[AsburyPark] The School System

[Mario]

For those interested in Asbury Park's school system:   An Hour on
K-12 Education with Four National Teachers of the Year, (including one
from the lowest performing system in the country, D.C.)   Informative
dicussion among four of the best, chosen by the Council of Chief State
School Officers.  Topics included:Zero tolerance for ineffectual
teaching and mediocrity throughout the system.   Quality teaching,
professional development and development.  Ineffectual workshops.
Assessment, accountability.   Equity for all children. School cultures.
Collaborative Learning.
Rich Content Standards.
Public attitudes, economics, merit pay, unions, politics. Targeted and
smart pay.   21st Global Competition and Needs   Inability to maintain
functioning democracy with the status quo. Michael Geisen, middle school
science teacher, OR;  2008 winner   Kathy Mellor, middle school ESL
teacher, RI; 2004 winner   Kimberly Oliver, kindergarten teacher, MD;
2006 winner   Jason Kamras, mathematics teacher and advisor to DC School
Chancelor;  2005 winner
Repeats at 1:30 (WNET) and 5:00 (WLIW) today
And will be available here:  http://tinyurl.com/5bsmgw
 /  
http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2008/07/10/1/an-hour-on-education-with-\
national-teachers-of-the-year
   
  "And gladly would he
learn, and gladly teach" - Chaucer 

[AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions

[nobepeymay]

> 
> John, your hopes and observations are optimistic and I agree that 
a 
> change of direction is needed and desirable. But, The developers 
> have no gears to switch.
> 
> The point I have been making that seems to escape everyone in that 
> the PLAN is the law. The PLAN dictates land use and unless it is 
> changed it will run its course as I have described. (intensely 
> residential)
> 
> As much as MM or anyone else wants AP to be a destination, the 
PLAN 
> as currently structured does not support that goal very well. It 
was 
> not the goal in its creation.
> 
> The PLAN is the guiding redevelopment document, it needs to be 
> reexamined and modified to better support a destination based 
> economy.
> 
> Werner
-

Werner,

I agreefrom a "big picture" perspective if the current plan is 
not economically viable there must be changes made to the PLAN / 
redevelopment document.  

I for one would like a healthy mix of residential, retail and 
entertaiment by the boardwalkI fear that if the boardwalk 
becomes almost exclusively a tourist destination it will not be as 
enjoyable for those of us who live here or spend a bunch of time 
here.  In my opinion a boardwalk and businesses that would end up 
being way over crowded would be less desirable to take advatage of. 

A balance of being able to support a thriving boardwalk and city 
with and well thought out entertainment options / festivals / events 
would be great.I would take quality over quantity.

I like the fact that quite a bit of the retail has an interactive 
element to itI stopped by the Cuban Sandwich Container and they 
mentioned to me that they are going to have Salsa lessons on the 
boardwalkhow cool is that!  Hope this interactive retail thread 
continues throughout the boardwalk.

All parties involved in the redevelopment must continue to adapt to 
what is most benificial to all the citizens of of this community and 
the visitors in order for this redevopment to be considered a 
success.

I remain cautiously optimistic, as we are taking steps in the right 
direction.  If fundamental changes are needed to keep the progress 
going, I have faith that these changes can be worked outthen 
again I haven't lived through all of the starts / stops and false 
promises that many have here.  I believe Mario in one of his posts 
mentioned this time it feels different.  Stay tuned!  

John










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[AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions

[Jack Pitzer]

When I listed my thoughts earlier, I failed to mention that I Love Biggies Clam
Bar. I've been to the Hoboken location many times, so it's great to have a 
little 
bit of that right here at home.

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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> 
> the plan now is to have as many places serving liquor as possible...?
> 
> And I thought Werner would comment on the use of the Bradley "image" in what 
> could be 
> considered a negative way.
> 
> Or it is freedom of expression - art?
>






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[AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions

[oakdorf]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> 

the plan now is to have as many places serving liquor as possible...?

And I thought Werner would comment on the use of the Bradley "image" in what 
could be 
considered a negative way.

Or it is freedom of expression - art?







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[AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions

[wernerapnj]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "nobepeymay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> > Charlie,
> > 
> > My conclusions are based upon first hand participation and 
> > witnessing of the process that created the PLAN. I was duly 
> accepted 
> > as the Official City Historian at the time. I attended every 
> > Planning session possible and was an official advisor to the 
> > planning Board.
> > 
> > I had private meetings with Mr. Duany who fine tuned the draft 
> > created by Asbury Partner's planner Clark, Caton & Hintz. My 
> > questions at public hearings revealed that visitors were not 
> > accounted for nor desired. That parking for beachgoers and 
> > ConHall/Casino users was not accounted for, and that this is to 
be 
> a 
> > primarily residential development with amenities for the use of 
> > those residents.
> > 
> > Recall that the explaination to the public was that the 
> traditional 
> > destination Asbury Park was being abandoned in favor of year 
round 
> > high end residential development. The Land Use and Zoning in the 
> > plan goes to that end, It does not need to state it.
> > 
> > I hope that clears up your concerns,
> > 
> > Werner
> ...
> 
> glad the developers have switched gears...it is obvious that the 
> millions upon millions that are being spent are for a much wider 
> audience and not the condo owners who are here in small numbers.  
> Based on the scale of investment being made there is no way the 
> condo owners alone could keep the boardwalk busineses afloat.
> 
> take a look at the new website.is this geared specifically for 
> condo owners?  I don't think so.  In my opinion, the focus has 
> changed and will adapt to today's needs.  This is being proven out 
> by the direction and new adaptation of the boardwalk to a wider 
> audience than you reference above..
>  
> John
>
==

John, your hopes and observations are optimistic and I agree that a 
change of direction is needed and desirable. But, The developers 
have no gears to switch.

The point I have been making that seems to escape everyone in that 
the PLAN is the law. The PLAN dictates land use and unless it is 
changed it will run its course as I have described. (intensely 
residential)

As much as MM or anyone else wants AP to be a destination, the PLAN 
as currently structured does not support that goal very well. It was 
not the goal in its creation.

The PLAN is the guiding redevelopment document, it needs to be 
reexamined and modified to better support a destination based 
economy.

Werner




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[AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions

[nobepeymay]

> Charlie,
> 
> My conclusions are based upon first hand participation and 
> witnessing of the process that created the PLAN. I was duly 
accepted 
> as the Official City Historian at the time. I attended every 
> Planning session possible and was an official advisor to the 
> planning Board.
> 
> I had private meetings with Mr. Duany who fine tuned the draft 
> created by Asbury Partner's planner Clark, Caton & Hintz. My 
> questions at public hearings revealed that visitors were not 
> accounted for nor desired. That parking for beachgoers and 
> ConHall/Casino users was not accounted for, and that this is to be 
a 
> primarily residential development with amenities for the use of 
> those residents.
> 
> Recall that the explaination to the public was that the 
traditional 
> destination Asbury Park was being abandoned in favor of year round 
> high end residential development. The Land Use and Zoning in the 
> plan goes to that end, It does not need to state it.
> 
> I hope that clears up your concerns,
> 
> Werner
...

glad the developers have switched gears...it is obvious that the 
millions upon millions that are being spent are for a much wider 
audience and not the condo owners who are here in small numbers.  
Based on the scale of investment being made there is no way the 
condo owners alone could keep the boardwalk busineses afloat.

take a look at the new website.is this geared specifically for 
condo owners?  I don't think so.  In my opinion, the focus has 
changed and will adapt to today's needs.  This is being proven out 
by the direction and new adaptation of the boardwalk to a wider 
audience than you reference above..
 
John





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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions

[charlie]

 Nice comments Jack!  I like the containers, I think they look neat!  Also, 
i don't think their completed!  Didn't the renderings on line show different 
images or abstractions on the sides of them?  I think the white is just the 
base coat.  They were in a rush to get them open and operational.  I expect 
changes to them soon.  We will see!
 I noticed the other day they switched out the two modern flower pots on 
each side of the Paramount with more classic styling ones.  A small thing to 
notice, but i noticed!  I actually liked the modern ones better, because it 
blurred the visual cut off between old and new.  The new black ones look good 
too though.



  

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions

[charlie]

Werner,

     I didn't cut and paste everything you said just now, but yes, it does make 
sence what you say.  Sometimes it just seems like you word things in such a 
way, that it leads people towards your way of thinkng.
 Everything you said is true, however, the parking for beach goers lines 
ocean ave as well as all the avenues.  How has that changed any?  The condo 
units all have enclosed parking.  Of course any visitors that the condos 
receive would be parking on the street.  Hypothetically, any business where the 
condos now are would also receive visitors.  Those extra cars were always 
present?
 Was there EVER parkin for the C or CH?  Back in the day when everything 
was up and running, it seems like there was always a parking crisis.  How many 
parking spaces did narrowing the roads really cause?
  



  

[AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go????

[sharon_b283]

My Spanish isn't up to date but it looks like a Florida website in
Talahassee!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Still screwed up. You might be seeing the correct thing loading from
your cache.
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Michael W. Brim"  wrote:
> >
> > I was able to open the site: http://www.theasburyparkboardwalk.com/
> > 
> > 
> > From: arcman210 
> > Date: 2008/07/10 Thu PM 12:20:49 EDT
> > To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go
> > 
> > 
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Wow!
> > > I think the webmaster accidently uploaded the wrong site.
> > > Oops.
> > > 
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210" 
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > www.theasburyparkboardwalk.com
> > > > 
> > > > it now links to some website for a mexican restaurant in 
> > tallahassee 
> > > > florida! what happened to it?!?
> > > > 
> > > > im just assuming there is some sort of mistake here.
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> > lets hope it gets resolved soon... i couldnt get enough of it hahaha
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Michael W. Brim
> > 321 Sunset Ave. 5F
> > Asbury Park NJ 07712
> > Cell: 732-996-8160
> >
>





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[AsburyPark] Re: Fireworks tonight in Asbury Park

[sharon_b283]

Thanks, Mike!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Michael W. Brim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Opening Weekend Fireworks
> at: The 4th Ave Beach
> 
> Fireworks extravaganza on the beach!  
> 
> Incredible views from anywhere on the Boardwalk!
> 
> 
> Date: Thursday, July 10 2008 Time: 9 p.m. Age: All Ages 
> 
> Michael W. Brim
> 321 Sunset Ave. 5F
> Asbury Park NJ 07712
> Cell: 732-996-8160
>





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[AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions

[Jack Pitzer]

Here's my thoughts about my likes and dislikes of the current boardwalk.
First off, I can't help but agree with the new poster here that the 
architecture of the new pavilions leaves something to be desired.
Is it better then it's been in years. Yes. Is it as good as it COULD be? No.
I still think that sticking with the original look from the glory years of AP 
would've been 
much better, because it would've stuck with the original branding that AP used 
to be 
known for.
Now, on either end, you have something traditional and truly unique, and in the 
middle 
you have South Beach Strip Mall Modern, with wall warts of A/C units on top.
I think Convention Hall looks amazing, as does the plaza and entrance to the 
Paramount.
I can't really comment on The Casino yet because it still has quite a way to go.
I like the mini golf.
I hate the containers. Nice experiment, but they fail for me, especially from 
the rear view.
As for the empty fields being transformed into parking lots...they are better 
then what's 
been there for the last few years, but I will forever miss what was there 
before.
I love that all the streets in the area have been paved.
As for the content of the new pavilion shops, I dig the bike shop and Style 
Rocket, but 
Style Rocket is a bit overpriced, but they do have some great stuff in there.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie  wrote:
> >
> > "
> > Is still to build 3000+ high end Condos and a retail/commercial
> > 
> > beachfront for the use of the condo dwellers."
> > 
> >  Werner, does the plan really mention that the 
> retail/commercial area is designated for the soul purpose of the 
> condo dwellers?  I somehow doubt it does, but if i'm mistaken, sorry 
> in advance... It sounds like you're intentionally inserting 
> words to help with you're conclusion.
> >  So far what's been built on the boardwalk, and inside the CH 
> arcade is for anyone who wants to enjoy it.  Maybe it's not the sort 
> of thing you wanted to see open?  Is that why it then becomes marked 
> for condo dwellers only???
> >
> 
===
=
> Charlie,
> 
> My conclusions are based upon first hand participation and 
> witnessing of the process that created the PLAN. I was duly accepted 
> as the Official City Historian at the time. I attended every 
> Planning session possible and was an official advisor to the 
> planning Board.
> 
> I had private meetings with Mr. Duany who fine tuned the draft 
> created by Asbury Partner's planner Clark, Caton & Hintz. My 
> questions at public hearings revealed that visitors were not 
> accounted for nor desired. That parking for beachgoers and 
> ConHall/Casino users was not accounted for, and that this is to be a 
> primarily residential development with amenities for the use of 
> those residents.
> 
> Recall that the explaination to the public was that the traditional 
> destination Asbury Park was being abandoned in favor of year round 
> high end residential development. The Land Use and Zoning in the 
> plan goes to that end, It does not need to state it.
> 
> I hope that clears up your concerns,
> 
> Werner
>






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[AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions

[wernerapnj]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "
> Is still to build 3000+ high end Condos and a retail/commercial
> 
> beachfront for the use of the condo dwellers."
> 
>  Werner, does the plan really mention that the 
retail/commercial area is designated for the soul purpose of the 
condo dwellers?  I somehow doubt it does, but if i'm mistaken, sorry 
in advance... It sounds like you're intentionally inserting 
words to help with you're conclusion.
>  So far what's been built on the boardwalk, and inside the CH 
arcade is for anyone who wants to enjoy it.  Maybe it's not the sort 
of thing you wanted to see open?  Is that why it then becomes marked 
for condo dwellers only???
>

Charlie,

My conclusions are based upon first hand participation and 
witnessing of the process that created the PLAN. I was duly accepted 
as the Official City Historian at the time. I attended every 
Planning session possible and was an official advisor to the 
planning Board.

I had private meetings with Mr. Duany who fine tuned the draft 
created by Asbury Partner's planner Clark, Caton & Hintz. My 
questions at public hearings revealed that visitors were not 
accounted for nor desired. That parking for beachgoers and 
ConHall/Casino users was not accounted for, and that this is to be a 
primarily residential development with amenities for the use of 
those residents.

Recall that the explaination to the public was that the traditional 
destination Asbury Park was being abandoned in favor of year round 
high end residential development. The Land Use and Zoning in the 
plan goes to that end, It does not need to state it.

I hope that clears up your concerns,

Werner 




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[AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go????

[Jack Pitzer]

Especially slow if you are on a MAC.
In most cases, an intro page is a complete waste.

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> > I cleaned the files and works fine.  
> > 
> > 
> 
> They have to lose the "asbury park" intro page. sl...o...w
>






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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions

[charlie]

"
Is still to build 3000+ high end Condos and a retail/commercial

beachfront for the use of the condo dwellers."

 Werner, does the plan really mention that the retail/commercial area is 
designated for the soul purpose of the condo dwellers?  I somehow doubt it 
does, but if i'm mistaken, sorry in advance... It sounds like you're 
intentionally inserting words to help with you're conclusion.
 So far what's been built on the boardwalk, and inside the CH arcade is for 
anyone who wants to enjoy it.  Maybe it's not the sort of thing you wanted to 
see open?  Is that why it then becomes marked for condo dwellers only???



  

[AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go????

[oakdorf]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> I cleaned the files and works fine.  
> 
> 

They have to lose the "asbury park" intro page. sl...o...w  






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[AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions

[wernerapnj]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- 
> 
> .. Today, the transformation is complete and the Boardwalk now 
> combines the original majesty and glory of its past with modern 
design 
> and sophisticated conveniences. More than 130 years ago, the 
> Boardwalk's entertainment offerings and universal appeal 
contributed to 
> the foundation and success of Asbury Park. With its new 
appearance, 
> improvements and enhanced offerings, the Boardwalk is positioned 
to 
> help solidify Asbury Park's future by attracting visitors for 
lifetimes 
> to come.
>
==

OOppps - Sorry to break the news, but...

The (ill)legally adopted, approved, current, up to date, PLAN...

Is still to build 3000+ high end Condos and a retail/commercial
beachfront for the use of the condo dwellers.

Outsiders need not apply.

Until someone wakes up and amends/modifies the PLAN, thats what we 
are headed for.

(just) Werner (lurking)






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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions

[charlie]

 Of course things should have been done a long time ago.  But 



  

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions

[charlie]

"They are not modern, they are cheap. Thats the "new" trend in todays 

architecture sometimes refered to as placeless design or cartoon 

architecture."

 In my opinion, they are modern.  But, to each their own!  You have the 
right to think what you want, just like I do! :-)




"Basics like massing, details and color are mismatched or out of 

scale. Certainly you have seen the trend in suburban malls and 

housing developments."

 I don't think the colors are mismatched at all.  That's one of the main 
features that give it it's modern flare in my opinion.



"You mention brick buildings, brick has texture, creates shadow 

lines, has variations in color - a much better look thats 

traditional and interesting."

 That's usually true with bricks, although not with the bricks that were 
used previously!  They were solid yellow bricks.  A type of brick that were 
frequently used in the 60's and also before.  They were real bricks, in good 
shape, but they gave a dated look in my opinion.  They reminded me of an old 
fashioned 1970's building.  The kind that stands out with an obvious dated 
look!  Just my thoughts.



  

[AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions

[oakdorf]

--- 

.. Today, the transformation is complete and the Boardwalk now 
combines the original majesty and glory of its past with modern design 
and sophisticated conveniences. More than 130 years ago, the 
Boardwalk's entertainment offerings and universal appeal contributed to 
the foundation and success of Asbury Park. With its new appearance, 
improvements and enhanced offerings, the Boardwalk is positioned to 
help solidify Asbury Park's future by attracting visitors for lifetimes 
to come.





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[AsburyPark] Re: looks like the boardwalk is getting a new website

[sandpiper15]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> well the privacy policy is in Enlgish, but they need to fine tune 
> where/how "Asbury Park" is used. Has to be whatever name they are 
> using - like Madison Asbury vs Asbury Park. "Asbury Park" is not 
liable 
> or the holder of the website rights
> 
> old consulting jobs never die
>

I noticed that too. ASBURY PARK is a trademark of ASBURY PARK? Well 
then what's ASBURY PARK a trademark of? Reminds me of the Casino's old 
maze of mirrors. ;) 




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[AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go????

[Jack Pitzer]

Not for me. Strange indeed. I just sent the link to a bunch of people and they 
are also 
seeing the wrong website.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I cleaned the files and works fine.  
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: Jack Pitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 1:36:34 PM
> Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go
> 
> 
> Allan. Do an experiment. Clear your cache, and try again. I did that on 3 
> different 
> computers and the wrong site is still coming up.
> 
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson  wrote:
> >
> > no problems here.  I like how Brady is holding a sign for the wonder bar.  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message 
> > From: Michael W. Brim 
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com; Jack Pitzer 
> > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 1:19:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go
> > 
> > 
> > Just tried it on another computer for the fist time and it came up!
> > 
> > From: Jack Pitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com>
> > Date: 2008/07/10 Thu PM 12:35:38 EDT
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
> > Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go
> > 
> > Still screwed up. You might be seeing the correct thing loading from your 
> > cache.
> > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "Michael W. Brim"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I was able to open the site: http://www.theasbur yparkboardwalk. com/
> > >
> > >
> > > From: arcman210 
> > > Date: 2008/07/10 Thu PM 12:20:49 EDT
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
> > > Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "Jack Pitzer"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Wow!
> > > > I think the webmaster accidently uploaded the wrong site.
> > > > Oops.
> > > >
> > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "arcman210"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > www.theasburyparkbo ardwalk.com
> > > > >
> > > > > it now links to some website for a mexican restaurant in
> > > tallahassee
> > > > > florida! what happened to it?!?
> > > > >
> > > > > im just assuming there is some sort of mistake here.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > lets hope it gets resolved soon... i couldnt get enough of it hahaha
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Michael W. Brim
> > > 321 Sunset Ave. 5F
> > > Asbury Park NJ 07712
> > > Cell: 732-996-8160
> > >
> > 
> > Michael W. Brim
> > 321 Sunset Ave. 5F
> > Asbury Park NJ 07712
> > Cell: 732-996-8160
> >
>






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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go????

[Allan Peterson]

I cleaned the files and works fine.  



- Original Message 
From: Jack Pitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 1:36:34 PM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go


Allan. Do an experiment. Clear your cache, and try again. I did that on 3 
different 
computers and the wrong site is still coming up.

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson  wrote:
>
> no problems here.  I like how Brady is holding a sign for the wonder bar.  
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: Michael W. Brim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com; Jack Pitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 1:19:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go
> 
> 
> Just tried it on another computer for the fist time and it came up!
> 
> From: Jack Pitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com>
> Date: 2008/07/10 Thu PM 12:35:38 EDT
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
> Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go
> 
> Still screwed up. You might be seeing the correct thing loading from your 
> cache.
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "Michael W. Brim"  wrote:
> >
> > I was able to open the site: http://www.theasbur yparkboardwalk. com/
> >
> >
> > From: arcman210 
> > Date: 2008/07/10 Thu PM 12:20:49 EDT
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
> > Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go
> >
> >
> > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "Jack Pitzer"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Wow!
> > > I think the webmaster accidently uploaded the wrong site.
> > > Oops.
> > >
> > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "arcman210"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > www.theasburyparkbo ardwalk.com
> > > >
> > > > it now links to some website for a mexican restaurant in
> > tallahassee
> > > > florida! what happened to it?!?
> > > >
> > > > im just assuming there is some sort of mistake here.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > lets hope it gets resolved soon... i couldnt get enough of it hahaha
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael W. Brim
> > 321 Sunset Ave. 5F
> > Asbury Park NJ 07712
> > Cell: 732-996-8160
> >
> 
> Michael W. Brim
> 321 Sunset Ave. 5F
> Asbury Park NJ 07712
> Cell: 732-996-8160
>

 


  

[AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go????

[Jack Pitzer]

Allan. Do an experiment. Clear your cache, and try again. I did that on 3 
different 
computers and the wrong site is still coming up.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> no problems here.  I like how Brady is holding a sign for the wonder bar.  
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: Michael W. Brim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com; Jack Pitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 1:19:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go
> 
> 
> Just tried it on another computer for the fist time and it came up!
> 
> From: Jack Pitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com>
> Date: 2008/07/10 Thu PM 12:35:38 EDT
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
> Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go
> 
> Still screwed up. You might be seeing the correct thing loading from your 
> cache.
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "Michael W. Brim"  wrote:
> >
> > I was able to open the site: http://www.theasbur yparkboardwalk. com/
> >
> >
> > From: arcman210 
> > Date: 2008/07/10 Thu PM 12:20:49 EDT
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
> > Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go
> >
> >
> > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "Jack Pitzer"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Wow!
> > > I think the webmaster accidently uploaded the wrong site.
> > > Oops.
> > >
> > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "arcman210"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > www.theasburyparkbo ardwalk.com
> > > >
> > > > it now links to some website for a mexican restaurant in
> > tallahassee
> > > > florida! what happened to it?!?
> > > >
> > > > im just assuming there is some sort of mistake here.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > lets hope it gets resolved soon... i couldnt get enough of it hahaha
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael W. Brim
> > 321 Sunset Ave. 5F
> > Asbury Park NJ 07712
> > Cell: 732-996-8160
> >
> 
> Michael W. Brim
> 321 Sunset Ave. 5F
> Asbury Park NJ 07712
> Cell: 732-996-8160
>






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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go????

[Allan Peterson]

no problems here.  I like how Brady is holding a sign for the wonder bar.  



- Original Message 
From: Michael W. Brim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com; Jack Pitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 1:19:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go


Just tried it on another computer for the fist time and it came up!

From: Jack Pitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com>
Date: 2008/07/10 Thu PM 12:35:38 EDT
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go

Still screwed up. You might be seeing the correct thing loading from your cache.
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "Michael W. Brim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I was able to open the site: http://www.theasbur yparkboardwalk. com/
>
>
> From: arcman210 
> Date: 2008/07/10 Thu PM 12:20:49 EDT
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
> Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go
>
>
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "Jack Pitzer"  wrote:
> >
> > Wow!
> > I think the webmaster accidently uploaded the wrong site.
> > Oops.
> >
> > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "arcman210"  wrote:
> > >
> > > www.theasburyparkbo ardwalk.com
> > >
> > > it now links to some website for a mexican restaurant in
> tallahassee
> > > florida! what happened to it?!?
> > >
> > > im just assuming there is some sort of mistake here.
> > >
> >
>
> lets hope it gets resolved soon... i couldnt get enough of it hahaha
>
>
>
>
> Michael W. Brim
> 321 Sunset Ave. 5F
> Asbury Park NJ 07712
> Cell: 732-996-8160
>

Michael W. Brim
321 Sunset Ave. 5F
Asbury Park NJ 07712
Cell: 732-996-8160
 


  

[AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go????

[arcman210]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This is really weird. I just cleared my cache, and the wrong one is 
still coming up.
> 

i cant get on it yet either




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[AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go????

[Jack Pitzer]

This is really weird. I just cleared my cache, and the wrong one is still 
coming up.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Michael W. Brim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Just tried it on another computer for the fist time and it came up!
> 
> 
> From: Jack Pitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/07/10 Thu PM 12:35:38 EDT
> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go
> 
> 
> Still screwed up. You might be seeing the correct thing loading from your 
> cache.
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Michael W. Brim"  wrote:
> >
> > I was able to open the site: http://www.theasburyparkboardwalk.com/
> >
> >
> > From: arcman210 
> > Date: 2008/07/10 Thu PM 12:20:49 EDT
> > To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go
> >
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Wow!
> > > I think the webmaster accidently uploaded the wrong site.
> > > Oops.
> > >
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > www.theasburyparkboardwalk.com
> > > >
> > > > it now links to some website for a mexican restaurant in
> > tallahassee
> > > > florida! what happened to it?!?
> > > >
> > > > im just assuming there is some sort of mistake here.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > lets hope it gets resolved soon... i couldnt get enough of it hahaha
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael W. Brim
> > 321 Sunset Ave. 5F
> > Asbury Park NJ 07712
> > Cell: 732-996-8160
> >
> 
> 
> 
> Michael W. Brim
> 321 Sunset Ave. 5F
> Asbury Park NJ 07712
> Cell: 732-996-8160
>






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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go????

[Michael W. Brim]

Just tried it on another computer for the fist time and it came up!


From: Jack Pitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2008/07/10 Thu PM 12:35:38 EDT
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go


Still screwed up. You might be seeing the correct thing loading from your cache.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Michael W. Brim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I was able to open the site: http://www.theasburyparkboardwalk.com/
>
>
> From: arcman210 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/07/10 Thu PM 12:20:49 EDT
> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go
>
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer"  wrote:
> >
> > Wow!
> > I think the webmaster accidently uploaded the wrong site.
> > Oops.
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210"  wrote:
> > >
> > > www.theasburyparkboardwalk.com
> > >
> > > it now links to some website for a mexican restaurant in
> tallahassee
> > > florida! what happened to it?!?
> > >
> > > im just assuming there is some sort of mistake here.
> > >
> >
>
> lets hope it gets resolved soon... i couldnt get enough of it hahaha
>
>
>
>
> Michael W. Brim
> 321 Sunset Ave. 5F
> Asbury Park NJ 07712
> Cell: 732-996-8160
>



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Cell: 732-996-8160



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[AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go????

[Jack Pitzer]

Still screwed up. You might be seeing the correct thing loading from your cache.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Michael W. Brim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I was able to open the site: http://www.theasburyparkboardwalk.com/
> 
> 
> From: arcman210 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/07/10 Thu PM 12:20:49 EDT
> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go
> 
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer"  wrote:
> >
> > Wow!
> > I think the webmaster accidently uploaded the wrong site.
> > Oops.
> > 
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210"  wrote:
> > >
> > > www.theasburyparkboardwalk.com
> > > 
> > > it now links to some website for a mexican restaurant in 
> tallahassee 
> > > florida! what happened to it?!?
> > > 
> > > im just assuming there is some sort of mistake here.
> > >
> >
> 
> lets hope it gets resolved soon... i couldnt get enough of it hahaha
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> Michael W. Brim
> 321 Sunset Ave. 5F
> Asbury Park NJ 07712
> Cell: 732-996-8160
>






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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go????

[Michael W. Brim]

I was able to open the site: http://www.theasburyparkboardwalk.com/


From: arcman210 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2008/07/10 Thu PM 12:20:49 EDT
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Wow!
> I think the webmaster accidently uploaded the wrong site.
> Oops.
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210"  wrote:
> >
> > www.theasburyparkboardwalk.com
> > 
> > it now links to some website for a mexican restaurant in 
tallahassee 
> > florida! what happened to it?!?
> > 
> > im just assuming there is some sort of mistake here.
> >
>

lets hope it gets resolved soon... i couldnt get enough of it hahaha





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Cell: 732-996-8160



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[AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go????

[arcman210]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Wow!
> I think the webmaster accidently uploaded the wrong site.
> Oops.
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210"  wrote:
> >
> > www.theasburyparkboardwalk.com
> > 
> > it now links to some website for a mexican restaurant in 
tallahassee 
> > florida! what happened to it?!?
> > 
> > im just assuming there is some sort of mistake here.
> >
>

lets hope it gets resolved soon... i couldnt get enough of it hahaha




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[AsburyPark] Re: Where did the new website go????

[Jack Pitzer]

Wow!
I think the webmaster accidently uploaded the wrong site.
Oops.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> www.theasburyparkboardwalk.com
> 
> it now links to some website for a mexican restaurant in tallahassee 
> florida! what happened to it?!?
> 
> im just assuming there is some sort of mistake here.
>






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[AsburyPark] Where did the new website go????

[arcman210]

www.theasburyparkboardwalk.com

it now links to some website for a mexican restaurant in tallahassee 
florida! what happened to it?!?

im just assuming there is some sort of mistake here.




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[AsburyPark] Fireworks tonight in Asbury Park

[Michael W. Brim]

Opening Weekend Fireworks
at: The 4th Ave Beach

Fireworks extravaganza on the beach!  

Incredible views from anywhere on the Boardwalk!


Date: Thursday, July 10 2008 Time: 9 p.m. Age: All Ages 

Michael W. Brim
321 Sunset Ave. 5F
Asbury Park NJ 07712
Cell: 732-996-8160



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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Virtual tour of parts of Cookman

[denise]

Hello Glenn---nice meeting you
See you on the next visit
Great pictures



- Original Message 
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Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2008 7:20:37 PM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Virtual tour of parts of Cookman


Wow Denise, Great find!

Thanks,

Glenn

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, denise  wrote:
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> Is this new --The Chamber of Commerce Virtual tour of parts of cookman
> 
http://tours. virtualaccesstou rs.com/public/ vtour/display/ 1915/slideshow
>

 


  

[AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions

[fancypaaantz]

I do not think everyone is on the same page. When I read through this 
string I became very confused. I suggest as a starting point that you 
run a Google search on what AP looked like in 2002, a Ghost town. 
http://www.ghosttowns.com/states/nj/asburypark.html Rotting 
buildings, no one on the street, or board walk for that matter... 

Then, the BW itself was rebuilt, I think in 2003. I bought a house 
here in 2004, and the BW area was still pretty much dead, but Cookman 
had some new cool stuff. It was around that time that the entire city 
went under construction. New shops on Cookman, new restaurants, First 
Nights started... Buidings all around Asbury were purchased, 
renovated, turned into condos. Not just the big ones with the hype, 
all over the place and it is still happening. Our condo inventory is 
insane. Even before that time, people had moved in and renovated the 
beautiful old homes all over the city. Now it is hard to find a house 
on the East side of Main that HASN'T been renovated. There are still 
a couple, but not many. 

Then Asbury Partners started putting some paint on the buildings on 
BW and some shops came to the BW. Then the Tiki Bar. More and more 
people started coming to AP, but these were minor fixes (on the BW, 
no major changes, except teh demo of part of teh Casino and the C8 
structure). Then, the North Beach condos and Wesley Lake condos came 
in (these are just about done). There was suppose to be the Esperanza 
project (that is the steel structure that you see on Ocean) but 
construction has ceased at this time. Then Madison Marquette came in 
last winter and took over Wesley Grove, and vowed to redo the BW, and 
do it right. What you see now on the BW is the renovation of the 
pavillions, which were already there by MM. MM is also renovating the 
Casino and Convention Hall- these are historic buildings. 

So when people talk about last 6 months, they are referring to the BW 
pavillions and the two historic buildings (and the recent demolition 
of some buildings in the redevelopment zone). If you talk about 6 
years, you have to look at the whole city, which has changed in a 
HUGE way. If you sun searches, look at pics, read old articles, you 
can start putting the story together of our changing city.




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[AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions

[arcman210]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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> They are not modern, they are cheap. Thats the "new" trend in 
todays 
> architecture sometimes refered to as placeless design or cartoon 
> architecture.
> 
> Basics like massing, details and color are mismatched or out of 
> scale. Certainly you have seen the trend in suburban malls and 
> housing developments.
> 
> For example the one in the middle of the beach with the blue ends, 
> large windowless walls of a solid color. Or the really cool one by 
> the convention center, its obvious it was a really unique building, 
> Ive seen postcards of it.
> 
> I guess I expected well designed, attractive buldings when I 
visited 
> based on all the media hype.
> 
> You mention brick buildings, brick has texture, creates shadow 
> lines, has variations in color - a much better look thats 
> traditional and interesting.
> 
> 

You make fair points... however its important to note that the 
buildings are not complete yet.  There is still much work to be done 
in terms of canopys, awnings, trims, railings, doors, signage, and 
other details.




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[AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions

[New Beetoap]

They are not modern, they are cheap. Thats the "new" trend in todays 
architecture sometimes refered to as placeless design or cartoon 
architecture.

Basics like massing, details and color are mismatched or out of 
scale. Certainly you have seen the trend in suburban malls and 
housing developments.

For example the one in the middle of the beach with the blue ends, 
large windowless walls of a solid color. Or the really cool one by 
the convention center, its obvious it was a really unique building, 
Ive seen postcards of it.

I guess I expected well designed, attractive buldings when I visited 
based on all the media hype.

You mention brick buildings, brick has texture, creates shadow 
lines, has variations in color - a much better look thats 
traditional and interesting.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> "
> Reminds me of all the classic strip malls I see getting the fake 
> 
> victorian make overs. Not to mention the new strip malls. 
Everything 
> 
> looks the same and fake."
> 
>     What?  How do you think they all look the same?  All the 
buildings are the same style, modern.  But, I don't know if it's a 
true statement to say that anything else you see around looks like 
them?  Use some of the previous plain yellow brick buildings as 
examples.  How were they unique?  The same style buildings can be 
found in near by Spring Lake.
>





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[AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions

[New Beetoap]

Once again Im not certain what you mean, what does available space 
have to do with quality architecture?

The space available can be well designed buildings or not. Its still 
the same space. I'm refering to the buildings, but those containers 
are not attractive either.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap"  
wrote:
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> > 
> > I read a lot about striving for great architechture in that 
local 
> > paper - the TriCities. Didn't anyone care about it?
> > 
> > 
> >
> 
> There is only so much space on the boards themselves to build. 
They 
> have to maximize every inch of that space. That's why you have 
the "pop-
> up" retail - the converted storage units. What gets developed west 
of 
> ocean ave could be unique. 
> 
> Time will tell - might be 1, 5 or 10 years...
>





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