[AsburyPark] Re: The Look of Things

2005-08-23 Thread jerseyjohn99
Wow! That was quick...

they went from building them last Wednesday to having them today!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/11282

Who's the developer down there?

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> Oak:  Actually, Ocean City has condos on top of thier boardwalk 
> pavillions. I wish we had them here. The views! The ratables!  Year-
> round activity at the beach!
> 
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > more crap built? How about finishing what hey started. Sure,
those 
> > little green patches should have something like a mini-golf, band 
> shell 
> > or benches.
> > 
> > Tommy, why not just build condos there?





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[AsburyPark] Re: The Look of Things

2005-08-23 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> Oak:  Actually, Ocean City has condos on top of thier boardwalk 
> pavillions. I wish we had them here. The views! The ratables!  Year-
> round activity at the beach!


You can't be serious.

Not needed.

How about cleaning up the entire town before embarking on blocking the 
ocean. 

While you're at it, change the name of ocean ave - after all, you 
won't be able to see it. (the ocean)

how'd a liquor licensc that never existed ever wind up at CH anyway, 
tom





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[AsburyPark] Rita-ism #1 - What's wrong with you people!

2005-08-23 Thread wernerapnj
I really don't get it, there are serious issues and topics to discuss. 
More often than not, the banter degenerates into completely off topic 
directions.

Never mind, go at it, who laying odds. :-)

Werner




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[AsburyPark] what BS

2005-08-23 Thread traderdube
Skip Bernstein wrote..."

Sharon, I don't need names; all of the old council, with the exception of John 
Hamilton, is in bed with the Fish.  Rumor has it that Tommy's looking for 
wriggle room to get in on the action.

Skip Bernstein"


And that is slime ball bull shit skip. Within the same digest Tommy more 
than cleared the air of whatever there may be between him and Asbury 
Partners.
Skip, your non-stop, incessant name-calling and derogatory  bullshit is 
worthy of a smack in the mouth, I hope you get it sooner rather than later.
Anything to shut your  your claptrap of a mouth



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[AsburyPark] Re: The Look of Things

2005-08-23 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oak:  Actually, Ocean City has condos on top of thier boardwalk 
> pavillions. I wish we had them here. The views! The ratables!  
Year-
> round activity at the beach!
> 
Doesn't our plan call for 2-story pavillions with office or retail 
on top and slightly higher buildings on the west side of ocean ave? 
As Oak said, we can;t even get built was it supposed to get built 
let alone additional stuff. Screw it, why not be like Bradley, OG 
and others and have NO boardwalk buildings?

PS, You can't even get Asbury Partners to do what they are supposed, 
I didn't expect them to water the green spaces during a heat wave 
and near drought. In fact, the state of the lawns in AP during the 
recent near drought (without water restrictions) I think is telling. 
My "property manager" thinks I am nuts watering the lawn 
saying "don't you know you can't grow grass in AP?" I suspect with 
an inordinate amount of renters versus owners there is no initiative 
to water lawns.




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[AsburyPark] Re: The Look of Things

2005-08-23 Thread bluebishop82
Oak:  Actually, Ocean City has condos on top of thier boardwalk 
pavillions. I wish we had them here. The views! The ratables!  Year-
round activity at the beach!


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> more crap built? How about finishing what hey started. Sure, those 
> little green patches should have something like a mini-golf, band 
shell 
> or benches.
> 
> Tommy, why not just build condos there?




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[AsburyPark] Re: The Look of Things

2005-08-23 Thread oakdorf
more crap built? How about finishing what hey started. Sure, those 
little green patches should have something like a mini-golf, band shell 
or benches.

Tommy, why not just build condos there? 




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[AsburyPark] Re: The Look of Things -- a very strange bird

2005-08-23 Thread bluebishop82
I think traderdube got it right the other day.  Skip is always on the 
attack. Periodically I throw up a defense,(because I'm only human) but 
the score is hardly even.

Go ahead and review my posts with everyone else.  I follow one rule:  
I don't make "a conclusion about the person." That's the secret to 
being polite on a board like this.

Some examples:

OK to say:  I disagree with you.  You are wrong about that. Your 
opinion is not supported by the facts, so you are wrong about that. 
Here is why my conclusion is better than yours, etc.

Not OK to say:  You are wrong because you don't know anything.  You 
are wrong because you are stupid.  You are wrong because you have not 
studied as much as me.  You don't care.  You are a racist. You're 
biased.  You're on the take. You you you you you.

It simply never moves a discussion forward to concentrate on the 
person.  Concentrate on the other person's analysis, conclusion, etc., 
that's fine.

Look at Skip's last post.  All I said was I would like to see 
buildings where the open space on the boardwalk is.  He never engaged 
the subject.  Just called me personally a bunch of bad things.

Surely you see the difference.





--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > Dear everyone:  If you don't want people getting nasty in these 
> > posts, then please let Skip know how you feel about his post 
below.  
> 
> 
> Now, now, girls. When I step in as the ref things are really bad. 
While 
> unproductive, what is good for the goose should be good for the 
gander. 
> It was only a day or two ago you told Skip to get a job and that 
> Fishman fired him. It may have been in retalitation for something he 
> said, but I am losing count. Let's all play nice now.




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[AsburyPark] Re: The Look of Things -- a very strange bird

2005-08-23 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> Dear everyone:  If you don't want people getting nasty in these 
> posts, then please let Skip know how you feel about his post below.  


Now, now, girls. When I step in as the ref things are really bad. While 
unproductive, what is good for the goose should be good for the gander. 
It was only a day or two ago you told Skip to get a job and that 
Fishman fired him. It may have been in retalitation for something he 
said, but I am losing count. Let's all play nice now.






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[AsburyPark] Re: The Look of Things -- a very strange bird

2005-08-23 Thread bluebishop82
Dear everyone:  If you don't want people getting nasty in these 
posts, then please let Skip know how you feel about his post below.  
It isn't fair to ask me not to do it, but say nothing to Skip and 
let me take it on the chin like this when he does it.  Please let 
him know how you feel about such personal attacks so I don't have to 
get into it with him, and you won't have to have your board 
cluttered by it.

Thanks.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> "Those "green spaces" between the pavillions ought to have more
> pavillions built on them."
> 
> You really don't like Asbury do you Tommy?  You don't like historic
> buildings, you don't like a view of the ocean and you don't like
> residents of the city getting fair compensation for the sale of 
their
> assets.  
> 
> You are not merely a silly ass but a very strange bird.
> 
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > That's "ought" to have more pavillions built on them.
> > 
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Those "green spaces" between the pavillions out to have more 
> > > pavillions built on them.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "mognj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > > > > The green acres land between pavilions looks awful.not 
> > kept up
> > > > > this 
> > > > > year at all.we are slowly drifting backwards! THESE 
FAST 
> > TRACK 
> > > > > PROJECTS NEED TO BE FAST TRACKED...NOW! WE ARE DYING!
> > > > 
> > > > Not only don't the "Green Spaces" between the pavilions look 
> > green, 
> > > the 
> > > > pavilions look like crumbling kindergarten projects, the 
Casino 
> > is 
> > > > imploding on itself and the Con. Hall is deteriorating.
> > > > 
> > > > I think the folks that are raving about the 'new and 
improved' 
> > > > beachfront have been in the sun too long; had too many 
> > margaritas at 
> > > > the Tiki bar; or a combination of both.
> > > > 
> > > > Werner





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[AsburyPark] Re: The Look of Things

2005-08-23 Thread bluebishop82
Those "green spaces" between the pavillions out to have more 
pavillions built on them.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "mognj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The green acres land between pavilions looks awful.not kept up
> > this 
> > year at all.we are slowly drifting backwards! THESE FAST TRACK 
> > PROJECTS NEED TO BE FAST TRACKED...NOW! WE ARE DYING!
> 
> Not only don't the "Green Spaces" between the pavilions look green, 
the 
> pavilions look like crumbling kindergarten projects, the Casino is 
> imploding on itself and the Con. Hall is deteriorating.
> 
> I think the folks that are raving about the 'new and improved' 
> beachfront have been in the sun too long; had too many margaritas at 
> the Tiki bar; or a combination of both.
> 
> Werner





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[AsburyPark] Re: The Look of Things -- a very strange bird

2005-08-23 Thread Skip Bernstein
"Those "green spaces" between the pavillions ought to have more
pavillions built on them."

You really don't like Asbury do you Tommy?  You don't like historic
buildings, you don't like a view of the ocean and you don't like
residents of the city getting fair compensation for the sale of their
assets.  

You are not merely a silly ass but a very strange bird.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> That's "ought" to have more pavillions built on them.
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Those "green spaces" between the pavillions out to have more 
> > pavillions built on them.
> > 
> > 
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "mognj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > The green acres land between pavilions looks awful.not 
> kept up
> > > > this 
> > > > year at all.we are slowly drifting backwards! THESE FAST 
> TRACK 
> > > > PROJECTS NEED TO BE FAST TRACKED...NOW! WE ARE DYING!
> > > 
> > > Not only don't the "Green Spaces" between the pavilions look 
> green, 
> > the 
> > > pavilions look like crumbling kindergarten projects, the Casino 
> is 
> > > imploding on itself and the Con. Hall is deteriorating.
> > > 
> > > I think the folks that are raving about the 'new and improved' 
> > > beachfront have been in the sun too long; had too many 
> margaritas at 
> > > the Tiki bar; or a combination of both.
> > > 
> > > Werner




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[AsburyPark] Re: The Look of Things

2005-08-23 Thread bluebishop82
That's "ought" to have more pavillions built on them.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Those "green spaces" between the pavillions out to have more 
> pavillions built on them.
> 
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "mognj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > The green acres land between pavilions looks awful.not 
kept up
> > > this 
> > > year at all.we are slowly drifting backwards! THESE FAST 
TRACK 
> > > PROJECTS NEED TO BE FAST TRACKED...NOW! WE ARE DYING!
> > 
> > Not only don't the "Green Spaces" between the pavilions look 
green, 
> the 
> > pavilions look like crumbling kindergarten projects, the Casino 
is 
> > imploding on itself and the Con. Hall is deteriorating.
> > 
> > I think the folks that are raving about the 'new and improved' 
> > beachfront have been in the sun too long; had too many 
margaritas at 
> > the Tiki bar; or a combination of both.
> > 
> > Werner




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Re: [AsburyPark] The Look of Things 2

2005-08-23 Thread Skip Bernstein
Yeah it may look terrible but just think what great seats those condo owners 
will have for the Giant Truck races.

Skip Bernstein

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- Original Message - 
From: "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 1:21 PM
Subject: [AsburyPark] The Look of Things 2


> On the other side of the coin is the fact that there is some visible
> new construction being done on two sites. Note that Asbury Partners
> has nothing to do with those, they just sold the property to real
> developers.
>
> At the Paramount Homes site along Kingley street one can now see the
> relationship of the building to the street line. I think a lot of
> people are in for a rude awakening when they realize how close the
> new building is to the street.
>
> Take a look, imagine an 8 story vertical face where the building is
> currently rising out of he ground and then add 12 feet of solid
> sidewalk to the curb in front of it. There is no set-back, green
> space or buffer zone.
>
> Kingsley street is going to be narrowed, crub-to-curb also, in
> addition to the 8 story walls on each side just 12 feet from the curb
> line. Ocean Avenue will be 2 way traffic, 1 lane each way.
>
> High density, zero-setback, 100% lot coverage; development. That's
> what the entire waterfront redevelopment are will be. I realize that
> for some people it's the greatest thing since sliced cheese to them.
> And that is really sad.
>
> Werner 



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[AsburyPark] The Look of Things 2

2005-08-23 Thread wernerapnj
On the other side of the coin is the fact that there is some visible 
new construction being done on two sites. Note that Asbury Partners 
has nothing to do with those, they just sold the property to real 
developers.

At the Paramount Homes site along Kingley street one can now see the 
relationship of the building to the street line. I think a lot of 
people are in for a rude awakening when they realize how close the 
new building is to the street.

Take a look, imagine an 8 story vertical face where the building is 
currently rising out of he ground and then add 12 feet of solid 
sidewalk to the curb in front of it. There is no set-back, green 
space or buffer zone.

Kingsley street is going to be narrowed, crub-to-curb also, in 
addition to the 8 story walls on each side just 12 feet from the curb 
line. Ocean Avenue will be 2 way traffic, 1 lane each way.

High density, zero-setback, 100% lot coverage; development. That's 
what the entire waterfront redevelopment are will be. I realize that 
for some people it's the greatest thing since sliced cheese to them. 
And that is really sad.

Werner




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[AsburyPark] The Look of Things

2005-08-23 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "mognj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The green acres land between pavilions looks awful.not kept up
> this 
> year at all.we are slowly drifting backwards! THESE FAST TRACK 
> PROJECTS NEED TO BE FAST TRACKED...NOW! WE ARE DYING!

Not only don't the "Green Spaces" between the pavilions look green, the 
pavilions look like crumbling kindergarten projects, the Casino is 
imploding on itself and the Con. Hall is deteriorating.

I think the folks that are raving about the 'new and improved' 
beachfront have been in the sun too long; had too many margaritas at 
the Tiki bar; or a combination of both.

Werner




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[AsburyPark] TOMMY AND THE FISH....WOW.........THAT'S A MATCH........

2005-08-23 Thread mognj
The green acres land between pavilions looks awful.not kept up
this 
year at all.we are slowly drifting backwards! THESE FAST TRACK 
PROJECTS NEED TO BE FAST TRACKED...NOW! WE ARE DYING!





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[AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395

2005-08-23 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  I thought it was 2 attorneys with 3 opinions

I was trying to be kind, but yes, at least.




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[AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395

2005-08-23 Thread oakdorf
 I thought it was 2 attorneys with 3 opinions





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[AsburyPark] Sleeps with the Fish, et al.

2005-08-23 Thread dfsavgny
Far be it from me to bring some modicum to this forum, but here goes. 
Our criticisms and analyses are valid. Let's not be written off as we 
were in the last election as a bunch of conspiracy theorists. If in 
fact someone has FACTS about some impropriety between elected officials 
or city employees and Asbury Partners, then certainly divulge it. If it 
is a rumour or your own speculation, then I respectfully suggest you do 
not spread it via this forum. It is clear that city leaders have let 
Asbury Partners run roughshod over this city. The agreement is one-
sided and stinks to high heaven. Those are facts that can be easily 
perceived by anyone. Why this is so is another question. We can 
speculate if people are being paid off or have other vested interests 
but it is just that, speculation and I think without proof does us more 
harm. There is clearly something rotten in the state of Denmark.





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[AsburyPark] Sleeping With the Fish

2005-08-23 Thread jerseykev





 
 
Now that's a 
true indicator of progress (or lack there of)
 
It use to be... "Sleeps with the Fishes!"  Now it's become... "Sleeps 
with the FISH!"
 
"Where have all the fishes gone?
 
God Bless Us All
 
 




  
  
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[AsburyPark] Re: rock the boat...don't rock - independent council

2005-08-23 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Sharon G. Boone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> Don't mean to be fecetious, so I WILL be. What's the City's Master 
Plan? In the long run, what's the deal? Please, don't everybody 
stampede to tell me! Is it online? Are there documents I can look at? 
I'm from Missouri, Show Me!
> 

The Master Plan consists of several documents that are available at 
City Hall. It's currently being reviewed and will eventually be amended.
If you or someone else in the group gets/has a copy I'm willing to scan 
and post it on-line.

Werner




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[AsburyPark] Re: rock the boat...don't rock the boat

2005-08-23 Thread wernerapnj
Thanks Sharon,

Many of my warnings, predictions, conclusions, etc., are now becomng 
all to obvious. Too bad it's taken 4 years for some folks to see 
what's been going on here. Some will never 'see'.

Werner

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Sharon G. Boone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> Werner,
> You said a mouthful! "Hit the head on the Nail", "took the bull by 
the horns" and every other overused and overworked cliche', but you 
said it and it IS ironic, isn't IT! I thought Aaron worked for them 
too. Seems like it was intimated in this forum, but maybe I'm 
confused, as usual! Correct me if I'm wrong,
> 
> 
> Weldon,Fishman,Aaron + Naive City Council = Land Grab
> 
...
> 
> It certainly looks 'blighted, underutilized and in disrepair' to 
me. 
> That's some of the criteria under the statue. Take the beachfront 
> back and return it to the taxpayers. A proper use of eminent domain.
> 
> Ironic - Asbury Partners getting taste of their own medicine.
> 





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