[AsburyPark] Re: tax abatements
>From that article: "It is an estimated $100 million project of improvements on property roughly worth $20 million" Property worth $20M !!! Asbury Partners paid only $7.5M for Carabetta's development properties. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > those in LB were a bit different > > http://atlanticville.gmnews.com/News/2004/0423/Front_Page/038.html > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: East Orange or Asbury Park?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I found something in this article for all of us. Something for Tom > Wolf, something for Gary, something for Werner. This police tech > stuff really has my attention. Starbucks comment, too. > > > > By Mark Egan > EAST ORANGE, New Jersey (Reuters) - Lenox Avenue in suburban East > Orange was long a hotbed of drugs and gun mayhem and one of New > Jersey's toughest streets. But Big Brother has cleaned it up. > > Police here say that thanks to new technology there has not been a > single violent crime in almost a year on a street where the > notorious Bloods gang sold $10 hits of crack cocaine and drive-by > shootings were once commonplace. > > Now high-tech cameras and gunshot sensors are mounted at each end of > Lenox Avenue, and on many other East Orange streets. The residential > avenue of mainly multifamily homes is blocked from traffic and, with > the exception of the 24-hour police presence, it looks as tranquil > as most New Jersey suburbs. > > "There's no drug dealers or nothing here. They all left," said Andre > Davis, 15, riding his scooter on Lenox. "There's no gang bangers, no > drugs. The cops done a good job." > > The effort is part of a push to reverse a trend which saw the town -- > once a middle-class suburb of executives who took a 30-minute train > ride to Manhattan -- reverse a decline sparked by the deadly 1967 > race riots in neighboring Newark, which gradually transformed the > town into a slum populated almost entirely by lower-income blacks. > > "This was once a very prominent city and a very safe place to live," > said East Orange Police Director Jose Cordero of the town of about > 70,000 people, whose Central Avenue was once called "the Fifth > Avenue of New Jersey." > > More recently, Cordero said, "People were fearful of not being able > to walk their streets." > > The veteran New York City police officer took the top job here in > 2004 and says homicides dropped to a 25-year low of 14 in 2005, down > from 22 in 2003. Overall crime is at a 20-year low. > > Last summer, police installed cameras in crime-ridden neighborhoods > and on the city's commercial center, each equipped with sensors that > can detect the sound of gunfire. Police use the cameras to zoom in > on certain streets and virtually "walk" down the pavements looking > for crime. > > DONATED TECHNOLOGY > > In what local cops call "The Brain Room," a half-a-dozen officers > monitor large flat-screen televisions showing street activity. And > a "Virtual Community Patrol" allows residents to view panoramic > still pictures of their block and report crimes to police using > their home computers.Continued ... > > "This program ... essentially hands over to community residents the > ability to place the eyes of the police on a criminal problem with > the click of a mouse," Cordero said. > > East Orange spent about $300,000 on the system, but the Internet > technology that brings it all together was donated by a Manhattan- > based company that provides broadband networks for law enforcement. > Police here say the equipment was free because the firm that makes > it hopes to use East Orange as a model to convince other towns to > buy such systems. > > Only a handful of U.S. cities including Newport News, Virginia, have > installed gunshot detectors -- more normally used by the military to > detect snipers in places such as Afghanistan. East Orange police > believe their overall crime technology is superior to that of any > similar-sized U.S. city. > > "This is a city moving in the right direction," Sgt. Chris > Anagnostis said as he drove around the town he has policed for 19 > years, pointing to just-built commercial developments still awaiting > tenants and new apartment buildings and townhomes. > > But for now Central Avenue, once home to upscale department stores, > fashionable boutiques and elegant restaurants, is a parade of fast- > food joints and discount stores. > > On at least one block, things have improved. The Hollywood Theater, > a plush movie palace where Spencer Tracy once attended a movie > premiere, has recently reopened as a five-screen multiplex. The > theater had been dark since 1986 before the $2.5 million renovation > by Hollywood Cinemas. > > Ken Baris of Jordan Baris Inc. Realtors in nearby West Orange said a > slew of new developments are selling well and, with homes in nearby > towns such as Montclair regularly fetching over $1 million, he > believes it is only a matter of time before commuters return to a > town they long ago abandoned. > > HOPING FOR RESURGENCE > > Mayor Robert Bowser wants to transform East Orange into an arts > center that could attract New Yorkers tired of exorbitant rents, > noting spacious, newly refurbished, pre-war apartments here rent for > a fraction of Manhattan prices. > > Bowser is in talks with big-name
[AsburyPark] Re: tax abatements
Here's an old post where I "did the math" as Oak likes to say: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/6542 I could update the numbers, but isn't that kinda like trying to teach a pig to sing? It's obvious no one cares about permanently eliminating deficit spending, giving city taxpayers a break, or making the Asbury Park school system self-sufficient. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty wrote: > > > > I can understand Long Branch residents being upset at the > abatements (not to > > mention the obvious emminent domain issues), but at least Long > Branch > > realized that you could only bargain so much. Within 2-3 years, > they're > > already making more than they were before the development and > within the > > abatement is gone after year 5. > > > > That's really not that bad. > > > > If you believe the AP's analysis (which I am not saying is not > correct) the City is not losing anything. It is the County (which > only gets 5%) and the schools (0) that lose out. Now it may seem > that AP was smarter because it is not losing the tax revenue, > however, these abatements last 10 years (they have a life of 16 > years from approval so to get the full 10 years the units have to be > built by the 6th year). If Abbott funding lasts that long maybe no > problem, but if it doesn't there could be trouble. I assume the > people buying those units will not be burdening the school system > during the abatement period if they listen to Fishman and keep their > kids home. If they did but were not paying then I would have a > problem since I am paying and not using. The abatements only go to > fatten the wallet of Partners. What's the common denominator in > these two cities? Jim Aaron. Should not only be fired, but censured > and sued for malpractice. It is unbelievable that he is still > advising the Council. They deserve each other. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] East Orange or Asbury Park?
I found something in this article for all of us. Something for Tom Wolf, something for Gary, something for Werner. This police tech stuff really has my attention. Starbucks comment, too. By Mark Egan EAST ORANGE, New Jersey (Reuters) - Lenox Avenue in suburban East Orange was long a hotbed of drugs and gun mayhem and one of New Jersey's toughest streets. But Big Brother has cleaned it up. Police here say that thanks to new technology there has not been a single violent crime in almost a year on a street where the notorious Bloods gang sold $10 hits of crack cocaine and drive-by shootings were once commonplace. Now high-tech cameras and gunshot sensors are mounted at each end of Lenox Avenue, and on many other East Orange streets. The residential avenue of mainly multifamily homes is blocked from traffic and, with the exception of the 24-hour police presence, it looks as tranquil as most New Jersey suburbs. "There's no drug dealers or nothing here. They all left," said Andre Davis, 15, riding his scooter on Lenox. "There's no gang bangers, no drugs. The cops done a good job." The effort is part of a push to reverse a trend which saw the town -- once a middle-class suburb of executives who took a 30-minute train ride to Manhattan -- reverse a decline sparked by the deadly 1967 race riots in neighboring Newark, which gradually transformed the town into a slum populated almost entirely by lower-income blacks. "This was once a very prominent city and a very safe place to live," said East Orange Police Director Jose Cordero of the town of about 70,000 people, whose Central Avenue was once called "the Fifth Avenue of New Jersey." More recently, Cordero said, "People were fearful of not being able to walk their streets." The veteran New York City police officer took the top job here in 2004 and says homicides dropped to a 25-year low of 14 in 2005, down from 22 in 2003. Overall crime is at a 20-year low. Last summer, police installed cameras in crime-ridden neighborhoods and on the city's commercial center, each equipped with sensors that can detect the sound of gunfire. Police use the cameras to zoom in on certain streets and virtually "walk" down the pavements looking for crime. DONATED TECHNOLOGY In what local cops call "The Brain Room," a half-a-dozen officers monitor large flat-screen televisions showing street activity. And a "Virtual Community Patrol" allows residents to view panoramic still pictures of their block and report crimes to police using their home computers.Continued ... "This program ... essentially hands over to community residents the ability to place the eyes of the police on a criminal problem with the click of a mouse," Cordero said. East Orange spent about $300,000 on the system, but the Internet technology that brings it all together was donated by a Manhattan- based company that provides broadband networks for law enforcement. Police here say the equipment was free because the firm that makes it hopes to use East Orange as a model to convince other towns to buy such systems. Only a handful of U.S. cities including Newport News, Virginia, have installed gunshot detectors -- more normally used by the military to detect snipers in places such as Afghanistan. East Orange police believe their overall crime technology is superior to that of any similar-sized U.S. city. "This is a city moving in the right direction," Sgt. Chris Anagnostis said as he drove around the town he has policed for 19 years, pointing to just-built commercial developments still awaiting tenants and new apartment buildings and townhomes. But for now Central Avenue, once home to upscale department stores, fashionable boutiques and elegant restaurants, is a parade of fast- food joints and discount stores. On at least one block, things have improved. The Hollywood Theater, a plush movie palace where Spencer Tracy once attended a movie premiere, has recently reopened as a five-screen multiplex. The theater had been dark since 1986 before the $2.5 million renovation by Hollywood Cinemas. Ken Baris of Jordan Baris Inc. Realtors in nearby West Orange said a slew of new developments are selling well and, with homes in nearby towns such as Montclair regularly fetching over $1 million, he believes it is only a matter of time before commuters return to a town they long ago abandoned. HOPING FOR RESURGENCE Mayor Robert Bowser wants to transform East Orange into an arts center that could attract New Yorkers tired of exorbitant rents, noting spacious, newly refurbished, pre-war apartments here rent for a fraction of Manhattan prices. Bowser is in talks with big-name retailers and galleries, plans to open a school for the performing arts and hopes to attract a jazz club. But progress has been painfully slow. "The problem with every major retailer we speak to is that none of them want to be the pioneer who is the first one to come to the city," B
[AsburyPark] Why Asbury towers should be taxed
at least to some extent: History of Presbyterian Homes & Services, Inc. Presbyterian Homes & Services was founded in 1916 to assist Presbyterian ministers throughout the state who were helping families handle the emotional and financial responsibilities of caring for older relatives. Initially, PHS was incorporated as a separate, non-profit charitable organization by the Presbyterian Church with the belief that "each person's life is a gift from God and is meant to be lived with dignity and respect." MY FAVORITE PART.. Although PHS is no longer legally connected to the Presbyterian Church, we continue our mission of service with this belief as a guiding principle. In 1997 we initiated a change in corporate structure, moving to a parent/affiliate organization. A new corporate identity and name change to Presbyterian Homes & Services, Inc. reflects trends in how people wish to receive services, expands the age range we can assist, and recognizes our more regional presence. Time to rethink non-profits. Guess we have to pull their report Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: permanet tax abatements....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Having too many government owned and other non-taxable properties > has always been a large part of what is wrong in Asbury. What was the percentage at one point of non-taxable - like 17% or more? I don't recall. Using the current therory of eminent domain, that is, take for higher revenues, all non- exempt property should go. We'll leave actaul houses of worship out. About time to sort out the defintion of not-for-profit organizations. Asbury Towers is assessed at $16m. Ugly as hell, but time to make it go condo. Looking at Seaview towers, the other ugly ducking, guess no one wants to move it yet, or do they? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: permanet tax abatements....
Having too many government owned and other non-taxable properties has always been a large part of what is wrong in Asbury. Funny, it is a complaint from way back and someone brought it up to me on the phone this afternoon. Now here the topic is again. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Asbury Towers. I know, it's owned by the church. > > Fact is, it is not a house of worship. > > Luckily, my grandmother, Jewish, had the opportunity to wind up there when it first opened, > and got to live it out with a great view. > > Just wait to someone tries Eminent Domain to remove these non tax producing properties. > Asbury Towers, Seaview, etc. Long Branch will do the same. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] permanet tax abatements....
Asbury Towers. I know, it's owned by the church. Fact is, it is not a house of worship. Luckily, my grandmother, Jewish, had the opportunity to wind up there when it first opened, and got to live it out with a great view. Just wait to someone tries Eminent Domain to remove these non tax producing properties. Asbury Towers, Seaview, etc. Long Branch will do the same. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: tax abatements - endanger kids
"I assume the people buying those units will not be burdening the school system during the abatement period if they listen to Fishman and keep their kids home." Who in their right minds would endanger their kids by bringing or putting them in Asbury's school system? That's one of the primary reasons the abatements were given; look at "Section II-A: abatements, bribes and everything else we can get away with" of the MOA, it states clearly that only the non-reproductive, non-adoptive and brain dead will be marketed to. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: tax abatements
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I can understand Long Branch residents being upset at the abatements (not to > mention the obvious emminent domain issues), but at least Long Branch > realized that you could only bargain so much. Within 2-3 years, they're > already making more than they were before the development and within the > abatement is gone after year 5. > > That's really not that bad. > If you believe the AP's analysis (which I am not saying is not correct) the City is not losing anything. It is the County (which only gets 5%) and the schools (0) that lose out. Now it may seem that AP was smarter because it is not losing the tax revenue, however, these abatements last 10 years (they have a life of 16 years from approval so to get the full 10 years the units have to be built by the 6th year). If Abbott funding lasts that long maybe no problem, but if it doesn't there could be trouble. I assume the people buying those units will not be burdening the school system during the abatement period if they listen to Fishman and keep their kids home. If they did but were not paying then I would have a problem since I am paying and not using. The abatements only go to fatten the wallet of Partners. What's the common denominator in these two cities? Jim Aaron. Should not only be fired, but censured and sued for malpractice. It is unbelievable that he is still advising the Council. They deserve each other. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] tax abatements
On 4/3/06 5:32 PM, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > those in LB were a bit different > > http://atlanticville.gmnews.com/News/2004/0423/Front_Page/038.html > > I can understand Long Branch residents being upset at the abatements (not to mention the obvious emminent domain issues), but at least Long Branch realized that you could only bargain so much. Within 2-3 years, they're already making more than they were before the development and within the abatement is gone after year 5. That's really not that bad. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: tax abatements
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Didn't LB include or should I exclude Municipal and School Taxes for 5 years?? those in LB were a bit different > > http://atlanticville.gmnews.com/News/2004/0423/Front_Page/038.html > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] tax abatements
those in LB were a bit different http://atlanticville.gmnews.com/News/2004/0423/Front_Page/038.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Scanlon, beck article 10/05 - they had no choice
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I thought LB got a five year abatement. 0% first year then 20% the second and so on. Plus they already had a strong tax base and they weren't and aren't dealing with a 5 million dollar budget shortfall. long branch, with alll theirs sins, managed not to give abatements. > > When this "new" deal was struck, there were real developers who were interested. Its just who > was willing to play. > > Who's willing to live on the water, in AP? > > Some of those with "a dream". Some of those with hard money. Some who don't give a rats > ass what's behind them. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Redirected to Command Central
Give me a break. What is this the God Squad?? How about a list of what's wrong with the building? Maureen In a message dated 4/1/2006 1:53:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 1 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:20:52 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Re: Fires Houses Etc.In a message dated 3/31/2006 10:52:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:What are the actual defects in the current fire house?WernerAny questions you may have concerning this or any other issue pertaining to the Fire Department should be directed to the Fire Directors office. This can be done by contacting Fire Headquarters at 732-775-6300. Maureen NevinAsbury Radio -"The Radio Voice of Asbury Park"88.1FM - "5" Years on the Air!!Asbury's Own Live Talk Show601 Bangs AvenueListen 8 - 10 PM Thursdays on 88.1FM orListen Live or Later on the Web http://www.restoreradio.com/Call the show 732-775-0821Call me 732-774-0779 fax 502-0463Speak up - It's America!! YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Homeowners Host School Board Candidates
Title: Homeowners Host School Board Candidates Homeowners Host School Board Candidates Posted: Monday, April 3rd, 2006 The Asbury Park Homeowners Association is hosting a "Meet the School Board Candidates" event tomorrow, April 4th. The entire slate of 8 candidates have been invited. Each year, the citizens elect three people to serve on the 9-member School Board for three year terms. In some years, such as this one, an additional election is held to fill a vacancy on the board. Election day is April 18th. The "Meet the Candidates" event will be held at Taka Restaurant, 632 Mattison Avenue at 7pm. (No Comments) For more Asbury Park news, and events, shopping, dining and community guides, visit the new AsburyPark.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: Scanlon, beck article 10/05 - they had no choice
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > long branch, with alll theirs sins, managed not to give abatements. > > When this "new" deal was struck, there were real developers who were interested. Its just who > was willing to play. > > Who's willing to live on the water, in AP? > > Some of those with "a dream". Some of those with hard money. Some who don't give a rats > ass what's behind them. > Skip was being tongue-in-cheek. No abatements were needed. Because Partners is a middle-man and not a developer, they serve only for Partners to sell the land at the prices it is. Water under the bridge as they say. The incumbents have managed to lead us down a prickly path. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Scanlon, beck article 10/05 - they had no choice
long branch, with alll theirs sins, managed not to give abatements. When this "new" deal was struck, there were real developers who were interested. Its just who was willing to play. Who's willing to live on the water, in AP? Some of those with "a dream". Some of those with hard money. Some who don't give a rats ass what's behind them. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Scanlon, beck article 10/05 - they had no choice
"Boy are those waterfront tax abatements (no school taxes) going to look unwise in a few years. Can't say they weren't told. But they keep on giving them. The gift that never stops giving." In all fairness to Weldon, Aaron and council, they had no choice; look at the mess that the waterfront is, who in their right minds would consider living there, much less pay in excess of a million bucks for the dubious privilege, without the incentive of hard cash. Hell, everyone knew that the 56 acres were worthless; only a fool, from out of town, having no experience as a developer would have paid a nickel for this eyesore. My fear is that without generous subsidies from all of Asbury, perhaps in perpetuity, all of those really neat condos will ultimately turn into a humongous ghetto by the sea. Think of it (figuratively) as the price we must pay for the sins of our fathers. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
