Fwd: [AsburyPark] Dipitro lied???
Jerry - Would you please post this for me. The damn yahoo is acting up again. Thanks, Maureen In a message dated 2/18/2006 4:11:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, Restore881FM writes: In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "s325run1" wrote:> >In a message dated 2/18/2006 11:22:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com writes: I don't think the story was totally negative. Depitro lied in it, he didn't win anything last month, Metro defunked what Depitro said about negotiations with the Partners, that story could of been a lot worse. The reporter got a few things wrong. I'm not impressed. Dear s325run1 - I can see why you don't use your name. At least the reporter spelled DePetro right. The reporter did NOT quote DePetro regarding the lawsuit. The statement is an error in the report. I believe you mean, debunked, where you say defunked (isn't that what Asbury Partners was supposed to do to the sewer plant?) and where did Metro do that exactly? It read to me that Metro was saying it didn't mind getting held up at gun point by Fishman. He certainly doesn't say it's not true. What did you expect them to say? "Yeah, I really got screwed on this deal. Question is, where the hell will I hide the $100 grand plus per unit that I have to make back somehow?" Hmmm? Maureen Nevin Asbury Radio Maureen NevinAsbury Radio -"The Radio Voice of Asbury Park"88.1FM - "5" Years on the Air!!Asbury's Own Live Talk Show601 Bangs AvenueListen 8 - 10 PM Thursdays on 88.1FM orListen Live or Later on the Web http://www.restoreradio.com/Call the show 732-775-0821Call me 732-774-0779 fax 502-0463Speak up - It's America!!-Forwarded Message: Subj: Re: [AsburyPark] Dipitro lied??? Date: 2/18/2006 4:11:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time From: Restore881FM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "s325run1" wrote:> >In a message dated 2/18/2006 11:22:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com writes: I don't think the story was totally negative. Depitro lied in it, he didn't win anything last month, Metro defunked what Depitro said about negotiations with the Partners, that story could of been a lot worse. The reporter got a few things wrong. I'm not impressed. Dear s325run1 - I can see why you don't use your name. At least the reporter spelled DePetro right. The reporter did NOT quote DePetro regarding the lawsuit. The statement is an error in the report. I believe you mean, debunked, where you say defunked (isn't that what Asbury Partners was supposed to do to the sewer plant?) and where did Metro do that exactly? It read to me that Metro was saying it didn't mind getting held up at gun point by Fishman. He certainly doesn't say it's not true. What did you expect them to say? "Yeah, I really got screwed on this deal. Question is, where the hell will I hide the $100 grand plus per unit that I have to make back somehow?" Hmmm? Maureen Nevin Asbury Radio Maureen NevinAsbury Radio -"The Radio Voice of Asbury Park"88.1FM - "5" Years on the Air!!Asbury's Own Live Talk Show601 Bangs AvenueListen 8 - 10 PM Thursdays on 88.1FM orListen Live or Later on the Web http://www.restoreradio.com/Call the show 732-775-0821Call me 732-774-0779 fax 502-0463Speak up - It's America!! SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - Say it aint so!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" wrote:> >> > If the City doesn't get rid of the drugs, hookers and The Kingsley > Deli some people might walk. I have seen some hookers and dealers > going into the Deli. If the Deli closes, where will Jerrys kids play? I > Wonder if Rita will have them playin her house. There goes that > neighborhood> ~~~Fred, What does this City have on the Waterfront to where a person like myself with being disable with Epilepsy can walk to for a Gallon of milk,newspaper,cerel,snack,juicetc.Nothing ! She keeps up on whats going on in this City.Nothing wrong with that.We could use some more of that.Look at the Chair she found the City buying tat was over price.She works 7 days a week.If everyone kept there mouth shut at City Council meetings the town would be like it was with that last City Council that mostly all in Jail.Go back to my message 14416 read it think about it lets try to get along here.Grow up.You don't even sign your name to your message give out your e-mail what are you scare of Fred.Introduce yourself to me sometime.Be a man or women what ever you are.Just read message 14416.Hookers & Dealers are going in stores all over city.Even in City Hall on Fridays for court.Hiding like you are means you have something to hide in my eyes.James GrabePatriot OfficerVeterans AllianceAsbury Park N.J. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - Say i t ain’t so!
In a message dated 2/18/2006 7:46:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > If the City doesn't get rid of the drugs, hookers and The Kingsley Deli some people might walk. I have seen some hookers and dealers going into the Deli. If the Deli closes, where will Jerrys kids play? I Wonder if Rita will have them playin her house. There goes that neighborhood Fredy fish, It's I good thing your a faceless sissy, or other wise Rita could smack that ridicules smirk of your face. I myself, was taught not to hit a girl. You should work as hard as she does, still has time to contribute to her community, and all without being a one note player. I guess you would like all her other customers to disappear too, so Larry could land bank some more. Your comments shows how afraid of the truth you are. It's sad when even the sissies attack old ladies to help Larry. Perhaps you are on the city payroll, because anybody who had a real job would respect people who work everyday. You could of wrote, if the city had a du diligent council that did not trust Weldon or hire Reidy, Jordon and Aaron, the city would not have Hookers, Drug Dealers, and the Partners on a dilapidated beachfront in 2006, that would have been a true statement. Then, I would know you were not a shill for Larry. It is not necessary to mention and defame Rita's name or her business on this List, since she does not debate with us. If you want to say something to her say it to her face. You got shit on your face. SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Nintendo to launch Pokemon amusement park
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[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
Any facade of a lack of marketing skills is just that. How can someone who appears so incompetent be so successful? Sass/Lamle are NOT knights in shining armor. They are vulture investors. They've built billion dollar fortunes by finding a dollars worth of assets selling for 10 cents, then selling that asset for 40 cents as fast as possible. 4 times your money in 5 years isn't bad for anyone. Using conservative leverage that's 20 times your money in 5 years. Knowing what the Waterfront is worth and wanting what the Waterfront is worth are two different arguments. In an unfavorable business climate with only another 2X upside in the next 20 years, some risks aren't worth taking. They'll cash out & go look for another Asbury Park circa 2001. I hope council recognizes the vultures position, and milks them for everything before they go. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > MDSASS knows what the Waterfront is worth they will find > investors and things will work out. Do you really think they will go > without a fight? In the end they will give the city what they want > but the city needs to stay on top of them every inch of the way. > Furthermore they need some major help with thier Marketing skills. I > hope the city demands that or someting close to it. They thought they > needed mass density to make it work, they were wrong and need a new > plan.You know what they probally already have it. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Isn't there a bar stool calling for you and your best friend"The Camera" "MDSASS knows what the Waterfront is worth they will find investors > and things will work out. Furthermore they need some major help with > thier Marketing skills. You know what they probally already have it." > > News Flash: > Fred is Fred Fishman, runt of the litter, raised by a shepherd and his > flock in the hills just south of the Golan heights, recently reunited > with his family of Fish, as a result of a visit to a local hospital, > which involved DNA testing, after being attacked by a pack of wolves, > which left him brain challenged from an infection resulting from > contracting rabies. > > Larry has appointed Fred as point man in The Partners public relations > department. Therefore, as much as it pains me, I defer to Fred Fish > on all matters Fishman. > > Hence, and I couldn't have said it better, "they probally already have > it." > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - Say it aint so!
"I have seen some hookers and dealers going into the Deli." 2nd News Flash: Fred Fish is a hooker-drug dealer, hanging out just outside Rita's. Hope this doesn't jeopardize his new appointment at Larry's new speak department. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
"MDSASS knows what the Waterfront is worth they will find investors and things will work out. Furthermore they need some major help with thier Marketing skills. You know what they probally already have it." News Flash: Fred is Fred Fishman, runt of the litter, raised by a shepherd and his flock in the hills just south of the Golan heights, recently reunited with his family of Fish, as a result of a visit to a local hospital, which involved DNA testing, after being attacked by a pack of wolves, which left him brain challenged from an infection resulting from contracting rabies. Larry has appointed Fred as point man in The Partners public relations department. Therefore, as much as it pains me, I defer to Fred Fish on all matters Fishman. Hence, and I couldn't have said it better, "they probally already have it." Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - Say it aint so!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If the City doesn't get rid of the drugs, hookers and The Kingsley Deli some people might walk. I have seen some hookers and dealers going into the Deli. If the Deli closes, where will Jerrys kids play? I Wonder if Rita will have them playin her house. There goes that neighborhood "Some 90 units "sold". I use "sold" because we all know that until it > gets closer to completion anyone can walk - like all those investors > should prices "soften" and rates rise." > > Say it ain't so! You mean to tell me that all those smart New Yorkers > might not close on their million dollar bits of SoHo meets South > Beach? Who you trying to kid? > > Surely with all the neat cartoons, the great restoration of the > boardwalk buildings and fabulous yellow paint, not to mention the > incredibly clever landscaping, so neuvo Hiroshima, who but the genius > Fishman bro's could have thunk it, do you honestly think these deals > might not close? I'm speechless. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - Say it aint so!
"Some 90 units "sold". I use "sold" because we all know that until it gets closer to completion anyone can walk - like all those investors should prices "soften" and rates rise." Say it ain't so! You mean to tell me that all those smart New Yorkers might not close on their million dollar bits of SoHo meets South Beach? Who you trying to kid? Surely with all the neat cartoons, the great restoration of the boardwalk buildings and fabulous yellow paint, not to mention the incredibly clever landscaping, so neuvo Hiroshima, who but the genius Fishman bro's could have thunk it, do you honestly think these deals might not close? I'm speechless. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" > wrote: > > > > MDSASS knows what the Waterfront is worth they will find investors and things will work out. Do you really think they will go without a fight? In the end they will give the city what they want but the city needs to stay on top of them every inch of the way. Furthermore they need some major help with thier Marketing skills. I hope the city demands that or someting close to it. They thought they needed mass density to make it work, they were wrong and need a new plan.You know what they probally already have it. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - cause they care
"Jayson Blair concocted stories. Are you suggesting that Ron Smothers did the same? Why would you besmirch someone's reputation needlessly? Was it not TCN and you that printed lies about me? Was it not you that took statements out of context to fit your own agenda? Please. You want some coverage from them for your freeholder race? Say what you will, the state of affairs AP is in lies at the feet of Partners and the Council that allowed them to get away with it." 'I come to bury the NY Times not praise them'; in truth the triCity, pulp ad circular, hopes to bury all media. Interesting to note the blind one is very sensitive about personal attacks, involving itself, but blindly goes forth with its publisher, attacking willy nilly any they find unsympathetic to their party line. Lying, besmirching, taking comments out of context, etc. who among us is surprised? We're talking triCity; `cause they care. As to coverage on its freeholder race, fo'get'bout it, it doesn't need anyone, the world is its oyster; despite the fact the triCity is no NYT, APP, Coaster, they aren't and don't need to be`cause they care. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
"Called in some markers" taints the whole thing. Your words, not anyone else. You even said that you supplied the angle. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" > wrote: > > > > Easy there Gary! You won't find anyone saying triCity did a story > > because they "called in a marker." There is no such quid pro quo > for > > journalism at triCity. You have to go to the NY Times to find > writers > > of that ilk (see, e.g. Jayson Blair). > > > > Tom, I am surprised at you making such an allegation. What I did is > through personal connections get in touch with the NJ bureau and > inform them that I thought there was a newsworthy story here. They > looked. If there was no story, they would not print any. It is not > easy to get the NYT down here as it often gets overshadowed by larger > NJ cities. That is the extent of my involvement; come look and see. > They were on their own from there. Cold calling would not work. But in > the end there had to be interest in the story. Jayson Blair concocted > stories. Are you suggesting that Ron Smothers did the same? Why would > you besmirch someone's reputation needlessly? Was it not TCN and you > that printed lies about me? Was it not you that tokk statements out of > context to fit your own agenda? Please. You want some coverage from > them for your freeholder race? Say what you will, the state of affairs > AP is in lies at the feet of Partners and the Council that allowed > them to get away with it. Hopefully that may end now. I agree with JJ, > MD Sass is not long for here. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
to JJ and Dan, they know. According to tsome folks, up til august, sales were "robust" at the north beach. Some 90 units "sold". See what happens when warmer weather approaches. I use "sold" because we all know that until it gets closer to completetion anyone can walk - like all those investors should prices "soften" and rates rise. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Easy there Gary! You won't find anyone saying triCity did a story > because they "called in a marker." There is no such quid pro quo for > journalism at triCity. You have to go to the NY Times to find writers > of that ilk (see, e.g. Jayson Blair). > Tom, I am surprised at you making such an allegation. What I did is through personal connections get in touch with the NJ bureau and inform them that I thought there was a newsworthy story here. They looked. If there was no story, they would not print any. It is not easy to get the NYT down here as it often gets overshadowed by larger NJ cities. That is the extent of my involvement; come look and see. They were on their own from there. Cold calling would not work. But in the end there had to be interest in the story. Jayson Blair concocted stories. Are you suggesting that Ron Smothers did the same? Why would you besmirch someone's reputation needlessly? Was it not TCN and you that printed lies about me? Was it not you that tokk statements out of context to fit your own agenda? Please. You want some coverage from them for your freeholder race? Say what you will, the state of affairs AP is in lies at the feet of Partners and the Council that allowed them to get away with it. Hopefully that may end now. I agree with JJ, MD Sass is not long for here. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - deja vu all over again
apoojo, why do you keep posting copies of prior posts? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
"Mr. Lamle, however, suggested that some of the criticism comes from those who sought to pay bargain-basement prices for development on prime real estate." Was he looking in the mirror when he made this statement? Flashback, June 2001: http://tinyurl.com/dlyhb I wouldn't be surprised if Lamle & Sass were looking at exit strategies right now. They have gone through a complete business cycle with all of the easy money (subdevelopers) made and no revenue generated from the Oceanfront for the foreseeable future. With an inverted yield curve, defaults surging, and personal spending exceeding income, "happy days" will be here again soon enough for the vultures. They are going to have plenty more opportunities to make fast bucks in other distressed property, especially when they put the "Miracle of Asbury Park" fable on their resume. Having the Oceanfront liability off their back frees them up to screw up some other town. I'll say by April Fool's Day they announce they're out. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Mistakes in Times
1.The Depitro lie he didn't confirm. 2. He said some councilmen, that means three he only talked to two Keady and Bruno. Bruno didn't go where Keady went, so that leaves one so why didn't he talk to the other two? Maybe because he was trying to mislead. Only a thought. 3. March 15th is the deadline not March 30th. Wash your face DOF Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - deja vu all over again
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, gtscarano212@ wrote: > > > > > > The reporter got a few things wrong. I'm not impressed. > > Could you explain to the group, what the reporter got wrong. The > reporter > > talks about missed opportunities. Maybe the reporter has been to > more council > > meetings than you. Even the city manager said hello to him. He not > a secret > > writer and take cheap shots like you. > > For somebody who only had a few weeks to write the story, he said > what Nancy > > could never say in 4 years. She objectivity was busy using the > word "critics" > > when people spoke up at the meetings about the missed deadlines > in the > > redevelopment plan. > > Even the Press's Editorials Talk about missed opportunities and > another > > summer with the beachfront looking run down while Cookman Ave and > the rest of the > > city is picking up. The Beachfront is the is why most people came > to AP for > > the last 130 years. > > > you sue you dont mean 13 years, 130 is stretching it Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - deja vu all over again
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, gtscarano212@ wrote: > > > > > > The reporter got a few things wrong. I'm not impressed. > > Could you explain to the group, what the reporter got wrong. The > reporter > > talks about missed opportunities. Maybe the reporter has been to > more council > > meetings than you. Even the city manager said hello to him. He not > a secret > > writer and take cheap shots like you. > > For somebody who only had a few weeks to write the story, he said > what Nancy > > could never say in 4 years. She objectivity was busy using the > word "critics" > > when people spoke up at the meetings about the missed deadlines > in the > > redevelopment plan. > > Even the Press's Editorials Talk about missed opportunities and > another > > summer with the beachfront looking run down while Cookman Ave and > the rest of the > > city is picking up. The Beachfront is the is why most people came > to AP for > > the last 130 years. > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty wrote: > > > -- even Tri City should wake up > > and print some truth once in a while. > > Easy there Gary! You won't find anyone saying triCity did a story > because they "called in a marker." There is no such quid pro quo for > journalism at triCity. You have to go to the NY Times to find writers > of that ilk (see, e.g. Jayson Blair). > i dont know about the entire staff, you i believe but others, jak jones, s.s. have written articles which i consider personal agendas. this leaves us with the biggest hoax of all, your paper trying to get dunclan oscalion electd to state office, i am so so glad i had 20 relatives living in his district, that 40 swing probably cost him the election.. what is the saying pay back is sweet, oh so sweet for many of us in asbury, since he played such an important role in getting elected in Asbury most of the crooks serving time, butchy, ray ray,jimmy c. , etc etc. he got bennet hired, thank god he was not here long enough to codify our records or we would be broke, you are clean your paper is not Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - deja vu all over again
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > The reporter got a few things wrong. I'm not impressed. > Could you explain to the group, what the reporter got wrong. The reporter > talks about missed opportunities. Maybe the reporter has been to more council > meetings than you. Even the city manager said hello to him. He not a secret > writer and take cheap shots like you. > For somebody who only had a few weeks to write the story, he said what Nancy > could never say in 4 years. She objectivity was busy using the word "critics" > when people spoke up at the meetings about the missed deadlines in the > redevelopment plan. > Even the Press's Editorials Talk about missed opportunities and another > summer with the beachfront looking run down while Cookman Ave and the rest of the > city is picking up. The Beachfront is the is why most people came to AP for > the last 130 years. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
On 2/18/06 4:48 PM, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> -- even Tri City should wake up >> and print some truth once in a while. > > Easy there Gary! You won't find anyone saying triCity did a story > because they "called in a marker." There is no such quid pro quo for > journalism at triCity. You have to go to the NY Times to find writers > of that ilk (see, e.g. Jayson Blair). > I think the columnists all do their jobs well; however, the "news" in that supposed newspaper is truly lacking. There are a million stories happening in the Monmouth County area every week and it seems like they never reach Tri-City unless a press release is faxed over. Sorry, but I prefer my "alternative papers" to be like the Village Voice where writers launch their career from. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: new york time "3 pictures . not one is positive" thank you for printing it
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > February 18, 2006 > Asbury Park Gives Developer a Deadline for a Project Long Overdue > By RONALD SMOTHERS > ASBURY PARK, N.J., Feb. 15 The Asbury Park City Council, under > pressure to show more progress on redeveloping 56 acres on the > blighted oceanfront, has given the master developer one month to > negotiate changes in its agreement with the city to speed progress > and prove its financial ability to fulfill the plan. > > The attempt to push things along comes some four years after the > city entered into the agreement with Asbury Partners, the developer. > > But it has been a battle of more than 15 years since the town's > first ambitious efforts to revive its oceanfront became mired in the > bankruptcy of a developer, protracted litigation, corruption > investigations and indictments of some appointed and elected town > officials. > > There has been some progress. Construction is under way on three > condominium projects by major developers brought in by Asbury > Partners within the redevelopment area, just blocks from the ocean: > the whimsical South Beach-style Esperanza, 224 condomium units in 10- > and 16-story buildings in the center of the redevelopment area; 146 > town houses to the south on the shore of Wesley Lake; and a 156- unit > condominium at the northern end of the redevelopment area. > > The units, which areslated to sell for $400,000 to $1.1 million, > represent 525 of the projected 3,100 residential units for the area. > > But the resort town's trademark boardwalk buildings the Convention > Hall, pavilions, and the Casino and Paramount Theater buildings > which were the direct responsibility of Asbury Partners, remain > ghostlike and largely vacant structures beside the Atlantic Ocean. > > And while Victorian mansions in inland areas have been bought up and > given new life, the defining symbol of the city today remains the > rusting steel girders of an unfinished high-rise condominium > building near the ocean that was abandoned 10 years ago when the > first developer went bankrupt. > > Since 2001, when Asbury Partners, a Lakewood-based real estate and > development company, offered to take the reins of the redevelopment > effort, there have been so many delays and other problems that they > have spent only $5.5 million of an estimated $60 million in > preparation work on the infrastructure of the area, city officials > said. > > This week, council members voted to give Asbury Partners until March > 30 to amend their agreement with the city to create clear timetables > for the redevelopment of the boardwalk buildings, produce a concept > plan for their marketing, show clearer proof of financial ability, > and set sanctions for failure to comply with the timetable. > > Both city officials and Asbury Partners say they are making progress > in their talks, but both sides have declared a "news blackout" on > the negotiations and will not talk about specifics. > > Deputy Mayor James Bruno, a member of the five-member City Council, > said that the new deadline was established "because we were just > sick of looking at those buildings down there," referring to the > Beaux Arts Convention Hall and the other structures that the > redeveloper bought from the city. > > It is unclear how much leverage the city has to force Asbury > Partners to speed things along. Further, there is a palpable fear > that to push too hard could result in a round of litigation that > would dwarf the nearly 10 years of delay and bankruptcy-related > lawsuits that befell the city's first redeveloper. > > "Maybe we should have demanded more from them earlier, but we are > not out for revenge now," said Mr. Bruno, a two-term councilman who > was part of a reform slate that welcomed Asbury Partners to town in > 2001 when they offered to put up money to clear the properties from > bankruptcy proceedings. "We just want them to live up to their part > of the agreement." > > Some other council members are more skeptical. > > "I don't think Asbury Partners shares our vision for the town," said > James Keady, a recently elected councilman who is one of two members > pressing for the amendments. " And I don't think they have the > ability to perform." > > It is not just the city or developers who have much at stake in the > progress of Asbury Partners. For the last several years, individuals > have invested heavily in the hopes of Asbury Park's rebirth and > bought up sagging properties in and around the oceanfront > redevelopment area at bargain prices in hopes of a future bonanza. > > Those investments sparked further hopes that this time, Asbury Park > was on its way back to the kind of heyday it enjoyed from the 1920's > to the 1940's, when it was a seaside playland for the wealthy and > the upwardly mobile. > > In the last few years, renovated Vict
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -- even Tri City should wake up > and print some truth once in a while. Easy there Gary! You won't find anyone saying triCity did a story because they "called in a marker." There is no such quid pro quo for journalism at triCity. You have to go to the NY Times to find writers of that ilk (see, e.g. Jayson Blair). Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: new york time "3 pictures . not one is positive"
February 18, 2006 Asbury Park Gives Developer a Deadline for a Project Long Overdue By RONALD SMOTHERS ASBURY PARK, N.J., Feb. 15 The Asbury Park City Council, under pressure to show more progress on redeveloping 56 acres on the blighted oceanfront, has given the master developer one month to negotiate changes in its agreement with the city to speed progress and prove its financial ability to fulfill the plan. The attempt to push things along comes some four years after the city entered into the agreement with Asbury Partners, the developer. But it has been a battle of more than 15 years since the town's first ambitious efforts to revive its oceanfront became mired in the bankruptcy of a developer, protracted litigation, corruption investigations and indictments of some appointed and elected town officials. There has been some progress. Construction is under way on three condominium projects by major developers brought in by Asbury Partners within the redevelopment area, just blocks from the ocean: the whimsical South Beach-style Esperanza, 224 condomium units in 10- and 16-story buildings in the center of the redevelopment area; 146 town houses to the south on the shore of Wesley Lake; and a 156-unit condominium at the northern end of the redevelopment area. The units, which areslated to sell for $400,000 to $1.1 million, represent 525 of the projected 3,100 residential units for the area. But the resort town's trademark boardwalk buildings the Convention Hall, pavilions, and the Casino and Paramount Theater buildings which were the direct responsibility of Asbury Partners, remain ghostlike and largely vacant structures beside the Atlantic Ocean. And while Victorian mansions in inland areas have been bought up and given new life, the defining symbol of the city today remains the rusting steel girders of an unfinished high-rise condominium building near the ocean that was abandoned 10 years ago when the first developer went bankrupt. Since 2001, when Asbury Partners, a Lakewood-based real estate and development company, offered to take the reins of the redevelopment effort, there have been so many delays and other problems that they have spent only $5.5 million of an estimated $60 million in preparation work on the infrastructure of the area, city officials said. This week, council members voted to give Asbury Partners until March 30 to amend their agreement with the city to create clear timetables for the redevelopment of the boardwalk buildings, produce a concept plan for their marketing, show clearer proof of financial ability, and set sanctions for failure to comply with the timetable. Both city officials and Asbury Partners say they are making progress in their talks, but both sides have declared a "news blackout" on the negotiations and will not talk about specifics. Deputy Mayor James Bruno, a member of the five-member City Council, said that the new deadline was established "because we were just sick of looking at those buildings down there," referring to the Beaux Arts Convention Hall and the other structures that the redeveloper bought from the city. It is unclear how much leverage the city has to force Asbury Partners to speed things along. Further, there is a palpable fear that to push too hard could result in a round of litigation that would dwarf the nearly 10 years of delay and bankruptcy-related lawsuits that befell the city's first redeveloper. "Maybe we should have demanded more from them earlier, but we are not out for revenge now," said Mr. Bruno, a two-term councilman who was part of a reform slate that welcomed Asbury Partners to town in 2001 when they offered to put up money to clear the properties from bankruptcy proceedings. "We just want them to live up to their part of the agreement." Some other council members are more skeptical. "I don't think Asbury Partners shares our vision for the town," said James Keady, a recently elected councilman who is one of two members pressing for the amendments. " And I don't think they have the ability to perform." It is not just the city or developers who have much at stake in the progress of Asbury Partners. For the last several years, individuals have invested heavily in the hopes of Asbury Park's rebirth and bought up sagging properties in and around the oceanfront redevelopment area at bargain prices in hopes of a future bonanza. Those investments sparked further hopes that this time, Asbury Park was on its way back to the kind of heyday it enjoyed from the 1920's to the 1940's, when it was a seaside playland for the wealthy and the upwardly mobile. In the last few years, renovated Victorians arrayed around three small lakes in the city have become visible signs of those hopes. They, in turn, have triggered a bustle of activity in the downtown area six blocks inland, where new restaurants and stores are popping up and a community of gays and lesbians has s
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - deja vu all over again
"I have neither the power nor inclination to affect what anyone reports. Hopefully, only the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth gets reported. I cannot understand anyone who wants to stand in the way of the truth coming to light." Fred belongs to that small clique of Asburians for whom "the truth will [never] set them free". These folks live in a bubble of good thoughts, joyous memories, and look forward to a utopian future, wherein their every wish may be bestowed, all irritants shall be hidden away and the notion of disappointment will be forgotten; they will have their cake and eat it too, in an Asbury even the gods will envy. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - deja vu all over again
The reporter got a few things wrong. I'm not impressed. Could you explain to the group, what the reporter got wrong. The reporter talks about missed opportunities. Maybe the reporter has been to more council meetings than you. Even the city manager said hello to him. He not a secret writer and take cheap shots like you. For somebody who only had a few weeks to write the story, he said what Nancy could never say in 4 years. She objectivity was busy using the word "critics" when people spoke up at the meetings about the missed deadlines in the redevelopment plan. Even the Press's Editorials Talk about missed opportunities and another summer with the beachfront looking run down while Cookman Ave and the rest of the city is picking up. The Beachfront is the is why most people came to AP for the last 130 years. SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
To I don't think the story was totally negative. Depitro lied in it, he didn't win anything last month, Metro defunked what Depitro said about negotiations with the Partners, that story could of been a lot worse. The reporter got a few things wrong. I'm not impressed. Could you explain why you think Depitro lied, he did win something(s) in court and still appealing other things in court that will actually help other land owners in the redevelopment zone. Are you spending any of your money in lawsuits to protect your property rights. Could you explain why Glen Fishman could not connect with the the reporter. He connected well enough with Malina, Lofferdo, Saunders, Bruno, Weldon, and Aaron. Do you think Dean Geibel was actually encouraged by the way in which Partners dealt with him about the C-8 site. You have not heard of any stories of other people doing business with the Partners in AP. I wonder what Dean will say about the Partners in a few months, in the next year, and what law suits will come between them in the next few years. In an interview, Asbury Partners' principals, Glen Fishman and Hugh Lamle, declined to discuss their dealings with subdevelopers like Mr. DePetro. Mr. Lamle, however, suggested that some of the criticism comes from those who sought to pay bargain-basement prices for development on prime real estate. On the issue of the boardwalk buildings that they are supposed to develop under the plan, the two said they had conducted marketing studies, but they would not disclose the results. They said only that there was "great interest" among developers for the properties. The builder of the Esperanza complex, Dean Geibel, president of Metro Homes, said he was satisfied that Asbury Partners had dealt fairly with him. He said that development fees and infrastructure fees, which affect the selling price of units, are commonly the subject of negotiations in such deals. He also said that he had agreed to deed over some of the commercial space in his planned buildings to Asbury Partners and that it was justified by the redevelopers' need to "control the type of retail and tone" of the area. "It is the way for them to make sure that the beachfront area is what they want," he said. "I was actually encouraged by the way in which they dealt with this part." SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - deja vu all over again
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" wrote: > > > > I called in some markers I had coming to me. > > > Fred, that remark by me is in fact an admission that I used my > influence to have someone from the NYT report a story. My last > response was that I did not have it in my power, nor should I, to > affect what in fact they report. I have neither the power nor > inclination to affect what anyone reports. Hopefully, only the truth, > the whole truth and nothing but the truth gets reported. I cannot > understand anyone who wants to stand in the way of the truth coming to > light. The cannot be up to good and are not to be trusted if that is > their aim. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - deja vu all over again
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I called in some markers I had coming to me. > Fred, that remark by me is in fact an admission that I used my influence to have someone from the NYT report a story. My last response was that I did not have it in my power, nor should I, to affect what in fact they report. I have neither the power nor inclination to affect what anyone reports. Hopefully, only the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth gets reported. I cannot understand anyone who wants to stand in the way of the truth coming to light. The cannot be up to good and are not to be trusted if that is their aim. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
On 2/18/06 10:22 AM, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "s325run1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> The story is in todays NYT, front page in the Metro section. It is >> about the slow re-developement of Asbury. There are 3 photos. All are >> negative. None are positive >> > The truth will set you free. For four years people have stuck their > heads in the sand and hoped for the best. Look where we are with > regard to the beachfront properties. The article was not strong I agree. I don't understand why people AREN'T MADDER. This isn't a story that should be pushed aside for fear that it will make things worse. This is a story that should be on the front page of the Asbury Park Press. It should be in the Coaster, the Star Ledger -- even Tri City should wake up and print some truth once in a while. Asbury Partners may (and probably has been) hindered by too many regulations but the fact is that they ARE moving slowly... Too slowly. Things need to change and only by telling the truth will that happen. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - deja vu all over again
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:05 pm Subject: Re: Look who asking the questions now. dfsavgny Offline Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360º --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Today, one photographer & two N Y Times reporters were on fact finding > missions in different parts of Asbury Park. To bad the A P Press has only one > reporter for Asbury Park. I wonder who called in the Times. > I called in some markers I had coming to me. Wow, deja vu all over again, one of the most cogent pieces Fred's yet > written. Who could disagree with this argument? > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" wrote: > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote: > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" wrote: > > > > > > > I called in some markers I had coming to me. > > > > > > > > "Dan's plan when he got the reporter to do this. Make it negative." > > > > > > > > Wow, didn't know you had such power; I'm impressed Dan. > > > > > > > I didn't know either. Fred, I don't know who you are, so do me a > > > favor and say it to my face. As for trying make the story negative, > > > why would I do such a thing? What would be in it for me? In fact, I > > > would only have something to lose since I am a property owner, not > > a > > > speculator, but a house for my family. As for the pictures being > > > negative, whose fault is that? The photos don't lie. They show the > > > failure of Partners to live up to its obligations and those in > > power > > > who are responsible for making them do so. I don't hide my goals; > > to > > > make sure this city is developed in a responsible manner with the > > > greatest benefit to citizens. If that calls for bringing pressure > > on > > > the City and Partners to live up to its obligations or ousting > > > Partners, then so be it. I firmly beleive that latter will be > > > necessary because I cannot see Partners doing it. I'll say it > > again; > > > the proof of the pudding is in the tasting. I think we know what it > > > tastes like. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - deja vu all over again
Wow, deja vu all over again, one of the most cogent pieces Fred's yet written. Who could disagree with this argument? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote: > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" wrote: > > > > > I called in some markers I had coming to me. > > > > "Dan's plan when he got the reporter to do this. Make it negative." > > > > > > Wow, didn't know you had such power; I'm impressed Dan. > > > > > I didn't know either. Fred, I don't know who you are, so do me a > > favor and say it to my face. As for trying make the story negative, > > why would I do such a thing? What would be in it for me? In fact, I > > would only have something to lose since I am a property owner, not > a > > speculator, but a house for my family. As for the pictures being > > negative, whose fault is that? The photos don't lie. They show the > > failure of Partners to live up to its obligations and those in > power > > who are responsible for making them do so. I don't hide my goals; > to > > make sure this city is developed in a responsible manner with the > > greatest benefit to citizens. If that calls for bringing pressure > on > > the City and Partners to live up to its obligations or ousting > > Partners, then so be it. I firmly beleive that latter will be > > necessary because I cannot see Partners doing it. I'll say it > again; > > the proof of the pudding is in the tasting. I think we know what it > > tastes like. > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" wrote: > > > I called in some markers I had coming to me. > "Dan's plan when he got the reporter to do this. Make it negative." > > > > Wow, didn't know you had such power; I'm impressed Dan. > > > I didn't know either. Fred, I don't know who you are, so do me a > favor and say it to my face. As for trying make the story negative, > why would I do such a thing? What would be in it for me? In fact, I > would only have something to lose since I am a property owner, not a > speculator, but a house for my family. As for the pictures being > negative, whose fault is that? The photos don't lie. They show the > failure of Partners to live up to its obligations and those in power > who are responsible for making them do so. I don't hide my goals; to > make sure this city is developed in a responsible manner with the > greatest benefit to citizens. If that calls for bringing pressure on > the City and Partners to live up to its obligations or ousting > Partners, then so be it. I firmly beleive that latter will be > necessary because I cannot see Partners doing it. I'll say it again; > the proof of the pudding is in the tasting. I think we know what it > tastes like. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Dan's plan when he got the reporter to do this. Make it negative." > > Wow, didn't know you had such power; I'm impressed Dan. > I didn't know either. Fred, I don't know who you are, so do me a favor and say it to my face. As for trying make the story negative, why would I do such a thing? What would be in it for me? In fact, I would only have something to lose since I am a property owner, not a speculator, but a house for my family. As for the pictures being negative, whose fault is that? The photos don't lie. They show the failure of Partners to live up to its obligations and those in power who are responsible for making them do so. I don't hide my goals; to make sure this city is developed in a responsible manner with the greatest benefit to citizens. If that calls for bringing pressure on the City and Partners to live up to its obligations or ousting Partners, then so be it. I firmly beleive that latter will be necessary because I cannot see Partners doing it. I'll say it again; the proof of the pudding is in the tasting. I think we know what it tastes like. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Didn't he brag about this last week. " I called in a some markers" "Dan's plan when he got the reporter to do this. Make it negative." > > Wow, didn't know you had such power; I'm impressed Dan. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
"Dan's plan when he got the reporter to do this. Make it negative." Wow, didn't know you had such power; I'm impressed Dan. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
There are 3 photos. All are negative. None are positive" I've uploaded the 2 pictures, from the online article, to the Yahoo site; as for negative, this is Larry's best work, you should see the stuff he turns out when forced to spend his own money. For some of those pictures: http://www.jerseyshoregourmet.com/miscellaneous/Asbury/Overdue.htm Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "s325run1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That was Dan's plan when he got the reporter to do this. Make it negative. Look who the reporter talked too. This was going to be totally one sided, I think that changed when he started to talk to the other side. Nice try Dan The story is in todays NYT, front page in the Metro section. It is > about the slow re-developement of Asbury. There are 3 photos. All are > negative. None are positive > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "s325run1" wrote: > > > > I don't think the story was totally negative. Depitro lied in it, he didn't win anything last month, Metro defunked what Depitro said about negotiations with the Partners, that story could of been a lot worse. The reporter got a few things wrong. I'm not impressed. > > about the slow re-developement of Asbury. There are 3 photos. All are > > negative. None are positive > > > The truth will set you free. For four years people have stuck their > heads in the sand and hoped for the best. Look where we are with > regard to the beachfront properties. The article was not strong > enough, although I think it makes clear that individuals, both small > developers and property owners, are those who are pushing this city > foward and that it is Asbury Partners that is holding us back. I think > the story speaks of hope and not failure. Asbury Partners WILL NEVER > rehabilatate the beachfront buildings. The sooner that is realized the > better off we will be. We can't cry over spilled milk, but it is what > it is and we have to fix it. They have to go; the sonner the better. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "s325run1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The story is in todays NYT, front page in the Metro section. It is > about the slow re-developement of Asbury. There are 3 photos. All are > negative. None are positive > The truth will set you free. For four years people have stuck their heads in the sand and hoped for the best. Look where we are with regard to the beachfront properties. The article was not strong enough, although I think it makes clear that individuals, both small developers and property owners, are those who are pushing this city foward and that it is Asbury Partners that is holding us back. I think the story speaks of hope and not failure. Asbury Partners WILL NEVER rehabilatate the beachfront buildings. The sooner that is realized the better off we will be. We can't cry over spilled milk, but it is what it is and we have to fix it. They have to go; the sonner the better. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] war, environmental deregulation, poverty
War has yet to prove capable of limiting human numbers (I suppose nuclear Armageddon would do the trick), degradation of the environment is an outcome of explosive growth and poverty is a double edged sword, shortening life expectancy while increasing reproduction (look at the third world). Like all species we like to do it, we're good at it, and it looks to be our ultimate downfall; seems to survive and succeed, we need to learn a behavior no god, culture or genetic program has ever considered, make love for the fun of it, not to go forth and multiply. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: new york time "3 pictures . not one is positive"
NY Times article here: Asbury Park Gives Developer a Deadline for a Project Long Overdue - New York Times Original Message Subj: [AsburyPark] Re: new york time "3 pictures . not one is positive" Date: 2/18/2006 9:52:59 AM Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent on: Anyone know what this is about?--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "s325run1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> 3 pictures . not one is positive. How can Asbury get going with> negative reporting?>Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: City Officials needs your Guidance
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > PS...the developer, even before making the offer, had very > impressive drawings and a game plan - time lines - from acquistion > to last unit sold. > Well that's because they are genuine and in the business; not an amatuer and vulture like Partners. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] NYT article
The story is in todays NYT, front page in the Metro section. It is about the slow re-developement of Asbury. There are 3 photos. All are negative. None are positive Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: mortgage &/or tax foreclosed property
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "jerseyjohn99" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >ineland. > He's forced to sell his 140 acre homestead to developers building an > age-restricted community. I told him about the Monmouth County Open > Space program. He would love to keep it open space, even at a > discount, but Cumberland County has no such program and he doesn't > want a distress sale of the farm after he's gone. > Is not the Trust for Public Land active in NJ? A number or orchards and older farms have been purchased (for millions) and life estates given to the seller to stay on and continue and the property stays as open space. Of course, the funds have to be raised. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: new york time "3 pictures . not one is positive"
Todays NYT has a front page story in the Metro section on the re-developement of Asbury -Original Message- From: Skip Bernstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:52:15 - Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: new york time "3 pictures . not one is positive" Anyone know what this is about? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "s325run1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 3 pictures . not one is positive. How can Asbury get going with > negative reporting? > Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: new york time "3 pictures . not one is positive"
Anyone know what this is about? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "s325run1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 3 pictures . not one is positive. How can Asbury get going with > negative reporting? > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] new york time 2/18/06
3 pictures . not one is positive. How can Asbury get going with negative reporting? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: mortgage &/or tax foreclosed property
"humans have no predator" war, environmental deregulation, poverty Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Thanks to Bruno, Keady and Johnson
I've been giving speeches all over the County the past 2 weeks. I'm very comfortable in front of strangers, and by all accounts I've been doing pretty well. Last night I gave a speech in Asbury Park in front of a crowd of people that in large measure, I knew. I've never done that before. Much to my surprise, I found myself feeling quite pressured and nervous. I can't explain why. I felt I gave my worst performance to date. Jim Keady, who I have complimented in the past as one of the best public speakers I've ever seen (if I could be him in front of a jury in my next case I'd probably make enough to retire) came over and gave some much needed tips on delivery. He's a pro at this and makes this very diffucult endeavor of public speaking look easy. I greatly appreciate the advice Jim. I have another this morning and I think I'll get some confidence back concentrating on what you told me. By the way Jim Keady, Ed Johnson and Jimmy Bruno, none of them to my knowledge are Republicans, braved a room full of R's to be there for me because I'm an Asbury guy. I love this City. That they were there added credibility to what I was doing in front of the Committee people that have to vote next week. Thanks again gentleman. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: mortgage &/or tax foreclosed property
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Land is indeed finite, human procreation knows no limit, humans have > no predator, possess an infinite capacity to reproduce and consume > till our numbers exhaust habitat, resources or crash due to stress >and > disease, resulting from the crush of our numbers. > > Driving up the price of finite resources is one of the few ways to > wean us from a lifestyle, which is killing us. > > You may find a world devoid of any life forms other than human > desirable; I believe most of us find the prospect hell on earth. Thanks for the input, but I think I'll stick with a more people friendly platform. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: mortgage &/or tax foreclosed property
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "jerseyjohn99" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BB, > > I'm confused. Let's say a farmer in Marlboro wants to monetize his > apple orchard to cover his estate taxes for his children. How does > selling it to a developer to build 5,000 sq ft McMansions benefit > a > younger family trying to buy their first home? It doesn't; it stops that young family. I'm for home rule JJ so I'm not trying to stop the Western Communities from preserving their open spaces at all. I have promised to support such initiatives and that farmer. I understand the issue of suburban sprawl. When I bought my house in Howell behind me was a corn field and in the winter we could take the most beautiful photos of snow capped Winter Rye from our second story. A few short years later, and now we have 16 houses there, and due to an unusual configuration two houses front porches overlook my back yard. Feels less than private when I'm waddling around in my bathing suit. Now we have 52,000 people living in the town and the classroom sizes are in the high 20's. Services have not caught up to development so I'm getting re-evaluated right now and have been told to expect a 50% hit in my taxes. There is nothing in my platform that invades home rule and stops open space initatives in any town that wants it. I will support it in the towns that want it. What I'm asking for is that when the County involves itself in creating open space, that it recognizes it will be pushing families toward our coastal and urban areas to live. Accordingly, when we buy an open space out west, I want the County to have a CORRELATIVE program at the shore, like a facade program in Asbury, a-rehab project in Long Branch and Keansburg, buy Belmar a Beach sweeper, etc. Right now the Freeholders are not recognizing the coastal and urban towns, despite the fact that the open space programs in the west will burden Urban areas. I want the farmer and the young family that needs a place to live both serviced. I'm just looking for some parity for our area since we are expected to house the people Marlboro is keeping out now that they have gone to 5 acre minimum zoning. > One of my childhood friends is a farmer's daughter down in >Vineland. > He's forced to sell his 140 acre homestead to developers building > an > age-restricted community. I told him about the Monmouth County >Open > Space program. He would love to keep it open space, even at a > discount, but Cumberland County has no such program and he doesn't > want a distress sale of the farm after he's gone. Like I said I support him. I will say though that his real enemy is the Estate taxes themselves. If we didn't have this triple tax on money, he wouldn't have this problem at all. When Jules and Donald owned the Asbury Park Press, they knew that when they died their Estate Taxes would be so high that their kids would have to sell the paper to pay it (just as your Farmer friend fears for his kids). They built this extraordinary family business and legacy but thanks to estate taxes they couldn't keep it. Just like your friend they knew their kids would be seen as overly- motivated sellers due to the tax burden and the buyers could take advantage of that (there's that whole negotiation skill thing again). Accordingly, they were forced to sell the paper. In the worst of all possible worlds, now we have Gannett, Collins and Hidlay in our lives. > I'd love to see an end to towns selling their COAH credits, and >remove > age-restricted developments from qualifying for those credits. Many people have expressed exactly this to me on the campaign trail regarding age-restricted housing. You seem very informed about this issue. > Good luck in your pursuit! It would be nice to have another honest > guy > in county government. Thanks JJ. It is hard to be seen as honest in the AP Press. They did a story about the Frheeholder Candidates recently. They interviewed me for more than 30 minutes. I got two lines. However several paragraphs were devoted to the 6 Republicans that were arrested for Bribery in the Bid Rig scandal last year. I don't even know those guys. What does it have to do with me? They did that all last year to Republicans during the election. The problem is Chris Christie arrested the same amount of Monmouth County Democrats as Republicans that day, yet I've never seen in a story about a Democrat candidate the names Terry Weldon or John Hamilton. Yesterday a reporter from the AP Press talked to me again. I thought Hidlay was finally cutting me a break and going to give me some coverage for my campaign, particularly since I'm the only Republican with a platform dealing with our Urban Areas. The reporter wanted to know my thoughts on the first anniversary of the Bid Rig scandal arrests next week. Good Grief. > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" > wrote: > > > >
