[AsburyPark] Re: First Columbus Now the Pilgrims

2006-11-10 Thread justifiedright
I know this story - I think they had weapons of mass destruction, 
too.

Seems the further away we get from history, the more it changes.

Must have something to do with no standards or licensure to call 
oneself historian.


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> Is nothing sacred? Tom, better cancel those indian outfits. The 
> History Channel will be airing "The Untold Story of the Mayflower" 
> on Nov 19. It is going to shatter some legends with facts. For 
> instance,
> 
> How did even that many survive? In his history of Plymouth Colony, 
> Governor William Bradford himself provides one answer: robbing 
> Indian houses and graves. The Mayflower hove to first at Cape Cod. 
> An armed company of Pilgrims staggered out. Eventually they found 
a 
> deserted Indian habitation. The newcomers—hungry, cold, sick—dug 
> open burial sites and ransacked homes, looking for underground 
> stashes of food. After two days of nervous work, the company 
hauled 
> ten bushels of maize back to the Mayflower, carrying much of the 
> booty in a big metal kettle the men had also stolen. "And sure it 
> was God's good providence that we found this corn," Winslow 
> wrote, "for else we know not how we should have done."
> 
> Will Keady get the blame for this? The WASPS in Ocean Township are 
> going to have a sh*tfit!
>





 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Casino Renovation

2006-11-10 Thread charlie leonard



thanks justifyed.   im behind on lots of stuff.  there was  tiem when i knew everything!  i knew about the 5th ave pavilloni though.  must have missed the part about convention hall   so infact the whole building is staying?  even the eastern end?    the window arrangement looks different, its missing the large off centered bow window on each side.  replaced by 3 squre windows. 
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[AsburyPark] First Columbus Now the Pilgrims

2006-11-10 Thread dfsavgny
Is nothing sacred? Tom, better cancel those indian outfits. The 
History Channel will be airing "The Untold Story of the Mayflower" 
on Nov 19. It is going to shatter some legends with facts. For 
instance,

How did even that many survive? In his history of Plymouth Colony, 
Governor William Bradford himself provides one answer: robbing 
Indian houses and graves. The Mayflower hove to first at Cape Cod. 
An armed company of Pilgrims staggered out. Eventually they found a 
deserted Indian habitation. The newcomers—hungry, cold, sick—dug 
open burial sites and ransacked homes, looking for underground 
stashes of food. After two days of nervous work, the company hauled 
ten bushels of maize back to the Mayflower, carrying much of the 
booty in a big metal kettle the men had also stolen. "And sure it 
was God's good providence that we found this corn," Winslow 
wrote, "for else we know not how we should have done."

Will Keady get the blame for this? The WASPS in Ocean Township are 
going to have a sh*tfit!






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Casino Renovation

2006-11-10 Thread oakdorf
how much was the sign - $1m?





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Casino Renovation

2006-11-10 Thread dfsavgny
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> justifyed -
>
>   where are you getting your information from?

It was me Chuck. I'm getting it from City Hall. Did you not notice 
the Dispute Resolution Agreement? There was no schedule before then. 
Pursuant to the agreement, the roof of the Casino (the portion to 
remain) is to be replaced by 9/2007. There are also other things 
(CH, 5th Ave pavillion) that must be done by that date. As for the 
Casino, then I beleive either by that date or perhaps later, the 
plans and schedule for the FULL restoration has to be set, which 
will be done in conjunction with the City. The initial improvements 
(Sep/2007) were pegged at $6M+ and Partners laid down 25% in escrow. 
They have to lay down 25% of whatever the costs are for the later 
improvements.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: roller derby

2006-11-10 Thread dfsavgny
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> was in casino, then the flea market, the zippo.
> 
> Get together, form a team "buy" a franchise, figure out the act and 
> book the hall. "Justifed Right" vs. "brooklyn appraisers".

I love it. How about Ocean Township Columbians v. Chief Pottymouth?





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: roller derby

2006-11-10 Thread apoojo
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> was in casino, then the flea market, the zippo.
> 
> not sure what you mean, was in casino, if your talking about roller 
derby your wrong was in air cooled conv. hall ice skating, roller 
skating was in casino, again not a historian just factual, agree with 
your drift try it you will fail, your right about ac bdwalk today, 
thousands, 50 on ours, whats the saying build it they will come, well 
they are not coming to look at condos they cannot afoord, bring back 
the entertainment, the rides the arcades, they will come, oh no they 
wont no parking




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Casino Renovation

2006-11-10 Thread dfsavgny
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>> Oh, and as for the hookers, it seems like they've pretty much gone 
away. On the block 
> where I live, there were everywhere, but it's been awhile since i've 
seen them lurking 
> around. Maybe they only come out in the warmer weather.
>

That was he was doing in the Metropolitan;)






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Metropolitan Hotel. What is to become of it?

2006-11-10 Thread dfsavgny
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> Jack I know the owners there.  I'll try to dig up a number and see 
> if I can get you in.
> 
Tom's fishing for a personal injury case ;)






 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Casino Renovation

2006-11-10 Thread charlie leonard



justifyed -     "However, this first round is supposed to be just the roof. I don't think there is a schedule yet for the total restoration, at least none that has been released."     where are you getting your information from?  did something change with the plan, that im ont aware of?  the plan still calls for the back half of the casino to be demolished and re built looknig similar.  take a look at the architect drawings posting outside.  its a different building.  different crown work, different window line up.  not the same building.   what first round restoration of the roof are you talking about?!  charlie 

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Metropolitan Hotel. What is to become of it?

2006-11-10 Thread charlie leonard



"Thanks!If I succeed in my mission to get inside myself, i'll post the photos here.  About 3 weeks ago, I noticed something weird on the south side of the Metropolitan.One of the rooms on the second floor had lights on, and looking up I could see a table and a painting on the wall. It looked like somebody was either staying there that night, or using the room as an office. Very eerie sight to see just the one room lit up like that."     there is always a light on in one of the rooms on the second floor.  not sure if its teh same room your talking about,  but im gonna guess it probably is!    i dont remember the light be on a few years back, but the last 2, its been on.  either someone is being let live in that room, or its just on for a security purpose of some sort.  most likley teh second one.     charlie 

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[AsburyPark] Re: roller derby

2006-11-10 Thread oakdorf
was in casino, then the flea market, the zippo.

Get together, form a team "buy" a franchise, figure out the act and 
book the hall. "Justifed Right" vs. "brooklyn appraisers".

Atlantic City was packed today. Teachers convention, warm weather, 
shops = people, and that was 2:00pm. 






 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Casino Renovation

2006-11-10 Thread charlie leonard



"Looks like Convention Hall is getting a big scrubbing inside. It's nice to see some work going on there, and it looks like the workers are doing a pretty good job."     yeah, its looking good.  but then agan, they did this last year, or the year before?  they do paint every once and a while.  the painting shoudlnt come as too big of a shock.   im pretty excited about the casino operation going on.  didint know it would be happening so soon. 

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[AsburyPark] Re: To our veterans

2006-11-10 Thread Jim

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> To all our vets from Asbury Park and any other veterans who may read 
> these messages: Thank you for your service and your contribution to 
> the preservation of our country and our freedom. Without you, 
> discussions like the ones here would not be possible. Your dedication 
> and patriotism is remembered and appreciated every day, not just on 
> Veterans Day.
>
~
Thank You for the Kind,Thoughtful Words.People like Yourself & the others here 
is what America is all about!!
God Bless All of you. 

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[AsburyPark] Re: Semi Pro Basketball in Asbury park?

2006-11-10 Thread arhythmick
I completely agree with the comment that Roller Derby would fit in 
with Asbury Park becasue it is funky.  I think that is exactly the 
kind of thing that AP should be looking for.  While I have never been 
to a match, I sure would try it. Back to basketball, it seems like 
several teams in the past once thought Convention Hall would be a 
good home court.  The only think missing then was a renovation and 
people.  I am hoping both are going to be here very soon.  I hope 
some of the team owners are watching and still interested...


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> With all due respect, I have to disagree with "been there, done 
that"
> Roller Derby has made a comeback big time.
> Go to the Gotham Girls website and you'll notice that all of their
> events are sold out. I went to one last summer, and it was amazing.
> 3000 plus people, great music and a great time. Asbury would be a
> perfect place for this.
> It's not only big in NY either. Indy teams are springing up all over
> the nation, and touring just like they did in the old days.
> What I think makes this attractive for Asbury is that it's unique,
> funky. I guarantee that the same crowd that packs Asbury Lanes would
> pack Convention Hall for one of these events.
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "apoojo"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge"  wrote:
> > >
> > > You know what else would be cool in an undergroud sorta way?
> > > Have Roller Derby in Convention Hall.
> > >been there done that, was big in th 50s and 60s, the biggest 
well one 
> > of them, downfall of convention hall is that it was built on 
pilings or 
> > piers right over the ocean, hence no cellar no storage space, to 
store 
> > needed equipment, to make it economical to switch from one event 
to 
> > another, like most facilities do.  perfect example is the bb 
floor and 
> > hoop posts are being stored in lees arcade(i believe i still hold 
many 
> > records there) and  the restaurant south of the main entrance, 
this is 
> > prime rental space being used for storage, please do not get me 
wrong i 
> > am not saying they should throw this equipment away, since it was 
> > bought by the taxpayers is in great shape and was left with the 
blding, 
> > for the new occupants ie fishman etal
> >
>





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Semi Pro Basketball in Asbury park?

2006-11-10 Thread apoojo
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> With all due respect, I have to disagree with "been there, done that"
> Roller Derby has made a comeback big time.
> Go to the Gotham Girls website and you'll notice that all of their
> events are sold out. I went to one last summer, and it was amazing.
> 3000 plus people, great music and a great time. Asbury would be a
> perfect place for this.
>  im sory you misinterpeted my message i was simply trying to tell you 
that con. hall had hosted very succesful roller derby events in the 
past, just giving you some history , not trying to be a historian like 
others, as far as it working again the proof is in the pudding, the 
hall is for rent go for it, before you do i suggest we talk,i saved 
many a person a good buck by telling them the facts ie , costs, timing, 
hidden costs, promotion,security, lighting, pa, etc. some listened and 
thanked me most just lost their shirts , event promotions is not as 
easy as it seems, if it was we would all be doing it, if you decide to 
do it i wish you the best of luck, and would assist any way possible.
>
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[AsburyPark] Re: Semi Pro Basketball in Asbury park?

2006-11-10 Thread justifiedright
Charlie O'Connor!!! 

Roller Derby flashback from when I was a kid.

Hey Jai alai almost made it here. I thing the boys in AC put the 
kabosh on it because of the gambling.

Maybe we could bring that back.



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> With all due respect, I have to disagree with "been there, done 
that"
> Roller Derby has made a comeback big time.
> Go to the Gotham Girls website and you'll notice that all of their
> events are sold out. I went to one last summer, and it was amazing.
> 3000 plus people, great music and a great time. Asbury would be a
> perfect place for this.
> It's not only big in NY either. Indy teams are springing up all 
over
> the nation, and touring just like they did in the old days.
> What I think makes this attractive for Asbury is that it's unique,
> funky. I guarantee that the same crowd that packs Asbury Lanes 
would
> pack Convention Hall for one of these events.
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "apoojo"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge"  wrote:
> > >
> > > You know what else would be cool in an undergroud sorta way?
> > > Have Roller Derby in Convention Hall.
> > >been there done that, was big in th 50s and 60s, the biggest 
well one 
> > of them, downfall of convention hall is that it was built on 
pilings or 
> > piers right over the ocean, hence no cellar no storage space, to 
store 
> > needed equipment, to make it economical to switch from one event 
to 
> > another, like most facilities do.  perfect example is the bb 
floor and 
> > hoop posts are being stored in lees arcade(i believe i still 
hold many 
> > records there) and  the restaurant south of the main entrance, 
this is 
> > prime rental space being used for storage, please do not get me 
wrong i 
> > am not saying they should throw this equipment away, since it 
was 
> > bought by the taxpayers is in great shape and was left with the 
blding, 
> > for the new occupants ie fishman etal
> >
>





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Semi Pro Basketball in Asbury park?

2006-11-10 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "apoojo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


>  perfect example is the bb floor and 
> hoop posts are being stored in lees arcade(i believe i still hold 
>many 
> records there) 

Sinbad?  Joker Poker?




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Semi Pro Basketball in Asbury park?

2006-11-10 Thread Hinge
With all due respect, I have to disagree with "been there, done that"
Roller Derby has made a comeback big time.
Go to the Gotham Girls website and you'll notice that all of their
events are sold out. I went to one last summer, and it was amazing.
3000 plus people, great music and a great time. Asbury would be a
perfect place for this.
It's not only big in NY either. Indy teams are springing up all over
the nation, and touring just like they did in the old days.
What I think makes this attractive for Asbury is that it's unique,
funky. I guarantee that the same crowd that packs Asbury Lanes would
pack Convention Hall for one of these events.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "apoojo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge"  wrote:
> >
> > You know what else would be cool in an undergroud sorta way?
> > Have Roller Derby in Convention Hall.
> >been there done that, was big in th 50s and 60s, the biggest well one 
> of them, downfall of convention hall is that it was built on pilings or 
> piers right over the ocean, hence no cellar no storage space, to store 
> needed equipment, to make it economical to switch from one event to 
> another, like most facilities do.  perfect example is the bb floor and 
> hoop posts are being stored in lees arcade(i believe i still hold many 
> records there) and  the restaurant south of the main entrance, this is 
> prime rental space being used for storage, please do not get me wrong i 
> am not saying they should throw this equipment away, since it was 
> bought by the taxpayers is in great shape and was left with the blding, 
> for the new occupants ie fishman etal
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[AsburyPark] Re: Semi Pro Basketball in Asbury park?

2006-11-10 Thread apoojo
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> You know what else would be cool in an undergroud sorta way?
> Have Roller Derby in Convention Hall.
>been there done that, was big in th 50s and 60s, the biggest well one 
of them, downfall of convention hall is that it was built on pilings or 
piers right over the ocean, hence no cellar no storage space, to store 
needed equipment, to make it economical to switch from one event to 
another, like most facilities do.  perfect example is the bb floor and 
hoop posts are being stored in lees arcade(i believe i still hold many 
records there) and  the restaurant south of the main entrance, this is 
prime rental space being used for storage, please do not get me wrong i 
am not saying they should throw this equipment away, since it was 
bought by the taxpayers is in great shape and was left with the blding, 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Semi Pro Basketball in Asbury park?

2006-11-10 Thread Hinge
You know what else would be cool in an undergroud sorta way?
Have Roller Derby in Convention Hall.
People might think it's a crazy idea, but head up to Brooklyn and it's a 
thriving thing.
AP could probably even have it's own Roller Derby team, and our town is full of 
enough 
hipsters and rock and roll people to ensure a good turnout.
How about combining music with Roller Derby?
Do a google search on Roller Derby and check out how many teams travel our 
country.
Here's a link to the NYC based group;
http://www.gothamgirlsrollerderby.com/

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "apoojo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arhythmick"  
> wrote:
> >
> > I stumbled upon the fact that there used to be a semi-pro 
> basketball 
> > team by the name of the Jersey Shorecats of the USBL who played 
> > their home games at Convention Hall.  It seems they disbanded 
> around 
> > 2001 and part of the reason a new owner didn't step up was because 
> > of the state of the Convention Hall facility (no locker rooms for 
> > one thing).  Does anyone have any info on this team?  Does anyone 
> > think it would be fun to try to get a new team to play here?  I am 
> > attaching the article here...
> > 
> > 
> > it was fun, the spiros family was great, always has been to asbury 
> owners of michaels restaurant 2nd and ocean, rick barry was the coach 
> hes a total ass, assistant coach was clifford ray ex center for nba 
> champions golden state warriors, classy guy, team did well the 
> facility was so liked by the league the championships were held there 
> the first year, shorecats got knocked out early, reggie hyde owner of 
> bar a was an investor and ran the concessions, another claassy guy, 
> while there were no showers there the team had an arrangement with 
> the berkley carteret, which obviously worked fairly well or the 
> league championships would not of been held there 1998 roster 
> included yinka dare from george washington and the nets, top players 
> were tunji awojobi from boston u. and ira bowman fro u of penn ( i 
> think he played a year or two in the pros), one of the top visiting 
> players was roy jones jr. of jacksonville, good bb player , but a 
> much better boxer,  i would say this league was about a double a team 
> compared to baseball, big nut to break even, which was probably the 
> deciding factor in them packing it in.
>





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Casino Renovation

2006-11-10 Thread Hinge
Nice post.
I completely agree about preserving the musical legacy that put Asbury on the 
map.
Cities like Austin TX get a huge chunk of change every year because of their 
SXSW festival.
It seems to be a no brainer to do the same sort of thing right here in AP.
Bring back the concerts on the beach that brought 10,000 people.
The Paramount is a great place to see a concert, and it's very underused for 
that purpose. 
Same thing goes for Convention Hall. Speaking of which, I saw a program on the 
FUSE 
channel about a major metal concert at Convention Hall this summer, and the 
backstage 
tour was depressing. All the walls were painted in the same ugly colors as the 
boardwalk, 
but under the flourescent lights, it looked more like a mental ward then a 
backstage.
Oh, and as for the hookers, it seems like they've pretty much gone away. On the 
block 
where I live, there were everywhere, but it's been awhile since i've seen them 
lurking 
around. Maybe they only come out in the warmer weather.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Dear Friends of Asbury:
> 
> As far as the Casino goes, it's probably one of the last recognizable 
> Landmarks left in Asbury Park, and well worth saving. This past summer I have 
> visited 
> Asbury quite a few times, I went to the car show and even walked the Board 
> Walk for the first time since 1973. Its the first time I actually felt safe 
> to 
> do so (more about that later). After reading 4th of July Asbury Park I drove 
> down Springwood a part of Town I have never been before I was amazed that 
> even 
> after all these years there were still Vacant Lots from when the riots had 
> taken Place.
> 
> Don't get me wrong I'm in no way putting Asbury Park down, very much the 
> opposite. I'm 45 years old, white grew up and continue to Live in Hoboken. I 
> have 
> many found memories of Asbury Park my family would rent a house in Ocean 
> Grove 
> (1966 to 1973) we would walk through the Casino on our way to the Board Walk, 
> the Palace, the Carousel's. Just hearing that the walk way was open again, 
> and you could walk over from OG actually brought the Idea of hope for Asbury 
> to 
> mind. I have visited Asbury Park on and off since about 1980 my Mother and I 
> brought my God Son down to go on the Rides (the last of the kids in the 
> Family 
> to do so). The first thing I noticed the Boat rides were gone from Wesley 
> Lake. A few years after that the rides were going, I'll never forget pulling 
> up in 
> front the Palace seeing it boarded up, the other Carousel gone from the 
> Casino, a few years after that it was crumbling gated the failed Condo 
> Complex 
> gated crumbling. I as said before I grew up in Hoboken this was a rough Town 
> like 
> the Lower east side when I was Kid, and I wasn't getting out on my car. 
> 
> Each time I visited the Town got a little worse, even just 2 or 3 Years ago I 
> went to Sandy Hook drove through Deal Allenhurst,they were Beautiful, when 
> you swung around the Lake it was like Driving into Beirut I couldn't believe 
> On 
> a Beautiful Summer Day the only Person walking in Town was a Hooker it was 
> Surreal like the Twilight Zone, we went over to Ocean Grove its was booming 
> the 
> Yuppies and New Yorkers had bought up the Town, (even tough I am not a fan of 
> yuppies as they have bought up Hoboken as well), anything was better then 
> what 
> we came through.
> 
> The thing I'm trying to get at is Asbury Park needs to build on it's History, 
> its Music History. What I see going on is the Powers that be are trying to 
> erase everything that Asbury once was even where the Palace once was they 
> have 
> realigned the streets to eradicate any trace it was there. While Eminent 
> Domain 
> may have it's place I believe the Supreme Court made a Supreme Injustice in 
> allowing Private Property to be taken for Private use. Coming from a Condo 
> Town 
> it has not worked here in Hoboken and it wont work in Asbury either it just 
> doesn't generate enough Taxes (I can't even afford to Live in the Town I grew 
> up in). What will probably happen is you will get a Private Gated Community 
> isolated from the rest of Town with Private Beaches, Just like Long Branch, 
> we 
> started going to the Beach at Long Branch a few Years ago, you could Park 
> anywhere, while the Town wasn't much to brag about it was clean uncrowded 
> ethnically 
> diverse, now yuppie vile.
> 
> I almost cried when I heard what had happened to the two Beautiful Carousel's 
> that once spun within a few hundred feet of each other, now the People who 
> snapped up the Carousel Horses will probably snap up all the property in 
> Asbury 
> Park and slowly force the People who have Lived and Visited for Years out, I 
> hope before it;s all set in stone the Powers that be realize before it's to 
> Late and re-evaluate the course they have laid out for Asbury, like the 
> Carousel's once there gone there gone for good.
> 
> Thank you
>

[AsburyPark] Re: Semi Pro Basketball in Asbury park?

2006-11-10 Thread apoojo
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arhythmick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> I stumbled upon the fact that there used to be a semi-pro 
basketball 
> team by the name of the Jersey Shorecats of the USBL who played 
> their home games at Convention Hall.  It seems they disbanded 
around 
> 2001 and part of the reason a new owner didn't step up was because 
> of the state of the Convention Hall facility (no locker rooms for 
> one thing).  Does anyone have any info on this team?  Does anyone 
> think it would be fun to try to get a new team to play here?  I am 
> attaching the article here...
> 
> 
> it was fun, the spiros family was great, always has been to asbury 
owners of michaels restaurant 2nd and ocean, rick barry was the coach 
hes a total ass, assistant coach was clifford ray ex center for nba 
champions golden state warriors, classy guy, team did well the 
facility was so liked by the league the championships were held there 
the first year, shorecats got knocked out early, reggie hyde owner of 
bar a was an investor and ran the concessions, another claassy guy, 
while there were no showers there the team had an arrangement with 
the berkley carteret, which obviously worked fairly well or the 
league championships would not of been held there 1998 roster 
included yinka dare from george washington and the nets, top players 
were tunji awojobi from boston u. and ira bowman fro u of penn ( i 
think he played a year or two in the pros), one of the top visiting 
players was roy jones jr. of jacksonville, good bb player , but a 
much better boxer,  i would say this league was about a double a team 
compared to baseball, big nut to break even, which was probably the 
deciding factor in them packing it in.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Casino Renovation

2006-11-10 Thread rlrdrken


Dear Friends of Asbury:

As far as the Casino goes, it's probably one of the last recognizable Landmarks left in Asbury Park, and well worth saving. This past summer I have visited Asbury quite a few times, I went to the car show and even walked the Board Walk for the first time since 1973. Its the first time I actually felt safe to do so (more about that later). After reading 4th of July Asbury Park I drove down Springwood a part of Town I have never been before I was amazed that even after all these years there were still Vacant Lots from when the riots had taken Place.

Don't get me wrong I'm in no way putting Asbury Park down, very much the opposite. I'm 45 years old, white grew up and continue to Live in Hoboken. I have many found memories of Asbury Park my family would rent a house in Ocean Grove (1966 to 1973) we would walk through the Casino on our way to the Board Walk, the Palace, the Carousel's. Just hearing that the walk way was open again, and you could walk over from OG actually brought the Idea of hope for Asbury to mind. I have visited Asbury Park on and off since about 1980 my Mother and I brought my God Son down to go on the Rides (the last of the kids in the Family to do so). The first thing I noticed the Boat rides were gone from Wesley Lake. A few years after that the rides were going, I'll never forget pulling up in front the Palace seeing it boarded up, the other Carousel gone from the Casino, a few years after that it was crumbling gated the failed Condo Complex gated crumbling. I as said before I grew up in Hoboken this was a rough Town like the Lower east side when I was Kid, and I wasn't getting out on my car. 

Each time I visited the Town got a little worse, even just 2 or 3 Years ago I went to Sandy Hook drove through Deal Allenhurst,they were Beautiful, when you swung around the Lake it was like Driving into Beirut I couldn't believe On a Beautiful Summer Day the only Person walking in Town was a Hooker it was Surreal like the Twilight Zone, we went over to Ocean Grove its was booming the Yuppies and New Yorkers had bought up the Town, (even tough I am not a fan of yuppies as they have bought up Hoboken as well), anything was better then what we came through.

The thing I'm trying to get at is Asbury Park needs to build on it's History, its Music History. What I see going on is the Powers that be are trying to erase everything that Asbury once was even where the Palace once was they have realigned the streets to eradicate any trace it was there. While Eminent Domain may have it's place I believe the Supreme Court made a Supreme Injustice in allowing Private Property to be taken for Private use. Coming from a Condo Town it has not worked here in Hoboken and it wont work in Asbury either it just doesn't generate enough Taxes (I can't even afford to Live in the Town I grew up in). What will probably happen is you will get a Private Gated Community isolated from the rest of Town with Private Beaches, Just like Long Branch, we started going to the Beach at Long Branch a few Years ago, you could Park anywhere, while the Town wasn't much to brag about it was clean uncrowded ethnically diverse, now yuppie vile.

I almost cried when I heard what had happened to the two Beautiful Carousel's that once spun within a few hundred feet of each other, now the People who snapped up the Carousel Horses will probably snap up all the property in Asbury Park and slowly force the People who have Lived and Visited for Years out, I hope before it;s all set in stone the Powers that be realize before it's to Late and re-evaluate the course they have laid out for Asbury, like the Carousel's once there gone there gone for good.

Thank you
A fan of Asbury Park
Always
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[AsburyPark] Re: Metropolitan Hotel. What is to become of it?

2006-11-10 Thread Hinge
H, what do you think he was doing?
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Jack I know the owners there.  I'll try to dig up a number and see 
> > if I can get you in.
> > 
> > 
> > just find louie politan, buy him a six pack and your in, hes probably 
> the one you saw that night, but he wasnt doing office work
>





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Metropolitan Hotel. What is to become of it?

2006-11-10 Thread apoojo
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> Jack I know the owners there.  I'll try to dig up a number and see 
> if I can get you in.
> 
> 
> just find louie politan, buy him a six pack and your in, hes probably 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Metropolitan Hotel. What is to become of it?

2006-11-10 Thread Hinge
You ain't kidding.
I also have done photo and video shoots at Marlboro Psych Hospital, as well as 
inside the 
Casino building, back before it was sealed up.
Marlboro was very bizarre. A few weeks before, the Marines had done a training 
exercise 
there, and there were bullet holes and spent shell casings everywhere. 
The caretaker took us everywhere, from the morgue, to the basement, the 
jail...everything.
Very strange indeed.
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge"  wrote:
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> > Thanks much.
> > I have a love of photos of abandoned places.
> > Jack
> 
> Well you've certainly come to the right place.
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[AsburyPark] Re: Metropolitan Hotel. What is to become of it?

2006-11-10 Thread justifiedright
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> Thanks much.
> I have a love of photos of abandoned places.
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[AsburyPark] Re: Metropolitan Hotel. What is to become of it?

2006-11-10 Thread Hinge
Thanks much.
I have a love of photos of abandoned places.
Jack
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> Jack I know the owners there.  I'll try to dig up a number and see 
> if I can get you in.
> 
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge"  wrote:
> > >
> > > It's definitely far gone. I walk my dog by there everyday. Too 
> bad 
> > they let it decay so much.
> > > Once, when I was a kid, my parents took me there. There was a 
> piano 
> > bar inside, and I had 
> > > my first and only "Grasshopper".
> > > Looks like i'm going to have to figure out how to get inside for 
> some 
> > photos before it's gone 
> > > forever.
> > 
> > Every once in a awhile the owner goes in through the garage on 
> Asbury. 
> > Somebody knows who he is but I doubt he'd let you in with the 
> liability 
> > issue.
> >
>





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Metropolitan Hotel. What is to become of it?

2006-11-10 Thread justifiedright
Jack I know the owners there.  I'll try to dig up a number and see 
if I can get you in.


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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge"  wrote:
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> > It's definitely far gone. I walk my dog by there everyday. Too 
bad 
> they let it decay so much.
> > Once, when I was a kid, my parents took me there. There was a 
piano 
> bar inside, and I had 
> > my first and only "Grasshopper".
> > Looks like i'm going to have to figure out how to get inside for 
some 
> photos before it's gone 
> > forever.
> 
> Every once in a awhile the owner goes in through the garage on 
Asbury. 
> Somebody knows who he is but I doubt he'd let you in with the 
liability 
> issue.
>





 
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[AsburyPark] Some Ideas For AP - Casino = Ice Rink etc

2006-11-10 Thread dfsavgny
ICE GOING, B'KLYN 
By RICH CALDER 

November 10, 2006 -- The Knicks just beat the Nets to Brooklyn. 

Madison Square Garden announced yesterday that it has expanded its 
empire into Brooklyn by partnering with the borough's answer to 
Chelsea Piers: the new Aviator Sports and Recreation complex at 
historic Floyd Bennett Field in Mill Basin. 

The slam-dunk deal means past and present Knicks, Rangers and WNBA 
Liberty players will regularly show up at the sports megaplex off 
Flatbush Avenue to host clinics and other events years before the 
anticipated 2009 move to Brooklyn of the New Jersey Nets. 

Some, like Hall-of-Fame Ranger Rod Gilbert and ex-Knick guard John 
Starks, were on hand yesterday to mark the occasion. 

"Madison Square Garden may reside in Manhattan, but we have always 
appreciated that a tremendous percentage of our fan base lives in 
Brooklyn and Queens," said MSG President Steve Mills, during a press 
conference announcing the deal. 

Gilbert, 1994 Stanley Cup Ranger Adam Graves and current Ranger Jed 
Ortmeyer later led members of the Xaverian HS hockey team in 
shooting and skating drills. 

Starks, known best for "The Dunk," when he slammed one home over 
Michael Jordan in the 1993 Eastern Conference Finals, called the 25 
acres of top-of-the-line indoor and outdoor recreation space at 
Aviator "incredible" and said he was "overwhelmed by the richness of 
its history." 

Aviator's 170,000 square feet of indoor space was created through 
the combining of four airplane hangars into one structure with the 
historic façades kept intact. 

Floyd Bennett Field is the site of New York's first municipal 
airport, from which aviation pioneers like Charles Lindbergh and 
Amelia Earhart once flew. 

The $38 million, 25-acre complex includes two regulation-size ice 
rinks, hardwood courts for basketball and volleyball, a 
gymnastics/dance-training center and two outdoor 
soccer/football/lacrosse fields. 

The site also includes a sports bar and a yet-to-open "Best of 
Brooklyn" food court, where patrons will be able taste famous 
borough treats like Junior's Cheesecake and Grimaldi's pizza. 

By the end of this month, the public will also have access to a 
state-of-the-art fitness center for members, a child-care center and 
1,600 square feet of retail space.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Metropolitan Hotel. What is to become of it?

2006-11-10 Thread dfsavgny
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> It's definitely far gone. I walk my dog by there everyday. Too bad 
they let it decay so much.
> Once, when I was a kid, my parents took me there. There was a piano 
bar inside, and I had 
> my first and only "Grasshopper".
> Looks like i'm going to have to figure out how to get inside for some 
photos before it's gone 
> forever.

Every once in a awhile the owner goes in through the garage on Asbury. 
Somebody knows who he is but I doubt he'd let you in with the liability 
issue.






 
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[AsburyPark] More Units - Less Time - Partners = 4 years & counting

2006-11-10 Thread dfsavgny
NEW WAVE OF ROCKAWAYS 
By STEPHANIE GASKELL 

November 10, 2006 -- The Rockaways are making a comeback. 

The city is adding nearly 4,000 units of middle-income housing, a 
YMCA, a Super Stop & Shop grocery store, more than 500,000 square 
feet of retail space and a new public school, Mayor Bloomberg 
announced yesterday. 

It's all part of a $1.5 billion public-private partnership to help 
revitalize the area from Beach 32nd to Beach 81st streets, which has 
been in decline since the 1950s. 


Officials hope to complete the entire project - two developments 
called Arverne by the Sea and Arvene East - in the next five to 
seven years. 


Bloomberg also said new YMCAs are being planned for Brooklyn, in 
Bedford-Stuyvesant and Coney Island. 







 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Casino Renovation

2006-11-10 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> Louis Navarette and I were just starting to work on the idea of a 
> world-wide competition for design when all of a sudden he up and 
> moved (selling his house to some nice family from Brooklyn).

Ha, ha, good doggy. I hear you. But listen, it is already an 
extraordinary building built by extraordinary architects (I know 
you'll say one of their lesser works). BTW, While it is still a 
little late, I welcome the restoration of the Casino. That has been 
my pet peeve. However, this first round is supposed to be just the 
roof. I don't think there is a schedule yet for the total 
restoration, at least none that has been released.

Over and out

The Chief






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Metropolitan Hotel. What is to become of it?

2006-11-10 Thread Hinge
It's definitely far gone. I walk my dog by there everyday. Too bad they let it 
decay so much.
Once, when I was a kid, my parents took me there. There was a piano bar inside, 
and I had 
my first and only "Grasshopper".
Looks like i'm going to have to figure out how to get inside for some photos 
before it's gone 
forever.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge"  wrote:
> >
> > Does anybody know what is to become of the Metropolitan Hotel?
> > Also, does anybody know who I could contact to try and arrange for a 
> tour of the interior so I 
> > can take photographs?
> >
> I heard the other day they gave to green light to demolish it. Under 
> the plan it was supposed to be restored. I never thought it could be, 
> it was too far gone.
>





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Casino Renovation

2006-11-10 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> //Don't mean to start a flame war over the mertis of the Casino.


Not to worry, my knuckles are still sore from beating the pee (Allan?) 
out of you yesterday.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Metropolitan Hotel. What is to become of it?

2006-11-10 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Does anybody know what is to become of the Metropolitan Hotel?
> Also, does anybody know who I could contact to try and arrange for a 
tour of the interior so I 
> can take photographs?
>
I heard the other day they gave to green light to demolish it. Under 
the plan it was supposed to be restored. I never thought it could be, 
it was too far gone.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Casino Renovation

2006-11-10 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" 
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> Well you know Asbury...
> 
> It's not enough for us to have one empty, barely used convention 
> center that loses money - we have to have two.
> 
CH is empty because morons are running it. The tax credits alone from 
the Casino are worth $8 million.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: CM Pallone and Asbury Park

2006-11-10 Thread justifiedright
OK that's one visit (a photo op I might add; he didn't help the 
Center).

So, in 22 years representing Asbury Park we have 1 visit for a photo 
op. (Can someone send me a picture?)

Anyone else have a Pallone sighting?  Better luck finding a mermaid.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jim Keady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> In response to Mr. DeSeno's comment about CM Pallone:  
> 
>  
> 
> < Ranney School night?>>
> 
>  
> 
> Yes.  I stood with him during the dedication of The Center in 
October.  He
> spent about an hour at The Center, toured the building, spoke with 
citizens,
> etc.  On that day let me know that he is willing and wanting to 
discuss
> issues dealing with Asbury Park and told me to call him and make an
> appointment to do so.   Also, on October 17th he and I were to 
meet with the
> principals of the Metro Homes project to discuss the union/local 
workforce
> issues.  Metro cancelled the meeting at the last minute.  I plan 
to request
> a new date from them soon.  
> 
>  
> 
>  I also plan to arrange a meeting with CM Pallone in the coming 
weeks to
> discuss getting federal help for Asbury Park's recreation, police, 
workforce
> development and economic revitalization efforts.  I certainly 
welcome
> additional suggestions for discussion from constituents.  
> 
>  
> 
> I hope this finds everyone enjoying this beautiful day.  
> 
>  
> 
> Peace, JWK  
> 
>  
> 
> Councilman James W. Keady
> 
> 1 Municipal Plaza
> 
> Asbury Park, NJ 07712
> 
> TEL: 732.502.5196
> 
> EM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> www.cityofasburypark.com
>





 
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[AsburyPark] Nicole Atkins video. Interesting use of old Asbury photos

2006-11-10 Thread Hinge
Check out this video by Nicole Atkins. Very cool...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TE5hK6eLkYI&eurl=




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Casino Renovation

2006-11-10 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Jack I'll take your advice and go down to see it and give it a 
chance.

My problem with the Casino is more about what I saw as a blown 
opportunity.

CH is a nice enough building to perserve history with.  I thought in 
the Casino spot, which is huge extending from the beach all the way 
west, could have been used to build something extraordinary.

Not slightly extraordinary, world class extraordinary.

Louis Navarette and I were just starting to work on the idea of a 
world-wide competition for design when all of a sudden he up and 
moved (selling his house to some nice family from Brooklyn).

Doesn't matter because it's a fight I lost.



>
> Tommy,
> You should take a walk down there and look at the drawing.
> It looks pretty wonderful to me.
> In my opinion, if they bring it back to it's original glory it'll 
be a big improvement to the 
> boardwalk. My only concern is what are they going to put inside 
the buildings?
> Just out of curiosity, what do you have against the Casino?
> Jack
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" 
 wrote:
> >
> > Hi Chuck,
> > 
> > I'm not usually negative about the beachfront.
> > 
> > One quirk that I have is my disdain for the Casino.  I think we 
> > should dump it and build something wonderful there.
> > 
> > /I know I stand completely alone on that.
> > //Don't mean to start a flame war over the mertis of the Casino.
> > 
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > "Well you know Asbury...
> > > 
> > > It's not enough for us to have one empty, barely used 
convention 
> > > center that loses money - we have to have two."
> > >
> > >   yet everything is negative on this board.  why is that?  
> > something happens, and its always negative?  even if its 
something 
> > good that is happening??  its true the convetion hall isnt used 
much 
> > these days, but you have to keep in mind its in the middle of a 
> > construction war zone.  i suspect any developer may do the same 
> > thing.  asbury partners or not.  keeping in it low key for a 
while, 
> > till the area around it is in better condition.  i know asbury 
> > partners are not the best at certain things.  but they do have a 
> > plan in their heads.  it may not be the plan you like, or want 
ot 
> > see happen.  but they do know what they are doing in one form or 
> > antoher  (again, it may not be what we want.  but the plan is 
moving 
> > ahead)
> > > 
> > >  
> > > -
> > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
> > >
> >
>





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Casino Renovation

2006-11-10 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Jack I'll take your advice and go down to see it and give it a 
chance.

My problem with the Casino is more about what I saw as a blown 
opportunity.

CH is a nice enough building to perserve history with.  I thought in 
the Casino spot, which is huge extending from the beach all the way 
west, could have been used to build something extraordinary.

Not slightly extraordinary, world class extraordinary.

Louis Navarette and I were just starting to work on the idea of a 
world-wide competition for design when all of a sudden he up and 
moved (selling his house to some nice family from Brooklyn).

Doesn't matter because it's a fight I lost.



>
> Tommy,
> You should take a walk down there and look at the drawing.
> It looks pretty wonderful to me.
> In my opinion, if they bring it back to it's original glory it'll 
be a big improvement to the 
> boardwalk. My only concern is what are they going to put inside 
the buildings?
> Just out of curiosity, what do you have against the Casino?
> Jack
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" 
 wrote:
> >
> > Hi Chuck,
> > 
> > I'm not usually negative about the beachfront.
> > 
> > One quirk that I have is my disdain for the Casino.  I think we 
> > should dump it and build something wonderful there.
> > 
> > /I know I stand completely alone on that.
> > //Don't mean to start a flame war over the mertis of the Casino.
> > 
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > "Well you know Asbury...
> > > 
> > > It's not enough for us to have one empty, barely used 
convention 
> > > center that loses money - we have to have two."
> > >
> > >   yet everything is negative on this board.  why is that?  
> > something happens, and its always negative?  even if its 
something 
> > good that is happening??  its true the convetion hall isnt used 
much 
> > these days, but you have to keep in mind its in the middle of a 
> > construction war zone.  i suspect any developer may do the same 
> > thing.  asbury partners or not.  keeping in it low key for a 
while, 
> > till the area around it is in better condition.  i know asbury 
> > partners are not the best at certain things.  but they do have a 
> > plan in their heads.  it may not be the plan you like, or want 
ot 
> > see happen.  but they do know what they are doing in one form or 
> > antoher  (again, it may not be what we want.  but the plan is 
moving 
> > ahead)
> > > 
> > >  
> > > -
> > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
> > >
> >
>





 
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[AsburyPark] CM Pallone and Asbury Park

2006-11-10 Thread Jim Keady










In response to Mr. DeSeno’s comment about CM
Pallone:  

 

<>

 

Yes.  I stood with him during the dedication of The
Center in October.  He spent about an hour at The Center, toured the building,
spoke with citizens, etc.  On that day let me know that he is willing and
wanting to discuss issues dealing with Asbury Park and told me to call him and
make an appointment to do so.   Also, on October 17th he
and I were to meet with the principals of the Metro Homes project to discuss
the union/local workforce issues.  Metro cancelled the meeting at the last
minute.  I plan to request a new date from them soon.  

 

 I also plan to arrange a meeting with CM Pallone in
the coming weeks to discuss getting federal help for Asbury Park’s
recreation, police, workforce development and economic revitalization efforts. 
I certainly welcome additional suggestions for discussion from
constituents.  

 

I hope this finds everyone enjoying this beautiful
day.  

 

Peace, JWK  

 



Councilman James W. Keady

1 Municipal Plaza

Asbury Park, NJ 07712

TEL: 732.502.5196

EM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

www.cityofasburypark.com



 

 




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Re: [AsburyPark] Semi Pro Basketball in Asbury park?

2006-11-10 Thread Skip Bernstein





Here's another former Asbury team.
http://www.jerseyshoregourmet.com/miscellaneous/Asbury/Move_Squires.htm
 Skip Bernstein[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://adogsbreakfast.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  arhythmick 
  To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 11:45 
  AM
  Subject: [AsburyPark] Semi Pro Basketball 
  in Asbury park?
  
  
  I stumbled upon the fact that there used to be a semi-pro basketball 
  team by the name of the Jersey Shorecats of the USBL who played their 
  home games at Convention Hall. It seems they disbanded around 2001 and 
  part of the reason a new owner didn't step up was because of the state of 
  the Convention Hall facility (no locker rooms for one thing). Does anyone 
  have any info on this team? Does anyone think it would be fun to try to 
  get a new team to play here? I am attaching the article here...The 
  Asbury Park-based New Jersey ShoreCats professional basketball franchise 
  has suspended operations and will not field a team this season, president 
  and part-owner Spiro Michals said yesterday. Michals and his father, 
  George, majority owners of the team, said they want to get out of the 
  day-to-day basketball business to concentrate on other family ventures and 
  have been trying to sell the team for several months. Spiro Michals 
  said several groups expressed interest in buying the 3-year-old United 
  States Basketball League franchise, but a deal couldn't be worked out 
  before the USBL season begins in late April."We do have someone 
  interested in buying the franchise. The problem that was hanging us up was 
  convincing them to stay in Asbury," he said. "They're still interested in 
  buying the franchise and I think they're interested in bringing it back 
  here, but I'm not sure." Spiro Michals said his family would be 
  willing to remain as part-owners if they were not required to run the 
  team. The ShoreCats played approximately 15 games a year at Asbury Park 
  Convention Hall. Several prospective buyers were disappointed that 
  Convention Hall has no locker rooms or shower facilities. Since the team's 
  inception, the city and ShoreCats had discussed sharing the cost of 
  upgrading the facility by adding showers and locker rooms, but never 
  reached an agreement. The ShoreCats were considered one of the 
  most stable and successful franchises in the 16-year-old USBL, which plays 
  from late April to early July. Attendance has been steadily shrinking, 
  however, since the team averaged about 2,000 fans per game in its debut 
  season in 1998, with NBA Hall of Famer Rick Barry as coach. When Barry 
  left to coach another USBL team last season, the ShoreCats averaged fewer 
  than 1,000 fans despite posting a franchise-best 20-12 record. 
  According to Spiro Michals, the team hovered around profitability 
  despite the reduced attendance.Jersey ShoreCats basketball franchise 
  to disband Former Shorecats coach NBA Hall of Famer Rick BarryBut when 
  he compared the small return on investment with the amount of time and 
  effort required to keep the team at or near profitability, Michals said, 
  he couldn't justify keeping the ShoreCats when similar efforts in the 
  family's other businesses -- which include publishing, online and other 
  ventures -- bring much better returns."I loved hanging around with 
  the players and the coaches and all the hype with Rick Barry was great," 
  Michals said. 'It's just unfortunate that to have those two months of 
  great times, you work your tail off for 10 months just to get to a small 
  measure of profitability. I'm not sorry we tried. The team still has a 
  strong sponsor base even today. I got a ton of calls this year from 
  people looking for tickets and group things. "Unfortunately, we 
  just don't have the time and energy to put into running the team." 
  Mike Sweet, general manager of the USBL's Pennsylvania ValleyDawgs 
  and the former ShoreCats director of scouting, said the league hopes 
  the ShoreCats will be back next year."It's disappointing to the 
  league, because we did feel it was a very good franchise -- from Day 1, 
  when it opened, up to last year," he said. "I know the league is 
  disappointed. We really liked the area and the group." BACK TO 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Casino Renovation

2006-11-10 Thread Hinge
Tommy,
You should take a walk down there and look at the drawing.
It looks pretty wonderful to me.
In my opinion, if they bring it back to it's original glory it'll be a big 
improvement to the 
boardwalk. My only concern is what are they going to put inside the buildings?
Just out of curiosity, what do you have against the Casino?
Jack
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Chuck,
> 
> I'm not usually negative about the beachfront.
> 
> One quirk that I have is my disdain for the Casino.  I think we 
> should dump it and build something wonderful there.
> 
> /I know I stand completely alone on that.
> //Don't mean to start a flame war over the mertis of the Casino.
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard  
> wrote:
> >
> > "Well you know Asbury...
> > 
> > It's not enough for us to have one empty, barely used convention 
> > center that loses money - we have to have two."
> >
> >   yet everything is negative on this board.  why is that?  
> something happens, and its always negative?  even if its something 
> good that is happening??  its true the convetion hall isnt used much 
> these days, but you have to keep in mind its in the middle of a 
> construction war zone.  i suspect any developer may do the same 
> thing.  asbury partners or not.  keeping in it low key for a while, 
> till the area around it is in better condition.  i know asbury 
> partners are not the best at certain things.  but they do have a 
> plan in their heads.  it may not be the plan you like, or want ot 
> see happen.  but they do know what they are doing in one form or 
> antoher  (again, it may not be what we want.  but the plan is moving 
> ahead)
> > 
> >  
> > -
> > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
> >
>





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Casino Renovation

2006-11-10 Thread justifiedright
Hi Chuck,

I'm not usually negative about the beachfront.

One quirk that I have is my disdain for the Casino.  I think we 
should dump it and build something wonderful there.

/I know I stand completely alone on that.
//Don't mean to start a flame war over the mertis of the Casino.

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> 
> It's not enough for us to have one empty, barely used convention 
> center that loses money - we have to have two."
>
>   yet everything is negative on this board.  why is that?  
something happens, and its always negative?  even if its something 
good that is happening??  its true the convetion hall isnt used much 
these days, but you have to keep in mind its in the middle of a 
construction war zone.  i suspect any developer may do the same 
thing.  asbury partners or not.  keeping in it low key for a while, 
till the area around it is in better condition.  i know asbury 
partners are not the best at certain things.  but they do have a 
plan in their heads.  it may not be the plan you like, or want ot 
see happen.  but they do know what they are doing in one form or 
antoher  (again, it may not be what we want.  but the plan is moving 
ahead)
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[AsburyPark] Re: Metropolitan Hotel. What is to become of it?

2006-11-10 Thread Hinge
Thanks!
If I succeed in my mission to get inside myself, i'll post the photos here.
About 3 weeks ago, I noticed something weird on the south side of the 
Metropolitan.
One of the rooms on the second floor had lights on, and looking up I could see 
a table and a 
painting on the wall. It looked like somebody was either staying there that 
night, or using the 
room as an office. Very eerie sight to see just the one room lit up like that.

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> hinge -  go to google and search google images for  asbury park inside 
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it comes up wth a few pictures.  nothing too detailed, but theres 2 inside i 
think!
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[AsburyPark] Semi Pro Basketball in Asbury park?

2006-11-10 Thread arhythmick
I stumbled upon the fact that there used to be a semi-pro basketball 
team by the name of the Jersey Shorecats of the USBL who played 
their home games at Convention Hall.  It seems they disbanded around 
2001 and part of the reason a new owner didn't step up was because 
of the state of the Convention Hall facility (no locker rooms for 
one thing).  Does anyone have any info on this team?  Does anyone 
think it would be fun to try to get a new team to play here?  I am 
attaching the article here...


The Asbury Park-based New Jersey ShoreCats professional basketball 
franchise has suspended operations and will not field a team this 
season, president and part-owner Spiro Michals said yesterday. 
Michals and his father, George, majority owners of the team, said 
they want to get out of the day-to-day basketball business to 
concentrate on other family ventures and have been trying to sell 
the team for several months. 
Spiro Michals said several groups expressed interest in buying the 3-
year-old United States Basketball League franchise, but a deal 
couldn't be worked out before the USBL season begins in late April.

"We do have someone interested in buying the franchise. The problem 
that was hanging us up was convincing them to stay in Asbury," he 
said. "They're still interested in buying the franchise and I think 
they're interested in bringing it back here, but I'm not sure." 

Spiro Michals said his family would be willing to remain as part-
owners if they were not required to run the team. The ShoreCats 
played approximately 15 games a year at Asbury Park Convention Hall. 

Several prospective buyers were disappointed that Convention Hall 
has no locker rooms or shower facilities. Since the team's 
inception, the city and ShoreCats had discussed sharing the cost of 
upgrading the facility by adding showers and locker rooms, but never 
reached an agreement. 

The ShoreCats were considered one of the most stable and successful 
franchises in the 16-year-old USBL, which plays from late April to 
early July. Attendance has been steadily shrinking, however, since 
the team averaged about 2,000 fans per game in its debut season in 
1998, with NBA Hall of Famer Rick Barry as coach. When Barry left to 
coach another USBL team last season, the ShoreCats averaged fewer 
than 1,000 fans despite posting a franchise-best 20-12 record. 

According to Spiro Michals, the team hovered around profitability 
despite the reduced attendance.
Jersey ShoreCats basketball franchise to disband Former Shorecats 
coach NBA Hall of Famer Rick Barry
But when he compared the small return on investment with the amount 
of time and effort required to keep the team at or near 
profitability, Michals said, he couldn't justify keeping the 
ShoreCats when similar efforts in the family's other businesses -- 
which include publishing, online and other ventures -- bring much 
better returns.

"I loved hanging around with the players and the coaches and all the 
hype with Rick Barry was great," Michals said. 'It's just 
unfortunate that to have those two months of great times, you work 
your tail off for 10 months just to get to a small measure of 
profitability. I'm not sorry we tried. The team still has a strong 
sponsor base even today. I got a ton of calls this year from 
people looking for tickets and group things. 

"Unfortunately, we just don't have the time and energy to put into 
running the team." 

Mike Sweet, general manager of the USBL's Pennsylvania ValleyDawgs 
and the former ShoreCats director of scouting, said the league hopes 
the ShoreCats will be back next year.

"It's disappointing to the league, because we did feel it was a very 
good franchise -- from Day 1, when it opened, up to last year," he 
said. "I know the league is disappointed. We really liked the area 
and the group." 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Casino Renovation

2006-11-10 Thread Hinge
Looks like Convention Hall is getting a big scrubbing inside. It's nice to see 
some work 
going on there, and it looks like the workers are doing a pretty good job.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> "Well you know Asbury...
> 
> It's not enough for us to have one empty, barely used convention 
> center that loses money - we have to have two."
>
>   yet everything is negative on this board.  why is that?  something happens, 
> and its 
always negative?  even if its something good that is happening??  its true the 
convetion 
hall isnt used much these days, but you have to keep in mind its in the middle 
of a 
construction war zone.  i suspect any developer may do the same thing.  asbury 
partners 
or not.  keeping in it low key for a while, till the area around it is in 
better condition.  i 
know asbury partners are not the best at certain things.  but they do have a 
plan in their 
heads.  it may not be the plan you like, or want ot see happen.  but they do 
know what 
they are doing in one form or antoher  (again, it may not be what we want.  but 
the plan is 
moving ahead)
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Re: [AsburyPark] Metropolitan Hotel. What is to become of it?

2006-11-10 Thread charlie leonard



hinge -  go to google and search google images for  asbury park inside metropolitan hotel.   it comes up wth a few pictures.  nothing too detailed, but theres 2 inside i think!  charlie 

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[AsburyPark] To our veterans

2006-11-10 Thread asburyparknet
To all our vets from Asbury Park and any other veterans who may read 
these messages: Thank you for your service and your contribution to 
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discussions like the ones here would not be possible. Your dedication 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Casino Renovation

2006-11-10 Thread charlie leonard



"Well you know Asbury...It's not enough for us to have one empty, barely used convention center that loses money - we have to have two."     yet everything is negative on this board.  why is that?  something happens, and its always negative?  even if its something good that is happening??  its true the convetion hall isnt used much these days, but you have to keep in mind its in the middle of a construction war zone.  i suspect any developer may do the same thing.  asbury partners or not.  keeping in it low key for a while, till the area around it is in better condition.  i know asbury partners are not the best at certain things.  but they do have a plan in their heads.  it may not be the plan you like, or want ot see happen.  but they do know what they are doing in one form or antoher  (again, it may not be what we want.  but the plan is moving ahead) 

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: casino demoltion

2006-11-10 Thread charlie leonard



"I hope the city has an approved plan and timeline for the rebuilding otherwise it should not be touched"     there are 2 large wooden signes on the southern and eastern sides of the building.  a few hand out copies for the public too.  there appears to be a plan, but has it been approved yet? i dont know.  but the plan looks good from the picture.  looks very similar to how the back end of the casino looks now.  with a few minor changes.   

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Re: [AsburyPark] Casino Renovation

2006-11-10 Thread charlie leonard



"I was down at the boardwalk, and it looks like the Casino renovation is going to be a big affair. There's an architectural drawing next to it, and it looks like the building is going to be restored to it's original look. If so, I really look forward to seeing the completedproject."     that is what was always intendted.  its not exactly being resotred though, more like re constructed.  but either way, its going to be good. 

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[AsburyPark] Metropolitan Hotel. What is to become of it?

2006-11-10 Thread Hinge
Does anybody know what is to become of the Metropolitan Hotel?
Also, does anybody know who I could contact to try and arrange for a tour of 
the interior so I 
can take photographs?




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Casino Renovation

2006-11-10 Thread Hinge
Well, maybe we'll get lucky and that won't be the case.
At very least, we'll have an attractive building there instead of the
ruin it has become.
Hey, does anybody know of any photos of the inside of the powerplant
building, or The Metropolitan Hotel?
Jack
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> Well you know Asbury...
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> 
> 
> 
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> >
> > I was down at the boardwalk, and it looks like the Casino renovation 
> is going to be a big 
> > affair. There's an architectural drawing next to it, and it looks 
> like the building is going to be 
> > restored to it's original look. If so, I really look forward to 
> seeing the completed project.
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[AsburyPark] Re: Casino Renovation

2006-11-10 Thread justifiedright
Well you know Asbury...

It's not enough for us to have one empty, barely used convention 
center that loses money - we have to have two.



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like the building is going to be 
> restored to it's original look. If so, I really look forward to 
seeing the completed project.
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[AsburyPark] Casino Renovation

2006-11-10 Thread Hinge
I was down at the boardwalk, and it looks like the Casino renovation is going 
to be a big 
affair. There's an architectural drawing next to it, and it looks like the 
building is going to be 
restored to it's original look. If so, I really look forward to seeing the 
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[AsburyPark] Re: City Gives Away Triangle - Developer to Build Luxury Units on Site

2006-11-10 Thread oakdorf
The purpose of the "meandering" boardwalk is simple - to alter the wording of 
the 
agreement. If not in the current agreement or one of cafra permits, this goes 
back some 
time, the "line of the boardwalk"  if continued straight, is the LINE 
determining east/west. 
Shove the boardwalk towards the ocean and you now have more land "west" of the 
boards 
to build on. Simple. How do you think the created billions in NYC in Batttery 
Park City? Fill.

Watch, they will close off Ocean Ave over there as well. Look at it, it serves 
no purpose. 
Now, add that "little" worthless section of Ocean Ave, and those 10 or 18 
houses becomes 
a great site for condos or 36 houses. Then the "triangle" is no more, now part 
of the entire 
section. Each lot worth $1.5-$4m, based Long Branch/deal/Locah arbor values. 
(ocean 
front in deal/allenhurst etc - like mastercard - priceless).

As for the palace up for $2.5m - in reality, it NEVER was really for sale, 
regardless of you 
might think. Why would they sell that site, even then, for that price?? It 
didn't dit the plan, 
was an eyesore (to many). And here again, you take the palace site, rearrange 
the streets, 
and you now have the site site for a possible hotel site, retail etc.  - on the 
Ocean and 
Lake. All planned.

If they didn't plan it, then stupid.







 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Who's The Rat?

2006-11-10 Thread MarioAPNJ






= 
Rest in Peace Ed Bradley, 1941-2006.  A class act journalist: 
aggressive and plucky, yet always civil.
= Re Dan's post:
 

Okay, Yahoo told me I violated TOS. Must 
  be the bad words I used. Hmmm. I guess I'll have to fvk with symbols from 
  now on. Allan?

 
Rat, as in "sneaky informant," works, but small-minded and petty stooge is 
closer to the mark.  When you can't win on the ideas front, go the route of 
get-even.
 
Amazes me how some can be offended by some good old Anglo-Saxon words (even 
dubya gets away with them) but not by slander, malice, or incompetence 
which really hurt people.  
 
Same people, I guess, who think private acts among consenting adults and 
stained blue dresses are worse than the plots to expose 
those things for political gain.
 
Maybe TOS should include "truthiness" and  fact manipulation in 
the list of offenses. 
 
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