[AsburyPark] Re: "Radio Nowhere"

[Hinge]

Good post Kevin.
Depressing, but good.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Boiling it all down I see it a simple chapter.  The State is so askew 
> that it needs to take areas and increase density and throw out more 
> middle to lower middle income people to balance the droves of upper 
> middle and upper class people who left over the last 5 years.
> 
> As the government of New Jersey became so "google" in size it 
> required excessive taxing.  So to keep the rich in the State they 
> have cut deals with people to gentrify areas that could be made 
> desireable like ocean front property.
> 
> For so many years Monmouth County was one of the top ranked counties 
> in America.  Freehold, Long Branch & Asbury Park are marked for a 
> planned reversal of zoning revenue.  Taxes will be quad what they 
> were 5 years ago, and those who benefitted by the gentrification (sp) 
> will be those that make the profits associated with the developments 
> and then those who get to live right where the slum was last year.
> 
> The politicians are fed by the campaign contributions and the 
> decisions are legislated towards those that fund the politicians.
> 
> It has nothing to do with Bruce, Asbury Radio, The Press, it's just a 
> drug known as "power" and the dealers of this habitual social desease 
> are Cherokee, Hovnian, Applied, Matzel Mumford.  The unions, and the 
> municipalities and the school districts.  New Jersey is sick, it 
> needs a miracle.  Unfortunately I do not see it coming.
> 
> We are economically not viable, to think otherwise is to fool 
> yourself.  No matter what you reveal on the air or in print or 
> online, if you think they are worried about what any of us have to 
> say, your fooling yourself.
> 
> The masses have been numbed, and they are not gonna wake up anytime 
> soon, because they can rent a U Haul and relocate elsewhere more 
> easily.
> 
> "Only the fool thinks they are important to the King, and they are 
> right, becasue they are the King's fool!"
> 
> KB
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "radio881gal"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Wouldn't that be something if Springsteen's 'Radio Nowhere' was 
> about 
> > the jettisoning of Asbury Radio? When I listen to it I hear a lot 
> of 
> > potential veins, but I'm still not sure about how I feel about the 
> > ones that were actually tapped.
> >Alas, the song seems to be more about the lack of musical 
> > identity, than community radio, per se. We did play local musicians 
> > though, so maybe...
> >I often did wonder if Bruce ever knew about Asbury Radio - we 
> were 
> > the only radio show about Asbury Park, after all. I used to make a 
> > joke about the fact that I did turn down a Springsteen interview, 
> > back in the early 70's, in favor of one with Robert Klein. 
> > (Obviously, I was very young!) I invented this whole thing about 
> how 
> > Bruce wouldn't visit Asbury Radio because he was still punishing 
> me. 
> > Don't think anyone fell for that one.
> > I used to seriously worry that Bruce ignored us because he 
> > thought the show, by examining the redevelopment process in depth, 
> > was somehow undermining the quest of redevelopment. (With the 
> > exception of the Esperanza's original name, "The Rising", can you 
> > think of a time Bruce interferred in the plans?) This was because 
> our 
> > critics often grouped the show into the 'they're against 
> > redevelopment' label. The idea was absurd. How could anyone be 
> > opposed to redeveloping a barren, blighted landscape on its face? 
> > However, the devil, as we know now,was in the details. 
> >It's nearly a year since we were forced off the air and I wonder 
> > if we could've even had a show if we were to have started today. 
> > There's too much riding on the waterfront's success. How would 
> > Cherokee Investments, with its $30 million in the kitty, (It is a 
> 50% 
> > partner in Asbury Partners) react? 
> > There is almost a collective holding of breath out there right 
> > now. The notion being that if anyone of us exhales the bubble may 
> > deflate even more. One must smile continously and recite market 
> comps 
> > while doing so. We must all drink the Kool-Aid. The stakes are too 
> > high not to. 
> >I've always felt that Asbury was a strange little microcosm of 
> > what's going on nationally. Have you noticed how the 
> word 'politics' 
> > has replaced 'communism' in our 'emphasis vernacular'? I swear sex 
> > and politics are the two biggest taboos of this century. Sex is 
> > imperative to human life and politics, well, Jesus Christ was 
> > political, for...
> >So what does Bruce think of all this? I think we're all clear on 
> > where he comes down about sex, actually. And, he's never really 
> > choked on political issues regionally. But how does he react to the 
> > closing of the WB? And the Pony, did someone say it's next?
> >Here's what I overheard about the closin

[AsburyPark] Re: "Radio Nowhere"

[Kevin Brown]

Boiling it all down I see it a simple chapter.  The State is so askew 
that it needs to take areas and increase density and throw out more 
middle to lower middle income people to balance the droves of upper 
middle and upper class people who left over the last 5 years.

As the government of New Jersey became so "google" in size it 
required excessive taxing.  So to keep the rich in the State they 
have cut deals with people to gentrify areas that could be made 
desireable like ocean front property.

For so many years Monmouth County was one of the top ranked counties 
in America.  Freehold, Long Branch & Asbury Park are marked for a 
planned reversal of zoning revenue.  Taxes will be quad what they 
were 5 years ago, and those who benefitted by the gentrification (sp) 
will be those that make the profits associated with the developments 
and then those who get to live right where the slum was last year.

The politicians are fed by the campaign contributions and the 
decisions are legislated towards those that fund the politicians.

It has nothing to do with Bruce, Asbury Radio, The Press, it's just a 
drug known as "power" and the dealers of this habitual social desease 
are Cherokee, Hovnian, Applied, Matzel Mumford.  The unions, and the 
municipalities and the school districts.  New Jersey is sick, it 
needs a miracle.  Unfortunately I do not see it coming.

We are economically not viable, to think otherwise is to fool 
yourself.  No matter what you reveal on the air or in print or 
online, if you think they are worried about what any of us have to 
say, your fooling yourself.

The masses have been numbed, and they are not gonna wake up anytime 
soon, because they can rent a U Haul and relocate elsewhere more 
easily.

"Only the fool thinks they are important to the King, and they are 
right, becasue they are the King's fool!"

KB

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "radio881gal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Wouldn't that be something if Springsteen's 'Radio Nowhere' was 
about 
> the jettisoning of Asbury Radio? When I listen to it I hear a lot 
of 
> potential veins, but I'm still not sure about how I feel about the 
> ones that were actually tapped.
>Alas, the song seems to be more about the lack of musical 
> identity, than community radio, per se. We did play local musicians 
> though, so maybe...
>I often did wonder if Bruce ever knew about Asbury Radio - we 
were 
> the only radio show about Asbury Park, after all. I used to make a 
> joke about the fact that I did turn down a Springsteen interview, 
> back in the early 70's, in favor of one with Robert Klein. 
> (Obviously, I was very young!) I invented this whole thing about 
how 
> Bruce wouldn't visit Asbury Radio because he was still punishing 
me. 
> Don't think anyone fell for that one.
> I used to seriously worry that Bruce ignored us because he 
> thought the show, by examining the redevelopment process in depth, 
> was somehow undermining the quest of redevelopment. (With the 
> exception of the Esperanza's original name, "The Rising", can you 
> think of a time Bruce interferred in the plans?) This was because 
our 
> critics often grouped the show into the 'they're against 
> redevelopment' label. The idea was absurd. How could anyone be 
> opposed to redeveloping a barren, blighted landscape on its face? 
> However, the devil, as we know now,was in the details. 
>It's nearly a year since we were forced off the air and I wonder 
> if we could've even had a show if we were to have started today. 
> There's too much riding on the waterfront's success. How would 
> Cherokee Investments, with its $30 million in the kitty, (It is a 
50% 
> partner in Asbury Partners) react? 
> There is almost a collective holding of breath out there right 
> now. The notion being that if anyone of us exhales the bubble may 
> deflate even more. One must smile continously and recite market 
comps 
> while doing so. We must all drink the Kool-Aid. The stakes are too 
> high not to. 
>I've always felt that Asbury was a strange little microcosm of 
> what's going on nationally. Have you noticed how the 
word 'politics' 
> has replaced 'communism' in our 'emphasis vernacular'? I swear sex 
> and politics are the two biggest taboos of this century. Sex is 
> imperative to human life and politics, well, Jesus Christ was 
> political, for...
>So what does Bruce think of all this? I think we're all clear on 
> where he comes down about sex, actually. And, he's never really 
> choked on political issues regionally. But how does he react to the 
> closing of the WB? And the Pony, did someone say it's next?
>Here's what I overheard about the closing of the WB: the powers 
> that be who have mucho buckoh's riding on the sale of these 
> waterfront condos want Bruce and his gritty following out of 
Asbury. 
> They want to change the image and the message, and attract people 
who 
> are sufficiently entwined in the system to afford to i

[AsburyPark] Re: "Radio Nowhere"

[Hinge]

"Here's what I overheard about the closing of the WB: the powers
that be who have mucho buckoh's riding on the sale of these
waterfront condos want Bruce and his gritty following out of Asbury.
They want to change the image and the message, and attract people who
are sufficiently entwined in the system to afford to invest here."

For one, that will mean people like me will move out of Asbury Park and never 
look back.
I have absolutely zero interest in patronizing Fishman and companies vision of 
this city. 
Music is literally my life. I grew up in the clubs of Asbury and Long Branch, 
and from that 
experience I created a career for myself that took me around the world. Once 
during those 
travels, I was in a city in Germany during a recent Worlds Fair, at which I was 
working at 
the European MTV music awards. I was wandering around the fair wearing my 
Vaccaro 
Guitars tee shirt, which proudly displays the name Asbury Park. A group of 
European 
women came up to me and asked about my shirt, then asked if I ever met Bruce (I 
had) or 
Bon Jovi (him too) and if they could buy my shirt. No kidding! Unfortunately 
for them, I 
didn't feel like walking around the Worlds Fair shirtless, so I declined. 
That's an example of 
the far reaching impact that Asbury Park once had.
By taking away the music venues that are the breeding grounds of so many great 
musicians, AP Partners are destroying something beautiful...but they don't 
care. Money is 
their passion, not music and the people that make it. 
I feel fortunate that I work at The Saint. At least our musical home isn't 
threatened (yet) 
but it truly saddens me that the opportunities for original music to flourish 
are rapidly 
disappearing.
So what will Asbury Park become? Less racially diverse, less interesting, less 
vital. Will it 
become The OC, Laguna Beach, The Hills? Pier Village?

See you in Paris Maureen :)




--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "radio881gal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Wouldn't that be something if Springsteen's 'Radio Nowhere' was about 
> the jettisoning of Asbury Radio? When I listen to it I hear a lot of 
> potential veins, but I'm still not sure about how I feel about the 
> ones that were actually tapped.
>Alas, the song seems to be more about the lack of musical 
> identity, than community radio, per se. We did play local musicians 
> though, so maybe...
>I often did wonder if Bruce ever knew about Asbury Radio - we were 
> the only radio show about Asbury Park, after all. I used to make a 
> joke about the fact that I did turn down a Springsteen interview, 
> back in the early 70's, in favor of one with Robert Klein. 
> (Obviously, I was very young!) I invented this whole thing about how 
> Bruce wouldn't visit Asbury Radio because he was still punishing me. 
> Don't think anyone fell for that one.
> I used to seriously worry that Bruce ignored us because he 
> thought the show, by examining the redevelopment process in depth, 
> was somehow undermining the quest of redevelopment. (With the 
> exception of the Esperanza's original name, "The Rising", can you 
> think of a time Bruce interferred in the plans?) This was because our 
> critics often grouped the show into the 'they're against 
> redevelopment' label. The idea was absurd. How could anyone be 
> opposed to redeveloping a barren, blighted landscape on its face? 
> However, the devil, as we know now,was in the details. 
>It's nearly a year since we were forced off the air and I wonder 
> if we could've even had a show if we were to have started today. 
> There's too much riding on the waterfront's success. How would 
> Cherokee Investments, with its $30 million in the kitty, (It is a 50% 
> partner in Asbury Partners) react? 
> There is almost a collective holding of breath out there right 
> now. The notion being that if anyone of us exhales the bubble may 
> deflate even more. One must smile continously and recite market comps 
> while doing so. We must all drink the Kool-Aid. The stakes are too 
> high not to. 
>I've always felt that Asbury was a strange little microcosm of 
> what's going on nationally. Have you noticed how the word 'politics' 
> has replaced 'communism' in our 'emphasis vernacular'? I swear sex 
> and politics are the two biggest taboos of this century. Sex is 
> imperative to human life and politics, well, Jesus Christ was 
> political, for...
>So what does Bruce think of all this? I think we're all clear on 
> where he comes down about sex, actually. And, he's never really 
> choked on political issues regionally. But how does he react to the 
> closing of the WB? And the Pony, did someone say it's next?
>Here's what I overheard about the closing of the WB: the powers 
> that be who have mucho buckoh's riding on the sale of these 
> waterfront condos want Bruce and his gritty following out of Asbury. 
> They want to change the image and the message, and attract people who 
> are sufficiently entwined in th

[AsburyPark] Re: "Radio Nowhere"

[radio881gal]

Wouldn't that be something if Springsteen's 'Radio Nowhere' was about 
the jettisoning of Asbury Radio? When I listen to it I hear a lot of 
potential veins, but I'm still not sure about how I feel about the 
ones that were actually tapped.
   Alas, the song seems to be more about the lack of musical 
identity, than community radio, per se. We did play local musicians 
though, so maybe...
   I often did wonder if Bruce ever knew about Asbury Radio - we were 
the only radio show about Asbury Park, after all. I used to make a 
joke about the fact that I did turn down a Springsteen interview, 
back in the early 70's, in favor of one with Robert Klein. 
(Obviously, I was very young!) I invented this whole thing about how 
Bruce wouldn't visit Asbury Radio because he was still punishing me. 
Don't think anyone fell for that one.
I used to seriously worry that Bruce ignored us because he 
thought the show, by examining the redevelopment process in depth, 
was somehow undermining the quest of redevelopment. (With the 
exception of the Esperanza's original name, "The Rising", can you 
think of a time Bruce interferred in the plans?) This was because our 
critics often grouped the show into the 'they're against 
redevelopment' label. The idea was absurd. How could anyone be 
opposed to redeveloping a barren, blighted landscape on its face? 
However, the devil, as we know now,was in the details. 
   It's nearly a year since we were forced off the air and I wonder 
if we could've even had a show if we were to have started today. 
There's too much riding on the waterfront's success. How would 
Cherokee Investments, with its $30 million in the kitty, (It is a 50% 
partner in Asbury Partners) react? 
There is almost a collective holding of breath out there right 
now. The notion being that if anyone of us exhales the bubble may 
deflate even more. One must smile continously and recite market comps 
while doing so. We must all drink the Kool-Aid. The stakes are too 
high not to. 
   I've always felt that Asbury was a strange little microcosm of 
what's going on nationally. Have you noticed how the word 'politics' 
has replaced 'communism' in our 'emphasis vernacular'? I swear sex 
and politics are the two biggest taboos of this century. Sex is 
imperative to human life and politics, well, Jesus Christ was 
political, for...
   So what does Bruce think of all this? I think we're all clear on 
where he comes down about sex, actually. And, he's never really 
choked on political issues regionally. But how does he react to the 
closing of the WB? And the Pony, did someone say it's next?
   Here's what I overheard about the closing of the WB: the powers 
that be who have mucho buckoh's riding on the sale of these 
waterfront condos want Bruce and his gritty following out of Asbury. 
They want to change the image and the message, and attract people who 
are sufficiently entwined in the system to afford to invest here. 
You know the problem with that? You got it. We'd reduce AP to just 
another overpriced bedroom community by the sea, thus killing the 
goose that laid the egg that bore the glory days. 
   But maybe not. Maybe they are right. History, ambiguity, it's 
messy. We like it clean these days. No gray - just black and white, 
and lots of antiseptic. 
  Well, what does someone else think?  
Maureen 

AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "rook782" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Do you think Springstein is a member of Asbury Yahoo Groups?
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dapawprint"  
wrote:
> >
> > I just read that one of Bruce Springsteen's new songs is 
> titled "Radio 
> > Nowhere"  does anyone know if this song relates to Asbury Radio?"
> >
>




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Notes from this weekends visit and Thank you Wonderbar!

[Hinge]

Here's my prediction. They'll try and re-open it as some kind of crap upscale 
venue with a 
velvet rope and large bouncers with earpieces. Sort of like the pretentious 
place at Pier 
Village. The rich folks need a place to play. 
Larry Fishman sucks.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 10/1/2007 9:20:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> -...Why was Gary Mottola standing there talking to Tony  Pelligrosi,
> 
> Casue Tony is a great promoter...and I saw him last week or  2 ago at
> Sawa at Pier Village doing some kareoke
> 
> Maybe Gary was  looking for some ideas or giving tony the keys to CH
> 
> 
> And what does all this in the Press mean? 
> 
> "The bar is closing, but the door isn't shut for the final  chapter."
> 
> Wait, there's more.
> 
> "We are trying to make this area a  cool, neat place to be," says Larry 
> Fishman, the chief operating officer for  Asbury Partners. "And I think the 
> Wonder 
> Bar is a cool, neat place."  
> 
> "The place was always a cornerstone. It'd be a shame to close it  down." 
> 
> Tonight the Wonder Bar closes its doors for good. Or so they  say.
> 
>  
> _Click  here: APP.COM - WONDER BAR'S LAST CALL | Asbury Park Press Online_ 
> (http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070930/SPORTS/70930008/1022/
NEWS
> )  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [AsburyPark] Notes from this weekends visit and Thank you Wonderbar!

[Debbie DeLisa]

   I have a lot of wonderful memories from this weekend, but I think the most touching was the flowers I received on Friday from the "Boardwalk Kitties" thanking me for being there for them.  I had no idea who they were from  until Glenn came in and asked me if I had gotten my flowers.  What a thoughtful gesture Glenn---You are a great person and we will  be looking forward to seeing you in December!  


From: "dapawprint" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comTo: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSubject: [AsburyPark] Notes from this weekends visit and Thank you Wonderbar!Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 00:45:57 -




I hope that you all had the chance to stop by the Wonderbar and wish Debbie and Lance well. The crowds were amazing, both last night and today. It's still going strong, if you haven't been there yet, act quickly!As usual, I walked miles and miles and miles taking pictures of the new, the old and the changing. Some things that I noted:- Yes, the Sunset Ave. pavilion is being cleaned out. There are several open holes in the second floor and two dumpsters full of memories on Ocean Ave.- Madison Marquette had painters in today spiffing up their offices on the Boardwalk.- A renovation of some sort is underway at the former Red Fusion restaurant.I walked the perimeter of Deal lake today. I had to wonder why the Asbury Park side of the lake was a pretty safe walk, but the sink holes on the Deal side were so 
unattended? I made it back safe though!I met two gentlemen at Sunset and Ocean early this afternoon. They saw my camera and asked if I had captured any interesting pictures. I replied that I had been taking pictures of the geese on Sunset Lake. We got into a very nice conversation, I hope their remaining years are as enjoyable as possible.On my way back to The Empress, I stopped by The Berkeley Oceanfront Hotel (New Name) and approached the front desk. I politely asked if I could take a few pictures of their newly renovated lobby. The reply was less than polite. I was asked WHY I would want such a picture (my reply was "due to the renovation") and I was told that "No one is here to give you permission, and I am certain that it will be a problem." Then, I was asked to leave. I left.I was also here to get a few additional 
pictures of the Metropolitan Hotel before it's demise. There is working electricity in the north, third floor! I saw a light shining in there. R.I.P. Metropolitan. If you go to get your own pictures, walk around the back. There is a portion of the "ceiling" that has collapsed and a shirt sleeve is dangling from the hole. Other "photographers" and I wondered if it had remains in it!I then stopped for lunch/dinner at Old Man Rafferty's. The renovation of that building is astounding. Expert care was taken in that effort. The staff is exceptionally friendly, the food is excellent. A very nice experience.Back to the Boardwalk... Although I agree that the work on the Casino seems slow, I did notice that a new tile roof is being actively assembled on the Heating Plant. I also saw a few changes in the Carousel building (since late 
July) as well.Additionally, from my room at the Empress, I can see that some work has been done in the second floor of the First Avenue pavilion.The Empress is also doing work, I noticed that the A/C enclosures and the Hotel entrance (which were looking a bit shabby) are being replaced and cleaned up.I have immensely enjoyed my visits this year and I wish all of you the best! I'll be back again; it's looking like December now. I would love to see "Scrooge" at The Paramount!Oh, and Maureen... I learned some new things about you! Kudos for being mentioned in the Foreward of Helen Pike's book (Frank D as well)... and also for posing for the Baronet mural (I am sorry they painted it over.)Be well!Glenn






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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Notes from this weekends visit and Thank you Wonderbar!

[MMMAPNJ]

 
In a message dated 10/1/2007 9:20:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

-...Why was Gary Mottola standing there talking to Tony  Pelligrosi,

Casue Tony is a great promoter...and I saw him last week or  2 ago at
Sawa at Pier Village doing some kareoke

Maybe Gary was  looking for some ideas or giving tony the keys to CH


And what does all this in the Press mean? 

"The bar is closing, but the door isn't shut for the final  chapter."

Wait, there's more.

"We are trying to make this area a  cool, neat place to be," says Larry 
Fishman, the chief operating officer for  Asbury Partners. "And I think the 
Wonder 
Bar is a cool, neat place."  

"The place was always a cornerstone. It'd be a shame to close it  down." 

Tonight the Wonder Bar closes its doors for good. Or so they  say.

 
_Click  here: APP.COM - WONDER BAR'S LAST CALL | Asbury Park Press Online_ 
(http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070930/SPORTS/70930008/1022/NEWS
)  
 





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[AsburyPark] Re: Notes from this weekends visit and Thank you Wonderbar!

[oakdorf]

-...Why was Gary Mottola standing there talking to Tony Pelligrosi,

Casue Tony is a great promoter...and I saw him last week or 2 ago at
Sawa at Pier Village doing some kareoke

Maybe Gary was looking for some ideas or giving tony the keys to CH



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Is there any way to remove Asbury Partners from Asbury?

[Jim]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "2fine4u" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I love you too!
> When I can't afford travel, I watch the Travel Channel and what draws 
> travelers to a specific place.  Is it the mountains?  Cathedrals? 
> Hotels?  NO!  It's the uniqueness of say, Paris, with its' Eiffel
> Tower!  Italy for its' Leaning Tower!  Asbury Park, for its'
> Carousel/Palace Amusements/Madam Marie/Convention Hall or Bradley
> himself, for the historic City HE founded!  
> 
> What is New Orleans known for?  Mardi Gras/French Quarter/French
> cuisine/Emeril and BAM!  Not to mention Louisiana Porch Puppies, AKA
> Alligators! New York!  Would anyone tear down Lady Liberty?  Radio
> City?  The Plaza or anything on 5th Ave.?  NO!  
> 
> I have to ask, why oh why would anyone want to tear down Coney Island?
>  There would be no reason to go to Brooklyn, other than Juniors! 
> Hinge, I know you've traveled all over.  Me too!  I've been under the
> arches in St. Louis, crazy places, like Charlotte, Long Beach, LA, San
> Diego and Anaheim, Ca.  
> 
> Been to the Alamo, Empire State Bldg., Radio City, Montreal and took
> the tour, eaten in Vieux Montreal, Notre Dame Cathedral, paddlewheeled
> up and down the Mississippi, in New Orleans and St. Louis, been to
> Greek-Town in Detroit, parts of the Underground Railroad, been
> everywhere in NJ, except Lucy the Elephant in Margate.  
> 
> Been to Europe and seeing the outline of the North American continent
> on the way back, wept, because there's no place like the USA!
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge"  wrote:
> >
> > Sharon wrote this the other day;
> > "Preservation of what
> > gives Asbury Park, its' uniqueness, is of little value to those in the
> > real estate industry. Everything old, is disposable, for the almighty
> > dollar! Forget history, throw the historian out with the bathwater!"
> > Well put Sharon!
>~~~

Yes it was Sharon.It will also bring some Smiling faces & Jobs to A/P alot more 
than know.For Everybody.

James Grabe
Patriot Officer
Veterans Alliance
Asbury Park

  
James Grabe



 
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[AsburyPark] "A Place to keep your Stuff while you go out and get more Stuff"

[Mario]

Richard Virgilio's "B Plot" in the current issue of the Coaster is a
great call for volunteerism in our city, and he lists several worthy
charities. Click here: The Coaster » Blog Archive » The B Plot


In addition, from Detective Connie Breech:

"Hi Everyone! As some of you may know, Georgies is having a Breast
Cancer benefit on October 5, 2007. There will be lots of great groups,
and I will be working the Chinese auction. If anyone would like to
donate an item for us to raffle off that would be awesome, gift basket
or cards or anything cool is welcome. Please email me or give me a call
if you're interested: 732-312-7359. I will be donating 4 tickets to the
Yankees in 2008. We also have several gift cards from local restaurants.
Thanks so much in helping with this cause."

If anyone never heard George Carlin's 1980 routine on "Stuff," you can
see and hear it here: Click here: George Carlin - Stuff
  .

It might send you truckin' on over to Connie or Habitat's ReStore with
some of your stuff.

MMM

[AsburyPark] Re: Trade J -

[rook782]

I think people should protest in front of the Fishmans' houses.  That 
might get them to pick up the pace.  


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>
> That being said, is there no way to get Fishman and Company out of 
AP, let's say ala the 
> SUFA way?
> 



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Is there any way to remove Asbury Partners from Asbury?

[2fine4u]

I love you too!
When I can't afford travel, I watch the Travel Channel and what draws 
travelers to a specific place.  Is it the mountains?  Cathedrals? 
Hotels?  NO!  It's the uniqueness of say, Paris, with its' Eiffel
Tower!  Italy for its' Leaning Tower!  Asbury Park, for its'
Carousel/Palace Amusements/Madam Marie/Convention Hall or Bradley
himself, for the historic City HE founded!  

What is New Orleans known for?  Mardi Gras/French Quarter/French
cuisine/Emeril and BAM!  Not to mention Louisiana Porch Puppies, AKA
Alligators! New York!  Would anyone tear down Lady Liberty?  Radio
City?  The Plaza or anything on 5th Ave.?  NO!  

I have to ask, why oh why would anyone want to tear down Coney Island?
 There would be no reason to go to Brooklyn, other than Juniors! 
Hinge, I know you've traveled all over.  Me too!  I've been under the
arches in St. Louis, crazy places, like Charlotte, Long Beach, LA, San
Diego and Anaheim, Ca.  

Been to the Alamo, Empire State Bldg., Radio City, Montreal and took
the tour, eaten in Vieux Montreal, Notre Dame Cathedral, paddlewheeled
up and down the Mississippi, in New Orleans and St. Louis, been to
Greek-Town in Detroit, parts of the Underground Railroad, been
everywhere in NJ, except Lucy the Elephant in Margate.  

Been to Europe and seeing the outline of the North American continent
on the way back, wept, because there's no place like the USA!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sharon wrote this the other day;
> "Preservation of what
> gives Asbury Park, its' uniqueness, is of little value to those in the
> real estate industry. Everything old, is disposable, for the almighty
> dollar! Forget history, throw the historian out with the bathwater!"
> Well put Sharon!




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Notes from this weekends visit and Thank you Wonderbar!

[radio881gal]

Glenn -
It was charming to meet you!!
Too bad you can't be in town more often.
As for Helen's book (blush!).
Hugs,
Maureen
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dapawprint" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> I hope that you all had the chance to stop by the Wonderbar and 
wish 
> Debbie and Lance well.  The crowds were amazing, both last night 
and 
> today.  It's still going strong, if you haven't been there yet, act 
> quickly!
> 
> As usual, I walked miles and miles and miles taking pictures of the 
> new, the old and the changing.  Some things that I noted:
> 
> - Yes, the Sunset Ave. pavilion is being cleaned out.  There are 
> several open holes in the second floor and two dumpsters full of 
> memories on Ocean Ave.
> 
> - Madison Marquette had painters in today spiffing up their offices 
> on the Boardwalk.
> 
> - A renovation of some sort is underway at the former Red Fusion 
> restaurant.
> 
> I walked the perimeter of Deal lake today.  I had to wonder why the 
> Asbury Park side of the lake was a pretty safe walk, but the sink 
> holes on the Deal side were so unattended?  I made it back safe 
> though!
> 
> I met two gentlemen at Sunset and Ocean early this afternoon.  They 
> saw my camera and asked if I had captured any interesting 
pictures.  
> I replied that I had been taking pictures of the geese on Sunset 
> Lake.  We got into a very nice conversation, I hope their remaining 
> years are as enjoyable as possible.
> 
> On my way back to The Empress, I stopped by The Berkeley Oceanfront 
> Hotel (New Name) and approached the front desk.  I politely asked 
if 
> I could take a few pictures of their newly renovated lobby.  The 
> reply was less than polite.  I was asked WHY I would want such a 
> picture (my reply was "due to the renovation") and I was told 
> that "No one is here to give you permission, and I am certain that 
> it will be a problem."  Then, I was asked to leave.  I left.
> 
> I was also here to get a few additional pictures of the 
Metropolitan 
> Hotel before it's demise.  There is working electricity in the 
> north, third floor!  I saw a light shining in there.  R.I.P. 
> Metropolitan.  If you go to get your own pictures, walk around the 
> back.  There is a portion of the "ceiling" that has collapsed and a 
> shirt sleeve is dangling from the hole.  Other "photographers" and 
I 
> wondered if it had remains in it!
> 
> I then stopped for lunch/dinner at Old Man Rafferty's.  The 
> renovation of that building is astounding.  Expert care was taken 
in 
> that effort.  The staff is exceptionally friendly, the food is 
> excellent.  A very nice experience.
> 
> Back to the Boardwalk...  Although I agree that the work on the 
> Casino seems slow, I did notice that a new tile roof is being 
> actively assembled on the Heating Plant.  I also saw a few changes 
> in the Carousel building (since late July) as well.
> 
> Additionally, from my room at the Empress, I can see that some work 
> has been done in the second floor of the First Avenue pavilion.
> 
> The Empress is also doing work, I noticed that the A/C enclosures 
> and the Hotel entrance (which were looking a bit shabby) are being 
> replaced and cleaned up.
> 
> I have immensely enjoyed my visits this year and I wish all of you 
> the best!  I'll be back again; it's looking like December now.  I 
> would love to see "Scrooge" at The Paramount!
> 
> Oh, and Maureen... I learned some new things about you!  Kudos for 
> being mentioned in the Foreward of Helen Pike's book  (Frank D as 
> well)... and also for posing for the Baronet mural (I am sorry they 
> painted it over.)
> 
> 
> Be well!
> 
> Glenn
>




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Notes from this weekends visit and Thank you Wonderbar!

[radio881gal]

Thought I posted something about this on Asbury Radio, but it's not 
showing up yet.
(This is opinion, by the way.)

Last night of the Wonder Bar:
Why was Gary Mottola standing there talking to Tony Pelligrosi, 
actually at the Wonder Bar for hours at its farewell party, like he 
wasn't the cause of the farewell.
And Terry Reidy, the city manager, tells Werner Baumgartner, the A.P. 
historian, that's the problem with you – you just can't seem to live 
in the moment. I laughed hysterically. Isn't relating to the past an 
occupational trait among historians?
I'll have to find the copy I wrote for the site. I put it somewhere.

Maureen - Sorry, I missed Hinge and Sharon!!! Great meeting Glenn!!

 
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dapawprint" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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>
> Hey Sharon,  I went back to the WB last night and Debbie told me 
> that I had just missed you!  I did get to see Werner and Maureen; a 
> very nice evening indeed.  Hinge, take care of that cold!  I'll be 
> in A.P. until tomorrow and will be back at the end of November for 
> the Christmas festivities at the Paramount!
> 
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "2fine4u"  wrote:
> >
> > Glenn and Hinge:
> > I missed the BOTH of you!  Should have synchronized my coming! 
> > Debbie, told me I had just missed you, Hinge!  Said you took the 
> dog,
> > home!  The only people I knew beside Debbie, was Henry and Vince;
> > that's Henry Vaccaro and Vince Gifford.  I didn't get there, until
> > about 6:20 PM, couldn't find a place to park, then went inside the
> > hole in the fence and parked out behind the WonderBar!  I only 
> went to
> > support Debbie and Lance, had my 2 obligatory drinks, 2 scotches,
> > lolligagged with Vince, who knows me through my Hugh McCluskey 
> days,
> > when I was SUPPOSED to be retired and someone thought I needed
> > something to do!  As Vince said, that job convinced me, to STAY
> > retired.  In everything a lesson, is learned.  Anyway, there was a
> > pretty lively crowd, people with pets, interesting doggies, etc.  
I
> > couldn't take the loud music and left!  Will try to meet up with 
> the
> > group, hopefully before Xmas.  Say when!  Great posts, from both 
> of you.
> > 
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Great post. Next time you are in the city i'd like to go on a 
> photo
> > expedition with you.
> > > I was at the Wonderbar tonight too, and it left me feeling very 
> sad.
> > > As I walked back home I couldn't help but think how slow the so
> > called redevelopment 
> > > actually is in our city.
> > > Take the Esperanza for example. It's been a year and 4 months 
> since
> > C-8  was 
> > > demolished, and they are just barely getting the foundation 
> completed.
> > > When I lived in North Jersey, I saw several similar projects
> > completed in the same amount 
> > > of time.
> > > I also heard rumblings of problems between Asbury Partners and 
MM
> > this evening.
> > > Personally, I think it's time to kick Asbury Partners to the 
curb
> > and halt their lame 
> > > redevelopment efforts and wholesale destruction of our once
> > beautiful oceanfront.
> > > Think about those ridiculous AP Partner signs telling us about
> > transforming the city into 
> > > the jewel of the jersey shore, at no cost to the 
taxpayers...blah
> > blah blah.
> > > Can't this city find a way to stand up to Asbury Partners and 
get
> > them out of here?
> > > 
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dapawprint"  
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I hope that you all had the chance to stop by the Wonderbar 
> and wish 
> > > > Debbie and Lance well.  The crowds were amazing, both last 
> night and 
> > > > today.  It's still going strong, if you haven't been there 
> yet, act 
> > > > quickly!
> > > > 
> > > > As usual, I walked miles and miles and miles taking pictures 
> of the 
> > > > new, the old and the changing.  Some things that I noted:
> > > > 
> > > > - Yes, the Sunset Ave. pavilion is being cleaned out.  There 
> are 
> > > > several open holes in the second floor and two dumpsters full 
> of 
> > > > memories on Ocean Ave.
> > > >
> >
>




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Notes from this weekends visit and Thank you Wonderbar!

[2fine4u]

Seriously,
If we're all going to be around AP for the Holidays, we should
synchronize telephone calls or privately email each other, meet up and
form a circle, until we meet again, sort of like "Happy Trails" and
all that.  Hinge, if you ever saw a Roy Rogers movie, you know what I
mean.  Mario, was supposed to come out, but doesn't go for that music.
 I realized that I can't go for it anymore and giggled at how loud it
was.  After 2 drinks, you don't care!  I had to go to give up the 10
bucks for the animals anyway, to support Debbie and Lance.  That's
what I wanted to sing, Happy Trails and all, 'til we meet again! 
She's a lovely girl and she and Lance make a handsome pair.  They have
magic, which is why a green building, with a wierd looking man-boy,
candy-striped awnings and twinkly lights, WORK!

For me, it's like stepping into Never Land!  When you exit, it's the
same old, same old!  Hinge:  Hot tea with plenty of lemon & honey! 
Chicken soup, Jell-o and crackers, lots of fluids!  Feed a cold, as
they say!  Hope you feel better!  Glenn, sorry I missed you!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dapawprint" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hey Sharon,  I went back to the WB last night and Debbie told me 
> that I had just missed you!  I did get to see Werner and Maureen; a 
> very nice evening indeed.  Hinge, take care of that cold!  I'll be 
> in A.P. until tomorrow and will be back at the end of November for 
> the Christmas festivities at the Paramount!
> 
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "2fine4u"  wrote:
> >
> > Glenn and Hinge:
> > I missed the BOTH of you!  



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: What if Trader Joe's....

[Gary Wien]

1. yes
2. probably (honestly don't know too much of that area, if it was  
easy to get to, sure)

3. yes
4. no
5. under 10 miles  -- after that I don't care how cheap the wine is :)


On Oct 1, 2007, at 4:42 PM, Hinge wrote:




Would you shop at Trader Joes if:

1. It were to open in the redvelopment zone? - Definitely. I could  
walk to it


2. Open on the "other side" of the tracks - say Springwood Ave? - Sure

3. Open in Long Branch - in the redvelopment zone / Ocean Ave? -  
Remotely possible


4. Toms River? - Absolutely never. I can't stand all the strip malls

5. How far would you travel to go to TJs? - 10 miles

[AsburyPark] Re: Trade J -

[Hinge]

Damn. Not the answer I was hoping for. As Dr. Smith once said, "We're doomed."

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge"  wrote:
> >
> > That being said, is there no way to get Fishman and Company out of
> AP, let's say ala the 
> > SUFA way?
> >
> 
> Dead presidents would be the fastest, followed in order by the FBI and
>  then an act of God.
>




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Trade J -

[dfsavgny]

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> 
> Then there is the question  - would that location be considered 
> seasonal - what if they fill in a gap say from Monmouth Mall to Red 
> Bank along Rt 35? Traffic 24 hours/day, easy to get to etc etc.
>

took a look at the locations in satellite pics. Yeah, Rte 35, which
last year was my first thought would work, but I still bet it would be
West. I am thinking more Rte 66 and west. Right off GSP, near outlet mall.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Trade J -

[dfsavgny]

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>
> That being said, is there no way to get Fishman and Company out of
AP, let's say ala the 
> SUFA way?
>

Dead presidents would be the fastest, followed in order by the FBI and
 then an act of God.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Trade J -

[Hinge]

That being said, is there no way to get Fishman and Company out of AP, let's 
say ala the 
SUFA way?

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It's in "the zone".
> 
> 
> While u don't (may not) want to go to bed with Larry, sometimes u have 
> to get what u want.Unless...
> 
> Then there is the question  - would that location be considered 
> seasonal - what if they fill in a gap say from Monmouth Mall to Red 
> Bank along Rt 35? Traffic 24 hours/day, easy to get to etc etc.
>




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Trade J -

[dfsavgny]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> TJ's isn't going to come or 4 or 5 people. They'll need a palce to 
> park, because there isn't enough residential in the Dtown to support it 
> with no EASY parking.
>

Agreed there is no current place to park, but the Westfield location
certainly does not have great parking. The closest lot is pay and the
free one is jammed. The weekends Downtown are murder.

If I were TJ's and wanted to go in Monmouth, this latitude would be
right, but I would probably go in further west. I don't know most of
there other locations so I assume they are not all urban-like.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Trade J -

[oakdorf]

It's in "the zone".


While u don't (may not) want to go to bed with Larry, sometimes u have 
to get what u want.Unless...

Then there is the question  - would that location be considered 
seasonal - what if they fill in a gap say from Monmouth Mall to Red 
Bank along Rt 35? Traffic 24 hours/day, easy to get to etc etc.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: What if Trader Joe's....

[dfsavgny]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Would you shop at Trader Joes if:
> 
> 1. It were to open in the redvelopment zone?
> 
> 2. Open on the "other side" of the tracks - say Springwood Ave?
> 
> 3. Open in Long Branch - in the redvelopment zone / Ocean Ave?
> 
> 4. Toms River?
> 
> 5. How far would you travel to go to TJs?
>

As it stands now you typically have to travel quite a distance to go
to TJ's since they are limited in number and geographically dispersed.

There are 6 existing locations in NJ with a 7th coming in Edgewater.
Only one is in south NJ (very south) near Trenton. Westfieled is the
closest to NY and the one to me and it takes at least 1/2 hour or more
to get there. The rest are generally northern NJ. mid and southern NJ
seem a natural and I am sure they are working on it. When it comes to
NY, there are 5 on LI, one in Queens and one in Manhattan. I thought
there was talk of one opening in Brooklyn. There are several in
Westchester. So for many, it is quite a trip to go to TJ's. And people
go. I go for the wine. If it were nearer, I would go for more. TJ's is
a draw. They could go anyplace around Monmouth and be a draw. I cannot
imagine them not serving Monmouth. Most likely they will go to
Freehold by Rte 9 if I had to guess. I really don't know what
criterion they exactly look at.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Trade J -

[Hinge]

What's that empty space across from the Met Hotel called?
The Triad?
That would be a great location. You could easily fit the store and the parking 
right there.
Plus, it could help block my view of Wesley Grove.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> ...Trader Joe's appeals to the lifestyle of its customers, who tend to 
> be affluent and educated. 
> 
> "affluent and educated"
> 
> So you see, it takes alot of talking in busness development to get it. 
> They can sit back and wait for more progress.They need 10-12,000 sq ft 
> of which there is really only ONE ot TWO locations today that would 
> work and the tenants would have to move or let me be creative. Then you 
> have to figure out where people would park.
> 
> TJ's isn't going to come or 4 or 5 people. They'll need a palce to 
> park, because there isn't enough residential in the Dtown to support it 
> with no EASY parking.
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[AsburyPark] Trade J -

[oakdorf]

...Trader Joe's appeals to the lifestyle of its customers, who tend to 
be affluent and educated. 

"affluent and educated"

So you see, it takes alot of talking in busness development to get it. 
They can sit back and wait for more progress.They need 10-12,000 sq ft 
of which there is really only ONE ot TWO locations today that would 
work and the tenants would have to move or let me be creative. Then you 
have to figure out where people would park.

TJ's isn't going to come or 4 or 5 people. They'll need a palce to 
park, because there isn't enough residential in the Dtown to support it 
with no EASY parking. 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: What if Trader Joe's....

[Hinge]

 Would you shop at Trader Joes if:
 
1. It were to open in the redvelopment zone? - Definitely. I could walk to it

2. Open on the "other side" of the tracks - say Springwood Ave? - Sure

3. Open in Long Branch - in the redvelopment zone / Ocean Ave? - Remotely 
possible
 
4. Toms River? - Absolutely never. I can't stand all the strip malls

5. How far would you travel to go to TJs? - 10 miles 





 
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[AsburyPark] What if Trader Joe's....

[oakdorf]

Would you shop at Trader Joes if:

1. It were to open in the redvelopment zone?

2. Open on the "other side" of the tracks - say Springwood Ave?

3. Open in Long Branch - in the redvelopment zone / Ocean Ave?

4. Toms River?

5. How far would you travel to go to TJs?



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Limbaugh Catches Pallone In Lie

[rook782]

I just started laughing out loud at my desk.  



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> Hay, what ever happened to the politics only message board?
> Did it get a little boring over there with "MMM"
> (Machinegun Message Mario)
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Oh how I love this! Oh how sweet this is!  Proof of how dumb 
Pallone 
> is.
> > 
> > First watch Pallone:
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu3tpV6dTQY
> > 
> > 
> > Now watch Rush (8 minutes, but worth it):
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm84gOXkZaY
> >
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury To lose a Supermarket

[Hinge]

Absolutely. Dan has brought this up many times. There may be a problem though. 
Perhaps 
Trader Joe's is a bit hesitant to open a store in Asbury yet because of the bad 
public 
perception that the city still has to deal with.
I just checked the Trader Joe's website and noticed that they are opening a 
store in the 
place where i lived before moving to AP, Edgewater. Damn...

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Trader Joe's would be an amazing addition to the area. Cheap wine and 
> cheese, how can you beat it. Would also like to see a Whole Foods 
> closer to Asbury. Middletown is too far. 
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson  
> wrote:
> >
> > Shame, for me it was easy to stop and pick up milk and the tri city 
> news on my way.  Someone call trader joes
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message 
> > From: oakdorf 
> > To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 2:15:49 PM
> > Subject: [AsburyPark] Asbury To lose a Supermarket
> > 
> > NOt techically Asbury, but the closet to AP and where many go. 
> Foodtown 
> > of Wanamassa, where my footown soda once cost 16 cents and where 
> you 
> > can still go today and look at the first computerized cash 
> registers 
> > (close anyway).
> > 
> > Wegman's, Shoprite...
> > 
> > and themselves.
> > 
> > Had to stop there to get meat for meatballs (cuase I forgot to got 
> to 
> > wegmans).
> > 
> > $3.89 lb.
> > 
> > I think weggys was $1.99. 
> > 
> > For those who didn't or couldn't make the truip to Weggys or 
> Shoprite -
> > it's a loss. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
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> __
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury To lose a Supermarket

[Joe Jackson]

Trader Joe's would be an amazing addition to the area. Cheap wine and 
cheese, how can you beat it. Would also like to see a Whole Foods 
closer to Asbury. Middletown is too far. 

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> Shame, for me it was easy to stop and pick up milk and the tri city 
news on my way.  Someone call trader joes
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: oakdorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 2:15:49 PM
> Subject: [AsburyPark] Asbury To lose a Supermarket
> 
> NOt techically Asbury, but the closet to AP and where many go. 
Foodtown 
> of Wanamassa, where my footown soda once cost 16 cents and where 
you 
> can still go today and look at the first computerized cash 
registers 
> (close anyway).
> 
> Wegman's, Shoprite...
> 
> and themselves.
> 
> Had to stop there to get meat for meatballs (cuase I forgot to got 
to 
> wegmans).
> 
> $3.89 lb.
> 
> I think weggys was $1.99. 
> 
> For those who didn't or couldn't make the truip to Weggys or 
Shoprite -
> it's a loss. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
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[AsburyPark] Re: Is Anybody in Love out there!

[Hinge]

Sounds like a blend between Pier Village and Red Bank. 
I used to love Red Bank when it felt like mainstreet USA. Now it feels like an 
upscale mall 
that I can't afford to shop in. Mainstreet Disney.
Pier Village is one of the worst examples of modern American architecture that 
i've ever 
seen. 
Another example is the new Tinton Falls municipal complex that you can see just 
off of the 
parkway. To me, it looks like an oversized version of the little houses from a 
Monopoly 
game, molded, boring, boxey.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Gabrielle,
> 
> you hit it right on the head. I feel the same way about the 
> pretentious pricks that are mobbing the downtown and other parts of 
> town. They have no respect. I have to live with it everyday (I live 
> downtown). I'm sad to say that as more and more high end businesses 
> move into town, the unique character of the city will go the way of 
> the dodo. It's already happening. Pretty soon we'll have a high 
> end, "upscale" (I'm so sick of that word) beachfront where only the 
> rich are welcome. It's a sad but true reality, one that unfortunately 
> cannot be stopped so long as greed over substance and creativity 
> rules the city. I really don't think there is a developer out there 
> that would be right for the job. They all have the same agenda, the 
> bottomline. Everyone complains about Asbury Partners (yes they do 
> suck) but what they don't realize is that any other developer would 
> do the same things they're doing. I'm not convinced Madison Marquette 
> is the answer. They've been heard saying (my source is rock solid) to 
> a boardwalk vendor that they are looking for Borgata on the beach, 
> with fake palm trees in the sand and cocktail waitress serving drinks 
> to people on the beach. They've also been heard saying they want the 
> AP beachfront to be like Pier Village in Long Branch. Not a good 
> sign. 
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "evosap"  wrote:
> >
> > thanks for your comments, I appreciate your experience here.  I am
> > truly madly and deeply in love with the place.  That doesn't mean I
> > think everything here is wonderful.  We have serious race issues and
> > an influx of superficial wealth that disturbs me.  I have on two
> > occasions witnessed police (state and local) behaving toward black 
> men
> > in a way I thought was no longer possible.  The one with the state
> > cops led me to deep sobbing.  
> > 
> > a deeply complex issue, i know.  one that requires intense
> > sensitivity.  A sensitivity I have yet to see any semblance of on 
> the
> > boards or council.  Keady tries but he is a tiny minority.  The rest
> > seem like whores to greed and power, genuinely and obviously annoyed
> > by citizens.  They have lost all sense of service.
> > 
> > I am also deeply disturbed by the too close ties of the real estate
> > agents and those in power.  Truly feel that some are blatantly using
> > their position for personal gain.  very dangerous and very ugly.
> > 
> > 
> > i have never been disturbed by homeless people, don't feel dumped on
> > in the least.  I would rather see a homeless person and have them 
> ask
> > me for a dollar than a chick in gucci sunglasses and louis vuitton 
> bag
> > get out of a hummer smelling like chemicals (perfume and exhaust). 
> > but thats me...gracias again for you insight.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "2fine4u"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I'd have to agree, not only because you're right, but it's the 
> right
> > > thing to do.  If I'd attend a zoning meeting now, I wouldn't know
> > > anyone on the board.  Seems that when I served, there were decent
> > > people, on it, that I learned to love as friends and came to
> > > understand.  All, had been residents, long before I happened on 
> the
> > > scene.  
> > > 
> > > I lived over in Neptune for over 20 years, heard all the bad stuff
> > > about AP and didn't believe a word of it, due to the rivalry, that
> > > exists, between the two towns, an athletic rivalry, who 
> gets "bragging
> > > rights", for the year, etc.  Neptune, could never be Asbury, no 
> matter
> > > how hard they tried, back in those days, (70's-80's), enjoyed 
> seeing
> > > my kids whip, get whipped and the back and forth, of who was 
> better.  
> > > 
> > > In the 90's, the mayor was recalled and the Asbury United group, 
> took
> > > over, briefly; very briefly.  They were hounded by the group in 
> power
> > > now, my opinion, and what you see now, is what you get!  Better?  
> I
> > > wonder!  Seems to me, that whoever gets in, the title and the
> > > so-called power, goes to their heads!  Still, my opinion!  
> > > 
> > > They are basically good people, seem to know what needs to be 
> done,
> > > but are so taken by quasi-solutions, to decades long problems, 
> seem to
> > > overwhelm and question their judgement!  Seems every group that 
> comes
> > > along, say they have the answers to A

[AsburyPark] Re: Is Anybody in Love out there!

[Joe Jackson]

Gabrielle,

you hit it right on the head. I feel the same way about the 
pretentious pricks that are mobbing the downtown and other parts of 
town. They have no respect. I have to live with it everyday (I live 
downtown). I'm sad to say that as more and more high end businesses 
move into town, the unique character of the city will go the way of 
the dodo. It's already happening. Pretty soon we'll have a high 
end, "upscale" (I'm so sick of that word) beachfront where only the 
rich are welcome. It's a sad but true reality, one that unfortunately 
cannot be stopped so long as greed over substance and creativity 
rules the city. I really don't think there is a developer out there 
that would be right for the job. They all have the same agenda, the 
bottomline. Everyone complains about Asbury Partners (yes they do 
suck) but what they don't realize is that any other developer would 
do the same things they're doing. I'm not convinced Madison Marquette 
is the answer. They've been heard saying (my source is rock solid) to 
a boardwalk vendor that they are looking for Borgata on the beach, 
with fake palm trees in the sand and cocktail waitress serving drinks 
to people on the beach. They've also been heard saying they want the 
AP beachfront to be like Pier Village in Long Branch. Not a good 
sign. 

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "evosap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> thanks for your comments, I appreciate your experience here.  I am
> truly madly and deeply in love with the place.  That doesn't mean I
> think everything here is wonderful.  We have serious race issues and
> an influx of superficial wealth that disturbs me.  I have on two
> occasions witnessed police (state and local) behaving toward black 
men
> in a way I thought was no longer possible.  The one with the state
> cops led me to deep sobbing.  
> 
> a deeply complex issue, i know.  one that requires intense
> sensitivity.  A sensitivity I have yet to see any semblance of on 
the
> boards or council.  Keady tries but he is a tiny minority.  The rest
> seem like whores to greed and power, genuinely and obviously annoyed
> by citizens.  They have lost all sense of service.
> 
> I am also deeply disturbed by the too close ties of the real estate
> agents and those in power.  Truly feel that some are blatantly using
> their position for personal gain.  very dangerous and very ugly.
> 
> 
> i have never been disturbed by homeless people, don't feel dumped on
> in the least.  I would rather see a homeless person and have them 
ask
> me for a dollar than a chick in gucci sunglasses and louis vuitton 
bag
> get out of a hummer smelling like chemicals (perfume and exhaust). 
> but thats me...gracias again for you insight.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "2fine4u"  wrote:
> >
> > I'd have to agree, not only because you're right, but it's the 
right
> > thing to do.  If I'd attend a zoning meeting now, I wouldn't know
> > anyone on the board.  Seems that when I served, there were decent
> > people, on it, that I learned to love as friends and came to
> > understand.  All, had been residents, long before I happened on 
the
> > scene.  
> > 
> > I lived over in Neptune for over 20 years, heard all the bad stuff
> > about AP and didn't believe a word of it, due to the rivalry, that
> > exists, between the two towns, an athletic rivalry, who 
gets "bragging
> > rights", for the year, etc.  Neptune, could never be Asbury, no 
matter
> > how hard they tried, back in those days, (70's-80's), enjoyed 
seeing
> > my kids whip, get whipped and the back and forth, of who was 
better.  
> > 
> > In the 90's, the mayor was recalled and the Asbury United group, 
took
> > over, briefly; very briefly.  They were hounded by the group in 
power
> > now, my opinion, and what you see now, is what you get!  Better?  
I
> > wonder!  Seems to me, that whoever gets in, the title and the
> > so-called power, goes to their heads!  Still, my opinion!  
> > 
> > They are basically good people, seem to know what needs to be 
done,
> > but are so taken by quasi-solutions, to decades long problems, 
seem to
> > overwhelm and question their judgement!  Seems every group that 
comes
> > along, say they have the answers to AP's, long in the struggle
> > problems, since the riots of July 1970.  
> > 
> > It all hinged on race, who was the most powerful group here, but 
don't
> > address the causes of such problems, which STILL exist!  
Substandard
> > housing and education for the majority, which is Black and mostly
> poor.  
> > 
> > Homes, run mostly by single parents, who are no more than kids
> > themselves, or drug and substance dependent.  When I attended the
> > Community College, in the early 70's, I met many of the 
individuals,
> > pegged as the "ones most likely NOT to succeed"! They all had the 
same
> > dreams and aspirations as ANY American, but were ill-prepared to 
get
> > ahead, due to stereotyping and discrimination.  
> > 
> > I give the current group

[AsburyPark] Re: Is there any way to remove Asbury Partners from Asbury?

[Hinge]

I drove past the JSRM the other day, around 3 pm. There were some pretty nasty, 
greasy 
looking guys sitting around on the sidewalk. Great image for people driving on 
Memorial 
drive, or coming into the city via Asbury Ave.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Asbury Partners is destroying Asbury to make an enclave for themselves and 
> people with 
> money. It's obvious that when they got involved, they saw $ first, history 
> last. They don't 
> care at all about Asburys history, whether it be architecturally, or the 
> music history that 
> Asbury is very known for around the world.
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "evosap"  wrote:
> >
> > At the Wonder Bar last night my favorite moment was when the singer of
> > Paperback Radio told the story of talking to his dad about AP.  His
> > dad's comment was "The problem with AP is the 3 gangs, the crips, the
> > bloods and the Partners" .  Despite many being disturbed by the poor
> > and panhandlers, the most damaging are the ones with lots of cash.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Sharon wrote this the other day;
> > > "Preservation of what
> > > gives Asbury Park, its' uniqueness, is of little value to those in the
> > > real estate industry. Everything old, is disposable, for the almighty
> > > dollar! Forget history, throw the historian out with the bathwater!"
> > > Well put Sharon!
> > > 
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Is this city stuck with Asbury Partners in such a way that they
> > can't be legally
> > > > removed from
> > > > the redevelopment?
> > > > Have they met their goals?
> > > > Is the work they are doing in the best interest of the future of
> > the city?
> > > > In the coming days, when we see The Wonder Bar boarded up for no
> > reason at all,
> > > > all of us
> > > > are going to have another incredibly depressing sight to contend with.
> > > > Although I was only able to spend a short time there last night
> > because I have
> > > > the worst cold
> > > > i've had in years, I was blown away by how many people showed up.
> > > > The Wonder Bar is an obviously successful business that people
> > love and care
> > > > about.
> > > > Much of the redevelopment that has been placed in Asbury Partners
> > hands is
> > > > moving at a
> > > > snails pace. Despite the little improvements here and there, we
> > still have acres
> > > > of empty
> > > > depressing lots.
> > > > Putting the future of AP in real estate developers hands was a
> > huge mistake.
> > > > Asbury Park was
> > > > never meant to be condo city. We already have way too much of that
> > in our state,
> > > > and our
> > > > country.
> > > >
> > >
> >
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[AsburyPark] Re: Is there any way to remove Asbury Partners from Asbury?

[Hinge]

I agree wholeheartedly!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "evosap"  wrote:
> 
> > bloods and the Partners" .  Despite many being disturbed by the poor
> > and panhandlers, the most damaging are the ones with lots of cash.
> 
> You don't see any Crips, Bloods, etc. on Park Ave. Poor neighborhoods
> are typically overburdened by social service facilities. The
> conditions act as a petri dish for these gangs to germinate, breed and
> proliferate. Allowing JSRM in AP only adds to the toxic mix. AP has
> had enough. It is time to say no.
>




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Is there any way to remove Asbury Partners from Asbury?

[Hinge]

Asbury Partners is destroying Asbury to make an enclave for themselves and 
people with 
money. It's obvious that when they got involved, they saw $ first, history 
last. They don't 
care at all about Asburys history, whether it be architecturally, or the music 
history that 
Asbury is very known for around the world.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "evosap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> At the Wonder Bar last night my favorite moment was when the singer of
> Paperback Radio told the story of talking to his dad about AP.  His
> dad's comment was "The problem with AP is the 3 gangs, the crips, the
> bloods and the Partners" .  Despite many being disturbed by the poor
> and panhandlers, the most damaging are the ones with lots of cash.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge"  wrote:
> >
> > Sharon wrote this the other day;
> > "Preservation of what
> > gives Asbury Park, its' uniqueness, is of little value to those in the
> > real estate industry. Everything old, is disposable, for the almighty
> > dollar! Forget history, throw the historian out with the bathwater!"
> > Well put Sharon!
> > 
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Is this city stuck with Asbury Partners in such a way that they
> can't be legally
> > > removed from
> > > the redevelopment?
> > > Have they met their goals?
> > > Is the work they are doing in the best interest of the future of
> the city?
> > > In the coming days, when we see The Wonder Bar boarded up for no
> reason at all,
> > > all of us
> > > are going to have another incredibly depressing sight to contend with.
> > > Although I was only able to spend a short time there last night
> because I have
> > > the worst cold
> > > i've had in years, I was blown away by how many people showed up.
> > > The Wonder Bar is an obviously successful business that people
> love and care
> > > about.
> > > Much of the redevelopment that has been placed in Asbury Partners
> hands is
> > > moving at a
> > > snails pace. Despite the little improvements here and there, we
> still have acres
> > > of empty
> > > depressing lots.
> > > Putting the future of AP in real estate developers hands was a
> huge mistake.
> > > Asbury Park was
> > > never meant to be condo city. We already have way too much of that
> in our state,
> > > and our
> > > country.
> > >
> >
>




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Is there any way to remove Asbury Partners from Asbury?

[dfsavgny]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "evosap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> bloods and the Partners" .  Despite many being disturbed by the poor
> and panhandlers, the most damaging are the ones with lots of cash.

You don't see any Crips, Bloods, etc. on Park Ave. Poor neighborhoods
are typically overburdened by social service facilities. The
conditions act as a petri dish for these gangs to germinate, breed and
proliferate. Allowing JSRM in AP only adds to the toxic mix. AP has
had enough. It is time to say no.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Is there any way to remove Asbury Partners from Asbury?

[evosap]

At the Wonder Bar last night my favorite moment was when the singer of
Paperback Radio told the story of talking to his dad about AP.  His
dad's comment was "The problem with AP is the 3 gangs, the crips, the
bloods and the Partners" .  Despite many being disturbed by the poor
and panhandlers, the most damaging are the ones with lots of cash.



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sharon wrote this the other day;
> "Preservation of what
> gives Asbury Park, its' uniqueness, is of little value to those in the
> real estate industry. Everything old, is disposable, for the almighty
> dollar! Forget history, throw the historian out with the bathwater!"
> Well put Sharon!
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge"  wrote:
> >
> > Is this city stuck with Asbury Partners in such a way that they
can't be legally
> > removed from
> > the redevelopment?
> > Have they met their goals?
> > Is the work they are doing in the best interest of the future of
the city?
> > In the coming days, when we see The Wonder Bar boarded up for no
reason at all,
> > all of us
> > are going to have another incredibly depressing sight to contend with.
> > Although I was only able to spend a short time there last night
because I have
> > the worst cold
> > i've had in years, I was blown away by how many people showed up.
> > The Wonder Bar is an obviously successful business that people
love and care
> > about.
> > Much of the redevelopment that has been placed in Asbury Partners
hands is
> > moving at a
> > snails pace. Despite the little improvements here and there, we
still have acres
> > of empty
> > depressing lots.
> > Putting the future of AP in real estate developers hands was a
huge mistake.
> > Asbury Park was
> > never meant to be condo city. We already have way too much of that
in our state,
> > and our
> > country.
> >
>




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: "ring of steel" Cameras

[Hinge]

Why considering?
Good question.
What about the concept they had about having mounted PD?
Seems to me the $ would be better spent on cameras.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Why consider, just act
> the following:
> 
> LONDON - Residents of big cities like New York and London must accept 
> that they are under constant watch by video cameras, New York Mayor 
> Michael Bloomberg said Monday. 
> 
> Bloomberg, holding talks with his London counterpart Ken Livingstone, 
> said such measures as London's "ring of steel" — a network of closed-
> circuit cameras that monitors the city center_ were a necessary 
> protection in a dangerous world.
> 
> "In this day and age, if you think that cameras aren't watching you 
> all the time, you are very naive," Bloomberg told reporters at 
> London's City Hall. (EXCEPT AP)
> 
> "We are under surveillance all the time" from cameras in shops and 
> office buildings, "and in London they have multiple cameras on every 
> bus and in every subway car," he added.
> 
> "The people of London not only support it, but if Ken Livingstone 
> didn't do it they would try to run him out of town on a rail. We live 
> in a dangerous world, and people want to have security cameras."
> 
> During his visit, Bloomberg was getting a demonstration of the ring 
> of steel, a system of cameras and road barriers introduced during the 
> years of Irish Republican Army bombings to protect London's central 
> business district.
> 
> London has one of the world's highest concentrations of surveillance 
> cameras. An estimated 4 million CCTV cameras operate in Britain, and 
> some civil liberties campaigners have warned the country is becoming 
> a "surveillance state."
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[AsburyPark] "ring of steel" Cameras

[oakdorf]

Why consider, just act
the following:

LONDON - Residents of big cities like New York and London must accept 
that they are under constant watch by video cameras, New York Mayor 
Michael Bloomberg said Monday. 

Bloomberg, holding talks with his London counterpart Ken Livingstone, 
said such measures as London's "ring of steel" — a network of closed-
circuit cameras that monitors the city center_ were a necessary 
protection in a dangerous world.

"In this day and age, if you think that cameras aren't watching you 
all the time, you are very naive," Bloomberg told reporters at 
London's City Hall. (EXCEPT AP)

"We are under surveillance all the time" from cameras in shops and 
office buildings, "and in London they have multiple cameras on every 
bus and in every subway car," he added.

"The people of London not only support it, but if Ken Livingstone 
didn't do it they would try to run him out of town on a rail. We live 
in a dangerous world, and people want to have security cameras."

During his visit, Bloomberg was getting a demonstration of the ring 
of steel, a system of cameras and road barriers introduced during the 
years of Irish Republican Army bombings to protect London's central 
business district.

London has one of the world's highest concentrations of surveillance 
cameras. An estimated 4 million CCTV cameras operate in Britain, and 
some civil liberties campaigners have warned the country is becoming 
a "surveillance state."





 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Notes from this weekends visit and Thank you Wonderbar!

[charlie]

nice job with the report Glenn!
   
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[AsburyPark] Re: "Some of them, but not All of them"

[Kevin Brown]

and I have proof.

I walk around with my anti gang program.

Three Giant Breed OEM's known for their loyalty, devotion and 
protective qualities.

Tommy's number were off.  He thought when I had 2 they would be 400 
pounds of dog, hinted 200# each.

The vet says Baby will achieve an adult weight of 150#
Baxter, the stud, looks like he will make it to 200 - 210

Georgeanne (one month younger than baby) should squeek out 140#

The three of them will most likely top 400 combines.

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[AsburyPark] Re: "Some of them, but not All of them"

[Kevin Brown]

... and I concur, he is not me.

KB



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: "Radio Nowhere"

[Kevin Brown]

Not!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "rook782" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Do you think Springstein is a member of Asbury Yahoo Groups?
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dapawprint"  wrote:
> >
> > I just read that one of Bruce Springsteen's new songs is 
> titled "Radio 
> > Nowhere"  does anyone know if this song relates to Asbury Radio?"
> >
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[AsburyPark] Re: Is there any way to remove Asbury Partners from Asbury?

[Hinge]

Sharon wrote this the other day;
"Preservation of what
gives Asbury Park, its' uniqueness, is of little value to those in the
real estate industry. Everything old, is disposable, for the almighty
dollar! Forget history, throw the historian out with the bathwater!"
Well put Sharon!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Is this city stuck with Asbury Partners in such a way that they can't be 
> legally
> removed from
> the redevelopment?
> Have they met their goals?
> Is the work they are doing in the best interest of the future of the city?
> In the coming days, when we see The Wonder Bar boarded up for no reason at 
> all,
> all of us
> are going to have another incredibly depressing sight to contend with.
> Although I was only able to spend a short time there last night because I have
> the worst cold
> i've had in years, I was blown away by how many people showed up.
> The Wonder Bar is an obviously successful business that people love and care
> about.
> Much of the redevelopment that has been placed in Asbury Partners hands is
> moving at a
> snails pace. Despite the little improvements here and there, we still have 
> acres
> of empty
> depressing lots.
> Putting the future of AP in real estate developers hands was a huge mistake.
> Asbury Park was
> never meant to be condo city. We already have way too much of that in our 
> state,
> and our
> country.
>




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury To lose a Supermarket

[dfsavgny]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "nobepeymay"  wrote:
> >
> > find a location for me to speak to Trader Joe's and / or another food 
> > retailer to occupy and I will give it a try! 
> > 
> > John
> 
> 
> Get rid of the corner at Spring and Main - meat n more, city yard, etc.
> get rid of that thing between spring and bangs - that thing known as
> city hall.
> 
> Assemble some properties on Asbury Ave
>

The old train station on Sunset and Main. Lake Ave. The on ein
Westfiled is smack in the middle of town.



 
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[AsburyPark] Is there any way to remove Asbury Partners from Asbury?

[Hinge]

Is this city stuck with Asbury Partners in such a way that they can't be legally
removed from
the redevelopment?
Have they met their goals?
Is the work they are doing in the best interest of the future of the city?
In the coming days, when we see The Wonder Bar boarded up for no reason at all,
all of us
are going to have another incredibly depressing sight to contend with.
Although I was only able to spend a short time there last night because I have
the worst cold
i've had in years, I was blown away by how many people showed up.
The Wonder Bar is an obviously successful business that people love and care
about.
Much of the redevelopment that has been placed in Asbury Partners hands is
moving at a
snails pace. Despite the little improvements here and there, we still have acres
of empty
depressing lots.
Putting the future of AP in real estate developers hands was a huge mistake.
Asbury Park was
never meant to be condo city. We already have way too much of that in our state,
and our
country.



 
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[AsburyPark] Is there anyway to remove Asbury Partners for Asbury?

[Hinge]

Is this city stuck with Asbury Partners in such a way that they can't be 
legally removed from 
the redevelopment?
Have they met their goals?
Is the work they are doing in the best interest of the future of the city?
In the coming days, when we see The Wonder Bar boarded up for no reason at all, 
all of us 
are going to have another incredibly depressing sight to contend with.
Although I was only able to spend a short time there last night because I have 
the worst cold 
i've had in years, I was blown away by how many people showed up.
The Wonder Bar is an obviously successful business that people love and care 
about.
Much of the redevelopment that has been placed in Asbury Partners hands is 
moving at a 
snails pace. Despite the little improvements here and there, we still have 
acres of empty 
depressing lots.
Putting the future of AP in real estate developers hands was a huge mistake. 
Asbury Park was 
never meant to be condo city. We already have way too much of that in our 
state, and our 
country.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Notes from this weekends visit and Thank you Wonderbar!

[dapawprint]

Hey Sharon,  I went back to the WB last night and Debbie told me 
that I had just missed you!  I did get to see Werner and Maureen; a 
very nice evening indeed.  Hinge, take care of that cold!  I'll be 
in A.P. until tomorrow and will be back at the end of November for 
the Christmas festivities at the Paramount!


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "2fine4u" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Glenn and Hinge:
> I missed the BOTH of you!  Should have synchronized my coming! 
> Debbie, told me I had just missed you, Hinge!  Said you took the 
dog,
> home!  The only people I knew beside Debbie, was Henry and Vince;
> that's Henry Vaccaro and Vince Gifford.  I didn't get there, until
> about 6:20 PM, couldn't find a place to park, then went inside the
> hole in the fence and parked out behind the WonderBar!  I only 
went to
> support Debbie and Lance, had my 2 obligatory drinks, 2 scotches,
> lolligagged with Vince, who knows me through my Hugh McCluskey 
days,
> when I was SUPPOSED to be retired and someone thought I needed
> something to do!  As Vince said, that job convinced me, to STAY
> retired.  In everything a lesson, is learned.  Anyway, there was a
> pretty lively crowd, people with pets, interesting doggies, etc.  I
> couldn't take the loud music and left!  Will try to meet up with 
the
> group, hopefully before Xmas.  Say when!  Great posts, from both 
of you.
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge"  wrote:
> >
> > Great post. Next time you are in the city i'd like to go on a 
photo
> expedition with you.
> > I was at the Wonderbar tonight too, and it left me feeling very 
sad.
> > As I walked back home I couldn't help but think how slow the so
> called redevelopment 
> > actually is in our city.
> > Take the Esperanza for example. It's been a year and 4 months 
since
> C-8  was 
> > demolished, and they are just barely getting the foundation 
completed.
> > When I lived in North Jersey, I saw several similar projects
> completed in the same amount 
> > of time.
> > I also heard rumblings of problems between Asbury Partners and MM
> this evening.
> > Personally, I think it's time to kick Asbury Partners to the curb
> and halt their lame 
> > redevelopment efforts and wholesale destruction of our once
> beautiful oceanfront.
> > Think about those ridiculous AP Partner signs telling us about
> transforming the city into 
> > the jewel of the jersey shore, at no cost to the taxpayers...blah
> blah blah.
> > Can't this city find a way to stand up to Asbury Partners and get
> them out of here?
> > 
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dapawprint"  
wrote:
> > >
> > > I hope that you all had the chance to stop by the Wonderbar 
and wish 
> > > Debbie and Lance well.  The crowds were amazing, both last 
night and 
> > > today.  It's still going strong, if you haven't been there 
yet, act 
> > > quickly!
> > > 
> > > As usual, I walked miles and miles and miles taking pictures 
of the 
> > > new, the old and the changing.  Some things that I noted:
> > > 
> > > - Yes, the Sunset Ave. pavilion is being cleaned out.  There 
are 
> > > several open holes in the second floor and two dumpsters full 
of 
> > > memories on Ocean Ave.
> > >
>




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Notes from this weekends visit and Thank you Wonderbar!

[Hinge]

I wish I couldn've stayed longer, but I'm in the midst of a horrible cold.
It was really great to get to take my dog for a visit.
It's just another reason why i'm sad that the Wonder Bar is closing.
Debbie created such a great environment for music and people, and sometimes 
their pets 
to come hang out and have a good time.
The loss of the Wonder Bar is a great loss for Asbury Park.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "2fine4u" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Glenn and Hinge:
> I missed the BOTH of you!  Should have synchronized my coming! 
> Debbie, told me I had just missed you, Hinge!  Said you took the dog,
> home!  The only people I knew beside Debbie, was Henry and Vince;
> that's Henry Vaccaro and Vince Gifford.  I didn't get there, until
> about 6:20 PM, couldn't find a place to park, then went inside the
> hole in the fence and parked out behind the WonderBar!  I only went to
> support Debbie and Lance, had my 2 obligatory drinks, 2 scotches,
> lolligagged with Vince, who knows me through my Hugh McCluskey days,
> when I was SUPPOSED to be retired and someone thought I needed
> something to do!  As Vince said, that job convinced me, to STAY
> retired.  In everything a lesson, is learned.  Anyway, there was a
> pretty lively crowd, people with pets, interesting doggies, etc.  I
> couldn't take the loud music and left!  Will try to meet up with the
> group, hopefully before Xmas.  Say when!  Great posts, from both of you.
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge"  wrote:
> >
> > Great post. Next time you are in the city i'd like to go on a photo
> expedition with you.
> > I was at the Wonderbar tonight too, and it left me feeling very sad.
> > As I walked back home I couldn't help but think how slow the so
> called redevelopment 
> > actually is in our city.
> > Take the Esperanza for example. It's been a year and 4 months since
> C-8  was 
> > demolished, and they are just barely getting the foundation completed.
> > When I lived in North Jersey, I saw several similar projects
> completed in the same amount 
> > of time.
> > I also heard rumblings of problems between Asbury Partners and MM
> this evening.
> > Personally, I think it's time to kick Asbury Partners to the curb
> and halt their lame 
> > redevelopment efforts and wholesale destruction of our once
> beautiful oceanfront.
> > Think about those ridiculous AP Partner signs telling us about
> transforming the city into 
> > the jewel of the jersey shore, at no cost to the taxpayers...blah
> blah blah.
> > Can't this city find a way to stand up to Asbury Partners and get
> them out of here?
> > 
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dapawprint"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I hope that you all had the chance to stop by the Wonderbar and wish 
> > > Debbie and Lance well.  The crowds were amazing, both last night and 
> > > today.  It's still going strong, if you haven't been there yet, act 
> > > quickly!
> > > 
> > > As usual, I walked miles and miles and miles taking pictures of the 
> > > new, the old and the changing.  Some things that I noted:
> > > 
> > > - Yes, the Sunset Ave. pavilion is being cleaned out.  There are 
> > > several open holes in the second floor and two dumpsters full of 
> > > memories on Ocean Ave.
> > >
>




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Movie in AP

[rook782]

Dan can supply the concrete.  You might even try to make a fundraiser 
out of it.  Everyone can buy a brick. 

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
>  wrote:
> > 
> > See there, I have a tortured spirit like Crane
> 
> You are not kidding.
> 
> > outsider, set upon for my world view.  Come on Frank, I can nail 
this 
> > part!  What do you say?
> 
> 
> Just spoke to Frank. He says wait, they are thinking about making a
> film version of Poe's "The Cask of Amontillado" in Werner's basement
> and you would be terrific for the part of Fortunato.>
>




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: "Radio Nowhere"

[rook782]

Do you think Springstein is a member of Asbury Yahoo Groups?




 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dapawprint" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I just read that one of Bruce Springsteen's new songs is 
titled "Radio 
> Nowhere"  does anyone know if this song relates to Asbury Radio?"
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[AsburyPark] Re: Movie in AP

[rook782]

Werner can play James A. Bradley.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" 
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny"  wrote:
> 
> > Crane was a liberal - you are not.
> 
> 
> LOL! Unfortunatly for me, you're right.
> 
> HOWEVER, that liberalism and his writing about it made him an 
outsider 
> in the very conservative Asbury Park of his day.
> 
> My conservatism and my writing about it makes me an outsider in the 
> very liberal Asbury Park of my day.
> 
> See there, I have a tortured spirit like Crane - I'm the shunned 
> outsider, set upon for my world view.  Come on Frank, I can nail 
this 
> part!  What do you say?
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[AsburyPark] Re: Notes from this weekends visit and Thank you Wonderbar!

[2fine4u]

Glenn and Hinge:
I missed the BOTH of you!  Should have synchronized my coming! 
Debbie, told me I had just missed you, Hinge!  Said you took the dog,
home!  The only people I knew beside Debbie, was Henry and Vince;
that's Henry Vaccaro and Vince Gifford.  I didn't get there, until
about 6:20 PM, couldn't find a place to park, then went inside the
hole in the fence and parked out behind the WonderBar!  I only went to
support Debbie and Lance, had my 2 obligatory drinks, 2 scotches,
lolligagged with Vince, who knows me through my Hugh McCluskey days,
when I was SUPPOSED to be retired and someone thought I needed
something to do!  As Vince said, that job convinced me, to STAY
retired.  In everything a lesson, is learned.  Anyway, there was a
pretty lively crowd, people with pets, interesting doggies, etc.  I
couldn't take the loud music and left!  Will try to meet up with the
group, hopefully before Xmas.  Say when!  Great posts, from both of you.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Great post. Next time you are in the city i'd like to go on a photo
expedition with you.
> I was at the Wonderbar tonight too, and it left me feeling very sad.
> As I walked back home I couldn't help but think how slow the so
called redevelopment 
> actually is in our city.
> Take the Esperanza for example. It's been a year and 4 months since
C-8  was 
> demolished, and they are just barely getting the foundation completed.
> When I lived in North Jersey, I saw several similar projects
completed in the same amount 
> of time.
> I also heard rumblings of problems between Asbury Partners and MM
this evening.
> Personally, I think it's time to kick Asbury Partners to the curb
and halt their lame 
> redevelopment efforts and wholesale destruction of our once
beautiful oceanfront.
> Think about those ridiculous AP Partner signs telling us about
transforming the city into 
> the jewel of the jersey shore, at no cost to the taxpayers...blah
blah blah.
> Can't this city find a way to stand up to Asbury Partners and get
them out of here?
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dapawprint"  wrote:
> >
> > I hope that you all had the chance to stop by the Wonderbar and wish 
> > Debbie and Lance well.  The crowds were amazing, both last night and 
> > today.  It's still going strong, if you haven't been there yet, act 
> > quickly!
> > 
> > As usual, I walked miles and miles and miles taking pictures of the 
> > new, the old and the changing.  Some things that I noted:
> > 
> > - Yes, the Sunset Ave. pavilion is being cleaned out.  There are 
> > several open holes in the second floor and two dumpsters full of 
> > memories on Ocean Ave.
> > 




 
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