[AFMUG] Test 6/9 @ 11:00 Pacific

[TJ Trout]

Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney

[TJ Trout]

Yes, we use unistrut for various tower mounts (home made) they defiantly
can hold a mast with plenty of strength

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 5:04 PM,  wrote:

> Stick a piece of PVC down the chimney and use spray foam to hold it in
> place.
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2018 5:28 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Attaching pole to Chimney
>
> Do the unistrut conduit clamps hold the conduit tightly enough to mount it
> vertically? I thought they were intended for horizontal runs.
>
> On Tuesday, May 15, 2018, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
>> Unistrut, clamps and EMT. Done
>>
>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It's just a wood box covered in vinyl.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 The chimney has vinyl?  I assume it's brick behind it?

 If you have to get it from the local hardware store, go there and see
 what all can work.  I'd probably look for the best tool rather than limit
 myself to that one store, though.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 
 Suite 1337
 
 Troy, OH 45373
 

 On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Jason McKemie <
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Anyone have any advice as to what hardware I can use to attach a 6'
> section of 1.5" emt to a chimney? It's the vinyl siding covered type. I 
> was
> thinking of just drilling it and running lags straight through, but a
> bracket of some type, possibly utilizing pipe clamps, would be preferred.
> I'll need to source it from a local hardware store.



>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'

[TJ Trout]

So what's the cliff notes on the 3 least expensive 100ft self supporters?


   - Texas Towers Model ?
   - Trylon "Titan" 96ft
   - ??
   - ??



On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 7:51 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:

> http://www.mtin.net/blog/towers-and-pricing/
>
> A blog article I did awhile ago.  Pricing is still pretty relevant.
>
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net
>
> www.mtin.net
> www.midwest-ix.com
>
> On May 9, 2018, at 3:05 PM, James Howard  wrote:
>
> Sounds like roughly $12k total.  Thanks much!  That helps a lot.
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 9, 2018 1:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'
>
> Not really sure as we did most of it ourself.  Probably $2000 for the
> foundation and another $1500 for erection.
>
> *From:* James Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 9, 2018 12:44 PM
> *To:* 'af@afmug.com'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'
>
> What did you end up spending to install it?
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 9, 2018 1:40 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'
>
>
> $5,721.00 + Tax and shipping
>
>
> $7,889.00
>
> *From:* James Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 9, 2018 11:40 AM
> *To:* 'af@afmug.com'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'
>
> What did it end up costing?
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 9, 2018 11:43 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'
>
> Rohn SSV.
>
> *From:* James Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 9, 2018 10:30 AM
> *To:* 'af@afmug.com'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'
>
> Dredging up an old thread here.  What did you end up going with Chuck?
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Monday, October 9, 2017 2:32 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'
>
> Needs to be self supporting.
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Monday, October 09, 2017 1:31 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Good tower for 100'
>
> Found a 96 footer Titan from Tessco for about $4600.
> Any better deals or stronger towers for a similar price?
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Re: [AFMUG] Revisiting Backup LTE service - devices

[TJ Trout]

I would guess that $10/GB is the best you will do unless you want to roll
it out to 10,000 customers then you might have better buying power with one
of the carriers...

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 3:32 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> Yeah, you want affordable cellular data in bulk, which doesn't exist.
>
> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 2:29 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> Looking for a 4g LTE solution that won’t kill me if several customers on
>> a tower (that have the devices) start using it over a weekend while the
>> tower is down.
>>
>>
>>
>> These 2 look to be suitable for tower mgmt., but not necessarily a
>> customer option (redundancy) at scale
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 14, 2018 5:10 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Revisiting Backup LTE service - devices
>>
>>
>>
>> twilio or hologram.io might fit the bill, mikrotik w/ lte dongle or a
>> netgear dual wan LTE router is the way to go for seemless failover
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>> We want to start offering our rural customers an LTE option as an on
>> demand backup service.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know Ting is commonly used, although it looks like $ 10 / GB is their
>> cost.  Seems a little high.
>>
>>
>>
>> Verizon has some interesting plans once you talk to the right people, and
>> their JetPack device is FREE through the end of the month.
>>
>>
>>
>> What are you guys using?  Can you share details please?
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=658+Old+Dixie+Highway+%0D%0A+Vero+Beach,+FL+32962+%0D%0A+772&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=658+Old+Dixie+Highway+%0D%0A+Vero+Beach,+FL+32962+%0D%0A+772&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>
>> 772
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=658+Old+Dixie+Highway+%0D%0A+Vero+Beach,+FL+32962+%0D%0A+772&entry=gmail&source=g>-564-6800
>>
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Revisiting Backup LTE service - devices

[TJ Trout]

Yeah, you want affordable cellular data in bulk, which doesn't exist.

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 2:29 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Looking for a 4g LTE solution that won’t kill me if several customers on a
> tower (that have the devices) start using it over a weekend while the tower
> is down.
>
>
>
> These 2 look to be suitable for tower mgmt., but not necessarily a
> customer option (redundancy) at scale
>
>
>
> *From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Monday, May 14, 2018 5:10 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Revisiting Backup LTE service - devices
>
>
>
> twilio or hologram.io might fit the bill, mikrotik w/ lte dongle or a
> netgear dual wan LTE router is the way to go for seemless failover
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> We want to start offering our rural customers an LTE option as an on
> demand backup service.
>
>
>
> I know Ting is commonly used, although it looks like $ 10 / GB is their
> cost.  Seems a little high.
>
>
>
> Verizon has some interesting plans once you talk to the right people, and
> their JetPack device is FREE through the end of the month.
>
>
>
> What are you guys using?  Can you share details please?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=658+Old+Dixie+Highway+%0D%0A+Vero+Beach,+FL+32962+%0D%0A+772&entry=gmail&source=g>
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=658+Old+Dixie+Highway+%0D%0A+Vero+Beach,+FL+32962+%0D%0A+772&entry=gmail&source=g>
>
> 772
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=658+Old+Dixie+Highway+%0D%0A+Vero+Beach,+FL+32962+%0D%0A+772&entry=gmail&source=g>-564-6800
>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Revisiting Backup LTE service - devices

[TJ Trout]

twilio or hologram.io might fit the bill, mikrotik w/ lte dongle or a
netgear dual wan LTE router is the way to go for seemless failover

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> We want to start offering our rural customers an LTE option as an on
> demand backup service.
>
>
>
> I know Ting is commonly used, although it looks like $ 10 / GB is their
> cost.  Seems a little high.
>
>
>
> Verizon has some interesting plans once you talk to the right people, and
> their JetPack device is FREE through the end of the month.
>
>
>
> What are you guys using?  Can you share details please?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> 
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 
>
> 772
> -564-6800
>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Streakwave down?

[TJ Trout]

Up for me in california

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> 1.1.1.1
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 13, 2018, at 2:08 PM, David Coudron 
> wrote:
>
> They were down last night too.   Couldn’t get to their site for awhile.
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
> *From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *castarritt
> *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2018 3:01 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Streakwave down?
>
>
>
> I can't get to it; guess I better call my ISP!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> Is streakwave down?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Did I ruin summer animal farm?

[TJ Trout]

I just got my lazy ass around to registering and the event is canceled :(
Did I miss the notice :) Oh wait I wasn't registered...

I was really excited about AF back in Utah, small again, Feel like an idiot
for procrastinating on the registration!

Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[TJ Trout]

I've seen a few "fences" lately around equipment here in California that
are 8ft-ish and has about 6 horizontal wires that are insulated from the
posts with plastic hanging signs that say something like "danger 12,000
volts" I'm can almost guarantee it's not lethal although they want you to
think that, too much liability. It's probably just a regular of special
fence charger, probably would be the cheapest way to build something with
the least chance of intrusion?

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:37 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> It's only a deterrent.  Nobody's expecting to stop Danny Ocean.
>
> Is it harder to climb if the barbed wire angles outwards?  My criminal
> trespassing days are well behind me, so I honestly don't know.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/10/2018 6:22:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg
>
> That was my thinking as well.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 2:56 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg
>
> I'm not in the habit of cutting through fences, but I'd guess that it
> would take less time to get through chain link, but you're going to need a
> bigger cutters... and if somebody wants to get in that badly, they'll cut
> through either one.
>
> But I can say that climbing 8' chain link with barbed wire at the top
> isn't that hard...
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Depending on the gauge, hog wire can be about the same difficulty to cut
>> as chain link. Not sure which one would be more or less difficult to get
>> through, but when you cut a row of chainnlink, the rest folds up like an
>> accordion.
>>
>> I like concertina across the top, but the stuff you described works too.
>> Might be easier to work with.
>>
>> Motion activated alarms can be effective.
>>
>>
>> -bp
>>
>> --
>> bp
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my equipment yard.  Lost a
>>> few things over the years, mostly radiators, wiring batts etc.  Copper
>>> stuff.
>>>
>>> So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking 10’/8’ T post with
>>> hog/goat welded wire.
>>>
>>> Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can get them to fit) with
>>> three strands of barbed wire angling outward.
>>>
>>> Could do shorter.
>>> Could do chain link.
>>> Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at the top of 6’.
>>>
>>> Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts cemented in the ground except
>>> for the corners.
>>>
>>> If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link I think.
>>>
>>> Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.
>>>
>>> Cops say motion activated lights are the best deterrent.  Followed by
>>> working or not cameras.
>>> And I am doing/will do both of these.
>>>
>>> Opinions please.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Little DC Connector

[TJ Trout]

I have maybe ten of those exact ones if u want them

On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Where can I get more of these?
>
> Well, probably lots of places, but I don't know what they're called, part
> number, etc.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
>

[AFMUG] 450i integrated vs 450m

[TJ Trout]

Anyone that has swapped a 450i sector with 450m what did the signal levels
and modulation rates look like after the change?

Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 25 on metal building

[TJ Trout]

So you guys convinced me to build on the dirt, much easier. Now what is the
smallest span of guys I can get away with? I want to do 12 sections of 25G
and I can guy it 3 or 4 times, I'm assuming 4 is better. I really want to
keep the guys in as close as possible to save the valuable farming space I
have, so what is the guy span from the tower base that would be recommended
? "how low can i go?" (without making any safety issues, this tower will
only have 4 sectors and a 2ft dish at 40ft).

Thanks,

TJ

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 3:32 AM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> I would tell you that you are waisting money. 2 sections are going to cost
> you a lot less and be a better long term solution than mounting a tower on
> a building. You can use a house bracket near the top depending on your
> building design and start your guy calculations from that point.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018, 9:22 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> I'm building a 40x40 or possibly 50x60 steel building. I would like to
>> install a guyed 25g on the peak (about 20ft peak from ground level with
>> 16ft walls)
>>
>> If I guy off 4 times how high can I go?
>>
>> Any way to do 100ft or ten sections ? I'm assuming my guy span isn't far
>> out enough.
>>
>> I know what's on the drawings but I am looking for some real world
>> feedback
>>
>> Thank you very much
>>
>> TJ
>>
>

[AFMUG] pmp450i 3ghz vs 5ghz

[TJ Trout]

Could someone in the know compare the two? Range? Throughput? Which one can
hold a higher modulation rate at say 5 or 10 miles?

Thanks,


TJ

[AFMUG] 3.65 NN base registration

[TJ Trout]

I have a NN license but have never used it, what is the best
practice/process for registering a base when you have other operators with
bases registered nearby? Do you need to coordinate anything?

I'm looking at deploying in a small town but 2-3 other operators have bases
already registered in the area, can I still deploy? Obviously need to do a
SA before anything

Thanks,

TJ

Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum fiber demarc move

[TJ Trout]

move it yourself. If it was cat5 you wouldn't have a problem right? Fiber
is easier to work on then cat5 in my opinion, it seems intimidating but
it's not. Get some AFL fast connectors and a coupler and move that B

On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 6:00 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Just go tear it off the building.  Put up some siding or something.  Call
> in a trouble.  When they come out blame some other contractor.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 31, 2018 6:32 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum fiber demarc move
>
> You should add an "lol" or a smiley face or something so that readers know
> you're joking.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chris Fabien" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 3/30/2018 12:55:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum fiber demarc move
>
>
> No, you say it's always been installed here, your records must be wrong,
> now get to fixing it, SLA clock is ticking
>
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018, 10:44 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>> I probably could that would be interesting if i called tech support and
>> said i tried moving the fiber now it dont work.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Chris Fabien 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Can you just move it yourself? We have done that before.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 3:41 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Has anyone had to move their demarc locaiton in a building for the
 spectrum/time warner fiber service and what was the process like? Did they
 charge you for the move of the demarc spot? How much of a PITA was it to
 move it?

>>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] site inverter +48

[TJ Trout]

Looking for a inverter with pure/true sine that's rack mountable with a
auto transfer switch, the only problem is I think most of these have
charging systems, if your already using a DC supply to float the batteries,
how do you handle this? Remove the DC supply? Put a large capacity diode on
the inverter's battery connection? Run separate batteries?

Thanks

TJ

Re: [AFMUG] LIST BEING SLOW - VERY SLOW...

[TJ Trout]

I don't see any reason the list would be attacked for such a sustained
time, motive? How does one DDoS amazon??!?

Do you have any data to support the theory?

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 2:31 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Should be, " Steve, who didn't you tick off?"
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390 <(915)%20861-1390>
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 9:40 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> Guys,
>>
>>
>>
>> Over the weekend, we became aware that the list has been very slow.  We
>> are digging in this AM as we all had a busy weekend here.  It appears that
>> there might be some form of attack against the list from overseas.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve, who did you tick off?
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyway, we will get it figured out and back to normal.  Of course, by the
>> time you see this, you probably wont know that we are working on it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>> 
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>> 
>>
>> 772
>> -564-6800
>>
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] test 1135pm pst

[TJ Trout]

[AFMUG] Test 1234

[TJ Trout]

Anyone alive ?

[AFMUG] Rohn 25 on metal building

[TJ Trout]

I'm building a 40x40 or possibly 50x60 steel building. I would like to
install a guyed 25g on the peak (about 20ft peak from ground level with
16ft walls)

If I guy off 4 times how high can I go?

Any way to do 100ft or ten sections ? I'm assuming my guy span isn't far
out enough.

I know what's on the drawings but I am looking for some real world
feedback

Thank you very much

TJ

Re: [AFMUG] handy dog proofing for service truck

[TJ Trout]

sawed off shotgun?

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 3:57 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Being back in the grind now, Im finding installers just keep replacing
> cable on animal chews. Yesterday I had to take everything off a yagi and
> tapcon the pipe to a brick wall to protect cable from getting rechewed.
> when I was installer kept random scrap stuff and DS mounts to run cable
> through nice and ghetto when customers wouldnt screen off exposed areas.
>
> I have some liquidtight scrap that might be worth throwing in the van.
>
> this is all residential, we dont charge for service calls or incidentals,
> so i need something on the cheap to stock in the van that doesnt take up
> alot of real estate on the shelves.
>
> I had even considered rigid 1/2 conduit and a bender, but I doubt most
> techs weve had would be able to operate that
>

Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm Summer 2018

[TJ Trout]

Chuck can I get 2 admissions by just doubling my price so I don't have to
checkout twice? no option for multiple ticket purchase :)

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 7:43 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> For most of my youth I thought Pinchi Jaime was my name...
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018, 8:06 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Heh
>>
>> On Mar 8, 2018 5:42 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>>
>>> Nope. Asshole is short for George. Or so I'm told.
>>>
>>> On 3/8/2018 3:28 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.whatsinaname.net/male-names/Geo.html
>>>
>>> Probably an old fart thing.
>>>
>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 2:12 PM
>>> *To:* af
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm Summer 2018
>>>
>>> I don't recall ever having heard anyone refer to George Washington as
>>> Geo before... but I did know that Geo is the diminutive of George...
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 Geo is the diminutive of George.

 Geo Washington but I guess Canadians don’t know this kind of
 stuff..   ;-)

 *From:* Colin Stanners
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 1:27 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm Summer 2018

 Who is "Geo Orwell", or is that the hip peoples' way to refer to the
 author?

 On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Registration is now open:
> http://www.afmug.com/
>
> The sponsor info is old, but maybe they will all offer to sponsor.
> Really, trying to get Ditchwitch, Vermeer, Preformed Line Products etc
> to sponsor as that is the kind of stuff we will be discussing.
>


>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] It's on

[TJ Trout]

I'm in!!! Reserve my seat! Yayy

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:11 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
wrote:

> What? No Wi-Gig / Wi-PON
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown  >
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 2:29 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] It's on
>
> June 12 & 13 AnimalFarm
>
> I even have vendors tracking me down here at WISPAmerica wanting to
> sponsor.
>
> Going to start to put together the agenda.  Very short sessions like
> always.
> Need the crowd to evolve this thing.
>
> Day 1:
> Fiber theory, channels, band plan
> SFPs
> Passive mux
> CWDM DWDM
>
> FTTH network topology
> GPON
> AE
> Pros and cons
>
> OSP Network Components
> Costs and Features
> Cable
> Conduit
> Handholes
> Splice Cases
> Splitters
>
> Cabinets
> Cross boxes
> Electronics
> Powering and cooling
>
> Fiber
> Splicing
> Connectors
> Engineering considerations
> Costs
>
> NOC
> MT FTTH in a box solution
>
> Day 2:  Hands On
> HDD operations
> Vacuum Excavators
> Hole Hawg and other missiles
> Underground location
> Eating mass quantities of dead animals.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

[AFMUG] fiber cost per home directional and pole attach

[TJ Trout]

I'm looking at venturing into fiber, I've done enough research and bugged
most of you on the list that I think I have enough knowledge to get going
(and be dangerous).

I'm looking at two options for our area,

1. Service newer subdivisions of houses that are currently served by cable
and dsl with speeds up to 1G in certain areas, average is about 50mbps,
this would be an all directional drill job underground.

What is a good cost per ft, or cost per house passed for drilling, conduit
and fiber?

2. Service the older side of town that has mostly overhead utilities by
signing an attachment agreement with the local power company, much lower
deployment cost and generally a more 'under served' area but also a lower
income area, using almost 100% pole attachments.

What is a good cost per ft or house passed (these are all small
1000-2000ft2 homes with small parcels) for cable, and pole attachment
fee's, lashing, etc?

I'm looking at PON but may go AE depending on some factors

Anyone bored enough to throw some advice my way?

Thank you!

TJ Trout

Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy

[TJ Trout]

What's a Rohan style one??

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 5:29 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:

> They’re custom. I can make them as tall as you’d like. Freestanding
> monopole style or Rohan style. Generator or solar powered. Etc
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
> On Mar 2, 2018, at 2:26 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> Brett,
>
> You make the COWS? How tall?
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 1:17 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> I recently started a company with my brother where we make these custom
>> for the same or less than the average cookie cutter ones. Let me know if
>> you want to buy a custom one. We have one to fit every budget and it only
>> takes 2 weeks to manufacture and deliver.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>>
>> On Mar 2, 2018, at 10:13 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>
>> I am pretty sure that it was Bill MacNamara that had a bunch of them from
>> an acquisition in Texas.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:15 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>>
>>> someone was selling like 40 new ones they were surplus on WISPA list I
>>> think about 6 months ago...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>>> President
>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT wind

[TJ Trout]

You don't have battery backup haaha

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Twice today the winds caused us to lose one phase at our shop.
>
> Odd the things that work and don’t work on two phases.
> The 208 lights and my car charger work.
> The 277 lights don’t.
> Welders can start but not run.
> 65 volts on the receptacles in my office.
>
> Most importantly the soda fountain with the Coke Zero does not work.
>
> I gave up and went home after the second outage.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy

[TJ Trout]

someone was selling like 40 new ones they were surplus on WISPA list I
think about 6 months ago...

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
wrote:

>
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

[AFMUG] AF-5 optimal config

[TJ Trout]

Hello,

I haven't ever deployed a AF-5 or AF-5U but a friend who owns a wisp is
trying to deploy one, we don't have very much noise and he's only 3db off
of 'optimal' as calculated by the AF-5's GPS and the thing will only pass
about 20mbps of traffic @ 9 miles

What is the aprox expected throughput at 9miles assuming little/no noise?

Any ideas on what to play with to get it working better, channel and
channel size aren't helping and I'm pretty sure the alignment is decent, do
I have a bad radio?

Or maybe 9 miles is too far?

Thank you,

TJ Trout

Re: [AFMUG] CCS 60ghz PTMP AP and Sub pic from MWC -

[TJ Trout]

Siklu? Link to PDF? Nothing published yet?

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
wrote:

> Thanks to Andreas for the pic
>
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] unsubscribe

[TJ Trout]

Here is the exact un-subscribe link:

UNSUBSCRIBE AFMUG LET ME GOOGLE THAT FOR YOU


On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 7:10 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Richard,
>
>
>
> Nobody has ever had that problem to my knowledge (failure to unsubscribe)
>
>
>
> My main tech has been out for a bit, but I will have him look this AM
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Pedersen
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 6:52 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] unsubscribe
>
>
>
> How do I get off this list?  I have done everything possible to no avail
> Emailing the operators of this list doesn’t get any response. the
> unsubscribe doesn’t work either.  I have been trying for 2 weeks this is a
> last ditch effort
>

Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

[TJ Trout]

The equipment never really made it to market, I think because of the poor
rules and the jack of spectrum... dead unless you want to do IOT type of
stuff, isn't really qualified for broadband when your AP can only do
3-20mbps in 2018

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 6:34 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> This was supposed to be like putting a monkey in shoes, but then it went
> silent, is it essentially a dead duck or is there still something
> happenning?
>

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 license available

[TJ Trout]

Aren't they only good for a few more months?

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 10:26 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

>
>
> As many of you have heard, we recently discovered we had a spare 3.65
> license.
>
> We have decided to put this up for auction for the next seven days. If you
> need a 3.65 license, go bid on this.
>
> Good luck!
>
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/NN-License-LICENSING-FOR-THE-3-
> 65-3-70-GHZ-SPECTRUM/222848486692
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] managed DC

[TJ Trout]

pretty cool. too bad they didn't rate it for +48

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 11:38 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
wrote:

> Stumbled into this UBNT community post where it is demonstrated the use of
> a Altronix DC panel for WISP use, It has web management among other goodies
>
> https://community.ubnt.com/t5/EdgeMAX-Stories/24V-Power-
> Distribution-Unit/cns-p/2223858
>
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wire management on swinging doors.

[TJ Trout]

I used those, they all eventually fell off due to heat and the elements
(even though they were inside a truck bed tool box)

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 11:40 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> These are some ways we do it.. these are adhesive type
>
> Jaime Solorza
>

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

[TJ Trout]

Coming from Gino, real world.

Client radio ~100-150mbps maximum (Gino can confirm)

TJ

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:43 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> Do you actually see that in the real world or is that theoretical
> capacity?  Also, what is the maximum speed of the client radios?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:05 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
>
>
>
> I have an aggregate capacity of 400 mbps+ on a single 450 Medusa sector
> using 40 mhz channelsŠ
>
> On 2/13/18, 11:26 AM, "Af on behalf of Rory Conaway" 
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> on behalf of r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>
> >You will be waiting several months or more for multi-user LTU, same as
> >other products still coming out.
> >
> >We always looks at ROI.  Except for 1 rare case that we bought 900Mhz
> >450's for, and even then my ROI is well over 16 months or more, starting
> >from scratch makes the 450 a challenge for profitability.  I'm also not
> >convinced that the 450 will keep up with the rest of the industry in
> >terms of capacity without much more investment whereas 802.11 products
> >are cheap to upgrade.
> >
> >As for capacity, not starting with 802.11ac is DOA.  New 802.11ac
> >chipsets are already pushing on 1024QAM and some other amazing features
> >that will change how we deploy on towers.  RF Elements horns have already
> >done that.
> >
> >For example, you can run 12 Ubiquiti Prisms with 12 horns, each covering
> >30-40 degrees (overlap and minimizing the dropoff) for less than $5K.
> >Even if you use 50/50 on GPS, you are still talking about at least
> >1.2Gbps of download capacity (40MHz channels, 200Mbps per customer
> >average).  Need more, RF Elements is shipping an even more narrow horn to
> >double that.  What's even more amazing is that the need for GPS goes down
> >significantly depending on how you deploy the horns meaning even more
> >capacity.
> >
> >We have found that deploying Mimosa with 2 antennas covering 60-120
> >degrees or Ubiquiti covering 30 degrees per AP in the directions we
> >needed, meant we didn't have to cover 360 degrees.  If we added users
> >that weren't in the pattern, we just added more APs or in the case of
> >Mimosa, swapped out the antenna with more narrow patterns and added more
> >APs to expand coverage .  A single user pays for a Ubiquiti/Horn AP in
> >the first 8 months and 2 users Mimosa.   I understand this doesn't work
> >well for tower deployments with outsourced climbers or with towers that
> >are billed by cable pulls, antenna square footage, number of APs, etc...
> >which is also why we rarely use towers.  I'd rather find a few lower
> >locations that have easy access than a single tower but that's not always
> >realistic.
> >
> >Rory
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf
> Of Stefan Englhardt
> >Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 1:59 AM
> >To: af@afmug.com
> >Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
> >
> >At the moment I would wait to see what this LTU is all about. Should soon
> >arrive at US Beta store. An airfiber class radio mounted to horns may
> >give a real boost. There would be a lot capacity even using them at
> >smaller Channels. They will use power below 10W and will be much cheaper
> >than 450m so you could install a 360 degree cluster which you might
> >densify at the direction where most customers live. Using an EP-S16 you
> >could aggregate them to 10GE and feed them with a Licensed gear right up
> >there. You only need to bring 48V DC up to the tower.
> >
> >
> >> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> >> Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] Im
> Auftrag von Josh Reynolds
> >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Februar 2018 09:34
> >> An: af@afmug.com
> >> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
> >>
> >> I agree, it makes sense if you already have a cambium network on 450.
> >>
> >> For greenfield? Probably not.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:42 AM, George Skorup
> >>  wrote:
> >> > One 450m = two 450i in cost (roughly), but delivers 3-4x the
> >> > throughput based on real-world results. Yes, it *can* talk to 7 SMs
> >> > in the
> >> same frame.
> >> > But even Cambium said 3-4 is realistic. Maybe 5 in the right
> >> > conditions. And you don't have to visit a single customer site. And
> >> > instead of pointing 3x 20MHz channels the same direction, you need
> >> > only one. Plus there's 30 and 40MHz support. Like Sean said, just
> >> > another
> >> tool in the toolbox.
> >> >
> >> > On 2/13/2018 1:26 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I was saying one direction IS 90 degrees in the "standard tower plan"
> >> >> :)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:17 AM, Sean Heskett 
> >>wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> how else would you suggest building a tower?!?!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> friends don't let friends use omni's ;-)
> >> >>>

Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

[TJ Trout]

Chuck could consider allowing vendors to post ad's on a specific day and
time for a specific fee, but that's a whole other animal to deal with, the
plus would be he could add like *SPONSORED AD* to the title which we can
all filter straight to spam if desired 😎

On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 1:56 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Its is Overkill, providing your time has no value to chase down why X Mail
> server can’t be delivered to, or why X mail server has undefined bounces or
> x firewall system thinks it’s spam, etc. etc.
>
>
>
> Amazon never goes down, never gets blacklisted.
>
>
>
> If you are cool with bulk mailserver drama, then have a go at switching,
> and managing that aspect.   😊
>
>
>
> AES is not the cheapest option no doubt.  This was a choice Chuck and I
> made to make sure it “just worked” because we all have businesses that,
> hopefully, are successful enough to not want to fuss with it.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 18, 2018 2:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive
>
>
>
> What is SES?  Amazon?
>
>
>
> That seems overkill for a mailing list.
>
>
> On Feb 18, 2018, at 14:09, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> SES
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:05:36 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive
>
> Support of what???
>
>
>
> What the heck costs that much?
>
>
>
> Mailman takes all of 10 minutes to install and just lives after that.
>
>
> On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:52, Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
>
>
> Last time this was brought up the cost was $3000 for the year including
> support, $1800 not including support.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Matt Hoppes  rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> Can it really be more than $5
>
>
>
> How much memory, CPU, and storage can a mailing list take when virtualized?
>
>
> On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:20, Keefe John  wrote:
>
> Just curious, what are the monthly costs to operate this list?
>
> On February 18, 2018 11:13:54 AM CST, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
>
> I notice it has been a while since we pushed a bit to help fund the
> not-insignificant AWS expense that keeps this list alive.
>
> Please clean out your couch cushions and paypal the revenue created to
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> Paul, what is the current status of our deficit?
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...

[TJ Trout]

You sound like a paranoid flat earther :)

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 8:12 AM, Robert  wrote:

> Could be phoning home, but now I've got s/w trying to phone into my DNS
> servers...
>
> On 2/18/18 8:04 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> You sure it is not just the camera phoning home for a software update?
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Robert
>> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 8:43 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] To good to be true... it was...
>>
>> Frick'n peoples republic.   So I bought a couple of those $300 PTZ
>> cameras.   & my monitoring system saw some attempts to intrude from
>> inside my network.   So I am now on the alert and when the cameras start
>> up I see some traffic when there shouldn't be.   It's the cameras
>> reaching out from the 10 net...   To this address
>>
>> Now I have to consider part of my core compromised...
>>
>> whois 112.124.0.188
>>
>> #
>> # ARIN WHOIS data and services are subject to the Terms of Use
>> # available at: https://www.arin.net/whois_tou.html
>> #
>> # If you see inaccuracies in the results, please report at
>> # https://www.arin.net/public/whoisinaccuracy/index.xhtml
>> #
>>
>>
>> #
>> # Query terms are ambiguous.  The query is assumed to be:
>> # "n 112.124.0.188"
>> #
>> # Use "?" to get help.
>> #
>>
>> #
>> # The following results may also be obtained via:
>> #
>> https://whois.arin.net/rest/nets;q=112.124.0.188?showDetails
>> =true&showARIN=false&showNonArinTopLevelNet=false&ext=netref2
>> #
>>
>> NetRange:   112.0.0.0 - 112.255.255.255
>> CIDR:   112.0.0.0/8
>> NetName:APNIC-112
>> NetHandle:  NET-112-0-0-0-1
>> Parent:  ()
>> NetType:Allocated to APNIC
>> OriginAS:
>> Organization:   Asia Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC)
>> RegDate:2008-05-26
>> Updated:2010-07-30
>> Comment:This IP address range is not registered in the ARIN
>> database.
>> Comment:For details, refer to the APNIC Whois Database via
>> Comment:WHOIS.APNIC.NET or http://wq.apnic.net/apnic-bin/whois.pl
>> Comment:** IMPORTANT NOTE: APNIC is the Regional Internet Registry
>> Comment:for the Asia Pacific region. APNIC does not operate
>> networks
>> Comment:using this IP address range and is not able to investigate
>> Comment:spam or abuse reports relating to these addresses. For
>> more
>> Comment:help, refer to
>> http://www.apnic.net/apnic-info/whois_search2/abuse-and-spamming
>> Ref:https://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-112-0-0-0-1
>>
>> ResourceLink:  http://wq.apnic.net/whois-search/static/search.html
>> ResourceLink:  whois.apnic.net
>>
>> OrgName:Asia Pacific Network Information Centre
>> OrgId:  APNIC
>> Address:PO Box 3646
>> City:   South Brisbane
>> StateProv:  QLD
>> PostalCode: 4101
>> Country:AU
>> RegDate:
>> Updated:2012-01-24
>> Ref:https://whois.arin.net/rest/org/APNIC
>>
>> ReferralServer:  whois://whois.apnic.net
>> ResourceLink:  http://wq.apnic.net/whois-search/static/search.html
>>
>> OrgTechHandle: AWC12-ARIN
>> OrgTechName:   APNIC Whois Contact
>> OrgTechPhone:  +61 7 3858 3188
>> OrgTechEmail:  search-apnic-not-a...@apnic.net
>> OrgTechRef:https://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/AWC12-ARIN
>>
>> OrgAbuseHandle: AWC12-ARIN
>> OrgAbuseName:   APNIC Whois Contact
>> OrgAbusePhone:  +61 7 3858 3188
>> OrgAbuseEmail:  search-apnic-not-a...@apnic.net
>> OrgAbuseRef:https://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/AWC12-ARIN
>>
>>
>> #
>> # ARIN WHOIS data and services are subject to the Terms of Use
>> # available at: https://www.arin.net/whois_tou.html
>> #
>> # If you see inaccuracies in the results, please report at
>> # https://www.arin.net/public/whoisinaccuracy/index.xhtml
>> #
>>
>> % [whois.apnic.net]
>> % Whois data copyright termshttp://www.apnic.net/db/dbcopyright.html
>>
>> % Information related to '112.124.0.0 - 112.127.255.255'
>>
>> % Abuse contact for '112.124.0.0 - 112.127.255.255' is 'i...@cnnic.cn'
>>
>> inetnum:112.124.0.0 - 112.127.255.255
>> netname:ALISOFT
>> descr:  Aliyun Computing Co., LTD
>> descr:  5F, Builing D, the West Lake International Plaza of S&T
>> descr:  No.391 Wen'er Road, Hangzhou, Zhejiang, China, 310099
>> country:CN
>> admin-c:ZM1015-AP
>> tech-c: ZM877-AP
>> tech-c: ZM876-AP
>> tech-c: ZM875-AP
>> mnt-by: MAINT-CNNIC-AP
>> mnt-irt:IRT-CNNIC-CN
>> status: ALLOCATED PORTABLE
>> last-modified:  2014-07-30T03:22:02Z
>> source: APNIC
>>
>> irt:IRT-CNNIC-CN
>> address:Beijing, China
>> e-mail: i...@cnnic.cn
>> abuse-mailbox:  i...@cnnic.cn
>> admin-c:IP50-AP
>> tech-c: IP50-AP
>> auth:   # Filtered
>> remarks:Please note that CNNIC is not an ISP and is not
>> remarks:empowered to investigate complaints of network abuse.
>> remarks:Ple

Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

[TJ Trout]

Crazy cost, I bet this list would live happy as ever on 1mbps...

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 9:13 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I notice it has been a while since we pushed a bit to help fund the
> not-insignificant AWS expense that keeps this list alive.
>
> Please clean out your couch cushions and paypal the revenue created to
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> Paul, what is the current status of our deficit?
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 powered with mimosa POE

[TJ Trout]

AF5 I meant

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Mathew Howard 
wrote:

> AF5x is... I assume an AF5 would be too, but I haven't ever tried it. My
> experience has been that pretty much anything that does PoE on a gigabit
> port is polarity agnostic.
>
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 2:25 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know if the AF6 is polarity agnostic?
>>
>> It calls for 1245+ 3678- but I have a mimosa POE only and it's a
>> different pinout
>>
>> I think it's 1236 +4578-
>>
>> Has anyone tested? Smoke?
>>
>> TJ
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] AF5 powered with mimosa POE

[TJ Trout]

Does anyone know if the AF6 is polarity agnostic?

It calls for 1245+ 3678- but I have a mimosa POE only and it's a different
pinout

I think it's 1236 +4578-

Has anyone tested? Smoke?

TJ

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

[TJ Trout]

+1

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Robert  wrote:

> +1
>
> On 2/15/18 7:49 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
>> I can.� I can have them hanging out the front and eliminate the finger
>> pull hole.
>> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2018 7:49 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
>> You can make the cards longer�
>> From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown <
>> ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 4:02 PM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
>>
>> *//*
>>
>> */Gino A. Villarini/*
>>
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> I ran out of room when I tried.� That is on the APC version.
>> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:30 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
>> O need both the SS and the Fuse? can�t they be integrated in the same
>> unit?
>> From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown <
>> ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 11:50 AM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
>>
>> *//*
>>
>> */Gino A. Villarini/*
>>
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> Two similar questions:
>> Surge suppressors can blow ports.� If you have a surge, the surge
>> protector will clamp all the Ethernet lines to ground.� That shorts them
>> all together and grounds them.� That will also blow some POE ports.
>> So you need surge protectors to protect things from surges, but you need
>> fuses to protect the POE source from the surge protector.� Learned this
>> the hard way.
>> *From:* can...@believewireless.net
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:48 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
>> So for a Netonix, do we just need the fuse or do we need the surge
>> arrestor card as well?
>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:41 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>>
>> per chuck they must be fueses to protect a netonix, anything else
>> was too slow.
>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to
>> make a device that recovers automatically after the short
>> circuit has ended while also responding fast enough to protect
>> the port?
>>
>> Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much?
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>> Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
>>
>> We have been shipping for months.
>> The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the
>> cost of the fuse.
>> And then there is the labor and downtime and other
>> intangible expenses involved in blowing a port.
>>
>> The prices are lower if you buy from one of my
>> distributors.� I don't encourage anyone to buy off my
>> ecommerce site and pay full list price.� That site is only
>> there to generate sales for distributors.
>>
>> All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.
>>  Same formula across the board pretty much.� I try to have
>> unique products you can't get other places.��� If volume
>> increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the price down
>> due to the fact that my costs come down.� For example, if I
>> am buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for
>> each.� But if I am only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.
>>
>> I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower
>> surge protector for exactly this reason. Volume picked up, I
>> worked on sourcing and buying and was able to drop the list
>> price considerably and still maintain my margins.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
>> To: Animal Farm
>> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
>>
>> Hi Chuck,
>>
>> Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.
>>
>> Question & critique.
>> When are these going to be available ?
>> We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
>> (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports
>> appears to be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is
>> protecting ! )
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or
>> Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[TJ Trout]

Chuck,

I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm plan, just
play around with some stuff?

TJ

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Red Iguana
>
> We could do it kinda like it started.
>
> Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel conference room and
> whoever shows up shows up.
>
> Not sure what Wispa would think about that...
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> I vote to move AF back to Salt Lake. It was a good excuse to get some
> powder days in...oh, and the conference was good too.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> and three NANOGs, one GPF, one PTC, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Jay Weekley" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:00:16 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>> I admit I had a bit of conference fatigue with Animal Farm, two WISPA
>> shows and a FISPA conference all in the same year.
>>
>> Chuck McCown wrote:
>> > It can be done.  We outsourced much of it once we got the process
>> > down.  But WispAmerica has been pretty good to me and I think they
>> > think that AF as its own show may cut attendance to WispAmerica.
>> > Two shows, same season, one much cheaper than the other...
>> > So yeah, WispAmerica has an AnimalFarm track.  Same format as before.
>> > Manufacturers send engineers and we discuss technical stuff.  And I
>> > don’t have to do much other than MC the event.
>> > *From:* TJ Trout
>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:27 PM
>> > *To:* af@afmug.com
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>> > Chuck,
>> > How feasible would it be to bring AF back to Utah and outsource the
>> > unpalatable parts of planning?
>> > Obviously the cost would go up per person? Once you broke it off into
>> > wispa I haven't attended since...
>> > Maybe I should give it a shot, you will be having a AF group @
>> > wispamerica in 20 days?
>> > TJ
>> > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > >>My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
>> > Thus the need for a fuse !
>> > :)
>> > Faisal Imtiaz
>> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> > http://www.snappytelecom.net
>> >
>> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>> 
>> >
>> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>  Option 2 or
>> > Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> > 
>> 
>> >
>> > *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> > *To: *af@afmug.com
>> > *Sent: *Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:31:55 PM
>> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>> >
>> > My surge protectors are known to have an enhancement effect...
>> > *From:* Adam Moffett
>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:13 PM
>> > *To:* af@afmug.com
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>
>> > That's hitting the nail on the head.  I don't want penis
>> > enlargement spam, but I definitely want to hear about surge
>> > protectors and power systems and network equipment.
>> > Spam me Chuck.  Spam me like one of your French girls.
>> > -- Original Message --
>> > From: "Mathew Howard" 
>> > To: "af" 
>> > Sent: 2/13/2018 3:57:19 PM
>&

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

[TJ Trout]

per chuck they must be fueses to protect a netonix, anything else was too
slow.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a
> device that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended while
> also responding fast enough to protect the port?
>
> Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
>
> We have been shipping for months.
>> The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the
>> fuse.
>> And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses
>> involved in blowing a port.
>>
>> The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't
>> encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price.
>> That site is only there to generate sales for distributors.
>>
>> All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula
>> across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't get
>> other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the
>> price down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I am
>> buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I am
>> only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.
>>
>> I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector
>> for exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying
>> and was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my
>> margins.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
>> To: Animal Farm
>> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
>>
>> Hi Chuck,
>>
>> Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.
>>
>> Question & critique.
>>  When are these going to be available ?
>>  We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
>>  (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be
>> exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[TJ Trout]

I enjoy the email check sends, it's always entertaining.

Sounds like you should just unsubscribe and head off to the UBNT forums!

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
wrote:

> Why, thank you Jay!
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
> On Feb 13, 2018, at 4:03 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:
>
>
> i must get 20+ messages a month from various vendors.  mostly part of
> being a WISPA member.
> i glance at most...but most often just use shift-delete a whole lot.
>
> I can mention several things I have really appreciated getting from "spam"
>
> * Baicells Black Friday Deal
> * Jeff Broadwick's newsletter posts
> *  Chuck Mccown's product announcements
>
> I guess there are other product announcements I prefer too.
>
> I shop at Baltic a lot, i usually read their stuff
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* fiber...@mail.com
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:25 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018
> > From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> >
> > You do realize that this list is my list, right?
>   No, I did not know that. It doesn't say so when you sign up for the
> list.
>
> > So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right?
>   Participating on the list isn't quite the same as inboxing me directly
> with a canned message.
>
> > I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
>   Your list, your rules. I still don't think it's cool to send out
> unsolicited commercial messages without an opt-in. Furthermore industry
> best practices include using a double opt-in. Mailchimp support double
> opt-in: https://kb.mailchimp.com/lists/signup-forms/about-double-opt-in
>
>   In summary: I did not know that by joining the Af list I would,
> unbeknownst to me and surreptitiously, be signed up for another direct
> email list.
>
> Jared
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

[TJ Trout]

https://www.ubnt.com/products/#ufiber

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 7:26 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> Chuck, don't forget to look at the GPON SFP OLT's available probably
> cheaper, easier and more efficient than AE these days?
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I called Mr. Google at home once, at first they wouldn’t let me talk to
>> him but I explained that our DNS was very slow, finally his housekeeper
>> took the wireless phone out to the pool and he took a few minutes to listen
>> to me.  I wasn’t sure he was really listening to my bitching but it started
>> working later in the day.  So I guess he asked someone to look at it.  I
>> think I still have that matchbook with his number in it...
>>
>> *From:* Dennis Burgess
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 3:35 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box
>>
>>
>> I would not state that 8.8.8.8 or any of the public DNS servers out there
>> that state that you can use their DNS servers are bad.  However, think of
>> these two issues:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1.   What happens when that DNS server returns answers (still
>> responds), just it takes 6000 ms to do so. ?  Who do you contact?
>>
>> 2.   If you are not paying for it, then what kind of influence can
>> you have on it?   I look at Google. Is google within your circle of
>> influence?   No?  You can’t pick up the phone and call them, you can barely
>> find an e-mail to email them?   And even if you could call them, you are
>> not paying them anything, why do they care what is occurring? They don’t!
>>
>>
>>
>> DNS is a required function to work on-line, simple as that, if its slow,
>> etc., then it’s your service that’s slow not the DNS servers, hence, why
>> you need a fast responding DNS server.
>>
>>
>>
>> In this case, using your upstream and caching at the MT is most likely
>> fine and if you wish to put on a full blown DNS server, then you can do so
>> at minimal cost, but don’t use something that you can’t influence.  I can
>> tell people how many times I have found issues with DNS that they don’t own
>> or control; and have little to say about how it operates..   Its wayyy to
>> often.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dennis Burgess
>>
>> www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 <(314)%20735-0270> –
>> dmburg...@linktechs.net
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 3:10 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box
>>
>>
>>
>> I think that was me you asked about those three items.
>>
>>
>>
>> AND we still use 8.8.8.8 DNS resolvers.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know, it’s bad, but one of my upstreams is directly on Google CDN so it
>> ‘applies’.
>>
>>
>>
>> I do like redundancy though.
>>
>>
>>
>> So if you use one CCR, get two of them for your project, they are
>> relatively cheap.
>>
>>
>>
>> With fiber you really don’t need the extra servers for bandwidth shaping,
>> I just shape at the CPE or switch port.
>>
>>
>>
>> So in one cabinet you put say a 144 count panel and splice on, then get a
>> SFP switch and two CCR routers.
>>
>> I have used the 1036 CCR in some areas to start, and a pair of those
>> running VRRP between them works great.
>>
>> Plug both into 10Gbps SFP+ ports on the switch/switches and you have
>> ‘standard’ redundancy.
>>
>>
>>
>> Meaning you can bring in two 10Gbps links, one to each of the CCR units,
>> and have redundant SFP+ links to the switch bank as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> They have more than enough horse power to run DHCP, NAT, DNS etc between
>> them to fill the duties for the cabinet/site.
>>
>>
>>
>> Get a UPS, I use Alpha, and four batteries on it should work well.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cabinet can be 20AMP and run plenty of switches on that.
>>
>>
>>
>> I also buy an AC unit and attach it to the side of the cabinet.
>>
>>
>>
>> I put some monitoring in there on a separate managed network to keep
>> track of power and heat/temp and track the switches/CPE’s etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> That’s about it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rinse, repeat.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailt

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

[TJ Trout]

Chuck, don't forget to look at the GPON SFP OLT's available probably
cheaper, easier and more efficient than AE these days?

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I called Mr. Google at home once, at first they wouldn’t let me talk to
> him but I explained that our DNS was very slow, finally his housekeeper
> took the wireless phone out to the pool and he took a few minutes to listen
> to me.  I wasn’t sure he was really listening to my bitching but it started
> working later in the day.  So I guess he asked someone to look at it.  I
> think I still have that matchbook with his number in it...
>
> *From:* Dennis Burgess
> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 3:35 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box
>
>
> I would not state that 8.8.8.8 or any of the public DNS servers out there
> that state that you can use their DNS servers are bad.  However, think of
> these two issues:
>
>
>
> 1.   What happens when that DNS server returns answers (still
> responds), just it takes 6000 ms to do so. ?  Who do you contact?
>
> 2.   If you are not paying for it, then what kind of influence can
> you have on it?   I look at Google. Is google within your circle of
> influence?   No?  You can’t pick up the phone and call them, you can barely
> find an e-mail to email them?   And even if you could call them, you are
> not paying them anything, why do they care what is occurring? They don’t!
>
>
>
> DNS is a required function to work on-line, simple as that, if its slow,
> etc., then it’s your service that’s slow not the DNS servers, hence, why
> you need a fast responding DNS server.
>
>
>
> In this case, using your upstream and caching at the MT is most likely
> fine and if you wish to put on a full blown DNS server, then you can do so
> at minimal cost, but don’t use something that you can’t influence.  I can
> tell people how many times I have found issues with DNS that they don’t own
> or control; and have little to say about how it operates..   Its wayyy to
> often.
>
>
>
>
>
> Dennis Burgess
>
> www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 <(314)%20735-0270> –
> dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 3:10 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box
>
>
>
> I think that was me you asked about those three items.
>
>
>
> AND we still use 8.8.8.8 DNS resolvers.
>
>
>
> I know, it’s bad, but one of my upstreams is directly on Google CDN so it
> ‘applies’.
>
>
>
> I do like redundancy though.
>
>
>
> So if you use one CCR, get two of them for your project, they are
> relatively cheap.
>
>
>
> With fiber you really don’t need the extra servers for bandwidth shaping,
> I just shape at the CPE or switch port.
>
>
>
> So in one cabinet you put say a 144 count panel and splice on, then get a
> SFP switch and two CCR routers.
>
> I have used the 1036 CCR in some areas to start, and a pair of those
> running VRRP between them works great.
>
> Plug both into 10Gbps SFP+ ports on the switch/switches and you have
> ‘standard’ redundancy.
>
>
>
> Meaning you can bring in two 10Gbps links, one to each of the CCR units,
> and have redundant SFP+ links to the switch bank as well.
>
>
>
> They have more than enough horse power to run DHCP, NAT, DNS etc between
> them to fill the duties for the cabinet/site.
>
>
>
> Get a UPS, I use Alpha, and four batteries on it should work well.
>
>
>
> Cabinet can be 20AMP and run plenty of switches on that.
>
>
>
> I also buy an AC unit and attach it to the side of the cabinet.
>
>
>
> I put some monitoring in there on a separate managed network to keep track
> of power and heat/temp and track the switches/CPE’s etc.
>
>
>
> That’s about it.
>
>
>
> Rinse, repeat.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 1:02 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box
>
>
>
> Guess I don’t need DNS.  8.8.8.8 seems cheap and easy...
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
>
> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 12:59 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] ISP in a box
>
>
>
> Had a subdivision developer contact me, wanting service for their hundred
> or so homes.
>
> I can get DIA close to the area at a reasonable area.  It will require
> some build but that is OK, that is something I feel some level of
> expertise.
>
>
>
> Considering a minimal NOC build.
>
>
>
> I asked this question of someone once before and I cannot find their
> answer.  Not sure if asked on the list or not.  But the answer went
> something like this:
>
>
>
>1. Buy a big CCR.
>2. Hire Linktechs to configure it.
>3. Put in a big switch for the AE SFPs and rock and roll.
>
>
>
> I am sure I would need at least one server.  DHCP, NAT, DNS?
>
> But can all of that be provided by the CCR?
>
>
>
> What is the smallest NOC configuration that could be created?
>
>
>
> Batts, r

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

[TJ Trout]

af11's are pretty cheap

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 4:19 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
wrote:

> In general, ePMP.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
> On Feb 12, 2018, at 7:08 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> So if y’all were helping a friend would you recommend 450 or ePMP?
>
> I doubt he will ever have more than 50 customers.
>
> I have not had much experience with ePMP in the last 4 years.  I didn’t
> like it when it first came out.
>
> *From:* Joe Novak
> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 4:56 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
>
> We have a few towers with AF5x and Cambium EPMP co-existing. Some have
> vertical separation, some are grain elevators. Just gotta have some
> frequency separation. I really like them. Latency under load is good, it's
> a purpose built radio and I think it serves it's purpose well. If he has
> the option to use the AF5XHD or whatever the naming convention is even
> better, I think it hit general availability.
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Two AF5x on same tower, One AP on second tower 20 ft away...all other
>> radios within 4 mile radius...
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Feb 12, 2018 4:43 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>>> All on the same tower, right?
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 4:41 PM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
>>>
>>> Yes..I have two AF5X links as PTP and 25 radios all in 5 GHz off 4 APs
>>> in Fabens, Texas sharing spectrum with 3 WISPs...no issues...
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Feb 12, 2018 4:32 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>
 Talking to a friend that wants to build a small wisp.  He is about 5.5
 miles from a backbone connection.  I would suggest AF5X to him but he is
 gonna want to use 5 GHz for his wisp I presume.

 Can an AF5X and some 5 GHz cambium (or others) access points peacefully
 coexist on a tower?
 Very rural area.  Not expecting much interference other than home
 routers.

>>>
>
>

[AFMUG] UCC

[TJ Trout]

I have a particular carrier that charges me UCC on point-to-point circuits
within the same state in a blanket fashion and then each time I turn up a
new circuit I have to go back and realize that they are charging me UCC and
get them to revise the contract each and every time. UCC is not do unless
the point-to-point crosses state lines.

I encourage everybody that has a point to point to look at their billing
and make sure they're not paying exorbitant extra taxes. The difference is
12% versus 35% with this specific carrier.

Has anybody else encountered the same issue before?

TJ

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

[TJ Trout]

Forrest,

It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches
inside, I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.

I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate switch so
we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.

TJ

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.
>
> I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 450i/450m
> with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP port), mainly
> designed for tower top mounting.   Not far enough along to say when it will
> ship, or even if it's ever going to see the light of day.
>
> Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever
> solution you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 pairs.
> Neither the 450i or 450m really care about polarity, unless you're doing
> sync, and then only on the 450i since the 450m does the new cambium sync
> only.
>
> If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux
> powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well.  There will be a version
> which does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure thing, just we don't
> know timing yet.
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris  wrote:
>
>> Good morning,
>>
>> Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 - 450m aps
>> per tower.
>>
>> I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about some issues
>> with these devices and their support not being that great.
>>
>> *Tyson Burris, President*
>>   *Internet Communications Inc.*
>>   *739 Commerce Dr.*
>> *
>> 
>> **Franklin, IN 46131*
>>
>> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
>> *317-412-1540 <317-412-1540> Cell/Direct #*
>> *Online: **www.surfici.net* 
>>
>>
>> VIA WIRELESS
>>
>> ___
>> Members mailing list
>> memb...@wispa.org
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> 
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[TJ Trout]

I'm talking about the first ever unifi AC ap, it was junk.

You had to have line of site to connect to the stupid thing (almost), but
seriously like 15ft range @ 5ghz, maybe 25ft @ 2.4ghz

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On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:

> Yes - I can confirm that the new-ish Lites are 802.3af.
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
>> I have a bunch of the UAP-AC-LITE (802.11ac, 2x2, dual band) which are
>> like $79. The ones I have are 24VDC gigabit only. Have heard that the
>> newest shipping version of the same model does support 802.3af power now,
>> which is convenient. Don't quite understand how TJ wasn't happy with them
>> being a "flop".
>>
>> If you want a properly set up Unifi controller virtual machine or
>> physical system on a network, it does take a bit of Linux knowledge to do
>> it right, and ensure that it can be continually updated.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> Unifi AC Pro/Lite is just fine.  We use them everywhere.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:35 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I guess I need more penetration or another e400, but they can't
>>>> seamlessly roam right?
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dave  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> E400 Hands down.. We are using them every where.
>>>>> Have not tried new 410 yet but was very impressed with 400
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 01/31/2018 10:53 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the original
>>>>> version which was a complete flop and waste of money. I didn't upgraded to
>>>>> the cambium e400 but I've moved into a larger house now and the coverage 
>>>>> is
>>>>> not very good.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the best option currently for the longest range most reliable
>>>>> ceiling mount AP available?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!!
>>>>>
>>>>> TJ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OOBE mikrotik

[TJ Trout]

they do but it's not direct TCP like I would like (aka dedicated static)
but neat none the less, they have a very cheap monthly rate but they per MB
rate is very high compared to twilio and others

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 7:51 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> But if Hologram has a way to access the device like Lewis says, there's no
> reason to maintain a persistent VPN connection.
>
> On Jan 31, 2018 8:45 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:
>
> Slightly more expensive, but t-mobile has plans that are $20-25/mo and
> "unlimited" rate limited 128kbps x 128 kbps after that. For a critical site
> $20/mo can be worth it.
>
> $2/mo is not a realistic figure if you're maintaining a persistent VPN
> connection, the $ per MB rate for those sort of plans is actually worse.
> Just the periodic handshakes and keepalives will eat through 20-25MB in a
> month.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:19 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Interesting...I didn’t know there were plans for $2/mo.  That definitely
>> makes it worthwhile to have a backdoor LTE connection to towers.
>>
>> I’ll have to check into that
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 1:30 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>>
>>> Never, but it's not a bad idea to have out of band management? I can get
>>> the LTE service for $2 a month + data used (ssh data = zero)
>>>
>>> TJ
>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:09 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Um how often are you loosing contact with your sites to necessitate
>>>> this LTE backdoor?
>>>>
>>>> Seems like a lot of overkill to make routing changes???
>>>>
>>>> Am I missing something?
>>>>
>>>> -sean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 11:48 AM TJ Trout  wrote:
>>>>
>>> Does anyone want to trade a PPTP connection (prefer you are multihomed)
>>>>> for the purpose of getting through LTE NAT? AKA I assign you a PPTP 
>>>>> account
>>>>> with a static IPV4 and you do the same, so that if either of our networks
>>>>> go down we can use the others to tunnel back thru LTE to preform OOBM
>>>>> functions? We can shape @ 1mbps?
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a simple was around paying high fees for a static IP from the
>>>>> wireless carriers that even offer it...
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't really want to subscribe to some russian vpn service if I
>>>>> don't have to, or pay some cloud based OOBM company which will both cost
>>>>> way big$$$
>>>>>
>>>>> TJ
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 10:32 AM, Adam Moffett 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You can use PPTP through NAT on LTE.  You can assign a static private
>>>>>> IP to both ends of that tunnel.
>>>>>> If PPTP won't pass something you need, you can run an EoIP tunnel
>>>>>> using the PPTP IP's as the endpoints of the EoIP tunnel.  You end up 
>>>>>> with a
>>>>>> tunnel inside of a tunnel.  It'll have a lowish real MTU, but you can 
>>>>>> pass
>>>>>> 1500 bytes within the EoIP tunnel and it'll just be fragmented.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Original Message --
>>>>>> From: "TJ Trout" 
>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>> Sent: 1/31/2018 12:51:40 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] OOBE mikrotik
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was wanting to add out of band management via LTE to some of our
>>>>>> core routers, but I think most/all cellular networks are NAT now so you
>>>>>> cannot access your LTE devices inbound unless you have it tunnel out to a
>>>>>> public ip over VPN somewhere right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How is everyone handling OOBE?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm half tempted to do it via VHF low throughput radios!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TJ
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[TJ Trout]

Jeremy must hate POE switches also why the APC with your DC plant, have
you considered a dc-ac inverter?

Where is the AC-DC power supply? dont see one in rack

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:59 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> I love my ICT stuff!
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:01 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Unless your batteries are really stoned.
>> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Wednesday, January
>> 31, 2018 5:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant
>> conversion
>> On 1/31/18 15:44, Josh Baird wrote:
>>
>>> Do NOT use the SD series.  Sager is a reputable supplier!  The RSD units
>>> can be hard to find at times, but are super reliable.
>>>
>>
>>
>> SD-500 and larger does do constant current limiting but with a 5 second
>> shutoff. All of the smaller SD series do not. 5 seconds should be more than
>> enough for startup inrush though.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OOBE mikrotik

[TJ Trout]

same as twilio which we use, problem is all LTE is NAT, how do i login to a
device behind nat when I cannot force the carrier to give me a port forward?

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 4:16 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Hologram network and set up their site to do it for you. Pretty slick. I
> also like that is really cheap if you don't use it. As a warning, don't let
> the MT put a default route in for it or you will pay huge if your primary
> goes down. Otherwise it is so close to free it is crazy.
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:30 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> Never, but it's not a bad idea to have out of band management? I can get
>> the LTE service for $2 a month + data used (ssh data = zero)
>>
>> TJ
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:09 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Um how often are you loosing contact with your sites to necessitate this
>>> LTE backdoor?
>>>
>>> Seems like a lot of overkill to make routing changes???
>>>
>>> Am I missing something?
>>>
>>> -sean
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 11:48 AM TJ Trout  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does anyone want to trade a PPTP connection (prefer you are multihomed)
>>>> for the purpose of getting through LTE NAT? AKA I assign you a PPTP account
>>>> with a static IPV4 and you do the same, so that if either of our networks
>>>> go down we can use the others to tunnel back thru LTE to preform OOBM
>>>> functions? We can shape @ 1mbps?
>>>>
>>>> This is a simple was around paying high fees for a static IP from the
>>>> wireless carriers that even offer it...
>>>>
>>>> I don't really want to subscribe to some russian vpn service if I don't
>>>> have to, or pay some cloud based OOBM company which will both cost way
>>>> big$$$
>>>>
>>>> TJ
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 10:32 AM, Adam Moffett 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You can use PPTP through NAT on LTE.  You can assign a static private
>>>>> IP to both ends of that tunnel.
>>>>> If PPTP won't pass something you need, you can run an EoIP tunnel
>>>>> using the PPTP IP's as the endpoints of the EoIP tunnel.  You end up with 
>>>>> a
>>>>> tunnel inside of a tunnel.  It'll have a lowish real MTU, but you can pass
>>>>> 1500 bytes within the EoIP tunnel and it'll just be fragmented.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Original Message --
>>>>> From: "TJ Trout" 
>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>> Sent: 1/31/2018 12:51:40 PM
>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] OOBE mikrotik
>>>>>
>>>>> I was wanting to add out of band management via LTE to some of our
>>>>> core routers, but I think most/all cellular networks are NAT now so you
>>>>> cannot access your LTE devices inbound unless you have it tunnel out to a
>>>>> public ip over VPN somewhere right?
>>>>>
>>>>> How is everyone handling OOBE?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm half tempted to do it via VHF low throughput radios!
>>>>>
>>>>> TJ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[TJ Trout]

I wasted a small fortune with the SD series. what a joke.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 4:20 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 1/31/18 15:44, Josh Baird wrote:
>
>> Do NOT use the SD series.  Sager is a reputable supplier!  The RSD units
>> can be hard to find at times, but are super reliable.
>>
>
>
> SD-500 and larger does do constant current limiting but with a 5 second
> shutoff. All of the smaller SD series do not. 5 seconds should be more than
> enough for startup inrush though.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OOBE mikrotik

[TJ Trout]

Never, but it's not a bad idea to have out of band management? I can get
the LTE service for $2 a month + data used (ssh data = zero)

TJ

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:09 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Um how often are you loosing contact with your sites to necessitate this
> LTE backdoor?
>
> Seems like a lot of overkill to make routing changes???
>
> Am I missing something?
>
> -sean
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 11:48 AM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> Does anyone want to trade a PPTP connection (prefer you are multihomed)
>> for the purpose of getting through LTE NAT? AKA I assign you a PPTP account
>> with a static IPV4 and you do the same, so that if either of our networks
>> go down we can use the others to tunnel back thru LTE to preform OOBM
>> functions? We can shape @ 1mbps?
>>
>> This is a simple was around paying high fees for a static IP from the
>> wireless carriers that even offer it...
>>
>> I don't really want to subscribe to some russian vpn service if I don't
>> have to, or pay some cloud based OOBM company which will both cost way
>> big$$$
>>
>> TJ
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 10:32 AM, Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You can use PPTP through NAT on LTE.  You can assign a static private IP
>>> to both ends of that tunnel.
>>> If PPTP won't pass something you need, you can run an EoIP tunnel using
>>> the PPTP IP's as the endpoints of the EoIP tunnel.  You end up with a
>>> tunnel inside of a tunnel.  It'll have a lowish real MTU, but you can pass
>>> 1500 bytes within the EoIP tunnel and it'll just be fragmented.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "TJ Trout" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 1/31/2018 12:51:40 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] OOBE mikrotik
>>>
>>> I was wanting to add out of band management via LTE to some of our core
>>> routers, but I think most/all cellular networks are NAT now so you cannot
>>> access your LTE devices inbound unless you have it tunnel out to a public
>>> ip over VPN somewhere right?
>>>
>>> How is everyone handling OOBE?
>>>
>>> I'm half tempted to do it via VHF low throughput radios!
>>>
>>> TJ
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[TJ Trout]

ICT is amazing (made in canada) never had a single failure in 10+ years!

You can use the intellicharge series and a ethernet relay set (like packet
flux), the bast is their modular system with redundant psu's, breakers,
remote reboot and monitoring, battery charging, testing etc but they are
pricey$$

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:22 PM, Mathew Howard 
wrote:

> Yep, the PacketFlux PDU is perfect for that. We have a couple of Baicells
> eNBs running off them.
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:03 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> PacketFlux (PDU) would be able to power cycle DC powered radios.  This is
>> likely what we'll be doing for Baicells eNB's.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:58 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>>
>>> I have been looking at ICT.   The ICT600-48SBC Power Supply and the
>>> ICT200DF-12IRC distribution panel.   This with a Netonix would do
>>> everything.  We have sites with Telrad so the distribution panel will allow
>>> them to be power cycled when necessary.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone using ICT?  Bit pricy though, looking at $1,600 plus…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Need a solution where we can power cycle DC powered radios.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *
>>> can...@believewireless.net
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 27, 2018 3:51 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's a little spendy but about how about 1 $670 option? Alpha Cordex PSU
>>> 24V 400W.
>>>
>>> Remote monitoring, e-mailed alerts, swappable rectifier, DIN mount, etc.
>>>
>>> Add a Netonix switch and you can power just about anything.​
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp
>>> budget interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving
>>> realistic advice that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components
>>> combined with a full time linux guy and a full time coder?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have
>>> some advisory busget.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on
>>> batteries coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by
>>> letting the apcs die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go
>>> to the facebook groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OOBE mikrotik

[TJ Trout]

Does anyone want to trade a PPTP connection (prefer you are multihomed) for
the purpose of getting through LTE NAT? AKA I assign you a PPTP account
with a static IPV4 and you do the same, so that if either of our networks
go down we can use the others to tunnel back thru LTE to preform OOBM
functions? We can shape @ 1mbps?

This is a simple was around paying high fees for a static IP from the
wireless carriers that even offer it...

I don't really want to subscribe to some russian vpn service if I don't
have to, or pay some cloud based OOBM company which will both cost way
big$$$

TJ

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 10:32 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> You can use PPTP through NAT on LTE.  You can assign a static private IP
> to both ends of that tunnel.
> If PPTP won't pass something you need, you can run an EoIP tunnel using
> the PPTP IP's as the endpoints of the EoIP tunnel.  You end up with a
> tunnel inside of a tunnel.  It'll have a lowish real MTU, but you can pass
> 1500 bytes within the EoIP tunnel and it'll just be fragmented.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "TJ Trout" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 1/31/2018 12:51:40 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] OOBE mikrotik
>
> I was wanting to add out of band management via LTE to some of our core
> routers, but I think most/all cellular networks are NAT now so you cannot
> access your LTE devices inbound unless you have it tunnel out to a public
> ip over VPN somewhere right?
>
> How is everyone handling OOBE?
>
> I'm half tempted to do it via VHF low throughput radios!
>
> TJ
>
>

[AFMUG] OOBE mikrotik

[TJ Trout]

I was wanting to add out of band management via LTE to some of our core
routers, but I think most/all cellular networks are NAT now so you cannot
access your LTE devices inbound unless you have it tunnel out to a public
ip over VPN somewhere right?

How is everyone handling OOBE?

I'm half tempted to do it via VHF low throughput radios!

TJ

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[TJ Trout]

I guess I need more penetration or another e400, but they can't seamlessly
roam right?

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dave  wrote:

> E400 Hands down.. We are using them every where.
> Have not tried new 410 yet but was very impressed with 400
>
>
>
> On 01/31/2018 10:53 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
>
> First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the original version
> which was a complete flop and waste of money. I didn't upgraded to the
> cambium e400 but I've moved into a larger house now and the coverage is not
> very good.
>
> What is the best option currently for the longest range most reliable
> ceiling mount AP available?
>
> Thanks!!
>
> TJ
>
>
> --
>

[AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[TJ Trout]

First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the original version
which was a complete flop and waste of money. I didn't upgraded to the
cambium e400 but I've moved into a larger house now and the coverage is not
very good.

What is the best option currently for the longest range most reliable
ceiling mount AP available?

Thanks!!

TJ

[AFMUG] 3.5 /3.65ghz

[TJ Trout]

Hello all,

Could somebody in the loop game me up a little bit on where we are at with
365 and 355? If I purchase an existing 3.65 license is that good forever or
if they end up auctioning to Cellular I lose the ability to use that
license?

I have been following lightly but everyone was anticipating an expansion of
the three gigahertz band and now it's looking like it will be auction to
the cellular industry?

Or all of this is yet to be determined?

We have a very nice site we would like to color locate on but the tower
owner only allows licensed equipment. Bizarre I know but it is a railroad
owned Tower and I guess they want to protect the unlicensed bands for their
own use?


Thanks

TJ

[AFMUG] Colo on Verizon owned Tower

[TJ Trout]

I noticed one of my competitors service trucks inside of the fence of one
of Verizon's owned sites.

Does anyone have contact info on how you obtain a lease from them? Just to
clarify this is not a CCI or ATC Tower.

Thanks!!

[AFMUG] Lacp/lag Netonix to edgeswitch

[TJ Trout]

Hello ,

Anyone with a working configuration of lacp or lag between a matonix and
edgeswitch that could send over a screenshot of the configuration of each
device if you have it working?

Having a little bit of trouble and would like a starting point before I go
back to the lab.

Thanks

TJ

Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux SITEMONITOR 3 SHUNT 3 VOLTMETER INPUT Voltage and Amperage Range?

[TJ Trout]

yep we just use the second input on the base unit with an old router power
cord (12v 500ma) and when the 12v goes down my snmp server sends me an
alert... Only problem is if you loose one leg it doesn't work. Almost
better to install a 240v outlet and use a 12v500ma adapter on that so if
one leg dies it always goes down.

TJ

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:

> Dooh! I shoulda thunk of that...
>
>

[AFMUG] Sealed or flooded batteries for DC backup?

[TJ Trout]

I have been really liking flooded batteries over the last 10 years or so
because I am able to service the battery and extend the life but I am
finding that on sites that I forget to add distilled water at least twice a
year sometimes the batteries dry out due to the charge controller over
gassing the batteries.

Right now I'm trying to decide between Walmart deep Cycles, rack mount
telecom batteries or just sealed RV Marine deep cycle batteries.

What is the best bang-for-the-buck currently considering the life span and
capacity ?

Thanks

TJ

[AFMUG] FS: Easy pass thru RJ45s heavy gold plated

[TJ Trout]

Easy to install RJ45 connectors, plated in rare 50 micron GOLD, most
connectors are only plated with 3 micron of gold.

Rated for CAT5E but CAT6 seems to fit and work well. Thousands deployed in
the field over the last 12 months prior to offering these for sale. Fits
tough cable carrier.

Pics;

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxHZtFLNWX_OWU9QTzY5bkNSNzg

$40 / 100 sheilded
$350 / 1000 shielded (Free Shipping)

$30 / 100 unshielded
$250 / 1000 unshielded (Free Shipping)

contact offlist / paypal t...@pcguys.us

Re: [AFMUG] Conditional-use permit for tower

[TJ Trout]

So i inquired about installing a "ham" tower, which is limited to 60ft in
the county I reside, damn. They still want their use permit & fee's, it's a
several month process with a open hearing and approval from the board of
supervisors. Also an environmental study??!?

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Philip Rankin  wrote:

> Chuck, bureaucrats are not pricks  That's the best part of a
> man!!!  They are the excrement that secreats from bureaucrat's
> ASSHOLES!!!
>
> Phil
>
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 12:46 PM,  wrote:
>
>> One thing about bureaucrats, they love to have all the boxes checked and
>> all the pages filled out.  So rather than kick against the pricks, I have
>> learned to try to give them more than they ask for if there is no way
>> around it.
>>
>> *From:* TJ Trout
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:35 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Conditional-use permit for tower
>>
>> I just purchased a 7ac price of land for my primary residence and the
>> site is a great location for a tower site, but the local government is
>> asking for a 30 page conditional use permit app with an environmental study
>> and a public comment period plus approval by the board of supervisors...
>>
>> After that I have to obtain a building permit obviously.
>>
>> Any tips on filling out this application so I can receive an approval?
>>
>> Three of my competitors have a tower within 1 mile of this site and none
>> of them have gone through the planning or conditional use permit nor have
>> they received a building permit as far as I know. So I don't think they
>> will be asking me to co locate.
>>
>> Any advice or tips? I guess this process can take as long as a year to be
>> completed and I'm not sure what the cost will be but I'm sure an
>> environmental impact study isn't cheap.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> TJ
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Philip J. Rankin
> Wireless Telecommunications Services
> PO Box 24
> Pittsburg, KS  66762
>

[AFMUG] Conditional-use permit for tower

[TJ Trout]

I just purchased a 7ac price of land for my primary residence and the site
is a great location for a tower site, but the local government is asking
for a 30 page conditional use permit app with an environmental study and a
public comment period plus approval by the board of supervisors...

After that I have to obtain a building permit obviously.

Any tips on filling out this application so I can receive an approval?

Three of my competitors have a tower within 1 mile of this site and none of
them have gone through the planning or conditional use permit nor have they
received a building permit as far as I know. So I don't think they will be
asking me to co locate.

Any advice or tips? I guess this process can take as long as a year to be
completed and I'm not sure what the cost will be but I'm sure an
environmental impact study isn't cheap.

Thanks,

TJ

[AFMUG] FS: Easy pass thru RJ45s heavy gold plated

[TJ Trout]

Easy to install RJ45 connectors, plated in rare 50 micron GOLD, most
connectors are only plated with 3 micron of gold.

Rated for CAT5E but CAT6 seems to fit and work well. Thousands deployed in
the field over the last 12 months prior to offering these for sale. Fits
tough cable carrier.

Pics;

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxHZtFLNWX_OWU9QTzY5bkNSNzg

$40 / 100 sheilded
$350 / 1000 shielded (Free Shipping)

$30 / 100 unshielded
$250 / 1000 unshielded (Free Shipping)

contact offlist / paypal t...@pcguys.us

Re: [AFMUG] FS: Easy RJ45's with heavy gold plating

[TJ Trout]

Free samples to any established wisp that currently has a ez crimper! Email
me off list.

On Nov 6, 2017 10:37 AM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:

> Thank you everyone who ordered connectors I can't wait to hear your
> feedback!
>
> On Nov 3, 2017 12:39 PM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:
>
>> Friday Bump, sold 60,000 so far, any more takers? These are really nice
>> connectors.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> Every night and early morning if I could...oh wait ...what were we
>>> talking about?
>>>
>>> On Oct 30, 2017 7:20 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On my production line, the tester gets thousands of inserts each
>>>> month...
>>>> But yeah, most plugs and jacks probably get under 15 in a lifetime.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Cameron Crum
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 30, 2017 7:09 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FS: Easy RJ45's with heavy gold plating
>>>>
>>>> How often do you insert more than once on an RJ45?
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, all RJxx connectors (both plugs and jacks) I have ever heard of
>>>>> had some kind of gold coating.
>>>>> The thicker the gold, the more insertions they can take before being
>>>>> worn out.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* TJ Trout
>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2017 12:01 PM
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FS: Easy RJ45's with heavy gold plating
>>>>>
>>>>> Holy cow, thanks guys! 10,000 left of the shielded
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 12:37 AM, Jason McKemie <
>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Doesn't copper actually conduct a little better? I thought it was
>>>>>> just that gold doesn't tarnish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, October 28, 2017, Steve Jones 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whats the question/statement? if youre saying something gold plated
>>>>>>> performs as well as a copper stufss at the same gauge, thats to be
>>>>>>> expected, gold is softer than copper/tin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 11:25 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ooops
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxHZtFLNWX_OcGJHMFJ4eUpGdk0
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxHZtFLNWX_OMFRQQ2FDeE5ydVk
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 9:23 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Easy to install RJ45 connectors, plated in rare 50 micron GOLD,
>>>>>>>>> most connectors are only plated with 3 micron of gold.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rated for CAT5E but CAT6 seems to fit and work well. Thousands
>>>>>>>>> deployed in the field over the last 12 months prior to offering these 
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> sale. Fits tough cable carrier.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pics;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxHZtFLNWX_OWU9QTzY5bkNSNzg
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> $40 / 100 sheilded
>>>>>>>>> $350 / 1000 shielded (Free Shipping)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> $30 / 100 unshielded
>>>>>>>>> $250 / 1000 unshielded (Free Shipping)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> contact offlist / paypal t...@pcguys.us
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] FS: Easy RJ45's with heavy gold plating

[TJ Trout]

Thank you everyone who ordered connectors I can't wait to hear your
feedback!

On Nov 3, 2017 12:39 PM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:

> Friday Bump, sold 60,000 so far, any more takers? These are really nice
> connectors.
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Every night and early morning if I could...oh wait ...what were we
>> talking about?
>>
>> On Oct 30, 2017 7:20 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>>> On my production line, the tester gets thousands of inserts each month...
>>> But yeah, most plugs and jacks probably get under 15 in a lifetime.
>>>
>>> *From:* Cameron Crum
>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 30, 2017 7:09 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FS: Easy RJ45's with heavy gold plating
>>>
>>> How often do you insert more than once on an RJ45?
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, all RJxx connectors (both plugs and jacks) I have ever heard of
>>>> had some kind of gold coating.
>>>> The thicker the gold, the more insertions they can take before being
>>>> worn out.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* TJ Trout
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2017 12:01 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FS: Easy RJ45's with heavy gold plating
>>>>
>>>> Holy cow, thanks guys! 10,000 left of the shielded
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 12:37 AM, Jason McKemie <
>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Doesn't copper actually conduct a little better? I thought it was just
>>>>> that gold doesn't tarnish.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, October 28, 2017, Steve Jones 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Whats the question/statement? if youre saying something gold plated
>>>>>> performs as well as a copper stufss at the same gauge, thats to be
>>>>>> expected, gold is softer than copper/tin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 11:25 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ooops
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxHZtFLNWX_OcGJHMFJ4eUpGdk0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxHZtFLNWX_OMFRQQ2FDeE5ydVk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 9:23 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Easy to install RJ45 connectors, plated in rare 50 micron GOLD,
>>>>>>>> most connectors are only plated with 3 micron of gold.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rated for CAT5E but CAT6 seems to fit and work well. Thousands
>>>>>>>> deployed in the field over the last 12 months prior to offering these 
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> sale. Fits tough cable carrier.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pics;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxHZtFLNWX_OWU9QTzY5bkNSNzg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> $40 / 100 sheilded
>>>>>>>> $350 / 1000 shielded (Free Shipping)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> $30 / 100 unshielded
>>>>>>>> $250 / 1000 unshielded (Free Shipping)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> contact offlist / paypal t...@pcguys.us
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] FS: Easy RJ45's with heavy gold plating

[TJ Trout]

Friday Bump, sold 60,000 so far, any more takers? These are really nice
connectors.

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Every night and early morning if I could...oh wait ...what were we talking
> about?
>
> On Oct 30, 2017 7:20 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> On my production line, the tester gets thousands of inserts each month...
>> But yeah, most plugs and jacks probably get under 15 in a lifetime.
>>
>> *From:* Cameron Crum
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 30, 2017 7:09 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FS: Easy RJ45's with heavy gold plating
>>
>> How often do you insert more than once on an RJ45?
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, all RJxx connectors (both plugs and jacks) I have ever heard of
>>> had some kind of gold coating.
>>> The thicker the gold, the more insertions they can take before being
>>> worn out.
>>>
>>> *From:* TJ Trout
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2017 12:01 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FS: Easy RJ45's with heavy gold plating
>>>
>>> Holy cow, thanks guys! 10,000 left of the shielded
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 12:37 AM, Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Doesn't copper actually conduct a little better? I thought it was just
>>>> that gold doesn't tarnish.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, October 28, 2017, Steve Jones 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Whats the question/statement? if youre saying something gold plated
>>>>> performs as well as a copper stufss at the same gauge, thats to be
>>>>> expected, gold is softer than copper/tin
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 11:25 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ooops
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxHZtFLNWX_OcGJHMFJ4eUpGdk0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxHZtFLNWX_OMFRQQ2FDeE5ydVk
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 9:23 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Easy to install RJ45 connectors, plated in rare 50 micron GOLD, most
>>>>>>> connectors are only plated with 3 micron of gold.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rated for CAT5E but CAT6 seems to fit and work well. Thousands
>>>>>>> deployed in the field over the last 12 months prior to offering these 
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> sale. Fits tough cable carrier.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pics;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxHZtFLNWX_OWU9QTzY5bkNSNzg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $40 / 100 sheilded
>>>>>>> $350 / 1000 shielded (Free Shipping)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $30 / 100 unshielded
>>>>>>> $250 / 1000 unshielded (Free Shipping)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> contact offlist / paypal t...@pcguys.us
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] Boring under 20ft of concrete

[TJ Trout]

Getting a new well installed and the pump guy wants to cut 3ft x 20ft out
of my patio, surely this could be bored (only needs 1 1/4 to 1-1/2 line)
any ideas that aren't super difficult?

Re: [AFMUG] FS: Easy RJ45's with heavy gold plating

[TJ Trout]

Holy cow, thanks guys! 10,000 left of the shielded

On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 12:37 AM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Doesn't copper actually conduct a little better? I thought it was just
> that gold doesn't tarnish.
>
>
> On Saturday, October 28, 2017, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Whats the question/statement? if youre saying something gold plated
>> performs as well as a copper stufss at the same gauge, thats to be
>> expected, gold is softer than copper/tin
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 11:25 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>>
>>> Ooops
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxHZtFLNWX_OcGJHMFJ4eUpGdk0
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxHZtFLNWX_OMFRQQ2FDeE5ydVk
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 9:23 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Easy to install RJ45 connectors, plated in rare 50 micron GOLD, most
>>>> connectors are only plated with 3 micron of gold.
>>>>
>>>> Rated for CAT5E but CAT6 seems to fit and work well. Thousands deployed
>>>> in the field over the last 12 months prior to offering these for sale. Fits
>>>> tough cable carrier.
>>>>
>>>> Pics;
>>>>
>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxHZtFLNWX_OWU9QTzY5bkNSNzg
>>>>
>>>> $40 / 100 sheilded
>>>> $350 / 1000 shielded (Free Shipping)
>>>>
>>>> $30 / 100 unshielded
>>>> $250 / 1000 unshielded (Free Shipping)
>>>>
>>>> contact offlist / paypal t...@pcguys.us
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

[AFMUG] Sprint testing TELRAD?

[TJ Trout]

On one of my low level roof top sites I noticed sprint (old clearwire/clear
site) has a 4" round by 4ft tall round (omni?) connected to a telrad radio
only using 2 of the 4 ports...

What would they be using this for? 3.65ghz to the handset?

Re: [AFMUG] FS: Easy RJ45's with heavy gold plating

[TJ Trout]

Ooops

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxHZtFLNWX_OcGJHMFJ4eUpGdk0

and

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxHZtFLNWX_OMFRQQ2FDeE5ydVk

On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 9:23 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> Easy to install RJ45 connectors, plated in rare 50 micron GOLD, most
> connectors are only plated with 3 micron of gold.
>
> Rated for CAT5E but CAT6 seems to fit and work well. Thousands deployed in
> the field over the last 12 months prior to offering these for sale. Fits
> tough cable carrier.
>
> Pics;
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxHZtFLNWX_OWU9QTzY5bkNSNzg
>
> $40 / 100 sheilded
> $350 / 1000 shielded (Free Shipping)
>
> $30 / 100 unshielded
> $250 / 1000 unshielded (Free Shipping)
>
> contact offlist / paypal t...@pcguys.us
>

[AFMUG] FS: Easy RJ45's with heavy gold plating

[TJ Trout]

Easy to install RJ45 connectors, plated in rare 50 micron GOLD, most
connectors are only plated with 3 micron of gold.

Rated for CAT5E but CAT6 seems to fit and work well. Thousands deployed in
the field over the last 12 months prior to offering these for sale. Fits
tough cable carrier.

Pics;

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxHZtFLNWX_OWU9QTzY5bkNSNzg

$40 / 100 sheilded
$350 / 1000 shielded (Free Shipping)

$30 / 100 unshielded
$250 / 1000 unshielded (Free Shipping)

contact offlist / paypal t...@pcguys.us

[AFMUG] test 123

[TJ Trout]

[AFMUG] Link Techs Harvesting email addresses from AFMUG for unsolicited emails?

[TJ Trout]

Any thoughts?

Re: [AFMUG] ATT Reseller

[TJ Trout]

Usually same price as direct

On May 3, 2017 7:37 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> What kind of service?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Gino A. Villarini" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 3, 2017 9:31:59 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] ATT Reseller
>
> Any good ATT reseller with good pricing ?
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix WS-12-250-DC Fan up, or fan down?

[TJ Trout]

I don't think it really matters, it's forced air ... put it at any angle?

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

>
> Just put one of these switches on a DIN rail, and I noticed something
> curious. All the photos I've seen show the switch with the DC power
> terminals at the top. This makes some sense when you see that the vents in
> the side of the case are them at the top, which makes a natural path for
> hot air to escape.
>
> However, it does not make sense when you also notice that this puts the
> fan at the bottom. Well, not at first, until you also notice that the fan
> (at the  bottom) is an exhaust fan, and not an intake fan. So the vents at
> the top, let hot air out, but the fan at the bottom is pulling air in from
> the top? Huh?  Shouldn't I be putting the DC power terminals at the bottom,
> so that the exhaust fan can actually exhaust up?
>
> The other issue is that the DIN rail clips are spring loaded, and just the
> cable weight seems to pull on the sprung clips, and I would think that
> you'd want the fixed clips on top (the ones that don't retract), and that
> to dismount, you would lift the unit, and rotate downward.
>
> Am I miss reading this?
>
>
> --
>
> bp
> 
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik RB1000

[TJ Trout]

I have one what's your offer

On Feb 1, 2017 6:32 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> The one that's several years old at this point?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Rory Conaway" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 1, 2017 8:17:32 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Mikrotik RB1000
>
> Has anyone used one or even bought one?
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> “Baseball - we do not stop playing because we grow old, we grow old
> because we stop playing”
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] WiFi inside of a refrigerator

[TJ Trout]

Can somebody give me some ideas on how you would install an access point
inside of a refrigerator or freezer walk-in type and keep it from getting
moisture damage?

Re: [AFMUG] Reverse DNS entry

[TJ Trout]

I think I have it, sort of. I deligated my netblock to dns.he.net, then I
created an account and added my /24 under reverse, now I think I need to
make a PTR entry with the customers IP and the desired reverse name? Anyone
able to clue me in?

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 9:33 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Somebody on the list could probably toss this on theirs. Not me though,
> I'll rdns everything to pornub
>
> On Jan 13, 2017 9:23 AM, "Larry Smith"  wrote:
>
>> Hmmm, if this is under voltbb.com, then it appears that GoDaddy
>> is your nameserver (domaincontrol.com).  Appears pcguys.us
>> is also served from Godaddy.
>>
>> There should be a space in your control panel (at Godaddy)
>> to setup both forward and reverse DNS entries for any of your
>> IP space.  Under DNS for whatever domain you want this to
>> show up, select the PTR tab, check "include PTR" and
>> put in the IP address and "name" you want.
>>
>> --
>> Larry Smith
>> lesm...@ecsis.net
>>
>> On Fri January 13 2017 08:44, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> > Yes, that sounds right.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > It looks like ARIN has no nameservers listed for your block.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
>> > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 12:11 AM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reverse DNS entry
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > So I'm assuming I can make a free account with dns.he.net
>> > <http://dns.he.net>  and then login to arin and set the delegation for
>> the
>> > RDNS, then I need to login to the dns.he.net <http://dns.he.net>  and
>> make
>> > a rdns entry for the customers IP address with the desired domain name
>> they
>> > want to resolve? Is that somewhat correct?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 10:00 PM, TJ Trout > > <mailto:t...@voltbb.com> > wrote:
>> >
>> > 162.222.29.0/24 <http://162.222.29.0/24>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The goal of my post was to see if anyone knew of any way to resolve this
>> > without spinning up a dns server, i.e. hosted solution for rdns that's
>> > free/cheap, etc.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I realize arin doesn't host DNS but I thought maybe there was so method
>> to
>> > do something like SWIP that would resolve this, again I'm a noob.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Ken Hohhof > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Give us an example of one of your /24 blocks.  Or look it up at ARIN to
>> see
>> > what they think the authoritative nameservers are.  Here is an example
>> of
>> > one of mine:
>> >
>> > https://whois.arin.net/rest/rdns/192.49.69.in-addr.arpa.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > (this is for 69.49.192.0/24 <http://69.49.192.0/24> )
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ]
>> On
>> > Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 11:41 PM
>> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reverse DNS entry
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm the owner of the IP space, how exactly can I get this rdns entry
>> made?
>> > Does this involve hosting a DNS server or can I just make an entry into
>> one
>> > of ARIN's databases?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Ken Hohhof > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Whose IP space are they on?  Yours?  Surely you control reverse DNS for
>> > your own IP blocks, right?  Part of ARIN allocating a block to you is
>> > authoritative namesevers for the in-addr.arpa zone.  You could host rDNS
>> > anywhere you want, as long as ARIN points to those nameservers as
>> > authoritative for your block.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Are you saying this customer is using IP space from another provider, or
>> > has their own?  You would need to get the owner of that block to
>> delegate
>> > DNS to you for that IP address or subnet.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I remember once I was doing hosting for a customer who had a T1 from
>> AT&T,
>> > and AT&T policy was not to provide rDNS for AT&T blocks assigned to a
>> > customer if that customer’s domain was hosted elsewhere.  Actually, what
>> > AT&T did was to delegate rDNS to my nameservers without telling me
>> first,
>> > which resulted in constant lame delegation log entries.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ]
>> On
>> > Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 11:17 PM
>> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> > Subject: [AFMUG] Reverse DNS entry
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Is it possibe to make a reverse DNS entry for a customer doing hosting
>> on
>> > their service if I'm not hosting my DNS in house ? ( Ducks)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm assuming not? Anyway to resolve their request with hosted DNS or
>> > through Arin's website ?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Reverse DNS entry

[TJ Trout]

So I'm assuming I can make a free account with dns.he.net and then login to
arin and set the delegation for the RDNS, then I need to login to the
dns.he.net and make a rdns entry for the customers IP address with the
desired domain name they want to resolve? Is that somewhat correct?

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 10:00 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> 162.222.29.0/24
>
> The goal of my post was to see if anyone knew of any way to resolve this
> without spinning up a dns server, i.e. hosted solution for rdns that's
> free/cheap, etc.
>
> I realize arin doesn't host DNS but I thought maybe there was so method to
> do something like SWIP that would resolve this, again I'm a noob.
>
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Give us an example of one of your /24 blocks.  Or look it up at ARIN to
>> see what they think the authoritative nameservers are.  Here is an example
>> of one of mine:
>>
>> https://whois.arin.net/rest/rdns/192.49.69.in-addr.arpa.
>>
>>
>>
>> (this is for 69.49.192.0/24)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 12, 2017 11:41 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Reverse DNS entry
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm the owner of the IP space, how exactly can I get this rdns entry
>> made? Does this involve hosting a DNS server or can I just make an entry
>> into one of ARIN's databases?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Whose IP space are they on?  Yours?  Surely you control reverse DNS for
>> your own IP blocks, right?  Part of ARIN allocating a block to you is
>> authoritative namesevers for the in-addr.arpa zone.  You could host rDNS
>> anywhere you want, as long as ARIN points to those nameservers as
>> authoritative for your block.
>>
>>
>>
>> Are you saying this customer is using IP space from another provider, or
>> has their own?  You would need to get the owner of that block to delegate
>> DNS to you for that IP address or subnet.
>>
>>
>>
>> I remember once I was doing hosting for a customer who had a T1 from
>> AT&T, and AT&T policy was not to provide rDNS for AT&T blocks assigned to a
>> customer if that customer’s domain was hosted elsewhere.  Actually, what
>> AT&T did was to delegate rDNS to my nameservers without telling me first,
>> which resulted in constant lame delegation log entries.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 12, 2017 11:17 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Reverse DNS entry
>>
>>
>>
>> Is it possibe to make a reverse DNS entry for a customer doing hosting on
>> their service if I'm not hosting my DNS in house ? ( Ducks)
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm assuming not? Anyway to resolve their request with hosted DNS or
>> through Arin's website ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Reverse DNS entry

[TJ Trout]

162.222.29.0/24

The goal of my post was to see if anyone knew of any way to resolve this
without spinning up a dns server, i.e. hosted solution for rdns that's
free/cheap, etc.

I realize arin doesn't host DNS but I thought maybe there was so method to
do something like SWIP that would resolve this, again I'm a noob.

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Give us an example of one of your /24 blocks.  Or look it up at ARIN to
> see what they think the authoritative nameservers are.  Here is an example
> of one of mine:
>
> https://whois.arin.net/rest/rdns/192.49.69.in-addr.arpa.
>
>
>
> (this is for 69.49.192.0/24)
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 12, 2017 11:41 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Reverse DNS entry
>
>
>
> I'm the owner of the IP space, how exactly can I get this rdns entry made?
> Does this involve hosting a DNS server or can I just make an entry into one
> of ARIN's databases?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Whose IP space are they on?  Yours?  Surely you control reverse DNS for
> your own IP blocks, right?  Part of ARIN allocating a block to you is
> authoritative namesevers for the in-addr.arpa zone.  You could host rDNS
> anywhere you want, as long as ARIN points to those nameservers as
> authoritative for your block.
>
>
>
> Are you saying this customer is using IP space from another provider, or
> has their own?  You would need to get the owner of that block to delegate
> DNS to you for that IP address or subnet.
>
>
>
> I remember once I was doing hosting for a customer who had a T1 from AT&T,
> and AT&T policy was not to provide rDNS for AT&T blocks assigned to a
> customer if that customer’s domain was hosted elsewhere.  Actually, what
> AT&T did was to delegate rDNS to my nameservers without telling me first,
> which resulted in constant lame delegation log entries.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 12, 2017 11:17 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Reverse DNS entry
>
>
>
> Is it possibe to make a reverse DNS entry for a customer doing hosting on
> their service if I'm not hosting my DNS in house ? ( Ducks)
>
>
>
> I'm assuming not? Anyway to resolve their request with hosted DNS or
> through Arin's website ?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Reverse DNS entry

[TJ Trout]

I'm the owner of the IP space, how exactly can I get this rdns entry made?
Does this involve hosting a DNS server or can I just make an entry into one
of ARIN's databases?

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Whose IP space are they on?  Yours?  Surely you control reverse DNS for
> your own IP blocks, right?  Part of ARIN allocating a block to you is
> authoritative namesevers for the in-addr.arpa zone.  You could host rDNS
> anywhere you want, as long as ARIN points to those nameservers as
> authoritative for your block.
>
>
>
> Are you saying this customer is using IP space from another provider, or
> has their own?  You would need to get the owner of that block to delegate
> DNS to you for that IP address or subnet.
>
>
>
> I remember once I was doing hosting for a customer who had a T1 from AT&T,
> and AT&T policy was not to provide rDNS for AT&T blocks assigned to a
> customer if that customer’s domain was hosted elsewhere.  Actually, what
> AT&T did was to delegate rDNS to my nameservers without telling me first,
> which resulted in constant lame delegation log entries.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 12, 2017 11:17 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Reverse DNS entry
>
>
>
> Is it possibe to make a reverse DNS entry for a customer doing hosting on
> their service if I'm not hosting my DNS in house ? ( Ducks)
>
>
>
> I'm assuming not? Anyway to resolve their request with hosted DNS or
> through Arin's website ?
>
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Reverse DNS entry

[TJ Trout]

Is it possibe to make a reverse DNS entry for a customer doing hosting on
their service if I'm not hosting my DNS in house ? ( Ducks)

I'm assuming not? Anyway to resolve their request with hosted DNS or
through Arin's website ?

[AFMUG] site monitor autocycle

[TJ Trout]

I know the site monitor can autocycle devices connected via POE, can you
make the onboard relay on the base1/2 cycle by using ind 0, slot 0, pos 0?

I need to cycle a external poe switch

[AFMUG] Mounting sectors to 80ft self supporter

[TJ Trout]

I need to install many sectors to a ~3 inch leg on a self supporter , I
think the leg is too large for the sectors and I also need more sectors
than I have leg , Chuck's 3 x mtow thing looks nice but I need all of the
sectors to face the same direction.

Any ideas on a way to make or buy some type of stand off that can
accommodate many sectors ? I see the ones that have 4 vertical pipes but
they are very expensive.

Could you upload a pic if you have done this before ?

Re: [AFMUG] Mounting a Mikrotik CRS in Box

[TJ Trout]

How about din rail and a clip that's what we use. If not scotch extreme
mounting tape won't disappoint

On Dec 6, 2016 2:23 PM, "Matt"  wrote:

> I am looking for a neat space saving way to mount a Mikrotik CRS
> switch in a Hoffman box on the back panel.  Very tight on space.  Was
> thinking of using four 7 inch ready rods to reach from the back plane
> too the rack mount tabs on front.
>
> Anyone know where I could fine ready rod or long bolts about the right
> size?
>
> Or any better ideas with pictures?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Relocating a tower site without realigning customers?

[TJ Trout]

Can someone tell me the width of a 5ghz signal at 30 miles coming from a 3*
or 5* antenna?

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:48 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> radiomobile or link planner (just get systems in play with "close enough"
> characteristics on the links) and move the sites then recalculate til you
> hit your unacceptable margins
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 11:17 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> I have a tower site which customers are connected from a distance of
>> 18-45 miles away ( remote mountain) I'm using 5ghz with 120* sectors.
>> Customers are using rcl-2 and 2ft parabolic antennas.
>>
>> Any ideas how to calculate how far I can relocate the sectors without
>> having to realign the customers antennas ?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

[AFMUG] Relocating a tower site without realigning customers?

[TJ Trout]

I have a tower site which customers are connected from a distance of 18-45
miles away ( remote mountain) I'm using 5ghz with 120* sectors. Customers
are using rcl-2 and 2ft parabolic antennas.

Any ideas how to calculate how far I can relocate the sectors without
having to realign the customers antennas ?

Thanks

[AFMUG] Ptp 820s second cable for mgmt?

[TJ Trout]

I know I asked this question previously but I'm still not getting a good
answer out of cambium they are telling me that I need to purchase an extra
license if I want in band management otherwise I have to run two cables in
order to have access to the management interface does anyone know if this
is actually true?

Re: [AFMUG] Pre terminated fiber assemblies

[TJ Trout]

terminating fiber today is easier than terminating a RJ45 and you don't
need any special tools besides a cleve. AFL fast connectors, watch a video.

FS.com has pre-term cables at really cheap prices. Check the Singlemode
armored it's really nice.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Steve Utick  wrote:

> I've got a project that I need a Pre terminated fiber assembly to pull
> through a conduit.   What vendors are people using for this these days?
> Want pulling eyes and stuff on it.
>
> Thanks
>

Re: [AFMUG] CCR 1036 downgrade

[TJ Trout]

Did you ever get any resolution to this? I've having a weird problem with
traffic dropping and someone on the forum sugguested downgrading to 6.35
but my router is giving me a "minimum version 6.35.4 " error

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 5:13 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> *NEVER* downgrade past what the device came with.
>
> If that's not the issue...  *shrugs* I saw a few other posts in this
> thread.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"SmarterBroadband" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, November 10, 2016 5:22:30 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] CCR 1036 downgrade
>
> I need to downgrade the firmware on a 1036 from 6.35.4 to 6.32.4
>
>
>
> I have tried the download button and I have tried the command line system
> package downgrade
>
>
>
> Any idea how I can make this happen?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic dropping to zero for a fraction of a second

[TJ Trout]

Att MIS not Ase, involves also another carriers "ase" product (not at&t)
but since all traffic through both peers goes to zero I'm assuming it's
elsewhere?

On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 2:48 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> Stupid question. Does this involve AT&T ASE at all?
>
>
> On 11/20/2016 12:47 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
>
>> I have 2 peers, one CCR and 2 backhauls connected to a 10G switch that
>> I've recently installed, prior to installing the 10G switch everything
>> functioned normally (had a CCR1009, now CCR1036), currently during peak
>> periods of traffic my traffic will go from 1500mbps to 0mbps for just a
>> instant then back to 1500mbps, other times it goes from 1500mbps to 750mbps
>> and back to 1500. Sometimes it happens 30 times a minute sometimes 2 times
>> per hour.
>>
>> I've swapped the switch, sfp's...
>>
>> Anyone with any remotely plausible idea would be greatly appreciated
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] Traffic dropping to zero for a fraction of a second

[TJ Trout]

I have 2 peers, one CCR and 2 backhauls connected to a 10G switch that I've
recently installed, prior to installing the 10G switch everything
functioned normally (had a CCR1009, now CCR1036), currently during peak
periods of traffic my traffic will go from 1500mbps to 0mbps for just a
instant then back to 1500mbps, other times it goes from 1500mbps to 750mbps
and back to 1500. Sometimes it happens 30 times a minute sometimes 2 times
per hour.

I've swapped the switch, sfp's...

Anyone with any remotely plausible idea would be greatly appreciated

Re: [AFMUG] Routerboard CCR1036

[TJ Trout]

I can't remember the plug type, but I got 10 of them so if u want one or
two send me your address. Depending on the age of your CCR1036 it's either
: 1. two connectors, ready for redundant second psu, 2. one connector,
needs second connector installed. 3. One connector, second connector is not
connected to board/missing voltage regulator.

I think they are 14-30v, you can just wire a pigtail from the board
connector to a 2.1x5.5mm jack that you panel mount in the back of the
router, then use a male 2.1x5.5 to go to your DC plant. If you want
redundant with the onboard AC use two  10a rectifier diodes in series with
the positive side of the two power sources.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. <
mailing-li...@phxinternet.com> wrote:

> Has anyone powered one of these routers via DC (not PoE)? It looks like
> the board supports 2 power ports on the board (setup for dual power) and I
> want to make sure I have redundant power which I can do via DC. I need to
> determine the plug and the voltage.
>
> Gilbert
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ubnt devices intermittantly stop responding to pings

[TJ Trout]

Yes, Yes.

Sometimes the radios reboot from watchdog when the host they are testing
against has not been down :(

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 12:21 AM, Timothy Steele 
wrote:

> Are you can the latest firmware? Do you have ping watchdog running inside
> the radios firmware ?
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016, 2:21 AM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> I did a little searching on the forum and I can't see to find anyone who
>> has ran into this issue, I'm noticing that many of my ubnt devices will
>> randomly stop responding to pings but the web ui and radio keep passing
>> traffic normally? within an hour the radio will start responding to pings
>> again like it never even happened... No power cycling or any intervention
>> required.
>>
>>
>>