Re: [AsburyPark] Re: THE ELEMENT OF TIMING
On 4/7/06 4:40 PM, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I knew it would be you! I forgot about Hotel California (you old > timer you!). > > Looks like I owe you 2 beers. Sorry, I was out covering a show in New Brunswick. Would have had the answer as well :) BTW, had an INCREDIBLE dinner at Old Man Raffertys! Man, I hope they bring the entire menu here. Great Kansas City Steak!! Dan J is dead wrong again. But who's counting? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE ELEMENT OF TIMING
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "apeaexec1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey Johnny boy. I'm getting a real good Asbury Park Education here. It's a good > thing I know most of these names.--- In > AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" wrote: > > > > Well apoojo you seem to have the advantage of knowing who I am > > without me knowing who you are. > > > > The reason you don't remember me, based upon the names you brought > > up below, is that you are clearly a half generation older than I > am. > > My guess is 7 to 10 years older. Just to prove to you I know a > > little something about your generation in AP, let's see if I can > > identify some of the people you are refering to below. > > > > Chico = I knew a guy they called Chee Chee from third ave. who I > > think was there the night Artie Dello was killed. Is that who you > > mean? Or do you mean Mr. C, but Mr. C is a bit older than you. > Other > > than that I don't know. > > > > Ducky = Fornicola. > > > > Johnny Cag = I remember the name but I can't remember the rest. > > Caggiano? I'm recalling something about a store and the name > Johnny > > Cag. Could be a different guy though. > > > > T Rozza = Tommy Rozza, Neil's brother and Blade's son. RIP. > > > > Nicky Al = Nicky Aldarelli. > > > > Fat Tommy = Tommy Aldarelli, RIP. I hung out with his younger > > brother Micheal. > > > > Butch B = Butch from the Pony? > > > > The Filosos = Friends with my oldest sister; she has me by 7 years. > > > > The rest of your friends I might remember with more info. > > > > As for the pool, if you mean the Monte Carlo, I was about 5 or 6 > > when they tore it out so I doubt you saw me there. If you mean > 7th > > ave., my family shared a locker with JAP's family every year > through > > my teens. Jimmy Condos (of JIMI) was a lifeguard at the time. > > > > As for Arcades, I hung out at Lee's inside convention hall. Jimmy > > Bruno worked there giving out change at the time. I had high > score > > on Sinbad and Joker Poker and I'll gladly take you on in pin ball > to > > this day to prove to you who I am. ;-) Later on it was owned by > Joe > > Pallato, who would give you 2 for one on quarters. > > > > So how did I do? Are you about 50? I'm 42. You can check me out > > in APHS Driftwood Yearbook class of '82 (the "five percenter" > > years). Or in Werner and Frank D'Alessandro's new book on Holy > > Spirit (I saw a picture of me in there when I was 10). What year > did > > you graduate APHS? > > > > On what street did you grow up? > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "apoojo" wrote: > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty wrote: > > > > > > > > > >Hotel California get real Bruce Lee at the Baronet. > > > > > > > > hey fred get real you puppy, bruce lee, go back 10 more > years , > > it > > > was the first and only theatre in the area to show woodstock, > the > > > movie > > > > bb or should it be bs because none of us oldtimers remember > you > > or > > > yourclaim to fame, mr asbury park,we grew up here partied here, > > dont > > > remember you,from the pool, the bdwalk the arcades etc., later > > > attended many council meetings, bd. meetings in the 80s , 90s, > > etc. > > > dont remember you , you are a living legend in your mind only, > you > > > have been present and vocal since you got your job, god bless > you, > > > west side,drummond ave. wow thats stretching the true > definition > > > fron the 60s 70s > > > > oakdorf your sarcasim reminds me of that late great comedian > > andy > > > devine, twang your magic twanger FROGGY, peace to all but do not > > bull > > > shit someone whos been here longer than all of you, you insult > > people > > > like myself, and others such as chico ducky joey p. johnny cag, > t > > > rozza, nicky al, the weathwerman, fat tommy , butch b. , lenny, > > frank > > > n.stein, the filiosas, the late d. lewis,spike musto, d. klinger > i > > > could go on for ever, get real guys do not talk about the past > > unless > > > you truly lived it which you did not stop wanting to be wannabes > > like > > > i said that was the past,i was fortunate enough to lived thru it, > > > (thank god for h. bolger) lets go to the future and work > together > > > for a better city, drop the false represntations the egos get > real > > or > > > continue buying postcards, your choice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE ELEMENT OF TIMING
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I thik Joe Palotto's place was located in the old dart game and wheele owned by the Vetrano brothers. Well apoojo you seem to have the advantage of knowing who I am > without me knowing who you are. > > The reason you don't remember me, based upon the names you brought > up below, is that you are clearly a half generation older than I am. > My guess is 7 to 10 years older. Just to prove to you I know a > little something about your generation in AP, let's see if I can > identify some of the people you are refering to below. > > Chico = I knew a guy they called Chee Chee from third ave. who I > think was there the night Artie Dello was killed. Is that who you > mean? Or do you mean Mr. C, but Mr. C is a bit older than you. Other > than that I don't know. > > Ducky = Fornicola. > > Johnny Cag = I remember the name but I can't remember the rest. > Caggiano? I'm recalling something about a store and the name Johnny > Cag. Could be a different guy though. > > T Rozza = Tommy Rozza, Neil's brother and Blade's son. RIP. > > Nicky Al = Nicky Aldarelli. > > Fat Tommy = Tommy Aldarelli, RIP. I hung out with his younger > brother Micheal. > > Butch B = Butch from the Pony? > > The Filosos = Friends with my oldest sister; she has me by 7 years. > > The rest of your friends I might remember with more info. > > As for the pool, if you mean the Monte Carlo, I was about 5 or 6 > when they tore it out so I doubt you saw me there. If you mean 7th > ave., my family shared a locker with JAP's family every year through > my teens. Jimmy Condos (of JIMI) was a lifeguard at the time. > > As for Arcades, I hung out at Lee's inside convention hall. Jimmy > Bruno worked there giving out change at the time. I had high score > on Sinbad and Joker Poker and I'll gladly take you on in pin ball to > this day to prove to you who I am. ;-) Later on it was owned by Joe > Pallato, who would give you 2 for one on quarters. > > So how did I do? Are you about 50? I'm 42. You can check me out > in APHS Driftwood Yearbook class of '82 (the "five percenter" > years). Or in Werner and Frank D'Alessandro's new book on Holy > Spirit (I saw a picture of me in there when I was 10). What year did > you graduate APHS? > > On what street did you grow up? > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "apoojo" wrote: > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" wrote: > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty wrote: > > > > > > > >Hotel California get real Bruce Lee at the Baronet. > > > > > > hey fred get real you puppy, bruce lee, go back 10 more years , > it > > was the first and only theatre in the area to show woodstock, the > > movie > > > bb or should it be bs because none of us oldtimers remember you > or > > yourclaim to fame, mr asbury park,we grew up here partied here, > dont > > remember you,from the pool, the bdwalk the arcades etc., later > > attended many council meetings, bd. meetings in the 80s , 90s, > etc. > > dont remember you , you are a living legend in your mind only, you > > have been present and vocal since you got your job, god bless you, > > west side,drummond ave. wow thats stretching the true definition > > fron the 60s 70s > > > oakdorf your sarcasim reminds me of that late great comedian > andy > > devine, twang your magic twanger FROGGY, peace to all but do not > bull > > shit someone whos been here longer than all of you, you insult > people > > like myself, and others such as chico ducky joey p. johnny cag, t > > rozza, nicky al, the weathwerman, fat tommy , butch b. , lenny, > frank > > n.stein, the filiosas, the late d. lewis,spike musto, d. klinger i > > could go on for ever, get real guys do not talk about the past > unless > > you truly lived it which you did not stop wanting to be wannabes > like > > i said that was the past,i was fortunate enough to lived thru it, > > (thank god for h. bolger) lets go to the future and work together > > for a better city, drop the false represntations the egos get real > or > > continue buying postcards, your choice. > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Lawsuit time
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Dan, hire Jimmy AAron and maybe you could win. > Yes, I hear the judges and him were all brought in by the same person. But I wouldn't have him if he paid me. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE ELEMENT OF TIMING
I'm getting a real good Asbury Park Education here. It's a good thing I know most of these names.--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well apoojo you seem to have the advantage of knowing who I am > without me knowing who you are. > > The reason you don't remember me, based upon the names you brought > up below, is that you are clearly a half generation older than I am. > My guess is 7 to 10 years older. Just to prove to you I know a > little something about your generation in AP, let's see if I can > identify some of the people you are refering to below. > > Chico = I knew a guy they called Chee Chee from third ave. who I > think was there the night Artie Dello was killed. Is that who you > mean? Or do you mean Mr. C, but Mr. C is a bit older than you. Other > than that I don't know. > > Ducky = Fornicola. > > Johnny Cag = I remember the name but I can't remember the rest. > Caggiano? I'm recalling something about a store and the name Johnny > Cag. Could be a different guy though. > > T Rozza = Tommy Rozza, Neil's brother and Blade's son. RIP. > > Nicky Al = Nicky Aldarelli. > > Fat Tommy = Tommy Aldarelli, RIP. I hung out with his younger > brother Micheal. > > Butch B = Butch from the Pony? > > The Filosos = Friends with my oldest sister; she has me by 7 years. > > The rest of your friends I might remember with more info. > > As for the pool, if you mean the Monte Carlo, I was about 5 or 6 > when they tore it out so I doubt you saw me there. If you mean 7th > ave., my family shared a locker with JAP's family every year through > my teens. Jimmy Condos (of JIMI) was a lifeguard at the time. > > As for Arcades, I hung out at Lee's inside convention hall. Jimmy > Bruno worked there giving out change at the time. I had high score > on Sinbad and Joker Poker and I'll gladly take you on in pin ball to > this day to prove to you who I am. ;-) Later on it was owned by Joe > Pallato, who would give you 2 for one on quarters. > > So how did I do? Are you about 50? I'm 42. You can check me out > in APHS Driftwood Yearbook class of '82 (the "five percenter" > years). Or in Werner and Frank D'Alessandro's new book on Holy > Spirit (I saw a picture of me in there when I was 10). What year did > you graduate APHS? > > On what street did you grow up? > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "apoojo" wrote: > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" wrote: > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty wrote: > > > > > > > >Hotel California get real Bruce Lee at the Baronet. > > > > > > hey fred get real you puppy, bruce lee, go back 10 more years , > it > > was the first and only theatre in the area to show woodstock, the > > movie > > > bb or should it be bs because none of us oldtimers remember you > or > > yourclaim to fame, mr asbury park,we grew up here partied here, > dont > > remember you,from the pool, the bdwalk the arcades etc., later > > attended many council meetings, bd. meetings in the 80s , 90s, > etc. > > dont remember you , you are a living legend in your mind only, you > > have been present and vocal since you got your job, god bless you, > > west side,drummond ave. wow thats stretching the true definition > > fron the 60s 70s > > > oakdorf your sarcasim reminds me of that late great comedian > andy > > devine, twang your magic twanger FROGGY, peace to all but do not > bull > > shit someone whos been here longer than all of you, you insult > people > > like myself, and others such as chico ducky joey p. johnny cag, t > > rozza, nicky al, the weathwerman, fat tommy , butch b. , lenny, > frank > > n.stein, the filiosas, the late d. lewis,spike musto, d. klinger i > > could go on for ever, get real guys do not talk about the past > unless > > you truly lived it which you did not stop wanting to be wannabes > like > > i said that was the past,i was fortunate enough to lived thru it, > > (thank god for h. bolger) lets go to the future and work together > > for a better city, drop the false represntations the egos get real > or > > continue buying postcards, your choice. > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE ELEMENT OF TIMING
Well apoojo you seem to have the advantage of knowing who I am without me knowing who you are. The reason you don't remember me, based upon the names you brought up below, is that you are clearly a half generation older than I am. My guess is 7 to 10 years older. Just to prove to you I know a little something about your generation in AP, let's see if I can identify some of the people you are refering to below. Chico = I knew a guy they called Chee Chee from third ave. who I think was there the night Artie Dello was killed. Is that who you mean? Or do you mean Mr. C, but Mr. C is a bit older than you. Other than that I don't know. Ducky = Fornicola. Johnny Cag = I remember the name but I can't remember the rest. Caggiano? I'm recalling something about a store and the name Johnny Cag. Could be a different guy though. T Rozza = Tommy Rozza, Neil's brother and Blade's son. RIP. Nicky Al = Nicky Aldarelli. Fat Tommy = Tommy Aldarelli, RIP. I hung out with his younger brother Micheal. Butch B = Butch from the Pony? The Filosos = Friends with my oldest sister; she has me by 7 years. The rest of your friends I might remember with more info. As for the pool, if you mean the Monte Carlo, I was about 5 or 6 when they tore it out so I doubt you saw me there. If you mean 7th ave., my family shared a locker with JAP's family every year through my teens. Jimmy Condos (of JIMI) was a lifeguard at the time. As for Arcades, I hung out at Lee's inside convention hall. Jimmy Bruno worked there giving out change at the time. I had high score on Sinbad and Joker Poker and I'll gladly take you on in pin ball to this day to prove to you who I am. ;-) Later on it was owned by Joe Pallato, who would give you 2 for one on quarters. So how did I do? Are you about 50? I'm 42. You can check me out in APHS Driftwood Yearbook class of '82 (the "five percenter" years). Or in Werner and Frank D'Alessandro's new book on Holy Spirit (I saw a picture of me in there when I was 10). What year did you graduate APHS? On what street did you grow up? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "apoojo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" wrote: > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty wrote: > > > > > >Hotel California get real Bruce Lee at the Baronet. > > > > hey fred get real you puppy, bruce lee, go back 10 more years , it > was the first and only theatre in the area to show woodstock, the > movie > > bb or should it be bs because none of us oldtimers remember you or > yourclaim to fame, mr asbury park,we grew up here partied here, dont > remember you,from the pool, the bdwalk the arcades etc., later > attended many council meetings, bd. meetings in the 80s , 90s, etc. > dont remember you , you are a living legend in your mind only, you > have been present and vocal since you got your job, god bless you, > west side,drummond ave. wow thats stretching the true definition > fron the 60s 70s > > oakdorf your sarcasim reminds me of that late great comedian andy > devine, twang your magic twanger FROGGY, peace to all but do not bull > shit someone whos been here longer than all of you, you insult people > like myself, and others such as chico ducky joey p. johnny cag, t > rozza, nicky al, the weathwerman, fat tommy , butch b. , lenny, frank > n.stein, the filiosas, the late d. lewis,spike musto, d. klinger i > could go on for ever, get real guys do not talk about the past unless > you truly lived it which you did not stop wanting to be wannabes like > i said that was the past,i was fortunate enough to lived thru it, > (thank god for h. bolger) lets go to the future and work together > for a better city, drop the false represntations the egos get real or > continue buying postcards, your choice. > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The element of timing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, traderdube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Fred wrote..." > > The new owners of the Fast lanes, Baronet and Bowling Ally. Their just > driving of the value, every dollar they put into those buildings they > will get at least 2 dollars back. They know what they're doing. It's > like buying tax liens you know you'll get your money back with interest." > > > And that is about as wrong a thing as I have read on this board. > > Anyone who thinks there are any motives other than to establish a > community theater have no idea who we are or what we are. > > good point, so who are you? where do you live? whos payroll are you on? what is your expertise in community theatres? will you apply for tax exempt status? all questions asked with due respsect. why not buy the savoy, not in the redevlopment zone and put your community theater there? that would certainly stop any eminent domain threats and help all the starving artists you wish to help plus be a big benefit to the downtown area. As far as the owners of the bowling alley, one of the best families one would ever want to meet, it seems like you do not even know their names, ill give you a hint, ralph a--- -and family, great people. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE ELEMENT OF TIMING
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "apoojo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I guess your a bit older than me. I remember all of those people not Woodstock. I worked for 3 of them and a couple of more that you missed. I could never match that time in my life. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" wrote: > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty wrote: > > > > > >Hotel California get real Bruce Lee at the Baronet. > > > > hey fred get real you puppy, bruce lee, go back 10 more years , it > was the first and only theatre in the area to show woodstock, the > movie > > bb or should it be bs because none of us oldtimers remember you or > yourclaim to fame, mr asbury park,we grew up here partied here, dont > remember you,from the pool, the bdwalk the arcades etc., later > attended many council meetings, bd. meetings in the 80s , 90s, etc. > dont remember you , you are a living legend in your mind only, you > have been present and vocal since you got your job, god bless you, > west side,drummond ave. wow thats stretching the true definition > fron the 60s 70s > > oakdorf your sarcasim reminds me of that late great comedian andy > devine, twang your magic twanger FROGGY, peace to all but do not bull > shit someone whos been here longer than all of you, you insult people > like myself, and others such as chico ducky joey p. johnny cag, t > rozza, nicky al, the weathwerman, fat tommy , butch b. , lenny, frank > n.stein, the filiosas, the late d. lewis,spike musto, d. klinger i > could go on for ever, get real guys do not talk about the past unless > you truly lived it which you did not stop wanting to be wannabes like > i said that was the past,i was fortunate enough to lived thru it, > (thank god for h. bolger) lets go to the future and work together > for a better city, drop the false represntations the egos get real or > continue buying postcards, your choice. > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE ELEMENT OF TIMING
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" > wrote: > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty wrote: > > > >Hotel California get real Bruce Lee at the Baronet. > > hey fred get real you puppy, bruce lee, go back 10 more years , it was the first and only theatre in the area to show woodstock, the movie > bb or should it be bs because none of us oldtimers remember you or yourclaim to fame, mr asbury park,we grew up here partied here, dont remember you,from the pool, the bdwalk the arcades etc., later attended many council meetings, bd. meetings in the 80s , 90s, etc. dont remember you , you are a living legend in your mind only, you have been present and vocal since you got your job, god bless you, west side,drummond ave. wow thats stretching the true definition fron the 60s 70s > oakdorf your sarcasim reminds me of that late great comedian andy devine, twang your magic twanger FROGGY, peace to all but do not bull shit someone whos been here longer than all of you, you insult people like myself, and others such as chico ducky joey p. johnny cag, t rozza, nicky al, the weathwerman, fat tommy , butch b. , lenny, frank n.stein, the filiosas, the late d. lewis,spike musto, d. klinger i could go on for ever, get real guys do not talk about the past unless you truly lived it which you did not stop wanting to be wannabes like i said that was the past,i was fortunate enough to lived thru it, (thank god for h. bolger) lets go to the future and work together for a better city, drop the false represntations the egos get real or continue buying postcards, your choice. > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The element of timing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, traderdube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I wish them all nothing but good luck. Just bring them all of to code and I'm sure you'll get a CO. As long as the fire safety items and barrier codes are taken care of why shouldn't they open. That goes for the Fast Lane too. The codes have change over the past 20 years. I don't believe at all that the Baronet couldn't open because it was red. I need to see that in writing. What a lame excuse. Fred wrote..." > > The new owners of the Fast lanes, Baronet and Bowling Ally. Their just > driving of the value, every dollar they put into those buildings they > will get at least 2 dollars back. They know what they're doing. It's > like buying tax liens you know you'll get your money back with interest." > > > And that is about as wrong a thing as I have read on this board. The > bowling alley still belongs to the same > people who have owned it for many years. As for the Fast Lane, well, > hopefully the Fast Lane will offset the money that will be lost > opening The Baronet as a community theater open to everyone who has an > artistic dream. There will be kids performing in that theater, that is > our ultimate goal. Especially the kids who live in Asbury who don't ever > get the chance to see if they have some talent that needs nurturing. > Open talent shows, variety shows, educational programs for kids. > > In the end, and Fishman has jump started the process, Fishman and Mayor > and council hold the fate of the Baronet in their hands. We will do > everything > in our power to prove to them that The Baronet can be a successful, busy > theater that enhances the city on multiple levels, but once the > minuscule offers from AP Partners are rejected, it will be up to the > city council to determine if the Baronet stays or goes. > > Anyone who thinks there are any motives other than to establish a > community theater have no idea who we are or what we are. > > Between now and judgment day for The Baronet, it will be whether or not > the surrounding communities support the theater. If we are able to get a > C/O and we open it and people show up and buy tickets, that will > hopefully sway the council vote to save an historic Asbury Building. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] re: The element of timing
Fred wrote..." The new owners of the Fast lanes, Baronet and Bowling Ally. Their just driving of the value, every dollar they put into those buildings they will get at least 2 dollars back. They know what they're doing. It's like buying tax liens you know you'll get your money back with interest." And that is about as wrong a thing as I have read on this board. The bowling alley still belongs to the same people who have owned it for many years. As for the Fast Lane, well, hopefully the Fast Lane will offset the money that will be lost opening The Baronet as a community theater open to everyone who has an artistic dream. There will be kids performing in that theater, that is our ultimate goal. Especially the kids who live in Asbury who don't ever get the chance to see if they have some talent that needs nurturing. Open talent shows, variety shows, educational programs for kids. In the end, and Fishman has jump started the process, Fishman and Mayor and council hold the fate of the Baronet in their hands. We will do everything in our power to prove to them that The Baronet can be a successful, busy theater that enhances the city on multiple levels, but once the minuscule offers from AP Partners are rejected, it will be up to the city council to determine if the Baronet stays or goes. Anyone who thinks there are any motives other than to establish a community theater have no idea who we are or what we are. Between now and judgment day for The Baronet, it will be whether or not the surrounding communities support the theater. If we are able to get a C/O and we open it and people show up and buy tickets, that will hopefully sway the council vote to save an historic Asbury Building. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Lawsuit time
Dan, hire Jimmy AAron and maybe you could win. Asbury's C-8 to come down April 29 Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 04/7/06 BY NANCY SHIELDS COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU ASBURY PARK C-8, the steel skeleton that has become a symbol of a decade when then-bankrupt developer Joseph Carabetta held the city's waterfront hostage, is set to be imploded on April 29, Dean S. Geibel, president of Metro Homes, said today. The implosion will clear the way for Metro Homes of Hoboken to begin building the 224-unit Esperanza high rise between Third and Fourth avenues. A time has not yet been set for the upcoming demolition, Geibel said. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Tomorrow's Plan
TOMORROW - April 8th from 11am until 1pm at WISH YOU WERE HERE - 612 Cookman Ave Stop by for coffee and meet candidates Susan Bisaha, Greg Brewington, Robert DiSanto and Geneva Smallwood. Pick up AP|Action's Lawn Sign for the Board of Education Election. Pick up an Absentee Ballot Application if you need one - the deadline for mailing is this Tuesday!! - or you can get one at www.apaction.org. Meet the new owners of Wish You Were Here and see how hard they have been working on the place - it really is great! Please come by and show your support for members of the community that are committed to making a positive change for Asbury Park. I hope to see you there. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE ELEMENT OF TIMING
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" > wrote: > > > > > I didn't see your post Oak that's right The Warehouse , you been around. What was the name of the bar before Hotel Cal??? Yes there was one. > > > I knew it would be you! I forgot about Hotel California (you old > > timer you!). > > > > Looks like I owe you 2 beers. > > > > Anytime you're ready. > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > A beer on me at the Wonder Bar for the first correct response! > > > > > > > Warehouse one time. > > > > > > Hotel Calfornia. > > > > > > Waht time? > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE ELEMENT OF TIMING
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What was the name of the bar before Hotel Cal??? Yes there was one. I knew it would be you! I forgot about Hotel California (you old > timer you!). > > Looks like I owe you 2 beers. > > Anytime you're ready. > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: > > > > > > > A beer on me at the Wonder Bar for the first correct response! > > > > > Warehouse one time. > > > > Hotel Calfornia. > > > > Waht time? > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE ELEMENT OF TIMING
I knew it would be you! I forgot about Hotel California (you old timer you!). Looks like I owe you 2 beers. Anytime you're ready. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > A beer on me at the Wonder Bar for the first correct response! > > > Warehouse one time. > > Hotel Calfornia. > > Waht time? > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE ELEMENT OF TIMING
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > That's not fair I was outside when Tommy posted that. A beer on me at the Wonder Bar for the first correct response! > > > Warehouse one time. > > Hotel Calfornia. > > Waht time? > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE ELEMENT OF TIMING
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty wrote: > >Hotel California get real Bruce Lee at the Baronet. I guess I'm showing a little age but I remember Fast Lane before it was > called that. > > Anyone else here (I'm betting on Oakdorf)remember the name of the > nightclub before it was Fast Lane? > > A beer on me at the Wonder Bar for the first correct response! > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE ELEMENT OF TIMING
> A beer on me at the Wonder Bar for the first correct response! > Warehouse one time. Hotel Calfornia. Waht time? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE ELEMENT OF TIMING
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I guess I'm showing a little age but I remember Fast Lane before it was called that. Anyone else here (I'm betting on Oakdorf)remember the name of the nightclub before it was Fast Lane? A beer on me at the Wonder Bar for the first correct response! Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE ELEMENT OF TIMING
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm rally sure the Fast Lane will attract Arts type people. > I would like to see that area come alive again but I can't see it. > It might catch on in the begining but the future I don't know. The > City agreed in 20021 to allow those properties to be taken if they > don't the city will get sued and lose. If the owners can cut a deal > with AP Partners fine but it won't be cheap. If the owners of those > properties are sincere they should totally renovate those buildings > now inside and out I know that The Fast Lane and Bowling Alley don't > meet code I don't know about the Baronet. > Again, you don't know what you're talking about. A municipality cannot contract agree to give up or exercise its sovereign power of eminent domain. It is an unenforceable provision of the contract because it is against public policy. Thus, it is null and void ab initio, hence no breach of contract. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT Article
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: > > > > > How can you call something bullshit if you haven't seen the > agreement? If you were at the Council Meeting Johnson said the $6 > million dollars is the amount of the work they are committed to right > now. > > If you were there why didn't you introduce yourself? Like the shadows? The $6 million is important because the initial escrow is based upon that amount. Without seeing the actual document we don't know what else is in there although I suspect that the remaining restoration timelines are as soft as they are in the powerpoint presentation. Ultimately, its all up to future negotitation. Nothing hard. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE ELEMENT OF TIMING
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" > wrote: > > > > > Do you really think that's going to be the final offer? So tell me > why they bought that property when EVERYBODY knew it was in the zone? > They will get at least $ 600,000. You know the buyer starts low and > the seller starts high. > The what does that say about the city's appraiser Molliver? By law they must make an offer based upon their highest appraisal. That was $330,000. So if they agree to pay $600.000 was Molliver wrong? Your "starting low" doesn't fit in with an appraisal being done. If that is their aim and that was the directive to Molliver then whoever is running the condemnation (it is supposed to be the city and not Fishman) and Molliver should be thrown out on their asses. Stick to school board issues, your slip is showing on this one. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT Article
> You've got to be kidding? > compared to everyting else that is falling down. No, I don't like the p-job. What I meant was simple, that building needed NO real structural work. A REAL schedule would be along the lines of Building A 2006, B and C 2007, etc. Now you have to make sure that permits are issued timely, inspections are done on time etc. Keep it secret Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT Article
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The first ave pav looks good. You've got to be kidding? A completely YELLOW building looking more akin to a Leggo component. Complete visual clash with the Casino Complex. Waste of paint in any color, It's a brick building. Just needed a power washing and proper exterior repairs to trim, doors and windows. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT Article
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >That six million will be spent by the summer of 2008 and another phase will kick in for the next Pavillion and other work. The First Ave Pavillion isn't the final product it must be totally renovated too within 3 years of the Fifth Ave Pavillion. I'll come to your wake. I'll call it bullshit until they spend every last dime of that $6m, on > those boardwalk buildings and a few more benches. > > I could be dead by then. > > The first ave pav looks good. You know why? > > It never really needed any major structural work done. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE ELEMENT OF TIMING
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 4/7/06 1:59 PM, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty wrote: > >> > >> On 4/7/06 8:32 AM, "Fred" wrote: > >> > >>> > > I'm rally sure the Fast Lane will attract Arts type people. I would like to see that area come alive again but I can't see it. It might catch on in the begining but the future I don't know. The City agreed in 20021 to allow those properties to be taken if they don't the city will get sued and lose. If the owners can cut a deal with AP Partners fine but it won't be cheap. If the owners of those properties are sincere they should totally renovate those buildings now inside and out I know that The Fast Lane and Bowling Alley don't meet code I don't know about the Baronet. Yeah as a nightclub not a bowling alley. > > > And let's say the Fast Lane starts bringing in the national acts that aren't > big enough for the Starland Ballroom and pack that place each week and the > Baronet starts having nice theatre shows and events. > > If that area is a success with it, why shouldn't it stay? That area could > form the basis for an arts hub. The fact that the area has ever brought > people in the last 20 years shows it's not bad for this sort of thing. It's > not exactly the main drag - people don't just see it, they pretty much have > to be looking for it or intending to go there. > > The last time I ever saw an Asbury club packed night after night was the > Fast Lane. I think it will be very difficult for them to crush those > properties if 2 or all 3 are successful. I know I will do everything I can > to help keep them alive. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT Article
I'll call it bullshit until they spend every last dime of that $6m, on those boardwalk buildings and a few more benches. I could be dead by then. The first ave pav looks good. You know why? It never really needed any major structural work done. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE ELEMENT OF TIMING
>> > >>> > > Yeah as a nightclub not a bowling alley. Fact it, the same family has owned it and operated through all BULLSHIT. I can't recall it ever being closed, ever. The "night life" can be attributed to "clever" people looking for a place. I bowled my first game there, an 18. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT Article
it's bullshit because they didn't make it public, did they? Are they putting up a $6m bond? Remember all the grand plans? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: THE ELEMENT OF TIMING
On 4/7/06 1:59 PM, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On 4/7/06 8:32 AM, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> > Yeah as a nightclub not a bowling alley. And let's say the Fast Lane starts bringing in the national acts that aren't big enough for the Starland Ballroom and pack that place each week and the Baronet starts having nice theatre shows and events. If that area is a success with it, why shouldn't it stay? That area could form the basis for an arts hub. The fact that the area has ever brought people in the last 20 years shows it's not bad for this sort of thing. It's not exactly the main drag - people don't just see it, they pretty much have to be looking for it or intending to go there. The last time I ever saw an Asbury club packed night after night was the Fast Lane. I think it will be very difficult for them to crush those properties if 2 or all 3 are successful. I know I will do everything I can to help keep them alive. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT Article
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How can you call something bullshit if you haven't seen the agreement? If you were at the Council Meeting Johnson said the $6 million dollars is the amount of the work they are committed to right now. It's bullshit. > > 1. They came in with grand plans and promises. Now they call it dreams. > To some, a fantasy. > > 2. $6m to do what? Henry V. once stated CH alone was an $18m disaster. > > 3. Where is the agreement - BEFORE it is signed. > > 4. What, exactly is going to be done to the buildings and who is going > to issue the permits and ensure work is done to code. > > 5. You have the 6th ave pav, 4th ave pav omitted from > the "presentation". > > / > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE ELEMENT OF TIMING
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 4/7/06 8:32 AM, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Yeah as a nightclub not a bowling alley. ---Let's hope so. It's just a scam to get more money for the properties. > > > > > > The new owners of the Fast lanes, Baronet and Bowling Ally. Their just > > driving of the value, every dollar they put into those buildings they > > will get at least 2 dollars back. They know what they're doing. It's > > like buying tax liens you know you'll get your money back with interest. > > > > Are you actually saying that businesses like Asbury Lanes aren't showing > they can be profitable there? That place is packed most every weekend. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE ELEMENT OF TIMING
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Do you really think that's going to be the final offer? So tell me why they bought that property when EVERYBODY knew it was in the zone? They will get at least $ 600,000. You know the buyer starts low and the seller starts high. Tell it to the Orlando's. > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" wrote: > > > > ---Let's hope so. It's just a scam to get more money for the > properties. > > > > > > The new owners of the Fast lanes, Baronet and Bowling Ally. Their > just > > driving of the value, every dollar they put into those buildings > they > > will get at least 2 dollars back. They know what they're doing. > It's > > like buying tax liens you know you'll get your money back with > interest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the Eminent Domain status for the Baronet, Fast Lane and > > > Bowling ally? > > > > > > > > > > In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" wrote: > > > > > > "The Council has moved to take the Kingsley Deli, Is 4th Ave > next ?? > > > Let's hope so. It's just a scam to get more money for the > properties." > > > > > > "Scam to get more money" by whom? > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT Article
It's bullshit. 1. They came in with grand plans and promises. Now they call it dreams. To some, a fantasy. 2. $6m to do what? Henry V. once stated CH alone was an $18m disaster. 3. Where is the agreement - BEFORE it is signed. 4. What, exactly is going to be done to the buildings and who is going to issue the permits and ensure work is done to code. 5. You have the 6th ave pav, 4th ave pav omitted from the "presentation". / Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] NYT Article
April 7, 2006 Asbury Park in New Pact to Restart Development By RONALD SMOTHERS ASBURY PARK, N.J., April 5 Asbury Park's hopes of redevelopment have been frustrated by more than a decade of failed plans, bankrupt developers and corruption. But the city's prospects took a step forward this week when it reached a new agreement with its development partner to speed the refurbishment of the city's sagging Convention Hall, dilapidated casino and Boardwalk pavilions, and to quickly resolve disputes that have bogged down progress in the past. The agreement is a result of nearly six weeks of negotiations between city officials and Asbury Partners, its redeveloper, after council members and others grew impatient with the slow pace after the city turned over the Boardwalk buildings to the company in 2001. Critics of Asbury Partners had threatened to press for the developer's ouster if there was no agreement on strict timetables to complete the work and assurances that the developer was financially able to do so. Under the contract, Asbury Partners is to oversee the redevelopment of the buildings and a 56-acre parcel of shorefront. The developer has also agreed to put in escrow an amount equal to 25 percent of the estimated $6 million in work on the Boardwalk buildings, obtain performance bonds for each project and provide periodic financial statements detailing its net worth and any significant changes in its finances. One of the key provisions of the new agreement, said Terence J. Reidy, the city manager of Asbury Park, was a dispute resolution process that involves an arbitrator with the power to settle disagreements and to dictate remedies. The goal is to resolve disputes within 60 days. Mr. Reidy said that the only recourse for the city in past disputes had been to find the redeveloper in default, a move that often led to court battles. "And when you hold a developer in default it sends a terrible message to the financial community," said Mr. Reidy, recalling the city's plight in the 1990's when its developer went bankrupt and redevelopment hopes were stymied by protracted litigation. "Default says that there is not good communication with the developer, but this agreement creates a softer trigger in disputes and signals a higher level of communication and commitment by both the city and the developer." Larry Fishman, the president of Asbury Partners, said that part of the reason that work on the Boardwalk buildings had been delayed was that litigation challenged portions of the agreement that brought Asbury Partners to the city in 2001. But he said that as a result of the City Council's concerns, "rampant rumors" questioning the company's intentions, and the need to show its "commitment" to redevelopment, the company would no longer wait to start. "We have gotten timelines memorialized in this agreement and given financial assurances to our commitment," Mr. Fishman said. Many residents who have long mistrusted Asbury Partners continued to be skeptical. They said that although the new agreement has set time limits and financial guarantees that the city never had before, it had nevertheless taken more than four years to get them. "I just hope it comes together," said Dan Sciannameo, president of a New York real estate appraisal company and a resident who has criticized the redevelopment effort. The new agreement focuses on the premier beachfront buildings that many hoped would be the beacon for further redevelopment. But it does not directly apply to Asbury Partners' dealings with the sub- developers that it hopes to attract in order to bring housing and retail businesses to the area. Already the redeveloper has made deals with three sub-developers who are currently building 525 of the envisioned 3,100 condominiums and rental apartments in the area. Some critics had questioned whether Asbury Partners was extracting too much for itself from such deals and thereby dousing interest in the redevelopment among property owners and other developers. But Mr. Reidy said the new agreements had opened a "dialogue" that would allow the city to influence redevelopment efforts beyond the Boardwalk. Glenn Scotland, a partner in the law firm that represented Asbury Park in negotiating the new agreement, said that the concessions obtained from Asbury Partners the timetables, for example, and the escrow money were not available to the city in 2001 when they were desperate for help in getting redevelopment restarted. "But this redefines the relationship between the city and the developer and acknowledges that the city has promise and has become a more significant and commanding partner," Mr. Scotland said. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: ht
[AsburyPark] Re: THE ELEMENT OF TIMING
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tell it to the Orlando's. > I brought that issue up at the last council meeting. Bruno shook his head when I mentioned the Orlandos as if he was aware of the situation. There seemed to be a sympathetic reaction from Terry and the rest of the council, but who knows. The council has to know that there are consequences, sometimes dire consequences, to the its actions. As I told them, it is the city that has the power of eminent domain, not Fishman. Thus, it is them that is taking the Orlandos' home and by Moliver's appraisal, trying to put them in the hole for a few hundred thousand dollars. Molliver, directed by Fishman's greed and cheapness, must be reined in by the Council. Let fair prices be set, Fishman will flip them for a big enough profit. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On 4/7/06 8:32 AM, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ---Let's hope so. It's just a scam to get more money for the properties. > > > The new owners of the Fast lanes, Baronet and Bowling Ally. Their just > driving of the value, every dollar they put into those buildings they > will get at least 2 dollars back. They know what they're doing. It's > like buying tax liens you know you'll get your money back with interest. > Are you actually saying that businesses like Asbury Lanes aren't showing they can be profitable there? That place is packed most every weekend. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Tell it to the Orlando's. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ---Let's hope so. It's just a scam to get more money for the properties. > > > The new owners of the Fast lanes, Baronet and Bowling Ally. Their just > driving of the value, every dollar they put into those buildings they > will get at least 2 dollars back. They know what they're doing. It's > like buying tax liens you know you'll get your money back with interest. > > > > > > > > What is the Eminent Domain status for the Baronet, Fast Lane and > > Bowling ally? > > > > > In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" wrote: > > > > "The Council has moved to take the Kingsley Deli, Is 4th Ave next ?? > > Let's hope so. It's just a scam to get more money for the properties." > > > > "Scam to get more money" by whom? > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Time will tell the story. Those places have always been dumps. Puddy and paint make it what it ain't. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" wrote: > > > > ---Let's hope so. It's just a scam to get more money for the > properties. > > > > > > The new owners of the Fast lanes, Baronet and Bowling Ally. Their > just > > driving of the value, every dollar they put into those buildings > they > > will get at least 2 dollars back. They know what they're doing. > It's > > like buying tax liens you know you'll get your money back with > interest. > > > > > Fred, you know nothing about this subject. I do this for a living. > One of the most riskiest propositions is to buy a property that is > scheduled to be condemned. In fact, they are rarely bought and thus, > that is why there is a thing called condemnation blight. It is the > opposite of project enhancement. The law recognizes it and there are > books on it. Only a mad man buys a property to be condemned thinking > he could make a profit. And considering the track record of > condemnation awards in NJ, that is even more so. NJ is not like NY, > in which property owners get paid for fixtures and improvements to > the property. Pat and Denny have better ways to make money than > buying the Baronet and Fast Lane. They are doing it on principle. > Your glass is always half empty. It must be depressing to be you. > Sorry for your troubles. See a behavior specialist. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE ELEMENT OF TIMING
---Let's hope so. It's just a scam to get more money for the properties. The new owners of the Fast lanes, Baronet and Bowling Ally. Their just driving of the value, every dollar they put into those buildings they will get at least 2 dollars back. They know what they're doing. It's like buying tax liens you know you'll get your money back with interest. > What is the Eminent Domain status for the Baronet, Fast Lane and > Bowling ally? In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "The Council has moved to take the Kingsley Deli, Is 4th Ave next ?? > Let's hope so. It's just a scam to get more money for the properties." > > "Scam to get more money" by whom? > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ---Let's hope so. It's just a scam to get more money for the properties. > > > The new owners of the Fast lanes, Baronet and Bowling Ally. Their just > driving of the value, every dollar they put into those buildings they > will get at least 2 dollars back. They know what they're doing. It's > like buying tax liens you know you'll get your money back with interest. > > Fred, you know nothing about this subject. I do this for a living. One of the most riskiest propositions is to buy a property that is scheduled to be condemned. In fact, they are rarely bought and thus, that is why there is a thing called condemnation blight. It is the opposite of project enhancement. The law recognizes it and there are books on it. Only a mad man buys a property to be condemned thinking he could make a profit. And considering the track record of condemnation awards in NJ, that is even more so. NJ is not like NY, in which property owners get paid for fixtures and improvements to the property. Pat and Denny have better ways to make money than buying the Baronet and Fast Lane. They are doing it on principle. Your glass is always half empty. It must be depressing to be you. Sorry for your troubles. See a behavior specialist. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, traderdube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Baronet Theatre revival expected by summer > > Denny I'm in. What you and Pat are doing is vital to this city. I stopped in the Baronet on Saturday looking for you. I was bowled over - it is fantastic. What a gem and what a loss it would be for this property to be demolished. Have we not seen enough of our treasures crushed? I have a friend who runs a very successful children's theatre group in Staten Island SICTA. Very professional. She could bring in packaged shows ready to go. Talk to me. I may be a liability to you with the city, but I'll pitch in any way I can to help. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE ELEMENT OF TIMING
---Let's hope so. It's just a scam to get more money for the properties. The new owners of the Fast lanes, Baronet and Bowling Ally. Their just driving of the value, every dollar they put into those buildings they will get at least 2 dollars back. They know what they're doing. It's like buying tax liens you know you'll get your money back with interest. > What is the Eminent Domain status for the Baronet, Fast Lane and > Bowling ally? In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "The Council has moved to take the Kingsley Deli, Is 4th Ave next ?? > Let's hope so. It's just a scam to get more money for the properties." > > "Scam to get more money" by whom? > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE ELEMENT OF TIMING
"The Council has moved to take the Kingsley Deli, Is 4th Ave next ?? Let's hope so. It's just a scam to get more money for the properties." "Scam to get more money" by whom? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, traderdube wrote: > > > > > > Let's hope so. It's just a scam to get more money for the properties. > What is the Eminent Domain status for the Baronet, Fast Lane and > Bowling ally? > > The Council has moved to take the Kingsley Deli, Is 4th Ave next ?? > > Werner > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, traderdube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Baronet Theatre revival expected by summer What is the Eminent Domain status for the Baronet, Fast Lane and Bowling ally? The Council has moved to take the Kingsley Deli, Is 4th Ave next ?? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
