[AFMUG] Cisco/Linksys DHCP questions

[That One Guy via Af]

I like clean logs, I dont like wasted traffic, even if it is small.

We consistently see Cisco/Linksys routers requesting their DHCP IP over and
over and over

The customers have service, but its just constantly requesting

So I threw a sniffer on todat and see this in the packet:

Parameter Request List Item: (1) Subnet Mask
Parameter Request List Item: (3) Router
Parameter Request List Item: (15) Domain Name
Parameter Request List Item: (6) Domain Name Server
Parameter Request List Item: (212) 6RD

Option 212 we dont respond with. So if a DHCP client requests a set of
options, and one is not delivered, will it just keep asking, as is what we
see?

Without telling a customer to turn off IP6 or moving to IP6 on our network,
is there any way to clean up these logs?

Or is that even the root cause of this issue?


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[That One Guy via Af]

theaters are going to have to step up their game after sonys adventure

On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 12:26 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:

>
> Looks like it's good here we might have to take this one under
> consideration!
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Ken Hohhof via Af" 
> To: 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
> Date: Thu, Jan 1, 2015 11:56 AM
>
>
>  But you get popcorn.
>
>  *From:* Chuck McCown via Af 
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 01, 2015 11:24 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
>
>   That’s an even better deal!
>
>  *From:* Ken Hohhof via Af 
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 01, 2015 9:42 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
>
>   https://www.moviepass.com/
>
> I saw an article that AMC was taking it.
>
>  *From:* Chuck McCown via Af 
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 01, 2015 10:39 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
>
>   Check around where you live.  The Salt Lake Film Society screens stuff
> you don’t get from the major distribution companies.  Many very popular
> movies start in these independent venues.  And the best movies I have seen
> over the past year were screened only there.
>
>  *From:* Tushar Patel via Af 
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 01, 2015 9:19 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
>
>  How do we get such pass ?
>
> Tushar
>
>
> On Dec 31, 2014, at 11:03 PM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:
>
>   $300/year for one or $500 for two.
> If I use the tickets once a week it saves plenty of money.  Sometimes I
> see two a week.
> Free popcorn is included.
>
>  *From:* Tushar Patel via Af 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:55 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
>
>  I had always wondered about you going to movie almost every week. Now it
> make more sense.
>
>
> Tushar
>
>
> On Dec 31, 2014, at 8:35 PM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:
>
>   Wild
>
> Meh ++
> OK, but I  have a season pass at the theater.  I would not recommend
> paying full fare.
>
>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers and Air Gateways.

[That One Guy via Af]

UBNT amazes me with this, Im pretty sure the multi ESSID thread is the
longest running active thread on their forum, yet they cant do it.
Users have found ways to somewhat get it to happen, but not cleanly, but
they dont have programmatic access to the device

I know this is not a complicated thing, almost every single wireless
product on the market these days supports it in some form or another.

I could see hiding behind the "well, it wont work with our proprietary
wireless algorithm" I can see that on the commercial side, but the home
devices? I doubt anyone on this list is turning that on on airrouters or
gateways for customers since most customers end devices arent ubiquiti
products.

I think they dont do it strictly out of spite now

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

> They'll say, "We weren't aware anyone wanted that." That's what the
> vendors say when they don't want to actually tell us why they haven't done
> something.
>
> I haven't been too excited about multi-SSID in the macro network, but
> auto-associated and provisioned CPE would be nice.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Mark Radabaugh via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 31, 2014 7:53:17 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers and
> AirGateways.
>
>
> Make that on all of the products.   Two SSID’s on the AP - a ‘install’
> SSID that the CPE can associate to by default, and a ‘sector’ SSID that we
> use to lock the CPE to the sector once it’s installed.
>
> What is so hard about this?   Cisco Aironet AP's could do this 15 years
> ago.
>
> Mark
>
> On Dec 31, 2014, at 8:48 AM, joseph marsh via Af  wrote:
>
> +1
> On Dec 30, 2014 11:29 PM, "Rory Conaway via Af"  wrote:
>
>> As much as I’d like to stay with those devices, lack of a second SSID for
>> guests for example, is becoming a problem.  I had 3 people in the last 2
>> weeks ask for this feature and I don’t disagree with them.  Come on guys,
>> we’ve been asking for this for 5 years.  It’s time.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory Conaway
>> Triad Wireless
>> 4226 S. 37th Street
>> Phoenix, Az.  85040
>> 602-426-0542
>> r...@triadwireless.net
>> www.triadwireless.net
>>
>>
>>
>> “Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane”
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?

[That One Guy via Af]

Im so happy Im not even going to beat my kids tonite

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:

>   Well then obviously GMail is broken.
>
>  *From:* Josh Luthman via Af 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
>
>  Gmail is labeling it as spam - ouch!
>
> Mine came at 1:24 PM
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Jason McKemie via Af 
> wrote:
>
>> Read Paul's email.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, Dennis Burgess via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  I registered and/or clicked that link and its still coming from
>>> af@afmug.com ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
>>>
>>> den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>>> via Af
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:05 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The "From" was definitely broken.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>  --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Josh Luthman via Af" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:56:25 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
>>>
>>> Trick question, wasn't broken.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Paul McCall via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Maybe J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
>>> via Af
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:13 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> a yes or a no
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
>>> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
>>> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
>>> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>



-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon

[That One Guy via Af]

Im going to get some water

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Bill Prince via Af  wrote:

>  maybe for you.  I am too much a pagan.
>
> --
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 12/30/2014 11:15 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
>
> Did this make us like Jesus?
>
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Bill Prince via Af  wrote:
>
>>  it was simon westl*A*ke before josh l*U*thman.
>>
>> Amazon does it their way.
>>
>>
>> --
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>>   On 12/30/2014 10:53 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
>>
>> W comes before L?  Blasphemy.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Dec 30, 2014 1:49 PM, "Simon Westlake via Af"  wrote:
>>
>>>  I got mine literally 30 seconds ago, I think they are going out slowly.
>>>
>>> On 12/30/2014 12:40 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
>>>
>>> Haven't seen mine as of 10 minutes ago
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Dec 30, 2014 1:28 PM, "Seth Mattinen via Af"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Can you let us know when they're finished sending out so we know if
>>>> ours is "lost"?
>>>>
>>>> ~Seth
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Simon Westlake
>>> Powercode - The smart choice in ISP billing and OSS
>>> powercode.com
>>> P: 920-351-1010
>>> E: si...@powercode.com
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>  --
>  All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>
>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon

[That One Guy via Af]

Did this make us like Jesus?

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Bill Prince via Af  wrote:

>  it was simon westl*A*ke before josh l*U*thman.
>
> Amazon does it their way.
>
>
> --
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 12/30/2014 10:53 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
>
> W comes before L?  Blasphemy.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Dec 30, 2014 1:49 PM, "Simon Westlake via Af"  wrote:
>
>>  I got mine literally 30 seconds ago, I think they are going out slowly.
>>
>> On 12/30/2014 12:40 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
>>
>> Haven't seen mine as of 10 minutes ago
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Dec 30, 2014 1:28 PM, "Seth Mattinen via Af"  wrote:
>>
>>> Can you let us know when they're finished sending out so we know if ours
>>> is "lost"?
>>>
>>> ~Seth
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Simon Westlake
>> Powercode - The smart choice in ISP billing and OSS
>> powercode.com
>> P: 920-351-1010
>> E: si...@powercode.com
>>
>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon

[That One Guy via Af]

  ..
  ..
  ..
..
..
  yes

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Paul McCall via Af  wrote:

>  Josh,
>
>
>
> The two issues were that because of the “munged” headers to be Amazon
> compliant, some programs couldn’t “rebuild” the proper order of threads,
> resulting in multiple threads or things out of order.  There were only a
> few people that were complaining (which I fully understand, BTW) but it was
> different than most normal threads.
>
>
>
> The 2nd issue was related to the sender email address having to be not
> used/exposed for people to be able to see the direct email address to send
> PM, etc.
>
>
>
> Since most people were OK with it, we had to push it down the stack of
> work to properly test the other options, which were NOT easy to pull off.
> Amazon is great, very reliability and we don’t have server bounces (like
> none) but they have a LOT of specific things to do to make it happen.  This
> seemingly made a simple process much more complicated but there are
> trade-offs in life.  Long term, we will all be happy with the consistency,
> which was both Chuck and my goal.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman via
> Af
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 12:44 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon
>
>
>
> Didn't know it was broken.  Gmail works just fine.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 12:42 PM, David via Af  wrote:
>
> YEAAA a threading FIX
>
> On 12/30/2014 11:18 AM, Curtis Brotherton via Af wrote:
>
>  Here comes the Amazon Verification Email � Click the link in the
> email, and that will verify your email address as valid with Amazon.�
>
> �
>
> I will be flipping the switch tomorrow that restores the headers to
> display the actual person and email address of the sender (which also fixes
> the threading)��� J
>
> �
>
> ===
>
> Curtis Brotherton
>
> PDMNet
>
> (772) 564-6800
>
> �
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Paul McCall via Af
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:55 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon
>
> �
>
> Well��
>
> �
>
> As you all probably are aware, PDMNet has been managing the AFMUG list for
> Chuck and we have been using Amazon to do it.� There were some bumps to
> get it off the ground as Amazon has VERY specific/strict methods that have
> to be adhered to in order to send email through their servers.� That has
> resulted in a few differences in the way the list emails look/act with
> certain clients, and MUCH debate has gone on about it on the list J��
>
> �
>
> In early November, we used our test environment with Amazon to test how
> things would work if we went the �Amazon verified email� method,
> whereby each new subscriber to the list would first get prompted with an
> Amazon email verification request, and then the AFMUG verification
> email.� This method seems to work just fine (we actively used it like
> that internally for a week or so) and it handles all the backend
> �stuff� just like we want it to.)�� The email headers then work
> like they would in any other mail server.
>
> �
>
> We queried the AFMUG list and there was no resistance to us making the
> changes and adding Amazon verification, but we just got slammed with other
> projects and didn�t pull the trigger on the switchover.� Since
> November, all new subscribers to the list HAVE BEEN required to do the
> Amazon verification as part of the AFMUG signup.
>
> �
>
> We are now ready to pull the trigger on the changes to get everyone else
> Amazon verified so we can make the changes to the email headers, etc.
>
> �
>
> Here�s what will happen�.
>
> �
>
> All existing AFMUG subscribers that have not been Amazon verified (most of
> you) will get an email by the end of today from Amazon to verify your email
> address.� The verification emails are good for 24 hours only.� The
> email does NOT say anything about AFMUG unfortunately, and we can�t
> change it so just be looking for it, check SPAM folders, etc.�
> �Probably on Friday, we will turn on �normal headers�.�� If you
> have not been Amazon verified at that point, you will still get emails but
> if you send any emails to the list they will NOT go through. �We will
> monitor the changes closely� and make any adjustments that are needed
> along the way.
>
> �
>
> *To recap, you will get an Amazon verification email shortly.� It�s
> important.� Follow the instructions please.*
>
> �
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
>
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 office
>
> 772-473-0352 cell
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> �
>
>
>
>
>



-- 
All parts shoul

Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer

[That One Guy via Af]

inssider might have an app, but its dependent on the radio in the phone

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af  wrote:

> On 12/30/14 9:45, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
>
>> Looking more for a handheld device that has a nice screen, dual band.
>>
>
> SAF Spectrum Compact has a model for 2.000 - 8.000 GHz.
>
> ~Seth
>



-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] West Africa Ebola response mission

[That One Guy via Af]

if you havent filled the slot, I have a guy very interested in this ,
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com since this list is broken

On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:18 AM, That One Guy 
wrote:

> Whats your contact info? I also have a brother in law who was combat medic
> in the army, County cop in real world, now Paramedic/ Tactical Medic
> instructor.
>
> On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:16 AM, That One Guy 
> wrote:
>
>> I happen to be an inactive EMT - I
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Chuck McCown via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>   OK for the knowledge and being able to help.
>>> I have been able to help multiple people multiple times.
>>>
>>> Just not OK as a job... for me.  Not OK as a steady diet.
>>> Glad others are OK with it but it was very depressing for me.
>>> It hit me very early on that every time I was actually doing my job, it
>>> was because something bad has happened.
>>>
>>>  *From:* Josh Reynolds via Af 
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 25, 2014 8:43 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] West Africa Ebola response mission
>>>
>>> I went through the Army Combat Lifesaver course in a former life, then
>>> went through some impromptu combat medical training with 3rd BN 75th Ranger
>>> Regiment for a few weeks during deployment - nothing official, but
>>> incredibly valuable. I still keep a red medical bag in my jeep just for
>>> emergencies.
>>>
>>> I've always wanted to go through official EMT training, just don't want
>>> the response burden that goes along with it. I enjoy being able to help in
>>> an emergency under good samaritan laws.
>>>
>>> On December 25, 2014 6:29:23 PM AKST, Chuck McCown via Af 
>>> wrote:

  I was an EMT in a former life.  Hated it.  Not my cup of postum.

  *From:* Eric Kuhnke via Af 
 *Sent:* Thursday, December 25, 2014 4:33 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] West Africa Ebola response mission


 Hello guys,

 Merry Christmas!  I'm currently in Accra, Ghana working on getting a
 new visa for Sierra Leone. For the first quarter of this year I'm
 contracting with an international NGO which is providing WAN connectivity
 to other agencies responding to the Ebola crisis.

 We are using a mixture of satellite based and terrestrial PTP/PtMP
 technologies to accomplish the last mile access.

 Over the next few weeks you may see me posting photos from Freetown,
 Sierra Leone to the afmug list. If it becomes excessive please let me know.
 Communicating with you guys back in the US is a big stress relief for me.

 If anyone wants my direct contact info, please email and I will send
 back my iridium number and local SIM cards' numbers.

 REQUEST: If anyone knows a fearless EMT/Paramedic who wants to
 accompany a tower climbing team for multi month periods of time, in
 exchange for good financial compensation, please get in touch. No Ebola
 treatment unit entry required. To date, zero aid agency workers who do not
 have direct personal contact with Ebola patients have contracted the
 disease. Adventure and relatively low risk.


>>> --
>>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
>> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
>> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
>> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>>
>
>
>
> --
> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>



-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

[AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?

[That One Guy via Af]

a yes or a no


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity!

[That One Guy via Af]

a clear answer from "the man" never hurts, but cambium is motorola, neither
of which are known for their forthrightness look at the 320 lie their
salesmen pushed right up til the dying breath. we are big boys round here,
we can handle the truth, no matter what you think colonial nathan R jessup
suggests
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMqDXxkGNKg

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 8:53 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af <
af@afmug.com> wrote:

>  I don't think we'll see anything new for FSK for a while. Hopefully that
> changes. But I keep bugging them about that whole "no radio left behind"
> thing. Or in this case, no platform left behind. FSK won't die.
>
> On 12/29/2014 5:38 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
>
> so far no
>
> :-(
>
> --
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 12/29/2014 2:20 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
>
> :-( but no fsk?
>
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Bill Prince via Af  wrote:
>
>>  13.2.1 on PMP450/430.
>>
>> --
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>>  On 12/29/2014 2:09 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
>>
>> they have a downloadable config file?
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It took 10+ years to get downloadable configuration file.  Everything
>>> they do (or dont do) is believable to me at this point.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I really want to know how you can possibly screw up the http/https
>>>> interface on a radio, to set basic parameters, in such a way that it
>>>> consumes massive amounts of CPU on the client-side browser and only works
>>>> with one browser...
>>>>
>>>> If even a super low budget company like TP-Link can make $22 802.11n
>>>> SOHO routers that have acceptably usable http GUIs, why not Cambium?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Jay Weekley via Af 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I thought I was the only one. My field unit is old but I would assume
>>>>> it would work with an updated browser since every other radio does but 
>>>>> ePMP
>>>>> was pretty much unusable. I finally reloaded my laptops OS and updates.
>>>>> Only Chrome will work with the ePMP interface. IE won't work at all and
>>>>> Mozilla give constant script errors. We have another tech that has the 
>>>>> same
>>>>> issue with a newer laptop.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kurt Fankhauser via Af wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't take it anymore, I'm going back to UBNT for non-FSK/450
>>>>>> stuff. I can no longer deal with the slow and horrible EPMP interface. I
>>>>>> thought it would get better as the firmware matured but its not getting 
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> better, Just loaded the latest firmware 2.3.3 and its still slower than a
>>>>>> turtle going in the wrong direction. For crying out loud the old Tranzeo
>>>>>> interface is faster than this! Chrome, and IE 11 it doesn't matter it
>>>>>> literally takes me 30 minutes to config one of these radios. By the time
>>>>>> you upgrade the firmware and "try" to upload a template to one. (never 
>>>>>> does
>>>>>> want to take a backup config is always erroring out) I can't afford to be
>>>>>> sitting at the bench all day fiddling with these radios. You can't even
>>>>>> type text in the fields that already have characters in them without
>>>>>> getting some weird outcome. Everytime i go to deal with one of these 
>>>>>> radios
>>>>>> i always end up with obscenities coming out of my mouth and I even have a
>>>>>> hole punched in a wall in the shop cause i got so frustrated with one a 
>>>>>> few
>>>>>> weeks back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe Bitlomat will come out with third party firmware for these and
>>>>>> save us all
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wavelinc Communications
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P.O. Box 126
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.wavelinc.com <http://www.wavelinc.com/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>>>>>
>>>>>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>  --
>>  All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
>> the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
>> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
>> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>  --
>  All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>
>
>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] WD Auction

[That One Guy via Af]

hater :-)

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Daniel White via Af  wrote:

> Just spoke to my father, who worked at Western Digital from 2008 thru 2013
> (hard drive firmware engineer) and he said he wasn’t aware there was any
> hard drive manufacturers in Phoenix – and especially was not aware of any
> Western Digital facility.
>
>
>
> My guess since assets like generators and chillers are in the auction, it
> was a facility long abandoned.  And if you look at the age, they have been
> there a LONG time.  That golf cart screams 1970’s to me.
>
>
>
> This news article would back that up:
>
>
>
> http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2010/05/31/daily17.html
>
>
>
> and this article from the same date talks about shutting down the same
> facility:
>
>
>
>
> http://archive.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/business/articles/20100602microchip-plant-purchased.html
>
>
>
> Also would explain why my Dad didn’t know about it… it probably never
> became a “Western Digital” facility.
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> (303) 746-3590
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account) via Af
> *Sent:* Monday, December 29, 2014 6:34 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WD Auction
>
>
>
> More likely in my mind is that these are leftovers from a no longer used
> plant for spinning rust drives.
>
> The former assets of wd is what makes me curious. Makes it sounds like
> these were acquired from or abandoned by wd.
>
> On Dec 29, 2014 2:30 PM, "Craig Baird via Af"  wrote:
>
> I remember seeing pictures of a WD factory or warehouse or something in
> Thailand, I think, that was flooded by a Tsunami a few years ago.  Any
> chance they're trying to sell off stuff involved in that event?
>
> Craig
>
>
> Quoting "Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af" :
>
> Western digital is still going strong.  They even bought Hitachi a while
> back.
>
> Makes me wonder what the deal is with this auction.
> On Dec 29, 2014 2:09 PM, "Jason McKemie via Af"  wrote:
>
> Where did you see that?  I can't find anything on it, other than some
> April Fool's joke.
>
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:
>
> Seagate, years ago
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Dec 29, 2014 3:34 PM, "Mike Hammett via Af"  wrote:
>
> They were bought out a while back.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Jason McKemie via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, December 29, 2014 2:33:54 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WD Auction
>
> Maybe they just relocated a manufacturing facility?
>
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:31 PM, That One Guy via Af 
> wrote:
>
> WD went under?
>
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Jason McKemie via Af 
> wrote:
>
> There is probably a bunch of good stuff here:
>
>
>
> http://www.hgpauction.com/auctions/71349/former-assets-western-digital/?utm_source=Official+Auction+Former+Assets+of+Western+Digital&utm_campaign=DigitalWestern&utm_medium=email
>
>
>
>
> --
> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
> the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity!

[That One Guy via Af]

:-( but no fsk?

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Bill Prince via Af  wrote:

>  13.2.1 on PMP450/430.
>
> --
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 12/29/2014 2:09 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
>
> they have a downloadable config file?
>
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af 
> wrote:
>
>> It took 10+ years to get downloadable configuration file.  Everything
>> they do (or dont do) is believable to me at this point.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:
>>
>>> I really want to know how you can possibly screw up the http/https
>>> interface on a radio, to set basic parameters, in such a way that it
>>> consumes massive amounts of CPU on the client-side browser and only works
>>> with one browser...
>>>
>>> If even a super low budget company like TP-Link can make $22 802.11n
>>> SOHO routers that have acceptably usable http GUIs, why not Cambium?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Jay Weekley via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I thought I was the only one. My field unit is old but I would assume
>>>> it would work with an updated browser since every other radio does but ePMP
>>>> was pretty much unusable. I finally reloaded my laptops OS and updates.
>>>> Only Chrome will work with the ePMP interface. IE won't work at all and
>>>> Mozilla give constant script errors. We have another tech that has the same
>>>> issue with a newer laptop.
>>>>
>>>> Kurt Fankhauser via Af wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I can't take it anymore, I'm going back to UBNT for non-FSK/450 stuff.
>>>>> I can no longer deal with the slow and horrible EPMP interface. I thought
>>>>> it would get better as the firmware matured but its not getting any 
>>>>> better,
>>>>> Just loaded the latest firmware 2.3.3 and its still slower than a turtle
>>>>> going in the wrong direction. For crying out loud the old Tranzeo 
>>>>> interface
>>>>> is faster than this! Chrome, and IE 11 it doesn't matter it literally 
>>>>> takes
>>>>> me 30 minutes to config one of these radios. By the time you upgrade the
>>>>> firmware and "try" to upload a template to one. (never does want to take a
>>>>> backup config is always erroring out) I can't afford to be sitting at the
>>>>> bench all day fiddling with these radios. You can't even type text in the
>>>>> fields that already have characters in them without getting some weird
>>>>> outcome. Everytime i go to deal with one of these radios i always end up
>>>>> with obscenities coming out of my mouth and I even have a hole punched in 
>>>>> a
>>>>> wall in the shop cause i got so frustrated with one a few weeks back.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe Bitlomat will come out with third party firmware for these and
>>>>> save us all
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>>>>
>>>>> Wavelinc Communications
>>>>>
>>>>> P.O. Box 126
>>>>>
>>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.wavelinc.com <http://www.wavelinc.com/>
>>>>>
>>>>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>>>>
>>>>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>  --
>  All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>
>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity!

[That One Guy via Af]

they have a downloadable config file?

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af  wrote:

> It took 10+ years to get downloadable configuration file.  Everything they
> do (or dont do) is believable to me at this point.
>
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:
>
>> I really want to know how you can possibly screw up the http/https
>> interface on a radio, to set basic parameters, in such a way that it
>> consumes massive amounts of CPU on the client-side browser and only works
>> with one browser...
>>
>> If even a super low budget company like TP-Link can make $22 802.11n SOHO
>> routers that have acceptably usable http GUIs, why not Cambium?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Jay Weekley via Af  wrote:
>>
>>> I thought I was the only one. My field unit is old but I would assume it
>>> would work with an updated browser since every other radio does but ePMP
>>> was pretty much unusable. I finally reloaded my laptops OS and updates.
>>> Only Chrome will work with the ePMP interface. IE won't work at all and
>>> Mozilla give constant script errors. We have another tech that has the same
>>> issue with a newer laptop.
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser via Af wrote:
>>>
 I can't take it anymore, I'm going back to UBNT for non-FSK/450 stuff.
 I can no longer deal with the slow and horrible EPMP interface. I thought
 it would get better as the firmware matured but its not getting any better,
 Just loaded the latest firmware 2.3.3 and its still slower than a turtle
 going in the wrong direction. For crying out loud the old Tranzeo interface
 is faster than this! Chrome, and IE 11 it doesn't matter it literally takes
 me 30 minutes to config one of these radios. By the time you upgrade the
 firmware and "try" to upload a template to one. (never does want to take a
 backup config is always erroring out) I can't afford to be sitting at the
 bench all day fiddling with these radios. You can't even type text in the
 fields that already have characters in them without getting some weird
 outcome. Everytime i go to deal with one of these radios i always end up
 with obscenities coming out of my mouth and I even have a hole punched in a
 wall in the shop cause i got so frustrated with one a few weeks back.

 Maybe Bitlomat will come out with third party firmware for these and
 save us all




 Kurt Fankhauser

 Wavelinc Communications

 P.O. Box 126

 Bucyrus, OH 44820

 http://www.wavelinc.com 

 tel. 419-562-6405

 fax. 419-617-0110


>>>
>>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] WD Auction

[That One Guy via Af]

I remember that flood, hard drive prices went through the freaking roof

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Craig Baird via Af  wrote:

> I remember seeing pictures of a WD factory or warehouse or something in
> Thailand, I think, that was flooded by a Tsunami a few years ago.  Any
> chance they're trying to sell off stuff involved in that event?
>
> Craig
>
>
> Quoting "Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af" :
>
>  Western digital is still going strong.  They even bought Hitachi a while
>> back.
>>
>> Makes me wonder what the deal is with this auction.
>> On Dec 29, 2014 2:09 PM, "Jason McKemie via Af"  wrote:
>>
>>  Where did you see that?  I can't find anything on it, other than some
>>> April Fool's joke.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Josh Luthman via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Seagate, years ago
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> On Dec 29, 2014 3:34 PM, "Mike Hammett via Af"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  They were bought out a while back.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *From: *"Jason McKemie via Af" 
>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Sent: *Monday, December 29, 2014 2:33:54 PM
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WD Auction
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe they just relocated a manufacturing facility?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:31 PM, That One Guy via Af 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  WD went under?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Jason McKemie via Af 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  There is probably a bunch of good stuff here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.hgpauction.com/auctions/71349/former-assets-
>>>>>>> western-digital/?utm_source=Official+Auction+Former+
>>>>>>> Assets+of+Western+Digital&utm_campaign=DigitalWestern&utm_
>>>>>>> medium=email
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
>>>>>> the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore,
>>>>>> if you
>>>>>> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means,
>>>>>> do not
>>>>>> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] WD Auction

[That One Guy via Af]

WD went under?

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Jason McKemie via Af  wrote:

> There is probably a bunch of good stuff here:
>
>
> http://www.hgpauction.com/auctions/71349/former-assets-western-digital/?utm_source=Official+Auction+Former+Assets+of+Western+Digital&utm_campaign=DigitalWestern&utm_medium=email
>



-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] OT need apple help

[That One Guy via Af]

Step one: Remove any peripherals
Step two: remove all power sources
Step three: throw in trash


On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Bill Prince via Af  wrote:

> Try this:
>
> http://mashable.com/2013/10/23/clean-install-os-x-mavericks/
>
> --
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 12/29/2014 11:05 AM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote:
>
>> One of our office ladies bought an Apple laptop and it has a recovery or
>> firmware password on it. That's all that was explained to me. Is there any
>> way to make this thing work? I haven't touched an Apple since high school,
>> and I think that was pre OSX.
>>
>>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] traps vs polling

[That One Guy via Af]

SNMPc has a good dependency system for minimizing cascading alerts


On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Paul Conlin via Af  wrote:

> I think that is the general consensus.  Trapping at first glance appears
> to be the solution for alerting until the reliability comes into question
> due to the lack of some sort of ACK within the protocol.  Forrest has
> talked about this numerous times and likely has some hard fought lessons
> learned.  Maybe he will chime in.
>
>
>
> It would be nice if Cacti had some sort of statefull mechanism to switch
> to a higher frequency “ping” once a device fails to respond to the standard
> 5 minute check-in schedule.  A 5 minute old alert would be fine but you
> really need to wait for two or more poles to confirm and with such a slow
> sample rate 10 or 15 minutes becomes a little tardy for some targets.  The
> other desirable requirement is for a hierarchal tree so that a backhaul
> outage doesn’t trigger a landslide of alerts from all the devices on the
> other side on the downed link.  I believe there are other monitoring
> systems that do both of these things but I have no experience beyond Cacti.
>
>
>
> PC
>
> Blaze Broadband
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via
> Af
> *Sent:* Monday, December 29, 2014 12:18 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] traps vs polling
>
>
>
> If we poll every minute or every 5 minutes, catching traps may not be
> important.
>
> If we don’t poll, I worry that we will miss a trap due to it being UDP.
>
>
>
> *From:* Eric Muehleisen via Af 
>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 29, 2014 9:52 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] traps vs polling
>
>
>
> Both. Traps for realtime alerting and polling for historicals.
>
> On Monday, December 29, 2014, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:
>
> When attempting to collect system wide status and alarm data real-time,
> are traps reliable enough or should you just poll everything on a regular
> basis?
>
>
>
> --
> Sent via mobile
>



-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] traps vs polling

[That One Guy via Af]

Yeah polling is logging things that are expected, traps are trying to know
whether something unexpected happened or not. Traps are good for logging
things that dont require a high degree of accuracy, or for alerting a
specific condition i real time

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:

>   If we poll every minute or every 5 minutes, catching traps may not be
> important.
> If we don’t poll, I worry that we will miss a trap due to it being UDP.
>
>  *From:* Eric Muehleisen via Af 
> *Sent:* Monday, December 29, 2014 9:52 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] traps vs polling
>
> Both. Traps for realtime alerting and polling for historicals.
>
> On Monday, December 29, 2014, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:
>
>>   When attempting to collect system wide status and alarm data
>> real-time, are traps reliable enough or should you just poll everything on
>> a regular basis?
>>
>
>
> --
> Sent via mobile
>



-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Mounting Brackets against irregular surface brick

[That One Guy via Af]

thats madness, the only tool I can think of is an angle grinder with
masonry disk, keep shaving til flat.
I would just use some concrete anchors with washers on the stud to stand a
plate off in front of the irregularities

On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 7:50 PM, Jeremy via Af  wrote:

> Is that the only option?  Are you trying to mount a J-Pole or what type of
> bracket?
>
> On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 6:45 PM, Rory Conaway via Af  wrote:
>
>> I’ve got some buildings that have a decorative brick on the side that has
>> peaks and valleys of up to 1.5” I need to mount brackets against them
>> meaning I need a tool that can ream away the brick until I have a smooth
>> area to mount the bracket against it. Imagine a hole saw that that is just
>> flat or something like a counter sink tool.  Can someone please tell me
>> what that’s called?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory Conaway
>> Triad Wireless
>> 4226 S. 37th Street
>> Phoenix, Az.  85040
>> 602-426-0542
>> r...@triadwireless.net
>> www.triadwireless.net
>>
>>
>>
>> “Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane”
>>
>>
>>
>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Titanium; Narrower Sectors and GPS

[That One Guy via Af]

come on fanboys, defend the sync!

On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 11:00 PM, Peter Kranz via Af  wrote:

> I’m impressed with the new AC 60 degree sectors so far.. You might want to
> give them a try..
>
> As far as sync goes, as others have mentioned the currently available UBNT
> 802.11N sync solution just does not cut it operationally, I would stamp
> AVOID on it. May get better with the AC hardware based sync, but that’s not
> available yet, so time will tell.
>
>
>
> -Peter
>



-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report

[That One Guy via Af]

I forgot about reputations, you can set the corrugated to log devices by
criteria and lint their traffic or report on it by what they're doing, like
johnnies iPhone is pulling tons of porn so Johnnie gets no more interwebs
On Dec 26, 2014 6:12 PM, "Mike Hammett via Af"  wrote:

> I ran NTOP before, but wasn't really happy with it. Maybe NTOP-NG matured
> after I left it. That said, I've looked at several others in the open
> source world and wasn't really happy with any of them either.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> --
> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, December 26, 2014 6:10:45 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report
>
> Ntop is free.
> On Dec 26, 2014 6:50 PM, "Wireless Admin via Af"  wrote:
>
>> Is there a low end unit that can do this?  Any Idea what price
>> range?
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve B
>>
>>
>>  --
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via
>> Af
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 26, 2014 12:37 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report
>>
>>
>>
>> A Fortigate will do that. you can even cobble it down to showing what
>> user is logged in and what theyre doing
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>>
>> You could put in one of the Mikrotik routers that have the LCD and lock
>> it to displaying the WAN side bandwidth graph.  It won’t tell them what is
>> using all the bandwidth, but they can certainly go around shutting stuff
>> off to see what is causing the usage.  Like oh, it went down when I shut
>> off the satellite TV receiver, I didn’t know that used the Internet.  Or
>> look, it goes up whenever my daughter uses Facetime, that uses the
>> Internet?  Or we all clicked to upgrade our iOS versions and the graph has
>> been pegged for the last day, meanwhile my Xbox games are lagging.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 26, 2014 11:29 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report
>>
>>
>>
>> Powercode does bits down to the minute.
>>
>> If you want more detailed you'll probably need ntop or Procera.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Dec 26, 2014 12:01 PM, "Wireless Admin via Af"  wrote:
>>
>> Can anyone suggest a system that would allow an ISP to provide a customer
>> a detailed report on Internet usage. I’m talking about the ability to show
>> a customer, on usage based billing, what caused the consumption.  My
>> thought would be to route the customers IP through a specialized process
>> for a limited period of time so details could be collected.  A sort of
>> debug mode.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve B
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
>> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
>> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
>> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report

[That One Guy via Af]

This is a sample base report from the one at my house, I dont have a
maintenance contract and its old hardware and locked in old firmware so
little of it works for the reporting. but this is the default cloud report.
Our contract customers who choose to maintain their maintenance agreements
can do alot more, like AD integration, all that good stuff.

We have done managed office firewalls with these, but normally we just try
to get the customer under a managed services contract.

We have dropped them in on a couple residential customers networks long
enough to pull reports, but its a risk to have money at a residence that is
already abusing the system

On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 1:17 PM, That One Guy 
wrote:

> yes, with the maintenance contract you can get as detailed as you want
> without you can only do the source/dest IP/port but not identification of
> the traffic type
> If you have it at a POP just create a policy (in and out) specific to the
> monitored customer and make sure those policies are logging all traffic.
> I believe the 60 series does not have internal storage, the higher series
> do. but you can send to syslog and one of the open source ones, i dont
> recall which, has fortigate specific reporting
>
> Its pretty slick, especially for office environments, the generic cloud
> reporting keeps customers happy
>
> On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Wireless Admin via Af 
> wrote:
>
>> Does FortiOS provide detailed report on Internet usage?  Sorry
>> for the question but I don’t have any experience with this system.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve B.
>>  ------------------
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via
>> Af
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 26, 2014 2:04 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report
>>
>>
>>
>> we are looking at putting 60d and 90d in as our site/POP routers. It will
>> give us more visibility on the network. It does require a service contract
>> for advanced features and reporting. There are a couple syslog servers I
>> guess that can format the reports on these
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 1:00 PM, That One Guy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://www.avfirewalls.com/?gclid=Cj0KEQiAq_SkBRC3jLvJ1IPt2eIBEiQASUZy1z9JetUR94rPQ3lbbwki727bo9hzSXDX33upLwc2LkEaAiBm8P8HAQ
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Wireless Admin via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Is there a low end unit that can do this?  Any Idea what price range?
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve B
>>
>>
>>  --
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via
>> Af
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 26, 2014 12:37 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report
>>
>>
>>
>> A Fortigate will do that. you can even cobble it down to showing what
>> user is logged in and what theyre doing
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>>
>> You could put in one of the Mikrotik routers that have the LCD and lock
>> it to displaying the WAN side bandwidth graph.  It won’t tell them what is
>> using all the bandwidth, but they can certainly go around shutting stuff
>> off to see what is causing the usage.  Like oh, it went down when I shut
>> off the satellite TV receiver, I didn’t know that used the Internet.  Or
>> look, it goes up whenever my daughter uses Facetime, that uses the
>> Internet?  Or we all clicked to upgrade our iOS versions and the graph has
>> been pegged for the last day, meanwhile my Xbox games are lagging.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 26, 2014 11:29 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report
>>
>>
>>
>> Powercode does bits down to the minute.
>>
>> If you want more detailed you'll probably need ntop or Procera.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Dec 26, 2014 12:01 PM, "Wireless Admin via Af"  wrote:
>>
>> Can anyone suggest a system that would allow an ISP to provide a customer
>> a detailed report on Internet usage. I’m talking about the ability to show
>> a customer, on usage based billing, what caused the consumption.  My
>> thought would be to route the customers IP through a specialized process
>> for a limited period of 

Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report

[That One Guy via Af]

yes, with the maintenance contract you can get as detailed as you want
without you can only do the source/dest IP/port but not identification of
the traffic type
If you have it at a POP just create a policy (in and out) specific to the
monitored customer and make sure those policies are logging all traffic.
I believe the 60 series does not have internal storage, the higher series
do. but you can send to syslog and one of the open source ones, i dont
recall which, has fortigate specific reporting

Its pretty slick, especially for office environments, the generic cloud
reporting keeps customers happy

On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Wireless Admin via Af  wrote:

> Does FortiOS provide detailed report on Internet usage?  Sorry
> for the question but I don’t have any experience with this system.
>
>
>
> Steve B.
>  --
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via
> Af
> *Sent:* Friday, December 26, 2014 2:04 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report
>
>
>
> we are looking at putting 60d and 90d in as our site/POP routers. It will
> give us more visibility on the network. It does require a service contract
> for advanced features and reporting. There are a couple syslog servers I
> guess that can format the reports on these
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 1:00 PM, That One Guy 
> wrote:
>
>
> http://www.avfirewalls.com/?gclid=Cj0KEQiAq_SkBRC3jLvJ1IPt2eIBEiQASUZy1z9JetUR94rPQ3lbbwki727bo9hzSXDX33upLwc2LkEaAiBm8P8HAQ
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Wireless Admin via Af 
> wrote:
>
> Is there a low end unit that can do this?  Any Idea what price range?
>
>
>
> Steve B
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via
> Af
> *Sent:* Friday, December 26, 2014 12:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report
>
>
>
> A Fortigate will do that. you can even cobble it down to showing what user
> is logged in and what theyre doing
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>
> You could put in one of the Mikrotik routers that have the LCD and lock it
> to displaying the WAN side bandwidth graph.  It won’t tell them what is
> using all the bandwidth, but they can certainly go around shutting stuff
> off to see what is causing the usage.  Like oh, it went down when I shut
> off the satellite TV receiver, I didn’t know that used the Internet.  Or
> look, it goes up whenever my daughter uses Facetime, that uses the
> Internet?  Or we all clicked to upgrade our iOS versions and the graph has
> been pegged for the last day, meanwhile my Xbox games are lagging.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 26, 2014 11:29 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report
>
>
>
> Powercode does bits down to the minute.
>
> If you want more detailed you'll probably need ntop or Procera.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Dec 26, 2014 12:01 PM, "Wireless Admin via Af"  wrote:
>
> Can anyone suggest a system that would allow an ISP to provide a customer
> a detailed report on Internet usage. I’m talking about the ability to show
> a customer, on usage based billing, what caused the consumption.  My
> thought would be to route the customers IP through a specialized process
> for a limited period of time so details could be collected.  A sort of
> debug mode.
>
>
>
> Steve B
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>



-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report

[That One Guy via Af]

we are looking at putting 60d and 90d in as our site/POP routers. It will
give us more visibility on the network. It does require a service contract
for advanced features and reporting. There are a couple syslog servers I
guess that can format the reports on these

On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 1:00 PM, That One Guy 
wrote:

>
> http://www.avfirewalls.com/?gclid=Cj0KEQiAq_SkBRC3jLvJ1IPt2eIBEiQASUZy1z9JetUR94rPQ3lbbwki727bo9hzSXDX33upLwc2LkEaAiBm8P8HAQ
>
> On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Wireless Admin via Af 
> wrote:
>
>> Is there a low end unit that can do this?  Any Idea what price
>> range?
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve B
>>
>>
>>  ------
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via
>> Af
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 26, 2014 12:37 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report
>>
>>
>>
>> A Fortigate will do that. you can even cobble it down to showing what
>> user is logged in and what theyre doing
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>>
>> You could put in one of the Mikrotik routers that have the LCD and lock
>> it to displaying the WAN side bandwidth graph.  It won’t tell them what is
>> using all the bandwidth, but they can certainly go around shutting stuff
>> off to see what is causing the usage.  Like oh, it went down when I shut
>> off the satellite TV receiver, I didn’t know that used the Internet.  Or
>> look, it goes up whenever my daughter uses Facetime, that uses the
>> Internet?  Or we all clicked to upgrade our iOS versions and the graph has
>> been pegged for the last day, meanwhile my Xbox games are lagging.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 26, 2014 11:29 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report
>>
>>
>>
>> Powercode does bits down to the minute.
>>
>> If you want more detailed you'll probably need ntop or Procera.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Dec 26, 2014 12:01 PM, "Wireless Admin via Af"  wrote:
>>
>> Can anyone suggest a system that would allow an ISP to provide a customer
>> a detailed report on Internet usage. I’m talking about the ability to show
>> a customer, on usage based billing, what caused the consumption.  My
>> thought would be to route the customers IP through a specialized process
>> for a limited period of time so details could be collected.  A sort of
>> debug mode.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve B
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
>> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
>> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
>> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>>
>
>
>
> --
> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>



-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report

[That One Guy via Af]

http://www.avfirewalls.com/?gclid=Cj0KEQiAq_SkBRC3jLvJ1IPt2eIBEiQASUZy1z9JetUR94rPQ3lbbwki727bo9hzSXDX33upLwc2LkEaAiBm8P8HAQ

On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Wireless Admin via Af 
wrote:

> Is there a low end unit that can do this?  Any Idea what price
> range?
>
>
>
> Steve B
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via
> Af
> *Sent:* Friday, December 26, 2014 12:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report
>
>
>
> A Fortigate will do that. you can even cobble it down to showing what user
> is logged in and what theyre doing
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>
> You could put in one of the Mikrotik routers that have the LCD and lock it
> to displaying the WAN side bandwidth graph.  It won’t tell them what is
> using all the bandwidth, but they can certainly go around shutting stuff
> off to see what is causing the usage.  Like oh, it went down when I shut
> off the satellite TV receiver, I didn’t know that used the Internet.  Or
> look, it goes up whenever my daughter uses Facetime, that uses the
> Internet?  Or we all clicked to upgrade our iOS versions and the graph has
> been pegged for the last day, meanwhile my Xbox games are lagging.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 26, 2014 11:29 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report
>
>
>
> Powercode does bits down to the minute.
>
> If you want more detailed you'll probably need ntop or Procera.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Dec 26, 2014 12:01 PM, "Wireless Admin via Af"  wrote:
>
> Can anyone suggest a system that would allow an ISP to provide a customer
> a detailed report on Internet usage. I’m talking about the ability to show
> a customer, on usage based billing, what caused the consumption.  My
> thought would be to route the customers IP through a specialized process
> for a limited period of time so details could be collected.  A sort of
> debug mode.
>
>
>
> Steve B
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>



-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Friday Funny. Local paper makes an interesting misprint

[That One Guy via Af]

If youre number 4 in meth production thats pretty good, not breaking bad
good, but still, you have to have a pretty good recipe and cooking skills


On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Bill Prince via Af  wrote:

> That can't be right; they all have teeth!
>
> --
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 12/26/2014 9:51 AM, Jay Weekley via Af wrote:
>
>> Poor kids. Yes, this is our local paper from Wednesday. Far from their
>> first mistake but possibly one of the worst.
>>
>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report

[That One Guy via Af]

A Fortigate will do that. you can even cobble it down to showing what user
is logged in and what theyre doing

On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:

>   You could put in one of the Mikrotik routers that have the LCD and lock
> it to displaying the WAN side bandwidth graph.  It won’t tell them what is
> using all the bandwidth, but they can certainly go around shutting stuff
> off to see what is causing the usage.  Like oh, it went down when I shut
> off the satellite TV receiver, I didn’t know that used the Internet.  Or
> look, it goes up whenever my daughter uses Facetime, that uses the
> Internet?  Or we all clicked to upgrade our iOS versions and the graph has
> been pegged for the last day, meanwhile my Xbox games are lagging.
>
>  *From:* Josh Luthman via Af 
> *Sent:* Friday, December 26, 2014 11:29 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report
>
>
> Powercode does bits down to the minute.
>
> If you want more detailed you'll probably need ntop or Procera.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Dec 26, 2014 12:01 PM, "Wireless Admin via Af"  wrote:
>
>>  Can anyone suggest a system that would allow an ISP to provide a
>> customer a detailed report on Internet usage. I’m talking about the ability
>> to show a customer, on usage based billing, what caused the consumption.
>> My thought would be to route the customers IP through a specialized process
>> for a limited period of time so details could be collected.  A sort of
>> debug mode.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve B
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin

[That One Guy via Af]

I get a kick out of it when my mom endorses me

On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af  wrote:

>  Mike,
>
> Can you ditch the hot linked images in your signature?The warning
> messages from the email client get to be a bit old.
>
> Facebook, Google, LinkedIn, and Twitter don't really need to know every
> time someone looks at one of your messages.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On 12/26/14 7:43 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
>
> The NY Times piece I think hits the nail on the head...  it's people
> clicking on things without reading what they're doing, then blaming
> somebody else for their actions.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>  
> 
> 
> 
>
>  --
> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke via Af"  
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, December 26, 2014 5:19:28 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin
>
>
> http://venturebeat.com/2014/06/14/linkedin-faces-lawsuit-for-emailing-user-contacts-without-permission/
>
>
>
> http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/21/users-sue-linkedin-over-harvesting-of-e-mail-addresses/?_r=0
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 4:51 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>
>>  Agreed. It only messages or invites people that you authorize it to.
>> Anyone that told you different is a liar.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>>  --
>> *From: *"Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Af" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 25, 2014 6:47:19 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin
>>
>>  It only does that if you (at least in Apple IOS) if you tell it to.
>>
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>> 312-205-2519 Office
>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>
>> On Dec 25, 2014, at 6:34 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:
>>
>>   I refuse to use LinkedIn since the news that it randomly steals your
>> entire iOS / Android contact list and auto spams everyone. Such BS.
>>  On Dec 25, 2014 4:19 PM, "Chuck McCown via Af"  wrote:
>>
>>>   I wish there was a way to un-endorse certain people...
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Mark Radabaugh
> Amplex
> m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021
>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] West Africa Ebola response mission

[That One Guy via Af]

Whats your contact info? I also have a brother in law who was combat medic
in the army, County cop in real world, now Paramedic/ Tactical Medic
instructor.

On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:16 AM, That One Guy 
wrote:

> I happen to be an inactive EMT - I
>
> On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:
>
>>   OK for the knowledge and being able to help.
>> I have been able to help multiple people multiple times.
>>
>> Just not OK as a job... for me.  Not OK as a steady diet.
>> Glad others are OK with it but it was very depressing for me.
>> It hit me very early on that every time I was actually doing my job, it
>> was because something bad has happened.
>>
>>  *From:* Josh Reynolds via Af 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 25, 2014 8:43 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] West Africa Ebola response mission
>>
>> I went through the Army Combat Lifesaver course in a former life, then
>> went through some impromptu combat medical training with 3rd BN 75th Ranger
>> Regiment for a few weeks during deployment - nothing official, but
>> incredibly valuable. I still keep a red medical bag in my jeep just for
>> emergencies.
>>
>> I've always wanted to go through official EMT training, just don't want
>> the response burden that goes along with it. I enjoy being able to help in
>> an emergency under good samaritan laws.
>>
>> On December 25, 2014 6:29:23 PM AKST, Chuck McCown via Af 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  I was an EMT in a former life.  Hated it.  Not my cup of postum.
>>>
>>>  *From:* Eric Kuhnke via Af 
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 25, 2014 4:33 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] West Africa Ebola response mission
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello guys,
>>>
>>> Merry Christmas!  I'm currently in Accra, Ghana working on getting a new
>>> visa for Sierra Leone. For the first quarter of this year I'm contracting
>>> with an international NGO which is providing WAN connectivity to other
>>> agencies responding to the Ebola crisis.
>>>
>>> We are using a mixture of satellite based and terrestrial PTP/PtMP
>>> technologies to accomplish the last mile access.
>>>
>>> Over the next few weeks you may see me posting photos from Freetown,
>>> Sierra Leone to the afmug list. If it becomes excessive please let me know.
>>> Communicating with you guys back in the US is a big stress relief for me.
>>>
>>> If anyone wants my direct contact info, please email and I will send
>>> back my iridium number and local SIM cards' numbers.
>>>
>>> REQUEST: If anyone knows a fearless EMT/Paramedic who wants to accompany
>>> a tower climbing team for multi month periods of time, in exchange for good
>>> financial compensation, please get in touch. No Ebola treatment unit entry
>>> required. To date, zero aid agency workers who do not have direct personal
>>> contact with Ebola patients have contracted the disease. Adventure and
>>> relatively low risk.
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>



-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] West Africa Ebola response mission

[That One Guy via Af]

I happen to be an inactive EMT - I

On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:

>   OK for the knowledge and being able to help.
> I have been able to help multiple people multiple times.
>
> Just not OK as a job... for me.  Not OK as a steady diet.
> Glad others are OK with it but it was very depressing for me.
> It hit me very early on that every time I was actually doing my job, it
> was because something bad has happened.
>
>  *From:* Josh Reynolds via Af 
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 25, 2014 8:43 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] West Africa Ebola response mission
>
> I went through the Army Combat Lifesaver course in a former life, then
> went through some impromptu combat medical training with 3rd BN 75th Ranger
> Regiment for a few weeks during deployment - nothing official, but
> incredibly valuable. I still keep a red medical bag in my jeep just for
> emergencies.
>
> I've always wanted to go through official EMT training, just don't want
> the response burden that goes along with it. I enjoy being able to help in
> an emergency under good samaritan laws.
>
> On December 25, 2014 6:29:23 PM AKST, Chuck McCown via Af 
> wrote:
>>
>>  I was an EMT in a former life.  Hated it.  Not my cup of postum.
>>
>>  *From:* Eric Kuhnke via Af 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 25, 2014 4:33 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] West Africa Ebola response mission
>>
>>
>> Hello guys,
>>
>> Merry Christmas!  I'm currently in Accra, Ghana working on getting a new
>> visa for Sierra Leone. For the first quarter of this year I'm contracting
>> with an international NGO which is providing WAN connectivity to other
>> agencies responding to the Ebola crisis.
>>
>> We are using a mixture of satellite based and terrestrial PTP/PtMP
>> technologies to accomplish the last mile access.
>>
>> Over the next few weeks you may see me posting photos from Freetown,
>> Sierra Leone to the afmug list. If it becomes excessive please let me know.
>> Communicating with you guys back in the US is a big stress relief for me.
>>
>> If anyone wants my direct contact info, please email and I will send back
>> my iridium number and local SIM cards' numbers.
>>
>> REQUEST: If anyone knows a fearless EMT/Paramedic who wants to accompany
>> a tower climbing team for multi month periods of time, in exchange for good
>> financial compensation, please get in touch. No Ebola treatment unit entry
>> required. To date, zero aid agency workers who do not have direct personal
>> contact with Ebola patients have contracted the disease. Adventure and
>> relatively low risk.
>>
>>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>



-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support

[That One Guy via Af]

I set up an arrangement with our local PC shop (also happens to be our
partner retail store) where our customers could get a PC checkup for free,
the trade off is they get foot traffic in the store. we pawn everything off
on them when things are going as they should. they charge a varying amount
to set things up for the customers, but it gets them off our backs.

On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:

>   Ask Siri to explain it to you.
>
>  *From:* Mike Hammett via Af 
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 25, 2014 11:18 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support
>
>  Okay, then it doesn't make it intuitive to do attachments.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> --
> *From: *"Sean Heskett via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:38:22 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support
>
> Attached and sent from my iPhone ;-)
>
> Merry Christmas
>
> -sean
>
> On Thursday, December 25, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>
>>  For sure on Android. I never assume iOS can do anything you'd ever want
>> to do, so I haven't tried. It can't even do e-mail attachments.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof via Af" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:27:11 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support
>>
>>  Can you go to the manufacturer download site, save the file to the
>> phone, then go to the firmware update page in the router GUI, and browse to
>> the file you saved earlier, just like on a PC?
>>
>>  *From:* Josh Luthman via Af
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:20 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support
>>
>>  Phone can just use the web interface like a PC would.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   My current problem is I scanned my network and found about 45
>>> customers with UPnP open to the Internet, I think they are mostly DLinks
>>> with some older Linksys thrown in.  I sent a little note to each of them
>>> recommending they update the firmware and/or disable UPnP, then run the
>>> Rapid7 “Scan My Router Now” test.  There is even a DLink video telling you
>>> how to update your firmware:
>>> How to upgrade the firmware on your router
>>> 
>>>
>>> I would venture a guess 99% of customers have never updated their router
>>> firmware.  This is something IMHO they need to know how to do or pay
>>> someone to do, like changing the oil in your car.  I think the only way
>>> Windows Update ever gets run is because the computer came with it
>>> configured for automatic updates.
>>>
>>> What’s scary is the trend toward people having only phones, tablets,
>>> game consoles, TVs, Rokus, etc. on their WiFi, no actual computers and
>>> certainly nothing with an Ethernet cable.  How do you update the firmware
>>> on your router from a phone, if they want you to download the firmware to
>>> your computer and then upload it to the router?  At least Netgear gives you
>>> buttons when you log into the router GUI to check for new firmware and to
>>> do the upgrade, without having to first store it on your computer.
>>>
>>> And as dependent as these remote support companies are on remote control
>>> software like Teamviewer and GoToSupport, how do they handle the customer
>>> with no computers?  Do they remote into a phone or tablet?  Even if that is
>>> possible, it’s got to be really clumsy to reprogram someone’s WiFi using a
>>> remote session to a WiFi device.
>>>
>>>
>>>  *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 24, 2014 9:15 PM
>>>  *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support
>>>
>>>
>>> thats why i love reverse DHCP based on MAC.  Tell us you have a new
>>> router, check the bridge table on the SM and update the mac.
>>> Additionally, a lot of people NAT the sms.  Early days we had trouble with
>>> that and i've just never liked it...
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Philip Rankin via Af
>>> *To:* af
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 24, 2014 4:50 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support
>>>
>>> The first thing the manufacturer does is tell the customer t

Re: [AFMUG] North Korea is down....

[That One Guy via Af]

Im going to be sysadmin for a real ISP sometime soon, sweet! Im getting me
a captains hat, a parrot and a pegleg.

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Ty Featherling via Af  wrote:
>
> Yes Steve. It is easy.
>
> -Ty
>
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 11:18 AM, That One Guy via Af 
> wrote:
>>
>> So when we get our mikrotiks on the edge of our network we will be able
>> to easily do this magic blocking too?
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> UDP 1900 is ephemeral port, and a low number.
>>>
>>> Many network stacks pick ports sequentially above 1025 which means some
>>> portion of legitimate traffic is going to be dropped if you block just
>>> based on UDP 1900.   It will cause intermittent and unpredictable failures
>>> for applications and it will likely be very difficult to troubleshoot since
>>> the issue will be short lived in most cases.
>>>
>>> You probably want to consider a more specific filter looking deeper in
>>> the packet.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:06 AM, Ty Featherling via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> After seeing suspicious traffic I have dropped UDP port 1900 globally
>>> with no ill-effects. I have dropepd over 300 GB of that traffic this month.
>>>
>>> -Ty
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   I read somewhere, I think maybe Ars, that the DDoS attack has been
>>>> going on for several days and is using primarily NTP and SSDP (UPnP
>>>> discovery protocol) amplification.  And that SSDP has succeeded NTP and DNS
>>>> as the amplification method for big (> 1Gbps) DDoS attacks.  Apparently
>>>> because the industry jumped on securing open NTP servers.  And even though
>>>> SSDP provides less amplification than NTP, there are more targets and they
>>>> are mostly home routers which consumers are not going to patch even if
>>>> there is patched firmware available.  Plus UDP makes it easier to spoof the
>>>> source IP.
>>>>
>>>> So I must have missed that UDP port 1900 is the new target for
>>>> amplification.
>>>>
>>>> I did a quick torch and saw a bunch of traffic on udp/1900, some
>>>> inbound only which I assume are scans, some bidirectional which I’m
>>>> thinking is suspicious but maybe some port 1900 traffic is normal because
>>>> it is in the >1024 ephemeral port range.
>>>>
>>>> I went and signed up for ShadowServer, figuring they will tell me what
>>>> IPs were responding to SSDP requests on what date and I can track down the
>>>> customer.  Anyone have a better approach?  If you identify customers with
>>>> UPnP open to the outside, are you contacting them and pushing them to fix
>>>> it?
>>>>
>>>> It’s just amazing to me that some routers would have UPnP open on the
>>>> WAN side.  What’s wrong with these companies?  I saw DLink mentioned, and
>>>> sure enough, when I torched for udp/1900, I saw a lot of connections for a
>>>> customer that I seem to remember has a DLink DIR-655.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  *From:* Jaime Solorza via Af 
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 22, 2014 7:58 PM
>>>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] North Korea is down
>>>>
>>>>  linksys modems for backhauls
>>>>
>>>>  Jaime Solorza
>>>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>>> 915-861-1390
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications
>>>> Inc via Af  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  No! No! They have Comcast Cable and Century Link DSL.  Normal stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Tyson Burris, President*
>>>>> *Internet Communications Inc.*
>>>>> *739 Commerce Dr.*
>>>>> *Franklin, IN 46131*
>>>>>
>>>>> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
>>>>> *317-412-1540 <317-412-1540> Cell/Direct #*
>>>>> *Online: **www.surfici.net* <http://www.surfici.net/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> *What can ICI do for you?*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...

[That One Guy via Af]

theyre blowing up our citadels through the interweb. We have interweb bombs
now?

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:
>
>   I think we still have a citadel or two, don’t we?
>
>  *From:* Ken Hohhof via Af 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:12 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...
>
>   Well, North Korea threatened to blow up our “citadels” in retaliation.
>
> “Tragedy is when I cut my finger.  Comedy is when you fall into an open
> sewer and die.”
> - Mel Brooks
>
>
>  *From:* Jaime Solorza via Af 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:48 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...
>
>
> Polemic movie.  I thought it was a comedy
>
> Jaime Solorza
> On Dec 23, 2014 12:34 PM, "Gino Villarini via Af"  wrote:
>
>>  Yes, it is the top local newspaper
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> @gvillarini
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>>
>>  Legit news source?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Gino Villarini via Af" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:09:13 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...
>>
>>
>> http://www.elnuevodia.com/puertoricoestrenaralapolemicapeliculatheinterview-1915932.html
>>
>> News in spanish, but local chain to screen the Movie… who gots the cojo…
>> now??
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...

[That One Guy via Af]

give them 51st status

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Gino Villarini via Af  wrote:
>
>
> http://www.elnuevodia.com/puertoricoestrenaralapolemicapeliculatheinterview-1915932.html
>
>  News in spanish, but local chain to screen the Movie… who gots the cojo…
> now??
>
>
>
>  Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>

-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] North Korea is down....

[That One Guy via Af]

So when we get our mikrotiks on the edge of our network we will be able to
easily do this magic blocking too?

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af 
wrote:
>
> UDP 1900 is ephemeral port, and a low number.
>
> Many network stacks pick ports sequentially above 1025 which means some
> portion of legitimate traffic is going to be dropped if you block just
> based on UDP 1900.   It will cause intermittent and unpredictable failures
> for applications and it will likely be very difficult to troubleshoot since
> the issue will be short lived in most cases.
>
> You probably want to consider a more specific filter looking deeper in the
> packet.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:06 AM, Ty Featherling via Af  wrote:
>
> After seeing suspicious traffic I have dropped UDP port 1900 globally with
> no ill-effects. I have dropepd over 300 GB of that traffic this month.
>
> -Ty
>
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>>
>>   I read somewhere, I think maybe Ars, that the DDoS attack has been
>> going on for several days and is using primarily NTP and SSDP (UPnP
>> discovery protocol) amplification.  And that SSDP has succeeded NTP and DNS
>> as the amplification method for big (> 1Gbps) DDoS attacks.  Apparently
>> because the industry jumped on securing open NTP servers.  And even though
>> SSDP provides less amplification than NTP, there are more targets and they
>> are mostly home routers which consumers are not going to patch even if
>> there is patched firmware available.  Plus UDP makes it easier to spoof the
>> source IP.
>>
>> So I must have missed that UDP port 1900 is the new target for
>> amplification.
>>
>> I did a quick torch and saw a bunch of traffic on udp/1900, some inbound
>> only which I assume are scans, some bidirectional which I’m thinking is
>> suspicious but maybe some port 1900 traffic is normal because it is in the
>> >1024 ephemeral port range.
>>
>> I went and signed up for ShadowServer, figuring they will tell me what
>> IPs were responding to SSDP requests on what date and I can track down the
>> customer.  Anyone have a better approach?  If you identify customers with
>> UPnP open to the outside, are you contacting them and pushing them to fix
>> it?
>>
>> It’s just amazing to me that some routers would have UPnP open on the WAN
>> side.  What’s wrong with these companies?  I saw DLink mentioned, and sure
>> enough, when I torched for udp/1900, I saw a lot of connections for a
>> customer that I seem to remember has a DLink DIR-655.
>>
>>
>>  *From:* Jaime Solorza via Af 
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 22, 2014 7:58 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] North Korea is down
>>
>>  linksys modems for backhauls
>>
>>  Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications
>> Inc via Af  wrote:
>>
>>>  No! No! They have Comcast Cable and Century Link DSL.  Normal stuff.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Tyson Burris, President*
>>> *Internet Communications Inc.*
>>> *739 Commerce Dr.*
>>> *Franklin, IN 46131*
>>>
>>> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
>>> *317-412-1540 <317-412-1540> Cell/Direct #*
>>> *Online: **www.surfici.net* 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> *What can ICI do for you?*
>>>
>>>
>>> *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones -
>>> IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.*
>>>
>>> *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the*
>>> *addressee shown. It contains information that is*
>>> *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,*
>>> *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by*
>>> *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly*
>>> *prohibited.*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
>>> via Af
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 22, 2014 4:24 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] North Korea is down
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The FBI setup a P2P server in North Korea with the Sony movie as the
>>> only download. LOL
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>> On 12/22/2014 2:08 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> What did we do? Lol. How did we do it ?
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] 320/450 colocation guide

[That One Guy via Af]

my money is on balls

On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af  wrote:

> Cambium posted the 450 3.65 beta colocation guide on the blog (community)
> website today.
>
> We put up one 450 3.65 co-located with a 320AP today.   Just starting to
> play with it.
>
> Mark




-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] FBI cyber careers

[That One Guy via Af]

I suspect I would not get security clearance beyond making coffee

On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>
>   Could be the career opportunity That One Guy Steve has been looking
> for.  Make that Special Agent (Cyber) One Guy Steve.
>
> http://www.fbijobs.gov/cybercareers/
>
> But see this article about FBI chief Comey wrestling with whether to hire
> pot smokers"
>
>
> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/12/fbi-campaigning-to-hire-skilled-technical-employees-over-the-next-month/
>
> quoting:
>
> Earlier this year, the FBI chief lamented that the bureau was having a
> tough time hiring cyber security experts because of its no-marijuana
> policy. "I have to hire a great work force to compete with those cyber
> criminals and some of those kids want to smoke weed on the way to the
> interview,” FBI Director James Comey told a New York City Bar Association
> meeting in May. Comey later backtracked from the comment, which many took
> as evidence of wanting to soften the policies. "I am absolutely dead-set
> against using marijuana,” he clarified.
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] North Korea is down....

[That One Guy via Af]

I just last night discovered their national news outlet.  KCNA, It reads
like a satire news site. A-Freaking-mazing!

But this morning supposedly south koreas nuclear program was hacked with a
release of blueprints and employee data, I would bet this is a retaliatory
response, or North Korea is saturating their hughesnet connection
downloading the manuals for the sony playstation and the roku

On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc
via Af  wrote:
>
> No! No! They have Comcast Cable and Century Link DSL.  Normal stuff.
>
>
>
> *Tyson Burris, President*
> *Internet Communications Inc.*
> *739 Commerce Dr.*
> *Franklin, IN 46131*
>
> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
> *317-412-1540 <317-412-1540> Cell/Direct #*
> *Online: **www.surfici.net* 
>
>
>
> [image: ICI]
>
> *What can ICI do for you?*
>
>
> *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP
> Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.*
>
> *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the*
> *addressee shown. It contains information that is*
> *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,*
> *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by*
> *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly*
> *prohibited.*
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
> via Af
> *Sent:* Monday, December 22, 2014 4:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] North Korea is down
>
>
>
> The FBI setup a P2P server in North Korea with the Sony movie as the only
> download. LOL
>
> Travis
>
> On 12/22/2014 2:08 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote:
>
>
> What did we do? Lol. How did we do it ?
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone
>
>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack

[That One Guy via Af]

Man, though it would suck, this would be cool if the whole plot was to
steal this loot, causing Sony not to release it, knowing demand will be
high, and it will be released.

The plan being once a limited or leaked release happens, the thieves
"hackers" will release it in the underground (free streaming and p2p like
thepiratebay was) Knowing its going to move through those mediums faster
than The Walking Dead and Game of thrones.

The initial movies they released in the beginning (i dont remember which
ones) were a greenfield deployment with a new malware, only no payload, for
verification of delivery capability or to create a botnet of C&C servers.

When this move gets leaked into that medium it will be embedded with the
full payload malware, knowing more than 50% of the US will probably have
downloaded it to at least one device. With the previous greenfield
deployment being C&C servers, very little traffic would be heading to and
from the suspect sources, mostly US based traffic.

The Pirate Bay being raided and shut down recently gives them the ability
to get up a Torrent server that they control, maybe part of the conspiracy.

If i were going to make a movie about a digital attack, this would be the
bulk of the movie, Id just have Russel Crowe punch a few people and Id be
rich.

On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:

>   https://www.us-cert.gov/ncas/alerts/TA14-353A
>
>
>
>  *From:* Josh Luthman via Af 
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 20, 2014 2:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
>
>
> Kinda what I thought...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Dec 20, 2014 3:41 PM, "Bill Prince via Af"  wrote:
>
>>  Maybe it is a plot perpetrated by Sony to cut out the theaters.
>>
>> The demand for the "banned movie" will be off the charts, because
>> everyone will want to see what they've been censored from.
>>
>> Pay per view, or video on demand, or even DVD/blue ray all seem viable to
>> me.
>>
>> Will take a movie that might have made $100 million up into the
>> multi-hundred million category.
>>
>>
>> --
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 12/20/2014 12:26 PM, Nate Burke via Af wrote:
>>
>> It's not such a crazy idea anymore
>> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30559169
>>
>> Sony Pictures says it is looking at different ways to release The
>> Interview after scrapping its opening following a cyber-attack blamed on
>> North Korea.
>>
>> "Without theatres, we could not release it in the theatres on Christmas
>> Day. We had no choice," the statement added.
>>
>> "It is still our hope that anyone who wants to see this movie will get
>> the opportunity to do so."
>>
>> See, New distribution without theater owners, and they can't get upset.
>>
>> On 12/19/2014 6:45 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>>
>>  Wait, Rodman is a Mormon?� I thought he was fined $50K for insulting
>> Mormons back in the day.
>> �
>> I was kind of hoping he would stay over in N. Korea with his buddy Un,
>> the only person on the planet who thinks of him as a basketball player, not
>> a washed up buffoon.� But N. Korea is stuck in 1950, so the Worm must
>> seem like a basketball star from 45 years in the future.� I still can’t
>> believe that idiot was on the same team with MJ.
>> �
>>  �
>>  *From:* Chuck McCown via Af 
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 19, 2014 6:23 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
>> �
>>   Depends on the Mormon, I prefer peyote, 3D HiFi visions, ping time to
>> heaven is in the nanoseconds...
>>  �
>>  �
>>  *From:* Jason Petrillo via Af 
>>  *Sent:* Friday, December 19, 2014 5:08 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
>> �
>>
>> Chuck,
>>
>> ������������� I didn’t think Mormons drank…
>>
>> �
>>
>> J
>>
>> �
>>
>> �
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> �
>>
>> �
>>
>> �
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via Af
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 19, 2014 3:44 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
>>
>> �
>>
>> I heard that Rev Al and Dennis Rodman shot a porno flick with Kim Jong Un
>> and then he got wet feet during p

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack

[That One Guy via Af]

i want in on this, Ill come to AF for peyote

On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:

>   Depends on the Mormon, I prefer peyote, 3D HiFi visions, ping time to
> heaven is in the nanoseconds...
>
>
>  *From:* Jason Petrillo via Af 
>  *Sent:* Friday, December 19, 2014 5:08 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
>
>
> Chuck,
>
>   I didn’t think Mormons drank…
>
>
>
> J
>
>
>
>
>
> Jason
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via
> Af
> *Sent:* Friday, December 19, 2014 3:44 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
>
>
>
> I heard that Rev Al and Dennis Rodman shot a porno flick with Kim Jong Un
> and then he got wet feet during post production and sent Dennis and Rev Al
> into Sony HQ to delete the copy.  While the worm was attempting to guess
> the Sony root password (123456) they got drunk and ACCIDENTALLY shared some
> files with the rest of  the world.  They are sorry and Kim Jong is not
> returning their calls anymore.   So it is a big mistake, nothing to see
> here.  Please move along.
>
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy via Af 
>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 19, 2014 11:38 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
>
>
>
> The two big problems with the tinfoil theories like that and the ones I
> come up with as well are the domestic terrorism issue, that wont go away,
> somebody will end up dead. The other is Al Sharpton, nobody, for any reason
> under the sun would open that can.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Nate Burke via Af  wrote:
>
>  Ok, putting on my Conspiracy theory hat now that the FBI just announced
> that NK is behind the attack, since there's been no collusion between the
> gov't and the media industry before.  What if Sony is developing a new
> Distribution system to bypass theaters with new releases.  What better way
> to get it started than to have to use it in a way that does not anger
> theater owners.  'Oh, we have to distribute the movie this way, because
> someone threatened you if we show it at your movie theater'  And then, if
> it completely fails, they can point their finger to North Korea who 'Forced
> them to have to do it this way'  They get to try something new without
> having ANYONE upset with them.  Oh, except maybe Seth Rogan.
>
> Were there any recent Sony Internships that touted 'International travel'
> as part of the perks?
>
>  On 12/17/2014 8:39 PM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote:
>
>  True... it's not really surprising they pulled it, nobody is going to
> want to take on that sort of liability.
>
>  --
>
> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [
> af@afmug.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:34 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
>
> If hackers are involved to the degree they claim, which I doubt, the
> mystery of N Koreas involvment (they do have the money to pay for hired
> hackers) has emboldened them to act like warriors.
>
> Sony already has 2 lawsuits going, for not protecting employee data,
> imagine if something did happen at a theater, even a random lunatic with a
> 9mm, thats alot of liability.
>
>
>
> A "leak" of the movie would be great, they can make their money on DMCA
> suits
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Mathew Howard via Af 
> wrote:
>
>   It seems a little odd that a bunch of hackers would even threaten
> that... I would think a more hacker-ish threat would be more credible.
>
>  --
>
> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jason McKemie via Af [
> af@afmug.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
>
> How much of a physical violence threat are a bunch of hackers though? Not
> the most threatening demographic from that standpoint...
>
> On Wednesday, December 17, 2014, Tushar Patel via Af  wrote:
>
>  I was thinking on same line but I am sure they must have got some
> credible threat to act like this.
>
> Tushar
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 17, 2014, at 7:28 PM, Jason McKemie via Af  <http://UrlBlockedError.aspx>> wrote:
>
>  On a side note, I can't believe movie theaters as well as Sony
> capitulated to these dumbasses in regards to "The Interview".  Isn't that
> tantamount to negotiating with a terrorist?

Re: [AFMUG] Syncbox 12 unshielded jacks

[That One Guy via Af]

I have a board out of one sitting in my desk to ship back that I wonder if
this would have saved some APs on, the surge went through the syncbox and
took out 2 APs. I dont know in this instance if it would have helped or not
but I dont thing it would have hurt

On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>
> Hey Forrest, any particular reason the parasitic passthrough jacks on the
> Syncbox 12 aren't shielded?
>
> Am I the only one who wants the shield ground to be continuous all the way
> to the AP?  I'm not sure about grounding the Syncbox circuitry itself,
> that's your stuff so I'm sure you know whether it should be grounded or
> not, I'm just concerned whether breaking the shield continuity to the AP is
> a bad idea.
>
>

-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack

[That One Guy via Af]

the death scene was leaked at least

On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af <
af@afmug.com> wrote:
>
> I agree with Mike. No balls running this place.  I would say fk you I am
> doing a sequel now just to piss you off and shove it up your a$$
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 17, 2014, at 8:29 PM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>
> Agreed. Buncha pussies  and not the good kind.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Jason McKemie via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:28:19 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
>
> On a side note, I can't believe movie theaters as well as Sony capitulated
> to these dumbasses in regards to "The Interview".  Isn't that tantamount to
> negotiating with a terrorist?
>
> On Wednesday, December 17, 2014, Nate Burke via Af  wrote:
>
>> I've only been following loosely with what I hear on the radio, but it
>> sound like there was a lot of data stolen (multiple gig's from the sound of
>> it).  The Last update I heard was that the hack originated from a hotel
>> Wifi connection in china somewhere.  How were they able to transfer that
>> much data in a short enough time that it wasn't discovered and stopped?
>> Did the hotel have a blazing fast network?  Something with getting that
>> amount of data in such a short time dosen't seem to add up.
>>
>
>

-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack

[That One Guy via Af]

The two big problems with the tinfoil theories like that and the ones I
come up with as well are the domestic terrorism issue, that wont go away,
somebody will end up dead. The other is Al Sharpton, nobody, for any reason
under the sun would open that can.

On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Nate Burke via Af  wrote:
>
>  Ok, putting on my Conspiracy theory hat now that the FBI just announced
> that NK is behind the attack, since there's been no collusion between the
> gov't and the media industry before.  What if Sony is developing a new
> Distribution system to bypass theaters with new releases.  What better way
> to get it started than to have to use it in a way that does not anger
> theater owners.  'Oh, we have to distribute the movie this way, because
> someone threatened you if we show it at your movie theater'  And then, if
> it completely fails, they can point their finger to North Korea who 'Forced
> them to have to do it this way'  They get to try something new without
> having ANYONE upset with them.  Oh, except maybe Seth Rogan.
>
> Were there any recent Sony Internships that touted 'International travel'
> as part of the perks?
>
>
> On 12/17/2014 8:39 PM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote:
>
>  True... it's not really surprising they pulled it, nobody is going to
> want to take on that sort of liability.
>
>  --
> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [
> af@afmug.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:34 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
>
>  If hackers are involved to the degree they claim, which I doubt, the
> mystery of N Koreas involvment (they do have the money to pay for hired
> hackers) has emboldened them to act like warriors.
> Sony already has 2 lawsuits going, for not protecting employee data,
> imagine if something did happen at a theater, even a random lunatic with a
> 9mm, thats alot of liability.
>
>  A "leak" of the movie would be great, they can make their money on DMCA
> suits
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Mathew Howard via Af 
> wrote:
>
>>  It seems a little odd that a bunch of hackers would even threaten
>> that... I would think a more hacker-ish threat would be more credible.
>>
>>  --
>> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jason McKemie via Af [
>> af@afmug.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:19 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
>>
>>   How much of a physical violence threat are a bunch of hackers though?
>> Not the most threatening demographic from that standpoint...
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 17, 2014, Tushar Patel via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  I was thinking on same line but I am sure they must have got some
>>> credible threat to act like this.
>>>
>>> Tushar
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 7:28 PM, Jason McKemie via Af >> <http://UrlBlockedError.aspx>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  On a side note, I can't believe movie theaters as well as Sony
>>> capitulated to these dumbasses in regards to "The Interview".  Isn't that
>>> tantamount to negotiating with a terrorist?
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 17, 2014, Nate Burke via Af >> <http://UrlBlockedError.aspx>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've only been following loosely with what I hear on the radio, but it
>>>> sound like there was a lot of data stolen (multiple gig's from the sound of
>>>> it).  The Last update I heard was that the hack originated from a hotel
>>>> Wifi connection in china somewhere.  How were they able to transfer that
>>>> much data in a short enough time that it wasn't discovered and stopped?
>>>> Did the hotel have a blazing fast network?  Something with getting that
>>>> amount of data in such a short time dosen't seem to add up.
>>>>
>>>
>
>  --
>  All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>
>
>

-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Anyone can help me out? Receive a box and send it over here?

[That One Guy via Af]

send it to me, I dont need a shipping label cause Im going to steal it

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:
>
> Yes.  Send it to the office and give me a shipping label or whatever.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Dec 18, 2014 2:26 PM, "Gino Villarini via Af"  wrote:
>
>>   Ill take that as a yes?
>>
>>
>>
>>  Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>
>>
>>   From: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Date: Thursday, December 18, 2014 at 3:18 PM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Anyone can help me out? Receive a box and send
>> it over here?
>>
>>   Ya not a problem.
>>
>>
>>  Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Gino Villarini via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>  Buying some stuff online for wife.  They don’t ship to PR…. Anyone can
>>> help out?
>>>
>>>
>>>  Gino A. Villarini
>>> President
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>> @aeronetpr
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet

[That One Guy via Af]

I can tell you that with the APC solutions, you wont have the universality
that you have with WB. this product line alone went through alot of
revisions and tweaks until it met the industry need, With APC you wont get
that. Youll get what you get and thats that. WB For Life yo!

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Sean Heskett via Af  wrote:
>
> Yup
>
> There is a "data sheet" link at the bottom of the product page and it
> lists most (but not all) devices its compatible with.
>
> http://wbmfg.com/specs///Application%20Chart%20Sheet1.pdf
>
>
> Sean
>
>
> On Thursday, December 18, 2014, Ryan Mano via Af  wrote:
>
>>  Would this also work with ptp600’s?
>>
>>
>>
>> Right now I use the LPU sliver box surge
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy via Af
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:38 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, I just checked and the ones I ended up with were the PDIGTR.
>> Probably won't do anyone any good
>> http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=PDIGTR
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Josh Luthman via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>> OK, just checking.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Dec 18, 2014 11:29 AM, "Chuck McCown via Af"  wrote:
>>
>>   Nope, you can get them for cheap on Amazon.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman via Af
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:28 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet
>>
>>
>>
>> I've got the Din but I'm gathering you don't make a 19 rack unit?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Dec 18, 2014 11:23 AM, "Chuck McCown via Af"  wrote:
>>
>>   Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jeremy via Af
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:17 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet
>>
>>
>>
>> I love the WB GigE-APC-POE!  Here is the APC rack mount...
>>
>> On Dec 18, 2014 9:13 AM, "Josh Luthman via Af"  wrote:
>>
>> You make a rack mount one?  What's the part number?  I'm not seeing it on
>> the website.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Dec 18, 2014 11:10 AM, "Chuck McCown via Af"  wrote:
>>
>>   My rack actually comes from APC and gets modified a bit.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman via Af
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:02 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet
>>
>>
>>
>> Is the APC rack thing grounded like yours, just bigger and rack mountable?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Dec 18, 2014 10:56 AM, "Chuck McCown via Af"  wrote:
>>
>>   And they fit the APC rack too!
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett via Af
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:50 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet
>>
>>
>>
>> Talk to WB Manufacturing. Their surge suppressors are kind of the group's
>> standard.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>  --
>>
>> *From: *"Ryan Mano via Af" 
>> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:49:04 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] APC Protectnet
>>
>> Has anyone replaced their moto surges with these?
>>
>>
>> http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=PNETR6&tab=models
>>
>>
>>
>> I use a lot of the packetflux syncinjectors at my towers and it’s a
>> recommend surge that packetflux says to use instead of the moto surges
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a ptp 230 that has tons of crc errors that just happened recently
>> and am wondering if this would help it…we checked the cables and the moto
>> surge and all is find so am thinking it maybe due to this
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone else tried out these surges?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack

[That One Guy via Af]

If hackers are involved to the degree they claim, which I doubt, the
mystery of N Koreas involvment (they do have the money to pay for hired
hackers) has emboldened them to act like warriors.
Sony already has 2 lawsuits going, for not protecting employee data,
imagine if something did happen at a theater, even a random lunatic with a
9mm, thats alot of liability.

A "leak" of the movie would be great, they can make their money on DMCA
suits


On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Mathew Howard via Af  wrote:
>
>  It seems a little odd that a bunch of hackers would even threaten
> that... I would think a more hacker-ish threat would be more credible.
>
>  --
> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jason McKemie via Af [
> af@afmug.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
>
>  How much of a physical violence threat are a bunch of hackers though?
> Not the most threatening demographic from that standpoint...
>
> On Wednesday, December 17, 2014, Tushar Patel via Af  wrote:
>
>>  I was thinking on same line but I am sure they must have got some
>> credible threat to act like this.
>>
>> Tushar
>>
>>
>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 7:28 PM, Jason McKemie via Af > > wrote:
>>
>>  On a side note, I can't believe movie theaters as well as Sony
>> capitulated to these dumbasses in regards to "The Interview".  Isn't that
>> tantamount to negotiating with a terrorist?
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 17, 2014, Nate Burke via Af > > wrote:
>>
>>> I've only been following loosely with what I hear on the radio, but it
>>> sound like there was a lot of data stolen (multiple gig's from the sound of
>>> it).  The Last update I heard was that the hack originated from a hotel
>>> Wifi connection in china somewhere.  How were they able to transfer that
>>> much data in a short enough time that it wasn't discovered and stopped?
>>> Did the hotel have a blazing fast network?  Something with getting that
>>> amount of data in such a short time dosen't seem to add up.
>>>
>>

-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack

[That One Guy via Af]

Seth Rogen at least hasnt seemed to punk out yet. Sony has to let al
sharpton make the decision on when theyre going to end up releasing the
movie.
Hopefully rogen pulls some underhandedness and lets a screener slip out his
back door

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>
> Agreed. Buncha pussies  and not the good kind.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Jason McKemie via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:28:19 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
>
> On a side note, I can't believe movie theaters as well as Sony capitulated
> to these dumbasses in regards to "The Interview".  Isn't that tantamount to
> negotiating with a terrorist?
>
> On Wednesday, December 17, 2014, Nate Burke via Af  wrote:
>
>> I've only been following loosely with what I hear on the radio, but it
>> sound like there was a lot of data stolen (multiple gig's from the sound of
>> it).  The Last update I heard was that the hack originated from a hotel
>> Wifi connection in china somewhere.  How were they able to transfer that
>> much data in a short enough time that it wasn't discovered and stopped?
>> Did the hotel have a blazing fast network?  Something with getting that
>> amount of data in such a short time dosen't seem to add up.
>>
>
>

-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack

[That One Guy via Af]

The number of movies alone has to be huge in data size, even if they were
stored in some proprietary compressed format its got to be way more than a
handful of GB. Its doubtful Sony will elaborate on the exact number and its
certain the "hackers" will exaggerate the number.

Truth be told, it was me with my mad hAcK SkLZ that did it.

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:
>
> Call it 5 gigs and you left your laptop on overnight, wouldn't be that
> hard would it?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Nate Burke via Af  wrote:
>
>> I've only been following loosely with what I hear on the radio, but it
>> sound like there was a lot of data stolen (multiple gig's from the sound of
>> it).  The Last update I heard was that the hack originated from a hotel
>> Wifi connection in china somewhere.  How were they able to transfer that
>> much data in a short enough time that it wasn't discovered and stopped?
>> Did the hotel have a blazing fast network?  Something with getting that
>> amount of data in such a short time dosen't seem to add up.
>>
>
>

-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack

[That One Guy via Af]

I think when all is said and done, a flash drive will have come into play.

Im betting the primary data breach was through that avenue and the others
were secondary using data gained.

Wouldnt be surprised if one of the two already filing suit were involved.

I find it hard to believe that a company the size of sony, whos primary
profit driver is its digital content did not have any mechanisms in place
for IDS and DLP. That volume of data traversing their network would have
been flagged, I doubt the screeners of their newest unreleased movies were
just sitting on a NAS with no security

It may be easiest to locate the mole inside through a review of employee
credit card record. Just find the ones who purchased new underwear in the
last month. Im pretty sure they shit their pants when this thing blew up
the way it did, they went from thief to domestic terrorist over night.

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Nate Burke via Af  wrote:
>
> I've only been following loosely with what I hear on the radio, but it
> sound like there was a lot of data stolen (multiple gig's from the sound of
> it).  The Last update I heard was that the hack originated from a hotel
> Wifi connection in china somewhere.  How were they able to transfer that
> much data in a short enough time that it wasn't discovered and stopped?
> Did the hotel have a blazing fast network?  Something with getting that
> amount of data in such a short time dosen't seem to add up.
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] syncpipe parasitic with syncinjector

[That One Guy via Af]

sweet


On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:53 AM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
 wrote:
>
>
> http://manuals.packetflux.com/index.php?page=using-a-syncpipe-parasitic-with-a-syncinjector
>
>
> On 12/17/2014 10:14 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
>
> with moving to the syncinjectors we will be pulling back a bunch of
> parasitics, is there a way to utilize these bad boys with the syncinjectors?
>
>  --
>  All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>
>
>

-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

[AFMUG] syncpipe parasitic with syncinjector

[That One Guy via Af]

with moving to the syncinjectors we will be pulling back a bunch of
parasitics, is there a way to utilize these bad boys with the syncinjectors?

-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] securing power supplies in enclosures

[That One Guy via Af]

ive tried that too, the problem is not having it in the truck when swapping
power supplies in a pinch
id like a screw clamp of some sort, i might just try fastening hose clamps
to din clips.

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af  wrote:
>
> I use 3M Dual Lock
>
> http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Adhesives/
> Tapes/Brands/Dual-Lock-Reclosable-Fasteners/
>
> It works at really low and high temps. Its like velcro but WAY better.
> Sticks to anything. You can buy it in long rolls and cut it to the size you
> need.
>
> The next step is training everyone to carry it with them when they go to a
> site to fix something.
>
> Matthew Jenkins
> SmarterBroadband
> m...@sbbinc.net
> 530.272.4000
>
>
> On 12/15/2014 09:20 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
>
>> anybody have a cheap universal solution for the different size power
>> supplies and poe injectors?
>>
>> I finally have a mix of rack and DIN in our enclosures to handle most of
>> the gear keeping it pretty, but the power supplies are the problem now.
>> Velcro is good, but they tend to slide out. Zip ties are perfect, except in
>> a pinch nobody has them or uses them and just throws power supplies in the
>> box loose.
>>
>> --
>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
>> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
>> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
>> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>>
>
>

-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless router internet help video?

[That One Guy via Af]

Chuck, I need you to record yourself saying "k billies super sounds of the
70s weekend just on comin with this little ditty"

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:

> Here is one I did:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp4nKu4SaIs&feature=youtu.be
>
> -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson via Af
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 12:49 PM
> To: 'af@afmug.com'
> Subject: [AFMUG] Wireless router internet help video?
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOdOBVKenzQ
>
> Just got another support ticket complaining of crappy to no internet for
> 10 days...
>
> Response to my queries of specifics:
>
> "we are wireless.  The fastest we've seen in the last two weeks is about
> 30 mbps up or down.  Sometimes it's so weak, I can't even test it.  I reset
> our router several times...
> It's always slow, but sometimes our devices can't even open pages because
> it's so slow or even dead for a few minutes."
>
> It's the same old "my internet hasn't worked for days" problem that isn't
> our problem.
>
> Does anyone have a better video/solution than this one, for explaining to
> customers your 'wireless router' sucks problem?
>
>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications

[That One Guy via Af]

Dan, I will take one of those for christmas please

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Daniel White via Af  wrote:

> At SAF we suggest a spectrum analyzer to measure the actual noise on your
> path to determine if it will affect your path fade margin.
>
>
>
> Anyone want to buy a spectrum analyzer :-)
>
>
>
> In all seriousness… many of our customers that have purchased our Spectrum
> Analyzers have reported back to us finding interference on properly
> licensed links that would affect fade margin.
>
>
>
> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370]
>
> *Daniel White* | Managing Director
>
> *SAF North America LLC*
>
>
>
> *Cell:*
>
>
>
> (303) 746-3590
>
> *Skype:*
>
> danieldwhite
>
> *E-mail:*
>
> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Hardy, Tim via Af
> *Sent:* Monday, December 15, 2014 11:12 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
>
>
>
> Welcome to prior coordination!  Now that you have licenses, other proposed
> users of the spectrum within coordination distance are required by FCC Rule
> to notify you before they can file their FCC applications.  This is what
> you have been receiving.  The coordination distance can be quite large, and
> at 11 GHz it is defined as a 125 mile circle plus an additional 125 mile
> keyhole +/- 5 degrees around the main beam.
>
>
>
> You should take an active interest in the notices you receive as depending
> on the skill of the coordinator, your path’s fade margins could be in
> jeopardy.  All coordinators offer a “protection service” for a fee, where
> they will routinely monitor, analyze and answer all PCNs that could affect
> your system in case you don’t want to do the analysis yourself.
>
>
>
> Your license does provide you some protection from interference from any
> later filed systems and this works well in catastrophic interference
> situations.  Interference with digital systems primarily affects threshold
> degradation and thus fade margin.  I can’t tell you how many times we have
> found very serious threshold degradation cases in operating systems.  The
> path seems to operate as planned but just doesn’t have the planned for
> margin since its been degraded by interference.  From a system
> implementation and maintenance standpoint, we encourage our customers to:
>
>
>
> 1.Do a fade test during path implementation.  This involves fading or
> muting each side of the path to ensure that the path operates all the way
> to threshold.  If it does not, there is probably interference present that
> needs to be identified and quantified.
>
> 2.Since the environment is so dynamic, we recommend performing these
> tests on an annual or bi-annual basis just to make sure that everything is
> still operating as planned.
>
>
>
> Hope this has helped!
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af
> *Sent:* Monday, December 15, 2014 12:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
>
>
>
> Since we got our license a few weeks ago we have gotten a ton of these
> things, some of which are a state away.
>
> What is the criteria for sending these things out?
>
> What are we supposed to do with them, are we supposed to run a pth calc to
> see if it looks like it will cause issues?
>
> whos responsible for prior notice if it looks like it might? Is it us or
> the applicant frequency coordinator?
>
>
>
> --
>
> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>



-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

[AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications

[That One Guy via Af]

Since we got our license a few weeks ago we have gotten a ton of these
things, some of which are a state away.
What is the criteria for sending these things out?
What are we supposed to do with them, are we supposed to run a pth calc to
see if it looks like it will cause issues?
whos responsible for prior notice if it looks like it might? Is it us or
the applicant frequency coordinator?

-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] securing power supplies in enclosures

[That One Guy via Af]

Im talking about the stock power supplies, we are moving to syncinjectors
for most stuff, but the power supplies for those need to be mounted
somewhere and theyre cheaper than DIN mount DC power supplies. and then
there are one offs, we put up a site saturday with all the APs powered from
syncinjectors but the one backhaul is a rocket so its got a power supply
already. Most of that type can be powered from a toughswitch, but not all
sites that have ubnt have a toughswitch.

Im looking for mounting what we have, not changing what we have

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 11:26 AM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
 wrote:

>  Uhh, DIN rail power supplies?
>
> On 12/15/2014 11:20 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
>
> anybody have a cheap universal solution for the different size power
> supplies and poe injectors?
>
>  I finally have a mix of rack and DIN in our enclosures to handle most of
> the gear keeping it pretty, but the power supplies are the problem now.
> Velcro is good, but they tend to slide out. Zip ties are perfect, except in
> a pinch nobody has them or uses them and just throws power supplies in the
> box loose.
>
>  --
>  All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>
>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

[AFMUG] securing power supplies in enclosures

[That One Guy via Af]

anybody have a cheap universal solution for the different size power
supplies and poe injectors?

I finally have a mix of rack and DIN in our enclosures to handle most of
the gear keeping it pretty, but the power supplies are the problem now.
Velcro is good, but they tend to slide out. Zip ties are perfect, except in
a pinch nobody has them or uses them and just throws power supplies in the
box loose.

-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Counduit pull cable

[That One Guy via Af]

we ended up getting our mule tape off ebay, drastically lower cost when you
buy things that fell of trucks

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af  wrote:

> On 12/15/14, 6:50 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>
>> You might find cable grips in the Klein tools display in the electrical
>> section at Home Depot, but an electrical supply house (or online) will
>> have more choices of size and type.
>>
>
>
> Yeah they should have a couple small ones. I've never seen mule tape there
> though.
>
> ~Seth
>



-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Counduit pull cable

[That One Guy via Af]

any electric supply house has the grips, but they rape you on the cost

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 8:30 AM, joseph marsh via Af  wrote:

> I don't have the grips. And is this available at home depot or Lowes?
>  On Dec 15, 2014 8:27 AM, "Chuck McCown via Af"  wrote:
>
>>   Muletape is reusable.  It has footage markers on it.
>> I like to use a light weight string with a baggie on the end.  Suck it
>> through with a vacuum cleaner.
>> Then pull back the muletape.  Use that for pulling the cable.
>>
>> Do you have the grips/socks chinese finger pull devices to grab the cable?
>> Much better than a series of half hitches that get hung up on
>> everything.
>>
>>
>>  *From:* joseph marsh via Af 
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 15, 2014 7:13 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Counduit pull cable
>>
>>
>> What's The best for a pull string.
>>
>> I thought about using a1/4 inch rope. Is  this OK or not ? First time
>> doing this
>>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Counduit pull cable

[That One Guy via Af]

Mule tape is best, pull another run of it with the cable that way the next
run takes the same path.
The nylon string cuts stuff
On Dec 15, 2014 8:21 AM, "joseph marsh via Af"  wrote:

> We got a 167 ft fiber run for this weekend
> On Dec 15, 2014 8:18 AM, "Jaime Solorza via Af"  wrote:
>
>> Mule tape is one.  Pull string made from Nylon is other. Comes in a bucket
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> On Dec 15, 2014 7:13 AM, "joseph marsh via Af"  wrote:
>>
>>> What's The best for a pull string.
>>>
>>> I thought about using a1/4 inch rope. Is  this OK or not ? First time
>>> doing this
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths

[That One Guy via Af]

Whos this Sergiu Guy? I never heard of him
Do I get to hassle that guy now?

On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Daniel White via Af  wrote:

> Sergiu Albu would be Steve’s SAF rep… but he doesn’t hang out on the list.
>
>
>
> I help all of my customers regardless of territory (since mine in North
> America ;-)
>
>
>
> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370]
>
> *Daniel White* | Managing Director
>
> *SAF North America LLC*
>
>
>
> *Cell:*
>
>
>
> (303) 746-3590
>
> *Skype:*
>
> danieldwhite
>
> *E-mail:*
>
> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via
> Af
> *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 9:06 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths
>
>
>
> Jarrod Washington [jarrod.washing...@moonblink.com]
>
> really good sales guy
>
> we had a communication issue with the licensing coordination, was really
> something we should have been more clear on because of the clustered way
> our business structure is. but it ultimately resulted in a new FRN being
> created instead of the license going to our FRN. He took ownership of the
> issue and got it all squared away in no time. hes a rockstar. You see how
> many questions i fire off on this list, you can imagine what that poor
> bastard had to deal with with me having a direct line to him.
>
>
>
> Daniel White from the list here filled in the gaps.
>
>
>
> Im a SAF fanboy now
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:
>
> Only you, Steve :)
>
> Who's your SAF rep?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Dec 12, 2014 10:34 PM, "That One Guy via Af"  wrote:
>
> yeah, we are the PCN is -43 and we are -42/-41  Everything tests fine,
> speedtests are great, full capacity. I wouldnt be concerned if it had been
> hard to get the link up.
>
>
>
> we did full H/V sweeps on both sides, then fine aligned as normal. I just
> expected it to be hard to find the link and somewhat easy to use it. on the
> sweeps we didnt see notable side lobe peaks. just strange.
>
>
>
> Im really freaking happy with SAF on this though, great support from
> moonblink both pre and post sales, input from SAF sales and support
> directly, quick responses. I guess my only complaint is the product wasnt
> harder to use
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:27 PM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:
>
> If you got the signal the PCN states you're good to go.  You can also do a
> speed test to verify your 300 some megs if you need to?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Dec 12, 2014 10:24 PM, "That One Guy via Af"  wrote:
>
> yes.
>
> you do understand my concern is that they linked up too easily? Im almost
> thinking we could have just laid the antennas on their sides and they still
> would have made a marginal link. If I werent so pessimistic I would be
> excited about this. Im concerned when the ground thaws or something
> everything will go batty
>
> We have cut the traffic over to it.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af 
> wrote:
>
> Did u make sure they linked up in lab first?
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Dec 12, 2014 7:08 PM, "That One Guy via Af"  wrote:
>
> the ground is frozen, pretty much all tilled farmland. Is it possible im
> seeing some sort of multipath type madness that this thing just wouldnt not
> link up. Ive had a harder time pointing shorter 5ghz links
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af 
> wrote:
>
> Slow and easy...slow and easy...
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Dec 12, 2014 11:43 AM, "That One Guy via Af"  wrote:
>
> madness we are a little better than the target after fine alignment. at
> one point we had the 4' side pinting to the ground abot 100 yards out ant
> it still had about a -80 on the bnc readout
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>
> Yeah, it was so considerate of AT&T to leave that dish up there when they
> sold off the site, only needed to be re-aimed about 2 degrees to go where
> we wanted.  And they built a platform to stand on while aiming it, that was
> awfully nice of them.  And they left the flexible waveguide down to the
> shelter.  I’d really hate to think about hanging a new 12 ft dish ourselves
> and running waveguide to it.  And it’s an Andrew parabolic, not the

Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths

[That One Guy via Af]

Jarrod Washington [jarrod.washing...@moonblink.com]
really good sales guy
we had a communication issue with the licensing coordination, was really
something we should have been more clear on because of the clustered way
our business structure is. but it ultimately resulted in a new FRN being
created instead of the license going to our FRN. He took ownership of the
issue and got it all squared away in no time. hes a rockstar. You see how
many questions i fire off on this list, you can imagine what that poor
bastard had to deal with with me having a direct line to him.

Daniel White from the list here filled in the gaps.

Im a SAF fanboy now

On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:
>
> Only you, Steve :)
>
> Who's your SAF rep?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Dec 12, 2014 10:34 PM, "That One Guy via Af"  wrote:
>
>> yeah, we are the PCN is -43 and we are -42/-41  Everything tests fine,
>> speedtests are great, full capacity. I wouldnt be concerned if it had been
>> hard to get the link up.
>>
>> we did full H/V sweeps on both sides, then fine aligned as normal. I just
>> expected it to be hard to find the link and somewhat easy to use it. on the
>> sweeps we didnt see notable side lobe peaks. just strange.
>>
>> Im really freaking happy with SAF on this though, great support from
>> moonblink both pre and post sales, input from SAF sales and support
>> directly, quick responses. I guess my only complaint is the product wasnt
>> harder to use
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:27 PM, Josh Luthman via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If you got the signal the PCN states you're good to go.  You can also do
>>> a speed test to verify your 300 some megs if you need to?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Dec 12, 2014 10:24 PM, "That One Guy via Af"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> yes.
>>>> you do understand my concern is that they linked up too easily? Im
>>>> almost thinking we could have just laid the antennas on their sides and
>>>> they still would have made a marginal link. If I werent so pessimistic I
>>>> would be excited about this. Im concerned when the ground thaws or
>>>> something everything will go batty
>>>> We have cut the traffic over to it.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Did u make sure they linked up in lab first?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>> On Dec 12, 2014 7:08 PM, "That One Guy via Af"  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> the ground is frozen, pretty much all tilled farmland. Is it possible
>>>>>> im seeing some sort of multipath type madness that this thing just 
>>>>>> wouldnt
>>>>>> not link up. Ive had a harder time pointing shorter 5ghz links
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Slow and easy...slow and easy...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>> On Dec 12, 2014 11:43 AM, "That One Guy via Af" 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> madness we are a little better than the target after fine
>>>>>>>> alignment. at one point we had the 4' side pinting to the ground abot 
>>>>>>>> 100
>>>>>>>> yards out ant it still had about a -80 on the bnc readout
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   Yeah, it was so considerate of AT&T to leave that dish up there
>>>>>>>>> when they sold off the site, only needed to be re-aimed about 2 
>>>>>>>>> degrees to
>>>>>>>>> go where we wanted.  And they built a platform to stand on while 
>>>>>>>>> aiming it,
>>>>>>>>> that was awfully nice of them.  And they left the flexible waveguide 
>>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>>> to the shelter.  I’d really hate to think about hanging a n

Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths

[That One Guy via Af]

yeah, we are the PCN is -43 and we are -42/-41  Everything tests fine,
speedtests are great, full capacity. I wouldnt be concerned if it had been
hard to get the link up.

we did full H/V sweeps on both sides, then fine aligned as normal. I just
expected it to be hard to find the link and somewhat easy to use it. on the
sweeps we didnt see notable side lobe peaks. just strange.

Im really freaking happy with SAF on this though, great support from
moonblink both pre and post sales, input from SAF sales and support
directly, quick responses. I guess my only complaint is the product wasnt
harder to use

On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:27 PM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:
>
> If you got the signal the PCN states you're good to go.  You can also do a
> speed test to verify your 300 some megs if you need to?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Dec 12, 2014 10:24 PM, "That One Guy via Af"  wrote:
>
>> yes.
>> you do understand my concern is that they linked up too easily? Im almost
>> thinking we could have just laid the antennas on their sides and they still
>> would have made a marginal link. If I werent so pessimistic I would be
>> excited about this. Im concerned when the ground thaws or something
>> everything will go batty
>> We have cut the traffic over to it.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Did u make sure they linked up in lab first?
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>> On Dec 12, 2014 7:08 PM, "That One Guy via Af"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> the ground is frozen, pretty much all tilled farmland. Is it possible
>>>> im seeing some sort of multipath type madness that this thing just wouldnt
>>>> not link up. Ive had a harder time pointing shorter 5ghz links
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Slow and easy...slow and easy...
>>>>>
>>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>> On Dec 12, 2014 11:43 AM, "That One Guy via Af"  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> madness we are a little better than the target after fine alignment.
>>>>>> at one point we had the 4' side pinting to the ground abot 100 yards out
>>>>>> ant it still had about a -80 on the bnc readout
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Yeah, it was so considerate of AT&T to leave that dish up there
>>>>>>> when they sold off the site, only needed to be re-aimed about 2 degrees 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> go where we wanted.  And they built a platform to stand on while aiming 
>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>> that was awfully nice of them.  And they left the flexible waveguide 
>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>> to the shelter.  I’d really hate to think about hanging a new 12 ft dish
>>>>>>> ourselves and running waveguide to it.  And it’s an Andrew parabolic, 
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> the old WE horns, so we don’t have to worry about water getting into the
>>>>>>> waveguide and freezing.  It doesn’t even look like anyone has been using
>>>>>>> the lightning bolt logo for target practice.  Life is good when someone
>>>>>>> abandons nice stuff you can use.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  *From:* Hardy, Tim via Af 
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 11:18 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HPBW for a 12 ft dish at 11.2 GHz is 0.5 degree.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
>>>>>>> via Af
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 11:17 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope, a 4 ft dish in 11 GHz should be pretty narrow, a few degrees
>>>>>>> and you should 

Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths

[That One Guy via Af]

yes.
you do understand my concern is that they linked up too easily? Im almost
thinking we could have just laid the antennas on their sides and they still
would have made a marginal link. If I werent so pessimistic I would be
excited about this. Im concerned when the ground thaws or something
everything will go batty
We have cut the traffic over to it.

On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af  wrote:
>
> Did u make sure they linked up in lab first?
>
> Jaime Solorza
> On Dec 12, 2014 7:08 PM, "That One Guy via Af"  wrote:
>
>> the ground is frozen, pretty much all tilled farmland. Is it possible im
>> seeing some sort of multipath type madness that this thing just wouldnt not
>> link up. Ive had a harder time pointing shorter 5ghz links
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Slow and easy...slow and easy...
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>> On Dec 12, 2014 11:43 AM, "That One Guy via Af"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> madness we are a little better than the target after fine alignment. at
>>>> one point we had the 4' side pinting to the ground abot 100 yards out ant
>>>> it still had about a -80 on the bnc readout
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>   Yeah, it was so considerate of AT&T to leave that dish up there
>>>>> when they sold off the site, only needed to be re-aimed about 2 degrees to
>>>>> go where we wanted.  And they built a platform to stand on while aiming 
>>>>> it,
>>>>> that was awfully nice of them.  And they left the flexible waveguide down
>>>>> to the shelter.  I’d really hate to think about hanging a new 12 ft dish
>>>>> ourselves and running waveguide to it.  And it’s an Andrew parabolic, not
>>>>> the old WE horns, so we don’t have to worry about water getting into the
>>>>> waveguide and freezing.  It doesn’t even look like anyone has been using
>>>>> the lightning bolt logo for target practice.  Life is good when someone
>>>>> abandons nice stuff you can use.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  *From:* Hardy, Tim via Af 
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 11:18 AM
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> HPBW for a 12 ft dish at 11.2 GHz is 0.5 degree.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
>>>>> via Af
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 11:17 AM
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, a 4 ft dish in 11 GHz should be pretty narrow, a few degrees and
>>>>> you should be into a deep, deep null.  Take a look at the beamwidth or
>>>>> pattern for your antenna.  It should be similar to an 8 ft dish in 5.x 
>>>>> GHz.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We once used an existing 12 ft dish for an 11 GHz link and I kept
>>>>> having to tell the tower guy he was not going to be able to eyeball it.
>>>>> The beamwidth was something like 1 degree if I remember right.  He ketp
>>>>> getting nada for signal until I made him slowly sweep the azimuth.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* That One Guy via Af 
>>>>>
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 9:50 AM
>>>>>
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>
>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Weve never gone above 2'
>>>>>
>>>>> we finished installing our 11ghz link yesterday and had the antennas
>>>>> rough aligned, one side is 3' one side is 4'. I expected the tighter
>>>>> patterns would make it harder to find the initial link but they actually
>>>>> linked up right off the bat and it was right on the projected power 
>>>>> levels.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is only 10 miles, so we have visual on the path.
>>>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths

[That One Guy via Af]

the ground is frozen, pretty much all tilled farmland. Is it possible im
seeing some sort of multipath type madness that this thing just wouldnt not
link up. Ive had a harder time pointing shorter 5ghz links

On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af  wrote:
>
> Slow and easy...slow and easy...
>
> Jaime Solorza
> On Dec 12, 2014 11:43 AM, "That One Guy via Af"  wrote:
>
>> madness we are a little better than the target after fine alignment. at
>> one point we had the 4' side pinting to the ground abot 100 yards out ant
>> it still had about a -80 on the bnc readout
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>>
>>>   Yeah, it was so considerate of AT&T to leave that dish up there when
>>> they sold off the site, only needed to be re-aimed about 2 degrees to go
>>> where we wanted.  And they built a platform to stand on while aiming it,
>>> that was awfully nice of them.  And they left the flexible waveguide down
>>> to the shelter.  I’d really hate to think about hanging a new 12 ft dish
>>> ourselves and running waveguide to it.  And it’s an Andrew parabolic, not
>>> the old WE horns, so we don’t have to worry about water getting into the
>>> waveguide and freezing.  It doesn’t even look like anyone has been using
>>> the lightning bolt logo for target practice.  Life is good when someone
>>> abandons nice stuff you can use.
>>>
>>>
>>>  *From:* Hardy, Tim via Af 
>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 11:18 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths
>>>
>>>
>>> HPBW for a 12 ft dish at 11.2 GHz is 0.5 degree.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof via
>>> Af
>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 11:17 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nope, a 4 ft dish in 11 GHz should be pretty narrow, a few degrees and
>>> you should be into a deep, deep null.  Take a look at the beamwidth or
>>> pattern for your antenna.  It should be similar to an 8 ft dish in 5.x GHz.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We once used an existing 12 ft dish for an 11 GHz link and I kept having
>>> to tell the tower guy he was not going to be able to eyeball it.  The
>>> beamwidth was something like 1 degree if I remember right.  He ketp getting
>>> nada for signal until I made him slowly sweep the azimuth.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* That One Guy via Af 
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 9:50 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Weve never gone above 2'
>>>
>>> we finished installing our 11ghz link yesterday and had the antennas
>>> rough aligned, one side is 3' one side is 4'. I expected the tighter
>>> patterns would make it harder to find the initial link but they actually
>>> linked up right off the bat and it was right on the projected power levels.
>>>
>>> This is only 10 miles, so we have visual on the path.
>>>
>>> We did a  little rough alignment yesterday, and will do the fine
>>> alignment today. when we we roughing it there was a good amount of travel
>>> on the antenna (4') side we were on and only a couple db change. do larger
>>> antennas on such a short path give you a little more leniency in alignment
>>> or something? we will do full horizontal and vertical panning today to make
>>> sure we arent in side lobes, just curious is there is more slop in this
>>> scenario.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
>>> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
>>> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
>>> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
>> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
>> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
>> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>>
>

-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?

[That One Guy via Af]

other than the police shooting you, you should be good

On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Mathew Howard via Af  wrote:
>
>  Yeah... having been there a couple of times, I really wouldn't worry
> about it.
>
>  --
> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [
> af@afmug.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 12:50 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
>
>   The closest I've ever been to SLC is either in a plane on the way to
> Vegas or maybe in Steamboat Springs, CO. However, I'd imagine the worst
> thing that could happen to you in SLC is getting preached at by a
> Mormon...  and I'd be okay with that.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
>  *From: *"Eric Kuhnke via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, December 12, 2014 12:47:16 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
>
> Are you seriously asking if Salt Lake City is safe for an adult male to
> walk at night?
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Bruce Robertson via Af 
> wrote:
>
>> One of my transportation options for Animal Farm is to take Amtrak from
>> Reno.  The problem is that it arrives in SLC between 3 and 4 am.  It's only
>> a 15 minute walk from the station to the hotel, but I was wondering how
>> advisable that is at that hour.
>>
>>
>
>

-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths

[That One Guy via Af]

madness we are a little better than the target after fine alignment. at one
point we had the 4' side pinting to the ground abot 100 yards out ant it
still had about a -80 on the bnc readout

On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>
>   Yeah, it was so considerate of AT&T to leave that dish up there when
> they sold off the site, only needed to be re-aimed about 2 degrees to go
> where we wanted.  And they built a platform to stand on while aiming it,
> that was awfully nice of them.  And they left the flexible waveguide down
> to the shelter.  I’d really hate to think about hanging a new 12 ft dish
> ourselves and running waveguide to it.  And it’s an Andrew parabolic, not
> the old WE horns, so we don’t have to worry about water getting into the
> waveguide and freezing.  It doesn’t even look like anyone has been using
> the lightning bolt logo for target practice.  Life is good when someone
> abandons nice stuff you can use.
>
>
>  *From:* Hardy, Tim via Af 
> *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 11:18 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths
>
>
> HPBW for a 12 ft dish at 11.2 GHz is 0.5 degree.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof via Af
> *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 11:17 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths
>
>
>
> Nope, a 4 ft dish in 11 GHz should be pretty narrow, a few degrees and you
> should be into a deep, deep null.  Take a look at the beamwidth or pattern
> for your antenna.  It should be similar to an 8 ft dish in 5.x GHz.
>
>
>
> We once used an existing 12 ft dish for an 11 GHz link and I kept having
> to tell the tower guy he was not going to be able to eyeball it.  The
> beamwidth was something like 1 degree if I remember right.  He ketp getting
> nada for signal until I made him slowly sweep the azimuth.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy via Af 
>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 9:50 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths
>
>
>
> Weve never gone above 2'
>
> we finished installing our 11ghz link yesterday and had the antennas rough
> aligned, one side is 3' one side is 4'. I expected the tighter patterns
> would make it harder to find the initial link but they actually linked up
> right off the bat and it was right on the projected power levels.
>
> This is only 10 miles, so we have visual on the path.
>
> We did a  little rough alignment yesterday, and will do the fine alignment
> today. when we we roughing it there was a good amount of travel on the
> antenna (4') side we were on and only a couple db change. do larger
> antennas on such a short path give you a little more leniency in alignment
> or something? we will do full horizontal and vertical panning today to make
> sure we arent in side lobes, just curious is there is more slop in this
> scenario.
>
>
>
> --
>
> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths

[That One Guy via Af]

these are 1.6 and 1.8 degree

On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:

>   Nope, a 4 ft dish in 11 GHz should be pretty narrow, a few degrees and
> you should be into a deep, deep null.  Take a look at the beamwidth or
> pattern for your antenna.  It should be similar to an 8 ft dish in 5.x GHz.
>
> We once used an existing 12 ft dish for an 11 GHz link and I kept having
> to tell the tower guy he was not going to be able to eyeball it.  The
> beamwidth was something like 1 degree if I remember right.  He ketp getting
> nada for signal until I made him slowly sweep the azimuth.
>
>
>  *From:* That One Guy via Af 
> *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 9:50 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths
>
>  Weve never gone above 2'
> we finished installing our 11ghz link yesterday and had the antennas rough
> aligned, one side is 3' one side is 4'. I expected the tighter patterns
> would make it harder to find the initial link but they actually linked up
> right off the bat and it was right on the projected power levels.
> This is only 10 miles, so we have visual on the path.
> We did a  little rough alignment yesterday, and will do the fine alignment
> today. when we we roughing it there was a good amount of travel on the
> antenna (4') side we were on and only a couple db change. do larger
> antennas on such a short path give you a little more leniency in alignment
> or something? we will do full horizontal and vertical panning today to make
> sure we arent in side lobes, just curious is there is more slop in this
> scenario.
>
> --
>  All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>



-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

[AFMUG] aligning bigger antennas on short paths

[That One Guy via Af]

Weve never gone above 2'
we finished installing our 11ghz link yesterday and had the antennas rough
aligned, one side is 3' one side is 4'. I expected the tighter patterns
would make it harder to find the initial link but they actually linked up
right off the bat and it was right on the projected power levels.
This is only 10 miles, so we have visual on the path.
We did a  little rough alignment yesterday, and will do the fine alignment
today. when we we roughing it there was a good amount of travel on the
antenna (4') side we were on and only a couple db change. do larger
antennas on such a short path give you a little more leniency in alignment
or something? we will do full horizontal and vertical panning today to make
sure we arent in side lobes, just curious is there is more slop in this
scenario.

-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Pirate bay Raided and shut down, may never return.

[That One Guy via Af]

if not piratebay, something else. Its like CIA torture, its always going to
be there no matter what anyone does. The profit will be when someone
figures out how to make it profitable. It would be awesome if it was found
out utorrent had been stealing data cycles all along to mine bitcoins or
something.

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 10:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:

>
> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/12/pirate-bay-cofounder-peter-sunde-says-hes-happy-to-see-site-gone/
>
>
>  *From:* Ryan Ghering via Af 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:34 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pirate bay Raided and shut down, may never return.
>
>  Thats a false site, it was a proxy mirror that used the .se database
> from what I read.
>
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>
>>  I heard it's already back online based out of Costa Rica.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Ryan Ghering via Af" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 10, 2014 8:16:56 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Pirate bay Raided and shut down, may never
>> return.
>>
>>
>> yup, shut down this morning.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Chuck Hogg via Af  wrote:
>>
>>> Again?
>>>
>>>  Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 9:02 PM, Ryan Ghering via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Not sure how to feel about this one..


 http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/195647-the-pirate-bay-raided-shut-down-by-swedish-police-and-it-may-never-return

 --
 Ryan Ghering
 Network Operations - Plains.Net
 Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ryan Ghering
>> Network Operations - Plains.Net
>> Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Ryan Ghering
> Network Operations - Plains.Net
> Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879
>



-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Rick gone

[That One Guy via Af]

The FCC is sending him to Guantanamo Bay for reeducation

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:

> From what I've gathered he just wants a change of daily routine.  Nothing
> points to any health problems and I'm certainly hoping I'm right on that.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Chuck McCown via Af 
> wrote:
>
>> Hope it is Rick going on to better things than some of the alternatives...
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Jeff Broadwick via Af
>> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:08 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rick gone
>>
>>
>> +1!
>>
>> WISPA would not be where it is today without Rick's efforts.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> Senior Account Manager, Convergence Technologies, Inc.
>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>> 312-205-2519 Office
>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson via Af
>> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:56 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Rick gone
>>
>> Hey,
>>
>> Not sure if people saw this already, but Rick Harnish, the executive
>> director of WISPA, announced he is stepping down at the end of January.
>> He didn't give any other information, other than he was thankful for being
>> part of WISPA over the last many years.
>>
>> Rick did many great things for WISPA, and I wish him the best of luck in
>> his
>> next endeavor. When he became the ED for WISPA almost 4 years ago, there
>> were only 200 members. Today there are over 830 members, and the group now
>> has enough money and influence to actually make a difference with the FCC
>> and other government groups.
>>
>> I always enjoyed seeing Rick at the shows, and I know he will be missed.
>> Good luck to you Rick. :)
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] simulating interference

[That One Guy via Af]

dont do it, it will shut off the sun

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Ty Featherling via Af  wrote:

> I'm going to try that. Thanks.
>
> -Ty
>
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:
>
>> If you have a 100 meg ethernet port and your wireless link can hold say
>> 50 megs, you're going to have 50 megs of traffic going across it.
>>
>> I'm not sure if the Ubnt radios would be accessible in this situation but
>> the RF end of things would be totally hammered full.  Just take a 5 port
>> switch, plug the AP/SM into it and plug your laptop into a port.  If you
>> can manage to log into the radios, watch the throughput graphs.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Ty Featherling via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks. That was my gut feeling but I was hoping it would be easier. Do
>>> you really think the bridge loop might work? Are the two radios really
>>> going to send/respond to that many broadcasts?
>>>
>>> -Ty
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Josh Luthman via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 AP simply on without stations is nearly no noise
 AP with an SM associated is a bit more noise, but it's just beacons and
 whatever broadcast traffic
 AP with an SM passing traffic (speed test, real customer traffic, etc)
 will be the best way to introduce noise.

 If you want to go full throttle plug the AP into the SM (so it creates
 a bridge loop)


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Ty Featherling via Af 
 wrote:

> What is the easiest way to simulate noise in a lab environment. I
> would like to play with a couple Rocket AC Lites I have here and see what
> throughput looks like with some noise adjacent to their channel. Can I 
> just
> turn up another AP on the necessary channel or does it need a client
> associated? If so, does their need to be traffic passing to the client?
> Does an AP get "noisier" when talking to more clients or with more
> throughput?
>
> -Ty
>


>>>
>>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] 4K Video Streaming Impact on ISP's

[That One Guy via Af]

sounds like a nice socialist republic over there :-)

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Travis Johnson via Af  wrote:

>  Hi,
>
> My housing community (about 300 houses) uses a community water system.
> It's a flat rate, no meter system. Some people abuse it (running sprinklers
> and hoses continually), while others are probably seldom home and use very
> little. It all averages out over time.
>
> Travis
>
> On 12/10/2014 2:09 PM, Wireless Admin via Af wrote:
>
>  Most everyone here has been in this business long enough to see the
> pattern of bandwidth consumption.  It seems obvious to me that consumers as
> well as product developers can easily consume as much internet as you can
> provide.  Why not? As long as developers can make money and consumers are
> having fun this cycle will continue forever.  Introduce a cost factor and
> the process will regulate it’s self.  Imagine a municipal water system with
> no usage fee.  Developers would create, among other things, hydroelectric
> generators for your faucet.  Attach these devices, turn the water on full
> blast, and power you’re appliances at the water utilities expense. Water
> consumption would go thru the roof and you could fire the power company.
> How is that different than having your ISP deliver Video content so you can
> fire your Cable or Satellite Company.
>
>
>
> Steve B.
>
>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

[AFMUG] SAF Lumina Rx Spectrum

[That One Guy via Af]

This doesnt seem to be listed in the manual, Im assuming it is a spectrum
analyzer?
Im concerned if this is the current spectrum (we havent even put up the
other side yet)
This is 11ghz on the low side, the TX channel on the high side is 11405H,
there is an 11ghz dragonwave link in a parallel path, I assume is on
vertical polarization since we had to go horizontal
 or projected rx is only -43 if the floor is -50 that could be problematic


​


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming 4K now.

[That One Guy via Af]

dmca if you download it, but everything out there is streamable, with the
exception of atlas shrugged iii i havent found anything not streaming in
decent quality

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:

> All I know is whatever these companies are doing is definitely working.  I
> can't find a single movie to pirate online.  Definitely can't find mp4
> videos of Bluray rips that are a roughly 2 GBs and work with my
> Chromecast/Xbox/TV.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Chuck Hogg via Af  wrote:
>
>> Some variation of FRAPS if I remember correctly..
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Chris Wright via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It isn’t. I fondly recall the first pirated blu-ray discs (before the
>>> encryption keys were leaked) were copied by script kiddies who had the
>>> playback computer pause and print-screen the video frame-by-frame.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Wright
>>>
>>> Velociter Wireless 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke via
>>> Af
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:35 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon
>>> streaming 4K now.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've always thought that all this hype of digital encryption and copy
>>> protection was a little lacking.  Ultimately it's still an analog medium
>>> (you viewing the picture) so it could always be 'copied' at that level.
>>> Interpret the signal passed to the actual LCD Panel, "Pixel 1342x975
>>> displaying color E0 at timestamp 58:44:13.221"  Maybe I'm naive, but it
>>> doesn't seem like it should be that hard.
>>>
>>> On 12/9/2014 10:18 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd think if someone could figure out a way to get the movies from RAM,
>>> they could also figure out a way to capture them from a stream.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Travis Johnson via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Because then people could "save" the movies in RAM, and someone would
>>> figure out a way to be able to download them and put them on the Internet
>>> for free.
>>>
>>> It's a licensing issue... that's why "streaming" is OK.
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>> On 12/9/2014 7:00 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
>>>
>>> That 187MB translates to only about 11.25 GB per hour.  Why not stick in
>>> a 32GB memory and be done?  That would be almost 3 hours of buffer.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> bp
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/9/2014 4:50 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:
>>>
>>> It's really too bad that the devices that support all these streaming
>>> services can't have a larger buffer. I'm sure it's part of their licensing
>>> deals, but if they could buffer 60 seconds of stream (at any quality), they
>>> would have much fewer support calls for streaming issues, etc.
>>>
>>> Using Netflix's 25Mbps for 4k, that works out to 187.5MB of storage
>>> space. At current RAM prices, you can buy a 256MB module for $15 full
>>> retail... so places like Samsung can probably buy them in quantity for less
>>> than $2. Seems like it would be worth it to pay an extra $10 for a
>>> TV/DVD/PS4/Wii-U device that could handle 60 seconds of video.
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>> On 12/9/2014 5:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote:
>>>
>>> That’s pretty cool.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You can do 4k direct from Youtube.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Several of the ones I’ve tested are sustained around 20-30Mbps.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But on my network it tends to burst to 90Mbps then sit around for a
>>> while, then burst back to 90Mbps.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think the 4k will require a lot of optimizations before it works on
>>> the built in TV’s.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson via Af
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2014 5:12 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon
>>> streaming 4K now.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lovely
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Ryan Ghering via Af
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:38 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming
>>> 4K now.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-starts-4k-uhd-streams/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Ryan Ghering
>>> Network Operations - Plains.Net
>>> Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming 4Know.

[That One Guy via Af]

This is going to make for an ugly christmas season.
If we had customer service who was firm it wouldnt be an issue "we dont
offer that speed currently"
but instead, the customers on 900 will be the ones who get the tv, and the
subscription and call in, and CS will keep saying, well isnt there anything
we can do for this guy in the middle of the forrest with the 300 foot cable
run? and Ill have to go home and punch one of my children, probably the
boy, Im kind of afraid of the girl.


On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:

>   A quick Google search comes up with Audials and Playlater.  It does not
> appear to be rocket science.
>
>  *From:* Jason McKemie via Af 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:18 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon
> streaming 4Know.
>
>  I'd think if someone could figure out a way to get the movies from RAM,
> they could also figure out a way to capture them from a stream.
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Travis Johnson via Af 
> wrote:
>
>> Because then people could "save" the movies in RAM, and someone would
>> figure out a way to be able to download them and put them on the Internet
>> for free.
>>
>> It's a licensing issue... that's why "streaming" is OK.
>>
>> Travis
>>
>> On 12/9/2014 7:00 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
>>
>> That 187MB translates to only about 11.25 GB per hour.  Why not stick in
>> a 32GB memory and be done?  That would be almost 3 hours of buffer.
>>
>> --
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 12/9/2014 4:50 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:
>>
>> It's really too bad that the devices that support all these streaming
>> services can't have a larger buffer. I'm sure it's part of their licensing
>> deals, but if they could buffer 60 seconds of stream (at any quality), they
>> would have much fewer support calls for streaming issues, etc.
>>
>> Using Netflix's 25Mbps for 4k, that works out to 187.5MB of storage
>> space. At current RAM prices, you can buy a 256MB module for $15 full
>> retail... so places like Samsung can probably buy them in quantity for less
>> than $2. Seems like it would be worth it to pay an extra $10 for a
>> TV/DVD/PS4/Wii-U device that could handle 60 seconds of video.
>>
>> Travis
>>
>> On 12/9/2014 5:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote:
>>
>>  That’s pretty cool.
>>
>>
>>
>> You can do 4k direct from Youtube.
>>
>>
>>
>> Several of the ones I’ve tested are sustained around 20-30Mbps.
>>
>>
>>
>> But on my network it tends to burst to 90Mbps then sit around for a
>> while, then burst back to 90Mbps.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think the 4k will require a lot of optimizations before it works on the
>> built in TV’s.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson via Af
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2014 5:12 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon
>> streaming 4K now.
>>
>>
>>
>> Lovely
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Ryan Ghering via Af
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:38 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming
>> 4K now.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-starts-4k-uhd-streams/
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Ryan Ghering
>> Network Operations - Plains.Net
>> Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>



-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Portable power rig

[That One Guy via Af]

we have IP aliases on the WAN side for all the different radio systems with
the interface still set to DHCP, this way we only need one ESSID and DHCP
Pool on the inside. the techs can plug the radio into it to manage the
radio until its provisioned, then still access it via the pop router after
its been provisioned

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Vlad Sedov via Af  wrote:

> This is the product of boredom, some dremel bits, and a large collection
> of old power tools..
>
> The switch controls DC polarity, so UBNT and Cambium radios can be powered
> from the same jack.
> The router is set up with several SSIDs, and each one has its own DHCP
> pool. That way, you can attach to the proper SSID with your mobile device,
> and it will put you on the same subnet as the radio. Yet another SSID is
> used basically as a home wifi router, so if the radio is moved to the WAN
> port, the rig can be used to get online.
> This is a very crude prototype, but it works great, and battery lasts a
> very long time. Going to migrate it all into a belt pouch.
> Being able to charge battery packs on their original charging dock is also
> pretty handy.
>
>
> peace
>
> Vlad
>
>
> ---
> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus
> protection is active.
> http://www.avast.com
>



-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] blocking tcp/ephemeral to tcp/ephemeral ... bad?

[That One Guy via Af]

I have done that in the past when all else has failed, no calls

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:

> What would be the downside of using a firewall rule to block TCP traffic
> where BOTH source and destination port are 1024-65535 or maybe 2-65535?
> Talking about an ordinary subscriber.
>
> I have a customer with lots of such traffic and not much success convincing
> him it's probably bad.  If I block the port that gets opened up at his end,
> it stops for maybe 2 hours and then it just opens a different port.  If I
> block the remote IP addresses, they just change.
>
> The traffic is exactly symmetric, the in and out graphs are so identical
> you
> can't distinguish the 2 colors of lines they are on top of each other,
> except maybe around 8am and 8pm there is some genuine download traffic
> probably when he is home.  It's not steady streaming, it jumps all around,
> with no time-of-day pattern, but it goes as high as 5M x 5M which IMHO is a
> lot of bandwidth for something I assume should not be happening.  The
> traffic seems to come from hosted servers mainly in Germany, and then go
> back out to an AWS Cloudfront CDN address.
>
> So far blocking TCP traffic where both source and destination ports are
> 20,000-65,535 seems to stop it dead in its tracks, we'll see if it figures
> out to go below 20,000.  VoIP could be 10,000-20,000 but should be UDP, I
> think maybe Facetime is 5000 but again UDP, so if necessary I can extend it
> lower.
>
> Just wondering what legitimate traffic I might be interfering with.  I know
> there are applications that use high numbered ports, like routers managed
> on
> tcp/8080, also passive FTP and stuff like that.
>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm List weirdness/requests

[That One Guy via Af]

youre the man on that #1 thing, its been driving me batty

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:

> Ye!
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Sean Heskett via Af  wrote:
>
>> aaah THANK YOU JOSH!  i owe you a beer at AF ;-)
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:
>>
>>> In regards to 1 go here and disable sending yourself your own messages
>>>
>>> http://afmug.com/mailman/options/af
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 5:13 PM, Mike Hammett via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I haven't noticed #1.

 PDMNet was going to fix #2 back in September, but things came up.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *"Sean Heskett via Af" 
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, December 8, 2014 4:12:18 PM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] Animal Farm List weirdness/requests


 Hello,

 Whomever is now the list manager I have two requests (gripes)

 1.  for some reason when i send a message it shows up in the
 conversation thread twice (i'm using Gmail) I'm not sure if everyone else
 sees it twice or just me.  i only get one message from other users (which
 is the expected behavior).

 2.  It only shows the name of the person who sent the message and
 strips out their email.  Is there any way we can add this back in.  It's
 really frustrating when a cambium or UBNT employee will post a reply and i
 don't immediately recognize that this is a response from the manufacturer.
  even if it stripped the email but put back in "user at domain dot com"
 instead of "u...@domain.com" if the reason from it's removal was to
 prevent spam etc.

 2a. For the manufacturers, would y'all mind adding a signature file
 until this is fixed so we know it's an "official" response???

 thanks for listening,

 Sean



>>>
>>
>


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All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup

[That One Guy via Af]

Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

[That One Guy via Af]

Hes cool too, but Im talking about Edward Flynn

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:19 AM, James Howard via Af  wrote:

> I’m guessing you’re thinking of the Milwaukee County Sheriff, David
> Clarke.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via
> Af
> *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 11:13 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available
>
>
>
> Milwaukee has a cool police chief
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Keefe John via Af  wrote:
>
> Ethoplex, a Milwaukee-based fixed-wireless operator serving the
> enterprise, education, healthcare, and carrier markets, is seeking
> candidates to fill the following positions:
>
> - Installation / Tower Technician
> - Network Engineer
> - Network Operations Manager
>
> Interested candidates can email resumes to j...@ethoplex.com.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
> --
>
> *Total Control Panel*
>
> Login <https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net>
>
> To: ja...@litewire.net
> <https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net>
>
> From:
> 014a1b71080f-59d9519f-185a-4eda-a739-cdeac9f7c87c-000...@amazonses.com
> <https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=2891652547&domain=litewire.net>
>
> Remove
> <https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2&un-wl-sender-domain=1&rID=242260993&aID=2891652547&domain=litewire.net>
> amazonses.com from my allow list
>
> *You received this message because the domain amazonses.com
> <http://amazonses.com> is on your allow list.*
>
>
>



-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

[That One Guy via Af]

Milwaukee has a cool police chief

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Keefe John via Af  wrote:

> Ethoplex, a Milwaukee-based fixed-wireless operator serving the
> enterprise, education, healthcare, and carrier markets, is seeking
> candidates to fill the following positions:
>
> - Installation / Tower Technician
> - Network Engineer
> - Network Operations Manager
>
> Interested candidates can email resumes to j...@ethoplex.com.
>



-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup

[That One Guy via Af]

Jarrod the man from Moonblink just got me the info, thanks tim and josh.

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

> I have not seen her post any cat videos, but maybe she has aliases I don't
> know of.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Josh Luthman via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, December 5, 2014 10:46:22 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup
>
> It's my go to frequency coordinator.  There are others like Comsearch
> (Tim).
>
> http://www.intelpath.com/
>
> As far as I know she doesn't do any cat videos.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:44 AM, That One Guy via Af  wrote:
>
>> What do you mean? I assume the vendor we paid to do the FCC process
>> handled that based on what the FCC says, we had to do a different polarity
>> because there is another 11ghz link in a similar path. What does this liz
>> lady do, is she the one who puts up all the cat videos on the internet? Im
>> always suspicious of women named liz.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Josh Luthman via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Who is responsible for figuring out your frequencies?  While a vendor
>>> can do it, I'd suggest calling Liz @ IntelPath.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:35 AM, That One Guy via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know the vendor sent me documentation on cabling/grounding, but I
>>>> cant find it anywhere. We are using the SAF POE injector/splitter. Both
>>>> components have surge suppression, but we also have an ALPU surge
>>>> suppressor and a DC surge suppressor, Im not sure where in the mix these
>>>> go, top/bottom etc.
>>>>
>>>> We did the expedited FCC approval, but dont have a PCN, does that come
>>>> directly to us or to the vendor that did it and is relayed to us. I dont
>>>> recall providing our FRN, so where will this license be applied? Is there a
>>>> way to get it into our FRN portal (the one for managing the 3.65 stuff) or
>>>> is that a separate type of license?
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Josh Luthman via Af 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 35 miles since we're in 'merica.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Hardy, Tim via Af 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Also, make sure that FCC Applications have been filed before
>>>>>> turning these on in the field (even for alignment or testing).  The PCN
>>>>>> does not provide authorization to transmit, but you can operate under
>>>>>> Conditional Authority as long as the FCC Applications have been accepted
>>>>>> for filing at the FCC, the applications did not request a waiver, you are
>>>>>> not located in a quiet zone, and you are not located within 56.3 
>>>>>> kilometers
>>>>>> of an international border.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew
>>>>>> Howard via Af
>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 11:07 AM
>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, you are going to want to have the PCN in hand for configuring to
>>>>>> make sure you get frequencies on the right side, TX power, polarity and 
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> that right... I would think it would be pretty safe to assume you're
>>>>>> licensed for full power since you had to go with 4' dishes, but I'd still
>>>>>> want to check what the PCN says.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't rem

Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup

[That One Guy via Af]

What do you mean? I assume the vendor we paid to do the FCC process handled
that based on what the FCC says, we had to do a different polarity because
there is another 11ghz link in a similar path. What does this liz lady do,
is she the one who puts up all the cat videos on the internet? Im always
suspicious of women named liz.

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:

> Who is responsible for figuring out your frequencies?  While a vendor can
> do it, I'd suggest calling Liz @ IntelPath.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:35 AM, That One Guy via Af  wrote:
>
>> I know the vendor sent me documentation on cabling/grounding, but I cant
>> find it anywhere. We are using the SAF POE injector/splitter. Both
>> components have surge suppression, but we also have an ALPU surge
>> suppressor and a DC surge suppressor, Im not sure where in the mix these
>> go, top/bottom etc.
>>
>> We did the expedited FCC approval, but dont have a PCN, does that come
>> directly to us or to the vendor that did it and is relayed to us. I dont
>> recall providing our FRN, so where will this license be applied? Is there a
>> way to get it into our FRN portal (the one for managing the 3.65 stuff) or
>> is that a separate type of license?
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Josh Luthman via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 35 miles since we're in 'merica.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Hardy, Tim via Af  wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Also, make sure that FCC Applications have been filed before turning
>>>> these on in the field (even for alignment or testing).  The PCN does not
>>>> provide authorization to transmit, but you can operate under Conditional
>>>> Authority as long as the FCC Applications have been accepted for filing at
>>>> the FCC, the applications did not request a waiver, you are not located in
>>>> a quiet zone, and you are not located within 56.3 kilometers of an
>>>> international border.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>>>> via Af
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 11:07 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, you are going to want to have the PCN in hand for configuring to
>>>> make sure you get frequencies on the right side, TX power, polarity and all
>>>> that right... I would think it would be pretty safe to assume you're
>>>> licensed for full power since you had to go with 4' dishes, but I'd still
>>>> want to check what the PCN says.
>>>>
>>>> I don't remember running into any particular problems setting ours up,
>>>> but it's been a few years.
>>>>
>>>> I do not recommend strapping the dish to your back to carry it up the
>>>> tower...
>>>>   --
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jeremy via Af [
>>>> af@afmug.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 10:01 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup
>>>>
>>>> Also, all of the details, including transmit power, should be on the
>>>> PCN.  You should have the PCN in hand.  If you don't I would print it out.
>>>> You should also have a path analysis with expected signal strengths, and
>>>> those come in really handy when you are aligning.  If you are not where the
>>>> path calc says that you should be then you could be on a side lobe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I haven't used SAF before but I generally set the radios across the
>>>> room from each other (with no dish) to test the link.  They will link up
>>>> without being next to each other.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:42 AM, That One Guy via Af 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We havent used SAF or done licensed before
>>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup

[That One Guy via Af]

I know the vendor sent me documentation on cabling/grounding, but I cant
find it anywhere. We are using the SAF POE injector/splitter. Both
components have surge suppression, but we also have an ALPU surge
suppressor and a DC surge suppressor, Im not sure where in the mix these
go, top/bottom etc.

We did the expedited FCC approval, but dont have a PCN, does that come
directly to us or to the vendor that did it and is relayed to us. I dont
recall providing our FRN, so where will this license be applied? Is there a
way to get it into our FRN portal (the one for managing the 3.65 stuff) or
is that a separate type of license?

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:

> 35 miles since we're in 'merica.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Hardy, Tim via Af  wrote:
>
>>  Also, make sure that FCC Applications have been filed before turning
>> these on in the field (even for alignment or testing).  The PCN does not
>> provide authorization to transmit, but you can operate under Conditional
>> Authority as long as the FCC Applications have been accepted for filing at
>> the FCC, the applications did not request a waiver, you are not located in
>> a quiet zone, and you are not located within 56.3 kilometers of an
>> international border.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> via Af
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 11:07 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, you are going to want to have the PCN in hand for configuring to
>> make sure you get frequencies on the right side, TX power, polarity and all
>> that right... I would think it would be pretty safe to assume you're
>> licensed for full power since you had to go with 4' dishes, but I'd still
>> want to check what the PCN says.
>>
>> I don't remember running into any particular problems setting ours up,
>> but it's been a few years.
>>
>> I do not recommend strapping the dish to your back to carry it up the
>> tower...
>>   --
>>
>> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jeremy via Af [
>> af@afmug.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 10:01 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup
>>
>> Also, all of the details, including transmit power, should be on the
>> PCN.  You should have the PCN in hand.  If you don't I would print it out.
>> You should also have a path analysis with expected signal strengths, and
>> those come in really handy when you are aligning.  If you are not where the
>> path calc says that you should be then you could be on a side lobe
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>
>> I haven't used SAF before but I generally set the radios across the room
>> from each other (with no dish) to test the link.  They will link up without
>> being next to each other.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:42 AM, That One Guy via Af  wrote:
>>
>> We havent used SAF or done licensed before
>>
>>
>>
>> Im getting ready to bench configure this link, are there any caveats to
>> it?
>>
>>  As I understand it from the manual, these ship with transmit turned off,
>> so powering them up wont hurt anything, I just set them side by side with
>> the flanges facing upward and turn the power on to the minimum tx power,
>> this wont hurt them to be transmitting with no antenna load attached? If I
>> leave them on for an extended timeframe will it harm them in this fashion?
>>
>>
>>
>> Im assuming the license gives use permission to install these at maximum
>> radio power? we dont have anything in hand from FCC so I dont know, all I
>> know is we have approval on the link.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any gotchas to setting these up or installing them, beyond figuring out
>> how to get a 4 foot antenna to the top of the grain elevator without
>> denting it
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
>> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
>> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
>> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

[AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup

[That One Guy via Af]

We havent used SAF or done licensed before

Im getting ready to bench configure this link, are there any caveats to it?
 As I understand it from the manual, these ship with transmit turned off,
so powering them up wont hurt anything, I just set them side by side with
the flanges facing upward and turn the power on to the minimum tx power,
this wont hurt them to be transmitting with no antenna load attached? If I
leave them on for an extended timeframe will it harm them in this fashion?

Im assuming the license gives use permission to install these at maximum
radio power? we dont have anything in hand from FCC so I dont know, all I
know is we have approval on the link.

Any gotchas to setting these up or installing them, beyond figuring out how
to get a 4 foot antenna to the top of the grain elevator without denting it

-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] DNS resolution for www.eftps.gov

[That One Guy via Af]

it works here

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Paul Conlin via Af  wrote:

> Why would they block only that one domain?
>
>
>
> PC
>
> Blaze Broadband
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Andy Trimmell via
> Af
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 3, 2014 2:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DNS resolution for www.eftps.gov
>
>
>
> Google has been blocking DNS if you use it too often because of DDOS
> attacks. They can block your resolution for 24 hours in some cases. Don't
> use it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett via Af
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 03, 2014 2:28 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DNS resolution for www.eftps.gov
>
>
>
> Yet another reason to not use Google's DNS. It's unreliable.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Paul Conlin via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 3, 2014 1:21:46 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] DNS resolution for www.eftps.gov
>
> Anyone having trouble resolving www.eftps.gov to 204.194.124.19.  Google
> DNS 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 doesn’t list it.  Has the Government stopped
> collecting taxes?  OpenDNS and others do resolve so keep sending your
> money.  Maybe this is Google protesting something?
>
>
>
> PC
>
> Blaze Broadband
>
>
>
>
>



-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Cold weather gloves

[That One Guy via Af]

Hunting mittens with the flip up finger covers are nice, you can keep your
finger tips warm until you need to do fine work

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:

> Jay,
>
> We use Mechanix gloves at 20-40 degrees.  Have been for the last couple of
> weeks.  I wear a large.
> http://www.amazon.com/Mechanix-Wear-MG-05-010-Original-Glove/dp/B0001VNZQY
>
> I've found that these give you the most dexterity out of all other gloves.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af 
> wrote:
>
>> Tundra line by Ironclad gloves
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> On Dec 2, 2014 8:12 PM, "Jay Weekley via Af"  wrote:
>>
>>> Now that we're approaching Winter in the great white North Alabama and
>>> Christmas is near I need some good cold weather gloves. Normally, the
>>> coldest we work in is the 20's (Fahrenheit) and I really would like to find
>>> something that allows me to work with small tools with reasonable dexterity
>>> but keep my hands warm. Any suggestions? Am I being unrealistic?
>>>
>>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] OPEN SLOT TODAY on ISPRADIO

[That One Guy via Af]

maybe get a UBNT rep and a Cambium rep to do a debate, I will stir the
pot... I mean moderate it for you

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:

>   But... You NEED surge suppressors...
>
>  *From:* Ty Featherling via Af 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 03, 2014 9:04 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OPEN SLOT TODAY on ISPRADIO
>
>  You're right I'm sure. After Black Friday this year I am a little put
> off by blind consumerism. The plain idea of "I need more things" is
> off-putting to me. It'll pass.
>
> -Ty
>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Gino Villarini via Af 
> wrote:
>
>>   Why?
>>
>> Let the girls be girls and have all the shoes they want… as long as you
>> can have how many x you what
>>
>> In my case, I have a wall of lego star wars.. 5 drones, 5 cars … so you
>> get the point
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>
>>
>> From: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 at 11:49 AM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OPEN SLOT TODAY on ISPRADIO
>>
>>  Oh wow. That commercial is depressing.
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:
>>
>>> (the periwinkle reference)
>>>
>>> http://www.ispot.tv/ad/7rk6/justfab-com-buy-1-get-1-free-
>>> they-arent-just-shoes
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown via Af
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 8:43 AM
>>>
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OPEN SLOT TODAY on ISPRADIO
>>>
>>> You need periwinkle...
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen via Af
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 8:41 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OPEN SLOT TODAY on ISPRADIO
>>>
>>> On 12/3/14, 7:39 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
>>>
 Have someone from Ubiquiti on to explain why in God's name they thought
 a cloud platform is what people wanted.

>>>
>>>
>>> CLOUD: because you will want it.
>>>
>>> ~Seth
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>



-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] OPEN SLOT TODAY on ISPRADIO

[That One Guy via Af]

I can come on and complain about things

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Dennis Burgess via Af  wrote:

> Well we had our guest today back out at the last min, so looking for
> anyone that would be interested in chatting, talking about industry,
> whatever topics!  Shoot me a e-mail off-list if interested, we do the show
> via skype at 11am CST!  Most of the time you will have around 40-50 min to
> talk and discuss . . send me a e-mail on the topic you want to talk about
> and if you are free!
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> [image: DennisBurgessSignature]
>
> www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>



-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking

[That One Guy via Af]

If they want free I point them to security essentials, all the free
products are worthless, security essentials is the lightest, so malwayre
has less probability of taking advantage of taxed processor/cpu ala
anything norton.
malwarebytes seems to be the best at catching things
if they want paid AV its always kasperky though it causes notable slowness
on the interwebs, since it actually scans stuff

Geek squad is actually a great solution, send them there, then you dont
have to worry about it since their computer no longer works, better than
telling them to unplug the power cord

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

> I haven't decided to integrate my idea with SPAM prevention, but I've been
> thinking about it.  ;-)  I'll get the other stuff working first.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:24:59 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking
>
> I've had a similar discussion with customers who manually block the email
> address of everyone who sends them spam.  So they have a blacklist of
> thousands of random fictitious email addresses that sound like the real
> names of Batman villains.  They feel good blocking the spammers, so I've
> given up trying to talk them out of it.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mike Hammett via Af
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:36 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking
>
> I can't force the abuse contact to do anything.
>
> If you don't try something, you're just as complicit.
>
> Fail2Ban with custom rules and actions is what I'm working on.
>
> Just because it is a dynamic pool doesn't mean people don't perpetually
> have
> the same IP.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Ken Hohhof via Af 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 09:27:58 -0600 (CST)
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking
>
> Just when you put all that effort into it, and talk about throwing
> violators
> into a BGP blackhole, and forcing abuse contacts to take action, it seemed
> inconsistent with the reality. Plus the fact that a lot of those will be
> dynamic pool addresses. If you’re talking about something like Fail2ban
> and
> blocking SSH for 60 minutes, that makes sense. SSH and RDP dictionary
> attacks are a big problem, as are DNS amplification attacks. But rarely
> does
> the source IP actually identify who is behind the attack, just one of
> millions of bots. It seems a futile exercise to block them one IP address
> at
> a time.
>
>
> From: Mike Hammett via Af
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:10 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking
>
> Yes and I stated so in that e-mail.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> From: "Ken Hohhof via Af" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 8:46:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking
>
>
> You do understand most of those IPs will be infected computers with a bot
> doing the scanning, not a bad guy sitting at his own computer, right?
>
> As far as customers, we tell them they need to at a minimum have Microsoft
> Security Essentials or the free version of a commercial AV. If they ask
> for
> a recommendation of a commercial AV product, we tell them we use ESET.
> Nothing will protect someone who engages in risky online activity or
> clicks
> before thinking. Those people need a good local computer shop (not Geek
> Squad) to rescue their computer and data and to install security software.
> And amazingly, I still need to tell people that securing their WiFi is not
> optional, and 1234 is not an acceptable email password.
>
>
> From: Mike Hammett via Af
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 8:39 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking
>
> No bursting anywhere for anything.
>
> Currently I firewall all IPs that touch my honey pot IPs or attempt SSH at
> my edge. No need to have any of them on my network. I'm implementing a
> method to bring all servers, routers, switches, etc. back to a central
> syslog where I run my analysis there. That will then capture the more
> distributed scansattacks. Other than a whitelist, violators will be thrown
> into a BGP blackhole. It'll also fire off an e-mail to the RIR registered
> abuse contact. If you're doing any sort of trickery or trickeration
> (intentional via script kiddieworse or unintentional via malware), I don't
> want simple scans escalating into something more complex and possibly more
> damaging. You do the simple stuff, into the blackhole you go. I do
> understand that the abuse contact on the other side isn't likely to do
> much,
> but 

Re: [AFMUG] support call logging

[That One Guy via Af]

Voicemails go to the ticket system to create a ticket. answered calls get a
new ticket or appended to an existing ticket. It would be a disaster if
every inbound call generated a ticket.

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 7:15 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

> If your phone is like mine, there are far more calls from salesman and
> other "undesirables" than people wanting to give you money or people that
> already give you money.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 11:13:06 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] support call logging
>
> I'm wondering if anyone has ever tried this, or has it working, before I
> waste my time. I'm talking about automatically opening a ticket for all
> inbound calls. Say something like osTicket and a SIP client registered
> to the PBX listening for incoming calls.
>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today

[That One Guy via Af]

Chucl is going to decide to change his oil, WB will end up with a line of
filters

On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Jay Weekley via Af  wrote:

> Whoops. Looks like I left out an "it". I'm distracting myself from a nerve
> wracking Alabama/Auburn game.
>
> Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>
>> It took me a minute to realize when you said you dumped in the woods, you
>> were referring to oil.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley via Af
>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 9:17 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today
>>
>> When I was a kid we just dumped in woods behind the house but someone
>> decided that was environmentally unfriendly.
>>
>>
>> Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The biggest problem with home oil changes is getting rid of the oil.  I
>>> used to do it but every time I would go to Auto Zone, Checker, etc…  Their
>>> oil drum was always full.  I finally gave up and just get the free car wash
>>> when I do it.
>>>
>>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via Af
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 6:09 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today
>>>
>>> http://www.fumotousa.com/about-fumoto-valves.php
>>>
>>> On Nov 29, 2014 5:01 PM, "Josh Luthman via Af" >> af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> You do the plug first...
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Nov 29, 2014 7:52 PM, "Ken Hohhof via Af" >> af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> So on the Subaru engine the oil filter sticks straight up.  Does that
>>> make it incredibly easy to change or incredibly messy?
>>>
>>> *From:*Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af 
>>>
>>> *Sent:*Saturday, November 29, 2014 5:48 PM
>>>
>>> *To:*af 
>>>
>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today
>>>
>>> About the only place I'll have change the oil anymore is when I take the
>>> car in for the major service interval at the dealer. They carry the oil I
>>> use and I figure a genuine Subaru oil filter isn't any worse than the
>>> M1-108's I use normally.
>>>
>>> Other than that, it gets changed at home anymore. I've discovered that
>>> throwing a pan under the car and pulling the oil/plug filter takes so
>>> little time that it's actually faster for me to do it.   I generally will
>>> do it before a trip out of town and will pull the oil filter/plug and then
>>> clean/vaccum the car out while the oil is draining.   Once I'm done
>>> vaccumming, I put everything back together and refill the car with an
>>> appropriate amount of oil.  Takes me less time than waiting at an instant
>>> lube place, and then I know what oil/filter is actually in/on the engine.
>>>
>>> Sadly, I haven't found anything fun drawn on my car's oil filter when it
>>> comes from the dealer.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Rory Conaway via Af >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> We bring Mobil 1 oil filters in when we have the local oil change place
>>> change the oil.  Last oil change, neither my car or the work van had them
>>> on their when I looked about 3000 miles after the change.  After some
>>> heated discussions concerning the theft of my oil filters and shenanigans
>>> that might require a review of whether they are really using Mobil1 1 oil,
>>> they changed both vehicles while I watched them open new bottles of oil in
>>> front of me.  Fortunately this was the first time I used them, and the last
>>> time.
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ]
>>> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via Af
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 12:27 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today
>>>
>>> A local guy went out to change his oil today.  Found a penis drawn on
>>> his oil filter.  That filter had been installed by Jiffy Lube.
>>>
>>> Same company that billed us for an oil change a few  years ago (fleet
>>> account) for a car that my business partner’s step daughter crashed and
>>> totaled a year before.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] IP Management

[That One Guy via Af]

racktables is relaly cool, though i question long term support.
We have one of our contract customers that hired a full time IT guy, we
sent him a racktables VM, this is a multis site customer, with multiple
racks mixing POE VLAN multiple providers. One huge problem was we never go
to the out of state sites, documentation on ports was always lacking and
site disasters always ended up with stuff where it belonged, this should
help to resolve that

But for simple subnet management and documentation there is zero easy
product out there, everything is full IPAM or Excel.

Ive been looking for something other than a spreadsheet to keep tract of
the subnets, and where I put them, whats available next. PITA to say the
least. Other than a spreadsheed, theres not much that scales down to just
the subnets divisions, if you dont care about the hosts. and every one of
them results an a sales call within 5 minites of submission if you put your
real info. Its like, seriously motherfu%%er, I just downloaded it, do you
think I have it installed and tested yet enough to tell the boss to cut you
a 10k check?

On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 10:44 PM, David Milholen via Af 
wrote:

>  Ken,
>  We used to do that up until a few years ago and we have moved on LOL
> I have had so many spread sheets that have since moved into automation of
> today and now the cloud(still a mystery) LOL
> Easy to do get a "LAMP" stack server and roll with it.
>
> On 11/29/2014 9:26 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>
>  I use IP management software called “Excel”.  It is not free, but I hear
> of alternatives called “Open Office” and “Google Docs”.
>
>
>  *From:* Mike Hammett via Af 
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 9:02 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP Management
>
>  All of the above.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof via Af"  
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, November 29, 2014 8:59:15 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IP Management
>
> How much public IP space do you guys have?  Seems kind of like a first
> world
> problem, if you know what I mean.
>
> Or are you talking about managing private IP space in a large enterprise
> network?  That can be a mess, but you mentioned ARIN, so I assumed you
> meant
> public addresses.  Or maybe you are worried about IPv6 space where
> lightbulbs get their own addresses?  Oh crap, do we have to SWIP all the
> addresses we assign to the Internet of Things?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Butch Evans via Af
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 8:44 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP Management
>
> On 11/29/2014 07:06 PM, Josh Baird via Af wrote:
> > 6Connect is good.  Men & Mice is also good (but doesn't SWIP or do
> > ARIN).  Solarwinds also has an IPAM offering.
> >
> > There really isn't a good -free- solution that I know of (especially one
> > that hasn't turned to vaporware).  Many people will suggest IPPlan, but
> > I hated it (although it can be easily customized and/or modified if you
> > have any PHP clue).
>
>
> I wasn't impressed with IPPlan, either.  HaCi is another free option
> that may do what you want.  I haven't looked at it recently, so I can't
> even recall all the features of it at the moment.
>
>
> --
> Butch Evans
> 702-537-0979
> Network Support and Engineering
> http://store.wispgear.net/
> http://www.butchevans.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>



-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] OT Grow Room

[That One Guy via Af]

the first thing you want to do chuck, is bypass you electrical meter
now, you need to go to the gun store and get multiple semiautomatic weapons
go to the animal shelter and get 3-5 pit bulls
do not shave
probably bet to purchase alot of flipflops and boxer shorts you will wear
as actual shorts
its up to you which tatoos to get, but there needs to be at least two
grammatical errors and three misspellings
break out your front left top tooth
a mullet is fully in order


but seriously, I never had hydro, but lightwise i always did 12/12. with
lights



On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af  wrote:

> Believe me. Tommy Chong will smoke it
>
> Jaime Solorza
> On Nov 29, 2014 10:18 AM, "Chuck McCown via Af"  wrote:
>
>>   Got my turbo cloner yesterday.  Almost zero instructions.
>> Do you just let these things spray 2/7?  Do you cycle the lights?
>>
>> I figured there had to be at least one hydroponic person here...
>>
>> (Don’t get excited, that Mormon guy is attempting to clone spruce
>> trees...)
>>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] How the Internet works

[That One Guy via Af]

The rest were demographics

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:

>   Am I understanding you correctly, that was the only question they cared
> about, the others were just filler to disguise what they were after?
>
>
>  *From:* That One Guy via Af 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:31 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] How the Internet works
>
>  that quiz had one single intended question, and it was the net
> neutrality one, social engineering at its finest
>
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Nate Burke via Af  wrote:
>
>> I see this with the highschool kids, they know how to work all the
>> technology, but have no idea how the technology works
>>
>> http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20141125/business/141129044/
>>
>> The quiz is fun though
>> www.pewinternet.org/quiz/web-iq-quiz/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>  All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>



-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] How the Internet works

[That One Guy via Af]

that quiz had one single intended question, and it was the net neutrality
one, social engineering at its finest

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Nate Burke via Af  wrote:

> I see this with the highschool kids, they know how to work all the
> technology, but have no idea how the technology works
>
> http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20141125/business/141129044/
>
> The quiz is fun though
> www.pewinternet.org/quiz/web-iq-quiz/
>
>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

[That One Guy via Af]

thats supposedly the first day of the year a business will be in the black,
at least thats what I was told.

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 10:54 AM, James Howard via Af  wrote:

> It hasn’t been that many years since there were basically mobs at Walmart
> and other stores when they opened for “Black Friday”.  Does anyone know
> what the actual history of the name is?  I always thought it was a
> reference to the stores trying to increase sales enough to “get in the
> black” financially for the year.  Is it really a reference to the almost
> mob atmosphere that has occurred over the years?  If so, that is racist.
> Of course just because something is racist doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via
> Af
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:40 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an
> hour
>
>
>
> Black Friday... now that is just racist!
>
>
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard via Af 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:38 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an
> hour
>
>
>
> I saw a comment somewhere last night... "Early Black Friday sale,
> everything 100% off in Ferguson".
> --
>
> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Chuck McCown via Af [
> af@afmug.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:31 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an
> hour
>
> A good looting is a perfect warm-up exercise for the holiday season.
>
> When we ran the Radio Shack, this was the time of the year for break ins
> and burglaries.
>
> One time they threw a large rock through the window and were in and out in
> 2 minutes.
>
> The next incident happened before we could even get the window fixed.
>
>
>
> Security cameras satisfied our curiosity as to what happened, but they
> never helped the cops catch anyone.
>
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy via Af 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:27 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an
> hour
>
>
>
> yes, no questions asked. There were nikes and flat screens in those stores
> that needed liberated from the oppressors. The news could have ignored it
> all together and they would have rioted and looted, thats who they are, its
> what they do, kind of like how when we see jobs, we take them and do them.
> We really arent any different than them
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Nate Burke via Af  wrote:
>
> Or that the 24 hour news cycle needs something to talk about.  One comment
> I heard on the radio was that given the amount of coverage that [the media]
> had in Ferguson, if something didn't happen they would be really
> disappointed.  Expectations lead to results.
>
> If the Media had been covering it as 'An announcement is expected tonight,
> We expect everything to be calm'  Would carnage have happened?
>
>
>
> On 11/25/2014 9:43 AM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote:
>
> I think it is the case that it's just more visible, it probably has always
> been happening just as much... and cases like in Ferguson normally would
> never be heard of outside the local area, if somebody hadn't decided that
> it was a good opportunity for rioting.
> --
>
> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [
> af@afmug.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:45 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an
> hour
>
> >Cops sure seem to me to be a bit more trigger happy than in times past.
>
>
>
> Is that a gut feeling or is there math to prove that?  It's certainly
> become more visible in recent years, but from what I've read in the last
> year there hasn't been a noticeable increase in police shootings in the
> last several years (as of the last year report I read).
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:
>
> Yep, here in Utah the motto is “kill ‘em all, let God sort ‘em out”.
>
> It is OK though because we are a pretty religious bunch...
>
>
>
> But seriously -
>
>
>
> Cops sure seem to me to be a bit more trigger happy than in times past.
>
>
>
> We have one that seems to me to be much worse that Ferguson here in
> Saratoga

Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour

[That One Guy via Af]

yes, no questions asked. There were nikes and flat screens in those stores
that needed liberated from the oppressors. The news could have ignored it
all together and they would have rioted and looted, thats who they are, its
what they do, kind of like how when we see jobs, we take them and do them.
We really arent any different than them

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Nate Burke via Af  wrote:

>  Or that the 24 hour news cycle needs something to talk about.  One
> comment I heard on the radio was that given the amount of coverage that
> [the media] had in Ferguson, if something didn't happen they would be
> really disappointed.  Expectations lead to results.
>
> If the Media had been covering it as 'An announcement is expected tonight,
> We expect everything to be calm'  Would carnage have happened?
>
>
>
> On 11/25/2014 9:43 AM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote:
>
>  I think it is the case that it's just more visible, it probably has
> always been happening just as much... and cases like in Ferguson normally
> would never be heard of outside the local area, if somebody hadn't decided
> that it was a good opportunity for rioting.
>
> --
> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [
> af@afmug.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:45 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an
> hour
>
>  >Cops sure seem to me to be a bit more trigger happy than in times past.
>
>  Is that a gut feeling or is there math to prove that?  It's certainly
> become more visible in recent years, but from what I've read in the last
> year there hasn't been a noticeable increase in police shootings in the
> last several years (as of the last year report I read).
>
>
>  Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:
>
>>   Yep, here in Utah the motto is “kill ‘em all, let God sort ‘em out”.
>> It is OK though because we are a pretty religious bunch...
>>
>> But seriously -
>>
>> Cops sure seem to me to be a bit more trigger happy than in times past.
>>
>> We have one that seems to me to be much worse that Ferguson here in
>> Saratoga Springs.
>> Kid had a replica sword.  Walking around near a gas station, morning, not
>> any people around.
>> Someone called it in, kid was looking/acting a bit goofy.
>> Cops chased him around and shot him in the back 6 or 7 times.
>>
>> No looting and riots.  Just peaceful sad gatherings.
>>
>>  *From:* That One Guy via Af 
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 10:27 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>  *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an
>> hour
>>
>>   none will be prosecuted, they all have the ACLU hotline written on
>> their arm, there are hundreds of lawyers on site just for this, everything
>> is a civil rights issue, even stealing TVs.
>>
>> Ive been listening to http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/ctid/1573/web
>> really good dispatchers, these guys have to be under stress, they keep
>> having missing cops, even though you know theyll turn up its got to put a
>> pit in your stomach every time.
>>
>> Apparently in utah now, getting killed by cops is the number one murder
>> according to some headlines, is this true chuck, are your cops randomly
>> killing poeple now?
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Jay Weekley via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There are a lot of cameras in the area. Hopefully some will be
>>> prosecuted.
>>>
>>> Mathew Howard via Af wrote:
>>>
>>>> It makes sense when you think about it that way... they know there's a
>>>> good chance they'll get away with it, with all the other stuff going on
>>>> keeping the police busy.
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
>>>> [af@afmug.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 11:06 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an
>>>> hour
>>>>
>>>> crimes of opportunity.  hey, excuse to break into the liquor store.
>>>> free beer!
>>>> no relation to anything else.
>>>>
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> *From:* George Skorup (Cyber Broa