Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[CBB - Jay Fuller via Af]

heh, tell them for $100 you'll activate them on your network once they build 
out to you

  - Original Message - 
  From: Glen Waldrop via Af 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 11:17 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..


  Truth.

  I can't tell you how many people I've dealt with this year that went on 
Google and found equipment that will do 25+ miles and then called fussing at me 
because I can't get service to them.

  It is a double edged sword dealing with parts that the general public can 
easily buy.



- Original Message - 
From: Eric Kuhnke via Af 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 11:14 AM
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..


I know Ben as an "official" ubnt person is too diplomatic to say this, but 
the problem with alignment, separation and other site engineering problems is 
because anyone with a credit card can buy a ubiquiti link...  The super user 
friendly documentation and GUI on the http interface make it easy for people 
who barely know any networking tech or RF to attempting setting up a PTP link. 

If you sold a connectorized AF5 and treated it like a part 101 product, for 
sales only to real companies through a different channel, it would be easier to 
guarantee success.



On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Ben Moore via Af  wrote:

  We have looked at this, but alignment would be a real issue (and ensuring 
proper separation, etc...)...We are still kicking around some different 
options.  Though we are getting a lot of good feedback already on long links 
with AF5.


  On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:

I would like a pro grade AF5 connectorized, for use with a pair of the 
3' Jirous high performance antennas. Each link would need 4 dishes but you'd be 
able to go a lot further than the current af5 antenna size. 

On Dec 10, 2014 10:05 PM, "Mathew Howard via Af"  wrote:

  PtMP based on the airfiber in 3.65ghz would seem like a good fit, 
with the new rules that are (hopefully) coming...

  licensed also seems like an obvious place to go with airfiber.



--

  From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af 
[af@afmug.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:42 PM
      To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..


  I'd be incredibly surprised if they didn't do a ptmp.

  Not sure a revamped 24GHz is in consideration when there's so many 
other bands they could release equipment for.

  Maybe licensed? Hr...

  One can hope, right?

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comOn 12/10/2014 08:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af 
wrote:

I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In 
the 100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit 
backhaul...  I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well.



On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
 wrote:

  I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products 
released in the next 12-18 months.

  If not sooner.

  Now... what would those be?

  Hrm.


josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comOn 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af 
wrote:

I don’t know what you are talking about.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh 
Reynolds via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..



I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) 
is silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing.

:P



josh reynolds :: chief information officerspitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comOn 
12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:

  I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all 
the 802.11ac vendors are seeing with the new OOBE rules.  The 450 is able to 
provide a better performance within the new environment so there will still be 
a differentiator.  The only question if it’s worth the difference.



  Rory



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan 
Englhardt via Af
  Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM
  To: Josh Luthman via Af
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..



  .AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or 
not. Others do. epmp competes with

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[CBB - Jay Fuller via Af]

I want to see pictures.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Aaron Schneider via Af 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 11:21 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..


  So do we.  :D

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ben Moore via Af
  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:48 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

   

  We have a whole wall for you... ;)

   

  On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:

  Oh god has my white board turned into a black board?




   

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

   

  On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Ben Moore via Af  wrote:

  We have a running Mike list ;)

   

  On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

  Hey, hey, hey.

  I may have been very vocal about wanting a change of direction on something 
(and countless other things, I'm sure). Wait, do you have a count there? A 
whiteboard with tally marks for each time I've been "bold" regarding some UBNT 
position or product? Hrm..  Anyway, but I also commend when good and when the 
one thread kept going after we had the concession from Robert... I asked 
everyone (more than once) to close the thread. We got what we wanted, now shut 
up.

  As you noticed, I'm like that to other manufacturers a well.  ;-)



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com

   


--

  From: "Ben Moore via Af" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:36:53 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

  Does it matter if he asked?  Mike has been naughty this year...  ;-)

   

  On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:30 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af  wrote:

   

  Have you asked Santa? :)

- Original Message - 

From: Mike Hammett via Af 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:39 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

 

I want a bigger AF5. :-\



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 




From: "Keefe John via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:36:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

Maybe it could be an integrated solution with only one 'dish' vs the 
dogbone design.  I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate a smaller AF5--even 
if it had less throughput/distance.

Keefe

On 12/11/2014 8:29 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:

  via license?  *ducking*

  It could be lower end hardware, though I don't know how the costs of 
design and manufacture change. Lower throughput may allow for smaller, cheaper 
processors. Smaller processors use less power, so smaller power supply? I'm no 
engineer, so I can't tell you how much this would or would not change the price.

  Something that only does 10 MHz wide?

  I don't know their cost to manufacture, so I don't know how low they can 
go with the existing hardware and still make money.



  On the license front, I think people don't like the Cambium license 
system because the base unit is too slow and there are too many units. I think 
Gino's got something with a $1k 200 meg unit. Would be great for (business) 
customer installs. Maybe just one license to go from Lite to Full? Two things 
to keep track of, not several.



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com

   


--

  From: "Gino Villarini via Af" 
      To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:20:01 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

  I asked this and got a negative response… UBNT should work o AF24 2 with 
1 Gig capacity and a AF24Lite for 200-500 Mbps capacity for $1k link

   

   

   

  Gino A. Villarini

  President

  Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

  www.aeronetpr.com   

  @aeronetpr

   

   

   

  From: "af@afmug.com" 
  Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
      Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 9:27 AM
  To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

   

  Could they increase the QAM on the current AF24 to match that of the AF5 
and at least do 1 gigabit FDX on the current shipping hardware? Not sure how 
increasing QAM levels work in FPGA land.



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com

   


-

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Eric Kuhnke via Af]

Agreed, it's not so hard to build an 80 GHz link with 99.5%
uptime/availability over one year, but the cumulative amount of time the
link will be dead due to rain is huge...

if you want four nines to five nines availability, very different criteria
become important.

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Rory Conaway via Af  wrote:

> There was an 8 mile link with some Gigacom equipment that I saw but I
> think if someone spit in the area, the link went down.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke via Af
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:56 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
>
>
> In the Seattle/Vancouver area, five miles is nuts in 80 GHz, the most we
> do is about 4.0 to 5.0 km with +19 Tx power, 1000 MHz FDD channels, QPSK,
> and 60cm dishes. That's with a parallel 5 GHz path for OSPF failover.
>
> I could see five miles in maybe... Saudi Arabia?  Timbuktu, Mali?
> Somewhere that would be categorized as ITU rain zone A.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Rory Conaway via Af  wrote:
>
> If you can align a Bridgewave at 5 miles, you can align anything.  That’s
> not even a science, it’s a combination of luck, careful breathing, the
> patience of Jobe, extensive use of Valium and alcohol, and throat lozenges
> for the hours of communication it will take.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke via Af
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:51 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
>
>
> I guess what I meant is that the odds of success are much greater if the
> alignment is done by personnel who are accustomed to aiming $20,000
> Bridgewave, Exalt and similar radios with voltmeters.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Ben Moore via Af  wrote:
>
> While there is some truth to this, any way you look at it...it is tough to
> align/ensure good performance.  From a support perspective it would be very
> tough...
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:
>
> I know Ben as an "official" ubnt person is too diplomatic to say this, but
> the problem with alignment, separation and other site engineering problems
> is because anyone with a credit card can buy a ubiquiti link...  The super
> user friendly documentation and GUI on the http interface make it easy for
> people who barely know any networking tech or RF to attempting setting up a
> PTP link.
>
> If you sold a connectorized AF5 and treated it like a part 101 product,
> for sales only to real companies through a different channel, it would be
> easier to guarantee success.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Ben Moore via Af  wrote:
>
> We have looked at this, but alignment would be a real issue (and ensuring
> proper separation, etc...)...We are still kicking around some different
> options.  Though we are getting a lot of good feedback already on long
> links with AF5.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:
>
> I would like a pro grade AF5 connectorized, for use with a pair of the 3'
> Jirous high performance antennas. Each link would need 4 dishes but you'd
> be able to go a lot further than the current af5 antenna size.
>
> On Dec 10, 2014 10:05 PM, "Mathew Howard via Af"  wrote:
>
> PtMP based on the airfiber in 3.65ghz would seem like a good fit, with the
> new rules that are (hopefully) coming...
>
> licensed also seems like an obvious place to go with airfiber.
> --
>
> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af [
> af@afmug.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
> I'd be incredibly surprised if they didn't do a ptmp.
>
> Not sure a revamped 24GHz is in consideration when there's so many other
> bands they could release equipment for.
>
> Maybe licensed? Hr...
>
> One can hope, right?
>
> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>
> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>
> On 12/10/2014 08:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote:
>
> I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the
> 100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit
> backhaul...  I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
> wrote:
>
> I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released in
> the next 12-18 mont

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Chuck McCown via Af]

Hey, Ben, I hear UBNT hates North Korea and 

From: Ben Moore via Af 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

All in good fun! ;) 

BTW - I like the "suggestions" that are being made for future products.

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Ben Moore  wrote:

  We have a running Mike list ;) 

  On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

Hey, hey, hey.

I may have been very vocal about wanting a change of direction on something 
(and countless other things, I'm sure). Wait, do you have a count there? A 
whiteboard with tally marks for each time I've been "bold" regarding some UBNT 
position or product? Hrm..  Anyway, but I also commend when good and when the 
one thread kept going after we had the concession from Robert... I asked 
everyone (more than once) to close the thread. We got what we wanted, now shut 
up.

As you noticed, I'm like that to other manufacturers a well.  ;-)




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: "Ben Moore via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:36:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..


Does it matter if he asked?  Mike has been naughty this year...  ;-)

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:30 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af  
wrote:


  Have you asked Santa? :)

- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett via Af 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:39 AM
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I want a bigger AF5. :-\




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: "Keefe John via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:36:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

Maybe it could be an integrated solution with only one 'dish' vs the 
dogbone design.  I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate a smaller AF5--even 
if it had less throughput/distance.

Keefe


On 12/11/2014 8:29 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:

  via license?  *ducking*

  It could be lower end hardware, though I don't know how the costs of 
design and manufacture change. Lower throughput may allow for smaller, cheaper 
processors. Smaller processors use less power, so smaller power supply? I'm no 
engineer, so I can't tell you how much this would or would not change the price.

  Something that only does 10 MHz wide?

  I don't know their cost to manufacture, so I don't know how low they 
can go with the existing hardware and still make money.



  On the license front, I think people don't like the Cambium license 
system because the base unit is too slow and there are too many units. I think 
Gino's got something with a $1k 200 meg unit. Would be great for (business) 
customer installs. Maybe just one license to go from Lite to Full? Two things 
to keep track of, not several.



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



--

  From: "Gino Villarini via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com
          To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:20:01 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..


  I asked this and got a negative response… UBNT should work o AF24 2 
with 1 Gig capacity and a AF24Lite for 200-500 Mbps capacity for $1k link



  Gino A. Villarini
  President
  Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
  www.aeronetpr.com   
  @aeronetpr



  From: "af@afmug.com" 
  Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 9:27 AM
  To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..


  Could they increase the QAM on the current AF24 to match that of the 
AF5 and at least do 1 gigabit FDX on the current shipping hardware? Not sure 
how increasing QAM levels work in FPGA land.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



--

  From: "Colin Stanners via Af" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:19:46 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..


  I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 
100m

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Mike Hammett via Af]

Five miles is nothing to the HFT guys. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Eric Kuhnke via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 11:56:23 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 



In the Seattle/Vancouver area, five miles is nuts in 80 GHz, the most we do is 
about 4.0 to 5.0 km with +19 Tx power, 1000 MHz FDD channels, QPSK, and 60cm 
dishes. That's with a parallel 5 GHz path for OSPF failover. 

I could see five miles in maybe... Saudi Arabia? Timbuktu, Mali? Somewhere that 
would be categorized as ITU rain zone A. 




On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Rory Conaway via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 





If you can align a Bridgewave at 5 miles, you can align anything. That’s not 
even a science, it’s a combination of luck, careful breathing, the patience of 
Jobe, extensive use of Valium and alcohol, and throat lozenges for the hours of 
communication it will take. 

Rory 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke via Af 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:51 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 



I guess what I meant is that the odds of success are much greater if the 
alignment is done by personnel who are accustomed to aiming $20,000 Bridgewave, 
Exalt and similar radios with voltmeters. 



On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Ben Moore via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 

While there is some truth to this, any way you look at it...it is tough to 
align/ensure good performance. From a support perspective it would be very 
tough... 



On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 

I know Ben as an "official" ubnt person is too diplomatic to say this, but the 
problem with alignment, separation and other site engineering problems is 
because anyone with a credit card can buy a ubiquiti link... The super user 
friendly documentation and GUI on the http interface make it easy for people 
who barely know any networking tech or RF to attempting setting up a PTP link. 

If you sold a connectorized AF5 and treated it like a part 101 product, for 
sales only to real companies through a different channel, it would be easier to 
guarantee success. 



On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Ben Moore via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 







We have looked at this, but alignment would be a real issue (and ensuring 
proper separation, etc...)...We are still kicking around some different 
options. Though we are getting a lot of good feedback already on long links 
with AF5. 



On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 
I would like a pro grade AF5 connectorized, for use with a pair of the 3' 
Jirous high performance antennas. Each link would need 4 dishes but you'd be 
able to go a lot further than the current af5 antenna size. 

On Dec 10, 2014 10:05 PM, "Mathew Howard via Af" < af@afmug.com > wrote: 







PtMP based on the airfiber in 3.65ghz would seem like a good fit, with the new 
rules that are (hopefully) coming... 

licensed also seems like an obvious place to go with airfiber. 




From: Af [ af-boun...@afmug.com ] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af [ 
af@afmug.com ] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:42 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 


I'd be incredibly surprised if they didn't do a ptmp. 

Not sure a revamped 24GHz is in consideration when there's so many other bands 
they could release equipment for. 

Maybe licensed? Hr... 

One can hope, right? 

josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com 
On 12/10/2014 08:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote: 



I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 100mhz 
channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit backhaul... 
I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well. 



On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 


I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released in the 
next 12-18 months. 

If not sooner. 

Now... what would those be? 

Hrm. 


josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com 


On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: 





I don’t know what you are talking about. 

Rory 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 


I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is silently 
sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing. 

:P josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com 
On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: 


I think the ePMP is going to run in

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Rory Conaway via Af]

There was an 8 mile link with some Gigacom equipment that I saw but I think if 
someone spit in the area, the link went down.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

 

In the Seattle/Vancouver area, five miles is nuts in 80 GHz, the most we do is 
about 4.0 to 5.0 km with +19 Tx power, 1000 MHz FDD channels, QPSK, and 60cm 
dishes. That's with a parallel 5 GHz path for OSPF failover.

I could see five miles in maybe... Saudi Arabia?  Timbuktu, Mali?  Somewhere 
that would be categorized as ITU rain zone A.

 

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Rory Conaway via Af  wrote:

If you can align a Bridgewave at 5 miles, you can align anything.  That’s not 
even a science, it’s a combination of luck, careful breathing, the patience of 
Jobe, extensive use of Valium and alcohol, and throat lozenges for the hours of 
communication it will take.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

 

I guess what I meant is that the odds of success are much greater if the 
alignment is done by personnel who are accustomed to aiming $20,000 Bridgewave, 
Exalt and similar radios with voltmeters.

 

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Ben Moore via Af  wrote:

While there is some truth to this, any way you look at it...it is tough to 
align/ensure good performance.  From a support perspective it would be very 
tough...

 

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:

I know Ben as an "official" ubnt person is too diplomatic to say this, but the 
problem with alignment, separation and other site engineering problems is 
because anyone with a credit card can buy a ubiquiti link...  The super user 
friendly documentation and GUI on the http interface make it easy for people 
who barely know any networking tech or RF to attempting setting up a PTP link. 

If you sold a connectorized AF5 and treated it like a part 101 product, for 
sales only to real companies through a different channel, it would be easier to 
guarantee success.

 

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Ben Moore via Af  wrote:

We have looked at this, but alignment would be a real issue (and 
ensuring proper separation, etc...)...We are still kicking around some 
different options.  Though we are getting a lot of good feedback already on 
long links with AF5.

 

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  
wrote:

I would like a pro grade AF5 connectorized, for use with a pair of the 
3' Jirous high performance antennas. Each link would need 4 dishes but you'd be 
able to go a lot further than the current af5 antenna size. 

On Dec 10, 2014 10:05 PM, "Mathew Howard via Af"  wrote:

PtMP based on the airfiber in 3.65ghz would seem like a good 
fit, with the new rules that are (hopefully) coming...

licensed also seems like an obvious place to go with airfiber.





From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via 
Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I'd be incredibly surprised if they didn't do a ptmp.

Not sure a revamped 24GHz is in consideration when there's so 
many other bands they could release equipment for.

Maybe licensed? Hr...

One can hope, right?

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

On 12/10/2014 08:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote:

I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 
1024QAM. In the 100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so 
a 2.5gbit backhaul...  I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well.

 

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
 wrote:

I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber 
products released in the next 12-18 months.

If not sooner.

Now... what would those be?

Hrm.



josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Rory Conaway via Af]

Get your passport and come down to Las Vegas.  Whatever you learn here, stays 
here.  Las Vegas has its own implied NDA.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

 

In the Seattle/Vancouver area, five miles is nuts in 80 GHz, the most we do is 
about 4.0 to 5.0 km with +19 Tx power, 1000 MHz FDD channels, QPSK, and 60cm 
dishes. That's with a parallel 5 GHz path for OSPF failover.

I could see five miles in maybe... Saudi Arabia?  Timbuktu, Mali?  Somewhere 
that would be categorized as ITU rain zone A.

 

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Rory Conaway via Af  wrote:

If you can align a Bridgewave at 5 miles, you can align anything.  That’s not 
even a science, it’s a combination of luck, careful breathing, the patience of 
Jobe, extensive use of Valium and alcohol, and throat lozenges for the hours of 
communication it will take.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

 

I guess what I meant is that the odds of success are much greater if the 
alignment is done by personnel who are accustomed to aiming $20,000 Bridgewave, 
Exalt and similar radios with voltmeters.

 

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Ben Moore via Af  wrote:

While there is some truth to this, any way you look at it...it is tough to 
align/ensure good performance.  From a support perspective it would be very 
tough...

 

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:

I know Ben as an "official" ubnt person is too diplomatic to say this, but the 
problem with alignment, separation and other site engineering problems is 
because anyone with a credit card can buy a ubiquiti link...  The super user 
friendly documentation and GUI on the http interface make it easy for people 
who barely know any networking tech or RF to attempting setting up a PTP link. 

If you sold a connectorized AF5 and treated it like a part 101 product, for 
sales only to real companies through a different channel, it would be easier to 
guarantee success.

 

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Ben Moore via Af  wrote:

We have looked at this, but alignment would be a real issue (and 
ensuring proper separation, etc...)...We are still kicking around some 
different options.  Though we are getting a lot of good feedback already on 
long links with AF5.

 

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  
wrote:

I would like a pro grade AF5 connectorized, for use with a pair of the 
3' Jirous high performance antennas. Each link would need 4 dishes but you'd be 
able to go a lot further than the current af5 antenna size. 

On Dec 10, 2014 10:05 PM, "Mathew Howard via Af"  wrote:

PtMP based on the airfiber in 3.65ghz would seem like a good 
fit, with the new rules that are (hopefully) coming...

licensed also seems like an obvious place to go with airfiber.





From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via 
Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I'd be incredibly surprised if they didn't do a ptmp.

Not sure a revamped 24GHz is in consideration when there's so 
many other bands they could release equipment for.

Maybe licensed? Hr...

One can hope, right?

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

On 12/10/2014 08:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote:

I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 
1024QAM. In the 100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so 
a 2.5gbit backhaul...  I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well.

 

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
 wrote:

I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber 
products released in the next 12-18 months.

If not sooner.

Now... what would those be?

Hrm.



josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Eric Kuhnke via Af]

In the Seattle/Vancouver area, five miles is nuts in 80 GHz, the most we do
is about 4.0 to 5.0 km with +19 Tx power, 1000 MHz FDD channels, QPSK, and
60cm dishes. That's with a parallel 5 GHz path for OSPF failover.

I could see five miles in maybe... Saudi Arabia?  Timbuktu, Mali?
Somewhere that would be categorized as ITU rain zone A.


On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Rory Conaway via Af  wrote:

> If you can align a Bridgewave at 5 miles, you can align anything.  That’s
> not even a science, it’s a combination of luck, careful breathing, the
> patience of Jobe, extensive use of Valium and alcohol, and throat lozenges
> for the hours of communication it will take.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke via Af
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:51 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
>
>
> I guess what I meant is that the odds of success are much greater if the
> alignment is done by personnel who are accustomed to aiming $20,000
> Bridgewave, Exalt and similar radios with voltmeters.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Ben Moore via Af  wrote:
>
> While there is some truth to this, any way you look at it...it is tough to
> align/ensure good performance.  From a support perspective it would be very
> tough...
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:
>
> I know Ben as an "official" ubnt person is too diplomatic to say this, but
> the problem with alignment, separation and other site engineering problems
> is because anyone with a credit card can buy a ubiquiti link...  The super
> user friendly documentation and GUI on the http interface make it easy for
> people who barely know any networking tech or RF to attempting setting up a
> PTP link.
>
> If you sold a connectorized AF5 and treated it like a part 101 product,
> for sales only to real companies through a different channel, it would be
> easier to guarantee success.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Ben Moore via Af  wrote:
>
> We have looked at this, but alignment would be a real issue (and ensuring
> proper separation, etc...)...We are still kicking around some different
> options.  Though we are getting a lot of good feedback already on long
> links with AF5.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:
>
> I would like a pro grade AF5 connectorized, for use with a pair of the 3'
> Jirous high performance antennas. Each link would need 4 dishes but you'd
> be able to go a lot further than the current af5 antenna size.
>
> On Dec 10, 2014 10:05 PM, "Mathew Howard via Af"  wrote:
>
> PtMP based on the airfiber in 3.65ghz would seem like a good fit, with the
> new rules that are (hopefully) coming...
>
> licensed also seems like an obvious place to go with airfiber.
> --
>
> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af [
> af@afmug.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
> I'd be incredibly surprised if they didn't do a ptmp.
>
> Not sure a revamped 24GHz is in consideration when there's so many other
> bands they could release equipment for.
>
> Maybe licensed? Hr...
>
> One can hope, right?
>
> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>
> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>
> On 12/10/2014 08:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote:
>
> I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the
> 100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit
> backhaul...  I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
> wrote:
>
> I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released in
> the next 12-18 months.
>
> If not sooner.
>
> Now... what would those be?
>
> Hrmmmmm.
>
>
> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>
> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>
> On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
>
> I don’t know what you are talking about.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds via Af
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
>
>
> I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is
> silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing.
>
> :P
>
> josh reynolds :: chief informat

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Rory Conaway via Af]

If you can align a Bridgewave at 5 miles, you can align anything.  That’s not 
even a science, it’s a combination of luck, careful breathing, the patience of 
Jobe, extensive use of Valium and alcohol, and throat lozenges for the hours of 
communication it will take.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

 

I guess what I meant is that the odds of success are much greater if the 
alignment is done by personnel who are accustomed to aiming $20,000 Bridgewave, 
Exalt and similar radios with voltmeters.

 

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Ben Moore via Af  wrote:

While there is some truth to this, any way you look at it...it is tough to 
align/ensure good performance.  From a support perspective it would be very 
tough...

 

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:

I know Ben as an "official" ubnt person is too diplomatic to say this, but the 
problem with alignment, separation and other site engineering problems is 
because anyone with a credit card can buy a ubiquiti link...  The super user 
friendly documentation and GUI on the http interface make it easy for people 
who barely know any networking tech or RF to attempting setting up a PTP link. 

If you sold a connectorized AF5 and treated it like a part 101 product, for 
sales only to real companies through a different channel, it would be easier to 
guarantee success.

 

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Ben Moore via Af  wrote:

We have looked at this, but alignment would be a real issue (and 
ensuring proper separation, etc...)...We are still kicking around some 
different options.  Though we are getting a lot of good feedback already on 
long links with AF5.

 

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  
wrote:

I would like a pro grade AF5 connectorized, for use with a pair of the 
3' Jirous high performance antennas. Each link would need 4 dishes but you'd be 
able to go a lot further than the current af5 antenna size. 

On Dec 10, 2014 10:05 PM, "Mathew Howard via Af"  wrote:

PtMP based on the airfiber in 3.65ghz would seem like a good 
fit, with the new rules that are (hopefully) coming...

licensed also seems like an obvious place to go with airfiber.





From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via 
Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I'd be incredibly surprised if they didn't do a ptmp.

Not sure a revamped 24GHz is in consideration when there's so 
many other bands they could release equipment for.

Maybe licensed? Hr...

One can hope, right?



josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

On 12/10/2014 08:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote:

I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 
1024QAM. In the 100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so 
a 2.5gbit backhaul...  I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well.

 

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
 wrote:

I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber 
products released in the next 12-18 months.

If not sooner.

Now... what would those be?

Hrm.




josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:

I don’t know what you are talking about.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM
    To: af@afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

 

I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to 
keep expanding) is silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doi

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Ben Moore via Af]

agreed.

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:

> I guess what I meant is that the odds of success are much greater if the
> alignment is done by personnel who are accustomed to aiming $20,000
> Bridgewave, Exalt and similar radios with voltmeters.
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Ben Moore via Af  wrote:
>
>> While there is some truth to this, any way you look at it...it is tough
>> to align/ensure good performance.  From a support perspective it would be
>> very tough...
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I know Ben as an "official" ubnt person is too diplomatic to say this,
>>> but the problem with alignment, separation and other site engineering
>>> problems is because anyone with a credit card can buy a ubiquiti link...
>>> The super user friendly documentation and GUI on the http interface make it
>>> easy for people who barely know any networking tech or RF to attempting
>>> setting up a PTP link.
>>>
>>> If you sold a connectorized AF5 and treated it like a part 101 product,
>>> for sales only to real companies through a different channel, it would be
>>> easier to guarantee success.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Ben Moore via Af  wrote:
>>>
>>>> We have looked at this, but alignment would be a real issue (and
>>>> ensuring proper separation, etc...)...We are still kicking around some
>>>> different options.  Though we are getting a lot of good feedback already on
>>>> long links with AF5.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would like a pro grade AF5 connectorized, for use with a pair of the
>>>>> 3' Jirous high performance antennas. Each link would need 4 dishes but
>>>>> you'd be able to go a lot further than the current af5 antenna size.
>>>>> On Dec 10, 2014 10:05 PM, "Mathew Howard via Af"  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  PtMP based on the airfiber in 3.65ghz would seem like a good fit,
>>>>>> with the new rules that are (hopefully) coming...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> licensed also seems like an obvious place to go with airfiber.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  --
>>>>>> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af [
>>>>>> af@afmug.com]
>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:42 PM
>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   I'd be incredibly surprised if they didn't do a ptmp.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not sure a revamped 24GHz is in consideration when there's so many
>>>>>> other bands they could release equipment for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe licensed? Hr...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One can hope, right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>>>>>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/10/2014 08:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the
>>>>>> 100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit
>>>>>> backhaul...  I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products
>>>>>>> released in the next 12-18 months.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If not sooner.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now... what would those be?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hrm.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>>>>>>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I don’t know what you are talking about.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
&g

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Eric Kuhnke via Af]

I guess what I meant is that the odds of success are much greater if the
alignment is done by personnel who are accustomed to aiming $20,000
Bridgewave, Exalt and similar radios with voltmeters.

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Ben Moore via Af  wrote:

> While there is some truth to this, any way you look at it...it is tough to
> align/ensure good performance.  From a support perspective it would be very
> tough...
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:
>
>> I know Ben as an "official" ubnt person is too diplomatic to say this,
>> but the problem with alignment, separation and other site engineering
>> problems is because anyone with a credit card can buy a ubiquiti link...
>> The super user friendly documentation and GUI on the http interface make it
>> easy for people who barely know any networking tech or RF to attempting
>> setting up a PTP link.
>>
>> If you sold a connectorized AF5 and treated it like a part 101 product,
>> for sales only to real companies through a different channel, it would be
>> easier to guarantee success.
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Ben Moore via Af  wrote:
>>
>>> We have looked at this, but alignment would be a real issue (and
>>> ensuring proper separation, etc...)...We are still kicking around some
>>> different options.  Though we are getting a lot of good feedback already on
>>> long links with AF5.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would like a pro grade AF5 connectorized, for use with a pair of the
>>>> 3' Jirous high performance antennas. Each link would need 4 dishes but
>>>> you'd be able to go a lot further than the current af5 antenna size.
>>>> On Dec 10, 2014 10:05 PM, "Mathew Howard via Af"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  PtMP based on the airfiber in 3.65ghz would seem like a good fit,
>>>>> with the new rules that are (hopefully) coming...
>>>>>
>>>>> licensed also seems like an obvious place to go with airfiber.
>>>>>
>>>>>  --
>>>>> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af [
>>>>> af@afmug.com]
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:42 PM
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>>>>
>>>>>   I'd be incredibly surprised if they didn't do a ptmp.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure a revamped 24GHz is in consideration when there's so many
>>>>> other bands they could release equipment for.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe licensed? Hr...
>>>>>
>>>>> One can hope, right?
>>>>>
>>>>> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>>>>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/10/2014 08:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the
>>>>> 100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit
>>>>> backhaul...  I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products
>>>>>> released in the next 12-18 months.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If not sooner.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now... what would those be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hrm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>>>>>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I don’t know what you are talking about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rory
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>>>>> Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds via Af
>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM
>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Ben Moore via Af]

While there is some truth to this, any way you look at it...it is tough to
align/ensure good performance.  From a support perspective it would be very
tough...

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:

> I know Ben as an "official" ubnt person is too diplomatic to say this, but
> the problem with alignment, separation and other site engineering problems
> is because anyone with a credit card can buy a ubiquiti link...  The super
> user friendly documentation and GUI on the http interface make it easy for
> people who barely know any networking tech or RF to attempting setting up a
> PTP link.
>
> If you sold a connectorized AF5 and treated it like a part 101 product,
> for sales only to real companies through a different channel, it would be
> easier to guarantee success.
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Ben Moore via Af  wrote:
>
>> We have looked at this, but alignment would be a real issue (and ensuring
>> proper separation, etc...)...We are still kicking around some different
>> options.  Though we are getting a lot of good feedback already on long
>> links with AF5.
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:
>>
>>> I would like a pro grade AF5 connectorized, for use with a pair of the
>>> 3' Jirous high performance antennas. Each link would need 4 dishes but
>>> you'd be able to go a lot further than the current af5 antenna size.
>>> On Dec 10, 2014 10:05 PM, "Mathew Howard via Af"  wrote:
>>>
>>>>  PtMP based on the airfiber in 3.65ghz would seem like a good fit,
>>>> with the new rules that are (hopefully) coming...
>>>>
>>>> licensed also seems like an obvious place to go with airfiber.
>>>>
>>>>  --------------
>>>> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af [
>>>> af@afmug.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:42 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>>>
>>>>   I'd be incredibly surprised if they didn't do a ptmp.
>>>>
>>>> Not sure a revamped 24GHz is in consideration when there's so many
>>>> other bands they could release equipment for.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe licensed? Hr...
>>>>
>>>> One can hope, right?
>>>>
>>>> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>>>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>>>>
>>>> On 12/10/2014 08:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the
>>>> 100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit
>>>> backhaul...  I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products
>>>>> released in the next 12-18 months.
>>>>>
>>>>> If not sooner.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now... what would those be?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hrm.
>>>>>
>>>>>  josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>>>>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>>>>>
>>>>>  On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  I don’t know what you are talking about.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rory
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>>>> Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds via Af
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is
>>>>> silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>> :P
>>>>>
>>>>>  josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>>>>>
>>>>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the
>&g

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Josh Luthman via Af]

I imagine it also has my name/face with a lot of holes from darts.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af 
wrote:

>  So do we.  :D
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ben Moore via Af
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:48 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
>
>
> We have a whole wall for you... ;)
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:
>
> Oh god has my white board turned into a black board?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Ben Moore via Af  wrote:
>
> We have a running Mike list ;)
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>
> Hey, hey, hey.
>
> I may have been very vocal about wanting a change of direction on
> something (and countless other things, I'm sure). Wait, do you have a count
> there? A whiteboard with tally marks for each time I've been "bold"
> regarding some UBNT position or product? Hrm..  Anyway, but I also commend
> when good and when the one thread kept going after we had the concession
> from Robert... I asked everyone (more than once) to close the thread. We
> got what we wanted, now shut up.
>
> As you noticed, I'm like that to other manufacturers a well.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>  --
>
> *From: *"Ben Moore via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:36:53 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
> Does it matter if he asked?  Mike has been naughty this year...  ;-)
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:30 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Have you asked Santa? :)
>
>  - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett via Af 
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:39 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
>
>
> I want a bigger AF5. :-\
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>  --
>
> *From: *"Keefe John via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:36:35 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
> Maybe it could be an integrated solution with only one 'dish' vs the
> dogbone design.  I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate a smaller
> AF5--even if it had less throughput/distance.
>
> Keefe
>
> On 12/11/2014 8:29 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
>
>  via license?  *ducking*
>
> It could be lower end hardware, though I don't know how the costs of
> design and manufacture change. Lower throughput may allow for smaller,
> cheaper processors. Smaller processors use less power, so smaller power
> supply? I'm no engineer, so I can't tell you how much this would or would
> not change the price.
>
> Something that only does 10 MHz wide?
>
> I don't know their cost to manufacture, so I don't know how low they can
> go with the existing hardware and still make money.
>
>
>
> On the license front, I think people don't like the Cambium license system
> because the base unit is too slow and there are too many units. I think
> Gino's got something with a $1k 200 meg unit. Would be great for (business)
> customer installs. Maybe just one license to go from Lite to Full? Two
> things to keep track of, not several.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>  --
>
> *From: *"Gino Villarini via Af"  
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:20:01 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
> I asked this and got a negative response… UBNT should work o AF24 2 with 1
> Gig capacity and a AF24Lite for 200-500 Mbps capacity for $1k link
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> President
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> www.aeronetpr.com
>
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Date: *Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 9:27 AM
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
&

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Aaron Schneider via Af]

So do we.  :D

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ben Moore via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

We have a whole wall for you... ;)

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Josh Luthman via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Oh god has my white board turned into a black board?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Ben Moore via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
We have a running Mike list ;)

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Mike Hammett via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Hey, hey, hey.

I may have been very vocal about wanting a change of direction on something 
(and countless other things, I'm sure). Wait, do you have a count there? A 
whiteboard with tally marks for each time I've been "bold" regarding some UBNT 
position or product? Hrm..  Anyway, but I also commend when good and when the 
one thread kept going after we had the concession from Robert... I asked 
everyone (more than once) to close the thread. We got what we wanted, now shut 
up.

As you noticed, I'm like that to other manufacturers a well.  ;-)


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Ben Moore via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:36:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
Does it matter if he asked?  Mike has been naughty this year...  ;-)

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:30 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

Have you asked Santa? :)
- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammett via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I want a bigger AF5. :-\


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Keefe John via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:36:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

Maybe it could be an integrated solution with only one 'dish' vs the dogbone 
design.  I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate a smaller AF5--even if it 
had less throughput/distance.

Keefe
On 12/11/2014 8:29 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
via license?  *ducking*

It could be lower end hardware, though I don't know how the costs of design and 
manufacture change. Lower throughput may allow for smaller, cheaper processors. 
Smaller processors use less power, so smaller power supply? I'm no engineer, so 
I can't tell you how much this would or would not change the price.

Something that only does 10 MHz wide?

I don't know their cost to manufacture, so I don't know how low they can go 
with the existing hardware and still make money.



On the license front, I think people don't like the Cambium license system 
because the base unit is too slow and there are too many units. I think Gino's 
got something with a $1k 200 meg unit. Would be great for (business) customer 
installs. Maybe just one license to go from Lite to Full? Two things to keep 
track of, not several.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

____
From: "Gino Villarini via Af" <mailto:af@afmug.com>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:20:01 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
I asked this and got a negative response… UBNT should work o AF24 2 with 1 Gig 
capacity and a AF24Lite for 200-500 Mbps capacity for $1k link



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 9:27 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

Could they increase the QAM on the current AF24 to match that of the AF5 and at 
least do 1 gigabit FDX on the current shipping hardware? Not sure how 
increasing QAM levels work in FPGA land.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Colin Stanners via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:19:46 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 100mhz 
channels both ways

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Glen Waldrop via Af]

Truth.

I can't tell you how many people I've dealt with this year that went on Google 
and found equipment that will do 25+ miles and then called fussing at me 
because I can't get service to them.

It is a double edged sword dealing with parts that the general public can 
easily buy.



  - Original Message - 
  From: Eric Kuhnke via Af 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 11:14 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..


  I know Ben as an "official" ubnt person is too diplomatic to say this, but 
the problem with alignment, separation and other site engineering problems is 
because anyone with a credit card can buy a ubiquiti link...  The super user 
friendly documentation and GUI on the http interface make it easy for people 
who barely know any networking tech or RF to attempting setting up a PTP link. 

  If you sold a connectorized AF5 and treated it like a part 101 product, for 
sales only to real companies through a different channel, it would be easier to 
guarantee success.



  On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Ben Moore via Af  wrote:

We have looked at this, but alignment would be a real issue (and ensuring 
proper separation, etc...)...We are still kicking around some different 
options.  Though we are getting a lot of good feedback already on long links 
with AF5.


On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:

  I would like a pro grade AF5 connectorized, for use with a pair of the 3' 
Jirous high performance antennas. Each link would need 4 dishes but you'd be 
able to go a lot further than the current af5 antenna size. 

  On Dec 10, 2014 10:05 PM, "Mathew Howard via Af"  wrote:

PtMP based on the airfiber in 3.65ghz would seem like a good fit, with 
the new rules that are (hopefully) coming...

licensed also seems like an obvious place to go with airfiber.





From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af 
[af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:42 PM
    To: af@afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..


I'd be incredibly surprised if they didn't do a ptmp.

Not sure a revamped 24GHz is in consideration when there's so many 
other bands they could release equipment for.

Maybe licensed? Hr...

One can hope, right?

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comOn 12/10/2014 08:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af 
wrote:

  I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 
100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit 
backhaul...  I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well.



  On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af  
wrote:

I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products 
released in the next 12-18 months.

If not sooner.

Now... what would those be?

Hrm.


josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comOn 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af 
wrote:

  I don’t know what you are talking about.



  Rory



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds 
via Af
  Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..



  I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) 
is silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing.

  :P



josh reynolds :: chief information officerspitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comOn 
12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:

I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 
802.11ac vendors are seeing with the new OOBE rules.  The 450 is able to 
provide a better performance within the new environment so there will still be 
a differentiator.  The only question if it’s worth the difference.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan 
Englhardt via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM
    To: Josh Luthman via Af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..



.AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or 
not. Others do. epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers 
and applications where 450 does not meet the price point. 



Von: Josh Luthman via Af
Gesendet: ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎04‎:‎00
An: Josh Luthman via Af



An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether 
Cambium would be
fearf

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Eric Kuhnke via Af]

I know Ben as an "official" ubnt person is too diplomatic to say this, but
the problem with alignment, separation and other site engineering problems
is because anyone with a credit card can buy a ubiquiti link...  The super
user friendly documentation and GUI on the http interface make it easy for
people who barely know any networking tech or RF to attempting setting up a
PTP link.

If you sold a connectorized AF5 and treated it like a part 101 product, for
sales only to real companies through a different channel, it would be
easier to guarantee success.

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Ben Moore via Af  wrote:

> We have looked at this, but alignment would be a real issue (and ensuring
> proper separation, etc...)...We are still kicking around some different
> options.  Though we are getting a lot of good feedback already on long
> links with AF5.
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:
>
>> I would like a pro grade AF5 connectorized, for use with a pair of the 3'
>> Jirous high performance antennas. Each link would need 4 dishes but you'd
>> be able to go a lot further than the current af5 antenna size.
>> On Dec 10, 2014 10:05 PM, "Mathew Howard via Af"  wrote:
>>
>>>  PtMP based on the airfiber in 3.65ghz would seem like a good fit, with
>>> the new rules that are (hopefully) coming...
>>>
>>> licensed also seems like an obvious place to go with airfiber.
>>>
>>>  --
>>> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af [
>>> af@afmug.com]
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:42 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>>
>>>   I'd be incredibly surprised if they didn't do a ptmp.
>>>
>>> Not sure a revamped 24GHz is in consideration when there's so many
>>> other bands they could release equipment for.
>>>
>>> Maybe licensed? Hr...
>>>
>>> One can hope, right?
>>>
>>> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>>>
>>> On 12/10/2014 08:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the
>>> 100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit
>>> backhaul...  I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released
>>>> in the next 12-18 months.
>>>>
>>>> If not sooner.
>>>>
>>>> Now... what would those be?
>>>>
>>>> Hrm.
>>>>
>>>>  josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>>>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>>>>
>>>>  On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  I don’t know what you are talking about.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rory
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds via Af
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is
>>>> silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing.
>>>>
>>>> :P
>>>>
>>>>  josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>>>>
>>>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>>>>
>>>> On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac
>>>> vendors are seeing with the new OOBE rules.  The 450 is able to provide a
>>>> better performance within the new environment so there will still be a
>>>> differentiator.  The only question if it’s worth the difference.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rory
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Stefan Englhardt via Af
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM
>>>> *To:* Josh Luthman via Af
>>>> *Subject:*

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Eric Kuhnke via Af]

The technology in a lot of the existing carrier grade FDD 60 GHz products
is 7-8 years old. Newer chipsets will bring the cost down significantly.
On Dec 11, 2014 6:40 AM, "Gino Villarini via Af"  wrote:

>   I wonder how the upcoming wigig chipsets will impact the 60 ghz ptp
> market
>
>
>
>  Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>   From: "af@afmug.com" 
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 10:30 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
>   Indeed it would.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
>  *From: *"Keefe John via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:25:22 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
> A 60 ghz solution using two 1000 mhz channels giving us 10 gbps full
> duplex throughput would be awesome.
>
> Keefe
>
> On 12/10/2014 11:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote:
>
> I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the
> 100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit
> backhaul...  I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well.
>
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
> wrote:
>
>>  I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released
>> in the next 12-18 months.
>>
>> If not sooner.
>>
>> Now... what would those be?
>>
>> Hrm.
>>
>>  josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>>
>>  On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
>>
>>  I don’t know what you are talking about.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds via Af
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is
>> silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing.
>>
>> :P
>>
>>  josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>>
>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>>
>> On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
>>
>> I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac
>> vendors are seeing with the new OOBE rules.  The 450 is able to provide a
>> better performance within the new environment so there will still be a
>> differentiator.  The only question if it’s worth the difference.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Stefan Englhardt via Af
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM
>> *To:* Josh Luthman via Af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>
>>
>>
>> .AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. Others
>> do. epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and
>> applications where 450 does not meet the price point.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 04:00
>> *An:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>>
>>
>>
>> An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would
>> be
>> fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when
>> it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to
>> outshine
>> the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC
>> ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc).
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >  The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac.
>> >
>> >
>> > *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>> > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 01:39
>> > *An:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>> >
>> > I hope Cambium is listing on this point.
>> >
>> > Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price
>> > point.
>> >
>> > They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too.
>> >
>> > Tushar
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On
>> Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af
>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>> >
>> > > Yes no maybe.
>> >
>> > I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the
>> competitive
>> > fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed
>> licenses.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Mike Hammett via Af]

I see you post the links, but I'll let physics tell me what a good link is. ;-) 

Full modulation or bust! 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Ben Moore via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 11:02:50 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 


We have looked at this, but alignment would be a real issue (and ensuring 
proper separation, etc...)...We are still kicking around some different 
options. Though we are getting a lot of good feedback already on long links 
with AF5. 


On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 



I would like a pro grade AF5 connectorized, for use with a pair of the 3' 
Jirous high performance antennas. Each link would need 4 dishes but you'd be 
able to go a lot further than the current af5 antenna size. 
On Dec 10, 2014 10:05 PM, "Mathew Howard via Af" < af@afmug.com > wrote: 





PtMP based on the airfiber in 3.65ghz would seem like a good fit, with the new 
rules that are (hopefully) coming... 

licensed also seems like an obvious place to go with airfiber. 




From: Af [ af-boun...@afmug.com ] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af [ 
af@afmug.com ] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:42 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 




I'd be incredibl y surprised if they didn't do a ptmp. 

Not sure a revamped 24GHz is in consider ation whe n there's so many other 
bands they could release equipment for. 

Maybe licensed? Hr... 

One can hope, right? 
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 08:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af 
wrote: 



I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 100mhz 
channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit backhaul... 
I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well. 



On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 




I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released in the 
next 12-18 months. 

If not sooner. 

Now... what would those be? 

Hrm. 

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com 

On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: 






I don’t know what you are talking about. 

Rory 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 


I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is silently 
sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing. 

:P 

josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com 
On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: 


I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac vendors 
are seeing with the new OOBE rules. The 450 is able to provide a better 
performance within the new environment so there will still be a differentiator. 
The only question if it’s worth the difference. 

Rory 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM 
To: Josh Luthman via Af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 



.AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. Others do. 
epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and applications 
where 450 does not meet the price point. 





Von: Josh Luthman via Af 
Gesendet: ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎04‎:‎00 
An: Josh Luthman via Af 




An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would be 
fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when 
it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to outshine 
the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC 
ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc). 

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af < af@afmug.com > 
wrote: 

> The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac. 
> 
> 
> *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af < af@afmug.com > 
> *Gesendet:* ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎01‎:‎39 
> *An:* Josh Luthman via Af < af@afmug.com > 
> 
> I hope Cambium is listing on this point. 
> 
> Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price 
> point. 
> 
> They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too. 
> 
> Tushar 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 
> 
> > Yes no maybe. 
> 
> I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the competitive 
> fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed licenses. 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Ben Moore via Af]

We have looked at this, but alignment would be a real issue (and ensuring
proper separation, etc...)...We are still kicking around some different
options.  Though we are getting a lot of good feedback already on long
links with AF5.

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:

> I would like a pro grade AF5 connectorized, for use with a pair of the 3'
> Jirous high performance antennas. Each link would need 4 dishes but you'd
> be able to go a lot further than the current af5 antenna size.
> On Dec 10, 2014 10:05 PM, "Mathew Howard via Af"  wrote:
>
>>  PtMP based on the airfiber in 3.65ghz would seem like a good fit, with
>> the new rules that are (hopefully) coming...
>>
>> licensed also seems like an obvious place to go with airfiber.
>>
>>  --
>> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af [
>> af@afmug.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:42 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>
>>   I'd be incredibly surprised if they didn't do a ptmp.
>>
>> Not sure a revamped 24GHz is in consideration when there's so many other
>> bands they could release equipment for.
>>
>> Maybe licensed? Hr...
>>
>> One can hope, right?
>>
>> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>>
>> On 12/10/2014 08:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote:
>>
>> I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the
>> 100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit
>> backhaul...  I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released
>>> in the next 12-18 months.
>>>
>>> If not sooner.
>>>
>>> Now... what would those be?
>>>
>>> Hrm.
>>>
>>>  josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>>>
>>>  On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
>>>
>>>  I don’t know what you are talking about.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds via Af
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is
>>> silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing.
>>>
>>> :P
>>>
>>>  josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>>>
>>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>>>
>>> On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
>>>
>>> I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac
>>> vendors are seeing with the new OOBE rules.  The 450 is able to provide a
>>> better performance within the new environment so there will still be a
>>> differentiator.  The only question if it’s worth the difference.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Stefan Englhardt via Af
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM
>>> *To:* Josh Luthman via Af
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> .AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. Others
>>> do. epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and
>>> applications where 450 does not meet the price point.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>>> *Gesendet:* ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎04‎:‎00
>>> *An:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would
>>> be
>>> fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do
>>> when
>>> it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to
>>> outshine
>>> the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC
>>> ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc).
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >  The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>>> > *Gesendet:* ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎01‎:‎39
>>> > *An:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>>> >
>>> > I hope Cambium is listing on this point.
>>> >
>>> > Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg
>>> price
>>> > point.
>>> >
>>> > They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too.
>>> >
>>> > Tushar
>>> >
>>> > -Original Message-
>>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On
>>> Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM
>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>> >
>>> > > Yes no maybe.
>>> >
>>> > I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the
>>> competitive
>>> > fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed
>>> licenses.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Eric Kuhnke via Af]

I would like a pro grade AF5 connectorized, for use with a pair of the 3'
Jirous high performance antennas. Each link would need 4 dishes but you'd
be able to go a lot further than the current af5 antenna size.
On Dec 10, 2014 10:05 PM, "Mathew Howard via Af"  wrote:

>  PtMP based on the airfiber in 3.65ghz would seem like a good fit, with
> the new rules that are (hopefully) coming...
>
> licensed also seems like an obvious place to go with airfiber.
>
>  --
> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af [
> af@afmug.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
>   I'd be incredibly surprised if they didn't do a ptmp.
>
> Not sure a revamped 24GHz is in consideration when there's so many other
> bands they could release equipment for.
>
> Maybe licensed? Hr...
>
> One can hope, right?
>
> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>
> On 12/10/2014 08:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote:
>
> I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the
> 100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit
> backhaul...  I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well.
>
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
> wrote:
>
>>  I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released
>> in the next 12-18 months.
>>
>> If not sooner.
>>
>> Now... what would those be?
>>
>> Hrm.
>>
>>  josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>>
>>  On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
>>
>>  I don’t know what you are talking about.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds via Af
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is
>> silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing.
>>
>> :P
>>
>>  josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>>
>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>>
>> On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
>>
>> I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac
>> vendors are seeing with the new OOBE rules.  The 450 is able to provide a
>> better performance within the new environment so there will still be a
>> differentiator.  The only question if it’s worth the difference.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Stefan Englhardt via Af
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM
>> *To:* Josh Luthman via Af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>
>>
>>
>> .AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. Others
>> do. epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and
>> applications where 450 does not meet the price point.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>> *Gesendet:* ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎04‎:‎00
>> *An:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>>
>>
>>
>> An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would
>> be
>> fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when
>> it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to
>> outshine
>> the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC
>> ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc).
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >  The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac.
>> >
>> >
>> > *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>> > *Gesendet:* ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎01‎:‎39
>> > *An:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>> >
>> > I hope Cambium is listing on this point.
>> >
>> > Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price
>> > point.
>> >
>> > They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too.
>> >
>> > Tushar
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On
>> Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af
>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>> >
>> > > Yes no maybe.
>> >
>> > I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the
>> competitive
>> > fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed
>> licenses.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Mike Hammett via Af]

Some of my suggestions are purely stuff I want. Some is stuff I want that I 
received what I consider positive feedback on. Some are things I know of, but 
aren't saying so I just ask for them. ;-) 



I know it's in good fun. Well. I hope anyway. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Ben Moore via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:43:54 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 


All in good fun! ;) 


BTW - I like the "suggestions" that are being made for future products. 


On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Ben Moore < ben.mo...@ubnt.com > wrote: 



We have a running Mike list ;) 




On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Mike Hammett via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 




Hey, hey, hey. 

I may have been very vocal about wanting a change of direction on something 
(and countless other things, I'm sure). Wait, do you have a count there? A 
whiteboard with tally marks for each time I've been "bold" regarding some UBNT 
position or product? Hrm.. Anyway, but I also commend when good and when the 
one thread kept going after we had the concession from Robert... I asked 
everyone (more than once) to close the thread. We got what we wanted, now shut 
up. 

As you noticed, I'm like that to other manufacturers a well. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



From: "Ben Moore via Af" < af@afmug.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:36:53 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 


Does it matter if he asked? Mike has been naughty this year... ;-) 


On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:30 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af < af@afmug.com > 
wrote: 





Have you asked Santa? :) 



- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett via Af 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:39 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 


I want a bigger AF5. :-\ 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



From: "Keefe John via Af" < af@afmug.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:36:35 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 

Maybe it could be an integrated solution with only one 'dish' vs the dogbone 
design. I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate a smaller AF5--even if it had 
less throughput/distance. 

Keefe 


On 12/11/2014 8:29 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: 



via license? *ducking* 

It could be lower end hardware, though I don't know how the costs of design and 
manufacture change. Lower throughput may allow for smaller, cheaper processors. 
Smaller processors use less power, so smaller power supply? I'm no engineer, so 
I can't tell you how much this would or would not change the price. 

Something that only does 10 MHz wide? 

I don't know their cost to manufacture, so I don't know how low they can go 
with the existing hardware and still make money. 



On the license front, I think people don't like the Cambium license system 
because the base unit is too slow and there are too many units. I think Gino's 
got something with a $1k 200 meg unit. Would be great for (business) customer 
installs. Maybe just one license to go from Lite to Full? Two things to keep 
track of, not several. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



From: "Gino Villarini via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:20:01 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 




I asked this and got a negative response… UBNT should work o AF24 2 with 1 Gig 
capacity and a AF24Lite for 200-500 Mbps capacity for $1k link 







Gino A. Villarini 
President 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
www.aeronetpr.com 
@aeronetpr 






From: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 9:27 AM 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 





Could they increase the QAM on the current AF24 to match that of the AF5 and at 
least do 1 gigabit FDX on the current shipping hardware? Not sure how 
increasing QAM levels work in FPGA land. 




----- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



From: "Colin Stanners via Af" < af@afmug.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:19:46 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 


I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 100mhz 
channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit backhaul... 
I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well. 



On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af < af@afmug.com > wr

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Josh Luthman via Af]

Oh that's great, at least I can safely assume it isn't fullyet...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Ben Moore via Af  wrote:

> We have a whole wall for you... ;)
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:
>
>> Oh god has my white board turned into a black board?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Ben Moore via Af  wrote:
>>
>>> We have a running Mike list ;)
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Mike Hammett via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey, hey, hey.
>>>>
>>>> I may have been very vocal about wanting a change of direction on
>>>> something (and countless other things, I'm sure). Wait, do you have a count
>>>> there? A whiteboard with tally marks for each time I've been "bold"
>>>> regarding some UBNT position or product? Hrm..  Anyway, but I also commend
>>>> when good and when the one thread kept going after we had the concession
>>>> from Robert... I asked everyone (more than once) to close the thread. We
>>>> got what we wanted, now shut up.
>>>>
>>>> As you noticed, I'm like that to other manufacturers a well.  ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"Ben Moore via Af" 
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:36:53 AM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>>>
>>>> Does it matter if he asked?  Mike has been naughty this year...  ;-)
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:30 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you asked Santa? :)
>>>>>
>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett via Af 
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:39 AM
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>>>>
>>>>> I want a bigger AF5. :-\
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *From: *"Keefe John via Af" 
>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:36:35 AM
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe it could be an integrated solution with only one 'dish' vs the
>>>>> dogbone design.  I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate a smaller
>>>>> AF5--even if it had less throughput/distance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keefe
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/11/2014 8:29 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> via license?  *ducking*
>>>>>
>>>>> It could be lower end hardware, though I don't know how the costs of
>>>>> design and manufacture change. Lower throughput may allow for smaller,
>>>>> cheaper processors. Smaller processors use less power, so smaller power
>>>>> supply? I'm no engineer, so I can't tell you how much this would or would
>>>>> not change the price.
>>>>>
>>>>> Something that only does 10 MHz wide?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know their cost to manufacture, so I don't know how low they
>>>>> can go with the existing hardware and still make money.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On the license front, I think people don't like the Cambium license
>>>>> system because the base unit is too slow and there are too many units. I
>>>>> think Gino's got something with a $1k 200 meg unit. Would be great for
>>>>> (business) customer installs. Maybe just one license to go from Lite to
>>>>> Full? Two things to keep track of, not several.
>&g

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Ben Moore via Af]

We have a whole wall for you... ;)

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:

> Oh god has my white board turned into a black board?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Ben Moore via Af  wrote:
>
>> We have a running Mike list ;)
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Mike Hammett via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey, hey, hey.
>>>
>>> I may have been very vocal about wanting a change of direction on
>>> something (and countless other things, I'm sure). Wait, do you have a count
>>> there? A whiteboard with tally marks for each time I've been "bold"
>>> regarding some UBNT position or product? Hrm..  Anyway, but I also commend
>>> when good and when the one thread kept going after we had the concession
>>> from Robert... I asked everyone (more than once) to close the thread. We
>>> got what we wanted, now shut up.
>>>
>>> As you noticed, I'm like that to other manufacturers a well.  ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Ben Moore via Af" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:36:53 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>>
>>> Does it matter if he asked?  Mike has been naughty this year...  ;-)
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:30 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Have you asked Santa? :)
>>>>
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett via Af 
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:39 AM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>>>
>>>> I want a bigger AF5. :-\
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"Keefe John via Af" 
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:36:35 AM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>>>
>>>> Maybe it could be an integrated solution with only one 'dish' vs the
>>>> dogbone design.  I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate a smaller
>>>> AF5--even if it had less throughput/distance.
>>>>
>>>> Keefe
>>>>
>>>> On 12/11/2014 8:29 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
>>>>
>>>> via license?  *ducking*
>>>>
>>>> It could be lower end hardware, though I don't know how the costs of
>>>> design and manufacture change. Lower throughput may allow for smaller,
>>>> cheaper processors. Smaller processors use less power, so smaller power
>>>> supply? I'm no engineer, so I can't tell you how much this would or would
>>>> not change the price.
>>>>
>>>> Something that only does 10 MHz wide?
>>>>
>>>> I don't know their cost to manufacture, so I don't know how low they
>>>> can go with the existing hardware and still make money.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On the license front, I think people don't like the Cambium license
>>>> system because the base unit is too slow and there are too many units. I
>>>> think Gino's got something with a $1k 200 meg unit. Would be great for
>>>> (business) customer installs. Maybe just one license to go from Lite to
>>>> Full? Two things to keep track of, not several.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"Gino Villarini via Af"  
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:20:01 AM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>>>
>>>>  I asked this and got a negative response… UBNT should work o AF24 2
>>>> with 1 Gig capacity and a AF24Lite for 200-500 Mbps capacity for $1k link

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Josh Luthman via Af]

Oh god has my white board turned into a black board?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Ben Moore via Af  wrote:

> We have a running Mike list ;)
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>
>> Hey, hey, hey.
>>
>> I may have been very vocal about wanting a change of direction on
>> something (and countless other things, I'm sure). Wait, do you have a count
>> there? A whiteboard with tally marks for each time I've been "bold"
>> regarding some UBNT position or product? Hrm..  Anyway, but I also commend
>> when good and when the one thread kept going after we had the concession
>> from Robert... I asked everyone (more than once) to close the thread. We
>> got what we wanted, now shut up.
>>
>> As you noticed, I'm like that to other manufacturers a well.  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> ------------------
>> *From: *"Ben Moore via Af" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:36:53 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>
>> Does it matter if he asked?  Mike has been naughty this year...  ;-)
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:30 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Have you asked Santa? :)
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Mike Hammett via Af 
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:39 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>>
>>> I want a bigger AF5. :-\
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Keefe John via Af" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:36:35 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>>
>>> Maybe it could be an integrated solution with only one 'dish' vs the
>>> dogbone design.  I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate a smaller
>>> AF5--even if it had less throughput/distance.
>>>
>>> Keefe
>>>
>>> On 12/11/2014 8:29 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
>>>
>>> via license?  *ducking*
>>>
>>> It could be lower end hardware, though I don't know how the costs of
>>> design and manufacture change. Lower throughput may allow for smaller,
>>> cheaper processors. Smaller processors use less power, so smaller power
>>> supply? I'm no engineer, so I can't tell you how much this would or would
>>> not change the price.
>>>
>>> Something that only does 10 MHz wide?
>>>
>>> I don't know their cost to manufacture, so I don't know how low they can
>>> go with the existing hardware and still make money.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On the license front, I think people don't like the Cambium license
>>> system because the base unit is too slow and there are too many units. I
>>> think Gino's got something with a $1k 200 meg unit. Would be great for
>>> (business) customer installs. Maybe just one license to go from Lite to
>>> Full? Two things to keep track of, not several.
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Gino Villarini via Af"  
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:20:01 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>>
>>>  I asked this and got a negative response… UBNT should work o AF24 2
>>> with 1 Gig capacity and a AF24Lite for 200-500 Mbps capacity for $1k link
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> President
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>> @aeronetpr
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 9:27 AM
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>>
>>>  Could they increase the QAM on the current AF24 to 

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Ben Moore via Af]

All in good fun! ;)

BTW - I like the "suggestions" that are being made for future products.

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Ben Moore  wrote:

> We have a running Mike list ;)
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>
>> Hey, hey, hey.
>>
>> I may have been very vocal about wanting a change of direction on
>> something (and countless other things, I'm sure). Wait, do you have a count
>> there? A whiteboard with tally marks for each time I've been "bold"
>> regarding some UBNT position or product? Hrm..  Anyway, but I also commend
>> when good and when the one thread kept going after we had the concession
>> from Robert... I asked everyone (more than once) to close the thread. We
>> got what we wanted, now shut up.
>>
>> As you noticed, I'm like that to other manufacturers a well.  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> ----------
>> *From: *"Ben Moore via Af" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:36:53 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>
>> Does it matter if he asked?  Mike has been naughty this year...  ;-)
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:30 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Have you asked Santa? :)
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Mike Hammett via Af 
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:39 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>>
>>> I want a bigger AF5. :-\
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Keefe John via Af" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:36:35 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>>
>>> Maybe it could be an integrated solution with only one 'dish' vs the
>>> dogbone design.  I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate a smaller
>>> AF5--even if it had less throughput/distance.
>>>
>>> Keefe
>>>
>>> On 12/11/2014 8:29 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
>>>
>>> via license?  *ducking*
>>>
>>> It could be lower end hardware, though I don't know how the costs of
>>> design and manufacture change. Lower throughput may allow for smaller,
>>> cheaper processors. Smaller processors use less power, so smaller power
>>> supply? I'm no engineer, so I can't tell you how much this would or would
>>> not change the price.
>>>
>>> Something that only does 10 MHz wide?
>>>
>>> I don't know their cost to manufacture, so I don't know how low they can
>>> go with the existing hardware and still make money.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On the license front, I think people don't like the Cambium license
>>> system because the base unit is too slow and there are too many units. I
>>> think Gino's got something with a $1k 200 meg unit. Would be great for
>>> (business) customer installs. Maybe just one license to go from Lite to
>>> Full? Two things to keep track of, not several.
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Gino Villarini via Af"  
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:20:01 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>>
>>>  I asked this and got a negative response… UBNT should work o AF24 2
>>> with 1 Gig capacity and a AF24Lite for 200-500 Mbps capacity for $1k link
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> President
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>> @aeronetpr
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 9:27 AM
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>>
>>>  Could they increase the QAM on the current AF24 to match that of the
>>> AF5 and at 

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Ben Moore via Af]

We have a running Mike list ;)

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

> Hey, hey, hey.
>
> I may have been very vocal about wanting a change of direction on
> something (and countless other things, I'm sure). Wait, do you have a count
> there? A whiteboard with tally marks for each time I've been "bold"
> regarding some UBNT position or product? Hrm..  Anyway, but I also commend
> when good and when the one thread kept going after we had the concession
> from Robert... I asked everyone (more than once) to close the thread. We
> got what we wanted, now shut up.
>
> As you noticed, I'm like that to other manufacturers a well.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Ben Moore via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:36:53 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
> Does it matter if he asked?  Mike has been naughty this year...  ;-)
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:30 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Have you asked Santa? :)
>>
>> - Original Message -----
>> *From:* Mike Hammett via Af 
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:39 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>
>> I want a bigger AF5. :-\
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Keefe John via Af" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:36:35 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>
>> Maybe it could be an integrated solution with only one 'dish' vs the
>> dogbone design.  I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate a smaller
>> AF5--even if it had less throughput/distance.
>>
>> Keefe
>>
>> On 12/11/2014 8:29 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
>>
>> via license?  *ducking*
>>
>> It could be lower end hardware, though I don't know how the costs of
>> design and manufacture change. Lower throughput may allow for smaller,
>> cheaper processors. Smaller processors use less power, so smaller power
>> supply? I'm no engineer, so I can't tell you how much this would or would
>> not change the price.
>>
>> Something that only does 10 MHz wide?
>>
>> I don't know their cost to manufacture, so I don't know how low they can
>> go with the existing hardware and still make money.
>>
>>
>>
>> On the license front, I think people don't like the Cambium license
>> system because the base unit is too slow and there are too many units. I
>> think Gino's got something with a $1k 200 meg unit. Would be great for
>> (business) customer installs. Maybe just one license to go from Lite to
>> Full? Two things to keep track of, not several.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Gino Villarini via Af"  
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:20:01 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>
>>  I asked this and got a negative response… UBNT should work o AF24 2
>> with 1 Gig capacity and a AF24Lite for 200-500 Mbps capacity for $1k link
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>
>>
>> From: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 9:27 AM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>
>>  Could they increase the QAM on the current AF24 to match that of the
>> AF5 and at least do 1 gigabit FDX on the current shipping hardware? Not
>> sure how increasing QAM levels work in FPGA land.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Colin Stanners via Af" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:19:46 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>
>> I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the
>> 100mhz channels both ways that'll a

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Mike Hammett via Af]

Hey, hey, hey. 

I may have been very vocal about wanting a change of direction on something 
(and countless other things, I'm sure). Wait, do you have a count there? A 
whiteboard with tally marks for each time I've been "bold" regarding some UBNT 
position or product? Hrm.. Anyway, but I also commend when good and when the 
one thread kept going after we had the concession from Robert... I asked 
everyone (more than once) to close the thread. We got what we wanted, now shut 
up. 

As you noticed, I'm like that to other manufacturers a well. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Ben Moore via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:36:53 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 


Does it matter if he asked? Mike has been naughty this year... ;-) 


On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:30 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af < af@afmug.com > 
wrote: 





Have you asked Santa? :) 



- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett via Af 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:39 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 


I want a bigger AF5. :-\ 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



From: "Keefe John via Af" < af@afmug.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:36:35 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 

Maybe it could be an integrated solution with only one 'dish' vs the dogbone 
design. I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate a smaller AF5--even if it had 
less throughput/distance. 

Keefe 


On 12/11/2014 8:29 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: 



via license? *ducking* 

It could be lower end hardware, though I don't know how the costs of design and 
manufacture change. Lower throughput may allow for smaller, cheaper processors. 
Smaller processors use less power, so smaller power supply? I'm no engineer, so 
I can't tell you how much this would or would not change the price. 

Something that only does 10 MHz wide? 

I don't know their cost to manufacture, so I don't know how low they can go 
with the existing hardware and still make money. 



On the license front, I think people don't like the Cambium license system 
because the base unit is too slow and there are too many units. I think Gino's 
got something with a $1k 200 meg unit. Would be great for (business) customer 
installs. Maybe just one license to go from Lite to Full? Two things to keep 
track of, not several. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



From: "Gino Villarini via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:20:01 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 




I asked this and got a negative response… UBNT should work o AF24 2 with 1 Gig 
capacity and a AF24Lite for 200-500 Mbps capacity for $1k link 







Gino A. Villarini 
President 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
www.aeronetpr.com 
@aeronetpr 






From: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 9:27 AM 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 





Could they increase the QAM on the current AF24 to match that of the AF5 and at 
least do 1 gigabit FDX on the current shipping hardware? Not sure how 
increasing QAM levels work in FPGA land. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



From: "Colin Stanners via Af" < af@afmug.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:19:46 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 


I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 100mhz 
channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit backhaul... 
I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well. 



On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 




I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released in the 
next 12-18 months. 

If not sooner. 

Now... what would those be? 

Hrm. 

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com 

On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: 






I don’t know what you are talking about. 

Rory 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 


I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is silently 
sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing. 

:P 

josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com 
On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wro

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Ben Moore via Af]

Does it matter if he asked?  Mike has been naughty this year...  ;-)

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:30 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af 
wrote:

>
> Have you asked Santa? :)
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Mike Hammett via Af 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:39 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
> I want a bigger AF5. :-\
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Keefe John via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:36:35 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
> Maybe it could be an integrated solution with only one 'dish' vs the
> dogbone design.  I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate a smaller
> AF5--even if it had less throughput/distance.
>
> Keefe
>
> On 12/11/2014 8:29 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
>
> via license?  *ducking*
>
> It could be lower end hardware, though I don't know how the costs of
> design and manufacture change. Lower throughput may allow for smaller,
> cheaper processors. Smaller processors use less power, so smaller power
> supply? I'm no engineer, so I can't tell you how much this would or would
> not change the price.
>
> Something that only does 10 MHz wide?
>
> I don't know their cost to manufacture, so I don't know how low they can
> go with the existing hardware and still make money.
>
>
>
> On the license front, I think people don't like the Cambium license system
> because the base unit is too slow and there are too many units. I think
> Gino's got something with a $1k 200 meg unit. Would be great for (business)
> customer installs. Maybe just one license to go from Lite to Full? Two
> things to keep track of, not several.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Gino Villarini via Af"  
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:20:01 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
>  I asked this and got a negative response… UBNT should work o AF24 2 with
> 1 Gig capacity and a AF24Lite for 200-500 Mbps capacity for $1k link
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
> From: "af@afmug.com" 
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 9:27 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
>  Could they increase the QAM on the current AF24 to match that of the AF5
> and at least do 1 gigabit FDX on the current shipping hardware? Not sure
> how increasing QAM levels work in FPGA land.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Colin Stanners via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:19:46 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
> I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the
> 100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit
> backhaul...  I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well.
>
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
> wrote:
>
>>  I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released
>> in the next 12-18 months.
>>
>> If not sooner.
>>
>> Now... what would those be?
>>
>> Hrm.
>>
>> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>>
>>  On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
>>
>>  I don’t know what you are talking about.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds via Af
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is
>> silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing.
>>
>> :P
>>
>> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>>
>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>>
>> On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
>>
>> I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac
>> vendors are seeing with the new OOBE

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Gino Villarini via Af]

bingo



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 12:02 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

My arguments against it are that the gain is too small for long distance shots 
and the gain is too small to avoid urban noise.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Brett A Mansfield via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:14:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

The AF5 is too much money for a backhaul in an already overused frequency I 
think.

Besides, I have a link with the RM5AC-lites using the original rocket dish 5G30 
and getting a consistent 300Mbps for a mere $500. Put two of those links into 
an aggregate and get basically the same thing at half the price. My latency is 
1-2ms on a 3 mile link. I do have them shielded though. Without the shielding I 
was lucky if I got 150Mb.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Dec 11, 2014, at 7:48 AM, Gino Villarini via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

It seems that af5 has not sold as well as forecasted? Lots of “sales” going 
around



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 10:43 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I know, but Keefe mentioned AF5, so I was responding to that.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

________
From: "Gino Villarini via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:41:24 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

Im talking af24…



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 10:39 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I want a bigger AF5. :-\



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Keefe John via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:36:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

Maybe it could be an integrated solution with only one 'dish' vs the dogbone 
design.  I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate a smaller AF5--even if it 
had less throughput/distance.

Keefe

On 12/11/2014 8:29 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
via license?  *ducking*

It could be lower end hardware, though I don't know how the costs of design and 
manufacture change. Lower throughput may allow for smaller, cheaper processors. 
Smaller processors use less power, so smaller power supply? I'm no engineer, so 
I can't tell you how much this would or would not change the price.

Something that only does 10 MHz wide?

I don't know their cost to manufacture, so I don't know how low they can go 
with the existing hardware and still make money.



On the license front, I think people don't like the Cambium license system 
because the base unit is too slow and there are too many units. I think Gino's 
got something with a $1k 200 meg unit. Would be great for (business) customer 
installs. Maybe just one license to go from Lite to Full? Two things to keep 
track of, not several.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Gino Villarini via Af" <mailto:af@afmug.com>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:20:01 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I asked this and got a negative response… UBNT should work o AF24 2 with 1 Gig 
capacity and a AF24Lite for 200-500 Mbps capacity for $1k link



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: "af@afmug.com<mailto:

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[CBB - Jay Fuller via Af]

Have you asked Santa? :)

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike Hammett via Af 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:39 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..


  I want a bigger AF5. :-\




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



--

  From: "Keefe John via Af" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:36:35 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

  Maybe it could be an integrated solution with only one 'dish' vs the dogbone 
design.  I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate a smaller AF5--even if it 
had less throughput/distance.

  Keefe


  On 12/11/2014 8:29 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:

via license?  *ducking*

It could be lower end hardware, though I don't know how the costs of design 
and manufacture change. Lower throughput may allow for smaller, cheaper 
processors. Smaller processors use less power, so smaller power supply? I'm no 
engineer, so I can't tell you how much this would or would not change the price.

Something that only does 10 MHz wide?

I don't know their cost to manufacture, so I don't know how low they can go 
with the existing hardware and still make money.



On the license front, I think people don't like the Cambium license system 
because the base unit is too slow and there are too many units. I think Gino's 
got something with a $1k 200 meg unit. Would be great for (business) customer 
installs. Maybe just one license to go from Lite to Full? Two things to keep 
track of, not several.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: "Gino Villarini via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
    Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:20:01 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..


I asked this and got a negative response… UBNT should work o AF24 2 with 1 
Gig capacity and a AF24Lite for 200-500 Mbps capacity for $1k link






Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com   
@aeronetpr






From: "af@afmug.com" 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
    Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 9:27 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..



Could they increase the QAM on the current AF24 to match that of the AF5 
and at least do 1 gigabit FDX on the current shipping hardware? Not sure how 
increasing QAM levels work in FPGA land.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: "Colin Stanners via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:19:46 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..


I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 
100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit 
backhaul...  I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well.



On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af  wrote:

  I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released in 
the next 12-18 months.

  If not sooner.

  Now... what would those be?

  Hrm.


josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comOn 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af 
wrote:

I don’t know what you are talking about.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..



I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is 
silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing.

:P



josh reynolds :: chief information officerspitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comOn 
12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:

  I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 
802.11ac vendors are seeing with the new OOBE rules.  The 450 is able to 
provide a better performance within the new environment so there will still be 
a differentiator.  The only question if it’s worth the difference.



  Rory



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt 
via Af
  Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM
  To: Josh Luthman via Af
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..



  .AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. 
Others do. epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and 
app

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Mike Hammett via Af]

My arguments against it are that the gain is too small for long distance shots 
and the gain is too small to avoid urban noise. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Brett A Mansfield via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:14:07 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 


The AF5 is too much money for a backhaul in an already overused frequency I 
think. 


Besides, I have a link with the RM5AC-lites using the original rocket dish 5G30 
and getting a consistent 300Mbps for a mere $500. Put two of those links into 
an aggregate and get basically the same thing at half the price. My latency is 
1-2ms on a 3 mile link. I do have them shielded though. Without the shielding I 
was lucky if I got 150Mb. 

Thank you, 
Brett A Mansfield 

On Dec 11, 2014, at 7:48 AM, Gino Villarini via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 







It seems that af5 has not sold as well as forecasted? Lots of “sales” going 
around 







Gino A. Villarini 
President 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
www.aeronetpr.com 
@aeronetpr 






From: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 10:43 AM 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 





I know, but Keefe mentioned AF5, so I was responding to that. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Gino Villarini via Af" < af@afmug.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:41:24 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 




Im talking af24… 







Gino A. Villarini 
President 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
www.aeronetpr.com 
@aeronetpr 






From: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 10:39 AM 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 





I want a bigger AF5. :-\ 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Keefe John via Af" < af@afmug.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:36:35 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 

Maybe it could be an integrated solution with only one 'dish' vs the dogbone 
design. I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate a smaller AF5--even if it had 
less throughput/distance. 

Keefe 


On 12/11/2014 8:29 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: 



via license? *ducking* 

It could be lower end hardware, though I don't know how the costs of design and 
manufacture change. Lower throughput may allow for smaller, cheaper processors. 
Smaller processors use less power, so smaller power supply? I'm no engineer, so 
I can't tell you how much this would or would not change the price. 

Something that only does 10 MHz wide? 

I don't know their cost to manufacture, so I don't know how low they can go 
with the existing hardware and still make money. 



On the license front, I think people don't like the Cambium license system 
because the base unit is too slow and there are too many units. I think Gino's 
got something with a $1k 200 meg unit. Would be great for (business) customer 
installs. Maybe just one license to go from Lite to Full? Two things to keep 
track of, not several. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Gino Villarini via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:20:01 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 




I asked this and got a negative response… UBNT should work o AF24 2 with 1 Gig 
capacity and a AF24Lite for 200-500 Mbps capacity for $1k link 







Gino A. Villarini 
President 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
www.aeronetpr.com 
@aeronetpr 






From: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 9:27 AM 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 





Could they increase the QAM on the current AF24 to match that of the AF5 and at 
least do 1 gigabit FDX on the current shipping hardware? Not sure how 
increasing QAM levels work in FPGA land. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Colin Stanners via Af" < af@afmug.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:19:46 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 


I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Brett A Mansfield via Af]

The AF5 is too much money for a backhaul in an already overused frequency I 
think.

Besides, I have a link with the RM5AC-lites using the original rocket dish 5G30 
and getting a consistent 300Mbps for a mere $500. Put two of those links into 
an aggregate and get basically the same thing at half the price. My latency is 
1-2ms on a 3 mile link. I do have them shielded though. Without the shielding I 
was lucky if I got 150Mb.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Dec 11, 2014, at 7:48 AM, Gino Villarini via Af  wrote:
> 
> It seems that af5 has not sold as well as forecasted? Lots of “sales” going 
> around
> 
> 
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com   
> @aeronetpr
> 
> 
> 
> From: "af@afmug.com" 
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 10:43 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
> 
> I know, but Keefe mentioned AF5, so I was responding to that.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> From: "Gino Villarini via Af" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:41:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
> 
> Im talking af24…
> 
> 
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com   
> @aeronetpr
> 
> 
> 
> From: "af@afmug.com" 
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 10:39 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
> 
> I want a bigger AF5. :-\
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> From: "Keefe John via Af" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:36:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
> 
> Maybe it could be an integrated solution with only one 'dish' vs the dogbone 
> design.  I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate a smaller AF5--even if it 
> had less throughput/distance.
> 
> Keefe
> 
> On 12/11/2014 8:29 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
> via license?  *ducking*
> 
> It could be lower end hardware, though I don't know how the costs of design 
> and manufacture change. Lower throughput may allow for smaller, cheaper 
> processors. Smaller processors use less power, so smaller power supply? I'm 
> no engineer, so I can't tell you how much this would or would not change the 
> price.
> 
> Something that only does 10 MHz wide?
> 
> I don't know their cost to manufacture, so I don't know how low they can go 
> with the existing hardware and still make money.
> 
> 
> 
> On the license front, I think people don't like the Cambium license system 
> because the base unit is too slow and there are too many units. I think 
> Gino's got something with a $1k 200 meg unit. Would be great for (business) 
> customer installs. Maybe just one license to go from Lite to Full? Two things 
> to keep track of, not several.
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> From: "Gino Villarini via Af" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:20:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
> 
> I asked this and got a negative response… UBNT should work o AF24 2 with 1 
> Gig capacity and a AF24Lite for 200-500 Mbps capacity for $1k link
> 
> 
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com   
> @aeronetpr
> 
> 
> 
> From: "af@afmug.com" 
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 9:27 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
> 
> Could they increase the QAM on the current AF24 to match that of the AF5 and 
> at least do 1 gigabit FDX on the current shipping hardware? Not sure how 
> increasing QAM levels work in FPGA land.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> From: "Colin Stanners via Af" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:19:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
> 
> I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 100mhz 
> channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit 
> backhaul...  I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well.
> 
>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af  wrote:
>> I

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Gino Villarini via Af]

It seems that af5 has not sold as well as forecasted? Lots of “sales” going 
around



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 10:43 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I know, but Keefe mentioned AF5, so I was responding to that.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Gino Villarini via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:41:24 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

Im talking af24…



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 10:39 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I want a bigger AF5. :-\



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

____
From: "Keefe John via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:36:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

Maybe it could be an integrated solution with only one 'dish' vs the dogbone 
design.  I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate a smaller AF5--even if it 
had less throughput/distance.

Keefe

On 12/11/2014 8:29 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
via license?  *ducking*

It could be lower end hardware, though I don't know how the costs of design and 
manufacture change. Lower throughput may allow for smaller, cheaper processors. 
Smaller processors use less power, so smaller power supply? I'm no engineer, so 
I can't tell you how much this would or would not change the price.

Something that only does 10 MHz wide?

I don't know their cost to manufacture, so I don't know how low they can go 
with the existing hardware and still make money.



On the license front, I think people don't like the Cambium license system 
because the base unit is too slow and there are too many units. I think Gino's 
got something with a $1k 200 meg unit. Would be great for (business) customer 
installs. Maybe just one license to go from Lite to Full? Two things to keep 
track of, not several.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Gino Villarini via Af" <mailto:af@afmug.com>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:20:01 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I asked this and got a negative response… UBNT should work o AF24 2 with 1 Gig 
capacity and a AF24Lite for 200-500 Mbps capacity for $1k link



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 9:27 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

Could they increase the QAM on the current AF24 to match that of the AF5 and at 
least do 1 gigabit FDX on the current shipping hardware? Not sure how 
increasing QAM levels work in FPGA land.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Colin Stanners via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:19:46 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 100mhz 
channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit backhaul...  
I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well.

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released in the 
next 12-18 months.

If not sooner.

Now... what would those be?

Hrm.....


josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
I don’t know what you are talking about.

Rory

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Mike Hammett via Af]

I know, but Keefe mentioned AF5, so I was responding to that. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Gino Villarini via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:41:24 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 




Im talking af24… 







Gino A. Villarini 
President 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
www.aeronetpr.com 
@aeronetpr 






From: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 10:39 AM 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 





I want a bigger AF5. :-\ 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Keefe John via Af" < af@afmug.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:36:35 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 

Maybe it could be an integrated solution with only one 'dish' vs the dogbone 
design. I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate a smaller AF5--even if it had 
less throughput/distance. 

Keefe 


On 12/11/2014 8:29 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: 



via license? *ducking* 

It could be lower end hardware, though I don't know how the costs of design and 
manufacture change. Lower throughput may allow for smaller, cheaper processors. 
Smaller processors use less power, so smaller power supply? I'm no engineer, so 
I can't tell you how much this would or would not change the price. 

Something that only does 10 MHz wide? 

I don't know their cost to manufacture, so I don't know how low they can go 
with the existing hardware and still make money. 



On the license front, I think people don't like the Cambium license system 
because the base unit is too slow and there are too many units. I think Gino's 
got something with a $1k 200 meg unit. Would be great for (business) customer 
installs. Maybe just one license to go from Lite to Full? Two things to keep 
track of, not several. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Gino Villarini via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:20:01 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 




I asked this and got a negative response… UBNT should work o AF24 2 with 1 Gig 
capacity and a AF24Lite for 200-500 Mbps capacity for $1k link 







Gino A. Villarini 
President 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
www.aeronetpr.com 
@aeronetpr 






From: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 9:27 AM 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 





Could they increase the QAM on the current AF24 to match that of the AF5 and at 
least do 1 gigabit FDX on the current shipping hardware? Not sure how 
increasing QAM levels work in FPGA land. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Colin Stanners via Af" < af@afmug.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:19:46 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 


I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 100mhz 
channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit backhaul... 
I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well. 



On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 




I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released in the 
next 12-18 months. 

If not sooner. 

Now... what would those be? 

Hrm. 

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com 

On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: 






I don’t know what you are talking about. 

Rory 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 


I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is silently 
sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing. 

:P 

josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com 
On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: 


I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac vendors 
are seeing with the new OOBE rules. The 450 is able to provide a better 
performance within the new environment so there will still be a differentiator. 
The only question if it’s worth the difference. 

Rory 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt via Af 
Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Gino Villarini via Af]

Im talking af24…



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 10:39 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I want a bigger AF5. :-\



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Keefe John via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:36:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

Maybe it could be an integrated solution with only one 'dish' vs the dogbone 
design.  I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate a smaller AF5--even if it 
had less throughput/distance.

Keefe

On 12/11/2014 8:29 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
via license?  *ducking*

It could be lower end hardware, though I don't know how the costs of design and 
manufacture change. Lower throughput may allow for smaller, cheaper processors. 
Smaller processors use less power, so smaller power supply? I'm no engineer, so 
I can't tell you how much this would or would not change the price.

Something that only does 10 MHz wide?

I don't know their cost to manufacture, so I don't know how low they can go 
with the existing hardware and still make money.



On the license front, I think people don't like the Cambium license system 
because the base unit is too slow and there are too many units. I think Gino's 
got something with a $1k 200 meg unit. Would be great for (business) customer 
installs. Maybe just one license to go from Lite to Full? Two things to keep 
track of, not several.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Gino Villarini via Af" <mailto:af@afmug.com>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:20:01 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I asked this and got a negative response… UBNT should work o AF24 2 with 1 Gig 
capacity and a AF24Lite for 200-500 Mbps capacity for $1k link



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 9:27 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

Could they increase the QAM on the current AF24 to match that of the AF5 and at 
least do 1 gigabit FDX on the current shipping hardware? Not sure how 
increasing QAM levels work in FPGA land.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Colin Stanners via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:19:46 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 100mhz 
channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit backhaul...  
I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well.

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released in the 
next 12-18 months.

If not sooner.

Now... what would those be?

Hrm.


josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
I don’t know what you are talking about.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is silently 
sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing.

:P


josh reynolds :: chief information officer

spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com>
On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac vendors 
are seeing with the new OOBE rules.  The 450 is able to provide a better 
performance within the new environment so there will still be a differentiator. 
 The only question if it’s worth the difference.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Gino Villarini via Af]

I wonder how the upcoming wigig chipsets will impact the 60 ghz ptp market



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 10:30 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

Indeed it would.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Keefe John via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:25:22 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

A 60 ghz solution using two 1000 mhz channels giving us 10 gbps full duplex 
throughput would be awesome.

Keefe

On 12/10/2014 11:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote:
I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 100mhz 
channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit backhaul...  
I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well.

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released in the 
next 12-18 months.

If not sooner.

Now... what would those be?

Hrm.


josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
I don’t know what you are talking about.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is silently 
sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing.

:P


josh reynolds :: chief information officer

spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com>
On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac vendors 
are seeing with the new OOBE rules.  The 450 is able to provide a better 
performance within the new environment so there will still be a differentiator. 
 The only question if it’s worth the difference.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM
To: Josh Luthman via Af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

.AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. Others do. 
epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and applications 
where 450 does not meet the price point.

Von: Josh Luthman via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 04:00
An: Josh Luthman via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>

An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would be
fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when
it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to outshine
the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC
ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc).

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
wrote:

>  The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac.
>
>
> *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 01:39
> *An:* Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>
> I hope Cambium is listing on this point.
>
> Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price
> point.
>
> They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too.
>
> Tushar
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM
> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
> > Yes no maybe.
>
> I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the competitive
> fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed licenses.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Mike Hammett via Af]

I want a bigger AF5. :-\ 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Keefe John via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:36:35 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 

Maybe it could be an integrated solution with only one 'dish' vs the dogbone 
design. I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate a smaller AF5--even if it had 
less throughput/distance. 

Keefe 


On 12/11/2014 8:29 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: 



via license? *ducking* 

It could be lower end hardware, though I don't know how the costs of design and 
manufacture change. Lower throughput may allow for smaller, cheaper processors. 
Smaller processors use less power, so smaller power supply? I'm no engineer, so 
I can't tell you how much this would or would not change the price. 

Something that only does 10 MHz wide? 

I don't know their cost to manufacture, so I don't know how low they can go 
with the existing hardware and still make money. 



On the license front, I think people don't like the Cambium license system 
because the base unit is too slow and there are too many units. I think Gino's 
got something with a $1k 200 meg unit. Would be great for (business) customer 
installs. Maybe just one license to go from Lite to Full? Two things to keep 
track of, not several. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Gino Villarini via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:20:01 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 




I asked this and got a negative response… UBNT should work o AF24 2 with 1 Gig 
capacity and a AF24Lite for 200-500 Mbps capacity for $1k link 







Gino A. Villarini 
President 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
www.aeronetpr.com 
@aeronetpr 






From: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 9:27 AM 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 





Could they increase the QAM on the current AF24 to match that of the AF5 and at 
least do 1 gigabit FDX on the current shipping hardware? Not sure how 
increasing QAM levels work in FPGA land. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Colin Stanners via Af" < af@afmug.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:19:46 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 


I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 100mhz 
channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit backhaul... 
I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well. 



On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 




I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released in the 
next 12-18 months. 

If not sooner. 

Now... what would those be? 

Hrm. 

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com 

On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: 






I don’t know what you are talking about. 

Rory 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 


I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is silently 
sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing. 

:P 

josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com 
On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: 


I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac vendors 
are seeing with the new OOBE rules. The 450 is able to provide a better 
performance within the new environment so there will still be a differentiator. 
The only question if it’s worth the difference. 

Rory 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM 
To: Josh Luthman via Af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 



.AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. Others do. 
epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and applications 
where 450 does not meet the price point. 





Von: Josh Luthman via Af 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 04:00 
An: Josh Luthman via Af 




An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would be 
fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when 
it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to outshine 
the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC 
ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Gino Villarini via Af]

Not licensed based but smaller cheaper hw



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 10:21 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..


Why push Ubnt to fictitious licenses when we're trying to get Cambium to quit 
it?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 11, 2014 9:20 AM, "Gino Villarini via Af" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I asked this and got a negative response… UBNT should work o AF24 2 with 1 Gig 
capacity and a AF24Lite for 200-500 Mbps capacity for $1k link



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 9:27 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

Could they increase the QAM on the current AF24 to match that of the AF5 and at 
least do 1 gigabit FDX on the current shipping hardware? Not sure how 
increasing QAM levels work in FPGA land.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

____
From: "Colin Stanners via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:19:46 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 100mhz 
channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit backhaul...  
I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well.

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released in the 
next 12-18 months.

If not sooner.

Now... what would those be?

Hrm.


josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
I don’t know what you are talking about.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is silently 
sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing.

:P


josh reynolds :: chief information officer

spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com>
On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac vendors 
are seeing with the new OOBE rules.  The 450 is able to provide a better 
performance within the new environment so there will still be a differentiator. 
 The only question if it’s worth the difference.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM
To: Josh Luthman via Af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

.AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. Others do. 
epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and applications 
where 450 does not meet the price point.

Von: Josh Luthman via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 04:00
An: Josh Luthman via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>

An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would be
fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when
it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to outshine
the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC
ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc).

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
wrote:

>  The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac.
>
>
> *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 01:39
> *An:* Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>
> I hope Cambium is listing on this point.
>
> Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price
> point.
>
> They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too.
>
> Tushar
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM
> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
> > Yes no maybe.
>
> I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the competitive
> fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed licenses.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Keefe John via Af]

Maybe it could be an integrated solution with only one 'dish' vs the 
dogbone design.  I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate a smaller 
AF5--even if it had less throughput/distance.


Keefe

On 12/11/2014 8:29 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:

via license?  *ducking*

It could be lower end hardware, though I don't know how the costs of 
design and manufacture change. Lower throughput may allow for smaller, 
cheaper processors. Smaller processors use less power, so smaller 
power supply? I'm no engineer, so I can't tell you how much this would 
or would not change the price.


Something that only does 10 MHz wide?

I don't know their cost to manufacture, so I don't know how low they 
can go with the existing hardware and still make money.




On the license front, I think people don't like the Cambium license 
system because the base unit is too slow and there are too many units. 
I think Gino's got something with a $1k 200 meg unit. Would be great 
for (business) customer installs. Maybe just one license to go from 
Lite to Full? Two things to keep track of, not several.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *"Gino Villarini via Af" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:20:01 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I asked this and got a negative response… UBNT should work o AF24 2 
with 1 Gig capacity and a AF24Lite for 200-500 Mbps capacity for $1k link




Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <mailto:af@afmug.com>>

Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 9:27 AM
To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <mailto:af@afmug.com>>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

Could they increase the QAM on the current AF24 to match that of the 
AF5 and at least do 1 gigabit FDX on the current shipping hardware? 
Not sure how increasing QAM levels work in FPGA land.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *"Colin Stanners via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:19:46 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 
100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 
2.5gbit backhaul...  I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well.


On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


I'd guess there's going to be... a least3 AirFiber products
released in the next 12-18 months.

If not sooner.

Now... what would those be?

Hrm.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com  <http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:

I don’t know what you are talking about.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh
Reynolds via Af
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep
expanding) is silently sitting in their own little corner in
Chicago doing nothing.

:P

josh reynolds :: chief information officer

spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com  <http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:

I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all
the 802.11ac vendors are seeing with the new OOBE rules. 
The 450 is able to provide a better performance within the

new environment so there will still be a differentiator.
The only question if it’s worth the difference.

Rory

    *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Stefan Englhardt via Af
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM
*To:* Josh Luthman via Af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

.AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it
or not. Others do. epmp competes with 450 right now but
helps to keep customers and applications where 450 does
not meet the price point.

*Von:*Josh Luthman via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 04:00
  

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Mike Hammett via Af]

Indeed it would. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Keefe John via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:25:22 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 

A 60 ghz solution using two 1000 mhz channels giving us 10 gbps full duplex 
throughput would be awesome. 

Keefe 


On 12/10/2014 11:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote: 



I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 100mhz 
channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit backhaul... 
I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well. 



On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 




I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released in the 
next 12-18 months. 

If not sooner. 

Now... what would those be? 

Hrm. 

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com 

On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: 






I don’t know what you are talking about. 

Rory 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 


I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is silently 
sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing. 

:P 

josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com 
On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: 


I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac vendors 
are seeing with the new OOBE rules. The 450 is able to provide a better 
performance within the new environment so there will still be a differentiator. 
The only question if it’s worth the difference. 

Rory 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM 
To: Josh Luthman via Af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 



.AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. Others do. 
epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and applications 
where 450 does not meet the price point. 





Von: Josh Luthman via Af 
Gesendet: ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎04‎:‎00 
An: Josh Luthman via Af 




An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would be 
fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when 
it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to outshine 
the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC 
ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc). 

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af < af@afmug.com > 
wrote: 

> The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac. 
> 
> 
> *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af < af@afmug.com > 
> *Gesendet:* ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎01‎:‎39 
> *An:* Josh Luthman via Af < af@afmug.com > 
> 
> I hope Cambium is listing on this point. 
> 
> Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price 
> point. 
> 
> They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too. 
> 
> Tushar 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 
> 
> > Yes no maybe. 
> 
> I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the competitive 
> fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed licenses. 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Mike Hammett via Af]

via license? *ducking* 

It could be lower end hardware, though I don't know how the costs of design and 
manufacture change. Lower throughput may allow for smaller, cheaper processors. 
Smaller processors use less power, so smaller power supply? I'm no engineer, so 
I can't tell you how much this would or would not change the price. 

Something that only does 10 MHz wide? 

I don't know their cost to manufacture, so I don't know how low they can go 
with the existing hardware and still make money. 



On the license front, I think people don't like the Cambium license system 
because the base unit is too slow and there are too many units. I think Gino's 
got something with a $1k 200 meg unit. Would be great for (business) customer 
installs. Maybe just one license to go from Lite to Full? Two things to keep 
track of, not several. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Gino Villarini via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:20:01 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 




I asked this and got a negative response… UBNT should work o AF24 2 with 1 Gig 
capacity and a AF24Lite for 200-500 Mbps capacity for $1k link 







Gino A. Villarini 
President 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
www.aeronetpr.com 
@aeronetpr 






From: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 9:27 AM 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 





Could they increase the QAM on the current AF24 to match that of the AF5 and at 
least do 1 gigabit FDX on the current shipping hardware? Not sure how 
increasing QAM levels work in FPGA land. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Colin Stanners via Af" < af@afmug.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:19:46 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 


I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 100mhz 
channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit backhaul... 
I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well. 



On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 




I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released in the 
next 12-18 months. 

If not sooner. 

Now... what would those be? 

Hrm. 

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com 

On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: 






I don’t know what you are talking about. 

Rory 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 


I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is silently 
sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing. 

:P 

josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com 
On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: 


I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac vendors 
are seeing with the new OOBE rules. The 450 is able to provide a better 
performance within the new environment so there will still be a differentiator. 
The only question if it’s worth the difference. 

Rory 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM 
To: Josh Luthman via Af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 



.AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. Others do. 
epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and applications 
where 450 does not meet the price point. 





Von: Josh Luthman via Af 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 04:00 
An: Josh Luthman via Af 




An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would be 
fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when 
it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to outshine 
the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC 
ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc). 

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af < af@afmug.com > 
wrote: 

> The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac. 
> 
> 
> *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af < af@afmug.com > 
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 01:39 
> *An:* Josh Luthman via Af < af@afmug.com > 
> 
> I hope Cambium is listing on this point. 
> 
> Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price 
> point. 
> 
> They are about to have more competition f

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Keefe John via Af]

A 60 ghz solution using two 1000 mhz channels giving us 10 gbps full 
duplex throughput would be awesome.


Keefe

On 12/10/2014 11:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote:
I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 
100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 
2.5gbit backhaul...  I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well.


On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


I'd guess there's going to be... a least3 AirFiber products
released in the next 12-18 months.

If not sooner.

Now... what would those be?

Hrm.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com  <http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:


I don’t know what you are talking about.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh
Reynolds via Af
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding)
is silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing
nothing.

:P

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com  <http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:

I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all
the 802.11ac vendors are seeing with the new OOBE rules.  The
450 is able to provide a better performance within the new
environment so there will still be a differentiator.  The
only question if it’s worth the difference.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Stefan
Englhardt via Af
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM
    *To:* Josh Luthman via Af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

.AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or
not. Others do. epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to
keep customers and applications where 450 does not meet the
price point.

*Von:*Josh Luthman via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Gesendet:* ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎04‎:‎00
*An:* Josh Luthman via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>

An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether
Cambium would be
fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a
company do when
it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one
starts to outshine
the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark?
(mbps - even .AC
ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc).

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
wrote:

>  The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac.
>
>
> *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> *Gesendet:* ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎01‎:‎39
> *An:* Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>
> I hope Cambium is listing on this point.
>
> Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at
10 meg price
> point.
>
> They are about to have more competition from lot of other
vendors too.
>
> Tushar
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter
    Kranz via Af
    > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
> > Yes no maybe.
>
> I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light
the competitive
> fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of
speed licenses.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Keefe John via Af]

licensed!!!


On 12/10/2014 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote:
I'd guess there's going to be... a least3 AirFiber products released 
in the next 12-18 months.


If not sooner.

Now... what would those be?

Hrm.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com
On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:


I don’t know what you are talking about.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds 
via Af

*Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is 
silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing.


:P

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com  <http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:

I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the
802.11ac vendors are seeing with the new OOBE rules.  The 450 is
able to provide a better performance within the new environment
so there will still be a differentiator.  The only question if
it’s worth the difference.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Stefan
Englhardt via Af
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM
*To:* Josh Luthman via Af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

.AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not.
Others do. epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep
customers and applications where 450 does not meet the price point.

*Von:*Josh Luthman via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Gesendet:* ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎04‎:‎00
*An:* Josh Luthman via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>

An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether
Cambium would be
fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a
company do when
it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts
to outshine
the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps -
even .AC
ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc).

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
wrote:

>  The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac.
>
>
> *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> *Gesendet:* ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎01‎:‎39
> *An:* Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>
> I hope Cambium is listing on this point.
>
> Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10
meg price
> point.
>
> They are about to have more competition from lot of other
vendors too.
>
> Tushar
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz
via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
> > Yes no maybe.
>
> I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the
competitive
> fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of
speed licenses.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Josh Luthman via Af]

Why push Ubnt to fictitious licenses when we're trying to get Cambium to
quit it?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 11, 2014 9:20 AM, "Gino Villarini via Af"  wrote:

>   I asked this and got a negative response… UBNT should work o AF24 2
> with 1 Gig capacity and a AF24Lite for 200-500 Mbps capacity for $1k link
>
>
>
>  Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>   From: "af@afmug.com" 
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 9:27 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
>   Could they increase the QAM on the current AF24 to match that of the
> AF5 and at least do 1 gigabit FDX on the current shipping hardware? Not
> sure how increasing QAM levels work in FPGA land.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> ------
>  *From: *"Colin Stanners via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:19:46 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
> I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the
> 100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit
> backhaul...  I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well.
>
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
> wrote:
>
>>  I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released
>> in the next 12-18 months.
>>
>> If not sooner.
>>
>> Now... what would those be?
>>
>> Hrm.
>>
>>  josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>>
>>  On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
>>
>>  I don’t know what you are talking about.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds via Af
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is
>> silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing.
>>
>> :P
>>
>>  josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>>
>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>>
>> On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
>>
>> I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac
>> vendors are seeing with the new OOBE rules.  The 450 is able to provide a
>> better performance within the new environment so there will still be a
>> differentiator.  The only question if it’s worth the difference.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Stefan Englhardt via Af
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM
>> *To:* Josh Luthman via Af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>>
>>
>>
>> .AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. Others
>> do. epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and
>> applications where 450 does not meet the price point.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 04:00
>> *An:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>>
>>
>>
>> An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would
>> be
>> fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when
>> it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to
>> outshine
>> the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC
>> ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc).
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >  The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac.
>> >
>> >
>> > *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>> > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 01:39
>> > *An:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>> >
>> > I hope Cambium is listing on this point.
>> >
>> > Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price
>> > point.
>> >
>> > They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too.
>> >
>> > Tushar
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On
>> Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af
>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>> >
>> > > Yes no maybe.
>> >
>> > I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the
>> competitive
>> > fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed
>> licenses.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Gino Villarini via Af]

I asked this and got a negative response… UBNT should work o AF24 2 with 1 Gig 
capacity and a AF24Lite for 200-500 Mbps capacity for $1k link



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 9:27 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

Could they increase the QAM on the current AF24 to match that of the AF5 and at 
least do 1 gigabit FDX on the current shipping hardware? Not sure how 
increasing QAM levels work in FPGA land.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Colin Stanners via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:19:46 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 100mhz 
channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit backhaul...  
I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well.

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released in the 
next 12-18 months.

If not sooner.

Now... what would those be?

Hrm.


josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
I don’t know what you are talking about.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is silently 
sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing.

:P


josh reynolds :: chief information officer

spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com>
On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac vendors 
are seeing with the new OOBE rules.  The 450 is able to provide a better 
performance within the new environment so there will still be a differentiator. 
 The only question if it’s worth the difference.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM
To: Josh Luthman via Af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

.AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. Others do. 
epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and applications 
where 450 does not meet the price point.

Von: Josh Luthman via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 04:00
An: Josh Luthman via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>

An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would be
fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when
it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to outshine
the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC
ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc).

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
wrote:

>  The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac.
>
>
> *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 01:39
> *An:* Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>
> I hope Cambium is listing on this point.
>
> Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price
> point.
>
> They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too.
>
> Tushar
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM
> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
> > Yes no maybe.
>
> I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the competitive
> fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed licenses.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

They sit there reading the project plan written by a marketing guy. Whining all 
day long ;-)).





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 14:26
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..



Maybe I can fly a quadcopter by their windows and peer in?  :-p



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



  _

From: "Josh Reynolds via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:04:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is silently 
sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing.

:P

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:

I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac vendors 
are seeing with the new OOBE rules.  The 450 is able to provide a better 
performance within the new environment so there will still be a differentiator. 
 The only question if it’s worth the difference.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM
To: Josh Luthman via Af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..



.AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. Others do. 
epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and applications 
where 450 does not meet the price point.



Von: Josh Luthman via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Gesendet: ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎04‎:‎00
An: Josh Luthman via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>



An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would be
fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when
it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to outshine
the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC
ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc).

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> >
wrote:

>  The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac.
>
>
> *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> >
> *Gesendet:* ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎01‎:‎39
> *An:* Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> >
>
> I hope Cambium is listing on this point.
>
> Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price
> point.
>
> They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too.
>
> Tushar
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
> > Yes no maybe.
>
> I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the competitive
> fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed licenses.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Mike Hammett via Af]

Could they increase the QAM on the current AF24 to match that of the AF5 and at 
least do 1 gigabit FDX on the current shipping hardware? Not sure how 
increasing QAM levels work in FPGA land. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Colin Stanners via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:19:46 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 


I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 100mhz 
channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit backhaul... 
I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well. 



On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 




I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released in the 
next 12-18 months. 

If not sooner. 

Now... what would those be? 

Hrm. 

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com 

On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: 






I don’t know what you are talking about. 

Rory 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 


I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is silently 
sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing. 

:P 

josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com 
On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: 


I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac vendors 
are seeing with the new OOBE rules. The 450 is able to provide a better 
performance within the new environment so there will still be a differentiator. 
The only question if it’s worth the difference. 

Rory 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM 
To: Josh Luthman via Af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 



.AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. Others do. 
epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and applications 
where 450 does not meet the price point. 





Von: Josh Luthman via Af 
Gesendet: ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎04‎:‎00 
An: Josh Luthman via Af 




An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would be 
fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when 
it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to outshine 
the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC 
ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc). 

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af < af@afmug.com > 
wrote: 

> The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac. 
> 
> 
> *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af < af@afmug.com > 
> *Gesendet:* ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎01‎:‎39 
> *An:* Josh Luthman via Af < af@afmug.com > 
> 
> I hope Cambium is listing on this point. 
> 
> Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price 
> point. 
> 
> They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too. 
> 
> Tushar 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 
> 
> > Yes no maybe. 
> 
> I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the competitive 
> fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed licenses. 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Mike Hammett via Af]

Maybe I can fly a quadcopter by their windows and peer in? :-p 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:04:45 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 


I'm sure that AirFiber t eam (which they seem to keep expanding) is silently 
sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing . 

:P 
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af 
wrote: 




I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac vendors 
are seeing with the new OOBE rules. The 450 is able to provide a better 
performance within the new environment so there will still be a differentiator. 
The only question if it’s worth the difference. 

Rory 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM 
To: Josh Luthman via Af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 



.AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. Others do. 
epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and applications 
where 450 does not meet the price point. 





Von: Josh Luthman via Af 
Gesendet: ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎04‎:‎00 
An: Josh Luthman via Af 




An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would be 
fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when 
it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to outshine 
the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC 
ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc). 

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af < af@afmug.com > 
wrote: 

> The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac. 
> 
> 
> *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af < af@afmug.com > 
> *Gesendet:* ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎01‎:‎39 
> *An:* Josh Luthman via Af < af@afmug.com > 
> 
> I hope Cambium is listing on this point. 
> 
> Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price 
> point. 
> 
> They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too. 
> 
> Tushar 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 
> 
> > Yes no maybe. 
> 
> I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the competitive 
> fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed licenses. 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

Yes. And both product lines have to go forward to stay in the market / gain a 
bigger market.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 10:06
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..





They each have their placeright?

- Original Message -

From: Colin Stanners via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:00 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..



An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would be 
fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when it 
has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to outshine the 
more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC ePMP is 
unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc).



On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac.





Von: Josh Luthman via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Gesendet: ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎01‎:‎39
An: Josh Luthman via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>



I hope Cambium is listing on this point.

Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price point.

They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too.

Tushar

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Peter Kranz via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

> Yes no maybe.

I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the competitive fire 
under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed licenses.

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[CBB - Jay Fuller via Af]

They each have their placeright?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Colin Stanners via Af 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..


  An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would be 
fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when it 
has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to outshine the 
more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC ePMP is 
unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc).



  On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af  wrote:

The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac.





Von: Josh Luthman via Af
Gesendet: ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎01‎:‎39
An: Josh Luthman via Af


I hope Cambium is listing on this point.

Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price 
point.

They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too.

Tushar

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

> Yes no maybe.

I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the competitive 
fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed licenses.

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Mathew Howard via Af]

PtMP based on the airfiber in 3.65ghz would seem like a good fit, with the new 
rules that are (hopefully) coming...

licensed also seems like an obvious place to go with airfiber.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I'd be incredibly surprised if they didn't do a ptmp.

Not sure a revamped 24GHz is in consideration when there's so many other bands 
they could release equipment for.

Maybe licensed? Hr...

One can hope, right?

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 12/10/2014 08:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote:
I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 100mhz 
channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit backhaul...  
I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well.

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released in the 
next 12-18 months.

If not sooner.

Now... what would those be?

Hrm.


josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
I don’t know what you are talking about.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is silently 
sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing.

:P


josh reynolds :: chief information officer

spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com>
On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac vendors 
are seeing with the new OOBE rules.  The 450 is able to provide a better 
performance within the new environment so there will still be a differentiator. 
 The only question if it’s worth the difference.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM
To: Josh Luthman via Af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

.AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. Others do. 
epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and applications 
where 450 does not meet the price point.

Von: Josh Luthman via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Gesendet: ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎04‎:‎00
An: Josh Luthman via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>

An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would be
fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when
it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to outshine
the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC
ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc).

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
wrote:

>  The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac.
>
>
> *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> *Gesendet:* ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎01‎:‎39
> *An:* Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>
> I hope Cambium is listing on this point.
>
> Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price
> point.
>
> They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too.
>
> Tushar
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM
> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
> > Yes no maybe.
>
> I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the competitive
> fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed licenses.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Josh Reynolds via Af]

I'd be incredibly surprised if they didn't do a ptmp.

Not sure a revamped 24GHz is in consideration when there's so many other 
bands they could release equipment for.


Maybe licensed? Hr...

One can hope, right?

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

On 12/10/2014 08:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote:
I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 
100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 
2.5gbit backhaul...  I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well.


On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


I'd guess there's going to be... a least3 AirFiber products
released in the next 12-18 months.

If not sooner.

Now... what would those be?

Hrm.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com  <http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:


I don’t know what you are talking about.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh
Reynolds via Af
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding)
is silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing
nothing.

:P

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com  <http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:

I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all
the 802.11ac vendors are seeing with the new OOBE rules.  The
450 is able to provide a better performance within the new
environment so there will still be a differentiator.  The
only question if it’s worth the difference.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Stefan
Englhardt via Af
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM
    *To:* Josh Luthman via Af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

.AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or
not. Others do. epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to
keep customers and applications where 450 does not meet the
price point.

*Von:*Josh Luthman via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Gesendet:* ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎04‎:‎00
*An:* Josh Luthman via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>

An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether
Cambium would be
fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a
company do when
it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one
starts to outshine
the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark?
(mbps - even .AC
ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc).

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
wrote:

>  The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac.
>
>
> *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> *Gesendet:* ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎01‎:‎39
> *An:* Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>
> I hope Cambium is listing on this point.
>
> Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at
10 meg price
> point.
>
> They are about to have more competition from lot of other
vendors too.
>
> Tushar
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter
    Kranz via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
> > Yes no maybe.
>
> I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light
the competitive
> fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of
speed licenses.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Colin Stanners via Af]

I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the
100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit
backhaul...  I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well.

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af  wrote:

>  I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released in
> the next 12-18 months.
>
> If not sooner.
>
> Now... what would those be?
>
> Hrm.
>
>  josh reynolds :: chief information officer
> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>
> On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
>
>  I don’t know what you are talking about.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds via Af
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
>
>
> I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is
> silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing.
>
> :P
>
>  josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>
> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>
> On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
>
> I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac
> vendors are seeing with the new OOBE rules.  The 450 is able to provide a
> better performance within the new environment so there will still be a
> differentiator.  The only question if it’s worth the difference.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Stefan Englhardt via Af
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM
> *To:* Josh Luthman via Af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
>
>
> .AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. Others
> do. epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and
> applications where 450 does not meet the price point.
>
>
>
> *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af 
> *Gesendet:* ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎04‎:‎00
> *An:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>
>
>
> An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would be
> fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when
> it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to outshine
> the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC
> ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc).
>
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af 
> wrote:
>
> >  The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac.
> >
> >
> > *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af 
> > *Gesendet:* ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎01‎:‎39
> > *An:* Josh Luthman via Af 
> >
> > I hope Cambium is listing on this point.
> >
> > Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price
> > point.
> >
> > They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too.
> >
> > Tushar
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf
> Of Peter Kranz via Af
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
> >
> > > Yes no maybe.
> >
> > I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the
> competitive
> > fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed
> licenses.
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Josh Reynolds via Af]

I'd guess there's going to be... a least3 AirFiber products released in 
the next 12-18 months.


If not sooner.

Now... what would those be?

Hrm.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:


I don’t know what you are talking about.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds 
via Af

*Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is 
silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing.


:P

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com  <http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:

I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the
802.11ac vendors are seeing with the new OOBE rules. The 450 is
able to provide a better performance within the new environment so
there will still be a differentiator. The only question if it’s
worth the difference.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Stefan
Englhardt via Af
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM
*To:* Josh Luthman via Af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

.AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not.
Others do. epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep
customers and applications where 450 does not meet the price point.

*Von:*Josh Luthman via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Gesendet:* ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎04‎:‎00
*An:* Josh Luthman via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>

An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium
would be
fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company
do when
it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to
outshine
the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps -
even .AC
ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc).

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
wrote:

>  The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac.
>
>
> *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> *Gesendet:* ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎01‎:‎39
> *An:* Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>
> I hope Cambium is listing on this point.
>
> Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10
meg price
> point.
>
> They are about to have more competition from lot of other
vendors too.
>
> Tushar
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz
via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
> > Yes no maybe.
>
> I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the
competitive
> fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed
licenses.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Rory Conaway via Af]

I don’t know what you are talking about.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

 

I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is silently 
sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing.

:P



josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:

I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac 
vendors are seeing with the new OOBE rules.  The 450 is able to provide a 
better performance within the new environment so there will still be a 
differentiator.  The only question if it’s worth the difference.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt 
via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM
To: Josh Luthman via Af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

 

.AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. 
Others do. epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and 
applications where 450 does not meet the price point. 

 

Von: Josh Luthman via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Gesendet: ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎04‎:‎00
An: Josh Luthman via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com> 

 

An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium 
would be
fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do 
when
it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to 
outshine
the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even 
.AC
ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc).

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af 
wrote:

>  The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac.
>
>
> *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af 
> *Gesendet:* ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎01‎:‎39
> *An:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>
> I hope Cambium is listing on this point.
>
> Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg 
price
> point.
>
> They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too.
>
> Tushar
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM
    > To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
> > Yes no maybe.
>
> I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the 
competitive
> fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed 
licenses.
>
>

 

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Josh Reynolds via Af]

I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is 
silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing.


:P

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:


I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 
802.11ac vendors are seeing with the new OOBE rules.  The 450 is able 
to provide a better performance within the new environment so there 
will still be a differentiator.  The only question if it’s worth the 
difference.


Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Stefan 
Englhardt via Af

*Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM
*To:* Josh Luthman via Af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

.AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. 
Others do. epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep 
customers and applications where 450 does not meet the price point.


*Von:*Josh Luthman via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Gesendet:* ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎04‎:‎00
*An:* Josh Luthman via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>

An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium 
would be

fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when
it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to 
outshine

the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC
ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc).

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>>

wrote:

>  The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac.
>
>
> *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> *Gesendet:* ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎01‎:‎39
> *An:* Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>
> I hope Cambium is listing on this point.
>
> Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price
> point.
>
> They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too.
>
> Tushar
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
> > Yes no maybe.
>
> I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the 
competitive
> fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed 
licenses.

>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Rory Conaway via Af]

I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac vendors 
are seeing with the new OOBE rules.  The 450 is able to provide a better 
performance within the new environment so there will still be a differentiator. 
 The only question if it’s worth the difference.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM
To: Josh Luthman via Af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

 

.AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. Others do. 
epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and applications 
where 450 does not meet the price point. 

 

Von: Josh Luthman via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Gesendet: ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎04‎:‎00
An: Josh Luthman via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com> 

 

An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would be
fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when
it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to outshine
the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC
ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc).

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af 
wrote:

>  The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac.
>
>
> *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af 
> *Gesendet:* ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎01‎:‎39
> *An:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>
> I hope Cambium is listing on this point.
>
> Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price
> point.
>
> They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too.
>
> Tushar
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
> > Yes no maybe.
>
> I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the competitive
> fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed licenses.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

.AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. Others do. 
epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and applications 
where 450 does not meet the price point. 







Von: Josh Luthman via Af
Gesendet: ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎04‎:‎00
An: Josh Luthman via Af





An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would be
fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when
it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to outshine
the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC
ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc).

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af 
wrote:

>  The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac.
>
>
> *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af 
> *Gesendet:* ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎01‎:‎39
> *An:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>
> I hope Cambium is listing on this point.
>
> Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price
> point.
>
> They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too.
>
> Tushar
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
> > Yes no maybe.
>
> I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the competitive
> fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed licenses.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Colin Stanners via Af]

An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would be
fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when
it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to outshine
the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC
ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc).

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af 
wrote:

>  The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac.
>
>
> *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af 
> *Gesendet:* ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎01‎:‎39
> *An:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>
> I hope Cambium is listing on this point.
>
> Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price
> point.
>
> They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too.
>
> Tushar
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
>
> > Yes no maybe.
>
> I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the competitive
> fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed licenses.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac.








Von: Josh Luthman via Af
Gesendet: ‎Donnerstag‎, ‎11‎. ‎Dezember‎ ‎2014 ‎01‎:‎39
An: Josh Luthman via Af





I hope Cambium is listing on this point.

Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price point.

They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too.

Tushar

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

> Yes no maybe.

I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the competitive fire 
under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed licenses.

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Tushar Patel via Af]

I hope Cambium is listing on this point.

Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price point.

They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too.

Tushar

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

> Yes no maybe.

I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the competitive fire 
under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed licenses.

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Peter Kranz via Af]

-lite:

 

No titanium level shielding

No AirPrism 

 

Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/> 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com <mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com> 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

 

So what is the "lite" appendage signify?  Lite processor, lite weight, lite 
color, lite something else?




--
bp

 

On 12/10/2014 1:06 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote:

In our test bed we have tried both the –Lite and the AirPrism versions of the 
hardware.. I was impressed with how well the –lite did in an environment with 
20+ access points in close proximity.

 

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Bill Prince via Af]

So what is the "lite" appendage signify?  Lite processor, lite weight, 
lite color, lite something else?


--
bp


On 12/10/2014 1:06 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote:
In our test bed we have tried both the –Lite and the AirPrism versions 
of the hardware.. I was impressed with how well the –lite did in an 
environment with 20+ access points in close proximity.

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Peter Kranz via Af]

Yes its HTML5 based so launches instantly..

 

*  Please tell me it doesn’t use Java or browser security exceptions.  I was 
told the new airView would use HTML5?

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

Wow, that is so cool.
I was disappointed to learn that Cambium’s 450 doesn’t actually measure MSE, it 
infers it from bit error rate, or that is my understanding.


From: Peter Kranz via Af 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

I forgot to mention.. the added CINR information and graphing makes it much 
easier to detect customers with local interference:

If you have local interference, on those CINR heat map bars you will see 
splatter at lower CINR levels..

 



 

Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

Someone said they sell a lot of SM4's overseas.
Is that because other countries don't care about fast Internet as much as we 
do?
Or because other countries have clever programmers who have cracked the 
license key algorithm and are generating their own upgrade keys?

Hmm.


-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen via Af

Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

On 12/10/14, 13:10, Peter Kranz via Af wrote:
I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the competitive 
fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed licenses.



Speed licenses should die a horrible death.

~Seth 

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Peter Kranz via Af]

I forgot to mention.. the added CINR information and graphing makes it much 
easier to detect customers with local interference:

If you have local interference, on those CINR heat map bars you will see 
splatter at lower CINR levels..

 



 

Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Mike Hammett via Af]

Since many seem to have not caught Ben's statements 


 
The 3 new products announced today : 


R5AC-PTP - Rocket w/AirPrism, PTP only 
NBE-5AC-19 - 19dB NanoBeam 
PBE-5AC-620 - 620mm PowerBeam 


Also, all of the software updates: 


http://www.ubnt.com/broadband/software/ 



Some highlights: 


- Dedicated spectrum analysis (persistent) 
- CINR (Carrier to Interference and Noise Ratio - accurate assessment of 
channel conditions 
- New diagnostic tools (Ethernet Cabling test, RF Diagnostics, etc...) 
- PTMP enabled on R5AC-LITE 


The R5AC-PTMP (AirPrism AP) will be announced shortly. 


Thanks, 
Ben  


 
Yes, PTMP firmware is available for download now. 
 


 
;-) I think you guys will really like the new SW tools being added (especially 
the persistent spectrum analyzer...lots that can be done with that). Will send 
out some details shortly on PTMP networks in the wild ;) 
 


 
Part #'s and pricing should be up later today / tomorrow . Shipping in Dec with 
initial availability in late December/early January. 


The R5AC-PTMP with airPrism is right behind...  

 
We already have these in transit. I would expect DFS to be available on these 
early next year. 


The NanoBeams do not have DFS yet...but they will. 
 

 
Backwards compatibility is planned, but will be some time before being 
implemented (will ask team for update on timeline). There are a lot of 
features/products that will go into AC prior to adding backwards compatibility 
(making sure these are solid first before adding more variables). 
 

 
Oh...and heard back that estimate is ~3 months for release (beta sooner). 
 

(I think he has a typo in here) 
 
11n CPE's will have ability to work with 11AC AP's...This will allow you to 
transition a tower. Note that 11ac speeds will not be as good as 100% AC 
network, but 11ac CPE's that you deploy will still be better than 11n. 
 

 
Yes, 2GHz AC is in the works. The 5GHz was highest priority and 2GHz is 
following. I would expect most of the 5GHz products to roll out over next 1-2 
months and you will see 2GHz products soon after. 
 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Peter Kranz via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 2:20:32 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 



The NDA embargo on RM5AC-PMP platform has been lifted so we can talk freely 
about this stuff now.. Anything you all want to hear about regarding these 
units? 

Peter Kranz 
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd 
www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 
Mobile: 510-207- 
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Seth Mattinen via Af]

On 12/10/14, 13:10, Peter Kranz via Af wrote:

I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the competitive fire 
under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed licenses.



Speed licenses should die a horrible death.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Jerry Richardson via Af]

Since we are in similar regions, Dan and I will be very interested in hearing 
how your further testing goes.

 

I’d love to get better density… 

 

Jerry

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 1:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

 

>> Is this the AirPrism version? You're in a high noise environment. How is it 
>> faring compared to other technology you've deployed?

 

In our test bed we have tried both the –Lite and the AirPrism versions of the 
hardware.. I was impressed with how well the –lite did in an environment with 
20+ access points in close proximity. When we swapped out for the AirPrism 
version we didn’t see massive improvements, but things were already working 
pretty well so I didn’t expect this. We’ve also been through a ton of dev. 
builds so I don’t have a good feeling for what a –Lite vs AirPrism looks like 
in an A/B test with the current release software.

 

Next steps here are to deploy several AirPrism APs with very tight spacing and 
close channels to see how well isolated they are and prove out that technology.

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Peter Kranz via Af]

> Yes no maybe.

I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the competitive fire 
under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed licenses.

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Peter Kranz via Af]

>> Is this the AirPrism version? You're in a high noise environment. How is it 
>> faring compared to other technology you've deployed?

 

In our test bed we have tried both the –Lite and the AirPrism versions of the 
hardware.. I was impressed with how well the –lite did in an environment with 
20+ access points in close proximity. When we swapped out for the AirPrism 
version we didn’t see massive improvements, but things were already working 
pretty well so I didn’t expect this. We’ve also been through a ton of dev. 
builds so I don’t have a good feeling for what a –Lite vs AirPrism looks like 
in an A/B test with the current release software.

 

Next steps here are to deploy several AirPrism APs with very tight spacing and 
close channels to see how well isolated they are and prove out that technology.

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Seth Mattinen via Af]

On 12/10/14, 12:27, Brian Sullivan via Af wrote:

Is it better than PMP450?



Yes no maybe.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Peter Kranz via Af]

*  Yeah, when are they going to be available? 

 

As Mike said.. RM5AC-Lite equipment should be available now and PTMP software 
is also available now..

I don’t know when the RM5AC with Airprism is going to enter the distribution 
chain however..

 

Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Mike Hammett via Af]

Later. Q1? 

It was probably on the WISPA UBNT list. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Jason McKemie via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 2:59:11 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 


That's good news, I hadn't seen that. What about the ptmp version with 
AirPrism? 

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Jason McKemie via Af]

That's good news, I hadn't seen that.  What about the ptmp version with
AirPrism?

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Peter Kranz via Af]

>> Is it better than PMP450?

That’s a complex question.. 

 

Both radios support 256QAM

RM5AC-Lite supports more channel width options than PMP450, so supports higher 
data rates in wider channels.

RM5AC-Lite is a +27dBm transmitter, PMP450 is a +22dBm transmitter … depending 
on the antenna system you use, you may have a legal use for that larger output 
power with RM5AC-Lite

RM5AC-Lite does not currently support sync, where PMP450 does … so denser 
channel packing is possible with PMP450

RM5AC-Lite offers flexible up/down ratios, but at the cost of no sync … but the 
AirPrism variant eliminates the need for sync in certain deployments depending 
on your religion.

RM5AC-Lite has a nice price point compared to the PMP450 Access points and you 
can use a single unit as either CPE or Access Point

PMP450 Access points have a very rugged design and are fully shielded.. 
RM5AC-Lite radios have pretty limited shielding, looking forward to the 
Titanium level shielding design..

RM5AC-Lite gives me full access to busybox so I can run scripts and perform 
tcpdumps of customer traffic, PMP450 is more of a walled garden approach.

 

At the end of the day, I think the RM5AC-Lite is looking to be a pretty solid 
radio. I’ve been happy with the performance in our field trials and they seem 
to have resolved the interference immunity issues that plague the older RM5 
platform so greatly. I wouldn’t tear my PMP450 network down to replace it with 
RM5AC at this time however, as I think the PMP450 with its software defined 
radio can add other channel width options and AC modulation improvements if the 
market demands it, has shown to be pretty bullet proof in the face of 
interference, and has a fully functional sync.

 

For operators using RM5.. RM5AC is a huge improvement in speed and 
reliability.. What I REALLY want to see is the RM5AC software build that offers 
backwards compatibility to RM5 CPE’s.  Then I definitely would forklift upgrade 
all my existing RM5 access points to take advantage of the interference 
immunity improvements and slowly convert the CPEs with high usage or local 
interference problems to AC units.

 

Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Mike Hammett via Af]

He also said the PtP non-Lite was coming as well. 

I think he said they're on the boat? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Jason McKemie via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 2:53:11 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 


Yeah, when are they going to be available? I got an announcement from Ubiquiti 
about the AC line being available, but no sign of the non-lite Rocket (and no 
mention of ptmp on the lite version). 


-Jason 


On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Peter Kranz via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 





The NDA embargo on RM5AC-PMP platform has been lifted so we can talk freely 
about this stuff now.. Anything you all want to hear about regarding these 
units? 

Peter Kranz 
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd 
www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 
Mobile: 510-207- 
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Mike Hammett via Af]

PtMP is available on the Lite version. Ben said so in one of the threads in one 
of the lists. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Jason McKemie via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 2:53:11 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 


Yeah, when are they going to be available? I got an announcement from Ubiquiti 
about the AC line being available, but no sign of the non-lite Rocket (and no 
mention of ptmp on the lite version). 


-Jason 


On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Peter Kranz via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 





The NDA embargo on RM5AC-PMP platform has been lifted so we can talk freely 
about this stuff now.. Anything you all want to hear about regarding these 
units? 

Peter Kranz 
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd 
www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 
Mobile: 510-207- 
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Jason McKemie via Af]

Yeah, when are they going to be available?  I got an announcement from
Ubiquiti about the AC line being available, but no sign of the non-lite
Rocket (and no mention of ptmp on the lite version).

-Jason

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Peter Kranz via Af  wrote:

> The NDA embargo on RM5AC-PMP platform has been lifted so we can talk
> freely about this stuff now.. Anything you all want to hear about regarding
> these units?
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
> www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Josh Luthman via Af]

Stop doing your job and fill our curiosity!!! =)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Peter Kranz via Af  wrote:

> Climbing towers, eating burgers, drinking beers. You know.. normal things.
>
>
>
> >> Dude where were you yesterday?
>

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Peter Kranz via Af]

Climbing towers, eating burgers, drinking beers. You know.. normal things.

 

>> Dude where were you yesterday?

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Brian Sullivan via Af]

Is it better than PMP450?

On 12/10/2014 2:22 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
Is this the AirPrism version? You're in a high noise environment. How 
is it faring compared to other technology you've deployed?




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *"Peter Kranz via Af" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, December 10, 2014 2:20:32 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

The NDA embargo on RM5AC-PMP platform has been lifted so we can talk 
freely about this stuff now.. Anything you all want to hear about 
regarding these units?


*Peter Kranz
*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/>
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com <mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com>

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Mike Hammett via Af]

Is this the AirPrism version? You're in a high noise environment. How is it 
faring compared to other technology you've deployed? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Peter Kranz via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 2:20:32 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. 



The NDA embargo on RM5AC-PMP platform has been lifted so we can talk freely 
about this stuff now.. Anything you all want to hear about regarding these 
units? 

Peter Kranz 
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd 
www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 
Mobile: 510-207- 
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Josh Luthman via Af]

Dude where were you yesterday?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Peter Kranz via Af  wrote:

> The NDA embargo on RM5AC-PMP platform has been lifted so we can talk
> freely about this stuff now.. Anything you all want to hear about regarding
> these units?
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
> www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>

[AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..

[Peter Kranz via Af]

The NDA embargo on RM5AC-PMP platform has been lifted so we can talk freely
about this stuff now.. Anything you all want to hear about regarding these
units?

 

Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com  
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com