it, it’s not built around a standard chipset.  They can cut over 
from WiMax to LTE with just firmware and there is no reason not to deviate 
since the PHY doesn’t have to be compatible with anything else.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 11:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ



The latency is in the standard, so they would have to deviate from it.  Being 
SDR, I suppose they theoretically could, I just haven't seen it happen yet.  
Presumably the CPE are built around a standards based chipset, so it would 
probably mean an increase in price for those as well.



On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

Why do you say the latency would be significantly higher?  That’s manufacturer 
dependent since they aren’t locked to the full cellular PHY.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Jason McKemie via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ



The 450 is going to smoke the Telrad from a latency standpoint.  This is a big 
downside to this gear IMO.  If someone would optimize LTE for use in a fixed 
environment you could possibly get better latency, but I'm not seeing that 
happening.



On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Matt via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> 
> wrote:

Is anyone looking at both these options?  Pros and cons of one vs
other?  Throughput, Sync, Interference, spectrum efficiency, cost etc?

What I really wander is can you bond two non adjacent 10MHZ channels
with Telrad to make a 20MHZ channel?  I know you cannot with 450 and
it might become very useful down the road.  Right now with 450 and a
perfect connection on a 20MHZ channel we can do around 80Mbps
downstream per sector.  With a 10MHZ channel and not so perfect
connections that is really getting cut back.

Also, right now we can do ABAB quite easily with 450 gear.  With LTE
can we do  where spectrum is scarce?

Re: [AFMUG] New Toy

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

60up/60down with fixed offset 100MHz in one Polarisation.

Should be reusable like 38GHz. (Angle > 30%, or different Pol).





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Lambie via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 10:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Toy



How wide is the channel for full throughput in the US?



On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 6:41 AM, Jaime Solorza via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

Nice. Thx

Jaime Solorza

On Nov 4, 2014 6:37 AM, "Stefan Englhardt via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

With our ETSI power limits I should see up to 300Mbps (128QAM) both ways.

At the moment I see „only“ 240 Mbps (64QAM). The polarisation is

shown wrong. Signal is exactly as calculated. Talking to support now to wrench 
out

some Mbps. In US I would see 470Mbps on this link.



Latency as always <1ms.



Happy to move another link out of the 5GHz Band.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] Im Auftrag 
von Jaime Solorza via Af
Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. November 2014 14:19
An: Animal Farm
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] New Toy



Cool. Curious to see much you can push through link.

Jaime Solorza

On Nov 3, 2014 9:39 PM, "Stefan Englhardt via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

one mile





Von: Jay Weekley via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Gesendet: ‎Dienstag‎, ‎4‎. ‎November‎ ‎2014 ‎04‎:‎57
An: Jay Weekley via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>



Welcher Entfernung

Jaime Solorza
On Nov 3, 2014 12:17 PM, "Stefan Englhardt via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

> Integra 24GHz. Love it. Easy to mount. No need to crimp. Small profile.
> I will mount the second side tomorrow and see how it performs.
>
>




--
--
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Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>

Re: [AFMUG] New Toy

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

With our ETSI power limits I should see up to 300Mbps (128QAM) both ways.

At the moment I see „only“ 240 Mbps (64QAM). The polarisation is

shown wrong. Signal is exactly as calculated. Talking to support now to wrench 
out

some Mbps. In US I would see 470Mbps on this link.



Latency as always <1ms.



Happy to move another link out of the 5GHz Band.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Jaime Solorza via Af
Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. November 2014 14:19
An: Animal Farm
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] New Toy



Cool. Curious to see much you can push through link.

Jaime Solorza

On Nov 3, 2014 9:39 PM, "Stefan Englhardt via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

one mile





Von: Jay Weekley via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Gesendet: ‎Dienstag‎, ‎4‎. ‎November‎ ‎2014 ‎04‎:‎57
An: Jay Weekley via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>



Welcher Entfernung

Jaime Solorza
On Nov 3, 2014 12:17 PM, "Stefan Englhardt via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

> Integra 24GHz. Love it. Easy to mount. No need to crimp. Small profile.
> I will mount the second side tomorrow and see how it performs.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] New Toy

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

one mile








Von: Jay Weekley via Af
Gesendet: ‎Dienstag‎, ‎4‎. ‎November‎ ‎2014 ‎04‎:‎57
An: Jay Weekley via Af





Welcher Entfernung

Jaime Solorza
On Nov 3, 2014 12:17 PM, "Stefan Englhardt via Af"  wrote:

> Integra 24GHz. Love it. Easy to mount. No need to crimp. Small profile.
> I will mount the second side tomorrow and see how it performs.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

.a has only 54Mbit/s Phy rate. RB800 is quite powerful.

With N/AC you see a lot more cpu work.



With TDMA protocol the cpu has to work in fixed cycles with low latency.

So if it is busy while it has to send the next map for the cpes at an exact 
timing

the whole sector suffers.



So the cpu should stay at a low level to keep the protocol running.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 20:22
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio 
utilization or duty cycle meters



The CPU usage doesn't tell you RF congestion, retransmits, etc. It just tells 
you how busy the CPU is. If you're running NV2 on an A card in an RB800, your 
CPU is going to be low, but your radio is going to be very busy and yet not 
including that information.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>



  _____

From: "Stefan Englhardt via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:19:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio
utilization or duty cycle meters

This is not quite right. TDMA Protocols like NV2 and Airmax are CPU limited.





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Tel: +49 941 942798-0Fax: +49 941 942798-9



Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 20:09
An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio 
utilization or duty cycle meters



CPU is largely unrelated to what the radio is doing.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>

  _

From: "Bill Prince via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:05:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio 
utilization or duty cycle meters

You can get a CPU load metric from UBNT radios (example below).
  
<http://127.0.0.1:58274/service/home/%7E/?auth=co&id=1de3965e-b725-4c61-b23b-9b05aabb2124:31900&part=2.2>

bp

On 10/30/2014 11:22 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:

I want to see utilization or duty cycle meters. Tell me how busy the AP is so I 
know how much more can fit... and break down into different categories why it's 
busy. TX, Rx, retransmit, overhead, MCS 15, MCS 0, which stations are using 
what percent, etc.

I'd say that knowing how busy the radio is is more important than knowing how 
many bits are flowing through it.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>

Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio utilization or duty cycle meters

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

This is not quite right. TDMA Protocols like NV2 and Airmax are CPU limited.





- GENIAS INTERNET --   www.genias.net --

Stefan Englhardt Email:   s...@genias.net

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Tel: +49 941 942798-0Fax: +49 941 942798-9



Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 20:09
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio 
utilization or duty cycle meters



CPU is largely unrelated to what the radio is doing.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

   
  
  




  _

From: "Bill Prince via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com> >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:05:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Feature Request of all radio manufacturers: Radio 
utilization or duty cycle meters

You can get a CPU load metric from UBNT radios (example below).
  


bp

On 10/30/2014 11:22 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:

I want to see utilization or duty cycle meters. Tell me how busy the AP is so I 
know how much more can fit... and break down into different categories why it's 
busy. TX, Rx, retransmit, overhead, MCS 15, MCS 0, which stations are using 
what percent, etc.

I'd say that knowing how busy the radio is is more important than knowing how 
many bits are flowing through it.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

   
  
  

Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

The 850x2 has a small L2MTU which renders it useless for MPLS/VPLS …





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 16:29
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik



Like if they made the 850x2 a UP version?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

   
  
  




  _

From: "Mathew Howard via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com> >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:38:44 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

And at least some of those POE out ports need to be Gigabit.

I really, really wish Mikrotik would make a bigger, better version of the 
RB750UP... it's a great design, but it needs to a bit more power (and 
gigabit)... more ports would be nice too, but at least I can just use a whole 
stack of them to get around that.

  _

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Paul McCall via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

And POE Out as an option on a bunch of ports !!



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber 
Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik



Me want.. CCR1009?, dual AC or DC power supplies, 4 SFP or SFP+ slots, two 
5-port copper GigE switch groups. 4 backhauls, 8 sectors and two extra ports 
for whatever.

On 10/29/2014 8:02 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote:

Mikrotik are you listening... Knock knock...
I also want all these style boards or at least the CCR to have a Terminal jack 
near the AC power port (You know the little green ones with screws in them 
)..�
For DC input up to 30Volts or even 48volt would be great. Why is it so hard to 
have a little thing like that :(



On 10/29/2014 5:59 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

RB493, RB2011, RB1100, RB1200.



bp

On 10/29/2014 3:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote:

�

OK, i need a board that has more than 5 ports on it that is also powered via 
POE.

does such a beast exist?� Hook me up with a model # please

�

thanks

�





--

Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

Yes. Or use hardened Switches with POE. Planet/KTI/MOXA have them.

More expensive but likely the've a better MTBF than RB750UP and

.af/.at compatibility.



Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mathew Howard via Af
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 15:39
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik



And at least some of those POE out ports need to be Gigabit.

I really, really wish Mikrotik would make a bigger, better version of the 
RB750UP... it's a great design, but it needs to a bit more power (and 
gigabit)... more ports would be nice too, but at least I can just use a whole 
stack of them to get around that.

  _

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Paul McCall via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik

And POE Out as an option on a bunch of ports !!



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber 
Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik



Me want.. CCR1009?, dual AC or DC power supplies, 4 SFP or SFP+ slots, two 
5-port copper GigE switch groups. 4 backhauls, 8 sectors and two extra ports 
for whatever.

On 10/29/2014 8:02 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote:

Mikrotik are you listening... Knock knock...
I also want all these style boards or at least the CCR to have a Terminal jack 
near the AC power port (You know the little green ones with screws in them 
)..�
For DC input up to 30Volts or even 48volt would be great. Why is it so hard to 
have a little thing like that :(



On 10/29/2014 5:59 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

RB493, RB2011, RB1100, RB1200.



bp

On 10/29/2014 3:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote:

�

OK, i need a board that has more than 5 ports on it that is also powered via 
POE.

does such a beast exist?� Hook me up with a model # please

�

thanks

�





--

Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

We get the same channels in 38GHz at the same location in different directions.

So if the frequency planning is good there is a lot of frequency.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Caleb Knauer via Af
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014 13:52
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently



Yeah it's getting a bit crowded even in markets that you'd think would be 
pretty open.  Not bad yet but getting there.  10 years from now we'll be in 
rocking chairs remembering the good old days when there were open channel pairs 
as far as the eye could see.



On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

Assuming channels are available (for either XPIC implementation).  ;-)



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

   
  
  



  _


From: "Daniel White via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com> >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 11:39:00 PM


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently

That we have announced, of course.

Of course we also don't announce radios then don't have inventory for 6 months 
either.  We don't even talk roadmap under NDA for things that are less than a 
realistic 6 months out.

FYI Integra does support LAG (or PLA as other vendors call it) and I'd also 
argue 2+0 at $10k less is a lot more attractive than 1+0 with no hardware 
redundancy.  And no software keys.  And a 5 year warranty.

Our 11GHz implementation is coming along very well.  Trust me, the wait will be 
worth it.

Daniel White – Managing Director
SAF North America LLC

Cell:  (303) 746-3590 
Skype: danieldwhite
daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com 


> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On 
> Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 2:33 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
>
> Last time I looked at SAF Integra it didn't do 1gig in 11ghz on one channel 
> with
> XPIC. Also I don't have to combine the data at the bottom of the tower. Its 
> all
> one radio interface which is much easier for routing. For us those were huge
> requirements. Exalt has done that for a couple of years. PTP820c looks better
> since it will have full QoS control and OAM.
>
> Matthew Jenkins
> SmarterBroadband
> m...@sbbinc.net 
> 530.272.4000 
>
> On 10/29/2014 10:28 AM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote:
> > matt i'd suggest looking at the SAF integra.  You could almost buy 2
> > links for the prices you quoted from the other brands ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 6:54 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af  > 
> >  >> wrote:
> >
> > All will do 1gbps. I think these are listed in order of price. I
> > am using Exalt now. Looking heavily at the PTP820c for QoS and OAM
> > features.
> >
> > Cambium PTP820c with 80mhz channels, 1024QAM(~$23k)
> > Exalt ExtremeAir with XPIC and 80mhz channel, 256QAM (~$25k)
> > Ceragon IP20c, 60mhz channels, 2048QAM (I think this is about
> > $35k?)
> >
> > Matthew Jenkins
> > SmarterBroadband
> > m...@sbbinc.net    >  >
> > 530.272.4000>
> >
> > On 10/28/2014 10:41 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote:
> >
> > What's the top 3 fastest single radio's available right now?
> > I'm assuming it will be 80mhz and 2048qam+?
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Bill Prince via Af
> > mailto:af@afmug.com>   >  > 
> >  >>> wrote:
> >
> > Or thereabouts.  Our newest link was engineered for -43.
> > No smoke.
> >
> > bp
> >
> > On 10/28/2014 4:37 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
> >
> > What do ya engineer it for? Most of the licensed stuff
> > I've dealt
> > with has been engineered to be hotter than -40.
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > http://www.ics-il.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>  >
> omputingSolutionsDeKalb> -
> > computing-solutions>
> >
> >
> > 
> > 
> >  

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa pipe dream?

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

>Being technically disruptive doesn't mean its all flying unicorns! I'm too a 
>little skeptical, but I'll say that Mimosa has a promising proposition. I'll 
>imagine they'll have a software >ramp up period.



>UBNT, Cambium and others have a lot to catch up



That's not fair. UBNT and Cambium have products in the market.

You cant compare a product in the market with an announced product.



By the time Mimosa will have it's PTMP Product in the market (they announce it 
for late next year)

cambium and UBNT will have evolved further. No one will buy a 11n based product 
end of next year.



We'll see if mimosa b5 will be better than PTP650 you are able to buy now.





I am a little negative as I dont like this "we are disruptive and better then 
everybody else"-marketing.

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa pipe dream?

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

Yes. They made a wishlist and made promises out of it.



As this is all not implemented by now they cant even know if all

of this will work like they want it to work. They may see (like others)

that there are some limitations in the chipset, they may loose financing,

they my loose developers ….



As a user of PMP320, Purewave, UBNT, Mikrotik, Cambium, Radwin, …

I see a lot of promises which does not come true.



I see Mikrotik making things worse which each ROS release, ePMP still generates 
false Radar Detects,

Radwin behave bad with interference and did not deliver 40MHz Channels in my 
Band, UBNT cant

deliver GPS, …



I believe equipment will evolve and 802.11ac will give us better products but I 
do not believe in promises.



Mimosa has to deliver and then we’ll all see. I google all day for „mimosa b5 
iperf“ and there is nothing

than press statements.







Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von TJ Trout via Af
Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. Oktober 2014 09:00
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: [AFMUG] Mimosa pipe dream?



I was thinking about Mimosa, and I can't think of anything else they could 
promise that we would want, except maybe Golden Unicorns for Steve, seems like 
their promises are so far fetched that it might all be smoke and mirrors? Any 
thoughts?

Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

At least they are fast replacable ;-)).



This products do not arrive before next year. Pricing is not clear.





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Stefan Englhardt Email:   s...@genias.net

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Tel: +49 941 942798-0Fax: +49 941 942798-9



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 7:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons



Maybe RF Elements is onto something with their waveguide port radios, extend 
using low loss elliptical waveguide and put the radios inside a nice building 
or enclosure on the ground away from the lighting.



From: Paul McCall via Af 

Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 4:42 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons



For us, the biggest issue is the replacement cost of the 450.  NOT the initial 
cost, that is what it is, but we are in the lightning capital of the world.  
Sometimes we can repair everything that gets hit and sometimes on a direct 
strike, we can’t repair any of it.  On most towers, we deploy 5 Ghz and 2.4 
Ghz, so 8 APs each.  Some are only one frequency band, so then there are only 
4.  Say those 4 APs are supporting 50 customers at $ 45 each… $ 2250 / month. 
(most towers are a less than that and some are more).  So, if I lose $ 8K in 
APs ($ 2000 x 4) in one evening, I am looking at least 4 months of lost revenue 
just to replace those APs (not counting labor, etc.)  We have had commercial, 
well-grounded towers that get hit twice in a season, so that’s 8 months 
(probably more like 10 months loss in real business terms) per year.  That 
makes NO sense to play that game.



And, again, a lot of towers have two frequency bands, thus 8 APs.  We have had 
4 commercial towers out of 18 with total losses this year on the APs.  
Thankfully, the used market on 100 series APs is very low cost, so not nearly 
as big of an impact.



So, with ePMP APs (while maybe not as good as 450APs) I can at least cut my 
losses by 80%.  That’s a big deal !



Unfortunately, that reality forces my hands.



Paul





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 5:27 PM
To: mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons



So it's Roy against the world of sync 😀

Gino A. Villarini

@gvillarini






On Oct 19, 2014, at 5:20 PM, Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

Yea, I covered that in one of my articles.  I just didn’t see everyone sitting 
around the campfire singing Kumbya.  Another reason I don’t worry about GPS.   
My next article covers my main reason.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 1:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons



LOL :)

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com 

On 10/19/2014 08:13 AM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:

I’m assuming all 12 WISPs cooperate with each other?



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 5:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons



Entirely not true spoken by a WISP that has up until this point used Mikrotik 
and Ubiquiti in rural and suburban markets with 12 WISP competitors.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




  _


From: "Mark Radabaugh via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com> >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:52:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons

And now your completely out of spectrum and can't deploy anything new.  I 
suppose the good part for you is nobody else can do anything given the amount 
of noise your making.

Mark

On 10/18/14, 1:27 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote:

You just hit the nail on the head why we have never considered deploying 450 
(and similar) in the past:

By the time "you" (relative term) have the cashflow to pay for those sectors, 
"we" (another relative term, for people deploying UBNT or similar) have already 
thrown up 4-6 shielded sectors and at least 10 clients per. If we don't think 
we can hit a decent sub density or at least make the site a valuable repeater, 
then we don't go there.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com 

On 10/18/2014 09:01 AM, Kurt Fankhauser via Af wrote:

I prefer sectors too but math doesnt always work out. I'll put the omni in to 
get the site up and once the customers are there change it to sectors. The 450 
platform is very easy to drop sectors in and have the existing clients link 
right up. I have a couple sites with existing customers i a

Re: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

It has a round pattern like a directional antenna. A Sector usualy has a 
smaller elevation and a broader azimuth.





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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement



It's all Mikrotik hardware\software under it as well.

What do you mean the coverage isn't as good?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



  _

From: "Stefan Englhardt via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 2:51:35 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement

This is realy something I did not expect: They announce Systems with Horn 
antennas.

A quite different approach. Their sectors are directional antennas so coverage 
is not as good

as with traditional antennas (Their marketing argues the opposite). But horn 
antennas

should have very low sidelobes, a good FB-Ratio and allow small angles. So it 
should be possible

to make a more dense deployment.

What make me scare is the big opening where water and ice may cause damage.

Re: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

The pattern is not like a normal sector it opens wider at elevation.







Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Gino Villarini via Af
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Oktober 2014 16:28
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement



I thinkt he innovative thing here is the waveguide adapter between the radios 
ant the horns/dishes,



90deg sector has 10db gain.. Way too low I think







Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com 

@aeronetpr







From: "af@afmug.com  " mailto:af@afmug.com> 
>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com  " mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 at 10:18 AM
To: "af@afmug.com  " mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement



The simper Sectors  http://simper.rfelements.com/

Not clear if the dish is a horn/reflector combination?





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Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Chuck McCown via Af
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Oktober 2014 16:15
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement



Which product are we talking about?  The one that looks like a dish has a patch 
array inside the cover.



From:Ty Featherling via Af 

Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:06 AM

To:af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement



So you're saying this is more marketing than innovation?



-Ty



On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Chuck McCown via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

Angle is pretty much solely dependent upon gain.  So a typical horn is about as 
good as the best patch array or a smaller parabolic reflector.  But they are 
worse than both in the mechanical sense.



The higher the frequency the more practical horns become.



From:Stefan Englhardt via Af 

Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 1:51 AM

To:af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement



This is realy something I did not expect: They announce Systems with Horn 
antennas.

A quite different approach. Their sectors are directional antennas so coverage 
is not as good

as with traditional antennas (Their marketing argues the opposite). But horn 
antennas

should have very low sidelobes, a good FB-Ratio and allow small angles. So it 
should be possible

to make a more dense deployment.

What make me scare is the big opening where water and ice may cause damage.

Re: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

The 30 Degree has 18dBi. They use the -6db at the edge calculation.
They are quite small so it may be possible to replace a loaded 90 degree
sector with 3 of them.


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-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Chuck McCown via Af
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Oktober 2014 16:16
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement

Now I see.  Scalar ring feedhorns.  Same thing I use to illuminate my dual pol 
reflectors.  Nothing wrong with them but they only have about 10-12 dBi gain.

-Original Message-
From: Seth Mattinen via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement

On 10/15/14, 7:06 AM, Ty Featherling via Af wrote:
> So you're saying this is more marketing than innovation?


When I hear "horn antenna" I think AT&T Long Lines sites.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

The simper Sectors  http://simper.rfelements.com/

Not clear if the dish is a horn/reflector combination?





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Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Chuck McCown via Af
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Oktober 2014 16:15
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement



Which product are we talking about?  The one that looks like a dish has a patch 
array inside the cover.



From: Ty Featherling via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:06 AM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement



So you're saying this is more marketing than innovation?



-Ty



On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Chuck McCown via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

Angle is pretty much solely dependent upon gain.  So a typical horn is about as 
good as the best patch array or a smaller parabolic reflector.  But they are 
worse than both in the mechanical sense.



The higher the frequency the more practical horns become.



From: Stefan Englhardt via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 1:51 AM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Subject: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement



This is realy something I did not expect: They announce Systems with Horn 
antennas.

A quite different approach. Their sectors are directional antennas so coverage 
is not as good

as with traditional antennas (Their marketing argues the opposite). But horn 
antennas

should have very low sidelobes, a good FB-Ratio and allow small angles. So it 
should be possible

to make a more dense deployment.

What make me scare is the big opening where water and ice may cause damage.

Re: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

Horn antennas are no innovation. They are quite old 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horn_antenna.

But I’ve not seen it packaged like this. And they are quite unusual in the 
WISP-World.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Ty Featherling via Af
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Oktober 2014 16:07
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement



So you're saying this is more marketing than innovation?



-Ty



On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Chuck McCown via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

Angle is pretty much solely dependent upon gain.  So a typical horn is about as 
good as the best patch array or a smaller parabolic reflector.  But they are 
worse than both in the mechanical sense.



The higher the frequency the more practical horns become.



From: Stefan Englhardt via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 1:51 AM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Subject: [AFMUG] Rflelements announcement



This is realy something I did not expect: They announce Systems with Horn 
antennas.

A quite different approach. Their sectors are directional antennas so coverage 
is not as good

as with traditional antennas (Their marketing argues the opposite). But horn 
antennas

should have very low sidelobes, a good FB-Ratio and allow small angles. So it 
should be possible

to make a more dense deployment.

What make me scare is the big opening where water and ice may cause damage.

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa announcement

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

No. My information for backhaul line comes from my distributor and said

he should have first devices 3 Weeks ago. This information is 4 Weeks old.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Darin Steffl via Af
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Oktober 2014 09:45
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa announcement



Did you guys not listen and read the presentation screen? Beta units shipping 
over next few weeks and and pre-order links shipping in December for backhaul 
line.



On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Stefan Englhardt via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

Ahhh found it. Did not press the Pre-Order button. Summer/Fall of next year 
translates

to: „We think about making a new product“ in the wireless world.



So it is nothing to think about at the moment. It just says: The equipment you 
buy now is

very old next year.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] Im Auftrag 
von TJ Trout via Af
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Oktober 2014 09:34
An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa announcement



Products will begin shipping Summer/Fall 2015



Depressing!



On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:15 AM, Stefan Englhardt via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

Now they have a PTMP System announced. As with the B5 it sounds fantastic.

MuMimo and a 20db CPE with 500+ Mbit/s.



But still not heard from a sucessful installation of B5 and my ordered test link

is not on it’s way. My distributor did not get a single unit so far.













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[AFMUG] Rflelements announcement

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

This is realy something I did not expect: They announce Systems with Horn 
antennas.

A quite different approach. Their sectors are directional antennas so coverage 
is not as good

as with traditional antennas (Their marketing argues the opposite). But horn 
antennas

should have very low sidelobes, a good FB-Ratio and allow small angles. So it 
should be possible

to make a more dense deployment.

What make me scare is the big opening where water and ice may cause damage.

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa announcement

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

Ahhh found it. Did not press the Pre-Order button. Summer/Fall of next year 
translates

to: „We think about making a new product“ in the wireless world.



So it is nothing to think about at the moment. It just says: The equipment you 
buy now is

very old next year.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von TJ Trout via Af
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Oktober 2014 09:34
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa announcement



Products will begin shipping Summer/Fall 2015



Depressing!



On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:15 AM, Stefan Englhardt via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

Now they have a PTMP System announced. As with the B5 it sounds fantastic.

MuMimo and a 20db CPE with 500+ Mbit/s.



But still not heard from a sucessful installation of B5 and my ordered test link

is not on it’s way. My distributor did not get a single unit so far.

[AFMUG] Mimosa announcement

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

Now they have a PTMP System announced. As with the B5 it sounds fantastic.

MuMimo and a 20db CPE with 500+ Mbit/s.



But still not heard from a sucessful installation of B5 and my ordered test link

is not on it's way. My distributor did not get a single unit so far.

Re: [AFMUG] Samsung: 4.6 GIGABIT WiFi, suck in a movie in SECONDS • The Register

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

FSO is difficult to install and needs a massive pole.

Systems I have seen are quite expensive.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af
Gesendet: Montag, 13. Oktober 2014 15:35
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Samsung: 4.6 GIGABIT WiFi, suck in a movie in SECONDS • 
The Register



Oh, at that distance might as well use FSO.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



  _

From: "Stefan Englhardt via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:32:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Samsung: 4.6 GIGABIT WiFi, suck in a movie in SECONDS • 
The Register

60Ghz attenuates a lot by moisture. All vendors I talk to dont recommend more 
than 500m = 1/3 mile.



Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af
Gesendet: Montag, 13. Oktober 2014 15:27
An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Samsung: 4.6 GIGABIT WiFi, suck in a movie in SECONDS • 
The Register



I can't wait.

By short you mean like up to a mile?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



  _____

From: "Stefan Englhardt via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:16:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Samsung: 4.6 GIGABIT WiFi, suck in a movie in SECONDS • 
The Register

60 Ghz band ist good for up to 500m ptp. There are products from silku, athena, 
sub10



Based on a 802.11ad chipsets this band might give dirt cheap short

gigabit links.



This is the only 802.11ad chipset I know of: 
http://wilocity.com/products/chipsets





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Jaime Solorza via Af
Gesendet: Montag, 13. Oktober 2014 15:02
An: Animal Farm
Betreff: [AFMUG] Samsung: 4.6 GIGABIT WiFi, suck in a movie in SECONDS • The 
Register



http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/13/samsung_promises_46_gbps_wifi_maybe_next_year/

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Samsung: 4.6 GIGABIT WiFi, suck in a movie in SECONDS • The Register

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

60Ghz attenuates a lot by moisture. All vendors I talk to dont recommend more 
than 500m = 1/3 mile.



Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af
Gesendet: Montag, 13. Oktober 2014 15:27
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Samsung: 4.6 GIGABIT WiFi, suck in a movie in SECONDS • 
The Register



I can't wait.

By short you mean like up to a mile?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



  _

From: "Stefan Englhardt via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:16:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Samsung: 4.6 GIGABIT WiFi, suck in a movie in SECONDS • 
The Register

60 Ghz band ist good for up to 500m ptp. There are products from silku, athena, 
sub10



Based on a 802.11ad chipsets this band might give dirt cheap short

gigabit links.



This is the only 802.11ad chipset I know of: 
http://wilocity.com/products/chipsets





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Jaime Solorza via Af
Gesendet: Montag, 13. Oktober 2014 15:02
An: Animal Farm
Betreff: [AFMUG] Samsung: 4.6 GIGABIT WiFi, suck in a movie in SECONDS • The 
Register



http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/13/samsung_promises_46_gbps_wifi_maybe_next_year/

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Samsung: 4.6 GIGABIT WiFi, suck in a movie in SECONDS • The Register

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

60 Ghz band ist good for up to 500m ptp. There are products from silku, athena, 
sub10



Based on a 802.11ad chipsets this band might give dirt cheap short

gigabit links.



This is the only 802.11ad chipset I know of: 
http://wilocity.com/products/chipsets





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Jaime Solorza via Af
Gesendet: Montag, 13. Oktober 2014 15:02
An: Animal Farm
Betreff: [AFMUG] Samsung: 4.6 GIGABIT WiFi, suck in a movie in SECONDS • The 
Register



http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/13/samsung_promises_46_gbps_wifi_maybe_next_year/

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ?

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

Logarithmic scale. This is small but not negative ...





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Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Tyson Burris @ Internet 
Communications Inc via Af
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 2014 14:04
An: af@afmug.com
Cc: memb...@wispa.org
Betreff: [AFMUG] PTP 230 - Negative Transmit Power ?



Anyone seen this before?  Tried changing it but she resets back to a negative 
number even after reboot...




Transmitter Output Power :

dBm ( Range: -30 - -15 dBm )





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Re: [AFMUG] Using EPMP for PTP links

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

I would like an embedded design. Rfelements showcased a Dish-Antenne with an 
integrated housing on the back at a show in the past. As the sectors are 
already from Rfelements they should have picked up this and mount the 
ePMP-Board inside.



Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. Oktober 2014 14:16
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Using EPMP for PTP links



Ten miles I'd rather use something with 2' dishes, but I am using some in PtP 
mode. *shrugs* They work.

They're my preferred CPE now. A PITA to assemble, but the new design should be 
coming this winter. It won't actually weigh much less, but it does feel a lot 
less.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



  _

From: "Alan West via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com> >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 11:29:47 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Using EPMP for PTP links

Hello, anyone used the Force 100 units for PTP links yet? I have four of them 
and really do not want to use them on customers roofs (until they get a better 
(and lighter) design)



So, PTP links seems like a logical choice...I have a new link at about ten 
miles I had purchased Nanobeam 400s for, but may use these instead.

[AFMUG] Mimosa fails to deliver

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

Even the test links our Distributor should have gotten did not arrive.

So seems like another marketing driven company.

Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

802.11ac does only define 256QAM 3/4 with 20MHz Channels.

So max modulation rate is 86.7 Mbit/s/stream. Dont know if

Quantenna does more than this.



Therefore 40Mhz with 256QAM 5/6 and 200Mbit/s/stream is

the way to go.



The comparison depends heavily on how near mimosa come to

It’s promises. As I dont have seen a single mimosa link until now …



I guess the Jirous will give good results.





Von: Af [mailto:af-bounces+ste=genias@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Eric Kuhnke 
via Af
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. September 2014 16:03
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance



I wonder how the performance of the Mimosa 256QAM product will compare in a 20 
MHz wide, TDD channel when used with the same antennas, head-to-head against 
the Mikrotik board.  In a scenario not using any of the special frequency auto 
selecting features of the Mimosa/Quantenna chipset.

I have in mind a setup with a pair of the Jirous 32dB high performance type 
antennas with a metal enclosure on the rear.



On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Stefan Englhardt via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

The Sextant did not work for us at all. The QRT-5 has a quite good Antenna for 
it’s size.

But you cant upgrade/repair them as they use special screws you cant open 
without damaging

them.



The Mars-Antennas have a metal housing so there is some shielding to the back. 
We don’t like

the outdoor-pigtails/connectors as with the rocket / ePMP-Force / ePMP Sectors. 
Just one

Ethernet leaving the housing to the bottom is the solution we see the least 
problems.





Von: Af [mailto:af-bounces+ste <mailto:af-bounces%2Bste> =genias@afmug.com 
<mailto:genias@afmug.com> ] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. September 2014 15:40
An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance



I remember when they announced their new "high gain CPE" the Sextant...  which 
was still smaller than the smallest CPE I used.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




  _


From: "Glen Waldrop via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:37:54 AM


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance



I can't get over the small gain MT uses.

It also bugs me that the FCC seems to be all about massive amps and small 
antennas rather than the reverse.

If it was actually about interference PTP shots with narrow beamwidth is 
preferred. I suppose it is too much to ask for those in our government that set 
the regulations to actually understand the tech they're regulating.

I suppose it could be the manufacturers are going with big amps and small 
antennas, but it seems that would cost more.





- Original Message -

From: Mike Hammett via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:33 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance



The SXT antenna were always too weak. Give me 25 dBi or give me death. Well, 
okay, I don't feel that strongly. I just won't buy it if not.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




  _


From: "Stefan Englhardt via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:30:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance

We’re starting the move to .ac with MT now. The 922UAGS-5HPacD has the same 
dimensions as

the 911/411 Boards so we just replace boards.



We get good results with Mars Antennas with housing for P2P. The SXT-Antennas 
are to weak for .ac.

The 19db Mars Antennas give good CPE/short range PTP with a small footprint. We 
use these as

Sector-Antennas where we have to cover small areas.



The .ac firmware adaption is quite new but we see stable results in the 300-400 
Mbit/s range for short links.

The .ac boards have faster CPUs so they may increase 11n-Speeds/NAT Performance.

The 922-Board has a SFP. Ethernetport has moved. Due to this the RFElements 
Stationbox XL do not fit.



MT .ac does PTP and PTMP and is downward compatible to older boards with 11n/a.



SXTs with .ac are not stable with the latest sw-release. So as always with MT 
you’ve to betatest

HW/FW-combination to get it running smooth.







Von: Af [mailto:af-bounces+ste=genias@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Rory 
Conaway via Af
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. September 2014 14:26
An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance



Ya, I don’t’ think so.  If you use Ubiquiti you pretty much know what 
works and what doesn’t.  in reality, you use as few  custom features as 
possible outside 802.11 compatibility and limit the radios to Layer 2 bridges 
or nothing more than NAT whenever possible.  Try not to use any of the customer 
fea

Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

The Sextant did not work for us at all. The QRT-5 has a quite good Antenna for 
it’s size.

But you cant upgrade/repair them as they use special screws you cant open 
without damaging

them.



The Mars-Antennas have a metal housing so there is some shielding to the back. 
We don’t like

the outdoor-pigtails/connectors as with the rocket / ePMP-Force / ePMP Sectors. 
Just one

Ethernet leaving the housing to the bottom is the solution we see the least 
problems.





Von: Af [mailto:af-bounces+ste=genias@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike 
Hammett via Af
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. September 2014 15:40
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance



I remember when they announced their new "high gain CPE" the Sextant...  which 
was still smaller than the smallest CPE I used.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



  _

From: "Glen Waldrop via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:37:54 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance



I can't get over the small gain MT uses.

It also bugs me that the FCC seems to be all about massive amps and small 
antennas rather than the reverse.

If it was actually about interference PTP shots with narrow beamwidth is 
preferred. I suppose it is too much to ask for those in our government that set 
the regulations to actually understand the tech they're regulating.

I suppose it could be the manufacturers are going with big amps and small 
antennas, but it seems that would cost more.





- Original Message -

From: Mike Hammett via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:33 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance



The SXT antenna were always too weak. Give me 25 dBi or give me death. Well, 
okay, I don't feel that strongly. I just won't buy it if not.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




  _


From: "Stefan Englhardt via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:30:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance

We’re starting the move to .ac with MT now. The 922UAGS-5HPacD has the same 
dimensions as

the 911/411 Boards so we just replace boards.



We get good results with Mars Antennas with housing for P2P. The SXT-Antennas 
are to weak for .ac.

The 19db Mars Antennas give good CPE/short range PTP with a small footprint. We 
use these as

Sector-Antennas where we have to cover small areas.



The .ac firmware adaption is quite new but we see stable results in the 300-400 
Mbit/s range for short links.

The .ac boards have faster CPUs so they may increase 11n-Speeds/NAT Performance.

The 922-Board has a SFP. Ethernetport has moved. Due to this the RFElements 
Stationbox XL do not fit.



MT .ac does PTP and PTMP and is downward compatible to older boards with 11n/a.



SXTs with .ac are not stable with the latest sw-release. So as always with MT 
you’ve to betatest

HW/FW-combination to get it running smooth.







Von: Af [mailto:af-bounces+ste=genias@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Rory 
Conaway via Af
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. September 2014 14:26
An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance



Ya, I don’t’ think so.  If you use Ubiquiti you pretty much know what 
works and what doesn’t.  in reality, you use as few  custom features as 
possible outside 802.11 compatibility and limit the radios to Layer 2 bridges 
or nothing more than NAT whenever possible.  Try not to use any of the customer 
features although AirMax seems to be working pretty well.   You just don’t want 
to add anything that adds to processor overhead on an AP for Rocket M5’s if you 
have a higher density.  When the Titanium’s tanked a couple years ago, there 
was a huge hole in any kind of AP product with the ability to handle density 
due to the processor but nobody filled it.  It still hasn’t been filled to my 
satisfaction meaning we aren’t replacing Rocket 5M’s any time soon and we are 
keeping them at 50 users or less for another few months.  However, NetFlix and 
video streaming means we are pushing that down to a planned 30 over the next 
couple of months.  That numbers are just estimates but somewhere between 30-50 
under heavy video streaming usage and AirMax will start causing issues.



If you allow torrents or anything that opens up a massive number of 
connections, then the number of users per AP drops significantly which is why 
we run filtering on the back end to reduce that.  I’ve seen APs with less than 
30 go apoplectic with a couple of wild torrent users.



Rory



From: Af [ <mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com> 
mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That 

Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

We’re starting the move to .ac with MT now. The 922UAGS-5HPacD has the same 
dimensions as

the 911/411 Boards so we just replace boards.



We get good results with Mars Antennas with housing for P2P. The SXT-Antennas 
are to weak for .ac.

The 19db Mars Antennas give good CPE/short range PTP with a small footprint. We 
use these as

Sector-Antennas where we have to cover small areas.



The .ac firmware adaption is quite new but we see stable results in the 300-400 
Mbit/s range for short links.

The .ac boards have faster CPUs so they may increase 11n-Speeds/NAT Performance.

The 922-Board has a SFP. Ethernetport has moved. Due to this the RFElements 
Stationbox XL do not fit.



MT .ac does PTP and PTMP and is downward compatible to older boards with 11n/a.



SXTs with .ac are not stable with the latest sw-release. So as always with MT 
you’ve to betatest

HW/FW-combination to get it running smooth.







Von: Af [mailto:af-bounces+ste=genias@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Rory 
Conaway via Af
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. September 2014 14:26
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance



Ya, I don’t’ think so.  If you use Ubiquiti you pretty much know what 
works and what doesn’t.  in reality, you use as few  custom features as 
possible outside 802.11 compatibility and limit the radios to Layer 2 bridges 
or nothing more than NAT whenever possible.  Try not to use any of the customer 
features although AirMax seems to be working pretty well.   You just don’t want 
to add anything that adds to processor overhead on an AP for Rocket M5’s if you 
have a higher density.  When the Titanium’s tanked a couple years ago, there 
was a huge hole in any kind of AP product with the ability to handle density 
due to the processor but nobody filled it.  It still hasn’t been filled to my 
satisfaction meaning we aren’t replacing Rocket 5M’s any time soon and we are 
keeping them at 50 users or less for another few months.  However, NetFlix and 
video streaming means we are pushing that down to a planned 30 over the next 
couple of months.  That numbers are just estimates but somewhere between 30-50 
under heavy video streaming usage and AirMax will start causing issues.



If you allow torrents or anything that opens up a massive number of 
connections, then the number of users per AP drops significantly which is why 
we run filtering on the back end to reduce that.  I’ve seen APs with less than 
30 go apoplectic with a couple of wild torrent users.



Rory



From: Af [  
mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy 
via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:47 PM
To:   af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance



:-) the ubntboys tend to not be all that informed they blindly swear by 
whatever the spec sheets and feature notices tell them



On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af <  
af@afmug.com> wrote:

For the first question, I have no idea, since the only released radios are PtP 
at this time. Pretty hard to tell.

For the second one, "ubntboys" (at least the informed ones) don't run airsync, 
because they know it doesn't work well. :)

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS,   www.spitwspots.com

On 09/23/2014 09:06 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:

does it work? or does it work in ubntboys eyes like airsync?



On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 11:12 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af <  
af@afmug.com> wrote:

For clarification for EVERYBODY reading this post, ALL AIRMAX AC PRODUCTS HAVE 
AIRMAX OFFLOADING :)

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS,   www.spitwspots.com

On 09/23/2014 07:33 PM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote:

The ptp-lites do have airmax offloading? I thought they didn't...

We've had a link running for awhile, but it's got some noise issues, so it 
hasn't really been the best place to test these... that said, they've been 
running fine without any real problems that I've noticed.
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From: Af [  
af-bounces+mathew=litewire@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af [ 
 af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 9:49 PM
To:   af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance

ptp lites are missing the internal shielding (i think?) as well as airprism tech

they do have airmax offloading, but it's also a brand new product line... some 
bugs are showing in the software

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS,   www.spitwspots.com

On 09/23/2014 06:48 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:

These are basically beta release hardware? its missing some guts?



On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Rory Conaway via Af <  
af@afmug.com> wrote:

I don�t have one but 

Re: [AFMUG] Mean well

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

Our 48V Meanwells dont have a voltage regulation. We had a problem with a cable 
run to a POE switch.
There we have a TDK-Lambda DPP240-48-1 now which has  a Vout-Adjustment and 
does the job. I did
not try if it reaches 56V.

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Af [mailto:af-bounces+ste=genias@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Steve 
Warden via Af
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. September 2014 16:18
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: [AFMUG] Mean well

Hi,



I read somewhere that a  meanwell 48/48 (output trimmed to 56v) can be used to 
power a PIDU, has anyone tried this? If so what was the part number?



We are starting to use the Alpha FMPS 48, on sites with a CMM 48/24 works great 
I just need to regulate the PIDU!









Regards



Steve Warden



Andrews Wireless

671 Durham road 21

Uxbridge

L9P 1R4



905 852 8896



www.andrewswireless.net